On 1/30/03 at 3:31 PM, eableson at mac.com (Erik Ableson) did send into the ether: > Hotmail's just my spam-trap for the most part and so that I can use MSN > Messenger (I prefer iChat, but not everyone I know has an AIM account). If you want MSN Messenger access, just use Fire. <http://fire.sourceforge.net/> I have a couple of Windoze friends who use nothing but MSNM, so I use Fire to communicate with them, staying M$-application free. Otherwise, it's iChat all the way. Fire's also good for AIM, ICQ, IRC, Jabber, and Yahoo! Messenger. chris ------ The Bureau of Incomplete Statistics reports that one out of three.