You didn't mention: have you used Onyx or Cocktail or some other utility to repair permissions before and after each upgrade? Regards, Erik Ness -- ########################### Erik Ness <erikness at tds.net> 608-242-7604 Stuck in Reverse: http://www.nrdc.org/onearth/05win/detroit1.asp Moving Mountains: http://www.uwalumni.com/onwisconsin/2004_winter/mountains.html