From franc-b at shaw.ca Tue Jan 2 22:36:09 2007 From: franc-b at shaw.ca (Francois) Date: Tue Jan 2 22:36:06 2007 Subject: [Cube] RAM questions part deux. References: <9027A970-42B7-4B25-807D-59C467727D39@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <7464A554-3E67-425F-81D5-50E7389C5958@shaw.ca> > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:02:57 -0500 > From: "Andrew Strouse" > Subject: [Cube] Total Cube Newbie! > To: > Message-ID: <02f901c7257e$11195b90$669b9b9b@inspiron> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all. I found a mac g4 cube sitting by the side of the road (in > the trash). I have been out of the "mac loop" for 10-15 years (my > last mac was a mac classic) but it looked so pathetic sitting there > so I picked it up. When I got it home I plugged my usb keyboard > and usb mouse in and my vga display. Then I touched the power > button and the little bugger roared to life. Then it just sat > there with a big gray apple on a white screen with a little > swirling pinwheel thing. When I googled this, it said to reboot > with command-v to get to the boot messages and it stops dead after > it says: > > /etc/rc: line 283: 147 Hangup SystemStarter -gr $ > {VerboseFlag} ${SafeBoot} > > So, my question is what does this mean and how can I fix it? I > don't have any disks or manuals, etc. Should I go out and buy OS X > and reinstall? Is there something simple I can try first? > > Thanks in advance for any help you can provide! > > Andrew Strouse > ( kittstr@kittstr.com ) Any news on your Cube? Francois RAM question: i recently inherited RAM from a graphite iMac, it works in my cube, and i notice in the system profiler, that the new ram is 133 mhz, and my old ram is 100 mhz! will this cause problems or will my amazingly genius operating system be able to handle that? im guessing if possible all my ram is running at 100 mhz. here's the text form the system profiler. DIMMB/J7: Size: 512 MB Type: SDRAM Speed: PC133-333 Status: OK DIMMC/J8: Size: 256 MB Type: SDRAM Speed: PC100-222S Status: OK DIMMD/J9: Size: 512 MB Type: SDRAM Speed: PC133-333 Status: OK Thanks everyone Happy new year! Francois From riba at ml1.net Thu Jan 4 15:47:44 2007 From: riba at ml1.net (Riba) Date: Thu Jan 4 15:48:02 2007 Subject: [Cube] RAM questions part deux. In-Reply-To: <7464A554-3E67-425F-81D5-50E7389C5958@shaw.ca> References: <9027A970-42B7-4B25-807D-59C467727D39@shaw.ca> <7464A554-3E67-425F-81D5-50E7389C5958@shaw.ca> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2007, at 7:36, Francois wrote: > RAM question: i recently inherited RAM from a graphite iMac, it > works in my cube, and i notice in the system profiler, that the new > ram is 133 mhz, and my old ram is 100 mhz! will this cause problems > or will my amazingly genius operating system be able to handle > that? im guessing if possible all my ram is running at 100 mhz. > here's the text form the system profiler. Don't worry, you are right, PC133 RAM should work as PC100 on 100 MHz bus...as you can see. On the unrelated note I have finally moved my cube to my new apartment, set up the desk and hooked up my new 23" diplay. I am once again amazed at the beauty of this thing. :) In the process I even managed to reduce the cable clutter... From kr-johnson at comcast.net Thu Jan 11 20:18:33 2007 From: kr-johnson at comcast.net (Ken Johnson) Date: Thu Jan 11 20:18:51 2007 Subject: [Cube] Need a USB 2.0 interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74CBF9F9-AC7F-49A8-BE7B-58BDCFF9AFFC@comcast.net> I have been using a scsi scanner, via a USB/SCSI converter/adapter. But now I have a USB 2 scanner. Yes, it does work on USB 1.1 in the Cube, but would be more tolerable via USB 2.0. So, my question...... Is there a device that will allow USB 2.0 in a Cube? I'm hoping there might be an adapter to convert USB to firewire such that I can use the firewire port on the Cube, and connect to USB 2.0 on the scanner. Thanks in advance for any ideas.... Ken From raub at afn.org Thu Jan 11 22:21:06 2007 From: raub at afn.org (Mauricio Tavares) Date: Thu Jan 11 22:21:00 2007 Subject: [Cube] Cube dvd player does not like the cube. IDE jumper setting problem? Message-ID: <45A728D2.6080107@afn.org> I have a bit of a problem. My cube has a matsushita dvd player in it. Machine seems to recognize it is there (under About This Mac->More Info) but if I put a cd in it, it will spit it out. However, if I take the drive out of the cube and connect (using a IDE->USB cable) it to a XP box (my Dell laptop) of all things, it works fine and the Windows box has no problem seeing a disk it would recognize in its own DVD drive. What am I missing here? From riba at ml1.net Fri Jan 12 00:33:53 2007 From: riba at ml1.net (Riba) Date: Fri Jan 12 00:38:24 2007 Subject: [Cube] Need a USB 2.0 interface In-Reply-To: <74CBF9F9-AC7F-49A8-BE7B-58BDCFF9AFFC@comcast.net> References: <74CBF9F9-AC7F-49A8-BE7B-58BDCFF9AFFC@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1168590833.17911.1168897781@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:18:33 -0500, "Ken Johnson" said: > I have been using a scsi scanner, via a USB/SCSI converter/adapter. > But now I have a USB 2 scanner. Yes, it does work on USB 1.1 in the > Cube, but would be more tolerable via USB 2.0. So, my question...... > > Is there a device that will allow USB 2.0 in a Cube? I'm hoping > there might be an adapter to convert USB to firewire such that I can > use the firewire port on the Cube, and connect to USB 2.0 on the > scanner. Unfortunately, there are no working USB 2.0 solutions for Cube that I know of. :( From jdeamara at hotmail.com Fri Jan 12 07:01:45 2007 From: jdeamara at hotmail.com (James Deamara) Date: Fri Jan 12 07:01:56 2007 Subject: [Cube] Need a USB 2.0 interface In-Reply-To: <74CBF9F9-AC7F-49A8-BE7B-58BDCFF9AFFC@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi. You might want to try something like the D-Link 4-port USB, 3-port firewire, combo hub which can be connected to your computer via firewire or usb and provides ports for both. James. From: Ken Johnson Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's Cube." To: "A place to discuss Apple's Cube." Subject: [Cube] Need a USB 2.0 interface Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:18:33 -0500 I have been using a scsi scanner, via a USB/SCSI converter/adapter. But now I have a USB 2 scanner. Yes, it does work on USB 1.1 in the Cube, but would be more tolerable via USB 2.0. So, my question...... Is there a device that will allow USB 2.0 in a Cube? I'm hoping there might be an adapter to convert USB to firewire such that I can use the firewire port on the Cube, and connect to USB 2.0 on the scanner. Thanks in advance for any ideas.... Ken _______________________________________________ Cube mailing list Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From sethwm2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 07:07:58 2007 From: sethwm2 at gmail.com (Seth Maynard) Date: Fri Jan 12 07:08:44 2007 Subject: [Cube] Cube dvd player does not like the cube. IDE jumper setting problem? In-Reply-To: <45A728D2.6080107@afn.org> References: <45A728D2.6080107@afn.org> Message-ID: Could it be that something is wrong with the ribbon that goes from the board to the cd drive. Also I forgot if the CD drive is on the same bus as the Hard drive?? Try running new ribbons On 1/12/07, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > > I have a bit of a problem. My cube has a matsushita dvd player in > it. > Machine seems to recognize it is there (under About This Mac->More Info) > but if I put a cd in it, it will spit it out. However, if I take the > drive out of the cube and connect (using a IDE->USB cable) it to a XP > box (my Dell laptop) of all things, it works fine and the Windows box > has no problem seeing a disk it would recognize in its own DVD drive. > What am I missing here? > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/cube/attachments/20070112/908f44ab/attachment-0001.html From raub at afn.org Fri Jan 12 10:26:13 2007 From: raub at afn.org (Mauricio Tavares) Date: Fri Jan 12 10:26:07 2007 Subject: [Cube] Cube dvd player does not like the cube. IDE jumper setting problem? In-Reply-To: References: <45A728D2.6080107@afn.org> Message-ID: <45A7D2C5.3020402@afn.org> Seth Maynard wrote: > Could it be that something is wrong with the ribbon that goes from the > board to the cd drive. Also I forgot if the CD drive is on the same bus > as the Hard drive?? Try running new ribbons > AFAIK, both the CD and the HD are in the same bus as they are in the same ribbon. One thing I have done was to configure the Seagate 120GB HD to be master in a 2 disk setup, so I do not know if that will cause an issue. Also, can I fit a normal IDE cable in the cube or it needs a special one with a special lenght/whatever? > On 1/12/07, *Mauricio Tavares* > wrote: > > I have a bit of a problem. My cube has a matsushita dvd > player in it. > Machine seems to recognize it is there (under About This Mac->More Info) > but if I put a cd in it, it will spit it out. However, if I take the > drive out of the cube and connect (using a IDE->USB cable) it to a XP > box (my Dell laptop) of all things, it works fine and the Windows box > has no problem seeing a disk it would recognize in its own DVD drive. > What am I missing here? > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > From thejunkmonger at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 11:44:06 2007 From: thejunkmonger at gmail.com (Richard Clark) Date: Fri Jan 12 11:44:18 2007 Subject: [Cube] Cube dvd player does not like the cube. IDE jumper setting problem? In-Reply-To: <45A7D2C5.3020402@afn.org> References: <45A728D2.6080107@afn.org> <45A7D2C5.3020402@afn.org> Message-ID: <51E550C8-1F9F-4469-9CF7-EDAA10E3B0D2@gmail.com> Is it a dvd writer? set the dvd to master and the hard drive to slave. On Jan 12, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > AFAIK, both the CD and the HD are in the same bus as they are in > the same ribbon. One thing I have done was to configure the Seagate > 120GB HD to be master in a 2 disk setup, so I do not know if that > will cause an issue. Also, can I fit a normal IDE cable in the > cube or it needs a special one with a special lenght/whatever? From kr-johnson at comcast.net Fri Jan 12 13:27:41 2007 From: kr-johnson at comcast.net (Ken Johnson) Date: Fri Jan 12 13:27:48 2007 Subject: [Cube] Need a USB 2.0 interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, but I can run SCSI, just at a ridiculous slow speed via a USB/ SCSI adapter. But that's what I'm trying to get away from.... Ken On Jan 12, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Luis Meleiro wrote: > riba's right... no PCI slots, so no USB2, no ATA133, no SATA, no > FW800, no SCSI, etc. > > LM > From jdeamara at hotmail.com Mon Jan 15 09:35:30 2007 From: jdeamara at hotmail.com (James Deamara) Date: Mon Jan 15 09:36:21 2007 Subject: [Cube] CD stuck in cube Message-ID: Hi all. If anyone's interested, replacing the internal cd-rom drive in the cube wasn't as hard as I first thought. I decided to replace it with a slot loading slim DVD-ROM/CD-R/RW combo drive. The biggest headache was mounting the drive and insuring that it's slot was aligned properly with the slot at the top of the inner cube cage. I had some small scrap sheets of aluminum which I fashioned into a pair of flexible brackets. It's definitely worth the effort, no more frustration with stuck disks...for now anyway. :) Complete newbie's might want to pass on this option though. You'll need a slot loading slim profile (laptop) drive, I used a panasonic drive (UJ-85J-B) but you may want to get one with apple firmware (DVR-K05PD). If you use a non firmware drive you'll also need to use patchburn or some other utility to create a hardware profile in order to burn disks. You'll need a slim CD-ROM to IDE adapter and a molex power supply converter/extension cable (converts a 5 1/4" power supply cable to 3 1/2"). As mentioned you will also need a way of mounting the drive. And don't forget to change you hd setting to slave! :) James. _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 From raub at afn.org Mon Jan 15 09:38:15 2007 From: raub at afn.org (Mauricio Tavares) Date: Mon Jan 15 09:38:25 2007 Subject: [Cube] CD stuck in cube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45ABBC07.9000305@afn.org> James Deamara wrote: > Hi all. > > If anyone's interested, replacing the internal cd-rom drive in the > cube wasn't as hard as I first thought. I decided to replace it with a > slot loading slim DVD-ROM/CD-R/RW combo drive. The biggest headache was > mounting the drive and insuring that it's slot was aligned properly with > the slot at the top of the inner cube cage. I had some small scrap > sheets of aluminum which I fashioned into a pair of flexible brackets. > It's definitely worth the effort, no more frustration with stuck > disks...for now anyway. :) Complete newbie's might want to pass on this > option though. > > You'll need a slot loading slim profile (laptop) drive, I used a > panasonic drive (UJ-85J-B) but you may want to get one with apple > firmware (DVR-K05PD). If you use a non firmware drive you'll also need > to use patchburn or some other utility to create a hardware profile in > order to burn disks. You'll need a slim CD-ROM to IDE adapter and a > molex power supply converter/extension cable (converts a 5 1/4" power > supply cable to 3 1/2"). As mentioned you will also need a way of > mounting the drive. > > And don't forget to change you hd setting to slave! :) > Oh, the HD is supposed to be slave (CD is master)? That might answer a few questions I have... > James. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page > www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From luis_meleiro at cilsp.com Mon Jan 15 09:44:02 2007 From: luis_meleiro at cilsp.com (Luis Meleiro) Date: Mon Jan 15 09:44:55 2007 Subject: [Cube] CD stuck in cube Message-ID: Yes. Most DVD (super/combo)drives come with their jumper settings to master as default. It's not a problem as you can change your HD to slave but don't forget you'll lose the ability to put your Cube in Target Disk Mode. LM >>>raub@afn.org 01/15/07 5:38 pm >>> > Oh, the HD is supposed to be slave (CD is master)? That might answer a > few questions I have... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/cube/attachments/20070115/5ddfd74c/attachment.html From raub at afn.org Mon Jan 15 09:49:51 2007 From: raub at afn.org (Mauricio Tavares) Date: Mon Jan 15 09:50:03 2007 Subject: [Cube] CD stuck in cube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45ABBEBF.7090600@afn.org> Luis Meleiro wrote: > > Yes. Most DVD (super/combo)drives come with their jumper settings to > "master" as default. It's not a problem as you can change your HD to > "slave" but don't forget you'll lose the ability to put your Cube in > Target Disk Mode. > > LM > Now, what about the dvd reader that is currently in my cube? Does it want to be master or slave by default? I am curious because I am here wondering if this is the reason why my cube can see the drive but will not read and cd mounted in it or boot from it. > >>>raub@afn.org 01/15/07 5:38 pm >>> > > Oh, the HD is supposed to be slave (CD is master)? That might answer a > > few questions I have... > From luis_meleiro at cilsp.com Mon Jan 15 09:54:22 2007 From: luis_meleiro at cilsp.com (Luis Meleiro) Date: Mon Jan 15 09:54:50 2007 Subject: [Cube] CD stuck in cube Message-ID: If your DVD drive is the one that originaly came with the Cube 450MHz, it is set to slave and the HD is set to master. I suppose that it should not be the reason you're not seing data when you insert a CD/DVD. That could be because of the speed used to record the data... just guessing here. LM >>>raub@afn.org 01/15/07 5:49 pm >>> Now, what about the dvd reader that is currently in my cube? Does it want to be master or slave by default? I am curious because I am here wondering if this is the reason why my cube can see the drive but will not read and cd mounted in it or boot from it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/cube/attachments/20070115/c9b083cb/attachment.html From luis_meleiro at cilsp.com Mon Jan 15 09:55:05 2007 From: luis_meleiro at cilsp.com (Luis Meleiro) Date: Mon Jan 15 09:55:17 2007 Subject: [Cube] CD stuck in cube Message-ID: If your DVD drive is the one that originaly came with the Cube 450MHz, it is set to slave and the HD is set to master. I suppose that it should not be the reason you're not seing data when you insert a CD/DVD. That could be because of the speed used to record the data... just guessing here. LM >>>raub@afn.org 01/15/07 5:49 pm >>> Now, what about the dvd reader that is currently in my cube? Does it want to be master or slave by default? I am curious because I am here wondering if this is the reason why my cube can see the drive but will not read and cd mounted in it or boot from it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/cube/attachments/20070115/3e9483b6/attachment.html From thejunkmonger at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 10:23:15 2007 From: thejunkmonger at gmail.com (Richard Clark) Date: Mon Jan 15 10:23:30 2007 Subject: [Cube] CD stuck in cube In-Reply-To: <45ABBEBF.7090600@afn.org> References: <45ABBEBF.7090600@afn.org> Message-ID: <09A376D0-813F-43DE-93FA-1CAFB9D28EF0@gmail.com> The original cube dvd drive was set as slave as far as I know Drives that people put in afterwards for example dvd writers where mostly set as master On Jan 15, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > Now, what about the dvd reader that is currently in my cube? Does > it want to be master or slave by default? I am curious because I > am here wondering if this is the reason why my cube can see the > drive but will not read and cd mounted in it or boot from it. From atoa at krak.net Mon Jan 15 10:47:22 2007 From: atoa at krak.net (atoa) Date: Mon Jan 15 10:47:33 2007 Subject: [Cube] CD stuck in cube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Luis Meleiro wrote: > If your DVD drive is the one that originaly came with the Cube 450MHz, > it is set to slave and the HD is set to master. > I suppose that it should not be the reason you're not seing data when > you insert a CD/DVD. That could be because of the speed used to record > the data... just guessing here. If your guess is true, then everything I thought I knew about cd/dvd technology is wrong. > > LM > >>>> raub@afn.org 01/15/07 5:49 pm >>> > Now, what about the dvd reader that is currently in my cube? Does it > want to be master or slave by default? I am curious because I am here > wondering if this is the reason why my cube can see the drive but will > not read and cd mounted in it or boot from it. > > From andrewaa at comcast.net Mon Jan 15 10:53:15 2007 From: andrewaa at comcast.net (Andrew) Date: Mon Jan 15 10:53:23 2007 Subject: [Cube] Re: Need a USB 2.0 interface now SCSI options In-Reply-To: <20070115182336.3F22C79095C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070115182336.3F22C79095C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: > Ah, but I can run SCSI, just at a ridiculous slow speed via a USB/ > SCSI adapter. But that's what I'm trying to get away from.... I'd like more details on the slow SCSI connection. I occasionally need to connect to old powerbooks and wouldn't mind a SCSI option so I could put the powerbook into target disk mode and plug it into the Cube's USB port. I tried a Belkin USB to SCSI adapter but It didn't work in OS 10.3 and I'm not sure I want to re-configure the Cube to boot to OS9 just in case I need to connect to an old powerbook. Does your slow SCSI adapter work in OSX? Andrew in Ann Arbor technology is the answer, what was the question? From nebdave at mac.com Mon Jan 15 12:13:45 2007 From: nebdave at mac.com (Dave Iverson) Date: Mon Jan 15 12:13:53 2007 Subject: [Cube] Virtual PC & RAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21BACF25-0110-1000-D69B-00EB70ED1D82-Webmail-10013@mac.com> Does anyone know if Virtual PC was written to utilize dual processing technology? Does anyone have any experience with Virtual PC on a Cube with a stock processor and/or an upgraded version? Is there any known advantage to trying putting RAM into the Cube homogeneously, i.e., purchased from the same vendor at or around the same time or is it just a matter of having working RAM? At a minimum, there are probably some aesthetics reasons to try to purchase RAM in the same increment(s), at the same time, from the same vendor. I know in certain audio/video operations there are reports of problems if you do otherwise. Thanks, Dave Iverson From kelawrence at verizon.net Mon Jan 15 12:28:18 2007 From: kelawrence at verizon.net (Kathleen Lawrence) Date: Mon Jan 15 12:28:38 2007 Subject: [Cube] Virtual PC & RAM In-Reply-To: <21BACF25-0110-1000-D69B-00EB70ED1D82-Webmail-10013@mac.com> References: <21BACF25-0110-1000-D69B-00EB70ED1D82-Webmail-10013@mac.com> Message-ID: <90c64049b1f2f40dbe3a6a42d362030c@verizon.net> On Jan 15, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Dave Iverson wrote: > Does anyone know if Virtual PC was written to utilize dual processing > technology? > I'm jealous; a dual Cube! Try these folks; cubeowner.com k From kr-johnson at comcast.net Mon Jan 15 13:09:52 2007 From: kr-johnson at comcast.net (Ken Johnson) Date: Mon Jan 15 13:09:57 2007 Subject: [Cube] Re: Need a USB 2.0 interface now SCSI options In-Reply-To: References: <20070115182336.3F22C79095C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <52952411-01ED-448C-9DE9-CF85EBC72066@comcast.net> I use the Microtech USB-SCSI adapter and it works in 10.3 and 10.4 just fine without a driver. VuScan finds the SCSI scanner and operated it OK, too. Since I don't need it any more (because I switched to a USB scanner), I'll be putting it up on eBay for sale. Ken On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Andrew wrote: >> Ah, but I can run SCSI, just at a ridiculous slow speed via a USB/ >> SCSI adapter. But that's what I'm trying to get away from.... > > I'd like more details on the slow SCSI connection. > I occasionally need to connect to old powerbooks and wouldn't mind > a SCSI option so I could put the powerbook into target disk mode > and plug it into the Cube's USB port. > I tried a Belkin USB to SCSI adapter but It didn't work in OS 10.3 > and I'm not sure I want to re-configure the Cube to boot to OS9 > just in case I need to connect to an old powerbook. > Does your slow SCSI adapter work in OSX? > > Andrew in Ann Arbor > technology is the answer, what was the question? > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From wlwatson at comcast.net Mon Jan 15 15:08:27 2007 From: wlwatson at comcast.net (William Watson) Date: Mon Jan 15 15:08:56 2007 Subject: [Cube] PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM MAILING LIST In-Reply-To: <52952411-01ED-448C-9DE9-CF85EBC72066@comcast.net> References: <20070115182336.3F22C79095C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <52952411-01ED-448C-9DE9-CF85EBC72066@comcast.net> Message-ID: From petterflink at mac.com Mon Jan 15 15:17:59 2007 From: petterflink at mac.com (petter flink) Date: Mon Jan 15 15:18:49 2007 Subject: [Cube] PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM MAILING LIST In-Reply-To: References: <20070115182336.3F22C79095C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <52952411-01ED-448C-9DE9-CF85EBC72066@comcast.net> Message-ID: HAVE YOU TRIED CLICKING THE INCLUDED LINK, instead of shouting out loud? ;) 16 jan 2007 kl. 00.08 skrev William Watson: > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube From luis_meleiro at cilsp.com Mon Jan 15 15:44:59 2007 From: luis_meleiro at cilsp.com (Luis Meleiro) Date: Mon Jan 15 15:45:32 2007 Subject: [Cube] CD stuck in cube Message-ID: I just stopped guessing. Now I'n wondering instead... please would you mind to explain what exactly are you trying to tell us!? Thank you in advance, LM >>> atoa@krak.net 01/15/07 6:47 PM >>> If your guess is true, then everything I thought I knew about cd/dvd technology is wrong. From wlwatson at comcast.net Mon Jan 15 15:49:18 2007 From: wlwatson at comcast.net (William Watson) Date: Mon Jan 15 15:49:59 2007 Subject: [Cube] PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM MAILING LIST In-Reply-To: References: <20070115182336.3F22C79095C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <52952411-01ED-448C-9DE9-CF85EBC72066@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yes I tried that a couple of times, and no dice. Cubes are great, but I had to give mine away, so there is no need for me to be on a mailing list. Sorry to shout it out loud, but I do enjoy KISS from time to time... On Jan 15, 2007, at 6:17 PM, petter flink wrote: > HAVE YOU TRIED CLICKING THE INCLUDED LINK, instead of shouting out > loud? ;) > > > 16 jan 2007 kl. 00.08 skrev William Watson: > >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From riba at ml1.net Tue Jan 16 01:24:07 2007 From: riba at ml1.net (Riba) Date: Tue Jan 16 01:24:22 2007 Subject: [Cube] PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM MAILING LIST In-Reply-To: References: <20070115182336.3F22C79095C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <52952411-01ED-448C-9DE9-CF85EBC72066@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1168939447.10244.1169470083@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:08:27 -0500, "William Watson" said: > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 I just love these messages. From andrewaa at comcast.net Tue Jan 16 10:27:28 2007 From: andrewaa at comcast.net (Andrew) Date: Tue Jan 16 10:27:38 2007 Subject: [Cube] USB 2.0 options? Macally HUB-UF Message-ID: <9c47f15e81c5f2087b2fa7eb9cd5fe5d@comcast.net> I just came across this Macally USB/Firewire hub (part number HUB-UF) "This ice white USB2.0 and FireWire Combo hub is designed for users who would like to connect both USB 2.0 (OSX) / USB 1.1 (OS9.x) and FireWire devices easily to their computer." It says that it will work with "Any desktop or notebook computer with an available USB port and FireWire port" I'm guessing that it passes through the USB and firewire rather than being a firewire to USB 2.0 converter but I'd love to be wrong. Has anyone played with one of these? Andrew in Ann Arbor technology is the answer, what was the question? From chris.weiss at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 10:52:34 2007 From: chris.weiss at gmail.com (Chris Weiss) Date: Tue Jan 16 10:52:48 2007 Subject: [Cube] USB 2.0 options? Macally HUB-UF In-Reply-To: <9c47f15e81c5f2087b2fa7eb9cd5fe5d@comcast.net> References: <9c47f15e81c5f2087b2fa7eb9cd5fe5d@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 1/16/07, Andrew wrote: > I just came across this Macally USB/Firewire hub (part number HUB-UF) > > > "This ice white USB2.0 and FireWire Combo hub is designed for users who > would like to connect both USB 2.0 (OSX) / USB 1.1 (OS9.x) and FireWire > devices easily to their computer." > > It says that it will work with > "Any desktop or notebook computer with an available USB port and > FireWire port" > > I'm guessing that it passes through the USB and firewire rather than > being a firewire to USB 2.0 converter but I'd love to be wrong. > > Has anyone played with one of these? > I had one of those and smoked it when I tried plugging in my iPod, USB mouse, and external hard disk. FWIW - USB needs "smarts" on the computer side of it to figure out just what you're plugging in and how to talk to it. To convert USB to something else (say, Firewire), you'd pretty much need an entire computer in the middle with a library of drivers to support all the USB devices you might plug in. I, too, was on a quest to get USB 2.0 (for a USB 802.11g adapter) and eventually gave up and went with a network cable instead. -- -Chris From andrewaa at comcast.net Tue Jan 16 11:24:46 2007 From: andrewaa at comcast.net (Andrew) Date: Tue Jan 16 11:24:51 2007 Subject: [Cube] Re: Need a USB 2.0 interface now SCSI options In-Reply-To: <20070116185253.B0DE379DB8A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070116185253.B0DE379DB8A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2007, at 13:52, cube-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > I use the Microtech USB-SCSI adapter and it works in 10.3 and 10.4 > just fine without a driver. VuScan finds the SCSI scanner and > operated it OK, too. Thanks for the reply, I'll keep an eye out for the Microtech unit. I tried a Belkin F5U015 USB-SCSI adapter and couldn't get it to work in OSX or Classic under OSX. Andrew in Ann Arbor technology is the answer, what was the question? From dan_oetting at qwest.net Tue Jan 16 21:35:43 2007 From: dan_oetting at qwest.net (Dan Oetting) Date: Tue Jan 16 21:35:56 2007 Subject: [Cube] Re: Need a USB 2.0 interface now SCSI options In-Reply-To: References: <20070116185253.B0DE379DB8A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <28B81077-2D41-46BF-B503-FADCE3EB67C1@qwest.net> On Jan 16, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Andrew wrote: > On Jan 16, 2007, at 13:52, cube- > request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: >> I use the Microtech USB-SCSI adapter and it works in 10.3 and 10.4 >> just fine without a driver. VuScan finds the SCSI scanner and >> operated it OK, too. > > Thanks for the reply, I'll keep an eye out for the Microtech unit. > I tried a Belkin F5U015 USB-SCSI adapter and couldn't get it to > work in OSX or Classic under OSX. I've been using an FR1SX Firewire to SCSI bridge for some time to erase data on various old drives. (actually had 2 but managed to fritz one) My only complaints are that it doesn't handle S.M.A.R.T. diagnostic data and only supports 1 drive at a time (no LUNs or SCSI chains). -- Dan O. From franc-b at shaw.ca Tue Jan 23 00:22:36 2007 From: franc-b at shaw.ca (Francois) Date: Tue Jan 23 00:28:28 2007 Subject: [Cube] OT: Powerbook problems In-Reply-To: <20070116185253.9E4B779DB89@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070116185253.9E4B779DB89@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <2B6DAAA7-5D70-4936-BCEA-661B5AF21B4C@shaw.ca> Hey guys, I know this is way off topic (OT) but this list is so knowledgeable, I thought it couldn't hurt. So I bought a Powerbook 667 from ebay, knowing it had some problem... here's the problem. Book works fine until you move it. then it freezes. Seller says he recently replaced HD. I haven't recieved the book yet, so thats basically all the info I have. Also on a side note, once apon a time I lent my airport card to a friend who had a iBook, then he sold it and I never got the darn card back! just wondering if anyone has one that is not being used? loan on good will or buy from you! -Francois From kr-johnson at comcast.net Tue Jan 23 05:25:08 2007 From: kr-johnson at comcast.net (Ken Johnson) Date: Tue Jan 23 05:25:17 2007 Subject: [Cube] OT: Powerbook problems In-Reply-To: <2B6DAAA7-5D70-4936-BCEA-661B5AF21B4C@shaw.ca> References: <20070116185253.9E4B779DB89@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <2B6DAAA7-5D70-4936-BCEA-661B5AF21B4C@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Airport cards are routinely available on eBay. Good luck with the powerbook, you may need a trip to the Apple store. Ken On Jan 23, 2007, at 3:22 AM, Francois wrote: > Also on a side note, once apon a time I lent my airport card to a > friend who had a iBook, then he sold it and I never got the darn > card back! just wondering if anyone has one that is not being used? > loan on good will or buy from you! From judy at smither.co.uk Tue Jan 23 06:32:04 2007 From: judy at smither.co.uk (Judy Smither) Date: Tue Jan 23 06:33:06 2007 Subject: [Cube] OT: Powerbook problems In-Reply-To: <2B6DAAA7-5D70-4936-BCEA-661B5AF21B4C@shaw.ca> References: <20070116185253.9E4B779DB89@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <2B6DAAA7-5D70-4936-BCEA-661B5AF21B4C@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <0CE15E31-EDAD-44D5-A427-85614D753DA5@smither.co.uk> Have you come across Power-Line ethernet which uses the neutral core of a power ring main as an ethernet cable? I have used this for houses where the wireless signal is badly affected by distance from the router or by obstructions, and get great network access. Judy On 23 Jan 2007, at 08:22, Francois wrote: > > > Also on a side note, once apon a time I lent my airport card to a > friend who had a iBook, then he sold it and I never got the darn > card back! just wondering if anyone has one that is not being used? > loan on good will or buy from you! > > -Francois > > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > Judy Smither judy@smither.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/cube/attachments/20070123/921c7d58/attachment.html From jwgeorgen at mac.com Thu Jan 25 12:48:12 2007 From: jwgeorgen at mac.com (Jan Georgen) Date: Thu Jan 25 12:48:49 2007 Subject: [Cube] Griffin iMic + Cube? Message-ID: <2B44E340-DEFD-4996-B084-1E4FD8F4A599@mac.com> I have a Kensington iPod dock that I am trying to hook up to my Cube via iMic. I can go to the Sound preference panel, select the iMic as the input and see the levels moving on the input bar. I cannot, however, get sound to come out. I have the Harmon Kardon USB speakers + a USB Subwoofer running but nothing with the iMic selected as input. Is this possible? Thanks Jan Georgen From sethwm2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 13:00:15 2007 From: sethwm2 at gmail.com (Seth Maynard) Date: Thu Jan 25 13:00:24 2007 Subject: [Cube] Griffin iMic + Cube? In-Reply-To: <2B44E340-DEFD-4996-B084-1E4FD8F4A599@mac.com> References: <2B44E340-DEFD-4996-B084-1E4FD8F4A599@mac.com> Message-ID: You have to have a program that you are going to be recording on such as garage band or audacity. The sound is not going to just come out just because you selected it as the input device. Yahoo, MSN, iChat, AIM etc will use the mic when talking with someone online On 1/25/07, Jan Georgen wrote: > I have a Kensington iPod dock that I am trying to hook up to my Cube > via iMic. I can go to the Sound preference panel, select the iMic as > the input and see the levels moving on the input bar. I cannot, > however, get sound to come out. I have the Harmon Kardon USB speakers > + a USB Subwoofer running but nothing with the iMic selected as > input. Is this possible? > > Thanks > > Jan Georgen > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -- Seth Maynard Sethwm2@gmail.com ----------------------------------------- This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also, email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. ----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=c2V0aHdtMjM1MTY%3D From jwgeorgen at mac.com Thu Jan 25 13:48:17 2007 From: jwgeorgen at mac.com (Jan Georgen) Date: Thu Jan 25 13:48:38 2007 Subject: [Cube] Griffin iMic + Cube? In-Reply-To: References: <2B44E340-DEFD-4996-B084-1E4FD8F4A599@mac.com> Message-ID: <044C941C-F4CA-42B4-8DB0-81EE74173992@mac.com> got it! I installed iMic's Final Vinyl, set it to 'play through,' selected my USB speakers as output, and let there be sound! Works great! Thanks for the input and thought direction. Jan Georgen On Jan 25, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Seth Maynard wrote: > You have to have a program that you are going to be recording on such > as garage band or audacity. The sound is not going to just come out > just because you selected it as the input device. Yahoo, MSN, iChat, > AIM etc will use the mic when talking with someone online > > On 1/25/07, Jan Georgen wrote: >> I have a Kensington iPod dock that I am trying to hook up to my Cube >> via iMic. I can go to the Sound preference panel, select the iMic as >> the input and see the levels moving on the input bar. I cannot, >> however, get sound to come out. I have the Harmon Kardon USB speakers >> + a USB Subwoofer running but nothing with the iMic selected as >> input. Is this possible? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jan Georgen >> _______________________________________________ >> Cube mailing list >> Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > > -- > Seth Maynard > Sethwm2@gmail.com > ----------------------------------------- > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the > sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, > distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the > recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all > copies of this message. Also, email is susceptible to data > corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and > viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are > not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, > amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. > ----- > Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. > http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=c2V0aHdtMjM1MTY%3D > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From pep27 at mac.com Thu Jan 25 22:24:34 2007 From: pep27 at mac.com (George Pepper) Date: Thu Jan 25 22:22:11 2007 Subject: [Cube] Griffin iMic + Cube? In-Reply-To: <044C941C-F4CA-42B4-8DB0-81EE74173992@mac.com> References: <2B44E340-DEFD-4996-B084-1E4FD8F4A599@mac.com> <044C941C-F4CA-42B4-8DB0-81EE74173992@mac.com> Message-ID: <6F168CAF-BCA1-46C4-AC99-AA6B5D3365B4@mac.com> Even though I moved from the Cube to a Mini I still use my iMic. It's a nice, simple device that does what it ought to 100% of the time. George A Pepper BM MM "The Alps of Texas", USA http://hucbald.blogspot.com/ On Jan 25, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Jan Georgen wrote: > got it! > > I installed iMic's Final Vinyl, set it to 'play through,' selected > my USB speakers as output, and let there be sound! Works great! > > Thanks for the input and thought direction. > > Jan Georgen > > On Jan 25, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Seth Maynard wrote: > >> You have to have a program that you are going to be recording on such >> as garage band or audacity. The sound is not going to just come out >> just because you selected it as the input device. Yahoo, MSN, iChat, >> AIM etc will use the mic when talking with someone online >> >> On 1/25/07, Jan Georgen wrote: >>> I have a Kensington iPod dock that I am trying to hook up to my Cube >>> via iMic. I can go to the Sound preference panel, select the iMic as >>> the input and see the levels moving on the input bar. I cannot, >>> however, get sound to come out. I have the Harmon Kardon USB >>> speakers >>> + a USB Subwoofer running but nothing with the iMic selected as >>> input. Is this possible? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jan Georgen >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cube mailing list >>> Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and >>> random stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >>> >> >> >> -- >> Seth Maynard >> Sethwm2@gmail.com >> ----------------------------------------- >> This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the >> sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, >> distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you >> are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the >> recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all >> copies of this message. Also, email is susceptible to data >> corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and >> viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are >> not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, >> amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. >> ----- >> Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. >> http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=c2V0aHdtMjM1MTY%3D >> _______________________________________________ >> Cube mailing list >> Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jwgeorgen at mac.com Sat Jan 27 18:35:44 2007 From: jwgeorgen at mac.com (Jan Georgen) Date: Sat Jan 27 18:36:02 2007 Subject: [Cube] smoking Cube Message-ID: <61E33FEC-BB06-46E7-8F43-ECCE80ED04E9@mac.com> Okay, something bad has happened to my son's cube. Long story short: when I plug the power into the back of the cube, the green power light glows as well as the red lcd. I can hit the power button and it glows but immediately turns off, all the while the green and red lcd lights are glowing. I then catch that horrible scent of electrical problems and pluu the power plug from the back. I traded power button + cable and had the same result and when I return the test items to my cube, all worked well. so where shall I begin? DC-DC board? Oh brother, I hate that smell... Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jan Georgen From frederix9 at sympatico.ca Sat Jan 27 19:30:33 2007 From: frederix9 at sympatico.ca (Frederick Manter) Date: Sat Jan 27 19:30:49 2007 Subject: [Cube] smoking Cube In-Reply-To: <61E33FEC-BB06-46E7-8F43-ECCE80ED04E9@mac.com> References: <61E33FEC-BB06-46E7-8F43-ECCE80ED04E9@mac.com> Message-ID: Can you tell us if the cube is a stock one or has it been upgraded, either the cpu or the video card. The upgraded one's are far more prone to problems, could be something like a dead fan or an installation goof. Is the smell coming from inside the cube's plastic case or is it from the power supply brick? It's very easy to take the computer out of it's case and you might be able to spot something that's amiss by using a flashlight or smell where it's coming from, could be as simple as something falling in there. If it's in the power supply it probably means it's going as they are usually the first big problem and they can't be repaired, you will have to find one on eBay as Apple doesn't do them anymore. If we had more information maybe someone on the list can come up with something that will help you. Good luck, Frederick >Okay, something bad has happened to my son's cube. Long story short: >when I plug the power into the back of the cube, the green power >light glows as well as the red lcd. I can hit the power button and >it glows but immediately turns off, all the while the green and red >lcd lights are glowing. I then catch that horrible scent of >electrical problems and pluu the power plug from the back. I traded >power button + cable and had the same result and when I return the >test items to my cube, all worked well. > >so where shall I begin? DC-DC board? Oh brother, I hate that smell... > >Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks > >Jan Georgen >_______________________________________________ >Cube mailing list >Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jwgeorgen at mac.com Sat Jan 27 19:53:14 2007 From: jwgeorgen at mac.com (Jan Georgen) Date: Sat Jan 27 19:53:33 2007 Subject: [Cube] smoking Cube In-Reply-To: References: <61E33FEC-BB06-46E7-8F43-ECCE80ED04E9@mac.com> Message-ID: <79AF7E14-EB9B-4762-999B-C04B7F107849@mac.com> Thanks for the response! It is basically stock, was a 450mHz that now has a 500mHz processor. The 3 memory slots are full, though I I don't know off-hand what the sizes are. The power brick is good. I have 2 of them (one is powering an ADC LCD for my Sawtooth) and tried both. My son's cat apparently knocked the cube over/off the desk and the drive acquired the Click of Death. I had pulled the old one and replaced with another, was installing a new OS (10.4) but the CD drive was making a funny noise, to me anyway. So I was in the process of putting the Cube back in it's shell when it hung up. In the interest of speed, I had not fastened the top plate (with the power button) completely and the cable from the power button pulled out of the J1 (?) receptacle. I am thinking that connector is attached to the vrm card and that is the source of my problem. And I am hoping, if that is the case, that the damage has not burned out the motherboard. I will do further investigating re: source of the burning smell. Thanks. Jan Georgen On Jan 27, 2007, at 9:30 PM, Frederick Manter wrote: > Can you tell us if the cube is a stock one or has it been upgraded, > either the cpu or the video card. The upgraded one's are far more > prone to problems, could be something like a dead fan or an > installation goof. Is the smell coming from inside the cube's > plastic case or is it from the power supply brick? It's very easy > to take the computer out of it's case and you might be able to spot > something that's amiss by using a flashlight or smell where it's > coming from, could be as simple as something falling in there. If > it's in the power supply it probably means it's going as they are > usually the first big problem and they can't be repaired, you will > have to find one on eBay as Apple doesn't do them anymore. If we > had more information maybe someone on the list can come up with > something that will help you. > > Good luck, > > Frederick > > >> Okay, something bad has happened to my son's cube. Long story >> short: when I plug the power into the back of the cube, the green >> power light glows as well as the red lcd. I can hit the power >> button and it glows but immediately turns off, all the while the >> green and red lcd lights are glowing. I then catch that horrible >> scent of electrical problems and pluu the power plug from the >> back. I traded power button + cable and had the same result and >> when I return the test items to my cube, all worked well. >> >> so where shall I begin? DC-DC board? Oh brother, I hate that smell... >> >> Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> >> Jan Georgen >> _______________________________________________ >> Cube mailing list >> Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From frederix9 at sympatico.ca Sat Jan 27 20:10:30 2007 From: frederix9 at sympatico.ca (Frederick Manter) Date: Sat Jan 27 20:10:37 2007 Subject: [Cube] smoking Cube In-Reply-To: <79AF7E14-EB9B-4762-999B-C04B7F107849@mac.com> References: <61E33FEC-BB06-46E7-8F43-ECCE80ED04E9@mac.com> <79AF7E14-EB9B-4762-999B-C04B7F107849@mac.com> Message-ID: Let us know if that's what it is, sounds like you might have spotted the problem. There will probably be more members chiming in tomorrow, Saturday night and all that. Good luck Frederick >Thanks for the response! It is basically stock, was a 450mHz that >now has a 500mHz processor. The 3 memory slots are full, though I I >don't know off-hand what the sizes are. The power brick is good. I >have 2 of them (one is powering an ADC LCD for my Sawtooth) and >tried both. My son's cat apparently knocked the cube over/off the >desk and the drive acquired the Click of Death. I had pulled the old >one and replaced with another, was installing a new OS (10.4) but >the CD drive was making a funny noise, to me anyway. So I was in the >process of putting the Cube back in it's shell when it hung up. In >the interest of speed, I had not fastened the top plate (with the >power button) completely and the cable from the power button pulled >out of the J1 (?) receptacle. I am thinking that connector is >attached to the vrm card and that is the source of my problem. And I >am hoping, if that is the case, that the damage has not burned out >the motherboard. > >I will do further investigating re: source of the burning smell. > >Thanks. > >Jan Georgen > >On Jan 27, 2007, at 9:30 PM, Frederick Manter wrote: > >>Can you tell us if the cube is a stock one or has it been upgraded, >>either the cpu or the video card. The upgraded one's are far more >>prone to problems, could be something like a dead fan or an >>installation goof. Is the smell coming from inside the cube's >>plastic case or is it from the power supply brick? It's very easy >>to take the computer out of it's case and you might be able to spot >>something that's amiss by using a flashlight or smell where it's >>coming from, could be as simple as something falling in there. If >>it's in the power supply it probably means it's going as they are >>usually the first big problem and they can't be repaired, you will >>have to find one on eBay as Apple doesn't do them anymore. If we >>had more information maybe someone on the list can come up with >>something that will help you. >> >>Good luck, >> >>Frederick >> >>>Okay, something bad has happened to my son's cube. Long story >>>short: when I plug the power into the back of the cube, the green >>>power light glows as well as the red lcd. I can hit the power >>>button and it glows but immediately turns off, all the while the >>>green and red lcd lights are glowing. I then catch that horrible >>>scent of electrical problems and pluu the power plug from the >>>back. I traded power button + cable and had the same result and >>>when I return the test items to my cube, all worked well. >>> >>>so where shall I begin? DC-DC board? Oh brother, I hate that smell... >>> >>>Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Jan Georgen >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Cube mailing list >>>Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube >>> >>>Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Cube mailing list >>Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube >> >>Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > >_______________________________________________ >Cube mailing list >Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From darknight113 at excite.com Sat Jan 27 21:02:25 2007 From: darknight113 at excite.com (James Whitfield) Date: Sat Jan 27 21:02:42 2007 Subject: [Cube] smoking Cube Message-ID: <20070128050225.D78BA8B354@xprdmxin.myway.com> change the power brick --- On Sat 01/27, Jan Georgen < jwgeorgen@mac.com > wrote: From: Jan Georgen [mailto: jwgeorgen@mac.com] To: Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan:35:44 -0600 Subject: [Cube] smoking Cube Okay, something bad has happened to my son's cube. Long story short: when I plug the power into the back of the cube, the green power light glows as well as the red lcd. I can hit the power button and it glows but immediately turns off, all the while the green and red lcd lights are glowing. I then catch that horrible scent of electrical problems and pluu the power plug from the back. I traded power button + cable and had the same result and when I return the test items to my cube, all worked well.so where shall I begin? DC-DC board? Oh brother, I hate that smell...Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.ThanksJan Georgen_______________________________________________Cube mailing listCube@listserver.themacintoshguy.comhttp://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cubeListmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From raub at afn.org Sun Jan 28 08:28:34 2007 From: raub at afn.org (Mauricio Tavares) Date: Sun Jan 28 08:28:38 2007 Subject: [Cube] No video cube Message-ID: <45BCCF32.9050907@afn.org> I shut down my cube so I could move it to a different location (like 1ft to the right). I turn it on. No video. And yet I can ssh to it, so I can run osxvnc, without a problem. Did my video card just go boink on me? Monitor is still happy, but I can try the cube on my TV too just to be on the safe side. From dan_oetting at qwest.net Sun Jan 28 09:12:51 2007 From: dan_oetting at qwest.net (Dan Oetting) Date: Sun Jan 28 09:13:12 2007 Subject: [Cube] smoking Cube In-Reply-To: <79AF7E14-EB9B-4762-999B-C04B7F107849@mac.com> References: <61E33FEC-BB06-46E7-8F43-ECCE80ED04E9@mac.com> <79AF7E14-EB9B-4762-999B-C04B7F107849@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 27, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Jan Georgen wrote: > I will do further investigating re: source of the burning smell. If you can smell smoke there is almost always physical evidence of what was smoking. The type of smell can be a clue of what to look for: plastics from wire insulation, epoxy from circuit boards, silicon dioxide from an exploded IC, dielectrics from capacitors etc. all give off unique odors. A visual inspection can spot the charred component, smoke trails or debris field. What you don't want to do is plug it in again or start swapping components from a working system until you've identified the cause. -- Dan O. From darknight113 at excite.com Sun Jan 28 11:02:51 2007 From: darknight113 at excite.com (James Whitfield) Date: Sun Jan 28 11:02:59 2007 Subject: [Cube] No video cube Message-ID: <20070128190251.1E6BB8B36B@xprdmxin.myway.com> you may have a short in your vid card --- On Sun 01/28, Mauricio Tavares < raub@afn.org > wrote: From: Mauricio Tavares [mailto: raub@afn.org] To: cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Date: Sun, 28 Jan:28:34 -0500 Subject: [Cube] No video cube I shut down my cube so I could move it to a different location (like 1ft to the right). I turn it on. No video. And yet I can ssh to it, so I can run osxvnc, without a problem. Did my video card just go boink on me? Monitor is still happy, but I can try the cube on my TV too just to be on the safe side._______________________________________________Cube mailing listCube@listserver.themacintoshguy.comhttp://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cubeListmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From raub at afn.org Sun Jan 28 11:53:49 2007 From: raub at afn.org (Mauricio Tavares) Date: Sun Jan 28 11:53:57 2007 Subject: [Cube] No video cube In-Reply-To: <20070128190251.1E6BB8B36B@xprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20070128190251.1E6BB8B36B@xprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <45BCFF4D.4020009@afn.org> James Whitfield wrote: > > you may have a short in your vid card > Does it worth doing a visual inspection or replace time? Through vnc, the card is not only reported as being live but also as seeing the monitor, recognizing it is a CRT, and knowing the resolution settings. > > > --- On Sun 01/28, Mauricio Tavares < raub@afn.org > wrote: > From: Mauricio Tavares [mailto: raub@afn.org] > To: cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Date: Sun, 28 Jan:28:34 -0500 > Subject: [Cube] No video cube > > I shut down my cube so I could move it to a different location (like 1ft to the right). I turn it on. No video. And yet I can ssh to it, so I can run osxvnc, without a problem. Did my video card just go boink on me? Monitor is still happy, but I can try the cube on my TV too just to be on the safe side._______________________________________________Cube mailing listCube@listserver.themacintoshguy.comhttp://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cubeListmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From sethwm2 at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 13:42:56 2007 From: sethwm2 at gmail.com (Seth Maynard) Date: Sun Jan 28 13:43:06 2007 Subject: [Cube] No video cube In-Reply-To: <45BCFF4D.4020009@afn.org> References: <20070128190251.1E6BB8B36B@xprdmxin.myway.com> <45BCFF4D.4020009@afn.org> Message-ID: This sounds very interesting this sounds like something has gone wrong with the graphics card or perhaps the bus itself. take the card out and look on it to make sure that there is no damage on the outside of the card to make sure that if you put anouther one in there that it won't burn out also. This sould be easy. If you smell something that is something on the bus or something on the card. You will be able to see where it is coming from. This also could have been because you left the computer pluged in with out a surge protector? I don't know let me know how it goes. On 1/28/07, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > James Whitfield wrote: > > > > you may have a short in your vid card > > > Does it worth doing a visual inspection or replace time? Through vnc, > the card is not only reported as being live but also as seeing the > monitor, recognizing it is a CRT, and knowing the resolution settings. > > > > > > > --- On Sun 01/28, Mauricio Tavares < raub@afn.org > wrote: > > From: Mauricio Tavares [mailto: raub@afn.org] > > To: cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > Date: Sun, 28 Jan:28:34 -0500 > > Subject: [Cube] No video cube > > > > I shut down my cube so I could move it to a different location (like 1ft to the right). I turn it on. No video. And yet I can ssh to it, so I can run osxvnc, without a problem. Did my video card just go boink on me? Monitor is still happy, but I can try the cube on my TV too just to be on the safe side._______________________________________________Cube mailing listCube@listserver.themacintoshguy.comhttp://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cubeListmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cube mailing list > > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -- Seth Maynard Sethwm2@gmail.com ----------------------------------------- This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also, email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. ----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=c2V0aHdtMjM1MTY%3D From sethwm2 at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 13:47:59 2007 From: sethwm2 at gmail.com (Seth Maynard) Date: Sun Jan 28 13:48:04 2007 Subject: [Cube] smoking Cube In-Reply-To: References: <61E33FEC-BB06-46E7-8F43-ECCE80ED04E9@mac.com> <79AF7E14-EB9B-4762-999B-C04B7F107849@mac.com> Message-ID: Yeah just because it is coming up in VNC does not mean that it is going to display. A certain part of the board could be damaged and the rest could be fine but that does not help you any does it?? lol. OK So you can pick a new graphics card for it cheep on ebay or something this should fix your issue. I am thinking if the new card doers not fix your issue you are going to have some issues and unless you know exactly what you are doing with electronics and you have instruments to look at the motherboard and the extender card to see what componets that you have to replace then I think that you are out of luck and you moght want to get a new Cube on ebay. The price of them have been going up because they have been getting more rare as they get older. I got mine just in time so that I did not have to pay a lot for it. I think that I got a 500 MHz Cube with a gig of ram for like $329.00. I got very lucky with this deal and I tryed to find something like this for my grandfather and I could not. Good Luck!!! On 1/28/07, Dan Oetting wrote: > > On Jan 27, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Jan Georgen wrote: > > > I will do further investigating re: source of the burning smell. > > If you can smell smoke there is almost always physical evidence of > what was smoking. The type of smell can be a clue of what to look > for: plastics from wire insulation, epoxy from circuit boards, > silicon dioxide from an exploded IC, dielectrics from capacitors etc. > all give off unique odors. A visual inspection can spot the charred > component, smoke trails or debris field. What you don't want to do is > plug it in again or start swapping components from a working system > until you've identified the cause. > > -- Dan O. > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -- Seth Maynard Sethwm2@gmail.com ----------------------------------------- This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also, email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. ----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=c2V0aHdtMjM1MTY%3D From jwgeorgen at mac.com Sun Jan 28 21:51:41 2007 From: jwgeorgen at mac.com (Jan Georgen) Date: Sun Jan 28 21:52:00 2007 Subject: [Cube] smoking Cube In-Reply-To: References: <61E33FEC-BB06-46E7-8F43-ECCE80ED04E9@mac.com> <79AF7E14-EB9B-4762-999B-C04B7F107849@mac.com> Message-ID: <7F534F83-5F7E-4F90-BB8D-04BCCF55106D@mac.com> Good evening. The saga continues. I was ready to start random swaps (since I happen to be a random-styled thinker) but heeded Dan's advice. For the most part. I pulled the hard drive then plugged in the power supply, then observed. Quickly. The red light/lcd turned on when the power was plugged in (no power switch attached). Very shortly thereafter, there was a popping/crackling sound. Followed by smoke emitting from both sides of video card. Followed by a pungent, metallic odor. Then a quick pull-out of the power plug. then a quasi-systematic take-apart, down to the pulling out of the DC- DC board. The gold contacts on the DC board that fit into the slot on the motherboard (the slot you have to push the 'ejector' to release the DC board) have a sort of gold-ish crust around each point and another sniff test yields sharp remnants of that metallic odor. Sort of smells like fingernails on a chalkboard sound, if you can switch sensory brain parts. That's where I stopped tonight. Thoughts? Thanks so much for all the ideas, directions, and warnings. Jan Georgen On Jan 28, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Dan Oetting wrote: > > On Jan 27, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Jan Georgen wrote: > >> I will do further investigating re: source of the burning smell. > > If you can smell smoke there is almost always physical evidence of > what was smoking. The type of smell can be a clue of what to look > for: plastics from wire insulation, epoxy from circuit boards, > silicon dioxide from an exploded IC, dielectrics from capacitors > etc. all give off unique odors. A visual inspection can spot the > charred component, smoke trails or debris field. What you don't > want to do is plug it in again or start swapping components from a > working system until you've identified the cause. > > -- Dan O. > > _______________________________________________ > Cube mailing list > Cube@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/cube > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From dan_oetting at qwest.net Mon Jan 29 02:11:30 2007 From: dan_oetting at qwest.net (Dan Oetting) Date: Mon Jan 29 02:11:35 2007 Subject: [Cube] smoking Cube In-Reply-To: <7F534F83-5F7E-4F90-BB8D-04BCCF55106D@mac.com> References: <61E33FEC-BB06-46E7-8F43-ECCE80ED04E9@mac.com> <79AF7E14-EB9B-4762-999B-C04B7F107849@mac.com> <7F534F83-5F7E-4F90-BB8D-04BCCF55106D@mac.com> Message-ID: <8DD4FF8D-12A2-44C0-A12D-153B347CF8BF@qwest.net> On Jan 28, 2007, at 10:51 PM, Jan Georgen wrote: > Good evening. The saga continues. I was ready to start random > swaps (since I happen to be a random-styled thinker) but heeded > Dan's advice. For the most part. I pulled the hard drive then > plugged in the power supply, then observed. Quickly. > > The red light/lcd turned on when the power was plugged in (no power > switch attached). > Very shortly thereafter, there was a popping/crackling sound. > Followed by smoke emitting from both sides of video card. Followed > by a pungent, metallic odor. > Then a quick pull-out of the power plug. > > then a quasi-systematic take-apart, down to the pulling out of the > DC-DC board. The gold contacts on the DC board that fit into the > slot on the motherboard (the slot you have to push the 'ejector' to > release the DC board) have a sort of gold-ish crust around each > point and another sniff test yields sharp remnants of that metallic > odor. Sort of smells like fingernails on a chalkboard sound, if you > can switch sensory brain parts. > > That's where I stopped tonight. Thoughts? > > Thanks so much for all the ideas, directions, and warnings. The golden crust might be normal, this could be a resin used in soldering or an insulator applied over high power circuits. I'm suspecting you have a damaged IC that is shorting out a power supply. The IC could be cracked open and there may be a whitish spray of what used to be the thousands of transistors in that IC. The power leads going to that IC should show clear signs of overheating from blistering of the protective coating on top to darkening and burning of the epoxy/fiberglas circuit board. When one IC melts down like this, any of it's inputs and outputs could connect to higher voltages supplied to the chip and propagate damage to other chips. The short circuit will invariably propagate damage back towards the power source, blistering circuit traces, melting wires, tarnishing contacts and burning out the power supply. This cascading effect is why it's usually a bad idea to randomly swap components when there is a serious failure. You could easily end up with two dead machines. [Most failures are minor involving broken bonding wires inside ICs, failed open gates, cracked traces on circuit cards or low current shorts. These failures don't make smoke and usually don't propagate failures to other parts of the system. Swapping parts is then usually a fast technique to locate the problem.] What you need to do is visually inspect the boards to find the damage. Then follow the power lines back to see if this caused any permanent damage to another board. The most serious problems would be if insulation on wires melted through to cause other short circuits or if a DC-DC converter failed and delivered a high voltage to a low voltage circuit. The spray from the failed IC can also contaminate other boards. After the visual inspection, sometimes you can simply remove the failed board and smoke test the rest of the system. Check the voltages on any power circuit feeding the removed board. If you can get schematics or a diagnostics/repair manual, they usually list the voltage test points. Otherwise you can make comparisons with a working system. -- Dan Oetting From franc-b at shaw.ca Wed Jan 31 22:53:22 2007 From: franc-b at shaw.ca (Francois) Date: Wed Jan 31 22:55:05 2007 Subject: [Cube] Thinking about a upgrade Message-ID: Okay... So, I've come to the realization (after using a new iMac for some time) that I want a faster computer... not necessarily want, but it would be nice to scrub pdf's and itunes windows with out hiccups. so any suggestions on processor upgrades? or Graphics card upgrades? Im looking for 3 things. 1 want to be able to run no fan. ( i live in canada and the room where i have the computer never exceeds 25C ) should be cheap - are the upgrades available used yet? hopefully around 3-$400. and reliable. i remember hearing that powerlogics had a 1.3Ghz that had lots of problems. my current specs are: 10.4.8, (runs great btw) 450 MHz 1.25 GB RAM 300GB Segate drive Rage 128 Pro (16MB V-RAM) Thanks everyone! -Francois From kelawrence at verizon.net Wed Jan 31 23:51:57 2007 From: kelawrence at verizon.net (Kathleen Lawrence) Date: Wed Jan 31 23:52:06 2007 Subject: [Cube] Thinking about a upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <277a8da54dea83cfc2ca16f5632c37cd@verizon.net> On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:53 PM, Francois wrote: > 1 want to be able to run no fan. ( i live in canada and the room > where i have the computer never exceeds 25C ) Hi, It is not the external temp that is a problem it is the internal temp! For everything you need to know about upgrading, go here: cubeowner.com kl