In a message dated 7/18/03 17:03:25, rnorthouse at wi.rr.com writes: << That is exactly what I think it is -- something of that elk. It is definitely 2 short and one long. >> You mean "ilk", not "elk". Elk are animals and do not deserve to have their name taken in vain. Ilk are things of that nature and can stand repeated abuse without ill effect.