At 11:24 PM -0400 7/30/03, Gregory Cortelyou wrote: I know lot's of people have gone to fruit menu and like it, I am a little scared of it because it majorly changes the way parts of the system expect themselves to be when installing updates etc. Greg, I haven't installed Fruit Menu yet but am feeling cautious as well. Is your fear based on any reports? While searching Version Tracker for Apple Menu emulators, I came upon Classic Menu by Sig Software. Their web page assures that "Users concerned by the instability of competing products should note that Classic Menu is a simple application and applies no patches or low-level hacks." It also won the MacFixit Toolbox Award in 2000 for OSX Utilities. http://www.unsanity.com/ (Fruit Menu) http://www.sigsoftware.com/ (Classic Menu)