From rich at richardklein.org Fri Dec 1 03:22:37 2006 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Fri Dec 1 03:22:59 2006 Subject: [G4] Cheap Pioneer DVR-710s Message-ID: <1BFE0EA6-8BFE-4983-98B4-E8BE2785EE9A@richardklein.org> I just saw this: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?id=36132&P=CN Aren't the DVR-710s equivalent to DVR-110s or something like that? Anyway, you should note that the ones at the above link are refurbished. -- Rich From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Dec 1 06:08:57 2006 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Dec 1 06:09:04 2006 Subject: [G4] Cheap Pioneer DVR-710s In-Reply-To: <1BFE0EA6-8BFE-4983-98B4-E8BE2785EE9A@richardklein.org> References: <1BFE0EA6-8BFE-4983-98B4-E8BE2785EE9A@richardklein.org> Message-ID: <3d1847e41e771ec1d87ec81c30ae3b99@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Did you read all the way to the bottom where it said: ---------------------------------------------------- Additional Information: * Notes: * Model: DVR-710 * Part: DVR-111D * UPC: 0 12563 01251 2 ---------------------------------------------------- On Dec 1, 2006, at 3:22 AM, Richard Klein wrote: > I just saw this: > http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?id=36132&P=CN > > Aren't the DVR-710s equivalent to DVR-110s or something like that? > > Anyway, you should note that the ones at the above link are > refurbished. > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From rich at richardklein.org Fri Dec 1 15:52:35 2006 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Fri Dec 1 15:52:43 2006 Subject: [G4] Cheap Pioneer DVR-710s In-Reply-To: <3d1847e41e771ec1d87ec81c30ae3b99@gifutiger.com> References: <1BFE0EA6-8BFE-4983-98B4-E8BE2785EE9A@richardklein.org> <3d1847e41e771ec1d87ec81c30ae3b99@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: <74D3723C-1B72-48AA-99A2-AE5012B8A37F@richardklein.org> Well, no, I didn't read all the way to the bottom. Thanks for pointing that out! -- Rich On Dec 1, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Did you read all the way to the bottom where it said: > ---------------------------------------------------- > Additional Information: > * Notes: > * Model: DVR-710 > * Part: DVR-111D > * UPC: 0 12563 01251 2 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > On Dec 1, 2006, at 3:22 AM, Richard Klein wrote: > >> I just saw this: >> http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?id=36132&P=CN >> >> Aren't the DVR-710s equivalent to DVR-110s or something like that? >> >> Anyway, you should note that the ones at the above link are >> refurbished. From robertmacleay at mac.com Fri Dec 1 22:46:49 2006 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Fri Dec 1 22:46:59 2006 Subject: [G4] OS 9 In-Reply-To: <20061201112305.3F379501187@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: No, but there are workarounds. Check out this article for some options: http://www.atpm.com/12.12/activity.shtml On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:57:31 -0500, Richard Dion wrote: > Fellow Mac users, > > Can this work? If you have a new Mac Intel can you also have OS 9.2 on an > external firewire drive to run older applications that only run on OS 9? I > think I already know the answer but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway. > > All answers welcome...Thanks > Deacon From robertmacleay at mac.com Fri Dec 1 22:50:39 2006 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Fri Dec 1 22:50:49 2006 Subject: [G4] OS 9 In-Reply-To: <20061201112305.3F379501187@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Right site, wrong page! The proper URL for running OS9 applications on Macintel is http://www.atpm.com/12.09/classic.shtml Sorry about that! > If you have a new Mac Intel can you also have OS 9.2 on an > external firewire drive to run older applications that only run on OS 9? I > think I already know the answer but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway. From serge at zanzinato.com Mon Dec 4 09:22:10 2006 From: serge at zanzinato.com (Serge Isaacson) Date: Mon Dec 4 09:21:08 2006 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD 1.25Ghz Message-ID: <45745942.6090204@zanzinato.com> Hey, I was wondering what a decent video card upgrade would be for a G4 MDD 1.25Ghz. I currently have the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro. Thanks, Serge From braddrussell at yahoo.com Tue Dec 5 16:13:58 2006 From: braddrussell at yahoo.com (Brad Russell) Date: Tue Dec 5 16:14:03 2006 Subject: [G4] Video card for DP500 Message-ID: <20061206001359.33441.qmail@web62412.mail.re1.yahoo.com> My old DP450 is starting to have some issues, (power supply fan going out, not wanting to boot without PMU reset even though it has a new battery) so I just picked up a DP 500 since I wanted to be able to use the 2 gig of ram and my existing hardrives. But now I'm thinking I should upgrade the video card. Right now it is running a 20 flat panel and you can tell it is taxing it. What is the general thinking for video cards for these machines? Thanks! Brad ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20061205/59e97145/attachment.html From rem at meyeroff-c-c.com Tue Dec 5 16:54:45 2006 From: rem at meyeroff-c-c.com (Richard Meyeroff) Date: Tue Dec 5 16:55:02 2006 Subject: [G4] upgrade video card Message-ID: I have a G4 MDD running a Radeon 900 I would like to upgrade the card Any suggestions? -- Have a Happy & Enjoy Richard Meyeroff Meyeroff Computer Consultants tel: 410-258-7503 rem@meyeroff-c-c.com From skygram at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 09:26:33 2006 From: skygram at gmail.com (SKYGRAM) Date: Wed Dec 13 09:26:39 2006 Subject: [G4] Is there a way to turn off a router so than no one can log on late at night? Message-ID: <1c7726e90612130926h42eabc2drbee76027c4b92d31@mail.gmail.com> Hi Gang! Does anyone know of a way to turn off a router so that no one can use it after midnight? A neighbor asked me this question because he discovered that his children were accessing the Internet late at night after he an his wife had gone to sleep. Is there another way than merely hiding a cable of some sort. Could there be a password approach to the problem? Bill From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 13 10:12:38 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Wed Dec 13 10:12:43 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) Got a question about an unwanted visitor... Message-ID: <20061213181238.95636.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good Morning folk... I think I?ve got a issue and could use some help! Each time that I visit ?Mac Daily News? web site and the first news item that I open up - I also get an unwanted visitor. In the form of a Vonage add (at this point I would buy a Vonage phone or there services - you would think that the ad guys would think about this before they leap) The details of this little visitor demonstrates that it a service of media,fastclick.net... Is this adware and is it on my computer or what? And how does one get free of it? I have noticed that there are a number of PC based solution but is there a Mac based solution? Hopeful Rick aka therepguy P.S. Here?s hopeing all will have a safe and Happy Holiday Season! From dictator at rebargraphics.com Wed Dec 13 10:18:59 2006 From: dictator at rebargraphics.com (jim carbone) Date: Wed Dec 13 10:19:11 2006 Subject: [G4] Is there a way to turn off a router so than no one can log on late at night? In-Reply-To: <1c7726e90612130926h42eabc2drbee76027c4b92d31@mail.gmail.com> References: <1c7726e90612130926h42eabc2drbee76027c4b92d31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Depends on the router, I imagine. My Linksys has an access restriction panel. I've assigned my son's machine a static IP, and using that I'm able to restrict access past bedtime while other machines in the house are unaffected. This works not only by time of day, but also day of week, and can even go so far as to shut off access to certain websites. I find it very helpful. Another thought is to have the router save access logs. An old one I had would email the logs to me. Sometimes showing your child a printed list of everywhere he's been is enough to let them know they are not getting away with anything. Hope this helps... --jim On Dec 13, 2006, at 12:26 PM, SKYGRAM wrote: > Hi Gang! > > Does anyone know of a way to turn off a router so that no one can use > it after midnight? > > A neighbor asked me this question because he discovered that his > children were accessing the Internet late at night after he an his > wife had gone to sleep. > > Is there another way than merely hiding a cable of some sort. Could > there be a password approach to the problem? > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From shawn at yourmaclife.com Wed Dec 13 10:24:24 2006 From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King) Date: Wed Dec 13 10:24:35 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) Got a question about an unwanted visitor... In-Reply-To: <20061213181238.95636.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12/13/06 1:12 PM, "Richard Ramsowr" wrote: > Is this adware and is it on my computer or what? No - it's a popup set by that web site. Many people on the site have complained about it. > And how does one get free of it? Don't visit that web site. > I have noticed that there are a number of PC based > solution but is there a Mac based solution? No - because their is no Mac adware problem. :) -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com From skygram at gmail.com Wed Dec 13 10:31:59 2006 From: skygram at gmail.com (SKYGRAM) Date: Wed Dec 13 10:32:09 2006 Subject: [G4] Is there a way to turn off a router so than no one can log on late at night? In-Reply-To: References: <1c7726e90612130926h42eabc2drbee76027c4b92d31@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c7726e90612131031w41407f93v78d119197b05898e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Jim. Those are really good ideas. Bill From baltwo at san.rr.com Wed Dec 13 11:15:12 2006 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Wed Dec 13 11:16:58 2006 Subject: [G4] Re: (G4) Got a question about an unwanted visitor... In-Reply-To: <20061213182436.831555C2DCD@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061213182436.831555C2DCD@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/13/06, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > > Each time that I visit ?Mac Daily News? web site and > the first news item that I open up - I also get an > unwanted visitor. In the form of a Vonage ad (at this > point I would buy a Vonage phone or there services - > you would think that the ad guys would think about > this before they leap) Safari->Safari->enable Block Pop-up Windows. From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 13 12:17:07 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Wed Dec 13 12:17:16 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) Got a question about an unwanted visitor... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <753986.53803.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shane your wrote... "no Mac adware problem" that what I through but of late I've been getting a hand full of this adware crap past my blocker - so I was wondering - thanks for getting back to me Rick =========================================== --- Shawn King wrote: > > > > On 12/13/06 1:12 PM, "Richard Ramsowr" > wrote: > > > Is this adware and is it on my computer or what? > > No - it's a popup set by that web site. Many people > on the site have > complained about it. > > > And how does one get free of it? > > Don't visit that web site. > > > I have noticed that there are a number of PC based > > solution but is there a Mac based solution? > > No - because their is no Mac adware problem. :) > > -- > Shawn King > Host/Executive Producer > Your Mac Life > http://www.yourmaclife.com > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 13 12:25:16 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Wed Dec 13 12:25:24 2006 Subject: [G4] Re: (G4) Got a question about an unwanted visitor... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <594554.53548.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John thanks for getting back to me... and in fact my block pop up windows - is enabled! =========================================== --- John Baltutis wrote: > On 12/13/06, Richard Ramsowr > wrote: > > > > Each time that I visit ?Mac Daily News? web site > and > > the first news item that I open up - I also get an > > unwanted visitor. In the form of a Vonage ad (at > this > > point I would buy a Vonage phone or there services > - > > you would think that the ad guys would think about > > this before they leap) > > Safari->Safari->enable Block Pop-up Windows. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Wed Dec 13 12:33:42 2006 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Wed Dec 13 12:33:59 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) Got a question about an unwanted visitor... In-Reply-To: <20061213181238.95636.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061213181238.95636.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > >I have noticed that there are a number of PC based >solution but is there a Mac based solution? Look Here: http://macscan.securemac.com/ -- James Edwards Instructional Technology Consultant Instructional Technology Services Adams Humanities-1109, MC-8114 San Diego State University San Diego, Ca. 92182-8114 (619) 594-5727 mailto:jedwards@mail.sdsu.edu Fax (619) 594-4061 http://its.sdsu.edu/aboutus/staff.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20061213/3c8cda0b/attachment.html From briang113 at pacbell.net Wed Dec 13 14:06:44 2006 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Wed Dec 13 14:06:57 2006 Subject: [G4] Re: (G4) Got a question about an unwanted visitor... In-Reply-To: <594554.53548.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <594554.53548.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The new trend is to make the ads that pop up not a true pop up but a flash embedded in the website. So a pop-up blocker does not work. You might have to try a different browser, Camino, firefox etc. these have a web based advertising blocker that is effective for the flash based ads. I haven't used Safari in about a year so I do not know if this is an option. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Dec 13, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > John > > thanks for getting back to me... > > and in fact my block pop up windows - is enabled! > =========================================== > > --- John Baltutis wrote: > >> On 12/13/06, Richard Ramsowr >> wrote: >>> >>> Each time that I visit ?Mac Daily News? web site >> and >>> the first news item that I open up - I also get an >>> unwanted visitor. In the form of a Vonage ad (at >> this >>> point I would buy a Vonage phone or there services >> - >>> you would think that the ad guys would think about >>> this before they leap) >> >> Safari->Safari->enable Block Pop-up Windows. >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage >> Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 13 17:39:08 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Wed Dec 13 17:39:13 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) Got a question about an unwanted visitor... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <671296.1561.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks James It look interesting, I'll have to check it out... Rick +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --- James Edwards wrote: > > > >I have noticed that there are a number of PC based > >solution but is there a Mac based solution? > > Look Here: http://macscan.securemac.com/ > -- > James Edwards > Instructional Technology Consultant > Instructional Technology Services > Adams Humanities-1109, MC-8114 > San Diego State University > San Diego, Ca. 92182-8114 > > (619) 594-5727 > mailto:jedwards@mail.sdsu.edu > Fax (619) 594-4061 > http://its.sdsu.edu/aboutus/staff.html> _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 13 18:17:34 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Wed Dec 13 18:17:39 2006 Subject: [G4] Re: (G4) Got a question about an unwanted visitor... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <310026.62667.qm@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> BG Thanks for getting back to me.... Rick =========================================== --- B G wrote: > The new trend is to make the ads that pop up not a > true pop up but a > flash embedded in the website. > > So a pop-up blocker does not work. > > You might have to try a different browser, Camino, > firefox etc. these > have a web based advertising blocker that is > effective for the flash > based ads. > > I haven't used Safari in about a year so I do not > know if this is an > option. > > Brian > > G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM > > On Dec 13, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > > > John > > > > thanks for getting back to me... > > > > and in fact my block pop up windows - is enabled! > > =========================================== > > > > --- John Baltutis wrote: > > > >> On 12/13/06, Richard Ramsowr > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Each time that I visit ?Mac Daily News? web site > >> and > >>> the first news item that I open up - I also get > an > >>> unwanted visitor. In the form of a Vonage ad (at > >> this > >>> point I would buy a Vonage phone or there > services > >> - > >>> you would think that the ad guys would think > about > >>> this before they leap) > >> > >> Safari->Safari->enable Block Pop-up Windows. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> G4 mailing list > >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >> > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > >> > >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! > Vintage > >> Mac and random stuff: > >> > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! > Vintage Mac and random > > stuff: > > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From shawn at yourmaclife.com Wed Dec 13 21:07:01 2006 From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King) Date: Wed Dec 13 21:07:53 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) Got a question about an unwanted visitor... In-Reply-To: <753986.53803.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 12/13/06 3:17 PM, "Richard Ramsowr" wrote: > Shane > > your wrote... > > "no Mac adware problem" > > that what I through but of late I've been getting a > hand full of this adware crap past my blocker What browser are you using? Some Pop ups are written so cleverly, they get by some browsers. It's still not "adware" in the strictest sense of the term. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com From MegaSTMac at aol.com Thu Dec 14 01:23:38 2006 From: MegaSTMac at aol.com (MegaSTMac@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 14 01:23:53 2006 Subject: [G4] Kernal Panic, then crash Message-ID: Well, it happened to me. While I was importing music from a tape into my QS, the Qs had a kernal panic (text on screen) and said it was waiting for the debugger, or some such thing.I waited a few seconds to see if something would happen. I shut it down using the front power button, and rebooted. It ran for a minute or so, and then just powered off. I wrote this and then tried to import the music again, but after about 20 minutes a black dialog box popped up telling me I needed to reboot the computer. So, should I have waited for the computer to do something after the KP? Is there some way to see (a log perhaps) what caused the KP and/or shut down or to see what causes it in the future? I normally leave my QS on all the time in a room at about 72 degrees temp, and usually have a number of programs booted up, including classic. Occasionally Firefox quits, and I just assumed that it was caused by classic running. I'm running 10.3.9 on a QS with 1.5 Gigs ram, dual 1.8GHz upgrade card, PCI SATA card and drive and a FW/USB 2.0 card. STeve From rsmykla at verizon.net Thu Dec 14 04:08:19 2006 From: rsmykla at verizon.net (Rick Smykla) Date: Thu Dec 14 04:08:55 2006 Subject: [G4] Kernal Panic, then crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FB3D040-0B6B-4182-9F7A-75D86C2D85FD@verizon.net> Steve, I have an almost identical QS, including CPU upgrade. A couple things to consider here. . . KPs are generally caused by either 1) hardware incompatibility or fault, 2) bad kernel extension software, 3) overheating (see 1) If you haven't changed your hardware config lately, it could be overheating, especially since the dual 1.8 is an overclocked CPU to begin with. I had this problem with my GigaDesigns card (purchased early this year). The company replaced the card after asking me to do a voltage (jumper) change and some additional testing. In my case, I run the folding@home client software, which maxes out the CPU usage 24/7. I didn't see any problem with this card until the warmer weather appeared, and I wound up setting the card to 1.6 GHz to keep it stable. I eventually contacted the company with a description of the symptoms and they supplied me with a redesigned card, which has performed well and without problem at the rated 1.8 GHz. Do you run any processor-stressing software such as f@h? To explore this option further, you could try resetting the clock speed to 1.6, and see if the problem persists. If so, I'd start examining other possibilities, such as a bad RAM module. HTH, Rick On Dec 14, 2006, at 4:23 AM, MegaSTMac@aol.com wrote: > Well, it happened to me. While I was importing music from a tape > into my QS, > the Qs had a kernal panic (text on screen) and said it was waiting > for the > debugger, or some such thing.I waited a few seconds to see if > something would > happen. I shut it down using the front power button, and rebooted. > It ran for a > minute or so, and then just powered off. I wrote this and then > tried to import > the music again, but after about 20 minutes a black dialog box > popped up > telling me I needed to reboot the computer. > > So, should I have waited for the computer to do something after the > KP? Is > there some way to see (a log perhaps) what caused the KP and/or > shut down or to > see what causes it in the future? I normally leave my QS on all the > time in a > room at about 72 degrees temp, and usually have a number of > programs booted > up, including classic. Occasionally Firefox quits, and I just > assumed that it > was caused by classic running. > > I'm running 10.3.9 on a QS with 1.5 Gigs ram, dual 1.8GHz upgrade > card, PCI > SATA card and drive and a FW/USB 2.0 card. From edit at ejourney.com Thu Dec 14 04:44:56 2006 From: edit at ejourney.com (Amy Morris) Date: Thu Dec 14 04:35:51 2006 Subject: [G4] Hard Drive upgrade in a G4 QS In-Reply-To: <6FB3D040-0B6B-4182-9F7A-75D86C2D85FD@verizon.net> References: <6FB3D040-0B6B-4182-9F7A-75D86C2D85FD@verizon.net> Message-ID: <45814748.3030405@ejourney.com> Hello everyone, I'm new to the list and joined because I'm trying to find a solution to a problem I'm having with a G4 QS. I upgraded the hard drive to a Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 PATA 320 gb. The machine is fine in X, but will not start up in classic. I'm not sure if it is an issue with how the drive is partioned, or something I've never even thought of. Any ideas? Thanks for any help you can give. Amy From edit at ejourney.com Thu Dec 14 05:11:01 2006 From: edit at ejourney.com (Amy Morris) Date: Thu Dec 14 05:01:40 2006 Subject: [G4] Hard Drive upgrade in a G4 QS In-Reply-To: <45814748.3030405@ejourney.com> References: <6FB3D040-0B6B-4182-9F7A-75D86C2D85FD@verizon.net> <45814748.3030405@ejourney.com> Message-ID: <45814D65.1090601@ejourney.com> I meant to say partitioned... Amy Morris wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm new to the list and joined because I'm trying to find a solution > to a problem I'm having with a G4 QS. I upgraded the hard drive to a > Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 PATA 320 gb. The machine is fine in X, but > will not start up in classic. I'm not sure if it is an issue with how > the drive is partioned, or something I've never even thought of. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks for any help you can give. > > Amy > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From sng at cox.net Thu Dec 14 07:31:32 2006 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Thu Dec 14 07:32:21 2006 Subject: [G4] Kernal Panic, then crash In-Reply-To: <6FB3D040-0B6B-4182-9F7A-75D86C2D85FD@verizon.net> References: <6FB3D040-0B6B-4182-9F7A-75D86C2D85FD@verizon.net> Message-ID: Ka-ching! I, too, would suspect heating the upgrade card. In fact, i experienced that even with a Mercury 1.4 GHz single processor CPU card. I did not get Kernel panics, but I got weird bright green font substitutions all over the place. Then, I got freezes that necessitated manual powering down. --Steve (now on a 20" Intel iMac) At 4:23 AM -0500 12/14/06, MegaSTMac@aol.com wrote: >I'm running 10.3.9 on a QS with 1.5 Gigs ram, dual 1.8GHz upgrade card, At 7:08 AM -0500 12/14/06, Rick Smykla wrote: >If you haven't changed your hardware config lately, it could be overheating, especially since the dual 1.8 is an overclocked CPU to begin with. I had this problem with my GigaDesigns card (purchased early this year). The company replaced the card after asking me to do a voltage (jumper) change and some additional testing. In my case, I run the folding@home client software, which maxes out the CPU usage 24/7. I didn't see any problem with this card until the warmer weather appeared, and I wound up setting the card to 1.6 GHz to keep it stable. I eventually contacted the company with a description of the symptoms and they supplied me with a redesigned card, which has performed well and without problem at the rated 1.8 GHz. From jelmore at elmoredesign.com Thu Dec 14 10:33:53 2006 From: jelmore at elmoredesign.com (Jim Elmore) Date: Thu Dec 14 10:34:03 2006 Subject: [G4] Encrypting a file Message-ID: Is there a way to password protect and/or encrypt a single file? From rem at meyeroff-c-c.com Thu Dec 14 12:07:58 2006 From: rem at meyeroff-c-c.com (Richard Meyeroff) Date: Thu Dec 14 12:08:08 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have just insalled a DVR 111D. It appears to have installed ok but I have trouble opening the door. It appears to be hung up on part of the plastic on the fromt faceplate of the computer. When I compared the faceplates on the drives themselves the faceplate on the 111D is larger. Is this a problem others have run into? If so how did they solve it? -- Have a Happy & Enjoy Richard Meyeroff rem@meyeroff-c-c.com From peter at birrendesign.com Thu Dec 14 12:48:06 2006 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Thu Dec 14 12:46:02 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Richard Meyeroff > > I have just insalled a DVR 111D. It appears to have installed ok but > I have trouble opening the door. It appears to be hung up on part of > the plastic on the fromt faceplate of the computer. When I compared > the faceplates on the drives themselves the faceplate on the 111D is > larger. I also got a DVD-111D (great price!). Installed it in a G4/GigEth/dual450. Went in easy enough and the door works fine with no interference from the faceplate. The burner's tray is fairly high but clears the faceplate by about 1/8" on top, the closest spot. Perhaps you've got the faceplate a little off? However, I also have a problem. Replaced the CD read-only that came with the unit; use Toast 5.2 (running OS9.2.2). The 111D burns CD's very nicely but will only burn small DVD's from files on the desktop. When I try to make a DVD, the following message comes up: "Toast cannot write the data in Mac OS Standard format. Please switch to Mac OS Extended." This message appears no matter where the original files are located - main hard drive is Extended. Any ideas how to fix this? Pioneer thinks it's a Roxio thing. Maybe it'll fix itself when I install Tiger over Christmas week? - Peter From rem at meyeroff-c-c.com Thu Dec 14 12:52:27 2006 From: rem at meyeroff-c-c.com (Richard Meyeroff) Date: Thu Dec 14 12:52:34 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter I haven't tried to burn anything to the 111D because I still need to clear the face plate. But I am running Tiger.8 so I don't expect any problems >From: Richard Meyeroff >> >> I have just insalled a DVR 111D. It appears to have installed ok but >> I have trouble opening the door. It appears to be hung up on part of >> the plastic on the fromt faceplate of the computer. When I compared >> the faceplates on the drives themselves the faceplate on the 111D is >> larger. > >I also got a DVD-111D (great price!). Installed it in a G4/GigEth/dual450. >Went in easy enough and the door works fine with no interference from the >faceplate. The burner's tray is fairly high but clears the faceplate by >about 1/8" on top, the closest spot. Perhaps you've got the faceplate a >little off? > >However, I also have a problem. Replaced the CD read-only that came with the >unit; use Toast 5.2 (running OS9.2.2). The 111D burns CD's very nicely but >will only burn small DVD's from files on the desktop. When I try to make a >DVD, the following message comes up: "Toast cannot write the data in Mac OS >Standard format. Please switch to Mac OS Extended." This message appears no >matter where the original files are located - main hard drive is Extended. >Any ideas how to fix this? Pioneer thinks it's a Roxio thing. Maybe it'll >fix itself when I install Tiger over Christmas week? > >- Peter > -- Have a Happy & Enjoy Richard Meyeroff rem@meyeroff-c-c.com From peter at birrendesign.com Thu Dec 14 13:07:56 2006 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Thu Dec 14 13:05:57 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Richard Meyeroff > > Peter I haven't tried to burn anything to the 111D because I still > need to clear the face plate. > > But I am running Tiger.8 so I don't expect any problems Here's something to try: open the burner door with a fingernail on the door top. It's kept in place by a hinge in the lower corners and a spring holds it closed. You should be able to see the tray's edges. If they aren't clear, then I'd suspect some mistake in installation like the bottom 4 screws not fully seated (?) or the front screws not in place. Another minor detail I noticed: the original unit had a tiny piece of self-adhesive plastic/nylon attached to the 'open' button as a wear preventer. I peeled it off the original and placed it on the new one - after the computer was shut off so the tray wouldn't open. - Peter From dilloman at armadillo-press.com Thu Dec 14 13:18:33 2006 From: dilloman at armadillo-press.com (J. R. Rosen) Date: Thu Dec 14 13:18:52 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52DDD8EE-0B52-4065-BB27-B6F4699282BB@armadillo-press.com> Richard, there's a facing on the front of that tray. I looks like it's part of the tray, but it's not. Look at the under-side of the tray, and you should see 2 or 3 protrusions. Pull them out to clear the tray and slide it toward the top of the unit. Everything should work fine after that. GOOD LUCK! On Dec 14, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Richard Meyeroff wrote: > Peter I haven't tried to burn anything to the 111D because I still > need to clear the face plate. > > But I am running Tiger.8 so I don't expect any problems > > >> From: Richard Meyeroff >>> >>> I have just insalled a DVR 111D. It appears to have installed >>> ok but >>> I have trouble opening the door. It appears to be hung up on >>> part of >>> the plastic on the fromt faceplate of the computer. When I compared >>> the faceplates on the drives themselves the faceplate on the >>> 111D is >>> larger. >> >> I also got a DVD-111D (great price!). Installed it in a G4/GigEth/ >> dual450. >> Went in easy enough and the door works fine with no interference >> from the >> faceplate. The burner's tray is fairly high but clears the >> faceplate by >> about 1/8" on top, the closest spot. Perhaps you've got the >> faceplate a >> little off? >> >> However, I also have a problem. Replaced the CD read-only that >> came with the >> unit; use Toast 5.2 (running OS9.2.2). The 111D burns CD's very >> nicely but >> will only burn small DVD's from files on the desktop. When I try >> to make a >> DVD, the following message comes up: "Toast cannot write the data >> in Mac OS >> Standard format. Please switch to Mac OS Extended." This message >> appears no >> matter where the original files are located - main hard drive is >> Extended. >> Any ideas how to fix this? Pioneer thinks it's a Roxio thing. >> Maybe it'll >> fix itself when I install Tiger over Christmas week? >> >> - Peter >> > > -- > Have a Happy & Enjoy > > Richard Meyeroff > rem@meyeroff-c-c.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > J. R. Rosen Armadillo Press-Printing & Graphics 305 Wells Fargo Dr., Suite 4 Houston, TX 77090 281-586-9383 (phone) 281-586-9876 (fax) 281-467-5366 (cell) jrosen82@sbcglobal.net dilloman@armadillo-press.com www.armadillo-press.com From MegaSTMac at aol.com Thu Dec 14 14:18:09 2006 From: MegaSTMac at aol.com (MegaSTMac@aol.com) Date: Thu Dec 14 14:18:37 2006 Subject: [G4] Kernal Panic, then crash Message-ID: Response below... << Steve, I have an almost identical QS, including CPU upgrade. A couple things to consider here. . . KPs are generally caused by either 1) hardware incompatibility or fault, 2) bad kernel extension software, 3) overheating (see 1) If you haven't changed your hardware config lately, it could be overheating, especially since the dual 1.8 is an overclocked CPU to begin with. I had this problem with my GigaDesigns card (purchased early this year). The company replaced the card after asking me to do a voltage (jumper) change and some additional testing. In my case, I run the folding@home client software, which maxes out the CPU usage 24/7. I didn't see any problem with this card until the warmer weather appeared, and I wound up setting the card to 1.6 GHz to keep it stable. I eventually contacted the company with a description of the symptoms and they supplied me with a redesigned card, which has performed well and without problem at the rated 1.8 GHz. Do you run any processor-stressing software such as f@h? To explore this option further, you could try resetting the clock speed to 1.6, and see if the problem persists. If so, I'd start examining other possibilities, such as a bad RAM module. HTH, Rick >> What is folding@home? After I sent the e-mail about this, I imported the music with no problem. I left the computer on all night. (It doesn't sleep, probably cuz of the USB 2.0 card) Anyway, I think I'll wait to see if this happens again. So far the QS has been bulletproof since the Giga upgrade before summer, through about 35 cassette imports, until now, that is. The memory issue does give me pause, as I got conflicting reports from different ram testing programs I ram not long after I bought the machine. For now, I'll see if I have more episodes like last night, in the future.I assume that more will come if there is a real problem. STeve From philip.robar at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 16:19:52 2006 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Thu Dec 14 16:20:04 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57F14121-8E26-4484-B7FB-EC5B17E25DE1@gmail.com> On Dec 14, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Peter Birren wrote: > "Toast cannot write the data in Mac OS Standard format. Please > switch to Mac OS Extended." The problem is not with where the data is coming from, it's how you're trying to write it. Somewhere in Toast a setting is telling it to write using standard format instead of extend format. You need to find that setting and change it. Phil From philip.robar at gmail.com Thu Dec 14 16:36:29 2006 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Thu Dec 14 16:36:35 2006 Subject: [G4] Encrypting a file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A57BF45-251C-4F66-B9E9-E18E982CF2BF@gmail.com> On Dec 14, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Jim Elmore wrote: Not built that comes standard with the os as far as I can tell. I even took a quick look through the command line programs and didn't find anything. I did a quick search on "crypt" at http://www.macupdate.com and turned up several programs that should do what you want. Here's the first interesting thing that Google found: http://www.securemac.com/ tresor.php. Phil -- "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." -- Susan B. Anthony From peter at birrendesign.com Thu Dec 14 17:32:49 2006 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Thu Dec 14 17:30:49 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D In-Reply-To: <57F14121-8E26-4484-B7FB-EC5B17E25DE1@gmail.com> Message-ID: From: Philip > >> "Toast cannot write the data in Mac OS Standard format. Please >> switch to Mac OS Extended." > > The problem is not with where the data is coming from, it's how you're > trying to write it. Somewhere in Toast a setting is telling it to > write using standard format instead of extend format. You need to find > that setting and change it. Makes sense but I couldn't find the switch :-) Went through the Toast help program, searching for various related things... no dice. Updating Toast ain't a bad idea unless there's a free utility; Toast is the only burning program I've used so far. Thanks, - Peter From symlkrborn at yahoo.com Thu Dec 14 17:31:38 2006 From: symlkrborn at yahoo.com (s. yaz) Date: Thu Dec 14 17:31:43 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D Message-ID: <20061215013138.31415.qmail@web61313.mail.yahoo.com> PETER; how much is great price? maker? etc tia ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Birren To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:48:06 PM Subject: Re: [G4] DVR111D From: Richard Meyeroff > > I have just insalled a DVR 111D. It appears to have installed ok but > I have trouble opening the door. It appears to be hung up on part of > the plastic on the fromt faceplate of the computer. When I compared > the faceplates on the drives themselves the faceplate on the 111D is > larger. I also got a DVD-111D (great price!). Installed it in a G4/GigEth/dual450. Went in easy enough and the door works fine with no interference from the faceplate. The burner's tray is fairly high but clears the faceplate by about 1/8" on top, the closest spot. Perhaps you've got the faceplate a little off? However, I also have a problem. Replaced the CD read-only that came with the unit; use Toast 5.2 (running OS9.2.2). The 111D burns CD's very nicely but will only burn small DVD's from files on the desktop. When I try to make a DVD, the following message comes up: "Toast cannot write the data in Mac OS Standard format. Please switch to Mac OS Extended." This message appears no matter where the original files are located - main hard drive is Extended. Any ideas how to fix this? Pioneer thinks it's a Roxio thing. Maybe it'll fix itself when I install Tiger over Christmas week? - Peter _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! 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There's a good tutorial for how to swap burners in the G3 or G4 at: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/hival52x/install.html - Peter From tthomcarl at earthlink.net Thu Dec 14 19:12:15 2006 From: tthomcarl at earthlink.net (Thomas Carley) Date: Thu Dec 14 19:12:24 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You didn't say what model mac your 111D is installed in? I have a Quicksilver 2001 that I installed a 110D in (very close to a 111D), it was purchased from OWC, the instructions that came with the drive said "remove the front panel on the slide tray for installation in QS models, so that the slide will clear the front door " If you open the DVR slide (use paper clip thru pin hole on front of drive to release the slide} and look at the back of the panel on the slide, it should have 2 small clips that will release with light pressure. this should give you enough clearance so that it will open with no problems. Hope this helps, it fixed my door opening problem. Thomcarl, lost in the Rockies On Dec 14, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Richard Meyeroff wrote: > I have just insalled a DVR 111D. It appears to have installed ok > but I have trouble opening the door. It appears to be hung up on > part of the plastic on the fromt faceplate of the computer. When I > compared the faceplates on the drives themselves the faceplate on > the 111D is larger. > > Is this a problem others have run into? If so how did they solve it? > -- > Have a Happy & Enjoy > > Richard Meyeroff > rem@meyeroff-c-c.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From scql at jps.net Thu Dec 14 19:25:19 2006 From: scql at jps.net (Rick Barrett) Date: Thu Dec 14 19:25:25 2006 Subject: [G4] Burning DVD glitch Message-ID: I put a DVR-111D in my B&W (now G4/1MHz), when I try to burn a DVD Toast 6 won't do it, says something like "this operation unsupported". System profiler reads: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D: Firmware Revision: 1.06 Interconnect: ATAPI Burn Support: Yes (Unsupported) Profile Path: None Cache: 2000 KB Reads DVD: Yes CD-Write: -R, -RW DVD-Write: -R, -RW, +R, +RW, +R DL Burn Underrun Protection CD: Yes Burn Underrun Protection DVD: Yes Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw, DVD-DAO Media: No What am I missing? Rick From oldmacman at comcast.net Thu Dec 14 19:45:20 2006 From: oldmacman at comcast.net (Don Grant) Date: Thu Dec 14 19:45:29 2006 Subject: [G4] Lost Itunes sound Message-ID: All of a sudden, I can no longer hear the sound when I select music off my playlist. Have a G-4 with OS 10.4.8 installed. I still get sound with my quickTime and WMP when I play them. Don Grant From ddelmonte at mac.com Thu Dec 14 19:52:22 2006 From: ddelmonte at mac.com (David DelMonte) Date: Thu Dec 14 19:52:28 2006 Subject: [G4] Lost Itunes sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In iTunes, look at the top of the window, There is a slider bar (horizontal), that controls iTunes volume. Check that that is turned up. David On Dec 14, 2006, at 10:45 PM, Don Grant wrote: > All of a sudden, I can no longer hear the sound when I select music > off my > playlist. Have a G-4 with OS 10.4.8 installed. I still get sound > with my > quickTime and WMP when I play them. > > Don Grant > > From dan at noisybrain.com Thu Dec 14 20:10:33 2006 From: dan at noisybrain.com (Daniel Berube) Date: Thu Dec 14 20:10:42 2006 Subject: [G4] Tickets On Sale Now for 6th Annual MWSF FCPUG Supermeet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <799327.95055.qm@web812.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> TICKETS ON SALE NOW FOR 6TH ANNUAL MWSF FCPUG SUPERMEET Mark your calendars as the Final Cut Pro User Group Network, including Final Cut Pro User Groups from Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Mexico, U.K. and elsewhere is once again heading to San Francisco for the Sixth Annual MWSF FCPUG Network SuperMeet, what is considered to be a much-anticipated highlight of Macworld Conference and Expo SF 2007. 6TH ANNUAL MWSF FCPUG SUPERMEET When: Wednesday, January 10th Time: 7:00pm until we drop (Doors open at 6:30pm) Where: CLUB MEZZANINE, 444 Jessie St @ Mint, San Francisco, CA Cost: $10 online (see link below) Includes 2 Raffle tickets Raffle: $2.00 per raffle ticket or 3 for $5.00 TICKETS ON SALE ONLINE NOW Tickets are now on sale for the Sixth Annual MWSF FCPUG Network SuperMeet, to be held on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 from 7:00PM - 10:00PM at the Mezzanine Club in downtown San Francisco CA, just walking distance from the Moscone Center. 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For continuously updated information including directions to the Mezzanine Club as well as a link to buy tickets, click on the 6TH Annual MWSF FCPUG Network Supermee event at: http://www.lafcpug.org/macworld_07.html or at: http://www.bosfcpug.org/beta/index.php?option=com_events&task=view_cat&Itemid=59 Don't miss out on the fun - See you there! For more info, please email Mike Horton at: michaelh@lafcpug.org From rem at meyeroff-c-c.com Thu Dec 14 20:11:36 2006 From: rem at meyeroff-c-c.com (Richard Meyeroff) Date: Thu Dec 14 20:11:46 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From: s. yaz >> >> how much is great price? maker? etc > >$39.00 from http://www.supermediastore.com. DVR-111D is made by Pioneer. > >I also bought 100 Philips dual-layer DVD+R blanks... what good is a burner >without the media? > >There's a good tutorial for how to swap burners in the G3 or G4 at: >http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/hival52x/install.html Thanks for the link but it doesn't cover G4 MDD so no help. >- Peter > -- Have a Happy & Enjoy Richard Meyeroff Meyeroff Computer Consultants tel: 410-258-7503 rem@meyeroff-c-c.com From rem at meyeroff-c-c.com Thu Dec 14 20:12:55 2006 From: rem at meyeroff-c-c.com (Richard Meyeroff) Date: Thu Dec 14 20:13:06 2006 Subject: [G4] DVR111D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >You didn't say what model mac your 111D is installed in? I have a >Quicksilver 2001 that I G4 MDD dual 1ghz >installed a 110D in (very close to a 111D), it was purchased from >OWC, the instructions that came with the drive said "remove the >front panel on the slide tray for installation in QS models, so >that the slide will clear the front door " If you open the DVR >slide (use paper clip thru pin hole on front of drive to release the >slide} and look at the back of the panel on the slide, it should >have 2 small clips that will release with light pressure. >this should give you enough clearance so that it will open with no >problems. Hope this helps, it fixed my door opening problem. > Thomcarl, lost in the Rockies > >On Dec 14, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Richard Meyeroff wrote: > >>I have just insalled a DVR 111D. It appears to have installed ok >>but I have trouble opening the door. It appears to be hung up on >>part of the plastic on the fromt faceplate of the computer. When I >>compared the faceplates on the drives themselves the faceplate on >>the 111D is larger. >> >>Is this a problem others have run into? If so how did they solve it? >>-- >>Have a Happy & Enjoy >> >>Richard Meyeroff -- Have a Happy & Enjoy Richard Meyeroff Meyeroff Computer Consultants tel: 410-258-7503 rem@meyeroff-c-c.com From nagable at comcast.net Thu Dec 14 20:27:04 2006 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Thu Dec 14 20:27:09 2006 Subject: [G4] Hard Drive upgrade in a G4 QS Message-ID: <121520060427.19091.4582241800085ADE00004A9322007610640A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> I have always had trouble starting my QS 2002 in Classic. Classic runs fine alongside all the OS X versions, but only on rare occasions was I able to force a startup in OS 9. I had to do it when i installed the processor upgrade (Sonnet dual 1.8 GHz). I managed it by reinstalling 9.2.2. I don't know why you would need to start up on 9 when it runs side by side with OS X anyway. nate -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Amy Morris > I meant to say partitioned... > > Amy Morris wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I'm new to the list and joined because I'm trying to find a solution > > to a problem I'm having with a G4 QS. I upgraded the hard drive to a > > Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 PATA 320 gb. The machine is fine in X, but > > will not start up in classic. I'm not sure if it is an issue with how > > the drive is partioned, or something I've never even thought of. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks for any help you can give. > > > > Amy > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From nagable at comcast.net Thu Dec 14 20:30:45 2006 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Thu Dec 14 20:30:48 2006 Subject: [G4] Kernal Panic, then crash Message-ID: <121520060430.23752.458224F5000B92C300005CC822007610640A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> How long have you had the processor upgrade? I got the same one from Sonnet and from day 1 of the installation it would freeze after about an hour or so. It was fine if I shut down before that time period. After trying this and that, I finally called Sonnet and they sent me a new processor. I've been running fine ever since. Call Sonnet. Nate -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: MegaSTMac@aol.com > Well, it happened to me. While I was importing music from a tape into my QS, > the Qs had a kernal panic (text on screen) and said it was waiting for the > debugger, or some such thing.I waited a few seconds to see if something would > happen. I shut it down using the front power button, and rebooted. It ran for a > minute or so, and then just powered off. I wrote this and then tried to import > the music again, but after about 20 minutes a black dialog box popped up > telling me I needed to reboot the computer. > > So, should I have waited for the computer to do something after the KP? Is > there some way to see (a log perhaps) what caused the KP and/or shut down or to > see what causes it in the future? I normally leave my QS on all the time in a > room at about 72 degrees temp, and usually have a number of programs booted > up, including classic. Occasionally Firefox quits, and I just assumed that it > was caused by classic running. > > I'm running 10.3.9 on a QS with 1.5 Gigs ram, dual 1.8GHz upgrade card, PCI > SATA card and drive and a FW/USB 2.0 card. > > STeve > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From rem at meyeroff-c-c.com Fri Dec 15 03:47:30 2006 From: rem at meyeroff-c-c.com (Richard Meyeroff) Date: Fri Dec 15 03:47:35 2006 Subject: [G4] Fire Wire Direct Camera Message-ID: Some one gave me a Fire Wire Direct camera Model # 72430. It appears that it is used like the iSight. I have gone to the FireWire Direct site and can find no information on it. I have searched Google and the only driver I have been able to find is IOXWebcamX-1.1 Does anybody have any experience with this camera and or Driver? -- Have a Happy & Enjoy Richard Meyeroff rem@meyeroff-c-c.com From rsmykla at verizon.net Fri Dec 15 04:08:22 2006 From: rsmykla at verizon.net (Rick Smykla) Date: Fri Dec 15 04:08:55 2006 Subject: [G4] Kernal Panic, then crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, Well, to me KPs almost always indicate hardware issues. Sounds like you have a couple of components you could try removing one at a time to help diagnose the problem. The memory issue you mention raises a red flag, you may want to start there, removing one at a time. USB2 also worth checking. What is the most recent hardware change that you made to the QS? Sounds like the CPU may be fine, given the solid performance you've had so far, but keep it in mind if you're not able to eliminate the KPs after checking other possibilities. Folding at home? In short, it's a distributed computing effort where folks allow their computers to crunch small packets of data when their machines are otherwise idle. When complete, the "calculation packet" is sent back to a server at Stanford Univ to add to their results on protein folding simulations. The project has produced many scientific papers that are helping to understand the folding of proteins, which is important in understanding and eventually curing a number of serious diseases (e.g., Alzheimers, various cancers). Lots of info on Stanford's site . If you're interested in contributing, be sure to check here , where there is an active forum for Mac users participating in the project who can help you get set up and answer your questions. Very worthwhile cause, IMHO. Rick On Dec 14, 2006, at 5:18 PM, MegaSTMac@aol.com wrote: > What is folding@home? After I sent the e-mail about this, I > imported the > music with no problem. I left the computer on all night. (It > doesn't sleep, > probably cuz of the USB 2.0 card) Anyway, I think I'll wait to see > if this happens > again. So far the QS has been bulletproof since the Giga upgrade > before summer, > through about 35 cassette imports, until now, that is. The memory > issue does > give me pause, as I got conflicting reports from different ram testing > programs I ram not long after I bought the machine. > > For now, I'll see if I have more episodes like last night, in the > future.I > assume that more will come if there is a real problem. From jelmore at elmoredesign.com Fri Dec 15 09:14:00 2006 From: jelmore at elmoredesign.com (Jim Elmore) Date: Fri Dec 15 09:14:13 2006 Subject: [G4] Encrypting a file In-Reply-To: <4A57BF45-251C-4F66-B9E9-E18E982CF2BF@gmail.com> References: <4A57BF45-251C-4F66-B9E9-E18E982CF2BF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1EA36348-8B35-4EB9-8C0A-6E227410A960@elmoredesign.com> Thanks for looking that up. Looks like lots of possibilities. So far, a password protected disk image works well, as does a password protected Word file. On Dec 14, 2006, at 6:36 PM, Philip J Robar wrote: > Not built that comes standard with the os as far as I can tell. I > even took a quick look through the command line programs and didn't > find anything. > > I did a quick search on "crypt" at http://www.macupdate.com and > turned up several programs that should do what you want. Here's the > first interesting thing that Google found: http://www.securemac.com/ > tresor.php. > > Phil From chippuller at msn.com Fri Dec 15 13:48:18 2006 From: chippuller at msn.com (chip puller) Date: Fri Dec 15 13:48:26 2006 Subject: [G4] G4 mirror door POS OSX 10.3 In-Reply-To: <1EA36348-8B35-4EB9-8C0A-6E227410A960@elmoredesign.com> Message-ID: I am trying to repair a dual processor 867 mhz mirror door G4. It gets kernel panic even when booting from an OSX-DVD which I find, makes it difficult discovering the problem. Kernel panic happenes for no reason and I have zapped the pram, reformatted the HD, Replace the HD and installed new osx 10.3. Last night I even downloaded and installed the boot rom software upgrade. The boot rom was 4.4.8f2 and I erased it and reinstalled the software. The computer rebooted and ran for about 2 minutes and KERNEL PANIC.... I took all of the ram out of the sockets and tried 1 stick in all 4 sockets and reseated the CPU daughterboard. This G4 is the first one I have not been able to fix and that bugs me to no end. any ideas ? Al From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Dec 15 14:15:35 2006 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Dec 15 14:15:43 2006 Subject: [G4] G4 mirror door POS OSX 10.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) What's a "kernel panic"? (Mac OS X) UNIX-style operating systems (such as Mac OS X, Mac OS X Server, AIX, and A/UX) may experience a type of error called a "kernel panic," which may provide information useful for software developers. A kernel panic is a type of error that occurs when the core (kernel) of an operating system receives an instruction in an unexpected format, or that it fails to handle properly. A kernel panic may also follow when the operating system is not able to recover from a different type of error. A kernel panic can be caused by damaged or incompatible software or, more rarely, damaged or incompatible hardware. It sounds like you've gotten corrupted software, or perhaps both processors are trying to do the same job at the same time. If it's possible to reload OSX then I'd start at that point. Best of luck! ---------------------------------------------------- On Dec 15, 2006, at 1:48 PM, chip puller wrote: > I am trying to repair a dual processor 867 mhz mirror door G4. It gets > kernel panic even when booting from an OSX-DVD which I find, makes it > difficult discovering the problem. Kernel panic happenes for no reason > and I have zapped the pram, reformatted the HD, Replace the HD and > installed new osx 10.3. Last night I even downloaded and installed > the boot rom software upgrade. The boot rom was 4.4.8f2 and I erased > it and reinstalled the software. The computer rebooted and ran for > about 2 minutes and KERNEL PANIC.... I took all of the ram out of > the sockets and tried 1 stick in all 4 sockets and reseated the CPU > daughterboard. This G4 is the first one I have not been able to fix > and that bugs me to no end. > any ideas ? > Al > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From res19rmg at verizon.net Fri Dec 15 14:18:47 2006 From: res19rmg at verizon.net (Kevin Willis) Date: Fri Dec 15 14:19:02 2006 Subject: [G4] Kernal Panic, then crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9BAF841D-BBCC-4F46-8A4B-DC54907450F5@verizon.net> On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:08 AM, Rick Smykla wrote: > Steve, > > Well, to me KPs almost always indicate hardware issues. Sounds like > you have a couple of components you could try removing one at a > time to help diagnose the problem. The memory issue you mention > raises a red flag, you may want to start there, removing one at a > time. USB2 also worth checking. What is the most recent hardware > change that you made to the QS? Sounds like the CPU may be fine, > given the solid performance you've had so far, but keep it in mind > if you're not able to eliminate the KPs after checking other > possibilities. > When I upgraded the CPU in my Gigiabit G4, The heat-sink clips were on backwards. It sounds like no big deal, but I had KPs happening until I turned them around. http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/kernelpanics.html This is a link to a page that might be of some help. Good luck Kevin From wogears at fast.net Sat Dec 16 14:18:48 2006 From: wogears at fast.net (Les Berkley) Date: Sat Dec 16 14:19:02 2006 Subject: [G4] Installing Tiger Message-ID: Hello! G4 Sawtooth 400. I have three partitions on my current HD. The boot partition (10.3.9) is 10GB, of which 5.5 are used. There is also a 9.2.2 partition, which is bootable, and used for Classic. The third partition (35GB) has 33GB free on it. Can I install Tiger on that partition? If so, can I transfer my accounts, apps, etc to that partition as well? How would I go about doing this? Sorry for all the questions, but I haven't used Macs in a very long time (9.1.2) was current then...) Many thanks, Les From obgraph at hiwaay.net Sat Dec 16 14:56:13 2006 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Sat Dec 16 14:56:27 2006 Subject: [G4] Installing Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061216165613.070670.f89812c1@hiwaay.net> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:18:48 -0500, Les Berkley wrote: > Can I install Tiger on that partition? If so, > can I transfer my accounts, apps, etc to that partition as well? How would I > go about doing this? I assume that you are wanting to retain your old OS. The answer is yes. At some point during the installation (don't remember when...maybe, after restart), you will be asked if you want to transfer info from another partition. Select the old OS partition. After that, you will have to enter a password. Then, you can select which OS to boot from in sys prefs in the startup disk panel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Sat Dec 16 22:24:13 2006 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Sat Dec 16 22:24:29 2006 Subject: [G4] Installing Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 17/12/2006 9:18 AM, "Les Berkley" wrote: > Hello! > > G4 Sawtooth 400. I have three partitions on my current HD. The boot > partition (10.3.9) is 10GB, of which 5.5 are used. There is also a 9.2.2 > partition, which is bootable, and used for Classic. As O'Brien says, yes you will be able to do as you wish. I am just adding that you seem to have a misunderstanding of Classic. Classic is OS 9 run from within Panther. It is located on your 10.3.9 partition and would still be there as usual even if there is no other partition on your HD. The OS 9 operates on top of the already operating OS X. It can be found on your HD in a folder called 'Systems Folder' and has a '9' on the folder icon, whereas the folder for OS X is in a folder called simply 'System' and has an 'X' on the folder. Many people, however, such as myself, and apparently you as well, have a separate partition with OS 9.2 installed on it. This is independent of the other partition and is bootable. The only connection from this OS 9 partition to the Panther side is via a shared folder, often called a Drop Box, or other network options. On the other hand, Panther is capable of utilizing the OS 9 partition as if it was just another partition for storing files, but it cannot operate the OS 9 applications that are there. Panther can only operate the OS 9 apps indirectly by allowing the Classic environment within itself. Because it is a long long time since I have had need to use an OS 9 app (I have Quark over there, but don't use Quark anymore) and I find OS 9 to be generally an unpleasant experience these days and very frustrating to use compared to Panther, that I just use the OS 9 partition for my iTunes Library. iTunes and iPhoto work fine with their Library's on another partition including one with OS 9 on it, as they do on any external drive. The only advantage to having a separate OS 9 partition is that sometimes there can be some apps in the Classic environment that have some troubles, such as accessing a printer. Apart from that it suits some people to have a familiar full OS 9 environment because they like it. If I had my time over I would have simply installed OS X and not bothered with the OS 9 partition. It is largely useless. Tony http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art From chippuller at msn.com Mon Dec 18 07:33:15 2006 From: chippuller at msn.com (chip puller) Date: Mon Dec 18 07:34:04 2006 Subject: [G4] G5 at Goodwill somewhere In-Reply-To: <9BAF841D-BBCC-4F46-8A4B-DC54907450F5@verizon.net> Message-ID: First things first. 1. I removed all of the ram chips and have tried single ram chips in each of the sockets and still get kernal panic. 2. I replaced the HD with a brand new HD and installed OS 10.3 and still get KP a lot. 3. I erased the pram about 50 times and still get KP 4. I rewrote the boot rom code and got the message it was replaced and then booted off of the OSX 10.3 cd and got KP in about 2 minutes after booting off of the cd 5. I reseated the processor daughterboard and all of the cables and still got KP too many times to count. 6. I took the new HD out of the POS mirror door and put it in my G3 blue and white no KP 7. I reinstalled OS 10.3 on the blue and white and it took 54 minutes to reinstall what ever was missing. I ran the blue and white over 5 hours with no KP of any kind Fact. I suspect the G4 logic board is flakey since reinstalling the boot rom did not fix the KP problem I also suspect the factory CD rom in the POS mirror door G4 is bad as some times when I check the system profiler there are no devices on that bus even though the CD drive door opens and it will recognize a CD if one is put in the drive. This mirror door G4 is the first computer that I have ever wanted to put out of it's misery in 26 years of computer repair. I thought some of the earlier 286 pee cee processor clone computers were junk from the factory but Apple dropped the ball trying to make the G-4 processor computers different then their other models just to make people want to buy them because the end user was too stupid to realize that Apple was screwing them. The G-4 upgrade for the Blue and white G-3 comes to mind. I have a first revision G-3 and will never upgrade it's boot rom for that reason. Sorry Apple but dropping the ball doesn't make me want to upgrade to a G-5 and I never will. (unless I find a used G-5 at Goodwill somewhere) Al >From: Kevin Willis >Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > >To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > >Subject: Re: [G4] Kernal Panic, then crash >Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:18:47 -0500 > > >On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:08 AM, Rick Smykla wrote: > >>Steve, >> >>Well, to me KPs almost always indicate hardware issues. Sounds like you >>have a couple of components you could try removing one at a time to help >>diagnose the problem. The memory issue you mention raises a red flag, you >>may want to start there, removing one at a time. USB2 also worth >>checking. What is the most recent hardware change that you made to the >>QS? Sounds like the CPU may be fine, given the solid performance you've >>had so far, but keep it in mind if you're not able to eliminate the KPs >>after checking other possibilities. >> > >When I upgraded the CPU in my Gigiabit G4, The heat-sink clips were on >backwards. It sounds like no big deal, but I had KPs happening until I >turned them around. > >http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/kernelpanics.html This is a link to a page >that might be of some help. > >Good luck > >Kevin > > >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From dancurr at frontiernet.net Mon Dec 18 07:42:43 2006 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Mon Dec 18 07:43:35 2006 Subject: [G4] G4 mirror door POS OSX 10.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4586B6F3.8030809@frontiernet.net> chip puller wrote: > I am trying to repair a dual processor 867 mhz mirror door G4. It gets > kernel panic even when booting from an OSX-DVD which I find, makes it > difficult discovering the problem. Kernel panic happenes for no reason > and I have zapped the pram, reformatted the HD, Replace the HD and > installed new osx 10.3. Last night I even downloaded and installed > the boot rom software upgrade. The boot rom was 4.4.8f2 and I erased > it and reinstalled the software. The computer rebooted and ran for > about 2 minutes and KERNEL PANIC.... I took all of the ram out of > the sockets and tried 1 stick in all 4 sockets and reseated the CPU > daughterboard. This G4 is the first one I have not been able to fix > and that bugs me to no end. > any ideas ? > Al Have you removed and reinstalled the heat sink and processors so that they are truly seated. I also added some heat sink paste between the processors and the heat sink on my MDD 1.25 Dualie and it has been working great ever since. http://cgi.ebay.com/Silver-Thermal-Paste-Heatsink-Compound-CPU-Grease_W0QQitemZ120002776889QQihZ002QQcategoryZ46322QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem Later, Dan Currie From harry at gifutiger.com Mon Dec 18 09:05:31 2006 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Dec 18 09:05:41 2006 Subject: [G4] Installing Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f66fa1f35bf9df06f19477a427564a6@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) I guess some of us just don't worry about it, as I have on my 120Gb main drive, a copy of OSX 10.3.9, a copy of OS 9.2.2, a copy of OS 9.2.1, and a copy of OS 9.0 and I suffer no Ill effects. If I want to boot into something other than OSX 10.3.9 I simply go to "System Preferences" select "Startup Drive" and then select the Drive/Folder that I would like to boot from, then select reboot. I assume that one of those versions of OS 9.X.X is used by OSX when I request the "Classic" mode of operation, and have never had any problems, and I have been using OSX now for 4 Years. ---------------------------------------------------- On Dec 16, 2006, at 10:24 PM, Tony Johansen wrote: > On 17/12/2006 9:18 AM, "Les Berkley" wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> G4 Sawtooth 400. I have three partitions on my current HD. The boot >> partition (10.3.9) is 10GB, of which 5.5 are used. There is also a >> 9.2.2 >> partition, which is bootable, and used for Classic. > > As O'Brien says, yes you will be able to do as you wish. I am just > adding > that you seem to have a misunderstanding of Classic. Classic is OS 9 > run > from within Panther. It is located on your 10.3.9 partition and would > still > be there as usual even if there is no other partition on your HD. The > OS 9 > operates on top of the already operating OS X. It can be found on your > HD in > a folder called 'Systems Folder' and has a '9' on the folder icon, > whereas > the folder for OS X is in a folder called simply 'System' and has an > 'X' on > the folder. > > Many people, however, such as myself, and apparently you as well, have > a > separate partition with OS 9.2 installed on it. This is independent of > the > other partition and is bootable. The only connection from this OS 9 > partition to the Panther side is via a shared folder, often called a > Drop > Box, or other network options. > > On the other hand, Panther is capable of utilizing the OS 9 partition > as if > it was just another partition for storing files, but it cannot operate > the > OS 9 applications that are there. Panther can only operate the OS 9 > apps > indirectly by allowing the Classic environment within itself. Because > it is > a long long time since I have had need to use an OS 9 app (I have > Quark over > there, but don't use Quark anymore) and I find OS 9 to be generally an > unpleasant experience these days and very frustrating to use compared > to > Panther, that I just use the OS 9 partition for my iTunes Library. > iTunes > and iPhoto work fine with their Library's on another partition > including one > with OS 9 on it, as they do on any external drive. > > The only advantage to having a separate OS 9 partition is that > sometimes > there can be some apps in the Classic environment that have some > troubles, > such as accessing a printer. Apart from that it suits some people to > have a > familiar full OS 9 environment because they like it. If I had my time > over I > would have simply installed OS X and not bothered with the OS 9 > partition. > It is largely useless. > > Tony > http://www.tonyjohansen.com > A Life Of Art > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From eponsworley at mac.com Mon Dec 18 09:32:02 2006 From: eponsworley at mac.com (Ernest Vincent Pons-Worley) Date: Mon Dec 18 09:32:11 2006 Subject: [G4] SCSI Help, please Message-ID: <895897C2-664C-4CEB-91DB-06B5296AB842@mac.com> I have a dual 450 MHz processor Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) with 960 MB RAM and two internal HDDs: a 100 GB running Tiger 10.4.8 and an 80 GB running OS 9.2.2 (dual boot). I'm trying to retire a 1998-vintage old world beige G3. However, I don't want to lose my investment in SCSI peripherals, which work just fine: a UMAX Astra 1200S scanner and an Alps MD-1300 printer. I bought an Adaptec SCSI card, which works fine in the G4 with either OS. Unfortunately the system sees the scanner but not the printer and I can only use the scanner when I boot into OS 9--it won't run under classic and there is no OS X driver that I could find for this scanner. I did find a driver for the Alps printer (ppmtoppd), but I can't figure out how to compile, link and install it. I was able to use this scanner in the past on the G3 running Ubuntu Linux; therefore, I know that SANE (or was it XSANE?) and gimp work with it. Unfortunately I can't get Fink Commander to install either the SANE front or backend or gimp on the G4. The install aborts complaining about wrong dependencies (or something like that). The instructions for installing the printer from Linuxprinting.org using foomatic are even worse--daunting, in fact. Before diving into what looks like a computer science masters thesis, I would appreciate any clues anyone could give me that would help me get the scanner and/ or printer working. Thanks! Ernest From wogears at fast.net Mon Dec 18 09:40:42 2006 From: wogears at fast.net (Les Berkley) Date: Mon Dec 18 09:40:41 2006 Subject: [G4] SCSI Help, please In-Reply-To: <895897C2-664C-4CEB-91DB-06B5296AB842@mac.com> Message-ID: <000a01c722cb$a4415900$2a01a8c0@BILLQSBOX> Hi! You should be able to use the scanner with Vuescan, which does not use a driver, but makes low-level SCSI calls to the scanner. The printer seems to be another thing entirely. Do you really need either of these things? Scanners are very cheap these days, and you can get a LOT more DR than the Astra 1200 for under 100 bucks on ebay. And they give away printers... -----Original Message----- From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Vincent Pons-Worley Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:32 PM To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Cc: Ernest Vincent Pons-Worley Subject: [G4] SCSI Help, please I have a dual 450 MHz processor Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) with 960 MB RAM and two internal HDDs: a 100 GB running Tiger 10.4.8 and an 80 GB running OS 9.2.2 (dual boot). I'm trying to retire a 1998-vintage old world beige G3. However, I don't want to lose my investment in SCSI peripherals, which work just fine: a UMAX Astra 1200S scanner and an Alps MD-1300 printer. I bought an Adaptec SCSI card, which works fine in the G4 with either OS. Unfortunately the system sees the scanner but not the printer and I can only use the scanner when I boot into OS 9--it won't run under classic and there is no OS X driver that I could find for this scanner. I did find a driver for the Alps printer (ppmtoppd), but I can't figure out how to compile, link and install it. I was able to use this scanner in the past on the G3 running Ubuntu Linux; therefore, I know that SANE (or was it XSANE?) and gimp work with it. Unfortunately I can't get Fink Commander to install either the SANE front or backend or gimp on the G4. The install aborts complaining about wrong dependencies (or something like that). The instructions for installing the printer from Linuxprinting.org using foomatic are even worse--daunting, in fact. Before diving into what looks like a computer science masters thesis, I would appreciate any clues anyone could give me that would help me get the scanner and/ or printer working. Thanks! Ernest _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.23/591 - Release Date: 12/17/2006 3:17 PM From russells at strodtbeck.org Mon Dec 18 09:44:48 2006 From: russells at strodtbeck.org (russells@strodtbeck.org) Date: Mon Dec 18 09:45:02 2006 Subject: [G4] Wireless Security Message-ID: <49695.1166463888@strodtbeck.org> I have a Motorola Wireless WPC1810G card installed in my G4. It works fine. The problem I am trying to solve is setting the security in the card. Since this is running on apple software, I have not figured out how to access the card since all software for the card is PC . I want to encrypt the wireless router and the wireless card since both have to have the same security encryption. Anyone had any experience with this type of a situation? Any help is appreciated. Russell G4/400 704 MB ram OS 10.3.9 Wireless CArd Motorola WPC1810G Router Hawkings HWR54G From baltwo at san.rr.com Mon Dec 18 13:07:44 2006 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Mon Dec 18 13:08:20 2006 Subject: [G4] Installing Tiger In-Reply-To: <20061218154342.91C8B6106F4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061218154342.91C8B6106F4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/18/06, Tony Johansen wrote: > On 17/12/2006 9:18 AM, "Les Berkley" wrote: >> >> G4 Sawtooth 400. I have three partitions on my current HD. The boot >> partition (10.3.9) is 10GB, of which 5.5 are used. There is also a 9.2.2 >> partition, which is bootable, and used for Classic. > > As O'Brien says, yes you will be able to do as you wish. I am just adding > that you seem to have a misunderstanding of Classic. Classic is OS 9 run > from within Panther. It is located on your 10.3.9 partition and would still > be there as usual even if there is no other partition on your HD. The OS 9 > operates on top of the already operating OS X. It can be found on your HD in > a folder called 'Systems Folder' and has a '9' on the folder icon, whereas > the folder for OS X is in a folder called simply 'System' and has an 'X' on > the folder. > > Many people, however, such as myself, and apparently you as well, have a > separate partition with OS 9.2 installed on it. This is independent of the > other partition and is bootable. The only connection from this OS 9 > partition to the Panther side is via a shared folder, often called a Drop > Box, or other network options. > > On the other hand, Panther is capable of utilizing the OS 9 partition as if > it was just another partition for storing files, but it cannot operate the > OS 9 applications that are there. Panther can only operate the OS 9 apps > indirectly by allowing the Classic environment within itself. Because it is > a long long time since I have had need to use an OS 9 app (I have Quark over > there, but don't use Quark anymore) and I find OS 9 to be generally an > unpleasant experience these days and very frustrating to use compared to > Panther, that I just use the OS 9 partition for my iTunes Library. iTunes > and iPhoto work fine with their Library's on another partition including one > with OS 9 on it, as they do on any external drive. > > The only advantage to having a separate OS 9 partition is that sometimes > there can be some apps in the Classic environment that have some troubles, > such as accessing a printer. Apart from that it suits some people to have a > familiar full OS 9 environment because they like it. If I had my time over I > would have simply installed OS X and not bothered with the OS 9 partition. > It is largely useless. Wrong on many counts. According to , to run Classic in OS X you must have a Mac OS 9 System Folder installed on your computer, either on the same hard disk as Mac OSX, or on another disk or disk partition. Thus, the OP can use the OS 9 partition for his Classic and not have a Mac OS 9 System Folder on his Panther volume. I have a bootable OS 9 partition so I can do some things that require OS9 but aren't supported w/Classic. From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 19 12:33:11 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Tue Dec 19 12:33:20 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... Message-ID: <20061219203311.55960.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With some regret, it?s time to let my fellow brethren within the mac community know of the retirement of my aging but trusted copy of Appleworks 6.2.9. In favor of the latest copy of Pages 2.02 which I have been learning and using for the last few months! The old gal was not at all pleased but has been closed for the last time. Some time over the holiday, I guess I?ll pull here off the hard drive , pack her up in her box and shelve her for a period of time. Then maybe I?ll entertain bids. I started using Appleworks, back before she was called ClarisWorks, I think that the correct spelling, - back in the days of my Apple IIc - how time flies! In fact, I was using Applework 5 something or was it 6. When I upgraded to my first Mac, the new software was by then called ClarisWorks and a couple years after that Apple Revised the Appleworks brand and I used her to this day both for personal and business usages. I must say that for the last year or so I have been using Neo Office for business almost full time. So the old girl hasn?t been seeing much work. So when I moved on to Tiger, it followed that iWork and Pages would enter my life. I must say that Pages has turned out to be everything that I had hoped Applework would have been and more! So if I?m able to get just half the life cycle out of Pages that I got out of Appleworks - It will have been worth every cent that I have or will have paid out over the coming 20+ years! I trust this rant hasn?t been to far off topic... Otherwise - Here?s hoping all will have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season! Rich aka therepguy in Houston From skygram at gmail.com Tue Dec 19 13:27:27 2006 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Tue Dec 19 13:27:39 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: <20061219203311.55960.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, Richard, I feel your pain. Appleworks was a great bit of software that did everything it was supposed to do without being mystifying and hard to understand. Lately I have been using a clever little freebie word processor called, "ABWORD". Check it out if you are looking for something simple. I use it on my 1gb flash drive that I keep in my pocket. In a pinch I can use it anywhere. It is MS Word compatible. Vent away, we are here for you. Bill From keith_w at dslextreme.com Tue Dec 19 13:32:41 2006 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Tue Dec 19 13:33:16 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: <20061219203311.55960.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061219203311.55960.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45885A79.4050000@dslextreme.com> Richard Ramsowr wrote: > With some regret, it?s time to let my fellow brethren > within the mac community know of the retirement of my > aging but trusted copy of Appleworks 6.2.9. In favor > of the latest copy of Pages 2.02 which I have been > learning and using for the last few months! > > The old gal was not at all pleased but has been closed > for the last time. Some time over the holiday, I guess > I?ll pull here off the hard drive , pack her up in her > box and shelve her for a period of time. Then maybe > I?ll entertain bids. > > I started using Appleworks, back before she was called > ClarisWorks, I think that the correct spelling, - > back in the days of my Apple IIc - how time flies! > > In fact, I was using Applework 5 something or was it > 6. > > When I upgraded to my first Mac, the new software was > by then called ClarisWorks and a couple years after > that Apple Revised the Appleworks brand and I used her > to this day both for personal and business usages. I > must say that for the last year or so I have been > using Neo Office for business almost full time. So > the old girl hasn?t been seeing much work. The only Claris 'thing' I have been using over the years, is Claris Draw. Still use it, still like it! Never did use ClarisWorks... > So when I moved on to Tiger, it followed that iWork > and Pages would enter my life. I must say that Pages > has turned out to be everything that I had hoped > Applework would have been and more! So if I?m able to > get just half the life cycle out of Pages that I got > out of Appleworks - It will have been worth every cent > that I have or will have paid out over the coming 20+ > years! > > I trust this rant hasn?t been to far off topic... > > Otherwise - Here?s hoping all will have a Safe and > Happy Holiday Season! > > Rich aka therepguy in Houston keith whaley From emaxxx4 at warpmail.net Tue Dec 19 13:58:07 2006 From: emaxxx4 at warpmail.net (Eric Buczynski) Date: Tue Dec 19 13:58:22 2006 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 Wireless Security In-Reply-To: <20061219213318.1B8BD626F45@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061219213318.1B8BD626F45@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Russell, I've never heard of setting the security on the card. The only security I can think of is making sure the screw holds the PCI plate to the back of the Mac. I have the same exact card ($10 on ebay new), and the only security measure I know of is to set the firewall in the System Preferences panel under Sharing. You'll have to go into the router setup screen (http://192.168.2.0 or however it is setup by default), then configure the router security. From there you can set up a password, then go to the Mac under the wireless menulet, select the "Crate Network..." option, and it will bring down a new panel. From there click "Options" and now you can set a password on your wireless network. This should do it but I can't be too sure since I'm connected to a PC downstairs that's directly connected to the internet. Eric I have a Motorola Wireless WPC1810G card installed in my G4. It works fine. The problem I am trying to solve is setting the security in the card. Since this is running on apple software, I have not figured out how to access the card since all software for the card is PC . I want to encrypt the wireless router and the wireless card since both have to have the same security encryption. Anyone had any experience with this type of a situation? Any help is appreciated. Russell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20061219/d14b75f2/attachment.html From peter at birrendesign.com Tue Dec 19 14:35:09 2006 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Tue Dec 19 14:32:59 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: <20061219203311.55960.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I started using Appleworks, back before she was called > ClarisWorks, I think that the correct spelling, - > back in the days of my Apple IIc - how time flies! Nice eulogy for a dear, departed friend, Richard. I, too, had it on the IIc, then on to the IIe with multiple floppy (and for those who don't remember, they really were floppy) disk drives. Now that I'll be making the jump to 10.4(.8?) from 9.2.2, you've given me something more to look forward to. Question: do Appleworks files open in Pages? Thanks, - Peter From baltwo at san.rr.com Tue Dec 19 15:47:48 2006 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Tue Dec 19 15:48:03 2006 Subject: [G4] Re: (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: <20061219213318.B370F626F46@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061219213318.B370F626F46@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/19/06, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > > With some regret, it?s time to let my fellow brethren > within the mac community know of the retirement of my > aging but trusted copy of Appleworks 6.2.9. In favor > of the latest copy of Pages 2.02 which I have been > learning and using for the last few months! Why? She runs well on 10.4.8 and OS 9 (6.2.8). From m3gunner at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 19 16:51:51 2006 From: m3gunner at sbcglobal.net (Jamie Pruden) Date: Tue Dec 19 16:52:19 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C70602B-ED3F-429A-8EB4-1AADCBEFC9E8@sbcglobal.net> Hi Peter, I just tried it and Pages does open AppleWorks documents. Didn't do a really complex document, however. Not sure how it will handle spreadsheet frames or text frames within a WP document. I did phone support at Claris during its run from CW2 through CW5... in fact, I got laid off when Claris closed, went back to work at FileMaker and was the person who sent the source code for CW to Apple so they could prepare the 5.0.4 release. Ah... those were the days. Still use AW, though. Works great on my daughter's Core 2 Duo machine... smiles, Jamie On Dec 19, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Peter Birren wrote: > Now that I'll be making the jump to 10.4(.8?) from 9.2.2, you've > given me > something more to look forward to. Question: do Appleworks files > open in > Pages? From britchey11 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 19 17:21:20 2006 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Tue Dec 19 17:21:23 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: <1C70602B-ED3F-429A-8EB4-1AADCBEFC9E8@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <919344.35359.qm@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i still make graphics in aw- it is easy to understand Jamie Pruden wrote: Hi Peter, I just tried it and Pages does open AppleWorks documents. Didn't do a really complex document, however. Not sure how it will handle spreadsheet frames or text frames within a WP document. I did phone support at Claris during its run from CW2 through CW5... in fact, I got laid off when Claris closed, went back to work at FileMaker and was the person who sent the source code for CW to Apple so they could prepare the 5.0.4 release. Ah... those were the days. Still use AW, though. Works great on my daughter's Core 2 Duo machine... smiles, Jamie On Dec 19, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Peter Birren wrote: > Now that I'll be making the jump to 10.4(.8?) from 9.2.2, you've > given me > something more to look forward to. Question: do Appleworks files > open in > Pages? _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20061219/1862e42b/attachment.html From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Tue Dec 19 20:42:02 2006 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Tue Dec 19 20:42:08 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: <20061219203311.55960.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 20/12/2006 7:33 AM, "Richard Ramsowr" wrote: > With some regret, it?s time to let my fellow brethren > within the mac community know of the retirement of my > aging but trusted copy of Appleworks 6.2.9. In favor > of the latest copy of Pages 2.02 which I have been > learning and using for the last few months! Richard, I have read your sad piece with sympathy, and the various other comments that have followed. I do appreciate the feeling of losing something very familiar, but I will say something from a different point of view, the point of view of those who started computing in the era of OS X and during my learning phase listened to all the 'old pro's' who told me how I had to have OS 9 on a separate partition because of all the great things about the old programmes like Quark and AppleWorks etc. I came to the conclusion after trying to use Appleworks etc that computing has improved dramatically since those old days, OS 9 itself, as well as those older apps are, from my perspective, the reason that Apple nearly died. I learned to hate OS 9 and AppleWorks. You needed to have grown up with them when there was nothing better in order to like them. Office took over because it was better, and now Pages is light years ahead of Word in terms of a likeable, easy, yet powerful word processor with a bit of extra design elements thrown in. It does have limitations in it's interoperability with other computers that don't have Pages, but I love it, and am currently writing a 500,000 page book in Pages. AppleWorks had it's day, but it is ready for the ashes to be spread in the wind. Rest In Peace Tony http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art From peter at birrendesign.com Tue Dec 19 20:59:13 2006 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Tue Dec 19 20:56:59 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Da New Guy, Tony Johansen :-) > > 500,000 page book in Pages That's a BIG book! Took 6 years to produce my puny 116-page astronomy viewing list. - Peter From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 20 00:44:18 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Wed Dec 20 00:44:26 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <519975.2625.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Peter Direct from "pages" Help page... You can import documents and media files that were created using other applications into a Pages document. Here are ways to import files: To import a document, drag a document created using Microsoft Word or AppleWorks to the Pages application icon. A new Pages document opens, and the contents of the imported document is displayed. To import a media file, drag the image, music, or movie file from the Finder or the Pages Media Browser (click Media in the toolbar) to an open Pages document. Imported media files can include images (such as those that iPhoto supports), PDF files, QuickTime movies, or Flash animations. Items imported from Microsoft Word include styles, tables (including formulas), inline and fixed objects, charts, footnotes, endnotes, bookmarks, hyperlinks, lists, sections, and merge fields. Items imported from AppleWorks include lists, tables, spreadsheets, charts, inline and fixed objects, footnotes, endnotes, bookmarks, hyperlinks, and merge fields. So I guess the answer is yes... but then I'm still learning. I just tried it and it works great. Guess over the holiday I have to import all of my business folders over - that going to take a while. Otherwise - Here?s hoping all will have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season! Rich aka therepguy in Houston +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --- Peter Birren wrote: > > I started using Appleworks, back before she was > called > > ClarisWorks, I think that the correct spelling, - > > back in the days of my Apple IIc - how time flies! > > Nice eulogy for a dear, departed friend, Richard. > > I, too, had it on the IIc, then on to the IIe with > multiple floppy (and for > those who don't remember, they really were floppy) > disk drives. > > Now that I'll be making the jump to 10.4(.8?) from > 9.2.2, you've given me > something more to look forward to. Question: do > Appleworks files open in > Pages? > > Thanks, > > - Peter > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 20 00:54:38 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Wed Dec 20 00:54:43 2006 Subject: [G4] Re: (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <538626.88861.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John There a big difference between good and great... If you have never used pages to date, then go out and get a copy and use it for 21 days - then ask yourself that same question! Appleworks was great in it's day but times moves on and iWorks and Pages is the future plus it's full of nice features. I guess it's a little like driving a 1964 car or a 2007 model car! Night & Day! Besides I use it in my business and it products a very 2007 professional look to my letters! Otherwise - Here?s hoping all will have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season! Rich aka therepguy in Houston =========================================== --- John Baltutis wrote: > On 12/19/06, Richard Ramsowr > wrote: > > > > With some regret, it?s time to let my fellow > brethren > > within the mac community know of the retirement of > my > > aging but trusted copy of Appleworks 6.2.9. In > favor > > of the latest copy of Pages 2.02 which I have been > > learning and using for the last few months! > > Why? She runs well on 10.4.8 and OS 9 (6.2.8). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From edit at ejourney.com Wed Dec 20 03:59:32 2006 From: edit at ejourney.com (Amy Morris) Date: Wed Dec 20 03:50:41 2006 Subject: [G4] Hard Drive upgrade in a G4 QS In-Reply-To: <121520060427.19091.4582241800085ADE00004A9322007610640A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> References: <121520060427.19091.4582241800085ADE00004A9322007610640A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Message-ID: <458925A4.2000608@ejourney.com> This machine was previously set up to start in OS 9.2 and it did so for years. As soon as I changed the hard drive and tried to reinstall the operating systems I ran into the difficulty. I'm working on this machine for someone else. nagable@comcast.net wrote: >I have always had trouble starting my QS 2002 in Classic. Classic runs fine alongside all the OS X versions, but only on rare occasions was I able to force a startup in OS 9. I had to do it when i installed the processor upgrade (Sonnet dual 1.8 GHz). I managed it by reinstalling 9.2.2. I don't know why you would need to start up on 9 when it runs side by side with OS X anyway. > >nate > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: Amy Morris > > >>I meant to say partitioned... >> >>Amy Morris wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello everyone, >>> >>>I'm new to the list and joined because I'm trying to find a solution >>>to a problem I'm having with a G4 QS. I upgraded the hard drive to a >>>Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 PATA 320 gb. The machine is fine in X, but >>>will not start up in classic. I'm not sure if it is an issue with how >>>the drive is partioned, or something I've never even thought of. >>> >>>Any ideas? >>> >>>Thanks for any help you can give. >>> >>>Amy >>>_______________________________________________ >>>G4 mailing list >>>G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >>> >>>Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>G4 mailing list >>G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >>Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> > > > > From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Wed Dec 20 05:45:19 2006 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Wed Dec 20 05:45:26 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 20/12/2006 3:59 PM, "Peter Birren" wrote: > From: Da New Guy, Tony Johansen :-) >> >> 500,000 page book in Pages > > That's a BIG book! Took 6 years to produce my puny 116-page astronomy > viewing list. > > - Peter OOPS! did I say that? 500,000 words is what I meant. And that is plenty big enough. I figure on another 3 years before finishing. Even I am not crazy enough to attempt that many pages :-) Tony http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art From dancurr at frontiernet.net Wed Dec 20 06:11:27 2006 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Wed Dec 20 06:11:45 2006 Subject: [G4] Printer ? May be OT Message-ID: <4589448F.1010003@frontiernet.net> Hello, I am driving a Mac MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 320 GB HD / OS X.4.8 with an HP 5510 All In One Printer Scanner Fax attached with a USB cable. Strange problem - I was trying to print a homemade certificate that I made using a "grayed" drawing with the words overlaid. It seems to print fine EXCEPT that the drawing is a light bluish green - NOT gray and I can find no way of telling it to Print In Gray scale. Also when I try to print color images the colors DO NOT match the image? I have changed the color and black inks several times to no avail. HELP! Dan Currie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20061220/331e85eb/attachment.html From G-2 at att.net Wed Dec 20 06:39:22 2006 From: G-2 at att.net (Slip Kid) Date: Wed Dec 20 06:39:42 2006 Subject: [G4] Re: Installing Tiger In-Reply-To: <20061219213318.1B8BD626F45@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061219213318.1B8BD626F45@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <45894B1A.6090405@att.net> An alternate method [?] My G4 GE (used) came w/a 20Gig drive & 10.3.9. I wanted a large drive & Tiger. A. I simply 'added' a 120Gig drive, cloned the old disc contents (keeping all the apps and 10.3X on the 'new' drive). B. I then rebooted to the 'new drive' & installed 10.4 on the new drive. So, the new drive (120Gig) had 10.4 and the old small drive had 10.3X PLUS all the apps. I stayed 'in' the new drive and continued to add apps to the new (10.4) disc. (I've since done the same 'switch' on the small drive...keeping the original 10.3 on Drive '1', my 2nd drive) Anyway, even with the older OS & many apps on the 'non-boot' drive I can execute any app installed prior to the 'clone(s)'. Though I need not access the old OS, I thought it worth mentioning that it was NOT necessary to re-install any of the many apps on the 'original' drive. I will install 10.4 on the 2nd drive as well, but for now I am able to boot to either drive and and have an OS. The point? Since an OS occupies little space (and drives are cheap & the G4 has 'size limits per drive') I've found it best to have and OS on 2 drives as even each can operate as the 'boot' & all apps function. Should there be a problem with one drive it's possible to boot to the alternate drive & often any 'fix' is easier with a full set of tools (on each drive) to attack an problem on the other drive. FYI, I've fond SuperDuper does a fine (not fast) job of 'cloning' one disc to another. From trinzitter at sympatico.ca Wed Dec 20 06:45:33 2006 From: trinzitter at sympatico.ca (Trinzitter Sanwick) Date: Wed Dec 20 06:46:24 2006 Subject: [G4] Hard Drive upgrade in a G4 QS In-Reply-To: <458925A4.2000608@ejourney.com> References: <121520060427.19091.4582241800085ADE00004A9322007610640A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> <458925A4.2000608@ejourney.com> Message-ID: <76F7390C-110B-497F-90B8-AAE83E0B1D5D@sympatico.ca> Amy, When you formatted the new drive, were you careful to check that "Install Mac OS 9 Disk Driver" was checked? The old OS will not boot without having that driver on the hard drive. - Tony On 20-Dec-06, at 6:59 AM, Amy Morris wrote: > This machine was previously set up to start in OS 9.2 and it did so > for years. As soon as I changed the hard drive and tried to > reinstall the operating systems I ran into the difficulty. I'm > working on this machine for someone else. > > nagable@comcast.net wrote: > >> I have always had trouble starting my QS 2002 in Classic. Classic >> runs fine alongside all the OS X versions, but only on rare >> occasions was I able to force a startup in OS 9. I had to do it >> when i installed the processor upgrade (Sonnet dual 1.8 GHz). I >> managed it by reinstalling 9.2.2. I don't know why you would need >> to start up on 9 when it runs side by side with OS X anyway. >> >> nate >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: Amy Morris From douglist at macnauchtan.com Wed Dec 20 07:25:55 2006 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Wed Dec 20 07:26:03 2006 Subject: [G4] AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 00:45 +1100 12/21/06, Tony Johansen wrote: > 500,000 words is what I meant. And that is plenty big enough. I figure on another 3 years before finishing. Even I am not crazy enough to attempt that many pages :-) Methinks that you had better plan on keeping OS 10.4 around. Do you really think that OS 10.7 will still be supporting documents written in that ancient word processor - "Pages"? -- --> The message came to Abraham that he would beget a son. Sarah, who was behind the door, laughed. <-- From harry at gifutiger.com Wed Dec 20 07:46:17 2006 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed Dec 20 07:46:28 2006 Subject: [G4] Printer ? May be OT In-Reply-To: <4589448F.1010003@frontiernet.net> References: <4589448F.1010003@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <9900699a7a7fdcb487fdbc6c20d9ed9a@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Problems corrected by cleaning: Missing colors or cartridge problems If you are experiencing problems with printouts missing a color or other ink cartridge related issues, click here to link to document: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document? lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=311255&rule=32502&lang=en&docname=bpu02176# ---------------------------------------------------- On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:11 AM, Dan A Currie wrote: > Hello, > > I am driving a Mac MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 320 GB HD / OS > X.4.8 with an HP 5510 All In One Printer Scanner Fax attached with a > USB cable. > > Strange problem - I was trying to print a? homemade certificate that > I made using a ?grayed? drawing with the words overlaid. > > It seems to print fine EXCEPT that the drawing is a light bluish > green - NOT gray and I can find no way of telling it to Print In Gray > scale.? Also when I try to print color images the colors DO NOT match > the image? > > I have changed the color and black inks several times to no avail.? > HELP! > > Dan Currie _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Phil From philip.robar at gmail.com Mon Dec 18 23:39:07 2006 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Wed Dec 20 08:13:44 2006 Subject: [G4] Wireless Security In-Reply-To: <49695.1166463888@strodtbeck.org> References: <49695.1166463888@strodtbeck.org> Message-ID: <7D6A7B5B-9D8F-49D3-8AB5-FC1A54949693@gmail.com> On Dec 18, 2006, at 11:44 AM, russells@strodtbeck.org wrote: > I have a Motorola Wireless WPC1810G card installed in my G4. It > works fine. The problem I am trying to solve is setting the > security in the card. Since this is running on apple software, I > have not figured out how to access the card since all software for > the card is PC. I want to encrypt the wireless router and the > wireless card since both have to have the same security encryption. You don't set anything "in" the card. All of the security settings should be handled by Apple's wireless networking software. After you turn on security in the router you should be prompted for the password or pass phrase when you try to connect. Phil From dancurr at frontiernet.net Wed Dec 20 08:18:21 2006 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Wed Dec 20 08:18:38 2006 Subject: [G4] Printer ? May be OT In-Reply-To: <9900699a7a7fdcb487fdbc6c20d9ed9a@gifutiger.com> References: <4589448F.1010003@frontiernet.net> <9900699a7a7fdcb487fdbc6c20d9ed9a@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: <4589624D.2030503@frontiernet.net> Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > > Problems corrected by cleaning: > > Missing colors or cartridge problems > If you are experiencing problems with printouts missing a color or > other ink cartridge related issues, click here to link to document: > http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=311255&rule=32502&lang=en&docname=bpu02176# > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > THANK YOU! Now to see if it worked!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20061220/54ff07f7/attachment.html From peter at birrendesign.com Wed Dec 20 08:31:35 2006 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Wed Dec 20 08:30:04 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: <519975.2625.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: From: Richard Ramsowr > > You can import documents and media files that were > created using other applications into a Pages document. Thanks, Richard. That answered a lot of unasked questions. Merry Christmas to all, - Peter From peter at birrendesign.com Wed Dec 20 09:37:13 2006 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Wed Dec 20 09:35:06 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Tony Johansen > > 500,000 words is what I meant. :-) > Tony > http://www.tonyjohansen.com > A Life Of Art Nice stuff! - Peter http://www.birrendesign.com From symlkrborn at yahoo.com Wed Dec 20 10:10:23 2006 From: symlkrborn at yahoo.com (s. yaz) Date: Wed Dec 20 10:11:11 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... Message-ID: <20061220181023.5868.qmail@web61319.mail.yahoo.com> TONY HI! impressed with your efforts as jack of all trades (renaissance man!) in creative world! why neorealism rooted in bar scenes and theatrical production? You live in the bastion of surrealism--aboriginal dreamworks , ancestoral lands etc. why not link with it? Can you put me contact with art producing collectives in ancestoral lands from which i can buy directly -- paintings-- with my student budget. Australian dealers in Art Basel were as greedy as their american counterparts. Bastards! very frustrating! PS. I responded to u in other tread but machintoshguy the editor applied censorship and cut me off. hope this reaches u! tia ( thnx in advance) ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Birren To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:37:13 PM Subject: Re: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... From: Tony Johansen > > 500,000 words is what I meant. :-) > Tony > http://www.tonyjohansen.com > A Life Of Art Nice stuff! - Peter http://www.birrendesign.com _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20061220/b8f7b359/attachment.html From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Wed Dec 20 11:43:55 2006 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Wed Dec 20 11:44:04 2006 Subject: [G4] (G4) AppleWorks 6.2.9 - the end of an era... In-Reply-To: <20061220181023.5868.qmail@web61319.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 21/12/2006 5:10 AM, "s. yaz" wrote: > TONY > HI! impressed with your efforts as jack of all trades (renaissance man!) in > creative world! > why neorealism rooted in bar scenes and theatrical production? You live in > the bastion of surrealism--aboriginal dreamworks , ancestoral lands etc. why > not link with it? > Can you put me contact with art producing collectives in ancestoral lands from > which i can buy directly -- paintings-- with my student budget. Australian > dealers in Art Basel were as greedy as their american counterparts. Bastards! > very frustrating! > > > > Now this is extremely off topic here and I will reply directly but for all > others who may be interested I am afraid that the so-called Aboriginal > ancestral work is just as ludicrously priced here with greed from top to > bottom being the operative word. > > Thank you (and Peter) for the kind words about my art. I have an exhibition > coming up in Los Angeles, with a high portion of the work being made digitally > on my trusty old eMac. > Tony http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20061221/88d6380b/attachment.html From jruuska at aol.com Wed Dec 20 15:24:41 2006 From: jruuska at aol.com (Jay Ruuska) Date: Wed Dec 20 15:25:01 2006 Subject: [G4] SCSI Help, please In-Reply-To: <895897C2-664C-4CEB-91DB-06B5296AB842@mac.com> Message-ID: I'm with Earnest on this one. Just because new stuff is cheaper does not mean you should throw perfectly good equipment in the landfill. In most cases, obsolescence is just a lack of imagination. Also, the Alps MD-1300 is not an ordinary printer. It prints high-gloss metallic ink, opaque white, and other things no regular inkjet or laser printer can possibly do. So it's worth saving. I happen to have one, and I'd like to get it running under OS X for convenience sake. Please let us know how you fare Earnest. - Jay Ruuska > From: Ernest Vincent Pons-Worley > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:32:02 -0800 > To: "g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com" > Cc: Ernest Vincent Pons-Worley > Subject: [G4] SCSI Help, please > > I have a dual 450 MHz processor Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) with 960 > MB RAM and two internal HDDs: a 100 GB running Tiger 10.4.8 and an 80 > GB running OS 9.2.2 (dual boot). > > I'm trying to retire a 1998-vintage old world beige G3. However, I > don't want to lose my investment in SCSI peripherals, which work just > fine: a UMAX Astra 1200S scanner and an Alps MD-1300 printer. > > I bought an Adaptec SCSI card, which works fine in the G4 with either > OS. Unfortunately the system sees the scanner but not the printer > and I can only use the scanner when I boot into OS 9--it won't run > under classic and there is no OS X driver that I could find for this > scanner. I did find a driver for the Alps printer (ppmtoppd), but I > can't figure out how to compile, link and install it. > > I was able to use this scanner in the past on the G3 running Ubuntu > Linux; therefore, I know that SANE (or was it XSANE?) and gimp work > with it. Unfortunately I can't get Fink Commander to install either > the SANE front or backend or gimp on the G4. The install aborts > complaining about wrong dependencies (or something like that). > > The instructions for installing the printer from Linuxprinting.org > using foomatic are even worse--daunting, in fact. Before diving into > what looks like a computer science masters thesis, I would appreciate > any clues anyone could give me that would help me get the scanner and/ > or printer working. Thanks! > > Ernest > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From senseamp at yahoo.com Thu Dec 21 11:37:11 2006 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Thu Dec 21 11:37:21 2006 Subject: [G4] G5 at Goodwill somewhere In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <692799.56069.qm@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Hi chip puller, Sorry for the slow response, but it just occured to me to ask HOW you re-write the boot rom code? I wanted to do that with my G4 AGP 350MHz to see if that corrects my firewire problem. John --- chip puller wrote: > 4. I rewrote the boot rom code and got the message > it was replaced and then > booted off of the OSX 10.3 cd and got KP in about 2 > minutes after booting > off of the cd ______________