[G4] G5 at Goodwill somewhere

[chip puller]

First things first.
1.  I removed all of the ram chips and have tried single ram chips in each 
of the sockets and still get kernal panic.
2. I replaced the HD with a brand new HD and installed OS 10.3 and still get 
KP a lot.
3. I erased the pram about 50 times and still get KP
4. I rewrote the boot rom code and got the message it was replaced and then 
booted off of the OSX 10.3 cd and got KP in about 2 minutes after booting 
off of the cd
5. I reseated the processor daughterboard and all of the cables and still 
got KP too many times to count.
6. I took the new HD out of the POS mirror door and put it in my G3 blue and 
white  no KP
7. I reinstalled OS 10.3 on the blue and white and it took 54 minutes to 
reinstall what ever was missing. I ran the blue and white over 5 hours with 
no KP of any kind

Fact. I suspect the G4 logic board is flakey since reinstalling the boot rom 
did not fix the KP problem
I also suspect the factory CD rom in the POS mirror door G4 is bad as some 
times when I check the system profiler there are no devices on that bus even 
though the CD drive door opens and it will recognize a CD if one is put in 
the drive.
  This mirror door G4 is the first computer that I have ever wanted to put 
out of it's misery in 26 years of computer repair. I thought some of the 
earlier 286 pee cee processor clone computers were junk from the factory but 
Apple dropped the ball trying to make the G-4 processor computers different 
then their other models just to make people want to buy them because the end 
user was too stupid to realize that Apple was screwing them. The G-4 upgrade 
for the Blue and white G-3 comes to mind. I have a first revision G-3 and 
will never upgrade it's boot rom for that reason. Sorry Apple but dropping 
the ball doesn't make me want to upgrade to a G-5 and I never will. (unless 
I find a used G-5 at Goodwill somewhere)
   Al




>From: Kevin Willis <res19rmg at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." 
><g4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
>To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." 
><g4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
>Subject: Re: [G4] Kernal Panic, then crash
>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:18:47 -0500
>
>
>On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:08 AM, Rick Smykla wrote:
>
>>Steve,
>>
>>Well, to me KPs almost always indicate hardware issues. Sounds like  you 
>>have a couple of components you could try removing one at a  time to help 
>>diagnose the problem. The memory issue you mention  raises a red flag, you 
>>may want to start there, removing one at a  time. USB2 also worth 
>>checking. What is the most recent hardware  change that you made to the 
>>QS? Sounds like the CPU may be fine,  given the solid performance you've 
>>had so far, but keep it in mind  if you're not able to eliminate the KPs 
>>after checking other  possibilities.
>>
>
>When I upgraded the CPU in my Gigiabit G4, The heat-sink clips were  on 
>backwards.  It sounds like no big deal, but I had KPs happening  until I 
>turned them around.
>
>http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/kernelpanics.html  This is a link to a  page 
>that might be of some help.
>
>Good luck
>
>Kevin
>
>
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