From MegaSTMac at aol.com  Wed Nov  1 05:25:12 2006
From: MegaSTMac at aol.com (MegaSTMac@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov  1 05:25:36 2006
Subject: [G4] flash drive question (again)
Message-ID: <cd9.1c3c10b.3279fa38@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/31/06 11:42:01 PM, ronsteinke@mac.com writes:

<< >  I move and or open OS9 files in 10.3.9 all the time with no  
> confusion at all. I've done that within the same machine,

Which OS were you booted into at the time? IIRC, you said that you  
were having the problem of viewing the files when you moved them to a  
different machine?>>

It wasn't me that was having a problem, but another poster who said he 
couldn't use files created in OS9 in OSX when he transferred them via a flash drive, 
IIRC. I responded that I do it all the time. I can view files created in OSX 
or OS9 in the other OS, "as long as I have a compatible program to view them 
with".

<<If you took (by using a flash drive or CD) the file to a different  
machine that didn't have the Classic environment installed, you would  
have had to open the file in OS-X and had to re-save it a form that  
would be recognized by the system.>>

 It makes no difference which OS I'm in. I can open and view the same PDF 
file in OS9 or OSX with the appropriate Adobe Reader program. Same with 
GraphicConverter, QuickStart Publisher, etc. I know it's a fine point, but it's not the 
OS. It's the application that makes the difference. Maybe you are referring 
to the creator code which tells the computer which program to open and use, for 
that particular file. Even if you are referring to that, it's still not the 
OS. Just now, (I'm running 10.3.9 right now) I double clicked on a graphic file 
I saved/created in OS9. It's on my OS9 partition. I've never opened it in 
OSX. The OSX version of GraphicConverter booted and opened the file. 

<<The problem appears to me to be a disparity in OS versions on  
different machines, but maybe I'm wrong on that point. >>

HTH
STeve
From brian at arsismusic.com  Fri Nov  3 07:12:31 2006
From: brian at arsismusic.com (Brian at Arsis Music)
Date: Fri Nov  3 07:13:07 2006
Subject: [G4] Mac Pro
In-Reply-To: <cd9.1c3c10b.3279fa38@aol.com>
Message-ID: <015401c6ff5a$81254240$0401a8c0@lounge>


Is there list specifically for the MacPro or should I use the G5 list?
My MacPro is scheduled for delivery today(yea!!).  I wish to remain on
the G4 list as I will be keeping my windtunnel as well.

Brian
http://www.arsismusic.com


From unclad at cox.net  Fri Nov  3 09:58:45 2006
From: unclad at cox.net (C)
Date: Fri Nov  3 09:58:50 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working 
Message-ID: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>

Hi there,

I have a DP 1.25ghz  MDD and am having ethernet problems. The built in 
ethernet port is basically not working and extremely slow. Under System 
Preferences / Network / Network Status it shows the green dot and 
states that its active, gives the IP address and connected to the 
internet via built in ethernet. I am connected using DHCP. It will 
check mail (takes 5-10 minutes) but a web page takes forever to load if 
it even will at all.

I have switched cables, reset PRAM and NVRAM, verified and repaired 
permissions, deleted all plists regarding network and the like, 
reconfigured it numerous times, and no luck. Do you think this is a 
software or hardware problem?

This MDD is new to me from as I am upgrading from my G4 AGP Graphics 
(which worked perfect on the same ethernet cable)

I have done everything I can think of and searched all sorts of blogs, 
articles, etc and can't seem to find a solution (other than installing 
a pci ethernet card). Anyone else ever encounter this problem? If I 
install an apple oem 10/100 pci ethernet card will it work at the same 
speed as the built in? Thanks in advance for your help.

Casey
-----
Enjoy all life has to offer, one day at a time.

Contact:
2AzBoys@cox.net

From dilloman at armadillo-press.com  Fri Nov  3 10:08:34 2006
From: dilloman at armadillo-press.com (J. R. Rosen)
Date: Fri Nov  3 10:13:53 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working 
In-Reply-To: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>
References: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>
Message-ID: <67DD81C5-E895-4423-B661-3358CE6DBE0D@armadillo-press.com>


On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:58 AM, C wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I have a DP 1.25ghz  MDD and am having ethernet problems. The built  
> in ethernet port is basically not working and extremely slow. Under  
> System Preferences / Network / Network Status it shows the green  
> dot and states that its active, gives the IP address and connected  
> to the internet via built in ethernet. I am connected using DHCP.  
> It will check mail (takes 5-10 minutes) but a web page takes  
> forever to load if it even will at all.
>
> I have switched cables, reset PRAM and NVRAM, verified and repaired  
> permissions, deleted all plists regarding network and the like,  
> reconfigured it numerous times, and no luck. Do you think this is a  
> software or hardware problem?
>
> This MDD is new to me from as I am upgrading from my G4 AGP  
> Graphics (which worked perfect on the same ethernet cable)
>
> I have done everything I can think of and searched all sorts of  
> blogs, articles, etc and can't seem to find a solution (other than  
> installing a pci ethernet card). Anyone else ever encounter this  
> problem? If I install an apple oem 10/100 pci ethernet card will it  
> work at the same speed as the built in? Thanks in advance for your  
> help.
>
> Casey

Casey, it sounds to me like your modem or router needs to be reset.

Power it/them off for about 30 seconds, them power them back on - you  
may need to restart your computer as well.

Try this before spending bucks on PCI cards.  It's the cheapest fix  
you can do.

J. R. Rosen
Armadillo Press-Printing & Graphics
305 Wells Fargo Dr., Suite 4
Houston, TX 77090
281-586-9383 (phone)
281-586-9876 (fax)
281-467-5366 (cell)
dilloman@armadillo-press.com
www.armadillo-press.com


From chris at guthmultimedia.com  Fri Nov  3 10:25:22 2006
From: chris at guthmultimedia.com (Christopher Guth)
Date: Fri Nov  3 10:25:30 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working
In-Reply-To: <67DD81C5-E895-4423-B661-3358CE6DBE0D@armadillo-press.com>
References: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>
	<67DD81C5-E895-4423-B661-3358CE6DBE0D@armadillo-press.com>
Message-ID: <42598.160.79.50.62.1162578322.squirrel@www.guthmultimedia.com>

My two cents: Have you tried booting up from a CD (even a OS 9 CD), just
to see if that resolves the problem?  Or perhaps using a clean install on
a separate HD or partition?  The logic is trying to isolate the problem. 
Maybe something got corrupt?  If it happens on a clean install, then it's
probably a hardware problem.

-- 
Christopher Guth
Art Director/Interactive Designer
www.guthmultimedia.com

----------------------------------------
>> I have a DP 1.25ghz  MDD and am having ethernet problems. The built
>> in ethernet port is basically not working and extremely slow.

From unclad at cox.net  Fri Nov  3 10:38:16 2006
From: unclad at cox.net (C)
Date: Fri Nov  3 10:38:24 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working 
In-Reply-To: <67DD81C5-E895-4423-B661-3358CE6DBE0D@armadillo-press.com>
References: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>
	<67DD81C5-E895-4423-B661-3358CE6DBE0D@armadillo-press.com>
Message-ID: <9a7533f9a9476307418233b62f00234b@cox.net>

J.R.,

Thank you for the suggestion but I already gave that a try more times 
than I can remember in the midst of trying everything else! I am 
considering an Apple 10/100 PCI ethernet card on ebay for $1 so if I 
have to use plan B it won't cost too much at least! Thanks again.

Casey
-----
Its not how much you earn, but how you spend it.

Contact:
2AzBoys@cox.net

> Hi there,
>
> I have a DP 1.25ghz  MDD and am having ethernet problems. The built in 
> ethernet port is basically not working and extremely slow. Under 
> System Preferences / Network / Network Status it shows the green dot 
> and states that its active, gives the IP address and connected to the 
> internet via built in ethernet. I am connected using DHCP. It will 
> check mail (takes 5-10 minutes) but a web page takes forever to load 
> if it even will at all.
>
> I have switched cables, reset PRAM and NVRAM, verified and repaired 
> permissions, deleted all plists regarding network and the like, 
> reconfigured it numerous times, and no luck. Do you think this is a 
> software or hardware problem?
>
> This MDD is new to me from as I am upgrading from my G4 AGP Graphics 
> (which worked perfect on the same ethernet cable)
>
> I have done everything I can think of and searched all sorts of blogs, 
> articles, etc and can't seem to find a solution (other than installing 
> a pci ethernet card). Anyone else ever encounter this problem? If I 
> install an apple oem 10/100 pci ethernet card will it work at the same 
> speed as the built in? Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Casey

Casey, it sounds to me like your modem or router needs to be reset.

Power it/them off for about 30 seconds, them power them back on - you 
may need to restart your computer as well.

Try this before spending bucks on PCI cards.  It's the cheapest fix you 
can do.

J. R. Rosen
Armadillo Press-Printing & Graphics
305 Wells Fargo Dr., Suite 4
Houston, TX 77090
281-586-9383 (phone)
281-586-9876 (fax)
281-467-5366 (cell)
dilloman@armadillo-press.com
www.armadillo-press.com

From wogears at fast.net  Fri Nov  3 10:50:53 2006
From: wogears at fast.net (Les Berkley)
Date: Fri Nov  3 10:51:01 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working 
In-Reply-To: <9a7533f9a9476307418233b62f00234b@cox.net>
Message-ID: <001901c6ff78$fd3c8c80$2901a8c0@Flaptop>

Hi!

Hate to suggest the obvious, but have you tried another machine on the same
line? This would be the first thing, to determine if machine or ISP/Net was
at fault.

Les


> -----Original Message-----
> From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-
> bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of C
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 1:38 PM
> To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers.
> Subject: Re: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working
> 
> J.R.,
> 
> Thank you for the suggestion but I already gave that a try more times
> than I can remember in the midst of trying everything else! I am
> considering an Apple 10/100 PCI ethernet card on ebay for $1 so if I
> have to use plan B it won't cost too much at least! Thanks again.
> 
> Casey

-- 
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From rich at richardklein.org  Fri Nov  3 11:18:48 2006
From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein)
Date: Fri Nov  3 11:17:49 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working
In-Reply-To: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>
References: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>
Message-ID: <454B9618.7010803@richardklein.org>

C wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have a DP 1.25ghz  MDD and am having ethernet problems. The built in 
> ethernet port is basically not working and extremely slow. Under System 
> Preferences / Network / Network Status it shows the green dot and states 
> that its active, gives the IP address and connected to the internet via 
> built in ethernet. I am connected using DHCP. It will check mail (takes 
> 5-10 minutes) but a web page takes forever to load if it even will at all.
> 
> I have switched cables, reset PRAM and NVRAM, verified and repaired 
> permissions, deleted all plists regarding network and the like, 
> reconfigured it numerous times, and no luck. Do you think this is a 
> software or hardware problem?
> 
> This MDD is new to me from as I am upgrading from my G4 AGP Graphics 
> (which worked perfect on the same ethernet cable)
> 
> I have done everything I can think of and searched all sorts of blogs, 
> articles, etc and can't seem to find a solution (other than installing a 
> pci ethernet card). Anyone else ever encounter this problem? If I 
> install an apple oem 10/100 pci ethernet card will it work at the same 
> speed as the built in? Thanks in advance for your help.

Make sure you've got the latest firmware available for your router.

Also, sometimes when I reboot my router it freaks out and thinks my Mac 
is trying to spoof another computers MAC address.  Resetting the 
router's DHCP server and releasing/renewing the IP lease on the Mac 
clears that up.  Also, when I put name in the network settings window (I 
forget exactly what that screen calls it, and I'm not on my Mac right 
now) my Mac reports 2 different MAC addresses to the router.  Bizarre.

Anyway, make sure the latest firmware is installed, reset the router's 
DHCP service, release/renew the IP lease on your MDD, and clear any name 
from that box if there's one there.

-- 
Rich
From unclad at cox.net  Fri Nov  3 11:18:12 2006
From: unclad at cox.net (C)
Date: Fri Nov  3 11:18:19 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working 
In-Reply-To: <001901c6ff78$fd3c8c80$2901a8c0@Flaptop>
References: <001901c6ff78$fd3c8c80$2901a8c0@Flaptop>
Message-ID: <21438613c3e84b1e29b0bfbe2870be6d@cox.net>

Les,

Yes, I have. My AGP and a PC both work perfect with the same line. Its 
just the MDD that doesn't want to cooperate!

Casey
-----
Choices. ?Decisions. ?Consequences.
Take responsibility for your actions.

Contact:
2AzBoys@cox.net

On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:50 AM, Les Berkley wrote:

Hi!

Hate to suggest the obvious, but have you tried another machine on the 
same
line? This would be the first thing, to determine if machine or ISP/Net 
was
at fault.

Les

From unclad at cox.net  Fri Nov  3 11:24:06 2006
From: unclad at cox.net (C)
Date: Fri Nov  3 11:24:15 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working
In-Reply-To: <42598.160.79.50.62.1162578322.squirrel@www.guthmultimedia.com>
References: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>
	<67DD81C5-E895-4423-B661-3358CE6DBE0D@armadillo-press.com>
	<42598.160.79.50.62.1162578322.squirrel@www.guthmultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <255a71084f3f39585cda1530746b198a@cox.net>

Chris,

The MDD had a clean install of OS 10.3.9 and 9.2.2 and still didn't 
work. Also tried the CD, same thing with no luck. It shows that its 
connected, just won't work (at least not like it should). Even did an 
internet speed test on an AGP and PC connected to the same network and 
they both were blazing fast. Its just an issue with the MDD for some 
reason. My guess is that its the built in ethernet port but I don't 
have any way to physically test it, just trial and error.

Thanks for the suggestions though, Casey.
-----
Simplify your life...do less have more!

Contact:
2AzBoys@cox.net

On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Christopher Guth wrote:

My two cents: Have you tried booting up from a CD (even a OS 9 CD), just
to see if that resolves the problem?  Or perhaps using a clean install 
on
a separate HD or partition?  The logic is trying to isolate the problem.
Maybe something got corrupt?  If it happens on a clean install, then 
it's
probably a hardware problem.

-- 
Christopher Guth
Art Director/Interactive Designer
www.guthmultimedia.com

From briang113 at pacbell.net  Fri Nov  3 11:50:38 2006
From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G)
Date: Fri Nov  3 11:50:47 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working
In-Reply-To: <255a71084f3f39585cda1530746b198a@cox.net>
References: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>
	<67DD81C5-E895-4423-B661-3358CE6DBE0D@armadillo-press.com>
	<42598.160.79.50.62.1162578322.squirrel@www.guthmultimedia.com>
	<255a71084f3f39585cda1530746b198a@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4364C1EF-2EBD-43A6-8173-B8E5616CE05A@pacbell.net>

Try using the Network Utility in the Applications/Utilities folder.

This will tell you the speed the NIC is using, errors etc.

You can get a lot of info from the Netstat tab

Good luck

BG

On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:24 AM, C wrote:

> Chris,
>
> The MDD had a clean install of OS 10.3.9 and 9.2.2 and still didn't  
> work. Also tried the CD, same thing with no luck. It shows that its  
> connected, just won't work (at least not like it should). Even did  
> an internet speed test on an AGP and PC connected to the same  
> network and they both were blazing fast. Its just an issue with the  
> MDD for some reason. My guess is that its the built in ethernet  
> port but I don't have any way to physically test it, just trial and  
> error.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions though, Casey.
> -----
> Simplify your life...do less have more!
>
> Contact:
> 2AzBoys@cox.net
>
> On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Christopher Guth wrote:
>
> My two cents: Have you tried booting up from a CD (even a OS 9 CD),  
> just
> to see if that resolves the problem?  Or perhaps using a clean  
> install on
> a separate HD or partition?  The logic is trying to isolate the  
> problem.
> Maybe something got corrupt?  If it happens on a clean install,  
> then it's
> probably a hardware problem.
>
> -- 
> Christopher Guth
> Art Director/Interactive Designer
> www.guthmultimedia.com
>
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>
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random  
> stuff:
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From harry at gifutiger.com  Fri Nov  3 12:00:36 2006
From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman)
Date: Fri Nov  3 12:00:54 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working 
In-Reply-To: <21438613c3e84b1e29b0bfbe2870be6d@cox.net>
References: <001901c6ff78$fd3c8c80$2901a8c0@Flaptop>
	<21438613c3e84b1e29b0bfbe2870be6d@cox.net>
Message-ID: <54b5f4ee245ae180b94619829398e560@gifutiger.com>

Greetings ( + )!( + )

If you have the AGP and the MDD collocated have you tried connection 
the two together via the ethernet-net port to test the ether-net 
connection?
----------------------------------------------------

On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:18 AM, C wrote:

> Les,
>
> Yes, I have. My AGP and a PC both work perfect with the same line. Its 
> just the MDD that doesn't want to cooperate!
>
> Casey
> -----
> Choices. ?Decisions. ?Consequences.
> Take responsibility for your actions.
>
> Contact:
> 2AzBoys@cox.net
>
> On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:50 AM, Les Berkley wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Hate to suggest the obvious, but have you tried another machine on the 
> same
> line? This would be the first thing, to determine if machine or 
> ISP/Net was
> at fault.
>
> Les
> _______________________________________________


Cheers, /\*_*/\

Harry (*^_^*)
* If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? 
Congress!
Men's restroom House of Representatives,
Washington, DC

From harry at gifutiger.com  Fri Nov  3 12:25:52 2006
From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman)
Date: Fri Nov  3 12:25:59 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not working 
In-Reply-To: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>
References: <44907c5eb867d406da67b3114808888b@cox.net>
Message-ID: <00b32cb4c3a9564f6f755fd17b746841@gifutiger.com>

Greetings ( + )!( + )

Casey, links to Apple usually don't work but try this one, perhaps it 
will offer some help.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106796

If it's doesn't work the search http://www.apple.com/support/ for "slow 
ethernet connection"
----------------------------------------------------

On Nov 3, 2006, at 9:58 AM, C wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I have a DP 1.25ghz  MDD and am having ethernet problems. The built in 
> ethernet port is basically not working and extremely slow. Under 
> System Preferences / Network / Network Status it shows the green dot 
> and states that its active, gives the IP address and connected to the 
> internet via built in ethernet. I am connected using DHCP. It will 
> check mail (takes 5-10 minutes) but a web page takes forever to load 
> if it even will at all.
>
> I have switched cables, reset PRAM and NVRAM, verified and repaired 
> permissions, deleted all plists regarding network and the like, 
> reconfigured it numerous times, and no luck. Do you think this is a 
> software or hardware problem?
>
> This MDD is new to me from as I am upgrading from my G4 AGP Graphics 
> (which worked perfect on the same ethernet cable)
>
> I have done everything I can think of and searched all sorts of blogs, 
> articles, etc and can't seem to find a solution (other than installing 
> a pci ethernet card). Anyone else ever encounter this problem? If I 
> install an apple oem 10/100 pci ethernet card will it work at the same 
> speed as the built in? Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Casey
> -----
> Enjoy all life has to offer, one day at a time.
>
> Contact:
> 2AzBoys@cox.net
> _______________________________________________


Cheers, /\*_*/\

Harry (*^_^*)
* If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? 
Congress!
Men's restroom House of Representatives,
Washington, DC

From ben.smith at ntlworld.com  Fri Nov  3 13:00:22 2006
From: ben.smith at ntlworld.com (Ben Smith)
Date: Fri Nov  3 13:00:42 2006
Subject: [G4] DP MDD 1.25 ghz built in ethernet (sort of) not,working
In-Reply-To: <20061103200055.6612838463B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20061103200055.6612838463B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <454BADE6.2020007@ntlworld.com>


> On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:58 AM, C wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I have a DP 1.25ghz  MDD and am having ethernet problems. The built  
>> in ethernet port is basically not working and extremely slow. Under  
>> System Preferences / Network / Network Status it shows the green  
>> dot and states that its active, gives the IP address and connected  
>> to the internet via built in ethernet. I am connected using DHCP.  
>> It will check mail (takes 5-10 minutes) but a web page takes  
>> forever to load if it even will at all.
>>
>> I have switched cables, reset PRAM and NVRAM, verified and repaired  
>> permissions, deleted all plists regarding network and the like,  
>> reconfigured it numerous times, and no luck. Do you think this is a  
>> software or hardware problem?
>>
>> This MDD is new to me from as I am upgrading from my G4 AGP  
>> Graphics (which worked perfect on the same ethernet cable)
>>
>> I have done everything I can think of and searched all sorts of  
>> blogs, articles, etc and can't seem to find a solution (other than  
>> installing a pci ethernet card). Anyone else ever encounter this  
>> problem? If I install an apple oem 10/100 pci ethernet card will it  
>> work at the same speed as the built in? Thanks in advance for your  
>> help.
>>
>> Casey
>>     
I have had similar problems with other Macs, my solution was to go into the network configuration and change the speed negotiation from 'Auto' to whatever my router was set for (varied as I changed my hardware often) I found that sometimes the Mac failed to correctly negotiate a connection with the router, try in the first instance setting it to 10mb half duplex, if this works then try 100mb half duplex, then if you are connecting to a switch rather than a basic hub you can try 100mb full duplex.
Ben.


From abrahambloom at verizon.net  Fri Nov  3 13:00:15 2006
From: abrahambloom at verizon.net (Abraham Bloom)
Date: Fri Nov  3 13:03:47 2006
Subject: [G4] G4 QuickSilver Dual 1ghz - Add a NIC  - OSX 10.
Message-ID: <79D7A1FB-FB19-4CFE-AAEE-6A7342D23C08@verizon.net>

Good Afternoon,

     I tried this and it did not work so I am looking for  
suggestions.   I simply plugged a PCI linksys card in and booted the  
machine.  The NIC was not see.  What am I doing wrong?

     THanks
	Abraham


From vharlow at ford.com  Fri Nov  3 13:49:32 2006
From: vharlow at ford.com (Harlow, Virginia (V.L.))
Date: Fri Nov  3 13:49:46 2006
Subject: [G4] Safest processor upgrade for G4 450 mHz - 
Message-ID: <F115EDE9E930014C9770470F4203495419B0BB@na1ecm05.DEARBORN.FORD.COM>

purchased 6-2000 not a dual processor.  

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Management
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From jj4 at sympatico.ca  Fri Nov  3 16:06:03 2006
From: jj4 at sympatico.ca (Snow White)
Date: Fri Nov  3 16:06:32 2006
Subject: [G4] Intel Mac Pro List
In-Reply-To: <20061103200055.00A10384635@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20061103200055.00A10384635@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <c3a5ada9dfab8a8fe6c1db0e17eb637e@sympatico.ca>

Macintel
http://groups.google.com/group/macintel

macintel@googlegroups.com

Brian:

As no one has replied to you, above is the list you search.  It is a 
google group set up by the Low End Mac people.  Not a bad list but not 
as active as the G4 list.

jj

From ramar.clayton at verizon.net  Fri Nov  3 18:48:28 2006
From: ramar.clayton at verizon.net (Ray Clayton)
Date: Fri Nov  3 18:49:35 2006
Subject: [G4] re flash drive question (again)
Message-ID: <C17169AC.400D5%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>

Gentlemen,

Thanks for all your input. I think I've determined that the problem is about
the two different OS's. So, finally, I'm upgrading my home computer to OS
10. I've always known this day was coming (sigh). I'll let everyone know
after the fact.

Thanks again,

Ray

From rich at richardklein.org  Sun Nov  5 06:15:08 2006
From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein)
Date: Sun Nov  5 06:15:11 2006
Subject: [G4] Backing up hard drive
Message-ID: <454DF1EC.5070407@richardklein.org>

I'm trying to help my sister (long-distance) replace the hard drive in 
her Gigabit Ethernet.

Tech Tool Pro 4 reported 869 bad blocks in a surface scan of her Western 
Digital WD400BB 40GB hard drive.  She has an external USB drive that's 
at least 40GB, so I'll have her format that, back everything up onto it, 
and then take it out of the external case and use it to replace the 
Western Digital drive.

How can she back it up so that, after putting the replacement drive into 
the Mac she can just boot directly from it?

Thanks!
-- 
Rich
From mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com  Sun Nov  5 06:36:28 2006
From: mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com (Doug Burton)
Date: Sun Nov  5 06:36:39 2006
Subject: [G4] Backing up hard drive
In-Reply-To: <454DF1EC.5070407@richardklein.org>
References: <454DF1EC.5070407@richardklein.org>
Message-ID: <a944e43bace1356133b423573e5cd009@roadrunner.com>


On Nov 5, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Richard Klein wrote:

> I'm trying to help my sister (long-distance) replace the hard drive in 
> her Gigabit Ethernet.
>
> Tech Tool Pro 4 reported 869 bad blocks in a surface scan of her 
> Western Digital WD400BB 40GB hard drive.  She has an external USB 
> drive that's at least 40GB, so I'll have her format that, back 
> everything up onto it, and then take it out of the external case and 
> use it to replace the Western Digital drive.
>
> How can she back it up so that, after putting the replacement drive 
> into the Mac she can just boot directly from it?
>
> Thanks!
> -- 
> Rich

Carbon Copy Cloner <http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html> should do 
what you want Rich.  Check it out.

Just a message from Doug...

From harry at gifutiger.com  Sun Nov  5 06:38:30 2006
From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman)
Date: Sun Nov  5 06:38:34 2006
Subject: [G4] Backing up hard drive
In-Reply-To: <454DF1EC.5070407@richardklein.org>
References: <454DF1EC.5070407@richardklein.org>
Message-ID: <57db94038b633ac786c12b7c47581039@gifutiger.com>

Greetings ( + )!( + )

Rich, just because Tech Tool Pro 4 has reported 869 bad blocks on the 
WD400BB doesn't mean that the disk needs to be removed from service.

What happens when a disk has bad blocks is that the control electronics 
will mark those blocks, not to be used. So that when data is written to 
the disk the bad disk are skipped during the write operation.

 From my history I can tell you a story about a Disk Drive that we were 
using from Control Data Corporation, that we were using for the logging 
of telephone call records. Our processing center keep complaining about 
bad data, so after conferring with Control Data Corporation it was 
discovered that when the disk was formatted that the "Bad Block Data" 
was being discarded instead of being written back onto the disk. Also 
when the disk maintenance operation was preformed the bad block data 
was discarded.

So Control Data Corporation corrected one of their sub-routines which 
then wrote the "Bad Block Data" back to the disk and all of our bad 
data went away.

So unless your sister is experiencing corrupted data I would advise her 
not to worry to much about the disk drive. However it's sill a good 
practice to back-up your disks whenever possible.
----------------------------------------------------

On Nov 5, 2006, at 6:15 AM, Richard Klein wrote:

> I'm trying to help my sister (long-distance) replace the hard drive in 
> her Gigabit Ethernet.
>
> Tech Tool Pro 4 reported 869 bad blocks in a surface scan of her 
> Western Digital WD400BB 40GB hard drive.  She has an external USB 
> drive that's at least 40GB, so I'll have her format that, back 
> everything up onto it, and then take it out of the external case and 
> use it to replace the Western Digital drive.
>
> How can she back it up so that, after putting the replacement drive 
> into the Mac she can just boot directly from it?
>
> Thanks!
> -- 
> Rich
> _______________________________________________


Cheers, /\*_*/\

Harry (*^_^*)
* If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? 
Congress!
Men's restroom House of Representatives,
Washington, DC

From michael at wbsnet.org  Sun Nov  5 06:47:17 2006
From: michael at wbsnet.org (R Michael Vogt)
Date: Sun Nov  5 06:47:28 2006
Subject: [G4] Backing up hard drive
In-Reply-To: <454DF1EC.5070407@richardklein.org>
References: <454DF1EC.5070407@richardklein.org>
Message-ID: <A34B1D13-1DAE-4893-99AC-4050CE1BB837@wbsnet.org>


On Nov 5, 2006, at 7:15 AM, Richard Klein wrote:

> I'm trying to help my sister (long-distance) replace the hard drive  
> in her Gigabit Ethernet.
>
> Tech Tool Pro 4 reported 869 bad blocks in a surface scan of her  
> Western Digital WD400BB 40GB hard drive.  She has an external USB  
> drive that's at least 40GB, so I'll have her format that, back  
> everything up onto it, and then take it out of the external case  
> and use it to replace the Western Digital drive.
>
> How can she back it up so that, after putting the replacement drive  
> into the Mac she can just boot directly from it?
>
> Thanks!
> -- 
> Rich

Hi Rich what Mac os is she using ?
  I used to use Carbon Cloner allot but I use the one in Utilities    
folder called Disk utilities all you have to do is go into the part  
that says restore  drag the old drive to the first box then drag the  
new drive to bottom box then hit restore it will be exact duplicate  
of the drive she use right now and will boot also .
then pull it out case then put in mac boot it up



Michael Vogt <><


From sng at cox.net  Sun Nov  5 07:10:26 2006
From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein)
Date: Sun Nov  5 07:10:45 2006
Subject: [G4] Backing up hard drive
In-Reply-To: <A34B1D13-1DAE-4893-99AC-4050CE1BB837@wbsnet.org>
References: <454DF1EC.5070407@richardklein.org>
	<A34B1D13-1DAE-4893-99AC-4050CE1BB837@wbsnet.org>
Message-ID: <p06230987c173ae20bf55@[192.168.1.101]>

That's a great tip, Michael.  I didn't know that you could do that!  THANKS!!

I have an external drive to which I back up changing files automatically every morning (around 3 AM) using ChronoSync.  It is not the only backup package; there is Retrospect, for example.  It is just the one that I happen to have used for several years.  But, the idea is that things that are subject to change (Documents, Preferences, Applications, my download folder, etc.) are backed up without manual intervention on my part.

Then, every so often, especially when a major system update comes along, I re-clone my startup drive to the external backup using CarbonCopyCloner.  Maybe I will try the "Restore" function in Disk Utilities, just to see how well it works for me.

--Steve

At 7:47 AM -0700 11/5/06, R Michael Vogt wrote:
> I used to use Carbon Cloner allot but I use the one in Utilities   
>folder called Disk utilities all you have to do is go into the part that says restore  drag the old drive to the first box then drag the new drive to bottom box then hit restore it will be exact duplicate of the drive she use right now and will boot also .
>then pull it out case then put in mac boot it up

From symlkrborn at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  5 09:11:34 2006
From: symlkrborn at yahoo.com (s. yaz)
Date: Sun Nov  5 09:11:42 2006
Subject: [G4] Safest processor upgrade for G4 450 mHz -
Message-ID: <20061105171134.83647.qmail@web61323.mail.yahoo.com>

virginia
what is 6-2000? when one discusses faster processer  doesnt make sense to me to say the least. 
i have to get one for sawtooth  aka  agp graphics too .    i know which manufacturer i will buy from  but still couldnt decide if if i can use a faster double processor  or or just settle for something less than 1 ghz speed.
tia


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To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 4:49:32 PM
Subject: [G4] Safest processor upgrade for G4 450 mHz - 

Safest processor upgrade for G4 450 mHz - 


 
 




purchased 6-2000 not a dual processor.  



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From desz.martinez at gmail.com  Sun Nov  5 12:54:22 2006
From: desz.martinez at gmail.com (Adrian Martinez)
Date: Sun Nov  5 12:54:30 2006
Subject: [G4] ATI 9800 On MDD G4
Message-ID: <530073670611051254s79358c16s8fdffb8532c318b3@mail.gmail.com>

I have an MDD G4 1.25 with a ATI 9000 video card. I'm considering
upgrading to the 9800 listed here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=015&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=250046331685&rd=1&rd=1
I mainly want to see the core image difference. Has anybody bought one
of these or have a 9700 or 9800 and can tell the difference from a non
core image video card?
From baltwo at san.rr.com  Sun Nov  5 13:05:40 2006
From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis)
Date: Sun Nov  5 13:06:01 2006
Subject: [G4] Backing up hard drive
In-Reply-To: <20061105144734.5382B394C57@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20061105144734.5382B394C57@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <f05210600c173ffa2ad09@[192.168.1.101]>

On 11/05/06, Richard Klein <rich@richardklein.org> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to help my sister (long-distance) replace the hard drive in
> her Gigabit Ethernet.
>
> Tech Tool Pro 4 reported 869 bad blocks in a surface scan of her Western
> Digital WD400BB 40GB hard drive.  She has an external USB drive that's
> at least 40GB, so I'll have her format that, back everything up onto it,
> and then take it out of the external case and use it to replace the
> Western Digital drive.
>
> How can she back it up so that, after putting the replacement drive into
> the Mac she can just boot directly from it?

First, have her check the "Setting up your Power Mac G4" manual. It can
accomodate at least two IDE HDs-I have the same machine w/two 128 GB HDs
installed. If she can't find it, have her download it from
<http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/PowerMacG4_GigEthernetSetup.PDF>.

The problem with trying to backup to the USB HD is that the machine won't boot
from USB HDs; thus, there's no way to know if the clone/backup is any
good.Personally, I'd put a second HD (max 128 GB) into the machine (setting it
as slave), clone/backup to it, boot from it, and ensure that it works exactly
like the original. Then, replace the original with another HD (max 128 GB), set
it to master, and backup/clone the first to the second.
From robertmacleay at mac.com  Sun Nov  5 13:21:11 2006
From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay)
Date: Sun Nov  5 13:21:16 2006
Subject: [G4] Backing up hard drive
In-Reply-To: <20061105144733.A55BE394C45@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <C173A3D7.5D86%robertmacleay@mac.com>

On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 06:38:30 -0800, Harry Freeman <harry@gifutiger.com>
wrote:

> Rich, just because Tech Tool Pro 4 has reported 869 bad blocks on the
> WD400BB doesn't mean that the disk needs to be removed from service.
> [snip]
> So unless your sister is experiencing corrupted data I would advise her
> not to worry to much about the disk drive.

I strongly disagree.  The drive we are discussing is in all likelihood the
original 5-6 year-old hard disk from the factory.  It has exceeded its
expected life span and is a catastrophe waiting to happen.

Assuming it has been in regular use, I would not depend on any five year old
hard disk in any computer.  Replace it.

Now, it might still be serviceable as a backup external drive which is only
spun up once a month...  

From jomph at xs4all.nl  Sun Nov  5 14:53:19 2006
From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel)
Date: Sun Nov  5 14:53:30 2006
Subject: [G4] Backing up hard drive
In-Reply-To: <C173A3D7.5D86%robertmacleay@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C17429EE.481E0%jomph@xs4all.nl>

On 05-11-2006 22:21, Robert MacLeay, robertmacleay@mac.com, wrote:

> Assuming it has been in regular use, I would not depend on any five year old
> hard disk in any computer.  Replace it.

HMM, my 10 yrs old Seagate Cheetah's and Barracuda's in Micronet DataDocks
work still flawlessly!

Jo Hissel

 

From harry at gifutiger.com  Sun Nov  5 15:07:40 2006
From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman)
Date: Sun Nov  5 15:07:52 2006
Subject: [G4] Backing up hard drive
In-Reply-To: <C17429EE.481E0%jomph@xs4all.nl>
References: <C17429EE.481E0%jomph@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <29aad7cb000d23326dc4dcce4825ccd8@gifutiger.com>

Greetings ( + )!( + )

On Nov 5, 2006, at 2:53 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote:

> On 05-11-2006 22:21, Robert MacLeay, robertmacleay@mac.com, wrote:
>
>> Assuming it has been in regular use, I would not depend on any five 
>> year old
>> hard disk in any computer.  Replace it.
>
> HMM, my 10 yrs old Seagate Cheetah's and Barracuda's in Micronet 
> DataDocks
> work still flawlessly!
>
> Jo Hissel
> ______________________________________________

Product Info: Western Digital WD400BB Hard Drive EIDE 40.0GB

* Mean time before failure
* 500,000 hour(s)

That's just a little over 57 Years, I've been in the computer industry 
since 1964 and have never had a disk drive failure, just lucky I guess.
The only reason that I've ever replace a drive is because I wanted a 
larger drive.
----------------------------------------------------


Cheers, /\*_*/\

Harry (*^_^*)
* If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? 
Congress!
Men's restroom House of Representatives,
Washington, DC

From ramar.clayton at verizon.net  Sun Nov  5 18:26:23 2006
From: ramar.clayton at verizon.net (Ray Clayton)
Date: Sun Nov  5 18:26:51 2006
Subject: [G4] Panther install question
Message-ID: <C174077F.40614%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>

I've finally decided to upgrade to OSX?Panther disks on the way. But I'm
wondering if I should anticipate a problem with creating my account.

I bought the G4 used on eBay and although I've only used 9.2.2, it already
had 10.1 installed also. I remember the original owner's name, but, of
course, I don't know his password. What problems should I anticipate?
Workaround?

Or will the setup Assistant allow me to create my Administrator Account?

Ray

From michael at wbsnet.org  Sun Nov  5 18:56:07 2006
From: michael at wbsnet.org (R Michael Vogt)
Date: Sun Nov  5 18:56:11 2006
Subject: [G4] Panther install question
In-Reply-To: <C174077F.40614%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>
References: <C174077F.40614%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <9507FFF0-05F7-4614-8627-7627D819B2AB@wbsnet.org>


On Nov 5, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Ray Clayton wrote:

> I've finally decided to upgrade to OSX?Panther disks on the way.  
> But I'm
> wondering if I should anticipate a problem with creating my account.
>
> I bought the G4 used on eBay and although I've only used 9.2.2, it  
> already
> had 10.1 installed also. I remember the original owner's name, but, of
> course, I don't know his password. What problems should I anticipate?
> Workaround?
>
> Or will the setup Assistant allow me to create my Administrator  
> Account?
>
> Ray

Hi Ray
  does the G4 have two Hard Drives in it ?
if so It would be great if OS 9 is on one drive then 10 is on the  
other drive.
if not you can change the password with your panther disk when you  
get them you will have to boot with CD hold down the c key go into  
password utilities put in the new password don't put it on the root  
one but the one the name of the hard drive.
But The name of the guy will still be there  you can change the  
admin. name everything also


Michael Vogt <><


From russells at strodtbeck.org  Sun Nov  5 19:20:01 2006
From: russells at strodtbeck.org (russells@strodtbeck.org)
Date: Sun Nov  5 19:20:10 2006
Subject: [G4] Airport Express Issue
Message-ID: <34494.1162783201@strodtbeck.org>


I have an Airport Express Wireless and need to connect to an ISP that requires the Mac Computer Mac Address of the 
Ethernet Card.

When I connect to a DSL connection that does not require it works find, but the ISP that I need to connect to requires the 
Mac Address of the Computer. 

I could have the Airport Express Mac Address registered with the ISP, but the limits flexibility should I want to use an 
another wireless device. Most Routers have a cloning feature that you can clone to computer's Mac Address.

I could put a hard wired router with the cloned address between the DSL Modem and the Airport Express unit, but that is 
un-necessary  hardware.

Is the anyway that the Mac address can be cloned into the Airport Express Unit? Any suggestion would be appreciated.


From mwensley at sympatico.ca  Sun Nov  5 19:33:02 2006
From: mwensley at sympatico.ca (Matthew Wensley)
Date: Sun Nov  5 19:33:15 2006
Subject: [G4] Re: G4 Digest, Vol 27, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <20061106032016.CF0B739A699@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20061106032016.CF0B739A699@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <81FFD903-79A7-4C53-9415-B1D9BD4615D1@sympatico.ca>

I wish I could say that I have never had a drive fail, but I have.  
The original HD on my MDD G4.

If she is having so many errors, I would reformat the drive and use  
it as a secondary drive or back up.

M
"There are all kinds of devices invented for the protection and  
preservation of countries: defensive barriers, forts, trenches, and  
the like...
But prudent minds have as a natural gift one safeguard which is the  
common possession of all, and this applies especially to the dealings  
of democracies. What is this safeguard?
Skepticism.
This you must preserve. This you must retain. If you can keep this,  
you need fear no harm."
-- Demosthenes
(384 B.C.-322 B.C.)
Source: Oration


On 5-Nov-06, at 10:20 PM, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com  
wrote:

>
> Product Info: Western Digital WD400BB Hard Drive EIDE 40.0GB
>
> * Mean time before failure
> * 500,000 hour(s)
>
> That's just a little over 57 Years, I've been in the computer industry
> since 1964 and have never had a disk drive failure, just lucky I  
> guess.
> The only reason that I've ever replace a drive is because I wanted a
> larger drive.

From wayne at troutnc.com  Mon Nov  6 05:21:56 2006
From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter)
Date: Mon Nov  6 05:22:22 2006
Subject: [G4] Panther install question
In-Reply-To: <C174077F.40614%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>
References: <C174077F.40614%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <FE02F978-8E21-4C9E-9FEF-40F1D474A46C@troutnc.com>

On Nov 5, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Ray Clayton wrote:

> I've finally decided to upgrade to OSX?Panther disks on the way.  
> But I'm
> wondering if I should anticipate a problem with creating my account.
>
> I bought the G4 used on eBay and although I've only used 9.2.2, it  
> already
> had 10.1 installed also. I remember the original owner's name, but, of
> course, I don't know his password. What problems should I anticipate?
> Workaround?
>
> Or will the setup Assistant allow me to create my Administrator  
> Account?
>
> Ray
>
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random  
> stuff:
>          http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
>
You don't say what your drive set up is. Both systems on same drive  
or separate. Of if you have additional drives/partitions.
I'd install Panther on a fresh clean partition or drive and run  
Panther from there.
If you must install Panther over 10.1, I believe you can still choose  
to install as a new install rather than an update. Only an update  
will involve the former user name and password.

Regards,

Wayne Clodfelter
wayne@troutnc.com


From ramar.clayton at verizon.net  Mon Nov  6 06:12:06 2006
From: ramar.clayton at verizon.net (Ray Clayton)
Date: Mon Nov  6 06:12:37 2006
Subject: [G4] Re: Panther install question
In-Reply-To: <20061106032016.E834D39A69A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <C174ACE6.40788%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>


> I've finally decided to upgrade to OSX?Panther disks on the way. But I'm
> wondering if I should anticipate a problem with creating my account.
> 
> I bought the G4 used on eBay and although I've only used 9.2.2, it already
> had 10.1 installed also. I remember the original owner's name, but, of
> course, I don't know his password. What problems should I anticipate?
> Workaround?
> 
> Or will the setup Assistant allow me to create my Administrator Account?
> 
> Ray
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 19:56:07 -0700
> From: R Michael Vogt <michael@wbsnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [G4] Panther install question
> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers."
> <g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
> Message-ID: <9507FFF0-05F7-4614-8627-7627D819B2AB@wbsnet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes;
> format=flowed
> 
> 
> On Nov 5, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Ray Clayton wrote:
> 
>> I've finally decided to upgrade to OSX?Panther disks on the way.
>> But I'm
>> wondering if I should anticipate a problem with creating my account.
>> 
>> I bought the G4 used on eBay and although I've only used 9.2.2, it
>> already
>> had 10.1 installed also. I remember the original owner's name, but, of
>> course, I don't know his password. What problems should I anticipate?
>> Workaround?
>> 
>> Or will the setup Assistant allow me to create my Administrator
>> Account?
>> 
>> Ray
> 
> Hi Ray
> does the G4 have two Hard Drives in it ?
> if so It would be great if OS 9 is on one drive then 10 is on the
> other drive.
> if not you can change the password with your panther disk when you
> get them you will have to boot with CD hold down the c key go into
> password utilities put in the new password don't put it on the root
> one but the one the name of the hard drive.
> But The name of the guy will still be there  you can change the
> admin. name everything also
> 
> 
> Michael Vogt <><
> 

Great useful answer, Michael. Because the hard drive has been partitioned.
The smaller partition (10 GB) has the System Folder (9.2.2), the System
(10.1) and all the applications. The larger partition (30 GB) has only files
and file folders.

So if I understand you correctly, I can install Panther on the larger data
partition with all the Admin privileges and password, etc.?

And then, eventually remove 10.1 from the smaller partition? Am I on the
right track?

I don't know nuthin' about no OS X.

Ray

From jimash at optonline.net  Mon Nov  6 06:57:21 2006
From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman)
Date: Mon Nov  6 06:57:51 2006
Subject: [G4] ATI 9800 On MDD G4
In-Reply-To: <530073670611051254s79358c16s8fdffb8532c318b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <530073670611051254s79358c16s8fdffb8532c318b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCE7BC69-A082-4CBD-B376-8D87C01011CF@optonline.net>


On Nov 5, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Adrian Martinez wrote:

> I have an MDD G4 1.25 with a ATI 9000 video card. I'm considering
> upgrading to the 9800 listed here.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=015&sspagename=STRK 
> %3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=250046331685&rd=1&rd=1
> I mainly want to see the core image difference. Has anybody bought one
> of these or have a 9700 or 9800 and can tell the difference from a non
> core image video card?


I have as 9800 but it isn't the quality of the image , it's what it  
will do.
For instance the 9800 shows most video effects in real time and  
Moiion projects,
and Live type and stuff like that works smoother.
From ronsteinke at mac.com  Mon Nov  6 12:43:14 2006
From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke)
Date: Mon Nov  6 12:43:38 2006
Subject: [G4] Re: Panther install question
In-Reply-To: <C174ACE6.40788%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>
References: <C174ACE6.40788%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <FE108557-B071-4B36-A38C-FD305EF95CEE@mac.com>

On 6 November, 2006, at 6:12:06, Ray Clayton wrote:

> So if I understand you correctly, I can install Panther on the  
> larger data
> partition with all the Admin privileges and password, etc.?
>
> And then, eventually remove 10.1 from the smaller partition? Am I  
> on the
> right track?

You could do this, but (and it's a big BUT)........ One of the things  
that OS-X does that no previous system did is to put a whole bunch of  
invisible files on the drive when it is installed. You cannot just do  
an "Uninstall Program" like some programs let you do.

You normally do not see those invisible files (because Apple did not  
want you to see them or mess with them and hid them from you) and  
cannot tell if they have been removed or not. You need to boot into  
OS-9 in order to see these files. From there, you can select them and  
delete them without any problem.

To get to OS-9, you should select it as your boot system in the  
Startup Disk preference and then reboot the machine.
From nagable at comcast.net  Mon Nov  6 20:18:32 2006
From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Nov  6 20:18:41 2006
Subject: [G4] Backing up hard drive
Message-ID: <110720060418.1249.4550091800082BC4000004E122007503300A040D0E090E02@comcast.net>

In my experience, if you get more than 3 years on a hard drive, it's running on borrowed time.  Sure, some will run 4, 5, even 6 years, but you'd better have a reliable regular backup system.  The older smaller SCSI hard drives seemed to last forever, but the larger ones do not.  And Western Digital is the least reliable (IMHO).

Nate
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Harry Freeman <harry@gifutiger.com>
> Greetings ( + )!( + )
> 
> On Nov 5, 2006, at 2:53 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote:
> 
> > On 05-11-2006 22:21, Robert MacLeay, robertmacleay@mac.com, wrote:
> >
> >> Assuming it has been in regular use, I would not depend on any five 
> >> year old
> >> hard disk in any computer.  Replace it.
> >
> > HMM, my 10 yrs old Seagate Cheetah's and Barracuda's in Micronet 
> > DataDocks
> > work still flawlessly!
> >
> > Jo Hissel
> > ______________________________________________
> 
> Product Info: Western Digital WD400BB Hard Drive EIDE 40.0GB
> 
> * Mean time before failure
> * 500,000 hour(s)
> 
> That's just a little over 57 Years, I've been in the computer industry 
> since 1964 and have never had a disk drive failure, just lucky I guess.
> The only reason that I've ever replace a drive is because I wanted a 
> larger drive.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Cheers, /\*_*/\
> 
> Harry (*^_^*)
> * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? 
> Congress!
> Men's restroom House of Representatives,
> Washington, DC
> 
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> 
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>          http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984

From ramar.clayton at verizon.net  Thu Nov  9 20:46:57 2006
From: ramar.clayton at verizon.net (Ray Clayton)
Date: Thu Nov  9 20:47:17 2006
Subject: [G4] rePanther install question
Message-ID: <C1796E71.40DEE%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>

I appreciate the info I've gotten so far. Had trouble with my subscription,
had to re-subscribe. Anyway. I guess the installation comes down to one of
two choices.

My hard drive is partitioned. On the smaller partition (10 GB) is 9.2.2,
10.1, and all applications. And 4.25 GB free.

On the larger partition (30 GB) are all data files?photos, letters, various,
etc., no apps. About 25 GB free.

So. Should I install Panther in the smaller partition over 10.1?assuming the
installer will let me? Or do I install Panther in the larger partition and
therefore end up with 9.2.2 on one partition and 10.3 on the other?

I would appreciate opinions. TIA,

Ray

From briang113 at pacbell.net  Fri Nov 10 09:54:08 2006
From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G)
Date: Fri Nov 10 09:54:16 2006
Subject: [G4] rePanther install question
In-Reply-To: <C1796E71.40DEE%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>
References: <C1796E71.40DEE%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <E2DE0F9E-D57C-4B58-A769-ED5CCC2A3692@pacbell.net>

Since this a machine you purchased from someone I would suggest  
reformatting the hard drive and then doinf g your install.

You can set up the partition again or go without.

I have had both setups on various machines, and I prefer to keep OS X  
and OS 9 on one partition, I have not found any benefit to keeping  
them seperate.

Others may disagree but this is just based on my experience.




Brian

G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM

On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Ray Clayton wrote:

> I appreciate the info I've gotten so far. Had trouble with my  
> subscription,
> had to re-subscribe. Anyway. I guess the installation comes down to  
> one of
> two choices.
>
> My hard drive is partitioned. On the smaller partition (10 GB) is  
> 9.2.2,
> 10.1, and all applications. And 4.25 GB free.
>
> On the larger partition (30 GB) are all data files?photos, letters,  
> various,
> etc., no apps. About 25 GB free.
>
> So. Should I install Panther in the smaller partition over 10.1? 
> assuming the
> installer will let me? Or do I install Panther in the larger  
> partition and
> therefore end up with 9.2.2 on one partition and 10.3 on the other?
>
> I would appreciate opinions. TIA,
>
> Ray
>
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random  
> stuff:
>          http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984

From harry at gifutiger.com  Fri Nov 10 10:40:57 2006
From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman)
Date: Fri Nov 10 10:41:05 2006
Subject: [G4] rePanther install question
In-Reply-To: <E2DE0F9E-D57C-4B58-A769-ED5CCC2A3692@pacbell.net>
References: <C1796E71.40DEE%ramar.clayton@verizon.net>
	<E2DE0F9E-D57C-4B58-A769-ED5CCC2A3692@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <13a72b49eef3eb96f04ad8c328acf802@gifutiger.com>

Greetings ( + )!( + )

I agree with Brian, as I believe that when the "Daily's, Weekly's and 
the Monthly" routines are done, they are only done on the drive that 
has the OS X operating system. That means that the other partitions are 
not cleaned up as they should during the maintenance operation.
----------------------------------------------------
On Nov 10, 2006, at 9:54 AM, B G wrote:

> Since this a machine you purchased from someone I would suggest 
> reformatting the hard drive and then doing your install.
>
> You can set up the partition again or go without.
>
> I have had both setups on various machines, and I prefer to keep OS X 
> and OS 9 on one partition, I have not found any benefit to keeping 
> them separate.
>
> Others may disagree but this is just based on my experience.
>
> Brian
>
> G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM
>
> On Nov 9, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Ray Clayton wrote:
>
>> I appreciate the info I've gotten so far. Had trouble with my 
>> subscription,
>> had to re-subscribe. Anyway. I guess the installation comes down to 
>> one of
>> two choices.
>>
>> My hard drive is partitioned. On the smaller partition (10 GB) is 
>> 9.2.2,
>> 10.1, and all applications. And 4.25 GB free.
>>
>> On the larger partition (30 GB) are all data files?photos, letters, 
>> various,
>> etc., no apps. About 25 GB free.
>>
>> So. Should I install Panther in the smaller partition over 
>> 10.1?assuming the
>> installer will let me? Or do I install Panther in the larger 
>> partition and
>> therefore end up with 9.2.2 on one partition and 10.3 on the other?
>>
>> I would appreciate opinions. TIA,
>>
>> Ray
>> _______________________________________________


Cheers, /\*_*/\

Harry (*^_^*)
* If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? 
Congress!
Men's restroom House of Representatives,
Washington, DC

From sumptin_sumptin at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 12 12:20:18 2006
From: sumptin_sumptin at yahoo.com (Bobby Wade)
Date: Sun Nov 12 12:20:26 2006
Subject: [G4] Networking
Message-ID: <97930.17999.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I am new to the list. I am embarking on the endeavour
to move out of stone age of dial-up internet service
to the modernity of high speed connection. My G4 is
older and I wonder if is capable to handle the
increased rate of data? I believe it has an ether
connection which sits next to the input for dial-up
connection.



 
____________________________________________________________________________________
Cheap talk?
Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
http://voice.yahoo.com
From emaxxx4 at warpmail.net  Sun Nov 12 12:29:59 2006
From: emaxxx4 at warpmail.net (Eric Buczynski)
Date: Sun Nov 12 12:30:19 2006
Subject: Subject: [G4] Networking
In-Reply-To: <20061112202027.CD8D03F0EA6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20061112202027.CD8D03F0EA6@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <75176453-8E39-40E5-AB84-0B6E5B61F6FB@warpmail.net>

Your G4 will gladly handle the data for the increased speeds.  Plus,  
you won't have to buy a card with an ethernet connector like PC users  
do.  The ethernet jack is a little bit bigger than a standard phone  
jack which is the modem jack on the back of your G4.  You'll need to  
get an ethernet cable to hook up your new DSL or cable modem to your  
G4, but chances are that this will be provided by the your high-speed  
Internet Service Provider (ISP), the company you're going with to get  
the high speed connections.

If, down the line you add another Mac in your house or apartment and  
you want them both to be able to get high speed internet access, you  
can get a router (around $20-$30).  The High speed line will come  
from the phone jack (DSL) or the coaxial cable (cable from outside),  
which will be hooked up to the modem.  The modem will be hooked to  
the router, and the router will have an ethernet cable going to each  
Mac.  Feel free to write back if you need help on setting that up.

Eric
From rich at richardklein.org  Sun Nov 12 12:30:51 2006
From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein)
Date: Sun Nov 12 12:30:58 2006
Subject: [G4] Networking
In-Reply-To: <97930.17999.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <97930.17999.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FDABB3CD-E489-46F2-9463-53F8122ADBA6@richardklein.org>

On Nov 12, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Bobby Wade wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am new to the list. I am embarking on the endeavour
> to move out of stone age of dial-up internet service
> to the modernity of high speed connection. My G4 is
> older and I wonder if is capable to handle the
> increased rate of data? I believe it has an ether
> connection which sits next to the input for dial-up
> connection.

Bobby,
	I've used a 400MHz Gigabit Ethernet G4 on my DSL line, and it didn't  
have any problem keeping up with web-browsing or file downloads, so I  
don't think you'll have anything to worry about.  Which G4 exactly do  
you have?

-- 
Rich
From harry at gifutiger.com  Sun Nov 12 13:20:01 2006
From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman)
Date: Sun Nov 12 13:20:04 2006
Subject: [G4] Networking
In-Reply-To: <97930.17999.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <97930.17999.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c446ea26614924bf40011f1b39ae1817@gifutiger.com>

Greetings ( + )!( + )

Bobby, all of the data feeds, whether it be dial-up modem, DSL or Cable  
all use a packet method of sending data usually in a full-duplex  
format. Therefore if your computer can not keep up with the speed of  
the interface it will send a message to stop to the data feed until it  
is ready accept more information. It is usually based upon the size of  
your receive buffer, which will cause the message to stop when the  
buffer reaches about 80% full.

This is a very simple explanation, and I'm so very sure someone will  
say that I'm wrong and give you a detailed scenario of how everything  
works, however I don't think that it will interest you, but there are  
those on this group that like to show up others and give out  
information that is way over the basic premise of the question.

So if this doesn't answer your question the re-post and I'll be glad to  
fill in the missing parts.
----------------------------------------------------

On Nov 12, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Bobby Wade wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am new to the list. I am embarking on the endeavor
> to move out of stone age of dial-up internet service
> to the modernity of high speed connection. My G4 is
> older and I wonder if is capable to handle the
> increased rate of data? I believe it has an ether
> connection which sits next to the input for dial-up
> connection.
> _______________________________________________________________________ 
> _____________


Cheers, /\*_*/\

Harry (*^_^*)
* If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress?  
Congress!
Men's restroom House of Representatives,
Washington, DC

From baltwo at san.rr.com  Sun Nov 12 15:13:30 2006
From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis)
Date: Sun Nov 12 15:14:29 2006
Subject: [G4] rePanther install question
In-Reply-To: <20061112202028.27E393F0EA8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20061112202028.27E393F0EA8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <f05210600c17d58ccb0f4@[192.168.1.101]>

On 11/12/06, Ray Clayton <ramar.clayton@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I appreciate the info I've gotten so far. Had trouble with my subscription,
> had to re-subscribe. Anyway. I guess the installation comes down to one of
> two choices.
>
> My hard drive is partitioned. On the smaller partition (10 GB) is 9.2.2,
> 10.1, and all applications. And 4.25 GB free.
>
> On the larger partition (30 GB) are all data files?photos, letters, various,
> etc., no apps. About 25 GB free.
>
> So. Should I install Panther in the smaller partition over 10.1?assuming the
> installer will let me? Or do I install Panther in the larger partition and
> therefore end up with 9.2.2 on one partition and 10.3 on the other?
>
> I would appreciate opinions. TIA,

Here's what I'd do. Copy (drag & drop) these from the small partiton to the
larger one: Applications (Mac OS 9) and System Folder (not System). Then,
Startup Disk, select the System on the large partition, boot into it, launch
Drive Setup, select the smaller partition, erase and reformat it as Mac OS
extended (HFS+). Then, Copy those two folders to the now clean partition, boot
into it, and ensure that it works normally. Then, delete them from the larger
partiltion and, when you get the Panther disks, install it onto the larger
partition.

Alternatively, get an external, bootable FireWire HD, partition it as desired,
copy the OS 9 stuff to one partition, the data stuff to another, boot into the
FWHD, and erase/repartition the internal HD, one partition for OS 9 and another
for OS X. This allows for growth and making bootable backups.
From crobles1 at nyc.rr.com  Sun Nov 12 17:07:37 2006
From: crobles1 at nyc.rr.com (Charles Robles)
Date: Sun Nov 12 17:07:42 2006
Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
Message-ID: <BA7DC641-413F-4644-AEFF-8CC1D6298540@nyc.rr.com>

Hi guys, I am new here but i think i might be in the right place. I  
recently purchased a mercury extreme 1.5 GHz processor upgrade for my  
g4 originally 400MHz machine. I also previously installed an extra  
hard drive and ati 9000 pro video card. The previous processor  
upgrade was 800Mhz. Well, the new processor did not work- no startup  
chime and no picture so i put back the old processor and everything  
works fine. I received a replacement and got the same results so i  
spoke to a tech guy where I bought it and he suggested that I am  
probably right over the line powerwise. I suspect that he might be  
right. He suggested I can get more power by buying a pc power supply  
and just splice some wires and such to install it. I don't know the  
details yet. I guess my question is do you think the tech guy is  
correct as I suspect he is and what kind of pc alien part should fit  
into the space and how big volt wise would be too much for my g4 or  
should I just forget the whole thing?
From wogears at fast.net  Sun Nov 12 17:43:27 2006
From: wogears at fast.net (Les Berkley)
Date: Sun Nov 12 17:43:36 2006
Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BA7DC641-413F-4644-AEFF-8CC1D6298540@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000601c706c5$1dda05a0$6501a8c0@Flaptop>

Whoa!

I suspect the guy was wrong--Apple power supplies are pretty robust IMO.
Besides, if you pulled too many amps, the rail fuse would blow. I would
_definitely_ not 'splice in' a PC (ATX) supply, especially since you do NOT
appear to understand what is involved. I expect there are upgrade supplies
made to fit the G4, but I doubt this is your problem. Where did you buy the
upgrade processor?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-
> bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Charles Robles
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:08 PM
> To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
> 
> Hi guys, I am new here but i think i might be in the right place. I
> recently purchased a mercury extreme 1.5 GHz processor upgrade for my
> g4 originally 400MHz machine. I also previously installed an extra
> hard drive and ati 9000 pro video card. The previous processor
> upgrade was 800Mhz. Well, the new processor did not work- no startup
> chime and no picture so i put back the old processor and everything
> works fine. I received a replacement and got the same results so i
> spoke to a tech guy where I bought it and he suggested that I am
> probably right over the line powerwise. I suspect that he might be
> right. He suggested I can get more power by buying a pc power supply
> and just splice some wires and such to install it. I don't know the
> details yet. I guess my question is do you think the tech guy is
> correct as I suspect he is and what kind of pc alien part should fit
> into the space and how big volt wise would be too much for my g4 or
> should I just forget the whole thing?
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
> 
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff:
>          http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
> 
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From rich at richardklein.org  Sun Nov 12 17:50:33 2006
From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein)
Date: Sun Nov 12 17:50:39 2006
Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BA7DC641-413F-4644-AEFF-8CC1D6298540@nyc.rr.com>
References: <BA7DC641-413F-4644-AEFF-8CC1D6298540@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3D5D3757-8240-470E-ACA2-7C816BBD1CA4@richardklein.org>

On Nov 12, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Charles Robles wrote:

> Hi guys, I am new here but i think i might be in the right place. I  
> recently purchased a mercury extreme 1.5 GHz processor upgrade for  
> my g4 originally 400MHz machine. I also previously installed an  
> extra hard drive and ati 9000 pro video card. The previous  
> processor upgrade was 800Mhz. Well, the new processor did not work-  
> no startup chime and no picture so i put back the old processor and  
> everything works fine. I received a replacement and got the same  
> results so i spoke to a tech guy where I bought it and he suggested  
> that I am probably right over the line powerwise. I suspect that he  
> might be right. He suggested I can get more power by buying a pc  
> power supply and just splice some wires and such to install it. I  
> don't know the details yet. I guess my question is do you think the  
> tech guy is correct as I suspect he is and what kind of pc alien  
> part should fit into the space and how big volt wise would be too  
> much for my g4 or should I just forget the whole thing?

I would guess that 350 watts should be the minimum rating you should  
consider.  There's some very good PC power supplies out there, but  
there's also some real crap, so stay away from brands you've never  
heard of.  I've personally been very happy with Antec power supplies,  
but some other reputable names to consider would be Thermaltake, PC  
Power & Cooling, and Enermax.  If you can afford it, overkill won't  
hurt anything (excess capacity is only used when it's needed, so a  
1000watt power supply in your Mac won't use any more electricity than  
a 350 watt one, except that the 350 watt supply will fail before your  
computer draws anywhere near the limits for the larger supply).  I'd  
place more priority on a reputable brand name than on the wattage  
rating, though.

I haven't taken the time to look at any wiring diagrams, but re- 
wiring the PC supply for your Mac should be pretty simple.  I'd like  
to do that myself, but my Mac's power supply isn't dead yet, and I've  
got plenty of other projects...  I *think* the external dimensions of  
the power supply will be the same, but a tape measure can verify  
that.  You can measure your own power supply, and you should be able  
to find dimensions for the PC power supply on the manufacturer's  
website.

Good luck!
-- Rich

Antec: http://www.antec.com/us/pro_powerSupply.html
Thermaltake: http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/Power/power_index.asp
PC Power & Cooling: http://www.pcpower.com/products/power_supplies
Enermax: http://www.enermax.com.tw/english/product_supply.asp
From mos125 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 12 18:06:17 2006
From: mos125 at comcast.net (Thomas Brooks)
Date: Sun Nov 12 18:06:27 2006
Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BA7DC641-413F-4644-AEFF-8CC1D6298540@nyc.rr.com>
References: <BA7DC641-413F-4644-AEFF-8CC1D6298540@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <fa45299303728becb1b3ad0311716eea@comcast.net>

Probably not nearly as simple as he makes it seem. Check here for 
information on issues with replacing one power supply with another.

<http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/tips/MDD_ps_mods/MDD_PS_Mods.html>

My G4 Sawtooth with 1.2 GHz upgrade, 2 hard disks 80gb & 160gb, ati 
8500 video card running just fine with original power supply.

My only bad experience was when I originally installed a faulty OWC 
upgrade card everything crashed and I was out of business for two 
weeks. When I returned original for a PowerLogix processor it was truly 
plug and play.


Tom

###

On Nov 12, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Charles Robles wrote:

> Hi guys, I am new here but i think i might be in the right place. I 
> recently purchased a mercury extreme 1.5 GHz processor upgrade for my 
> g4 originally 400MHz machine. I also previously installed an extra 
> hard drive and ati 9000 pro video card. The previous processor upgrade 
> was 800Mhz. Well, the new processor did not work- no startup chime and 
> no picture so i put back the old processor and everything works fine. 
> I received a replacement and got the same results so i spoke to a tech 
> guy where I bought it and he suggested that I am probably right over 
> the line powerwise. I suspect that he might be right. He suggested I 
> can get more power by buying a pc power supply and just splice some 
> wires and such to install it. I don't know the details yet. I guess my 
> question is do you think the tech guy is correct as I suspect he is 
> and what kind of pc alien part should fit into the space and how big 
> volt wise would be too much for my g4 or should I just forget the 
> whole thing?
> _______________________________________________
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>
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> stuff:
>         http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
>

From crobles1 at nyc.rr.com  Sun Nov 12 19:14:42 2006
From: crobles1 at nyc.rr.com (Charles Robles)
Date: Sun Nov 12 19:14:54 2006
Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
In-Reply-To: <000601c706c5$1dda05a0$6501a8c0@Flaptop>
References: <000601c706c5$1dda05a0$6501a8c0@Flaptop>
Message-ID: <77AB2806-DC32-4544-BED2-D4D08F4A6370@nyc.rr.com>

I bought it at other world computing.
From crobles1 at nyc.rr.com  Sun Nov 12 19:24:55 2006
From: crobles1 at nyc.rr.com (Charles Robles)
Date: Sun Nov 12 19:25:04 2006
Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3D5D3757-8240-470E-ACA2-7C816BBD1CA4@richardklein.org>
References: <BA7DC641-413F-4644-AEFF-8CC1D6298540@nyc.rr.com>
	<3D5D3757-8240-470E-ACA2-7C816BBD1CA4@richardklein.org>
Message-ID: <1FEA40C7-87A2-4A87-A28A-F22EF068D268@nyc.rr.com>

Thanks for the advice on brands as I am not used to poking around  
inside my machine other than to install simple upgrades. 350 watts is  
exactly what I was considering as the power supply inside my machine  
says 120 w. I need enough to power the processor upgrade and anything  
else I might install down the line. The tech guy at other world  
computing where I got the upgrade said he would send me an article on  
how to proceed with a pc power supply installation but I have not  
seen it yet. Thanks again.
On Nov 12, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Richard Klein wrote:

> On Nov 12, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Charles Robles wrote:
>
>> Hi guys, I am new here but i think i might be in the right place.  
>> I recently purchased a mercury extreme 1.5 GHz processor upgrade  
>> for my g4 originally 400MHz machine. I also previously installed  
>> an extra hard drive and ati 9000 pro video card. The previous  
>> processor upgrade was 800Mhz. Well, the new processor did not  
>> work- no startup chime and no picture so i put back the old  
>> processor and everything works fine. I received a replacement and  
>> got the same results so i spoke to a tech guy where I bought it  
>> and he suggested that I am probably right over the line powerwise.  
>> I suspect that he might be right. He suggested I can get more  
>> power by buying a pc power supply and just splice some wires and  
>> such to install it. I don't know the details yet. I guess my  
>> question is do you think the tech guy is correct as I suspect he  
>> is and what kind of pc alien part should fit into the space and  
>> how big volt wise would be too much for my g4 or should I just  
>> forget the whole thing?
>
> I would guess that 350 watts should be the minimum rating you  
> should consider.  There's some very good PC power supplies out  
> there, but there's also some real crap, so stay away from brands  
> you've never heard of.  I've personally been very happy with Antec  
> power supplies, but some other reputable names to consider would be  
> Thermaltake, PC Power & Cooling, and Enermax.  If you can afford  
> it, overkill won't hurt anything (excess capacity is only used when  
> it's needed, so a 1000watt power supply in your Mac won't use any  
> more electricity than a 350 watt one, except that the 350 watt  
> supply will fail before your computer draws anywhere near the  
> limits for the larger supply).  I'd place more priority on a  
> reputable brand name than on the wattage rating, though.
>
> I haven't taken the time to look at any wiring diagrams, but re- 
> wiring the PC supply for your Mac should be pretty simple.  I'd  
> like to do that myself, but my Mac's power supply isn't dead yet,  
> and I've got plenty of other projects...  I *think* the external  
> dimensions of the power supply will be the same, but a tape measure  
> can verify that.  You can measure your own power supply, and you  
> should be able to find dimensions for the PC power supply on the  
> manufacturer's website.
>
> Good luck!
> -- Rich
>
> Antec: http://www.antec.com/us/pro_powerSupply.html
> Thermaltake: http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/Power/ 
> power_index.asp
> PC Power & Cooling: http://www.pcpower.com/products/power_supplies
> Enermax: http://www.enermax.com.tw/english/product_supply.asp
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>
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> stuff:
>         http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984

From crobles1 at nyc.rr.com  Sun Nov 12 19:29:24 2006
From: crobles1 at nyc.rr.com (Charles Robles)
Date: Sun Nov 12 19:29:33 2006
Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
In-Reply-To: <fa45299303728becb1b3ad0311716eea@comcast.net>
References: <BA7DC641-413F-4644-AEFF-8CC1D6298540@nyc.rr.com>
	<fa45299303728becb1b3ad0311716eea@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <86D2FEAD-E61D-4DB4-9462-61270A917467@nyc.rr.com>

Thanks for the link. I am still not absolutely sure why the upgrade  
doesn't work but I thought the power issue made some sense as my  
configuration is similar to yours. I will check out the link. If it  
sounds too complicated for my level, I might just send it back.
On Nov 12, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Thomas Brooks wrote:

> Probably not nearly as simple as he makes it seem. Check here for  
> information on issues with replacing one power supply with another.
>
> <http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/tips/MDD_ps_mods/MDD_PS_Mods.html>
>
> My G4 Sawtooth with 1.2 GHz upgrade, 2 hard disks 80gb & 160gb, ati  
> 8500 video card running just fine with original power supply.
>
> My only bad experience was when I originally installed a faulty OWC  
> upgrade card everything crashed and I was out of business for two  
> weeks. When I returned original for a PowerLogix processor it was  
> truly plug and play.
>
>
> Tom
>
> ###
>
> On Nov 12, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Charles Robles wrote:
>
>> Hi guys, I am new here but i think i might be in the right place.  
>> I recently purchased a mercury extreme 1.5 GHz processor upgrade  
>> for my g4 originally 400MHz machine. I also previously installed  
>> an extra hard drive and ati 9000 pro video card. The previous  
>> processor upgrade was 800Mhz. Well, the new processor did not  
>> work- no startup chime and no picture so i put back the old  
>> processor and everything works fine. I received a replacement and  
>> got the same results so i spoke to a tech guy where I bought it  
>> and he suggested that I am probably right over the line powerwise.  
>> I suspect that he might be right. He suggested I can get more  
>> power by buying a pc power supply and just splice some wires and  
>> such to install it. I don't know the details yet. I guess my  
>> question is do you think the tech guy is correct as I suspect he  
>> is and what kind of pc alien part should fit into the space and  
>> how big volt wise would be too much for my g4 or should I just  
>> forget the whole thing?
>> _______________________________________________
>> G4 mailing list
>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>>
>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random  
>> stuff:
>>         http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
>
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random  
> stuff:
>         http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984

From russells at strodtbeck.org  Sun Nov 12 18:33:30 2006
From: russells at strodtbeck.org (russells@strodtbeck.org)
Date: Sun Nov 12 19:33:44 2006
Subject: [G4] sending mail from OSX Mail App
Message-ID: <51077.1163388811@strodtbeck.org>


I use Apple's Mail application for mail..I recently signed up with Quest.com DSL internet. I understand they provide not email 
service. I amp able to receive from my third party ISP mail accounts with no problem. But cannot send mail out. I get a "Mail 
delivery failed" error message. I called Quest and they said I need to talk with my third party ISP. I configured as they 
suggested and still no luck. I was wondering if anyone on the list uses Quest.com broadband and if you have had any 
experience this sending mail  from your email client.

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Russell





Mac G4/400  704 MB Ram
OS 10.3.9
From robertmacleay at mac.com  Sun Nov 12 19:37:07 2006
From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay)
Date: Sun Nov 12 19:37:17 2006
Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20061113031458.EC9D43F57A1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <C17D3673.5F9C%robertmacleay@mac.com>

I don't believe it.

I can speak only from personal experience, but suspect that your previous
upgrade is to blame.  Many upgrades to the early G3/G4 Macs required custom
firmware upgrades for installation.  I have one such.  If your 800 MHz
upgrade was one of them, the incompatibility lies with the 800's firmware
being incompatible with the  1.5 GHz; your Mac is an innocent bystander.

*If* this is the case, your simplest route is to sell off your current G4
and purchase another one --the early G4s are selling under $100 on eBay--
and upgrade it.  Alternatively, you would need an Apple firmware upgrade to
reinstall to return your Mac to its pristine state.  Oh, yeah -- you will
need to reinstall the original Apple CPU first.  All using OS 9.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:07:37 -0500, Charles Robles <crobles1@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:
> I recently purchased a mercury extreme 1.5 GHz processor upgrade for my
> g4 originally 400MHz machine. I also previously installed an extra
> hard drive and ati 9000 pro video card. The previous processor
> upgrade was 800Mhz. Well, the new processor did not work- no startup
> chime and no picture so i put back the old processor and everything
> works fine. I received a replacement and got the same results so i
> spoke to a tech guy where I bought it and he suggested that I am
> probably right over the line powerwise. I suspect that he might be
> right. He suggested I can get more power by buying a pc power supply
> and just splice some wires and such to install it. I don't know the
> details yet. I guess my question is do you think the tech guy is
> correct as I suspect he is and what kind of pc alien part should fit
> into the space and how big volt wise would be too much for my g4 or
> should I just forget the whole thing?

From rich at richardklein.org  Sun Nov 12 20:07:35 2006
From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein)
Date: Sun Nov 12 20:07:41 2006
Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1FEA40C7-87A2-4A87-A28A-F22EF068D268@nyc.rr.com>
References: <BA7DC641-413F-4644-AEFF-8CC1D6298540@nyc.rr.com>
	<3D5D3757-8240-470E-ACA2-7C816BBD1CA4@richardklein.org>
	<1FEA40C7-87A2-4A87-A28A-F22EF068D268@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5287CFB5-EE95-4372-BCA3-D2377C619F7A@richardklein.org>

Hmm...  Apple's website says that even the PCI Graphics (was that  
Yikes or Sawtooth?) had a 200watt power supply (PS), and that maxed  
out at 400MHz [1].  When Apple finally broke the 1GHz mark with the  
QuickSilver 2002 they were spec'ing a 360watt PS [2].  You're PS  
is...what?...7 years old?

I've had power supplies fail on PCs before.  Sometimes they fail  
completely, and nothing happens when you turn on the power - not a  
fan spins.  Other times, the computer would run, but would act rather  
flaky, with programs crashing randomly, etc.  That behavior, in some  
computers, was cured with a new PS.  I've also torn down a PC that  
was running fine (to make some modifications) and discovered that  
some capacitors in the PS were leaking.  It was obviously failing,  
but the computer had been running fine.  My point is that failing  
power supplies are every bit as hard to diagnose as bad memory.   
Regardless, your 120w PS was certainly never intended to power a  
1.5GHz processor.  It was worth a shot, but I'm not surprised if, in  
fact, the PS is the reason your Mac won't boot with the 1.5GHz CPU in  
it.

Oh, I haven't seen any aftermarket power supplies for the G4  
PowerMacs.  If you find any, be sure to let us know.

-- 
Rich

[1] http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/Power_Mac_G4_PCI.html
[2] http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/ 
Power_Mac_G4_Quicksilver_2002.html


On Nov 12, 2006, at 10:24 PM, Charles Robles wrote:

> Thanks for the advice on brands as I am not used to poking around  
> inside my machine other than to install simple upgrades. 350 watts  
> is exactly what I was considering as the power supply inside my  
> machine says 120 w. I need enough to power the processor upgrade  
> and anything else I might install down the line. The tech guy at  
> other world computing where I got the upgrade said he would send me  
> an article on how to proceed with a pc power supply installation  
> but I have not seen it yet. Thanks again.
From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com  Sun Nov 12 20:22:00 2006
From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (Richard Northouse)
Date: Sun Nov 12 20:22:12 2006
Subject: [G4] power supply upgrade
In-Reply-To: <C17D3673.5F9C%robertmacleay@mac.com>
Message-ID: <200611130422.kAD4LwJD000651@ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com>



Charles,

I have a couple of comments.

First, I agree with Robert, it is probably not the PS.

Two, Your reading of 120 on your current PS, is probably 120 volts, NOT
watts.

Finally, again I agree with Robert, consider buying a different machine --
you can get a Mac Mini for about $600. Has the duo OS capability, fast CPU,
all set to go. Plug in your keyboard and monitor, and you are on the air!

My two cents worth.

Rich




-----Original Message-----
From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
[mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Robert
MacLeay
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:37 PM
To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
Subject: Re: [G4] power supply upgrade

I don't believe it.

I can speak only from personal experience, but suspect that your previous
upgrade is to blame.  Many upgrades to the early G3/G4 Macs required custom
firmware upgrades for installation.  I have one such.  If your 800 MHz
upgrade was one of them, the incompatibility lies with the 800's firmware
being incompatible with the  1.5 GHz; your Mac is an innocent bystander.

*If* this is the case, your simplest route is to sell off your current G4
and purchase another one --the early G4s are selling under $100 on eBay--
and upgrade it.  Alternatively, you would need an Apple firmware upgrade to
reinstall to return your Mac to its pristine state.  Oh, yeah -- you will
need to reinstall the original Apple CPU first.  All using OS 9.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:07:37 -0500, Charles Robles <crobles1@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:
> I recently purchased a mercury extreme 1.5 GHz processor upgrade for my
> g4 originally 400MHz machine. I also previously installed an extra
> hard drive and ati 9000 pro video card. The previous processor
> upgrade was 800Mhz. Well, the new processor did not work- no startup
> chime and no picture so i put back the old processor and everything
> works fine. I received a replacement and got the same results so i
> spoke to a tech guy where I bought it and he suggested that I am
> probably right over the line powerwise. I suspect that he might be
> right. He suggested I can get more power by buying a pc power supply
> and just splice some wires and such to install it. I don't know the
> details yet. I guess my question is do you think the tech guy is
> correct as I suspect he is and what kind of pc alien part should fit
> into the space and how big volt wise would be too much for my g4 or
> should I just forget the whole thing?

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From kriss at pobox.mtaonline.net  Sun Nov 12 21:21:21 2006
From: kriss at pobox.mtaonline.net (kris)
Date: Sun Nov 12 21:22:01 2006
Subject: [G4] sending mail from OSX Mail App
In-Reply-To: <51077.1163388811@strodtbeck.org>
References: <51077.1163388811@strodtbeck.org>
Message-ID: <99FE739D-6959-484D-A78A-7C13397D7F8C@pobox.mtaonline.net>

Lets see if I understand you correctly. Your Internet service is  
provided by Quest. However Quest will not provide you with an email  
account? (I would think that very odd). And you have yet another  
third party Internet provider, through whom you do have an email  
account?

If I understand you correctly as stated above. Then you can of course  
receive mail with your third party ISP mail server. However to send  
email you will need to do so through your Quest mail server. But they  
are not providing you a server? Ok, then you must return to your  
third party ISP and tell them Quest does not provide you with a mail  
server. And so you must use the third party's mail server instead and  
they need to allow relaying on their server from the Quest domain for  
your account with them. Good luck with that happening.

The problem is not Apples Email client your using and there is no  
setting to help you out. Since all responsible ISP's refuse relay  
access through their servers. And since Quest doesn't provide you a  
mail server on their domain, then your kind of stuck if the third  
party won't allow you to relay or if Quest won't allow you access to  
their mail servers. So you have a few solutions that are possible.

	A) Use a web mail interface provided by your third party ISP for all  
of your outgoing mail.

	B) See if your third party has an IMAP server you can use instead of  
a SMTP mail server

	C) Install your own mail server and purchase a static IP along with  
a domain name.

I hope I understood your problem clearly

Kristen

On Nov 12, 2006, at 5:33 PM, russells@strodtbeck.org wrote:

>
> I use Apple's Mail application for mail..I recently signed up with  
> Quest.com DSL internet. I understand they provide not email
> service. I amp able to receive from my third party ISP mail  
> accounts with no problem. But cannot send mail out. I get a "Mail
> delivery failed" error message. I called Quest and they said I need  
> to talk with my third party ISP. I configured as they
> suggested and still no luck. I was wondering if anyone on the list  
> uses Quest.com broadband and if you have had any
> experience this sending mail  from your email client.
>
> Any suggestion would be appreciated.
>
> Russell

From mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com  Sun Nov 12 21:30:03 2006
From: mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com (Doug Burton)
Date: Sun Nov 12 21:30:12 2006
Subject: [G4] sending mail from OSX Mail App
In-Reply-To: <51077.1163388811@strodtbeck.org>
References: <51077.1163388811@strodtbeck.org>
Message-ID: <23cd2742a83f6b508447289e55a3161c@roadrunner.com>


On Nov 12, 2006, at 9:33 PM, russells@strodtbeck.org wrote:

>
> I use Apple's Mail application for mail..I recently signed up with 
> Quest.com DSL internet. I understand they provide not email
> service. I amp able to receive from my third party ISP mail accounts 
> with no problem. But cannot send mail out. I get a "Mail
> delivery failed" error message. I called Quest and they said I need to 
> talk with my third party ISP. I configured as they
> suggested and still no luck. I was wondering if anyone on the list 
> uses Quest.com broadband and if you have had any
> experience this sending mail  from your email client.
>
> Any suggestion would be appreciated.
>
> Russell

Hmmm, you were able to send mail to this list, how was that 
accomplished?  Can't you just use the same method to send all of your 
email?

Just a message from Doug...

From jruuska at aol.com  Mon Nov 13 00:13:40 2006
From: jruuska at aol.com (Jay Ruuska)
Date: Mon Nov 13 00:13:49 2006
Subject: [G4] sending mail from OSX Mail App
In-Reply-To: <23cd2742a83f6b508447289e55a3161c@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <C17D6934.B75B%jruuska@aol.com>

Probably you just need to make sure your sending prefs are set correctly.
Often when using a second provider for mail, as you described, you need to
have your e-mail client re-authenticate during the sending process. For
example, my SBC (AT&T) account needs "auth.smtp" as a prefix for sending.
Check with your e-mail account provider for this setting.


> From: Doug Burton <mdd867x2@roadrunner.com>
> Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers."
> <g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 00:30:03 -0500
> To: <russells@strodtbeck.org>, "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers."
> <g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [G4] sending mail from OSX Mail App
> 
> 
> On Nov 12, 2006, at 9:33 PM, russells@strodtbeck.org wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I use Apple's Mail application for mail..I recently signed up with
>> Quest.com DSL internet. I understand they provide not email
>> service. I amp able to receive from my third party ISP mail accounts
>> with no problem. But cannot send mail out. I get a "Mail
>> delivery failed" error message. I called Quest and they said I need to
>> talk with my third party ISP. I configured as they
>> suggested and still no luck. I was wondering if anyone on the list
>> uses Quest.com broadband and if you have had any
>> experience this sending mail  from your email client.
>> 
>> Any suggestion would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Russell
> 
> Hmmm, you were able to send mail to this list, how was that
> accomplished?  Can't you just use the same method to send all of your
> email?
> 
> Just a message from Doug...
> 
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
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> 
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff:
>          http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984


From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Nov 13 00:37:40 2006
From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen)
Date: Mon Nov 13 00:37:50 2006
Subject: [G4] sending mail from OSX Mail App
In-Reply-To: <23cd2742a83f6b508447289e55a3161c@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <C17E7A04.37B4%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>

On 13/11/2006 4:30 PM, "Doug Burton" <mdd867x2@roadrunner.com> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 12, 2006, at 9:33 PM, russells@strodtbeck.org wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I use Apple's Mail application for mail..I recently signed up with
>> Quest.com DSL internet. I understand they provide not email
>> service. I amp able to receive from my third party ISP mail accounts
>> with no problem. But cannot send mail out. I get a "Mail
>> delivery failed" error message. I called Quest and they said I need to
>> talk with my third party ISP. I configured as they
>> suggested and still no luck. I was wondering if anyone on the list
>> uses Quest.com broadband and if you have had any
>> experience this sending mail  from your email client.
>> 
>> Any suggestion would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Russell
> 
> Hmmm, you were able to send mail to this list, how was that
> accomplished?  Can't you just use the same method to send all of your
> email?
> 
> Just a message from Doug...

Russell,
Like Doug I am curious as to how you sent this e-mail if you cannot set up
mail in the first place (from another computer perhaps?)

My suggestion is simple. If Quest will not give you an e-mail service then
dump them. E-mail is so basic that if they don't offer it, then find another
ISP that will. It is such a basic part of what is expected of an ISP that I
would think the fair practices laws of most countries would require them to
be up front with this. If they were, but said that you can easily use a
third party, and if using a third party is not easy, then again, most
countries would consider this as misleading or inappropriate.

They should not be able to hold you to a contract if you cannot use their
service to a reasonable standard. Sending e-mail is both reasonable and
standard.

Tony,
http://www.tonyjohansen.com
A Life Of Art

From jperdman at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 13 05:01:03 2006
From: jperdman at earthlink.net (John Erdman)
Date: Mon Nov 13 05:02:01 2006
Subject: [G4] sending mail from OSX Mail App
In-Reply-To: <51077.1163388811@strodtbeck.org>
References: <51077.1163388811@strodtbeck.org>
Message-ID: <5B6FC55F-9FED-4D88-9D81-C90A6C304F32@earthlink.net>

Russell-
Yr problem sounded so strange.... ie I'd never heard of an ISP not  
offering eMail... I just HAD to investigate for myself.

Perhaps I'm completely off base here....

Googling for Quest.com leads to a software company that does not  
offer ISP services. So that can't be you.  No other Quest hits turned  
up any business that might offer ISP services.

On the other hand,  might it have been  Qwest.com you have signed up  
with?  If so then they do indeed offer email services, in fact up to  
10 emails address per DSL account. Their mail server is located at  
Qwest.net.

If you really want to pursue the 3rd party ISP's mail service it can  
be done. You have to make sure you have all the settings right in  
your mail account preferences. Especially looking at the "Outgoing  
mail server" address and the security settings associated with it   
Look under Mail>preferences > Accounts >Account information then the  
Outgoing Mail server (SMTP) and the server settings button. Your  
third party ISP should be able to help you with the proper settings.

  In fact you may have to visit this preference page should you need  
to set up a Qwest account!

Good luck.

You may contact me off list if you want some special help.

John






>

From tagteam1 at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 13 05:29:19 2006
From: tagteam1 at bellsouth.net (tagteam1@bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon Nov 13 05:29:38 2006
Subject: [G4] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20061113132919.OYWY27114.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>

please delete me from the list

From abrahambloom at verizon.net  Mon Nov 13 11:38:05 2006
From: abrahambloom at verizon.net (Abraham Bloom)
Date: Mon Nov 13 11:51:33 2006
Subject: [G4] G4 Quicksilver 2002 - Add a second NIC
Message-ID: <B917FE06-5D0C-49E7-A861-F45B3960D560@verizon.net>

Hi,

    What is involved in adding a second NIC to a G4 quicksilver?   I  
plugged in a linksys 10/100 but the G4 did not seem to see it on boot  
up.   What am I missing?

    Thanks

     Abraham Bloom


From jomph at xs4all.nl  Mon Nov 13 12:04:11 2006
From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel)
Date: Mon Nov 13 12:04:22 2006
Subject: [G4] G4 Quicksilver 2002 - Add a second NIC
In-Reply-To: <B917FE06-5D0C-49E7-A861-F45B3960D560@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C17E8E4B.48506%jomph@xs4all.nl>

On 13-11-2006 20:38, Abraham Bloom, abrahambloom@verizon.net, wrote:

> What is involved in adding a second NIC to a G4 quicksilver?   I
> plugged in a linksys 10/100 but the G4 did not seem to see it on boot
> up.   What am I missing?

What OS are you running?

Jo Hissel


From sumptin_sumptin at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 13 12:11:33 2006
From: sumptin_sumptin at yahoo.com (Bobby Wade)
Date: Mon Nov 13 12:11:40 2006
Subject: [G4] Networking
In-Reply-To: <FDABB3CD-E489-46F2-9463-53F8122ADBA6@richardklein.org>
Message-ID: <531461.60882.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rich, 

I put my hands on my "Setting Up Your Power Macintosh
G4" and I see the information about the ethernet port.
I am sure it is 400MHZ. I just have to find a good DSL
provider. 


--- Richard Klein <rich@richardklein.org> wrote:

> On Nov 12, 2006, at 3:20 PM, Bobby Wade wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am new to the list. I am embarking on the
> endeavour
> > to move out of stone age of dial-up internet
> service
> > to the modernity of high speed connection. My G4
> is
> > older and I wonder if is capable to handle the
> > increased rate of data? I believe it has an ether
> > connection which sits next to the input for
> dial-up
> > connection.
> 
> Bobby,
> 	I've used a 400MHz Gigabit Ethernet G4 on my DSL
> line, and it didn't  
> have any problem keeping up with web-browsing or
> file downloads, so I  
> don't think you'll have anything to worry about. 
> Which G4 exactly do  
> you have?
> 
> -- 
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From skygram at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 12:50:15 2006
From: skygram at gmail.com (SKYGRAM)
Date: Mon Nov 13 12:50:24 2006
Subject: [G4] Networking
In-Reply-To: <531461.60882.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <FDABB3CD-E489-46F2-9463-53F8122ADBA6@richardklein.org>
	<531461.60882.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1c7726e90611131250q458ab45rd3b1ea3a7c35570@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys!

I too have been using a 400MHz Gigabit Ethernet G4 on the Internet at
extreme high Internet speeds with no problems. It is still a great
machine. Only with the newer graphics programs does it show it's age.

The other advantage with these older G4 towers is their
upgradeability. Is that last one an actual word?

I intend to upgrade the CPU soon with a 1ghz processor. It should give
me a few more years of good use. That should cost me a couple of
hundred bucks and I have already installed a USB2 card for about
$30.00.

However I am worried that Leopard won't work on it when it is released
in the Spring...

Bill
From skygram at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 12:53:07 2006
From: skygram at gmail.com (SKYGRAM)
Date: Mon Nov 13 12:53:11 2006
Subject: [G4] G4 Quicksilver 2002 - Add a second NIC
In-Reply-To: <C17E8E4B.48506%jomph@xs4all.nl>
References: <B917FE06-5D0C-49E7-A861-F45B3960D560@verizon.net>
	<C17E8E4B.48506%jomph@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1c7726e90611131253r326dc757k23306e2a6452d0fe@mail.gmail.com>

Abraham,

Why are you not using an Ethernet hub instead?
Plus doesn't your Quicksilver have 1-/100/1000 Ethernet capabilities?

Bill
From philip.robar at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 16:30:50 2006
From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar)
Date: Mon Nov 13 16:31:12 2006
Subject: [G4] Networking
In-Reply-To: <1c7726e90611131250q458ab45rd3b1ea3a7c35570@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FDABB3CD-E489-46F2-9463-53F8122ADBA6@richardklein.org>
	<531461.60882.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1c7726e90611131250q458ab45rd3b1ea3a7c35570@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE39DB30-E2BB-4A31-AB2B-68915A2E5CC3@gmail.com>


On Nov 13, 2006, at 12:50 PM, SKYGRAM wrote:

> I too have been using a 400MHz Gigabit Ethernet G4 ...
>
> However I am worried that Leopard won't work on it when it is released
> in the Spring...

Leopard requires a G4 or newer.

Phil
--
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal  
opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it."
  -- Edward R. Murrow

From philip.robar at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 16:40:57 2006
From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar)
Date: Mon Nov 13 16:41:10 2006
Subject: [G4] G4 Quicksilver 2002 - Add a second NIC
In-Reply-To: <B917FE06-5D0C-49E7-A861-F45B3960D560@verizon.net>
References: <B917FE06-5D0C-49E7-A861-F45B3960D560@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4713BF2E-BD0A-4C11-953B-F48562E19337@gmail.com>


On Nov 13, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Abraham Bloom wrote:

> What is involved in adding a second NIC to a G4 quicksilver? I  
> plugged in a linksys 10/100 but the G4 did not seem to see it on  
> boot up. What am I missing?

Well the card has to be supported by a driver built into the OS or  
provided by the manufacturer. Takes a look here: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/OSX/os_x_network_cards.html


Phil
--
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we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only  
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American  
public."
-- Teddy Roosevelt 1918, US President 1901-1909


From skygram at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 16:53:22 2006
From: skygram at gmail.com (SKYGRAM)
Date: Mon Nov 13 16:53:30 2006
Subject: [G4] Networking
In-Reply-To: <AE39DB30-E2BB-4A31-AB2B-68915A2E5CC3@gmail.com>
References: <FDABB3CD-E489-46F2-9463-53F8122ADBA6@richardklein.org>
	<531461.60882.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1c7726e90611131250q458ab45rd3b1ea3a7c35570@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE39DB30-E2BB-4A31-AB2B-68915A2E5CC3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c7726e90611131653l333debb5je372f9a21a1cd9b1@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your input Philip.

Now I guess I'll have to keep Tiger on my G3  Ibook.

But it looks like I'll have to upgrade my good ol' reliable Macs pretty soon!

If you knew just how much I've worked these amazing machines you would
be impressed and so far they just keep truckin' along.

Bill
From wogears at fast.net  Mon Nov 13 16:59:32 2006
From: wogears at fast.net (Les Berkley)
Date: Mon Nov 13 16:58:50 2006
Subject: [G4] Mac Windows Network
Message-ID: <C17E7F24.20D%wogears@fast.net>

Hello!

I have my G4 400 (10.3.9) networked with three Winboxes. Following various
sets of instructions, I set up file sharing. Two problems are still plaguing
me. First, the Mac can't see all of the shares on the Wintel machines. I
haven't a clue why, since some of them are visible and accessible and others
aren't.

Second problem is that I created an account on the Mac (called "remote") to
allow me to log in from the XP boxes. Works fine, but of course I can only
'see' "remote's" folders, which doesn't help a lot, since that account has
no files! Any way I can get access to the files belonging to my main
identity from a Windows machine?

Thanks all,
Les


From earle.jones at comcast.net  Mon Nov 13 17:05:37 2006
From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones)
Date: Mon Nov 13 17:05:46 2006
Subject: [G4] Networking
In-Reply-To: <531461.60882.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <531461.60882.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DD7660FA-8D49-4F7D-9AF4-561B35891313@comcast.net>


On Nov 13, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Bobby Wade wrote:

> Rich,
>
> I put my hands on my "Setting Up Your Power Macintosh
> G4" and I see the information about the ethernet port.
> I am sure it is 400MHZ. I just have to find a good DSL
> provider.

*
Why DSL?

Why not a cable modem?

I routinely get 5mbps peaks and about 4mbps averages (download) with  
a Comcast cable modem. The cost is about $50/month.

earle
*

From baltwo at san.rr.com  Mon Nov 13 17:23:12 2006
From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis)
Date: Mon Nov 13 17:25:15 2006
Subject: [G4] Re: Unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <20061114004116.A65EB402A7F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
References: <20061114004116.A65EB402A7F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <f05210600c17ecaacf8ec@[192.168.1.101]>

On 11/13/06, <tagteam1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> please delete me from the list

Doesn't anyone read the header information? You'll have to do that yourself.

List-Unsubscribe: <http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4>,
	<mailto:g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com?subject=unsubscribe>
From russells at strodtbeck.org  Mon Nov 13 17:49:57 2006
From: russells at strodtbeck.org (russells@strodtbeck.org)
Date: Mon Nov 13 17:50:08 2006
Subject: [G4] Re: sending mail from OSX Mail App
Message-ID: <49291.1163468997@strodtbeck.org>

I appreciate all the comments from the list.. I am able to send email as I have an account on our website 
www.strodtbeck.org which is on hostway.com. I have no problem with sending mail out when logged into 3rd party servers. 
I also can receive mail on my OX X mail with not problem. 

When I  have been on other ISP other than Quest.com never had a problem setting up mail for outgoing. Quest.com provides 
Free MSN service which is for Windows and run on a PC.., which I  care not to use. Quest told me at the time that they do not 
provide email service other than through Quest.net which cost more..

I thought someone my have had experience with Quest.com and give a clue to configuring out going smtp..

I will have to get contact Quest again clarify this issue.. If this is their way, then I will have to send mail from my on line 
accounts. At least I can download mail.

thanks for the help

Russell


From chefgreg at mac.com  Mon Nov 13 18:00:20 2006
From: chefgreg at mac.com (Gregory Cortelyou)
Date: Mon Nov 13 18:00:57 2006
Subject: [G4] Re: Unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <f05210600c17ecaacf8ec@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <20061114004116.A65EB402A7F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
	<f05210600c17ecaacf8ec@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <29619A96-E1A6-419F-99DC-0A4477602E79@mac.com>


On Nov 13, 2006, at 8:23 PM, John Baltutis wrote:

> On 11/13/06, <tagteam1@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> please delete me from the list
>
> Doesn't anyone read the header information? You'll have to do that  
> yourself.
>
> List-Unsubscribe: <http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/ 
> listinfo/g4>,
> 	<mailto:g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com? 
> subject=unsubscribe>
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I am not the one who wants to unsubscribe, so don't shoot me, and I  
know how to do it, but I don't have that "header information" on my  
list emails. I use Apple's mail program. Anyway, the guy can use the  
link you posted.
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From senseamp at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 13 18:30:16 2006
From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven)
Date: Mon Nov 13 18:30:23 2006
Subject: [G4] Networking
In-Reply-To: <1c7726e90611131250q458ab45rd3b1ea3a7c35570@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <572907.40821.qm@web51111.mail.yahoo.com>

Ha!

I have one AGP G4 350MHz at home on cable, and one at
work on the company LAN. Both running Tiger, and
Microsoft Office, and browsing no problem. The one at
work seems to browse faster (my home cable seems
slower). This indicates that the speed of the incoming
data is the problem, not CPU power.

I do not think the best way to extract maximum dollar
value is always CPU speed. Both my machines have 1Gb
of RAM and run their OS from U160 SCSI drives. These
are driven by ATTO UL3D PCI cards. They are 64bit
cards using the full width of the 33MHz bus. If you
are still using the clunky old original ATA33
interface then you should remember that the hard drive
is slowest piece in your Mac!

I also did modest video card upgrades so I can run
Quartz extreme.

Upgradng the CPU does nothing for the slow system bus.
Depends on what you do with your machine. It's a
complicated game.

Cheers,
            John 
 
--- SKYGRAM <skygram@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys!
> 
> I too have been using a 400MHz Gigabit Ethernet G4
> on the Internet at
> extreme high Internet speeds with no problems. It is
> still a great
> machine. Only with the newer graphics programs does
> it show it's age.
> 
> The other advantage with these older G4 towers is
> their
> upgradeability. Is that last one an actual word?
> 
> I intend to upgrade the CPU soon with a 1ghz
> processor. It should give
> me a few more years of good use. That should cost me
> a couple of
> hundred bucks and I have already installed a USB2
> card for about
> $30.00.
> 
> However I am worried that Leopard won't work on it
> when it is released
> in the Spring...
> 
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
>
http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
> 
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> Mac and random stuff:
>          http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
> 



 
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From hecmac at comcast.net  Mon Nov 13 18:35:44 2006
From: hecmac at comcast.net (Hector I. Macedo)
Date: Mon Nov 13 18:36:03 2006
Subject: [G4] Safari bookmarks and mail boxes in Mail?
Message-ID: <C07EF2BD-E2CF-4604-A4CC-91C4C7FCED98@comcast.net>

This questions  may be somewhat off topic, but here they are.
On my QS 800, I was having many problems with the system, so I  
reinstalled 10.4 with the  archive option, so my previous system is  
still in the application folder. I want to recover the bookmarks from  
Safari and the mailboxes from Mail.  Where would I go to retrieve them?

Thanks

Hector
From abrahambloom at verizon.net  Tue Nov 14 01:59:25 2006
From: abrahambloom at verizon.net (Abraham Bloom)
Date: Tue Nov 14 01:59:45 2006
Subject: [G4] G4 Quicksilver 2002 - Add a second NIC
Message-ID: <0ECAC639-1A1C-410A-8EBF-DB0CC3834F17@verizon.net>

Jo,

	I am running OS X 10.4, never got into OS9

		Thanks
		Abraham


Message: 6
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:04:11 +0100
From: "J.M.P.Hissel" <jomph@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [G4] G4 Quicksilver 2002 - Add a second NIC
To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers."
	<g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
Message-ID: <C17E8E4B.48506%jomph@xs4all.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

On 13-11-2006 20:38, Abraham Bloom, abrahambloom@verizon.net, wrote:


> What is involved in adding a second NIC to a G4 quicksilver?   I
> plugged in a linksys 10/100 but the G4 did not seem to see it on boot
> up.   What am I missing?
>

What OS are you running?

Jo Hissel

From sumptin_sumptin at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 09:14:40 2006
From: sumptin_sumptin at yahoo.com (Bobby Wade)
Date: Tue Nov 14 09:14:48 2006
Subject: [G4] Networking
In-Reply-To: <DD7660FA-8D49-4F7D-9AF4-561B35891313@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20061114171440.61953.qmail@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Earle thanks for the response. I think you put your
finger on it when you mention price. I have to operate
within a budget. 

--- Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 13, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Bobby Wade wrote:
> 
> > Rich,
> >
> > I put my hands on my "Setting Up Your Power
> Macintosh
> > G4" and I see the information about the ethernet
> port.
> > I am sure it is 400MHZ. I just have to find a good
> DSL
> > provider.
> 
> *
> Why DSL?
> 
> Why not a cable modem?
> 
> I routinely get 5mbps peaks and about 4mbps averages
> (download) with  
> a Comcast cable modem. The cost is about $50/month.
> 
> earle
> *
> 
> _______________________________________________
> G4 mailing list
> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
>
http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4
> 
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage
> Mac and random stuff:
>          http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984
> 



 
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From dictator at rebargraphics.com  Wed Nov 22 07:55:59 2006
From: dictator at rebargraphics.com (jim carbone)
Date: Wed Nov 22 07:56:19 2006
Subject: [G4] Best solution for remote access
Message-ID: <4E4C1986-0B4A-46F9-A874-F062B0EC8F3F@rebargraphics.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm hoping someone can give me a pointer in the right direction,  
here... I'm looking for the best way to be able to access another mac  
on a remote network.

The specifics are as follows: I have a G4 Dual 1.25mhz MDD running  
Tiger, and I just purchased an 867mhz G4 for an employee who will be  
working from her home. She will want to connect the machine to her  
existing network, and I will want to be able to access her Mac  
whenever I need it. For the most part, this will be for transferring  
large files, but I may have need at some point to remotely maintain  
the machine as she's not familiar with Macs, and too far away for me  
to travel to for minor issues.

The other thing is that I don't want to have access to her entire  
network--just her Mac. We're both on broadband connections without  
static IPs, if that means anything.

I'm keen to do my research, but since this is all new to me, I  
wouldn't mind a helper as to where to start. Is Remote Desktop the  
way to go for everything I need, or is too much? It looks a little  
overwhelming (to both my head and wallet). Possibly Timbuktu? Or will  
I just be able to connect directly as a server? Cost is always a  
factor, but so is getting the right solution and not messing with  
something kludgy.

I appreciate any info you can offer!

Thanks,
--jim
From emaxxx4 at warpmail.net  Wed Nov 22 08:18:36 2006
From: emaxxx4 at warpmail.net (Eric Buczynski)
Date: Wed Nov 22 08:18:38 2006
Subject: [G4] Multi Macs
Message-ID: <1164212316.21202.277000747@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I recall seeing a video on YouTube where this University hooked up
hundreds of Mac G5s using nodes (I think) and chained them together in
order to combine the processing power of all those Macs chained
together.  i also remember a small sidebar in an old MacAddict Magazine
showing another school had done something similar using G4s.  Now I have
2 G4 Digital Audio models with one being a Sonnet-upgraded 1.2 ghz
machine, the other being a 733 mhz machine.  Would I need a PCI card of
some sort to achieve combining them together in order to form a faster
machine?  For those of you that laughed at my question I hope your
coffee or hot chocolate shot out of your nose as you read it, haha.  I
appreciate all help and i hope that everyone has a safe and filling
Thanksgiving.

Eric Buczynski
emax4.fortunecity.com
-- 
  Eric Buczynski
  emaxxx4@warpmail.net

From philip.robar at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 08:30:47 2006
From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar)
Date: Wed Nov 22 08:30:58 2006
Subject: [G4] Multi Macs
In-Reply-To: <1164212316.21202.277000747@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1164212316.21202.277000747@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <8BC1397E-EE53-4B1D-B9A7-529468A795B0@gmail.com>


On Nov 22, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Eric Buczynski wrote:

> I recall seeing a video on YouTube where this University hooked up
> hundreds of Mac G5s using nodes (I think) and chained them together in
> order to combine the processing power of all those Macs chained
> together. I also remember a small sidebar in an old MacAddict Magazine
> showing another school had done something similar using G4s. Now I  
> have
> 2 G4 Digital Audio models with one being a Sonnet-upgraded 1.2 ghz
> machine, the other being a 733 mhz machine. Would I need a PCI card of
> some sort to achieve combining them together in order to form a faster
> machine? For those of you that laughed at my question I hope your
> coffee or hot chocolate shot out of your nose as you read it, haha. I
> appreciate all help and i hope that everyone has a safe and filling
> Thanksgiving.

This is known as clustering and is only useful for programs that are  
specially written to take advantage of the cluster. For more info take  
a look a Apple's Xgrid software, which is one of easiest clustering  
solutions. Google on "xgrid" and skim through the top few hits.


Phil

From briang113 at pacbell.net  Wed Nov 22 09:56:49 2006
From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G)
Date: Wed Nov 22 09:56:56 2006
Subject: [G4] Best solution for remote access
In-Reply-To: <4E4C1986-0B4A-46F9-A874-F062B0EC8F3F@rebargraphics.com>
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There are some components built into OS X to do what you want. Go to  
systems preferences/sharing, from ther you can turn on what you  
need:  File sharing, remote login, etc. You must also be sure to open  
up and external firewalls, router etc if they are there. If it is a  
stand alone machine connected directly to the DSL modem or whatever  
connection it is, all you will need is the IP address.

Good luck

BG


On Nov 22, 2006, at 7:55 AM, jim carbone wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm hoping someone can give me a pointer in the right direction,  
> here... I'm looking for the best way to be able to access another  
> mac on a remote network.
>
> The specifics are as follows: I have a G4 Dual 1.25mhz MDD running  
> Tiger, and I just purchased an 867mhz G4 for an employee who will  
> be working from her home. She will want to connect the machine to  
> her existing network, and I will want to be able to access her Mac  
> whenever I need it. For the most part, this will be for  
> transferring large files, but I may have need at some point to  
> remotely maintain the machine as she's not familiar with Macs, and  
> too far away for me to travel to for minor issues.
>
> The other thing is that I don't want to have access to her entire  
> network--just her Mac. We're both on broadband connections without  
> static IPs, if that means anything.
>
> I'm keen to do my research, but since this is all new to me, I  
> wouldn't mind a helper as to where to start. Is Remote Desktop the  
> way to go for everything I need, or is too much? It looks a little  
> overwhelming (to both my head and wallet). Possibly Timbuktu? Or  
> will I just be able to connect directly as a server? Cost is always  
> a factor, but so is getting the right solution and not messing with  
> something kludgy.
>
> I appreciate any info you can offer!
>
> Thanks,
> --jim
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From dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 22 13:30:04 2006
From: dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com (c m)
Date: Wed Nov 22 13:30:22 2006
Subject: [G4] noticed something weird....
Message-ID: <20061122213004.69328.qmail@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

my g4 sawtooth running OS X 10.4.8 no longer makes the
signature "boom" sound like it used to when i turn it
on. it runs fine otherwise. anyone knows why?

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From glennsan at mac.com  Wed Nov 22 13:51:11 2006
From: glennsan at mac.com (Glenn E. Peterson)
Date: Wed Nov 22 13:51:21 2006
Subject: [G4] Multi Macs
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Eric,

	There are two ways of doing this to my knowledge and both involve  
software.  Either use a proprietary software package like Virginia  
Tech to combine the computers efforts or use Xgrid from Apple  
Server.  It is doable but could be expensive.

Glenn

Those to deny liberty to others do not deserve it themselves.  And  
under a just God will not long retain it.
Abraham Lincoln


On Nov 22, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Eric Buczynski wrote:

> I recall seeing a video on YouTube where this University hooked up
> hundreds of Mac G5s using nodes (I think) and chained them together in
> order to combine the processing power of all those Macs chained
> together.  i also remember a small sidebar in an old MacAddict  
> Magazine
> showing another school had done something similar using G4s.  Now I  
> have
> 2 G4 Digital Audio models with one being a Sonnet-upgraded 1.2 ghz
> machine, the other being a 733 mhz machine.  Would I need a PCI  
> card of
> some sort to achieve combining them together in order to form a faster
> machine?  For those of you that laughed at my question I hope your
> coffee or hot chocolate shot out of your nose as you read it, haha.  I
> appreciate all help and i hope that everyone has a safe and filling
> Thanksgiving.
>
> Eric Buczynski
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From nire01 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 14:41:02 2006
From: nire01 at gmail.com (Erin Owens)
Date: Wed Nov 22 14:41:11 2006
Subject: [G4] Airport Original and upgrades.
Message-ID: <206d2ae00611221441w19dda126nb439dbb801adda7e@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all:

I just got my first Mac ever, a PowerMac G4 400mhz with 2 harddrives (one
10gb and one 20gb).  And I absolutely love it.  (Its was upgraded by the
previous owner to have 768 ram)  The processor is a bit slow, but its great
other than that. (my old computer was a windows 98 home-build that I helped
put together myself with no sound card - so anything is awesome compared to
that!!)

I have two questions:

One: I'm looking to get an airport original for it from ebay.  Does anyone
have experience in installing one and what has your experience been?  Easy
or hard?  I've never cracked open the computer case yet, so I dont quite
know what I'm gettting myself into.  What type of tools should I need other
than a screwdriver?  Is it anything similar to a pc inside?

Two: I'm also looking to possibly upgrade the processor and harddrive.
Where would I go about looking for the correct hardware for this?  I know it
has to be specifically mac compatible, but does it absolutely have to be
manufactured by Apple?  And is this economical at all - or should I just
leave it as is?  I only paid 100 for the whole computer with 10.3.9 and
keyboard/mouse and speakers plus the 60 or so for the airport.  Is it worth
upgrading?

Thank you for any suggestions-
Erin
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From skygram at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 15:36:09 2006
From: skygram at gmail.com (SKYGRAM)
Date: Wed Nov 22 15:36:19 2006
Subject: [G4] Airport Original and upgrades.
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Erin,

I think you did well for your money. I too have an old G4-400Mhz and
it is a real work horse.

Check out this recent article at Low-End Mac.

http://lowendmac.com/fishkin/06/1031.html

I recently added a Belkin USB2 PCI card. I installed it myself. It
took 2 minutes. I have also added a Pioneer DWR-111D. It is a dual
sided DVD burner. It took about 15 minutes to install. There are sites
online to show you how to do this.

Download the user manual for your unit at the Apple web site. It is a
PDF file. It shows you how to add extra hard drives and an Airport
card among other things.

The Apple site also has short videos showing you how to do certain
small installations. Such as installing CD/DVD burners and hard drives
and other add-on cards. Check those out too.

However Airport cards themselves are now relatively hard to find for
that generation of Mac and can be expensive because of this. The new
Airport Extreme models don't fit. Check out eBay for the old ones.

You can use other wireless adapters made by other companies as well. I
installed one last night on a friend's G4-500. Again it took two
minutes and it worked flawlessly. It was a Belkin PCI card type. It
cost about $35.00us. I bought it at Best Buy.

Also check out http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/

I have found that site invaluble for upgrade information.

Ciao!
Bill
Montreal
From briang113 at pacbell.net  Wed Nov 22 15:51:40 2006
From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G)
Date: Wed Nov 22 15:51:56 2006
Subject: [G4] Airport Original and upgrades.
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