From adriansmac at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 22:36:01 2007 From: adriansmac at gmail.com (Adrian Abraham) Date: Thu Aug 9 22:36:16 2007 Subject: [G4] iMovie 08 does not support G4s Message-ID: <0156D60D-A30B-435E-A5CC-D7E47E24A744@gmail.com> Signs of the times, think we can expect more of this from Apple ? -- Regards Adrian PowerMac G4 Digital Audio OSX.4.10 From fsudore at mac.com Fri Aug 10 04:10:35 2007 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Fri Aug 10 04:10:49 2007 Subject: [G4] iMovie 08 does not support G4s In-Reply-To: <0156D60D-A30B-435E-A5CC-D7E47E24A744@gmail.com> References: <0156D60D-A30B-435E-A5CC-D7E47E24A744@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3542124A-F089-4097-B682-666B39B810D9@mac.com> Adrian, I am a little PPEVED at Apple as I have a Dual 1.4 MDD G-4 that will not even run Aperture. (But you can install it on a 12"single 1.2 g-4 laptop, go figure.) I-works will install but I have not the courage to try it yet. Stay Tuned. PS It may be because you need allot of processor power to support that HD format. On Aug 10, 2007, at 1:36 AM, Adrian Abraham wrote: > Signs of the times, think we can expect more of this from Apple ? > -- > Regards > Adrian > PowerMac G4 Digital Audio OSX.4.10 > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070810/e7c4976f/attachment.html From richspk at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 18:18:02 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Sat Aug 11 18:18:15 2007 Subject: [G4] iMovie 08 does not support G4s In-Reply-To: <3542124A-F089-4097-B682-666B39B810D9@mac.com> References: <0156D60D-A30B-435E-A5CC-D7E47E24A744@gmail.com> <3542124A-F089-4097-B682-666B39B810D9@mac.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30708111818n62255507g8d3db2c06ab1e019@mail.gmail.com> You can hack Aperture to install on Power Mac G4s. I don't remember exactly how I did it, but I installed it on my 933MHz Quicksilver. I think I edited a .jpref file or something. It's more or less JavaScript, and you can see what it's checking for. It checks to see if the Mac's Intel or not. If not, it checks if it's a G5. If not a G5, then it checks to see if it's a laptop. If it's not a laptop, then it fails. If it detects an Intel Mac it doesn't check the speed, but after every other test it checks to see if the clock speed meets a minimum. I think I commented out the check for the laptop and changed the minimum speed it was checking for. Google for Aperture G4 hack or crack. That's how I found out about it. It's not about getting Aperture for free; it's just about getting it to install on hardware that doesn't meet the system requirements. This page should get you started: http://minimal.cx/2007/08/10/aperture-154-hack/ I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar hack turn up eventually for iMovie 08 that'll let us install it on our G4s. Whether or not it'll run acceptably fast is another story. -- Rich On 8/10/07, Frank Sudore wrote: > Adrian, > I am a little PPEVED at Apple as I have a Dual 1.4 MDD G-4 that will not > even run Aperture. > (But you can install it on a 12"single 1.2 g-4 laptop, go figure.) > I-works will install but I have not the courage to try it yet. > Stay Tuned. > PS > It may be because you need allot of processor power to support that HD > format. > > > On Aug 10, 2007, at 1:36 AM, Adrian Abraham wrote: > > Signs of the times, think we can expect more of this from Apple ? > -- > Regards > Adrian > PowerMac G4 Digital Audio OSX.4.10 From mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com Sat Aug 11 18:51:42 2007 From: mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com (Doug Burton) Date: Sat Aug 11 18:51:48 2007 Subject: [G4] SIIG Ultra 133 pro card Message-ID: <23d9bd8d738b45b31937494080bab6a3@roadrunner.com> I recently purchased this card for use with my 533 Mhz DA in order to use a couple of new Seagate 250 Gb HD's. Upon installation of the card and drives I found I could not partition/format the drives. I got the "You need to restart your computer" message each time I tried. I repeated this entire scenario using 10.3.9 as well as 10.4.10 with the same results. SIIG support suggested using a 40 pin/40 wire cable instead of the 40 pin/80 wire cable they provided which did allow me to partition/format the drives to their full capacity. Of course using this cable negates the speed advantage which was why I switched from my B&W to the DA. Before I return this card to OWC for a different one I was wondering if anyone else had this problem and perhaps found a better remedy than using the different cable. Just a message from Doug... From kathialexis at cox.net Sun Aug 12 19:29:14 2007 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Sun Aug 12 19:29:19 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger Message-ID: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 Quicksilver. The 40 gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple upgrade specs, but I don't have built-in Airport. I see no reason to use wireless on a desktop; the hard connection is only a few feet away. Will I have any problems upgrading to Tiger? Apple tells me that I need built-in Airport. Any info is appreciated. Thanks, Kathi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070812/4a305490/attachment.html From techpriest at ourlair.com Sun Aug 12 19:36:29 2007 From: techpriest at ourlair.com (Techpriest) Date: Sun Aug 12 19:36:42 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> References: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: <7FA2248D-164A-4769-855B-5D5DAB3A74E2@ourlair.com> No airport on my G4/533 and I installed Tiger just fine. On Aug 12, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 > Quicksilver. The 40 gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple > upgrade specs, but I don?t have built-in Airport. > > I see no reason to use wireless on a desktop; the hard connection > is only a few feet away. Will I have any problems upgrading to > Tiger? Apple tells me that I need built-in Airport. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070812/e9458c1a/attachment-0001.html From fsudore at mac.com Sun Aug 12 20:08:37 2007 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Sun Aug 12 20:08:46 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> References: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: <2F335369-DD22-4815-9CE6-597A785FBED1@mac.com> You don't need Airport. What you will need is a bigger HD. 40 is Way too small. Get at least an 80. Tiger is on all of my machines at work form a 533 G-4 to an MacPro Intel Tower. Also up your ram if you can but I think 1.5 gigs is all you can put in a QS. On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 > Quicksilver. The 40 gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple > upgrade specs, but I don?t have built-in Airport. > > I see no reason to use wireless on a desktop; the hard connection > is only a few feet away. Will I have any problems upgrading to > Tiger? Apple tells me that I need built-in Airport. > > Any info is appreciated. > > Thanks, Kathi > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070812/80635740/attachment.html From techpriest at ourlair.com Sun Aug 12 20:29:19 2007 From: techpriest at ourlair.com (Techpriest) Date: Sun Aug 12 20:29:32 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <2F335369-DD22-4815-9CE6-597A785FBED1@mac.com> References: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> <2F335369-DD22-4815-9CE6-597A785FBED1@mac.com> Message-ID: <323B13BF-7CD9-4F4A-8F5E-43F11C715120@ourlair.com> Just keep in mind the drive limits on these machines if you shop for a new drive. My G4 Digital Audio can only see 100gb, no matter how big the drive is. As for 40 not being big enough, it really depends on what you want to do. I have 80 gig. 30gb is music, 20gig is pics and videos, I have 12 gig free. So Tiger and all my apps only take up 20gig. On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Frank Sudore wrote: > You don't need Airport. What you will need is a bigger HD. 40 is > Way too small. Get at least an 80. > Tiger is on all of my machines at work form a 533 G-4 to an MacPro > Intel Tower. Also up your ram if you can but I think 1.5 gigs is > all you can put in a QS. > > On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > From lorensmedberg at hotmail.com Sun Aug 12 21:43:27 2007 From: lorensmedberg at hotmail.com (Loren Smedberg) Date: Sun Aug 12 21:43:35 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger Message-ID: I was sort of forced to up grade my QS 733 - Mac in tax finally needed to have 10.3 something & I was still running 9.2.2 - along with the original 10.1 that I never used. I went out & bought Tiger 10.4 , I then ordered a dvdr from Other World Computing $45.00, Also an ATA 133 card (now the comp. recognizes large drives) also installed a 120 GB & 250 GB set of hard drives, So it now has 3 hard drives installed. Memory is maxed @ 1.5 GB. With new hard drives & Dvdr installed I then did a clean install of Tiger on the 120 GB 7200 rpm with 8 mb cache , that speeded things up a bunch! Since then I also added a USB 2 card. & a new processor - 1.467 Ghz. with 2 MB L3 Cache ($259.00 OWC), Then just switched out monitors & got a brand new View Sonic 22"monitor VX2255 from Costco a couple of days ago. They are $299.00 in store & they are a lot better than the model that they replaced - It's running @ 1680 X 1050 & seems a lot sharper than my old 17" Apple LCD that I bought back in 2001. I might add that it's running just fine with the stock 32 MB video card that came with the QS. I did all this with never a hickup from the trusty old QS. and with out an Airport Card. About the only upgrade I can do now is a new computer. http://web.mac.com/lorensmedberg/iWeb ---------------------------------------- > From: techpriest@ourlair.com > Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:29:19 -0500 > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > Just keep in mind the drive limits on these machines if you shop for > a new drive. My G4 Digital Audio can only see 100gb, no matter how > big the drive is. > > As for 40 not being big enough, it really depends on what you want to > do. I have 80 gig. 30gb is music, 20gig is pics and videos, I have > 12 gig free. So Tiger and all my apps only take up 20gig. > > On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Frank Sudore wrote: > > > You don't need Airport. What you will need is a bigger HD. 40 is > > Way too small. Get at least an 80. > > Tiger is on all of my machines at work form a 533 G-4 to an MacPro > > Intel Tower. Also up your ram if you can but I think 1.5 gigs is > > all you can put in a QS. > > > > On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _________________________________________________________________ Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_wlmailtextlink From mr.a2l1 at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 21:55:53 2007 From: mr.a2l1 at gmail.com (A2L1) Date: Sun Aug 12 21:56:01 2007 Subject: [G4] extra printer drivers Message-ID: <9344bed00708122155v1469795csb2f921bc609486bd@mail.gmail.com> Hi,I am trying to regain some of my drive space and cant seem to find out how to remove the unnecessaty files and drivers. I have tinker tools and did the language thing and all but I know I have the "extra" printer drivers installed and know they take a ton of space. Can anyone tell me how to remove all the drivers other than the ones I am using without doing an install? Actually can anyone recommend any other "space saving" deletions that would help? I am running 10.4.10 on a 1.42 mini with 1 gig ram. I do have a rather large iTunes file,I like "my music" and use the mini as a jukebox and background music box and thats is the single largest use of drive space but not one I am willing to remove or "thin out". Ant help/advice/opinions will be appreciated. Thank you, A J -- mr.a2l1ATgmailDOTcom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070813/af075ee0/attachment.html From Renz_Douglas at roberts.edu Mon Aug 13 05:08:34 2007 From: Renz_Douglas at roberts.edu (Renz_Douglas) Date: Mon Aug 13 05:08:45 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <7FA2248D-164A-4769-855B-5D5DAB3A74E2@ourlair.com> References: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> <7FA2248D-164A-4769-855B-5D5DAB3A74E2@ourlair.com> Message-ID: unsubscribe From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Techpriest Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:36 PM To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger No airport on my G4/533 and I installed Tiger just fine. On Aug 12, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 Quicksilver. The 40 gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple upgrade specs, but I don't have built-in Airport. I see no reason to use wireless on a desktop; the hard connection is only a few feet away. Will I have any problems upgrading to Tiger? Apple tells me that I need built-in Airport. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070813/8ab18f01/attachment.html From obgraph at hiwaay.net Mon Aug 13 06:22:47 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Mon Aug 13 06:25:04 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> References: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: <20070813082247.907853.90900b3a@hiwaay.net> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:29:14 -0700, Kathi Anderson wrote: > I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 > Quicksilver. The 40 gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple > upgrade specs, but I don?t have built-in Airport. > I see no reason to use wireless on a desktop; the hard connection > is only a few feet away. Will I have any problems upgrading to > Tiger? Apple tells me that I need built-in Airport I don't know why they say that. I'm running Tiger on my QS800 with no Airport. You might consider getting a bigger HD, although you could probably continue with 40. I'd get a 120 just because. Your RAM should be fine -- I have iGig and run no problem w/several apps. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From obgraph at hiwaay.net Mon Aug 13 06:30:46 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Mon Aug 13 06:30:55 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <323B13BF-7CD9-4F4A-8F5E-43F11C715120@ourlair.com> References: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> <2F335369-DD22-4815-9CE6-597A785FBED1@mac.com> <323B13BF-7CD9-4F4A-8F5E-43F11C715120@ourlair.com> Message-ID: <20070813083046.404031.a360707e@hiwaay.net> > Just keep in mind the drive limits on these machines if you shop > for a new drive. My G4 Digital Audio can only see 100gb, no matter > how big the drive is..... Hmmm...I don't find that to be true with *my* QS: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 Machine Model: PowerMac3,5 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.1) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 800 MHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed: 133 MHz I'm running an 80 and a 120 at full capacity. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From cdt at globaldsl.net Mon Aug 13 06:48:31 2007 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (Daniel Tellier) Date: Mon Aug 13 06:48:59 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <20070813083046.404031.a360707e@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: O'brian is correct. As I understand it, there are both hardware (PCI card) and software fixes to the fact that many of the G4 models could not see anything beyond 127 GB of hard drive space, regardless of the size of the drive. Check the macintosh discussion forums and you will see considerable information on how to do this. Many systems are running multiple internal drives (5 is the most I know of) AND very large ones (500 GB). I have also never heard of airport being required for an upgrade. My G4 400 Mhz gigabit ethernet runs Panther quite well and does not have airport. On Monday, August 13, 2007, at 09:30 AM, O'Brien wrote: >> Just keep in mind the drive limits on these machines if you shop >> for a new drive. My G4 Digital Audio can only see 100gb, no matter >> how big the drive is..... > > Hmmm...I don't find that to be true with *my* QS: > > Machine Name: Power Mac G4 > Machine Model: PowerMac3,5 > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.1) > Number Of CPUs: 1 > CPU Speed: 800 MHz > L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB > Memory: 1 GB > Bus Speed: 133 MHz > > I'm running an 80 and a 120 at full capacity. > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 07:03:20 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Aug 13 07:03:32 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <20070813083046.404031.a360707e@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <492477.66351.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I agree. I have a Gigabit G4 dual 450MHz that was running Panther from a SCSI drive. I added a 160Gb Maxtor IDE hard drive on the standard internal bus. Disk Utility saw it as a 128Gb drive and formatted it successfully as such. The 160Gb was so cheap I don't worry about the lost 32Gb! Latter I cloned (carbon copy cloner) the SCSI drive onto this IDE drive and was able to boot normally from it. My experience with Tiger suggests that I could expect that to perform the same. John --- O'Brien wrote: > > Just keep in mind the drive limits on these > machines if you shop > > for a new drive. My G4 Digital Audio can only see > 100gb, no matter > > how big the drive is..... > > Hmmm...I don't find that to be true with *my* QS: > > Machine Name: Power Mac G4 > Machine Model: PowerMac3,5 > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.1) > Number Of CPUs: 1 > CPU Speed: 800 MHz > L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB > Memory: 1 GB > Bus Speed: 133 MHz > > I'm running an 80 and a 120 at full capacity. > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From nagable at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 07:57:26 2007 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Mon Aug 13 07:57:39 2007 Subject: [G4] extra printer drivers Message-ID: <081320071457.20997.46C07156000D6DFA0000520522165662760A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: A2L1 Subject: [G4] extra printer drivers Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:56:04 +0000 Size: 648 Url: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070813/f95a9a78/attachment.mht From harry at gifutiger.com Mon Aug 13 09:08:54 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Aug 13 09:09:02 2007 Subject: [G4] extra printer drivers In-Reply-To: <9344bed00708122155v1469795csb2f921bc609486bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <9344bed00708122155v1469795csb2f921bc609486bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Do a http:/www.dogpile.com/ search for Printer Setup Repair - 5.1 TE ---------------------------------------------------- Product Description: Printer Setup Repair is designed to rectify situations where the Printer Setup Utility will not open, printers cannot be added, CUPS fails to operate, and numerous other errors. Although Printer Setup Repair cannot fix every printing problem, it is capable of resolving most of the common ones. Printer Setup Repair can also be used to delete unwanted printer drivers, remove a build up of spool files, and recreate the /tmp symbolic link. ---------------------------------------------------- Or you can access the WEB page here. http://www.fixamac.net/software/psr5/index.php ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Aug 12, 2007, at 9:55 PM, A2L1 wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to regain some of my drive space and cant seem to find out > how to remove the unnecessaty files and drivers. I have tinker tools > and did the language thing and all but I know I have the "extra" > printer drivers installed and know they take a ton of space. Can > anyone tell me how to remove all the drivers other than the ones I am > using without doing an install? > Actually can anyone recommend any other "space saving" deletions that > would help? > I am running 10.4.10 on a 1.42 mini with 1 gig ram.? > ?I do have a rather large iTunes file,I like "my music" and use the > mini as a jukebox and background music box and thats is the single > largest use of drive space but not one I am willing to remove or "thin > out". > Ant help/advice/opinions will be appreciated. > Thank you, > A J > -- Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From harry at gifutiger.com Mon Aug 13 09:25:24 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Aug 13 09:25:34 2007 Subject: [G4] PC2600 vs PC2700 for MDD 333Mhz In-Reply-To: References: <20070813133104.4D6DE12FBF83@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <2e54715690e4d46c2af9eccde42ccd84@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Your platform will only run as fast as your slowest memory modules. ---------------------------------------------------- On Aug 13, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: > System Profiler reports PC2600U-30330 but I find very scarce > information on that DIMM. If I add a pair of 512 PC2700's, how much > will their speed be downgraded by the presences of the PC2600's? > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From mr.a2l1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 10:08:05 2007 From: mr.a2l1 at gmail.com (A2L1) Date: Mon Aug 13 10:08:11 2007 Subject: [G4] extra printer drivers-more Message-ID: <9344bed00708131008g717b978dwdc4172cd39a2559b@mail.gmail.com> Thanks everyone,I do have over 30 gigs of iTunes. What I am trying to do is to eliminate any and all unnecessary files from the internal hard drive. I do have external drives. Actually made a tower with 4 250 gig harddrives and converted it from SCSI to firewire and use that for the "additional space". I do alot of movie modification/conversion and rather than let it run from the external drives I use the internal drive then move it to the external storage for later effects or modification at which time I return it to the internal drive. The mini seems happier when the work is done on the internal drive. Since I dont want the drive tower to run all the time I prefer to keep the iTunes on the internal drive. The movie work is moved to an external drive when I am done playing with, it until later. I am looking to gain about 5-6 gigs minimum of space to make the movie work "more comfortable". Currently out of an 80 gig internal drive(which shows as a 74.4 gig drive I have 19 gigs free, 55.8 used. With 30 gigs as itunes that means that there is about 25 gigs MOL of operating system and apps, if 3.8/4 gig is apps then the rest is just OS X. This seems excessive for just the OS and I wanted to trim it down. Here is the problem. I dont know where to look or what I can trim off. I am guessing I can eliminate all the logs but dont really think that they take up that much room. I know the "extra" printer drivers and info is a really big chunk of space so would like to eliminate that ( I will try the Printer Set Up and Repair). I just dont know what else to look for. The mini is actually running well and does the movie modification well. I removed the cover and am using it "open", without the top. I also removed the superdrive and am using an external firewire Sony dual layer drive and this is working well. The mini stays cool and the fan very rarely kicks on, and the external Sony is faster than the old internal superdrive so that works well. With all the storage on the external drives I dont have storage issues or heat issues with the mini so everything is really working according to plan other than this 25 gigs of OS. I am open to ideas. I really dont want to do a fresh install just because it is a pain but am starting to consider it and will probably have to if I cant recoup some drive space. Thank you for your ideas and information and I am open to any suggestions. A J -- mr.a2l1ATgmailDOTcom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070813/047f62a6/attachment-0001.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Mon Aug 13 10:43:23 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Mon Aug 13 10:43:47 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <20070813133104.93BA812FBF86@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070813133104.93BA812FBF86@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 08/12/07, Techpriest wrote: > On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > >> I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 >> Quicksilver. The 40 gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple >> upgrade specs, but I don?t have built-in Airport. > > Just keep in mind the drive limits on these machines if you shop for > a new drive. My G4 Digital Audio can only see 100gb, no matter how > big the drive is. The limitation is 128 GB. has the details. Additionally, indicates no Airport requirement, but does indicate a FireWire requirement. From richspk at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 10:44:07 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Mon Aug 13 10:44:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> <7FA2248D-164A-4769-855B-5D5DAB3A74E2@ourlair.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30708131044x100f212cqb32de7bd78b5a570@mail.gmail.com> On 8/13/07, Renz_Douglas wrote: > > unsubscribe That's a good idea, but I don't think it'll help Kathi. > On Aug 12, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > > I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 Quicksilver. The 40 > gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple upgrade specs, but I don't > have built-in Airport. > > I see no reason to use wireless on a desktop; the hard connection is only a > few feet away. Will I have any problems upgrading to Tiger? Apple tells me > that I need built-in Airport. Your Quicksilver shouldn't have any problem with Tiger. You certainly don't need any kind of wireless card to run Tiger. Perhaps they meant that you need Airport if you want to experience every last feature that Tiger offers, including wireless connectivity. If you're just going to plug in an ethernet cable then there's no reason to add an Airport card to the computer. -- Rich 933MHz Quicksilver 1.5GB RAM 120GB IDE drive From mr.a2l1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 10:44:44 2007 From: mr.a2l1 at gmail.com (A2L1) Date: Mon Aug 13 10:44:55 2007 Subject: [G4] extra printer drivers -- I found something Message-ID: <9344bed00708131044ye744fc2ob5380fabc2200473@mail.gmail.com> Hi all,Well as I was stumbling along and googling I found an app called Monolingual. This app removes all the language additions to all the apps and OSX itself. I ran this app and kept only english, let it remove all the other languages associated with the various apps, etc, and I gained ***9GIGS**. I wouldnt have believed it without seeing it myself. There was a ton of language stuff with Adobe and the rest of the apps all the French,Spanish,etc stuff was removed by this app and I have "recovered" a substantial amount of my hard drive space. I am still going to be looking around to see if there is anything else I can do. I would appreciate any input and I hope my informations can help someone else. Thanks, A J -- mr.a2l1ATgmailDOTcom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070813/f1ccd521/attachment.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Mon Aug 13 11:00:09 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Mon Aug 13 11:00:26 2007 Subject: [G4] extra printer drivers-more In-Reply-To: <20070813170823.1A33113007AD@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070813170823.1A33113007AD@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 08/13/07, A2L1 wrote: > > Thanks everyone ,I do have over 30 gigs of iTunes. What I am trying to do is > to eliminate any and all unnecessary files from the internal hard drive. I > do have external drives. Actually made a tower with 4 250 gig harddrives and > converted it from SCSI to firewire and use that for the "additional space". > I do alot of movie modification/conversion and rather than let it run from > the external drives I use the internal drive then move it to the external > storage for later effects or modification at which time I return it to the > internal drive. The mini seems happier when the work is done on the internal > drive. > Since I dont want the drive tower to run all the time I prefer to keep the > iTunes on the internal drive. The movie work is moved to an external drive > when I am done playing with, it until later. > I am looking to gain about 5-6 gigs minimum of space to make the movie work > "more comfortable". Currently out of an 80 gig internal drive(which shows as > a 74.4 gig drive I have 19 gigs free, 55.8 used. With 30 gigs as itunes that > means that there is about 25 gigs MOL of operating system and apps, if 3.8/4 > gig is apps then the rest is just OS X. This seems excessive for just the OS > and I wanted to trim it down. IMHO, 30 GB of iTunes is excessive. That said, however, the OS is probably taking up less than 5 GB. The rest are associated with applications. The easiest thing to do is remove unnecessary foreign language .lproj files. I use DeLocalizer for that. See for details. BTW, the only drawback to running your tower anytime your using the computer is the minimal power usage. NOTE: Some Adobe apps have problems when you remove certain .lproj folders; you'll have to determine which and what to do in that case. You can safely remove any printer stuff you don't have from /Library/Printers/, but in no case should you remove anything else from /Library, /System, or any of the root-level hidden folders unless you know exactly what you're doing and you're willing to suffer a destroyed OS. From wayne at troutnc.com Mon Aug 13 11:10:51 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Mon Aug 13 11:11:00 2007 Subject: [G4] extra printer drivers -- I found something In-Reply-To: <9344bed00708131044ye744fc2ob5380fabc2200473@mail.gmail.com> References: <9344bed00708131044ye744fc2ob5380fabc2200473@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46C09EAB.6010907@troutnc.com> A2L1 wrote: > Hi all, > Well as I was stumbling along and googling I found an app called > Monolingual. This app removes all the language additions to all the apps > and OSX itself. I ran this app and kept only english, let it remove all > the other languages associated with the various apps, etc, and I gained > ***9GIGS**. > I wouldnt have believed it without seeing it myself. There was a ton of > language stuff with Adobe and the rest of the apps all the > French,Spanish,etc stuff was removed by this app and I have "recovered" > a substantial amount of my hard drive space. I am still going to be > looking around to see if there is anything else I can do. > I would appreciate any input and I hope my informations can help someone > else. > > Thanks, > > A J > > -- > mr.a2l1ATgmailDOTcom > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 you could always clone your startup volume to one of your externals, along with any file storage on your boot volume/disk. Then drop in a larger internal drive and clone back to it. You say your mini likes the internal better than the external drives. Don't know quite what that means, but maybe it has to do with various bus speeds depending on SATA, PATA, 400/800 Firewire, USB, or eSATA. What about one of these?: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/FWU2ESMSV3/ In your movie work, I would think that reading and writing to different drives would be much speedier than reading and writing simo to the same drive. But perhaps you are already doing that. The actual "work" on the files may be done in RAM using temporary files, the location of which may be set in the application's preferences. That being the case, you could select a file that resides on an external drive and set the temp file on the internal. The above is conjecture, of course, not knowing your apps or configuration. Just trying to provide some food for thought. From wayne at troutnc.com Mon Aug 13 11:12:52 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Mon Aug 13 11:12:45 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: References: <20070813133104.93BA812FBF86@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <46C09F24.7050709@troutnc.com> John Baltutis wrote: > On 08/12/07, Techpriest wrote: >> On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: >> >>> I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 >>> Quicksilver. The 40 gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple >>> upgrade specs, but I don?t have built-in Airport. >> Just keep in mind the drive limits on these machines if you shop for >> a new drive. My G4 Digital Audio can only see 100gb, no matter how >> big the drive is. > > The limitation is 128 GB. > has the details. > Additionally, indicates > no Airport requirement, but does indicate a FireWire requirement. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Actually 137 GB. Wonder why nobody makes a drive that size ? From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 11:34:51 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Aug 13 11:34:58 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <46C09F24.7050709@troutnc.com> Message-ID: <302621.86542.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wayne, that's not my experience. As I said, when putting in a 160Gb drive Disk Utility recognized the drive as 128Gb and formated that amount only. Where do you get 137Gb from? John --- Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > Actually 137 GB. Wonder why nobody makes a drive > that size ? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From ewood at izoom.net Mon Aug 13 11:41:01 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Mon Aug 13 11:37:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <46C09F24.7050709@troutnc.com> References: <20070813133104.93BA812FBF86@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <46C09F24.7050709@troutnc.com> Message-ID: I am running a pair of SATA drives in my G4. Seems the best way to upgrade. One drive is a 500 GB. Eric From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon Aug 13 11:54:23 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon Aug 13 11:54:27 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> References: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: On Aug 12, 2007, at 7:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > Will I have any problems upgrading to Tiger? Apple tells me that I > need built-in Airport. I'm not sure where you got THAT information. The Tiger box clearly states that "built-in FireWire" is required, not Airport. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070813/3505a278/attachment-0001.html From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon Aug 13 12:04:15 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon Aug 13 12:04:23 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <2F335369-DD22-4815-9CE6-597A785FBED1@mac.com> References: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> <2F335369-DD22-4815-9CE6-597A785FBED1@mac.com> Message-ID: <862C6A88-2807-422B-8311-F5D6CF1AE330@mac.com> On Aug 12, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Frank Sudore wrote: > You don't need Airport. What you will need is a bigger HD. 40 is > Way too small. Get at least an 80. > Tiger is on all of my machines at work form a 533 G-4 to an MacPro > Intel Tower. Also up your ram if you can but I think 1.5 gigs is > all you can put in a QS. Why say that a bigger hard drive and more RAM are needed? If you check the needs listed on the box, you can read the minimum requirements and they are nowhere near what you are saying. Maybe you have never tried using the "custom" install option? I can install OS 10.4 in as little as 1.9Gb of space by eliminating the printer drivers that are not going to be used, the foreign fonts, and the foreign language support. You should not tell someone to do something to their Mac just because your Mac/Macs are bigger, faster, or newer. You are right about one thing, the QS can only recognize 1.5Gb of RAM according to MacTracker. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070813/f49e86b5/attachment.html From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 12:43:20 2007 From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net) Date: Mon Aug 13 12:43:29 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: PC2600 vs PC2700 for MDD 333Mhz In-Reply-To: <20070813170822.BE23613007AC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070813170822.BE23613007AC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 13 Aug 2007 at 09:25:24 -0700 Harry Freeman wrote: >On Aug 13, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: > >>System Profiler reports PC2600U-30330 but I find very scarce >>information on that DIMM. If I add a pair of 512 PC2700's, how much >>will their speed be downgraded by the presences of the PC2600's? > >Your platform will only run as fast as your slowest memory modules. Yeah...I knew the qualitative answer as implied in the question. I'm still looking for the **QUANTITATIVE** answer..."HOW much?" From harry at gifutiger.com Mon Aug 13 13:04:35 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Aug 13 13:04:43 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: PC2600 vs PC2700 for MDD 333Mhz In-Reply-To: References: <20070813170822.BE23613007AC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <4ad6b1299164c05948c5f4503b375b32@gifutiger.com> Have a look at this dialog http://www.2-popforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-79616.html ---------------------------------------------------- On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: > On 13 Aug 2007 at 09:25:24 -0700 Harry Freeman wrote: > >> On Aug 13, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> System Profiler reports PC2600U-30330 but I find very scarce >>> information on that DIMM. If I add a pair of 512 PC2700's, how much >>> will their speed be downgraded by the presences of the PC2600's? >> >> Your platform will only run as fast as your slowest memory modules. > > Yeah...I knew the qualitative answer as implied in the question. > I'm still looking for the **QUANTITATIVE** answer..."HOW much?" > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From mr.a2l1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 13:28:22 2007 From: mr.a2l1 at gmail.com (A2L1) Date: Mon Aug 13 13:28:32 2007 Subject: [G4] extra printer drivers -- I found something In-Reply-To: <46C09EAB.6010907@troutnc.com> References: <9344bed00708131044ye744fc2ob5380fabc2200473@mail.gmail.com> <46C09EAB.6010907@troutnc.com> Message-ID: <9344bed00708131328j10119d74n1e42168c4a395949@mail.gmail.com> Ok, Here is what I am primarily aiming at. My internal drive as it is shown on the desktop,labeled OSX 10.4 has a capacity of 74.41 gigs according to the get info. So for starters going from an 80 gig drive as listed on the drive to 74.4 tells me something isnt exactly right. For now I will just ignore that and go with the 74.4 as the drive space. Now when I open the 10.4 folder, which should be the entire internal drive I have 4 folders. In order these are Applications, Library, System,and Users. Ok here is where I get lost, the folders(using the get info) are as follows, Apps=3.25 gig, Library+1.9 gig, System=1.14 gigs and Users=36 Gigs (mostly the iTunes). If one totals this it comes to 42.55 gigs. With a 74.4 starting point and subtracting the folder totals the result is 31.86 gigs but the info shows 74.4 gigs total, 55.02 gigs used and 19.39 gigs free. My question is where is the other 12.47 gigs?I am assuming that the get info also accounts for the "hidden files" so that shouldnt be a factor. I am trying to get back the 12.4 gigs that seem to have vanished into the air and wondering about the 6 gig difference from the stated size of the drive to the stated get info drive size. I am aware or the formatting "loss" but I would think 6 gigs for formatting is excessive. Anyway that is my peeve, where is the 6 gig difference and what happened to the 12 gigs from the folder totals to the free space? I am looking at anywhere from 12 to 18 gigs that I cant account for and cant seem to find any information about. Does anyone have any ideas, suggestions? Thanks to all who have replied and I hope I am not wearing this quest of mine thin. A J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070813/d3862057/attachment.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Mon Aug 13 13:59:09 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Mon Aug 13 13:59:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <20070813185427.0DC191302B23@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070813185427.0DC191302B23@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 08/13/07, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > John Baltutis wrote: >> On 08/12/07, Techpriest wrote: >>> On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: >>> >>>> I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 >>>> Quicksilver. The 40 gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple >>>> upgrade specs, but I don?t have built-in Airport. >>> Just keep in mind the drive limits on these machines if you shop for >>> a new drive. My G4 Digital Audio can only see 100gb, no matter how >>> big the drive is. >> >> The limitation is 128 GB. >> has the details. >> Additionally, >>indicates >> no Airport requirement, but does indicate a FireWire requirement. >> > Actually 137 GB. Wonder why nobody makes a drive that size ? You must be a marketeer. Computers deal with base 2 stuff (128 GB), whereas marketeers deal with base 10 stuff. See for details. From richspk at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 14:15:09 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Mon Aug 13 14:15:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: PC2600 vs PC2700 for MDD 333Mhz In-Reply-To: References: <20070813170822.BE23613007AC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30708131415j5c06a4a7w41e17d32fcb6b982@mail.gmail.com> On 8/13/07, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: > On 13 Aug 2007 at 09:25:24 -0700 Harry Freeman wrote: > > >On Aug 13, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: > > > >>System Profiler reports PC2600U-30330 but I find very scarce > >>information on that DIMM. If I add a pair of 512 PC2700's, how much > >>will their speed be downgraded by the presences of the PC2600's? > > > >Your platform will only run as fast as your slowest memory modules. > > Yeah...I knew the qualitative answer as implied in the question. > I'm still looking for the **QUANTITATIVE** answer..."HOW much?" Are you sure you don't mean qualitative? Quantitatively speaking, it'll address all the memory at the lowest common denominator: 2.6GB/s instead of 2.667GB/s. Qualitatively, I don't think you'll notice the difference, but my Quicksilver only uses 133MHz SDR memory, anyway. -- Rich From earle.jones at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 17:14:07 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Mon Aug 13 17:14:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <2F335369-DD22-4815-9CE6-597A785FBED1@mac.com> References: <000c01c7dd51$bd9c1200$6601a8c0@GX280> <2F335369-DD22-4815-9CE6-597A785FBED1@mac.com> Message-ID: On Aug 12, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Frank Sudore wrote: > You don't need Airport. What you will need is a bigger HD. 40 is =20 > Way too small. Get at least an 80. > Tiger is on all of my machines at work form a 533 G-4 to an MacPro =20 > Intel Tower. Also up your ram if you can but I think 1.5 gigs is =20 > all you can put in a QS. * "Up your ram?" Now, is that polite? earle * _______________________ Earle Jones =F0 earle.jones@comcast.net 650-854-1489 From ewood at izoom.net Mon Aug 13 19:15:00 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Mon Aug 13 19:11:16 2007 Subject: [G4] SATA card problem In-Reply-To: <884562D7-1277-4F66-81E8-84E05C42D36D@mac.com> References: <20070813133104.93BA812FBF86@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <46C09F24.7050709@troutnc.com> <884562D7-1277-4F66-81E8-84E05C42D36D@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello Frank, My first question is whether it officially supports the Mac platform. What is the brand and is there anything about it on xlr8yourmac.com? Any drive properly connected to the card (and the power) should appear available in Disk Utility or even OS 9's Drive Setup utility. The card I have, a Sonnet Tempo 2-port card, supports Mac OS 8.0 - 10.4. Doesn't even need (or include) driver software. Eric Am 13.08.2007 um 17:48 schrieb Frank Sudore: > Eric, > I put a SATA card in a MDD and can't get the machine to recognize > the drives. Any advice? > On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Eric Wood wrote: > >> I am running a pair of SATA drives in my G4. Seems the best way to >> upgrade. One drive is a 500 GB. >> >> Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Best Regards, > > Frank Sudore > fsudore@mac.com > 954-253-1933 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070813/0d565b66/attachment-0001.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Aug 13 20:09:03 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Aug 13 20:09:12 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <2F335369-DD22-4815-9CE6-597A785FBED1@mac.com> Message-ID: <156460.60656.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't think the extra 256Mb of ram is going to make any difference. In fact I have found that 1Gb works fine on my Tiger machine. As far as hard drives go I don't agree that you *must* go for a bigger one. The old saying applies - size is NOT important :-) (unless you need to store movies). I have set my work G4 up to use 2 X 18Gb SCSI U160 drives in a striped raid array, for about 36Gb total. For normal office type work it's fine (and feels very fast). I back it up to an external firewire drive. I like SCSI :-) What IS important is the speed of the hard drive. A modern (and therefore bigger) drive may offer a larger cache, a faster rotational speed, and a faster interface. Plus they really have become (relatively) inexpensive. Kathi's drive could be five years old now and depending on what percentage of "up-time" the QS has had, maybe at the end of its life. If she intends to keep valuable data on it then that might be another reason to replace it. However, the built in interface is only UltraATA/66 and the drive is already 7200rpm AFAIK so I wouldn't expect a big improvement from a modern drive, other than reliability. You need to either go SCSI or SATA, via a PCI card, to get improvements. Actually that reminds me - does anybody know of modern software that tests the hard drives speed? They used to be available for Classic OS's. Anyway, that's the long way to say its not needed to install Tiger. John --- Frank Sudore wrote: > You don't need Airport. What you will need is a > bigger HD. 40 is Way > too small. Get at least an 80. > Tiger is on all of my machines at work form a 533 > G-4 to an MacPro > Intel Tower. Also up your ram if you can but I think > 1.5 gigs is all > you can put in a QS. > > On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > > > I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on > my 733 > > Quicksilver. The 40 gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram > satisfy the Apple > > upgrade specs, but I don?t have built-in Airport. > > > > I see no reason to use wireless on a desktop; the > hard connection > > is only a few feet away. Will I have any problems > upgrading to > > Tiger? Apple tells me that I need built-in > Airport. > > > > Any info is appreciated. > > > > Thanks, Kathi > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Best Regards, > > Frank Sudore > fsudore@mac.com > 954-253-1933 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 21:34:16 2007 From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net) Date: Mon Aug 13 21:34:28 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: PC2600 vs PC2700 for MDD 333Mhz In-Reply-To: <20070814021117.8D8F21309CA2@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070814021117.8D8F21309CA2@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:15:09 -0400 Richard Klein wrote: >On 8/13/07, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: > > >> >On Aug 13, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: >> > >> >>System Profiler reports PC2600U-30330 but I find very scarce > > >>information on that DIMM. If I add a pair of 512 PC2700's, how > > >>much will their speed be downgraded by the presences of the > > >>PC2600's? > > >> I'm still looking for the **QUANTITATIVE** answer..." HOW much?" > >Are you sure you don't mean qualitative? No, I mean quantitative as in "HOW much?" Duh? >Quantitatively speaking, it'll address all the memory at the lowest >common denominator: 2.6GB/s instead of 2.667GB/s. So the answer is 2.5%. Thanks. (Not quite as hard as pulling teeth.) Why is the data rate of the PC2700 2.667 GB/s rather than 2.7? From kathialexis at cox.net Mon Aug 13 22:23:11 2007 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Mon Aug 13 22:23:23 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009e01c7de33$351e1210$6601a8c0@GX280> You are right. I did not read it correctly. I have had airport on the brain lately in trying to get my two laptops hooked up wirelessly. On my G3 iBook I thought I had it connected only to find out that I was connected to a neighbor's network. Kathi snip Will I have any problems upgrading to Tiger? Apple tells me that I need built-in Airport. I'm not sure where you got THAT information. The Tiger box clearly states that "built-in FireWire" is required, not Airport. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070813/66d76b36/attachment.html From kathialexis at cox.net Mon Aug 13 22:24:47 2007 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Mon Aug 13 22:24:49 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a301c7de33$6e222ba0$6601a8c0@GX280> snip I am running a pair of SATA drives in my G4. Seems the best way to upgrade. One drive is a 500 GB. Eric Snip I agree. I have two 128 gig drives in my Digital Audio G4 and they work great. Kathi From kathialexis at cox.net Mon Aug 13 22:29:08 2007 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Mon Aug 13 22:29:14 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30708131044x100f212cqb32de7bd78b5a570@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a401c7de34$09bd1200$6601a8c0@GX280> snip That's a good idea, but I don't think it'll help Kathi. > On Aug 12, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: > > I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 Quicksilver. The 40 > gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple upgrade specs, but I don't > have built-in Airport. > > I see no reason to use wireless on a desktop; the hard connection is only a > few feet away. Will I have any problems upgrading to Tiger? Apple tells me > that I need built-in Airport. Your Quicksilver shouldn't have any problem with Tiger. You certainly don't need any kind of wireless card to run Tiger. Perhaps they meant that you need Airport if you want to experience every last feature that Tiger offers, including wireless connectivity. If you're just going to plug in an ethernet cable then there's no reason to add an Airport card to the computer. -- Rich Snip Everyone, please accept my apology. I have Airport on the brain lately. It does read Firewire. And I DO have Firewire built in. I was planning on putting in a pair of new hard drives anyway, probably a pair of 128s. I also have a Digital Audio G4 that I did that with and they work fine. Kathi From ewood at izoom.net Tue Aug 14 00:29:16 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Tue Aug 14 00:25:29 2007 Subject: [G4] Tiger's system requirements In-Reply-To: <00a401c7de34$09bd1200$6601a8c0@GX280> References: <00a401c7de34$09bd1200$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: <894C212C-E3BD-4CE0-8381-1165CD08CA92@izoom.net> Hi all, Just to clarify for anyone not quite certain of Tiger's requirements, Apple's insistence upon a Mac with built-in Firewire is their odd way of saying any Mac from the blue and white G3 tower and newer. I'm not sure when iMacs got built-in Firewire (all slot loading versions?), but they'll have the RAM capacity and DVD-ROM for it as well. I've tried Jaguar on my old bondi blue iMac with 96 megs of RAM - pretty painful. I remember Apple getting sued over that and having to offer refunds to customers with iMacs who bought OS X. Eric Am 14.08.2007 um 00:29 schrieb Kathi Anderson: > snip > That's a good idea, but I don't think it'll help Kathi. > >> On Aug 12, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Kathi Anderson wrote: >> >> I would like to upgrade to Tiger from Panther on my 733 >> Quicksilver. The > 40 >> gig HD and 1.25 gigs of ram satisfy the Apple upgrade specs, but I >> don't >> have built-in Airport. >> >> I see no reason to use wireless on a desktop; the hard connection >> is only > a >> few feet away. Will I have any problems upgrading to Tiger? Apple >> tells me >> that I need built-in Airport. > > Your Quicksilver shouldn't have any problem with Tiger. You certainly > don't need any kind of wireless card to run Tiger. Perhaps they meant > that you need Airport if you want to experience every last feature > that Tiger offers, including wireless connectivity. If you're just > going to plug in an ethernet cable then there's no reason to add an > Airport card to the computer. > > -- > Rich > Snip > > Everyone, please accept my apology. I have Airport on the brain > lately. It > does read Firewire. And I DO have Firewire built in. I was planning on > putting in a pair of new hard drives anyway, probably a pair of 128s. > I also have a Digital Audio G4 that I did that with and they work > fine. > Kathi > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From odoketa at yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 07:35:43 2007 From: odoketa at yahoo.com (David Barber) Date: Tue Aug 14 07:35:52 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger Message-ID: <926485.45799.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Is this the dreaded 1,000,000,000 versus 1,073,741,824 GB? I didn't do the math, but that would make sense. David ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Niven Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." Message-ID: <302621.86542.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Wayne, that's not my experience. As I said, when putting in a 160Gb drive Disk Utility recognized the drive as 128Gb and formated that amount only. Where do you get 137Gb from? John --- Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > Actually 137 GB. Wonder why nobody makes a drive > that size ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070814/0e53d054/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 08:00:59 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Aug 14 08:01:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <926485.45799.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <184550.96428.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Duh! Stupid me. Of course it's marketing speak and I'm an engineer :-) John --- David Barber wrote: > Hi, > > Is this the dreaded 1,000,000,000 versus > 1,073,741,824 GB? > > I didn't do the math, but that would make sense. > David > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Niven > Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to > Tiger > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > Message-ID: > <302621.86542.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Wayne, > > that's not my experience. As I said, when putting in > a > 160Gb drive Disk Utility recognized the drive as > 128Gb > and formated that amount only. > > Where do you get 137Gb from? > > John > > --- Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > > > Actually 137 GB. Wonder why nobody makes a drive > > that size ? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From harry at gifutiger.com Tue Aug 14 08:21:18 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue Aug 14 08:21:26 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger In-Reply-To: <926485.45799.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <926485.45799.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <63a91e0ba1577940d25ab8530b105151@gifutiger.com> Hi ( + )!( + ) No it's the dreaded 1,000,000,000 versus 1,073,741,824? You don't need to add GB is you list out all of the numbers as: 1,073,741,824 GB would actually be 1,073,741,824,000,000,000 which would be something like our national debt. ??????,??,??????,??,??????,??,????? On Aug 14, 2007, at 7:35 AM, David Barber wrote: > Hi, > > Is this the dreaded 1,000,000,000 versus 1,073,741,824 GB? > > I didn't do the math, but that would make sense. > David > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Niven > Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading 733 MHz Quicksilver to Tiger > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > ???? > Message-ID: <302621.86542.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Wayne, > > that's not my experience. As I said, when putting in a > 160Gb drive Disk Utility recognized the drive as 128Gb > and formated that amount only. > > Where do you get 137Gb from? > > John > > --- Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > > > Actually 137 GB. Wonder why nobody makes a drive > > that size ? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From indee77 at verizon.net Tue Aug 14 21:02:41 2007 From: indee77 at verizon.net (les s) Date: Tue Aug 14 21:03:06 2007 Subject: [G4] Firewire target disc mode G4 Message-ID: Hi all, I have 2 G4 Sawtooths connected via firewire - but i cannot make target disc mode work ie. the target drive does not appear on the desktop. I've followed Apple's instructions, checked cable, etc, etc - no go. I'm running OSX 10.3.9. Thanks in advance for help cheers, Les From techpriest at ourlair.com Tue Aug 14 21:29:02 2007 From: techpriest at ourlair.com (Techpriest) Date: Tue Aug 14 21:29:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Firewire target disc mode G4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you boot one while holding T? Does it boot to the Firewire logo bouncing on the screen? Did that with my laptop, then plugged the cable in and plugged it into my desktop and it showed up right away. Can you try another cable? On Aug 14, 2007, at 11:02 PM, les s wrote: > Hi all, > I have 2 G4 Sawtooths connected via firewire - but i cannot make > target disc mode work ie. the target drive does not appear on the > desktop. I've followed Apple's instructions, checked cable, etc, > etc - no go. I'm running OSX 10.3.9. Thanks in advance for help > cheers, Les > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 15 06:37:00 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick Ramsowr) Date: Wed Aug 15 06:37:12 2007 Subject: [G4] Here's a couple of Safari (3.0) question... Message-ID: Morning All Of late I've noticed a change in the behavior of my copy of Safari (3.0) When I try to open the bookmark icon the pinwheel spins and Safari lock up and I'm forced to use "Force Quit" ... any ideals? All other icons on the tool bar work. Secondly I've not been able to upgrade the program to the most current being Safari (3.3)? Rich therepguy Houston -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070815/dbf8dfca/attachment.html From harry at gifutiger.com Wed Aug 15 09:06:51 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed Aug 15 09:06:57 2007 Subject: [G4] Here's a couple of Safari (3.0) question... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Try deleting the preference file for Safari. It is located in Macintosh HD>Library>Preferences>com.apple.Safari.plist Then restart Safari, the kernel will generate a new xxx.safari.plist. ---------------------------------------------------- On Aug 15, 2007, at 6:37 AM, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > > Morning All > > Of late I've noticed a change in the?behavior?of my copy of Safari > (3.0) When I try to open the bookmark icon the pinwheel spins and > Safari lock up and I'm forced to use "Force Quit" ... any ideals? All > other icons on the tool bar work. > > Secondly I've not been able to upgrade the program to the most current > being Safari (3.3)? > > Rich therepguy > Houston > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From ewood at izoom.net Thu Aug 16 10:02:56 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Thu Aug 16 09:59:12 2007 Subject: [G4] Here's a couple of Safari (3.0) question... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40674443-0019-47C1-A857-F7EABF0416F4@izoom.net> In ~/Library/Safari/ there are a number of files for Safari. One is Bookmarks.plist. I'd try moving the file to another place and find out what happens. Might also get disk utility to check the filesystem, both for errors and permissions. Good luck on it! Eric Am 15.08.2007 um 11:06 schrieb Harry Freeman: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Try deleting the preference file for Safari. It is located in > Macintosh HD>Library>Preferences>com.apple.Safari.plist > > Then restart Safari, the kernel will generate a new xxx.safari.plist. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On Aug 15, 2007, at 6:37 AM, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > >> >> Morning All >> >> Of late I've noticed a change in the behavior of my copy of Safari >> (3.0) When I try to open the bookmark icon the pinwheel spins and >> Safari lock up and I'm forced to use "Force Quit" ... any ideals? >> All other icons on the tool bar work. >> >> Secondly I've not been able to upgrade the program to the most >> current being Safari (3.3)? >> >> Rich therepguy >> Houston >> _______________________________________________ > > Cheers, /\*_*/\ > > Harry (*^_^*) > * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of > progress? Congress! > Men's restroom House of Representatives, > Washington, DC > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From patorkd at suddenlink.net Fri Aug 17 08:32:57 2007 From: patorkd at suddenlink.net (Pat Smith) Date: Fri Aug 17 08:33:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 Message-ID: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> Please be patient with my newness. I'm old. I'm using OS 10.4.10 on my dual processor tower, and trying to find the most optimum economic means to upgrade my USB to 2.0 with power sufficient to run my new web cam. please help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070817/616ebae6/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 09:14:20 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Fri Aug 17 09:14:33 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <273766.4447.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Probably to late to say this but.... wouldn't a firewire camera have bee a better choice? After all that's what Apple built in. John --- Pat Smith wrote: > Please be patient with my newness. I'm old. I'm > using OS 10.4.10 > on my dual processor tower, and trying to find the > most optimum > economic means to upgrade my USB to 2.0 with power > sufficient to run > my new web cam. please help.> _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From skygram at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 09:19:35 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Fri Aug 17 09:19:56 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: Pat, I installed the Belkin 5 Port USB2 card in my G4-400MHZ using OS-X.4.10 and it has never caused me any problems. It was abit more expensive than the other cards, but it has worked well. Bill From ewood at izoom.net Fri Aug 17 09:43:13 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Fri Aug 17 09:39:23 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings, I have a card from a company called Rosewill. It doesn't even list Mac on the box, but it works flawlessly. I picked it up fairly cheap at a local store. I recommend trying a cheap one like that and just return it if it doesn't work out. I think most stores will do that for you. You'll want to ask first, of course. Eric Am 17.08.2007 um 11:19 schrieb Skygram: > Pat, > > I installed the Belkin 5 Port USB2 card in my G4-400MHZ using OS-X. > 4.10 and > it has never caused me any problems. It was abit more expensive > than the > other cards, but it has worked well. > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Aug 17 09:46:21 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Aug 17 09:46:29 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <07148566-DC45-4D2A-BADF-67347D7FD0DF@jakeholt.com> References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <07148566-DC45-4D2A-BADF-67347D7FD0DF@jakeholt.com> Message-ID: <0fa0f178f1f64ea38af96a9f412b333c@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) I have, you might say the same problem, however in my opion it is just that all, or at least most devices that are connected to the USB port prevent the platform from awaking once put to sleep. I have an external 80 GB hard drive that when it is turned on and the platform is put to sleep, it will not awaken. Even if the drive is turned off after the sleep cycle is started. I also have an USB "i-Rocks?s All-in-1 media memory card reader" and if there is a memory card plugged into the reader when the system is put to sleep it will not awaken. The trick is to disconnect or turn-off all USB devices before letting the Mac. go to sleep, then there aren't any problems. I also have a HP printer that is connected to a USB port through a USB to serial converter which doesn't cause any problems, so as you can see not all USB connections act alike. ---------------------------------------------------- On Aug 17, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Jake Holt Photography wrote: > I have this:?http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonnet%20Technology/USB2/ > > Be aware, I have used 3 different USB 2.0 PCI cards and each one has > prevented my computer from waking from sleep. I couldn't track it to > any device other than the card itself. Maybe someone else here can > offer a solution to that problem that I haven't thought of.? > > > ?- Jake > > > Jake Holt > Jake Holt Photography > Austin, Texas > office:? 512-514-0501 > cell:? ?? ?512-750-4753 > www.jakeholt.com > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Aug 17 10:01:13 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Aug 17 10:01:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <224ce01ea3b37601786c97d498dff5ea@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Pat I don't understand what "old" has to do with anything, I'm "old" too, been working on computers for more than 40 years, I would recommend that you get something like the "Adesso 4-Port Powered Hub Mini Hub" because the devices that you connect to the Hub will not draw power from your Mac. platform. which is important because the more power the you use from the Mac. the shorter the life expecentancy of your Mac. system. And if something happens to the "Wall-Wart" they are easy and cheep to replace. Below is Overview of the Adesso Mini Hub and you can obtain one from http://www.pcuniverse.com/product.asp?pid=62800&m_id=32 for $6.41 each plus $6.98 shipping. Adesso offers USB Mini 4-Port powered mini hub. This hub supports both high-speed and low-speed devices. Its ports are reliable at up to 4,5 m of transmission. Downstream ports have automatic connect and speed detection function plus over-current protection with auto recovery. Bus fault detection will automatically reset device. The hub supports bus-powered and self-powered mode. Don't worry if it doesn't state that it's for a Mac. the USB standard is a IEEE regulated standard and all platforms that state that they run USB must meet the standard. ---------------------------------------------------- On Aug 17, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Pat Smith wrote: > Please be patient with my newness.? I'm old.? ?I'm using OS 10.4.10 on > my dual processor tower, and trying to find the most optimum economic > means to upgrade my USB to 2.0 with power sufficient to run my new web > cam. please help. > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From ben.smith at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 17 10:03:41 2007 From: ben.smith at ntlworld.com (Ben Smith) Date: Fri Aug 17 10:03:52 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Firewire target disc mode G4 In-Reply-To: <20070817161443.BFA731365462@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070817161443.BFA731365462@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <46C5D4ED.1000608@ntlworld.com> > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:02:41 -0700 > From: les s > Subject: [G4] Firewire target disc mode G4 > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi all, > I have 2 G4 Sawtooths connected via firewire - but i cannot make target > disc mode work ie. the target drive does not appear on the desktop. > I've followed Apple's instructions, checked cable, etc, etc - no go. > I'm running OSX 10.3.9. Thanks in advance for help > cheers, Les > > Les, Are you running the boot drive on the on-board IDE cable or on a PCI card? as far as I am aware target disk mode will only work if there is a HDD on the primary on-board controller, also you can only see that HDD and no other IDE or SCSI devices (HDD, CD/DVD, Zip etc). If there is no drive on the internal bus then the Mac will just ignore any attempt to put it into target disk mode (at least that is my experience with my MDD). Also if it is booting to the FireWire icon but the drive is not mounting, try going into drive setup and see if the HDD is shown, if you are mixing OS's then it may be a format problem. Ben. NB the HDD probably has to be set as slave with the CD/DVD as master as that is how they shipped I believe. From jake at jakeholt.com Fri Aug 17 10:16:30 2007 From: jake at jakeholt.com (Jake Holt Photography) Date: Fri Aug 17 10:17:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <224ce01ea3b37601786c97d498dff5ea@gifutiger.com> References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <224ce01ea3b37601786c97d498dff5ea@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: <6D4E4D79-9B72-4055-9AB9-2619D4BB8511@jakeholt.com> Harry, I don't think the hub will solve his problem - he doesn't have any USB 2.0 ports on his machine - therefore, he needs to have a 2.0 port to take advantage of 2.0 speed, or the hub will put him in the same place he is now, using USB 1.0. From earle.jones at comcast.net Fri Aug 17 11:00:52 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Fri Aug 17 11:00:51 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <224ce01ea3b37601786c97d498dff5ea@gifutiger.com> References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <224ce01ea3b37601786c97d498dff5ea@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: On Aug 17, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Pat I don't understand what "old" has to do with anything, I'm =20 > "old" too, been working on computers for more than 40 years, I =20 > would recommend that you get something like the "Adesso 4-Port =20 > Powered Hub Mini Hub" because the devices that you connect to the =20 > Hub will not draw power from your Mac. platform. which is important =20= > because the more power the you use from the Mac. the shorter the =20 > life expecentancy of your Mac. system. And if something happens to =20 > the "Wall-Wart" they are easy and cheep to replace. > Below is Overview of the Adesso Mini Hub and you can obtain one =20 > from http://www.pcuniverse.com/product.asp?pid=3D62800&m_id=3D32 for =20= > $6.41 each plus $6.98 shipping. > > Adesso offers USB Mini 4-Port powered mini hub. This hub supports =20 > both high-speed and low-speed devices. Its ports are reliable at up =20= > to 4,5 m of transmission. Downstream ports have automatic connect =20 > and speed detection function plus over-current protection with auto =20= > recovery. Bus fault detection will automatically reset device. The =20 > hub supports bus-powered and self-powered mode. > > Don't worry if it doesn't state that it's for a Mac. the USB =20 > standard is a IEEE regulated standard and all platforms that state =20 > that they run USB must meet the standard. * I use a six-port "IoGear powered hub, which has a compact flash card =20 reader in it. In addition to the hub connection (printers, hard =20 drives, scanner, etc.) I keep a 2GB compact flash card installed, =20 which acts as a quickie HD for moving miscellaneous data back and forth. The hub was about $29.95 and the 2GB CF card is now about $40. Cheers! earle * _______________________ Earle Jones =F0 earle.jones@comcast.net 650-854-1489 From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Aug 17 11:20:35 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Aug 17 11:20:49 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <6D4E4D79-9B72-4055-9AB9-2619D4BB8511@jakeholt.com> References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <224ce01ea3b37601786c97d498dff5ea@gifutiger.com> <6D4E4D79-9B72-4055-9AB9-2619D4BB8511@jakeholt.com> Message-ID: <4cfefca35eb67776733870b81d3a3e0e@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Pat you will find a Adaptec AUA-3020 PC Mac Combo FireWire USB 2.0 PCI Card on eBay for $12.95 plus $9.95 shipping. ---------------------------------------------------- On Aug 17, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Jake Holt Photography wrote: > Harry, I don't think the hub will solve his problem - he doesn't have > any USB 2.0 ports on his machine - therefore, he needs to have a 2.0 > port to take advantage of 2.0 speed, or the hub will put him in the > same place he is now, using USB 1.0. > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Aug 17 11:30:26 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Aug 17 11:30:52 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <4cfefca35eb67776733870b81d3a3e0e@gifutiger.com> References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <224ce01ea3b37601786c97d498dff5ea@gifutiger.com> <6D4E4D79-9B72-4055-9AB9-2619D4BB8511@jakeholt.com> <4cfefca35eb67776733870b81d3a3e0e@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Pat. Or better yet, you can get a 3-Port FireWire & 4-Port USB 2.0 Combo Hub which will connect to your Firewire port and will allow you to connect your USB 2.0 device via the Firewire port. It's available at http://www.campustech.com/c/campust/GUH420.html?id=hSr8STWY&mv_pc=211 for $29.95. ---------------------------------------------------- On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Pat you will find a Adaptec AUA-3020 PC Mac Combo FireWire USB 2.0 PCI > Card > on eBay for $12.95 plus $9.95 shipping. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On Aug 17, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Jake Holt Photography wrote: > >> Harry, I don't think the hub will solve his problem - he doesn't have >> any USB 2.0 ports on his machine - therefore, he needs to have a 2.0 >> port to take advantage of 2.0 speed, or the hub will put him in the >> same place he is now, using USB 1.0. >> _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From tyrannydesign at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 11:37:55 2007 From: tyrannydesign at gmail.com (Tyranny Bean) Date: Fri Aug 17 11:38:26 2007 Subject: [G4] Snapped USB port Message-ID: <312d26f40708171137w46b0a3afse69f2d6cf0a23dc2@mail.gmail.com> I've done a some searching and can't seem to find a FireWire to USB adapter. A client of my wife was disconnecting a thumb drive from the back of the computer (G4 D.A. 1.2Ghz) and snapped it out from the slot. Now we're left with only 1 USB drive on the back and we've got the Keyboard hooked up through that. My wife is a professional photographer and this is really causing a problem with her downloading photos as most card readers require a power source and USB hubs don't seem to work for that. I opened up the machine and the ports appear to be soldered to the mother board. Any suggestions of how I can fix this, or at least get around it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070817/56bf016c/attachment-0001.html From jomph at xs4all.nl Fri Aug 17 11:43:03 2007 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Fri Aug 17 11:43:21 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: On 17-08-2007 17:32, Pat Smith, patorkd@suddenlink.net, wrote: >Please be patient with my newness. I'm old. I'm using OS 10.4.10 >on my dual processor tower, and trying to find the most optimum >economic means to upgrade my USB to 2.0 with power sufficient to run >my new web cam. please help. I have used a "Digiconnect 5-Port PCI Card Hi-Speed USB 2.0" from the PC-store (MyCom) in 4 QS's and 3 MDD's. Price Euro 8 (US$ 10<->11). Works flawlessly! Personally, I have no troubles with awakening after sleep, because my Macs never go asleep. I got the tip from a friend, he is the system-manager (HW and basic-SW) of one of our national TV/Radio-stations. They still have in use over 400 G4 towers up from the GE. Whenever needed USB 2.0 in one (almost all!) of these Macs he has used the above mentioned card and he cannot take any risks!! The joke is: Mac is even never mentioned anywhere by Digiconnect!! The card comes with a Drivers-CD for Wind. 98 SE, 2000, ME and XP. BUT, under Tiger nothing is needed! Just install, event. switch CUDA, and go!! Jo Hissel From nagable at comcast.net Fri Aug 17 12:08:17 2007 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Fri Aug 17 12:08:22 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 Message-ID: <081720071908.12090.46C5F22100098AF100002F3A22165548860A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Old! I'd like to tell you about old, but that's off-topic. I just today ordered from OWC a Sonnet Tango Express PCI card, 3 USB2 and 2 FireWire400 ports. $93.50 delivered. It's a bit pricy, but I wanted to add USB2 capabilities to my Quicksilver 2000. I had a cheapie combo card in that slot that had 3 slots on the card and and 3 external ports (that never worked) with 2 FireWire 400 ports (that did work). It's about a year old. My computer began freezing after about 15 minutes. System Profiler would quit out when I asked for FireWire info. I pulled the card and I've been up for about 4 hours. I like Sonnet products. I've used their processor upgrades in every Mac I've owned (starting with a 6100) and got good tech support from them when needed. Now I'm running a dual 1.8 GHz in the Quicksilver. Good luck in whatever you decide. Nate > > > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > > > Pat I don't understand what "old" has to do with anything, I'm > > "old" too, been working on computers for more than 40 years, I > > would recommend that you get something like the "Adesso 4-Port > > Powered Hub Mini Hub" because the devices that you connect to the > > Hub will not draw power from your Mac. platform. which is important > > because the more power the you use from the Mac. the shorter the > > life expecentancy of your Mac. system. And if something happens to > > the "Wall-Wart" they are easy and cheep to replace. > > Below is Overview of the Adesso Mini Hub and you can obtain one > > from http://www.pcuniverse.com/product.asp?pid=62800&m_id=32 for > > $6.41 each plus $6.98 shipping. > > > > Adesso offers USB Mini 4-Port powered mini hub. This hub supports > > both high-speed and low-speed devices. Its ports are reliable at up > > to 4,5 m of transmission. Downstream ports have automatic connect > > and speed detection function plus over-current protection with auto > > recovery. Bus fault detection will automatically reset device. The > > hub supports bus-powered and self-powered mode. > > > > Don't worry if it doesn't state that it's for a Mac. the USB > > standard is a IEEE regulated standard and all platforms that state > > that they run USB must meet the standard. > > * > I use a six-port "IoGear powered hub, which has a compact flash card > reader in it. In addition to the hub connection (printers, hard > drives, scanner, etc.) I keep a 2GB compact flash card installed, > which acts as a quickie HD for moving miscellaneous data back and forth. > > The hub was about $29.95 and the 2GB CF card is now about $40. From senseamp at yahoo.com Fri Aug 17 12:24:22 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Fri Aug 17 12:25:09 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <622535.76397.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey! I like that. Saves using one of only three PCI slots as well. But one question - how does USB 2.0 support 480Mbs through a 400Mbs firewire connection? BTW to update my G4 connectivity I opted for the ADAPTEC FireConnect 8300 PCI card which is a 64-bit card (thus maximising the G4's bus usage) and gives one FW400 and two FW800 ports. I hook this to my FW800 external back-up drive. Firewire was and still is a good idea. John --- Harry Freeman wrote: > Pat. Or better yet, you can get a 3-Port FireWire & > 4-Port USB 2.0 > Combo Hub which will connect to your Firewire port > and will allow you > to connect your USB 2.0 device via the Firewire > port. ----------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From jake at jakeholt.com Fri Aug 17 12:34:44 2007 From: jake at jakeholt.com (Jake Holt Photography) Date: Fri Aug 17 12:35:59 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <622535.76397.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <622535.76397.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87EA3B81-F4DE-408A-B86E-DA9447E403B3@jakeholt.com> I wouldn't worry if your USB 2.0 is limited to 400Mbs. 480 Mbs is a theoretical bandwidth anyway and no USB 2.0 devices are actually going to post that fast of a transfer rate. Jake Holt Jake Holt Photography Austin, Texas office: 512-514-0501 cell: 512-750-4753 www.jakeholt.com On Aug 17, 2007, at 2:24 PM, John Niven wrote: > Hey! > > I like that. Saves using one of only three PCI slots > as well. But one question - how does USB 2.0 support > 480Mbs through a 400Mbs firewire connection? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070817/b525020a/attachment.html From jake at jakeholt.com Fri Aug 17 12:37:41 2007 From: jake at jakeholt.com (Jake Holt Photography) Date: Fri Aug 17 12:38:46 2007 Subject: [G4] Snapped USB port In-Reply-To: <312d26f40708171137w46b0a3afse69f2d6cf0a23dc2@mail.gmail.com> References: <312d26f40708171137w46b0a3afse69f2d6cf0a23dc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4007FB76-88CE-452C-8035-E9C605EE50F8@jakeholt.com> I would leave it for dead and just add a USB 2.0 PCI card. The USB ports on the DA are USB1, so the transfer rates are ungodly slow. I have a 1.2 Ghz DA as well, and I have both USB 2.0 and FW 800 pci cards that work great. Jake Holt Jake Holt Photography Austin, Texas office: 512-514-0501 cell: 512-750-4753 www.jakeholt.com On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Tyranny Bean wrote: > I've done a some searching and can't seem to find a FireWire to USB > adapter. A client of my wife was disconnecting a thumb drive from > the back of the computer (G4 D.A. 1.2Ghz) and snapped it out from > the slot. Now we're left with only 1 USB drive on the back and > we've got the Keyboard hooked up through that. My wife is a > professional photographer and this is really causing a problem with > her downloading photos as most card readers require a power source > and USB hubs don't seem to work for that. I opened up the machine > and the ports appear to be soldered to the mother board. Any > suggestions of how I can fix this, or at least get around it? > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070817/14f8988c/attachment.html From chefgreg at mac.com Fri Aug 17 12:47:58 2007 From: chefgreg at mac.com (Gregory Cortelyou) Date: Fri Aug 17 12:48:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <224ce01ea3b37601786c97d498dff5ea@gifutiger.com> <6D4E4D79-9B72-4055-9AB9-2619D4BB8511@jakeholt.com> <4cfefca35eb67776733870b81d3a3e0e@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: Are you actually using that? Sounds too good to be true. It connects to the firewire port and gives you USB 2.0 just like that? I actually have intermittent problems with my card but it's better than before. Apple was aware that certain 3rd party cards were giving some people problems and worked a patch into one of the updates a while back. But I still do have USB related wake problems now and then. If you can vouch for this product (there are no user reviews on the site) I am ordering one today. Greg On Friday, August 17, 2007, at 02:31PM, "Harry Freeman" wrote: >Greetings ( + )!( + ) > >Pat. Or better yet, you can get a 3-Port FireWire & 4-Port USB 2.0 >Combo Hub which will connect to your Firewire port and will allow you >to connect your USB 2.0 device via the Firewire port. > >It's available at >http://www.campustech.com/c/campust/GUH420.html?id=hSr8STWY&mv_pc=211 >for $29.95. >---------------------------------------------------- > >On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Harry Freeman wrote: > >> Greetings ( + )!( + ) >> >> Pat you will find a Adaptec AUA-3020 PC Mac Combo FireWire USB 2.0 PCI >> Card >> on eBay for $12.95 plus $9.95 shipping. >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Aug 17, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Jake Holt Photography wrote: >> >>> Harry, I don't think the hub will solve his problem - he doesn't have >>> any USB 2.0 ports on his machine - therefore, he needs to have a 2.0 >>> port to take advantage of 2.0 speed, or the hub will put him in the >>> same place he is now, using USB 1.0. >>> _______________________________________________ > >Cheers, /\*_*/\ > >Harry (*^_^*) >* If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? >Congress! >Men's restroom House of Representatives, >Washington, DC > >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Aug 17 14:59:41 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Aug 17 14:59:47 2007 Subject: [G4] Snapped USB port In-Reply-To: <312d26f40708171137w46b0a3afse69f2d6cf0a23dc2@mail.gmail.com> References: <312d26f40708171137w46b0a3afse69f2d6cf0a23dc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5308effc74d1aa34b318b34af1a00636@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) You can get a 3-Port FireWire/4-Port USB 2.0 Combo Hub which will connect to your USB or Firewire port and will allow you to connect either USB 2.0 devices' or Firewire devices via either the USB or the Firewire port. It's available at http://www.campustech.com/c/campust/GUH420.html?id=hSr8STWY&mv_pc=211 for $29.95. ---------------------------------------------------- On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Tyranny Bean wrote: > I've done a some searching and can't seem to find a FireWire to USB > adapter. A client of my wife was disconnecting a thumb drive from the > back of the computer (G4 D.A. 1.2Ghz) and snapped it out from the > slot. Now we're left with only 1 USB drive on the back and we've got > the Keyboard hooked up through that. My wife is a professional > photographer and this is really causing a problem with her downloading > photos as most card readers require a power source and USB hubs don't > seem to work for that. I opened up the machine and the ports appear to > be soldered to the mother board. Any suggestions of how I can fix > this, or at least get around it? > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Aug 17 15:09:04 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Aug 17 15:09:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <224ce01ea3b37601786c97d498dff5ea@gifutiger.com> <6D4E4D79-9B72-4055-9AB9-2619D4BB8511@jakeholt.com> <4cfefca35eb67776733870b81d3a3e0e@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: <26c6920641ae87993f091f6b15cc2267@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) I have no experience with this product, however it is available from Newegg which has just about the best return policy on the net. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817111714 ---------------------------------------------------- On Aug 17, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Gregory Cortelyou wrote: > Are you actually using that? Sounds too good to be true. It connects > to the firewire port and gives you USB 2.0 just like that? I actually > have intermittent problems with my card but it's better than before. > Apple was aware that certain 3rd party cards were giving some people > problems and worked a patch into one of the updates a while back. But > I still do have USB related wake problems now and then. If you can > vouch for this product (there are no user reviews on the site) I am > ordering one today. > Greg > > On Friday, August 17, 2007, at 02:31PM, "Harry Freeman" > wrote: >> Greetings ( + )!( + ) >> >> Pat. Or better yet, you can get a 3-Port FireWire & 4-Port USB 2.0 >> Combo Hub which will connect to your Firewire port and will allow you >> to connect your USB 2.0 device via the Firewire port. >> >> It's available at >> http://www.campustech.com/c/campust/GUH420.html?id=hSr8STWY&mv_pc=211 >> for $29.95. >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Harry Freeman wrote: >> >>> Greetings ( + )!( + ) >>> >>> Pat you will find a Adaptec AUA-3020 PC Mac Combo FireWire USB 2.0 >>> PCI >>> Card >>> on eBay for $12.95 plus $9.95 shipping. >>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Jake Holt Photography wrote: >>> >>>> Harry, I don't think the hub will solve his problem - he doesn't >>>> have >>>> any USB 2.0 ports on his machine - therefore, he needs to have a 2.0 >>>> port to take advantage of 2.0 speed, or the hub will put him in the >>>> same place he is now, using USB 1.0. >>>> _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From patorkd at suddenlink.net Fri Aug 17 15:12:11 2007 From: patorkd at suddenlink.net (Pat Smith) Date: Fri Aug 17 15:12:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <273766.4447.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <273766.4447.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your reply, John. You're right, it's too late. I bought the camera because my son and his wife have Skype, live quite a way from us, and they are expecting our first grand child. I'm not very tech savvy and he's a pc guy, so I got what I thought would be compatible. I dumbly didn't think to check the USB requirements of the camera before I bought it. The info I've gotten so far makes me wary of PCI cards that upgrade USB to 2.0, because of bugs that seem to come with them. Thanks again. kd On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:14 AM, John Niven wrote: > Probably to late to say this but.... > > wouldn't a firewire camera have bee a better choice? > > After all that's what Apple built in. > > John > > --- Pat Smith wrote: > >> Please be patient with my newness. I'm old. I'm >> using OS 10.4.10 >> on my dual processor tower, and trying to find the >> most optimum >> economic means to upgrade my USB to 2.0 with power >> sufficient to run >> my new web cam. please help.> > _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From patorkd at suddenlink.net Fri Aug 17 15:24:29 2007 From: patorkd at suddenlink.net (Pat Smith) Date: Fri Aug 17 15:24:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4076582F-173D-483C-8AC3-399A25C50148@suddenlink.net> Bill, Thanks for your reply. Is this the card you installed? http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=107412 kd On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Skygram wrote: > Pat, > > I installed the Belkin 5 Port USB2 card in my G4-400MHZ using OS-X. > 4.10 and > it has never caused me any problems. It was abit more expensive > than the > other cards, but it has worked well. > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From patorkd at suddenlink.net Fri Aug 17 15:26:16 2007 From: patorkd at suddenlink.net (Pat Smith) Date: Fri Aug 17 15:26:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks a bunch, Eric. kd On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Eric Wood wrote: > Greetings, > > I have a card from a company called Rosewill. It doesn't even list > Mac on the box, but it works flawlessly. I picked it up fairly > cheap at a local store. I recommend trying a cheap one like that > and just return it if it doesn't work out. I think most stores will > do that for you. You'll want to ask first, of course. > > Eric > > Am 17.08.2007 um 11:19 schrieb Skygram: > >> Pat, >> >> I installed the Belkin 5 Port USB2 card in my G4-400MHZ using OS-X. >> 4.10 and >> it has never caused me any problems. It was abit more expensive >> than the >> other cards, but it has worked well. >> >> Bill >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From patorkd at suddenlink.net Fri Aug 17 15:29:29 2007 From: patorkd at suddenlink.net (Pat Smith) Date: Fri Aug 17 15:29:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <0fa0f178f1f64ea38af96a9f412b333c@gifutiger.com> References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <07148566-DC45-4D2A-BADF-67347D7FD0DF@jakeholt.com> <0fa0f178f1f64ea38af96a9f412b333c@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: <96661721-5D05-45D7-9988-1361FEB4D692@suddenlink.net> Thanks a bunch, Harry. Other responders are telling me of similar sleep issues. kd On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > I have, you might say the same problem, however in my opion it is > just that all, or at least most devices that are connected to the > USB port prevent the platform from awaking once put to sleep. > > I have an external 80 GB hard drive that when it is turned on and > the platform is put to sleep, it will not awaken. Even if the drive > is turned off after the sleep cycle is started. I also have an USB > "i-Rocks?s All-in-1 media memory card reader" and if there is a > memory card plugged into the reader when the system is put to sleep > it will not awaken. > > The trick is to disconnect or turn-off all USB devices before > letting the Mac. go to sleep, then there aren't any problems. > > I also have a HP printer that is connected to a USB port through a > USB to serial converter which doesn't cause any problems, so as you > can see not all USB connections act alike. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On Aug 17, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Jake Holt Photography wrote: > >> I have this: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonnet%20Technology/ >> USB2/ >> >> Be aware, I have used 3 different USB 2.0 PCI cards and each one >> has prevented my computer from waking from sleep. I couldn't track >> it to any device other than the card itself. Maybe someone else >> here can offer a solution to that problem that I haven't thought of. >> >> >> - Jake >> >> >> Jake Holt >> Jake Holt Photography >> Austin, Texas >> office: 512-514-0501 >> cell: 512-750-4753 >> www.jakeholt.com >> _______________________________________________ > > Cheers, /\*_*/\ > > Harry (*^_^*) > * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of > progress? Congress! > Men's restroom House of Representatives, > Washington, DC > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From briang113 at pacbell.net Fri Aug 17 15:39:07 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Fri Aug 17 15:39:03 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <07148566-DC45-4D2A-BADF-67347D7FD0DF@jakeholt.com> References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <07148566-DC45-4D2A-BADF-67347D7FD0DF@jakeholt.com> Message-ID: <0E7CC3D5-1920-4541-A5C7-5961AF391388@pacbell.net> I had the sleep issue with my USB 2.0 firewire combo PCI card. All you need to do is set the preferences to never sleep. then set the display to dim and the hard drives to spin down at whateveime interval you like. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Aug 17, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Jake Holt Photography wrote: > I have this: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonnet%20Technology/USB2/ > > Be aware, I have used 3 different USB 2.0 PCI cards and each one > has prevented my computer from waking from sleep. I couldn't track > it to any device other than the card itself. Maybe someone else > here can offer a solution to that problem that I haven't thought of. > > > - Jake > > > Jake Holt > Jake Holt Photography > Austin, Texas > office: 512-514-0501 > cell: 512-750-4753 > www.jakeholt.com > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From jake at jakeholt.com Fri Aug 17 15:42:57 2007 From: jake at jakeholt.com (Jake Holt Photography) Date: Fri Aug 17 15:43:33 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <0E7CC3D5-1920-4541-A5C7-5961AF391388@pacbell.net> References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <07148566-DC45-4D2A-BADF-67347D7FD0DF@jakeholt.com> <0E7CC3D5-1920-4541-A5C7-5961AF391388@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <90D90044-3E35-4AA9-8684-EAD38D24E446@jakeholt.com> Thanks - I never thought of just spinning down the drives - I'll give it a shot. - Jake On Aug 17, 2007, at 5:39 PM, B G wrote: > I had the sleep issue with my USB 2.0 firewire combo PCI card. > > All you need to do is set the preferences to never sleep. > then set the display to dim and the hard drives to spin down at > whateveime interval you like. > > > Brian > > G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM > > On Aug 17, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Jake Holt Photography wrote: > >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070817/3af52e33/attachment.html From richspk at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 16:39:39 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Fri Aug 17 16:39:45 2007 Subject: [G4] Snapped USB port In-Reply-To: <4007FB76-88CE-452C-8035-E9C605EE50F8@jakeholt.com> References: <312d26f40708171137w46b0a3afse69f2d6cf0a23dc2@mail.gmail.com> <4007FB76-88CE-452C-8035-E9C605EE50F8@jakeholt.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30708171639h7ed19b56l5a285511ad51c8ff@mail.gmail.com> > On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Tyranny Bean wrote: > I've done a some searching and can't seem to find a FireWire to USB adapter. > A client of my wife was disconnecting a thumb drive from the back of the > computer (G4 D.A. 1.2Ghz) and snapped it out from the slot. Now we're left > with only 1 USB drive on the back and we've got the Keyboard hooked up > through that. My wife is a professional photographer and this is really > causing a problem with her downloading photos as most card readers require a > power source and USB hubs don't seem to work for that. I opened up the > machine and the ports appear to be soldered to the mother board. Any > suggestions of how I can fix this, or at least get around it? I think you're mistaken about most card readers requiring USB power, but regardless, you can get powered USB hubs that will provide that power to the card reader. On 8/17/07, Jake Holt Photography wrote: > I would leave it for dead and just add a USB 2.0 PCI card. The USB ports on > the DA are USB1, so the transfer rates are ungodly slow. I have a 1.2 Ghz DA > as well, and I have both USB 2.0 and FW 800 pci cards that work great. I second (or third) that sentiment. I got an IOGear 5-port USB2.0 card from OWC (http://eshop.macsales.com/item/IOGEAR/GIC251U/) about 2 months ago, and I'm quite happy with it. -- Rich From patorkd at suddenlink.net Fri Aug 17 17:44:04 2007 From: patorkd at suddenlink.net (Pat Smith) Date: Fri Aug 17 17:44:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: References: <12257476-C597-4C8D-AD78-26CB7141D967@suddenlink.net> <224ce01ea3b37601786c97d498dff5ea@gifutiger.com> <6D4E4D79-9B72-4055-9AB9-2619D4BB8511@jakeholt.com> <4cfefca35eb67776733870b81d3a3e0e@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: <5613095B-926A-4164-93DD-500471E7CD11@suddenlink.net> Hello everyone, Please forgive the length of this. I hope you all can see this. It just occurred to me that it will take me forever to respond individually to all the altruistic responses from so many G4 users. I am overwhelmed. My initial message earlier today about my USB upgrade problem was my first ever venture into a forum of any kind. I said I was old, because I am paranoid about engaging in any online discussion. Several years ago my teenage son was guiding me in my first and only attempt to enter a chat room with some other bluegrass pickers when he told me it was customary to "ask age and sex," so that I "would know more about the others in the chat room." By the time the cold responses caused the oranges in my head to line up, my son was out of arm's reach and rolling on the floor in laughter with his friend. By "old," I meant that the etiquette" for online forums is unfamiliar to me. My cup runneth over from all the kind advice that i received so quickly from so many of you. I'm so impressed with all that you know and I only wish I had some kind of G4 expertise to assist one of you. If I do have something helpful to offer, in the future, I promise to keep it brief. Thanks again kd or pat On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Pat. Or better yet, you can get a 3-Port FireWire & 4-Port USB 2.0 > Combo Hub which will connect to your Firewire port and will allow > you to connect your USB 2.0 device via the Firewire port. > > It's available at http://www.campustech.com/c/campust/GUH420.html? > id=hSr8STWY&mv_pc=211 for $29.95. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Harry Freeman wrote: > >> Greetings ( + )!( + ) >> >> Pat you will find a Adaptec AUA-3020 PC Mac Combo FireWire USB 2.0 >> PCI Card >> on eBay for $12.95 plus $9.95 shipping. >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Aug 17, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Jake Holt Photography wrote: >> >>> Harry, I don't think the hub will solve his problem - he doesn't >>> have any USB 2.0 ports on his machine - therefore, he needs to >>> have a 2.0 port to take advantage of 2.0 speed, or the hub will >>> put him in the same place he is now, using USB 1.0. >>> _______________________________________________ > > Cheers, /\*_*/\ > > Harry (*^_^*) > * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of > progress? Congress! > Men's restroom House of Representatives, > Washington, DC > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From rogersnyder at pobox.com Fri Aug 17 17:54:42 2007 From: rogersnyder at pobox.com (Roger Snyder) Date: Fri Aug 17 17:54:56 2007 Subject: [G4] Snapped USB port In-Reply-To: <5308effc74d1aa34b318b34af1a00636@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: I don't believe that it converts from Firewire to USB, it is only two hubs, a USB and a Firewire, in one package. Converting from one to another is much more complicated than a hub. You really need a computer, which is why you don't find a USB to Firewire (or visa versa) adapter. Its like a USB/Firewire drive. You can connect the drive to a Firewire port on a computer, but you can not connect a USB device to the drive's other port, only to the drive's second Firewire port. -Roger On 8/17/07 17:59, "Harry Freeman" wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > You can get a 3-Port FireWire/4-Port USB 2.0 Combo Hub which will > connect to your USB or Firewire port and will allow you to connect > either USB 2.0 devices' or Firewire devices via either the USB or the > Firewire port. > > It's available at > http://www.campustech.com/c/campust/GUH420.html?id=hSr8STWY&mv_pc=211 > for $29.95. > ---------------------------------------------------- > On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Tyranny Bean wrote: > >> I've done a some searching and can't seem to find a FireWire to USB >> adapter. A client of my wife was disconnecting a thumb drive from the >> back of the computer (G4 D.A. 1.2Ghz) and snapped it out from the >> slot. Now we're left with only 1 USB drive on the back and we've got >> the Keyboard hooked up through that. My wife is a professional >> photographer and this is really causing a problem with her downloading >> photos as most card readers require a power source and USB hubs don't >> seem to work for that. I opened up the machine and the ports appear to >> be soldered to the mother board. Any suggestions of how I can fix >> this, or at least get around it? >> _______________________________________________ > > > > Cheers, /\*_*/\ > > Harry (*^_^*) > * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? > Congress! > Men's restroom House of Representatives, > Washington, DC > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -- Roger Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about. From richspk at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 18:05:40 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Fri Aug 17 18:05:50 2007 Subject: [G4] Snapped USB port In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30708171639h7ed19b56l5a285511ad51c8ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <312d26f40708171137w46b0a3afse69f2d6cf0a23dc2@mail.gmail.com> <4007FB76-88CE-452C-8035-E9C605EE50F8@jakeholt.com> <69ce86c30708171639h7ed19b56l5a285511ad51c8ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30708171805n4955c2e7t10105b1e5cecc2a8@mail.gmail.com> > On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Tyranny Bean wrote: > I've done a some searching and can't seem to find a FireWire to USB adapter. > A client of my wife was disconnecting a thumb drive from the back of the > computer (G4 D.A. 1.2Ghz) and snapped it out from the slot. Now we're left > with only 1 USB drive on the back and we've got the Keyboard hooked up > through that. My wife is a professional photographer and this is really > causing a problem with her downloading photos as most card readers require a > power source and USB hubs don't seem to work for that. I opened up the > machine and the ports appear to be soldered to the mother board. Any > suggestions of how I can fix this, or at least get around it? I think you're mistaken about most card readers requiring USB power, but regardless, you can get powered USB hubs that will provide that power to the card reader. On 8/17/07, Jake Holt Photography wrote: > I would leave it for dead and just add a USB 2.0 PCI card. The USB ports on > the DA are USB1, so the transfer rates are ungodly slow. I have a 1.2 Ghz DA > as well, and I have both USB 2.0 and FW 800 pci cards that work great. I second (or third) that sentiment. I got an IOGear 5-port USB2.0 card from OWC (http://eshop.macsales.com/item/IOGEAR/GIC251U/) about 2 months ago, and I'm quite happy with it. -- Rich From richspk at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 18:07:21 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Fri Aug 17 18:07:28 2007 Subject: [G4] Snapped USB port In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30708171639h7ed19b56l5a285511ad51c8ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <312d26f40708171137w46b0a3afse69f2d6cf0a23dc2@mail.gmail.com> <4007FB76-88CE-452C-8035-E9C605EE50F8@jakeholt.com> <69ce86c30708171639h7ed19b56l5a285511ad51c8ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30708171807i5db8c9e8qc7393173de0d9943@mail.gmail.com> On 8/17/07, Richard Klein wrote: Drat! Sorry about sending the previous message twice! -- Rich From skygram at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 18:29:26 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Fri Aug 17 18:29:44 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 (Belkin) In-Reply-To: <4076582F-173D-483C-8AC3-399A25C50148@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: HI Pat! Yes, that is the card that I bought. It is a quality piece of hardware. I am a PC techie and I have attempted to use many different cards from a variety of sources. The problem can be, and I am sure many on this list can attest, that often manufacturers can switch chipsets on various cards without warning, thereby making a card that previously worked on a Mac, no longer functional. It is well neigh impossible to always be on top of this issue. This applies to many peripherals that are PC-centric. One revision will work and yet another will not and often even the manufacturers are not aware of it. I can give you many examples of where this has taken place. That is why I recommend the Belkin. It might not save you money, as it can be a bit more expensive, but it could save you a lot of time and mind bending headaches. It has always gone to sleep when I wanted it to. Best of luck, Bill Montreal From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Aug 17 18:48:33 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Aug 17 18:48:42 2007 Subject: [G4] Snapped USB port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <705bf4758049894f7483eab4f517537b@gifutiger.com> On Aug 17, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Roger Snyder wrote: > I don't believe that it converts from Firewire to USB, it is only > two > hubs, a USB and a Firewire, in one package. > > Converting from one to another is much more complicated than a > hub. You > really need a computer, which is why you don't find a USB to Firewire > (or > visa versa) adapter. > > Its like a USB/Firewire drive. You can connect the drive to a > Firewire > port on a computer, but you can not connect a USB device to the drive's > other port, only to the drive's second Firewire port. > > -Roger > > On 8/17/07 17:59, "Harry Freeman" wrote: > >> Greetings ( + )!( + ) >> >> You can get a 3-Port FireWire/4-Port USB 2.0 Combo Hub which will >> connect to your USB or Firewire port and will allow you to connect >> either USB 2.0 devices' or Firewire devices via either the USB or the >> Firewire port. >> >> It's available at >> http://www.campustech.com/c/campust/GUH420.html?id=hSr8STWY&mv_pc=211 >> for $29.95. >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> On Aug 17, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Tyranny Bean wrote: >> >>> I've done a some searching and can't seem to find a FireWire to USB >>> adapter. A client of my wife was disconnecting a thumb drive from the >>> back of the computer (G4 D.A. 1.2Ghz) and snapped it out from the >>> slot. Now we're left with only 1 USB drive on the back and we've got >>> the Keyboard hooked up through that. My wife is a professional >>> photographer and this is really causing a problem with her >>> downloading >>> photos as most card readers require a power source and USB hubs don't >>> seem to work for that. I opened up the machine and the ports appear >>> to >>> be soldered to the mother board. Any suggestions of how I can fix >>> this, or at least get around it? >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Cheers, /\*_*/\ >> >> Harry (*^_^*) >> * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of >> progress? >> Congress! >> Men's restroom House of Representatives, >> Washington, DC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > -- Roger Greetings ( + )!( + ) Roger, I re-read the product description and I believe that you are right, however the way they described the part it sure sounded like it converted USB to Firewire and visa-versa. ---------------------------------------------------- Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From fsudore at mac.com Fri Aug 17 19:38:46 2007 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Fri Aug 17 19:38:53 2007 Subject: [G4] Moto Razr V3 Help Needed !! In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30708171805n4955c2e7t10105b1e5cecc2a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <312d26f40708171137w46b0a3afse69f2d6cf0a23dc2@mail.gmail.com> <4007FB76-88CE-452C-8035-E9C605EE50F8@jakeholt.com> <69ce86c30708171639h7ed19b56l5a285511ad51c8ff@mail.gmail.com> <69ce86c30708171805n4955c2e7t10105b1e5cecc2a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58081AC9-7E8C-4BA7-A33D-4703BE3BAEBB@mac.com> Does anybody know how to get a new Razr V3 to work with I-sync Via Bluetooth? There was a mod but i can't find it. Any help would be appreciated. My other option is to buy an I-Phone Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, the consensus at most lists and Apple Discussions is to avoid USB 1 or 2 for anything except keyboards, mice, and printers. Use FireWire for everything else. From baltwo at san.rr.com Fri Aug 17 19:46:17 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Fri Aug 17 19:46:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Snapped USB port In-Reply-To: <20070818024037.BEFA113702DD@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070818024037.BEFA113702DD@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 08/17/07, "Richard Klein" wrote: > Drat! Sorry about sending the previous message twice! That's the kind of stuff Pat Smith was talking about! ROTFLMAO! BTW, my birth preceeded WWII. From kathialexis at cox.net Fri Aug 17 21:54:45 2007 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Fri Aug 17 21:54:53 2007 Subject: [G4] Snapped USB port In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30708171805n4955c2e7t10105b1e5cecc2a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006d01c7e153$e5c1b180$6601a8c0@GX280> Snip > On Aug 17, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Tyranny Bean wrote: > I've done a some searching and can't seem to find a FireWire to USB adapter. > A client of my wife was disconnecting a thumb drive from the back of the > computer (G4 D.A. 1.2Ghz) and sna