From gal610 at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 07:33:25 2007 From: gal610 at gmail.com (Greg Nembhard) Date: Mon Dec 3 07:33:39 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing Mac OS X 10.4 Message-ID: <8420cef40712030733s381e9c9bmd3f9eb6155e5cb4b@mail.gmail.com> Well, i'll start off by saying thanks guys for your responses... as most of you said... It didn't work.. so I went over to my brothers house who has a 2002 QS 1Ghz. So far so good a new problem cropped up... His disks are DVD and I only have a CD-rom. We tried to install by making CD copies of the DVD (5 cd's by the way) and I went to install disk 1 and it said I need OS X 10.3.... I'm only running 10.2.8. I called my local Mac authorized dealer and he said he would install it if I buy leopard (which my machine can't run because it is a 800Mhz) and he would copy a disk for me. Still trying to figure out what to do. I got such a good deal on this computer that I couldn't pass it up.. $179.00 now I'm thinking I should have shelled out a few more bucks and got a machine with DVD/r and at least running at 1gMHZ. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071203/cea54070/attachment.html From briang113 at pacbell.net Mon Dec 3 08:09:20 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Mon Dec 3 08:09:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing Mac OS X 10.4 In-Reply-To: <8420cef40712030733s381e9c9bmd3f9eb6155e5cb4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8420cef40712030733s381e9c9bmd3f9eb6155e5cb4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3DEE5C77-C915-4E44-9214-48D170C17B0D@pacbell.net> you can replace the CD drive with a DVD drive for around $30.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129007 Then you will need a full install retail version(not machine specific) of 10.4 around $50 It sounds like the one you tried was an upgrade not a full install BG On Dec 3, 2007, at 7:33 AM, Greg Nembhard wrote: > Well, i'll start off by saying thanks guys for your responses... as > most of you said... It didn't work.. so I went over to my brothers > house who has a 2002 QS 1Ghz. So far so good a new problem cropped > up... His disks are DVD and I only have a CD-rom. We tried to > install by making CD copies of the DVD (5 cd's by the way) and I > went to install disk 1 and it said I need OS X 10.3.... I'm only > running 10.2.8. I called my local Mac authorized dealer and he said > he would install it if I buy leopard (which my machine can't run > because it is a 800Mhz) and he would copy a disk for me. Still > trying to figure out what to do. I got such a good deal on this > computer that I couldn't pass it up.. $179.00 now I'm thinking I > should have shelled out a few more bucks and got a machine with DVD/ > r and at least running at 1gMHZ. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon Dec 3 16:06:17 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon Dec 3 19:03:22 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing Mac OS X 10.4 In-Reply-To: <8420cef40712030733s381e9c9bmd3f9eb6155e5cb4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8420cef40712030733s381e9c9bmd3f9eb6155e5cb4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <837520BC-848E-48C7-9767-D42A81C04072@mac.com> On Dec 3, 2007, at 7:33 AM, Greg Nembhard wrote > now I'm thinking I should have shelled out a few more bucks and got > a machine with DVD/r and at least running at 1gMHZ. What you should have done in the first place was install your hard drive in your brother's QS as a "Slave" drive and used his machine to do the OS-10.5 installation. That is the method I used to install Leopard on a 733MHz G4 and it has worked perfectly from the first day. Other people have done this to install OS-10.5 on 500MHz Cubes, so it will work as long as you go about it the right way. The OS-10.5 DVD does a processor speed check before it allows or denies the installation. It doesn't care whether the drive is a Master or Slave and will do the installation as long as the other requirements (drive space available, RAM, DVD drive, etc) have been met. From dancurr at frontiernet.net Mon Dec 3 19:12:05 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Mon Dec 3 19:26:53 2007 Subject: [G4] Monitor for Mac Pro Message-ID: <4754C585.1020708@frontiernet.net> Hello All, I am considering purchasing an Apple Mac Pro and would also like to upgrade my monitor to an LCD flat screen - 17" and above. Recommendations welcomed! Dan Currie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071203/77501f4d/attachment.html From marquesalandesign at mac.com Mon Dec 3 19:22:47 2007 From: marquesalandesign at mac.com (Mark Delgrosso) Date: Mon Dec 3 21:53:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Belkin F5U220 USB 2.0 PCI card Message-ID: I recently purchased a Belkin F5U220 USB 2.0 PCI card. When my Quicksilver G4 (2001) goes to sleep it disconnects the card and my iPod will not sync. This is definitely because of Leopard. Does anyone know a work around? Thank you, Mark -- Marques Alan Design Mark Alan Delgrosso 2237 W. Naranja Ave. Mesa, AZ 85202-7370 480-510-2193 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071203/80d5da23/attachment.html From chux at aapt.net.au Mon Dec 3 20:41:40 2007 From: chux at aapt.net.au (chx) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:04:50 2007 Subject: [G4] Leaping Leopards In-Reply-To: <20071204030349.8FDE52093998@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071204030349.8FDE52093998@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: And? What's it like? Is Leopard worth the leap for those on 800 mhz or less? Regards, chx On 4 Dec 2007, at 14:03, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > That is the method I used to install Leopard on a 733MHz G4 and it has > worked perfectly from the first day. 30 30 40S 151 39 25E From skygram at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 21:50:56 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:34:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Monitor for Mac Pro In-Reply-To: <4754C585.1020708@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Dan, A number of friends of mine are waiting for the next generation of Mac Pros to present themselves. We are all hoping that something is offered this coming January at this show where Steve Jobs is to be the keynote speaker. We are all also hoping for a new generation of Apple Cinema Display screens. Recently my seven year old 19 inch LaCie Electron Blue died. It was a wonderful monitor. Now I am looking for something to replace it. However I don't have the big bucks that I once did. So I am looking for a more modest alternative. After doing a lot of looking around I seem to be coming back to the Viewsonic Graphics series. Also their pro line looks good too. It has been my belief that Viewsonic have a tight control over the manufacture of their machines. In the past I have found them very reliable. Their graphic series offer stands that are quite flexible and easy to adjust. I like being able to flip my monitors around when I am showing something to people. I also like the Dell UltraSharp line of monitors. These models would fall under the mid priced range, whereas Eizo monitors are into the upper strata of quality as well as price. Also size plays a roll in my choices. 20 inches seems cool, but larger is better. These days I am looking for a monitor 22 to 24 inches in size for under $600.00. Hopefully I'll get lucky and find something in the new year. At the moment I am using a 13 year old 17 inch Apple CRT that still works pretty well. Good luck in your search. Bill From chux at aapt.net.au Mon Dec 3 20:41:40 2007 From: chux at aapt.net.au (chx) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:42:09 2007 Subject: [G4] Leaping Leopards In-Reply-To: <20071204030349.8FDE52093998@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071204030349.8FDE52093998@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: And? What's it like? Is Leopard worth the leap for those on 800 mhz or less? Regards, chx On 4 Dec 2007, at 14:03, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > That is the method I used to install Leopard on a 733MHz G4 and it has > worked perfectly from the first day. 30 30 40S 151 39 25E From ewood at izoom.net Mon Dec 3 21:56:12 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Mon Dec 3 22:43:42 2007 Subject: [G4] Monitor for Mac Pro In-Reply-To: <4754C585.1020708@frontiernet.net> References: <4754C585.1020708@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <8D2626B8-D4F2-4482-AC1A-AAA40D105ACD@izoom.net> Am Dec 3, 2007 um 9:12 PM schrieb Dan A Currie: > Hello All, > > I am considering purchasing an Apple Mac Pro and would also like to > upgrade my monitor to an LCD flat screen - 17" and above. > > Recommendations welcomed! > > Dan Currie > Don't know what resolution you'd like to have, but my Westinghouse 22" goes up to 1680X1050 and I love it. Has inputs for DVI, VGA, S- vid and AV. Use one button the back to switch between them. It has speakers, though they're pretty small. Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071203/cb838472/attachment.html From gifutiger at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 01:36:33 2007 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue Dec 4 02:39:14 2007 Subject: [G4] Belkin F5U220 USB 2.0 PCI card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings, Move your iPod to one of the built-in USB ports and move what ever is on that port to the Belkin PCI card. Best regards, ---------------------------------------------------- On Dec 3, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Mark Delgrosso wrote: > I recently purchased a Belkin F5U220 USB 2.0 PCI card. > When my Quicksilver G4 (2001) goes to sleep it disconnects the card > and my iPod will not sync. > This is definitely because of Leopard. Does anyone know a work around? > Thank you, Mark > -- > Marques Alan Design > Mark Alan Delgrosso > 2237 W. Naranja Ave. > Mesa, AZ 85202-7370 > 480-510-2193 > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1901 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071204/c00079a7/attachment.bin From wifido at wanadoo.es Tue Dec 4 03:19:05 2007 From: wifido at wanadoo.es (Tore) Date: Tue Dec 4 03:19:14 2007 Subject: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! Message-ID: <26F2816E-A005-4DC9-9AA8-CFD0A5F93404@wanadoo.es> Has anyone experienced this phenomenon, there is no apparent reason and I can restart immediately. I'm on a UPS so there is no general PF and the screen has power from the G4 the whole time. The machine just switches off, no shut down, no warnig, just zapp! From richspk at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 03:47:52 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Tue Dec 4 03:48:03 2007 Subject: [G4] Monitor for Mac Pro In-Reply-To: References: <4754C585.1020708@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30712040347n46cf69d0gfeffbc12c03cd297@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 4, 2007 12:50 AM, Skygram wrote: > > Recently my seven year old 19 inch LaCie Electron Blue died. It was a > wonderful monitor. I had one of those monitors at my last job. I think it had some issue, but I don't remember what, and it was a minor issue, and the result of the monitor already being a few years old when it came onto my desk. I think my last CRT was a refurbished and debadged Sun 20" monitor with a Sony Trinitron tube. The first good monitor I bought was a 13" or 14" Mitsubishi DiamondScan in '87 or '88, when multiscan monitors were a little rare. It was a great monitor, but that was a long time ago, and may not have any bearing on their current offerings. I also had an Optiquest/Viewsonic 17" CRT that I really liked. The monitor I've been using for the last couple years at home is a Samsung 213T 20" (or maybe it's 21") LCD. I really love this monitor and would like to buy another Samsung next time I need a monitor. This one has a 4:3 aspect ratio. The world is moving on to 16:9 and 16:10 monitors, so you might be able to find some real good deals on this model. My next monitor will probably be one of those widescreen ones. I'll be looking at 24" monitors because those are the smallest widescreen LCDs that won't make me step down from the 1200 pixel vertical resolution that I'm used to. My current monitor is 1600x1200; 24" widescreen LCDs are almost all 1920x1200 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WUXGA). -- Rich From jonseward at mindspring.com Tue Dec 4 03:48:59 2007 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Tue Dec 4 03:50:14 2007 Subject: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! Message-ID: <380-220071224114859126@M2W017.mail2web.com> No. Sounds frightening. Have you checked the power supply cable to make sure its connections are tight? Might be the power supply itself. No real idea, though. Have you gone to Apple's support center? There are technical articles and user comments available that may help. Let us know when you've traced the problem, please. And good luck. jon Original Message: ----------------- From: Tore wifido@wanadoo.es Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:19:05 +0100 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! Has anyone experienced this phenomenon, there is no apparent reason and I can restart immediately. I'm on a UPS so there is no general PF and the screen has power from the G4 the whole time. The machine just switches off, no shut down, no warnig, just zapp! _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com ? Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft? Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From fsudore at mac.com Tue Dec 4 04:28:14 2007 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Tue Dec 4 04:28:25 2007 Subject: [G4] Monitor for Mac Pro In-Reply-To: <8D2626B8-D4F2-4482-AC1A-AAA40D105ACD@izoom.net> References: <4754C585.1020708@frontiernet.net> <8D2626B8-D4F2-4482-AC1A-AAA40D105ACD@izoom.net> Message-ID: <51D93161-EC5D-421F-9179-0DD2BDC4B8C3@mac.com> Buy the Apple they just lowerd the price. On Dec 4, 2007, at 12:56 AM, Eric Wood wrote: > > Am Dec 3, 2007 um 9:12 PM schrieb Dan A Currie: > >> Hello All, >> >> I am considering purchasing an Apple Mac Pro and would also like to >> upgrade my monitor to an LCD flat screen - 17" and above. >> >> Recommendations welcomed! >> >> Dan Currie >> > Don't know what resolution you'd like to have, but my Westinghouse > 22" goes up to 1680X1050 and I love it. Has inputs for DVI, VGA, S- > vid and AV. Use one button the back to switch between them. It has > speakers, though they're pretty small. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071204/0ae6ac21/attachment.html From hi8vidcam at hotmail.com Tue Dec 4 09:13:54 2007 From: hi8vidcam at hotmail.com (Larry Parsons) Date: Tue Dec 4 09:14:26 2007 Subject: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! In-Reply-To: <26F2816E-A005-4DC9-9AA8-CFD0A5F93404@wanadoo.es> References: <26F2816E-A005-4DC9-9AA8-CFD0A5F93404@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: I,m having a similar problem, recently, with a DP450 gigabit ethernet machine. It shuts down for no apparent reason but it will not power up unless I let it set for an hour or so. I'm thinking it may be heat related. A couple of years ago I replaced the power supply because the machine would not power up, this was the advice of some members of this forum, but further investigation proved it to be the power button (switch) that was malfunctioning. This was a whole lot cheaper and easier fix than the power supply. I'll be watching the responses you get on this, seeing as how we have similar problems and our machines are close to the same age.> To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> From: wifido@wanadoo.es> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:19:05 +0100> Subject: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure!> > Has anyone experienced this phenomenon, there is no apparent reason > and I can restart immediately. I'm on a UPS so there is no general PF > and the screen has power from the G4 the whole time. The machine just > switches off, no shut down, no warnig, just zapp!> > > _______________________________________________> G4 mailing list> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.? Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071204/a46e8a52/attachment.html From gmedia.dv at verizon.net Tue Dec 4 09:26:18 2007 From: gmedia.dv at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue Dec 4 09:54:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! In-Reply-To: References: <26F2816E-A005-4DC9-9AA8-CFD0A5F93404@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: Verify the UPS. I would first pull the plug on the UPS to see if that caused the shut down. I have had them go bad. Then when they sense a power failure (that you may not even notice) it switches to battery but there may be no battery power available, thus the shut down. Then check the power switch and power connections. Ron-- > > Has anyone experienced this phenomenon, there is no apparent reason > > and I can restart immediately. I'm on a UPS so there is no > general PF > > and the screen has power from the G4 the whole time. The machine > just > > switches off, no shut down, no warnig, just zapp! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071204/418723d5/attachment.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Tue Dec 4 10:47:07 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Tue Dec 4 10:53:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 Leaping Leopards In-Reply-To: <20071204114826.E648820ABA0C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071204114826.E648820ABA0C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/04/07, chx wrote: > > And? What's it like? Is Leopard worth the leap for those on 800 mhz > or less? > > On 4 Dec 2007, at 14:03, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > wrote: > >> That is the method I used to install Leopard on a 733MHz G4 and it has >> worked perfectly from the first day. As I posted last month: It runs faster than 10.4.11 on my unsupported G4, 450 MP. FWIW, I used the technigue at to modify a cloned install disk on an internal HD and external FWHD. I beta-tested the cat, so ran it for over a year on the G4 and my mate's 1GHz 17" flat-panel iMac. That and reports from other beta-testers indicated every incremental build brought some speed increase in one area or another. I still run 10.4.11 on a daily basis and think stuff loads faster, Safari's snappier, etc. No other benchmarks, but I've beta-tested Panther, Tiger, and Leopard, so my experience is what I base my conclusion on. From ronsteinke at mac.com Tue Dec 4 15:33:43 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Tue Dec 4 15:33:57 2007 Subject: [G4] Leaping Leopards In-Reply-To: References: <20071204030349.8FDE52093998@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <968880B7-F344-40F7-8A8E-16598D7059D0@mac.com> On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:41 PM, chx wrote: > Is Leopard worth the leap for those on 800 mhz or less? That requires an objective decision on each individual's part. Are you satisfied with the performance of the older machine? Can you afford a new and faster machine? Are you willing to upgrade peripheral devices and software if you upgrade the OS? Do you really need OS-10.5 on your machine? Do you just WANT a newer, faster, more powerful, and prettier Mac system? For me, it was a test only. I could do it, so I did it! The slower G4 now has OS-10-5 on it and it hasn't had any problem so far, but I am keeping an eye on it for any odd behaviour. From august.ham at verizon.net Tue Dec 4 16:45:30 2007 From: august.ham at verizon.net (YOUR FRIEND, CHRIS) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:46:18 2007 Subject: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive? Message-ID: <614E5254-A2CB-11DC-A541-003065B79FCC@verizon.net> hi- i have a gigabit ethernet with an owc mercury fw external hd. i am using a non apple keyboard. i made a clone which it will boot from if selected in systems preferences - but will NOT boot by holding down option key at startup, because startup manager isn't supported by the non apple keyboard {i tested with an apple keyboard and it went right to startup manager}. i don't want to use an apple keyboard. when the internal drive does fail, is there any other way to boot from the external drive? i'm currently on os 10.2.8 with 9.2 also on clone. also; i would like to back up my installation discs in case they get lost or damaged. can i just drag their images onto the external drive to have a full - and - bootable copy of the os? if so, do it put it on the clone partition of the fw drive? thank you for all your replies. From ronsteinke at mac.com Tue Dec 4 16:58:17 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Tue Dec 4 16:58:26 2007 Subject: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive? In-Reply-To: <614E5254-A2CB-11DC-A541-003065B79FCC@verizon.net> References: <614E5254-A2CB-11DC-A541-003065B79FCC@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Dec 4, 2007, at 4:45 PM, YOUR FRIEND, CHRIS wrote: > i would like to back up my installation discs in case they get lost > or damaged. With a CD burner in your machine, use a disc burning program like Toast to make a copy of the installation disc. This works with OS-9 and the CD versions of OS-10. With later versions of OS-10, you need a DVD burner because of the amount of data in the installation disc. From ewood at izoom.net Tue Dec 4 18:42:32 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Tue Dec 4 18:42:40 2007 Subject: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive? In-Reply-To: <614E5254-A2CB-11DC-A541-003065B79FCC@verizon.net> References: <614E5254-A2CB-11DC-A541-003065B79FCC@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9DF4292E-596A-407D-BD2A-9C7CECDC89FD@izoom.net> Am Dec 4, 2007 um 6:45 PM schrieb YOUR FRIEND, CHRIS: > hi- > i have a gigabit ethernet with an owc mercury fw external hd. i am > using a non apple keyboard. i made a clone which it will boot from > if selected in systems preferences - but will NOT boot by holding > down option key at startup, because startup manager isn't supported > by the non apple keyboard {i tested with an apple keyboard and it > went right to startup manager}. > > i don't want to use an apple keyboard. when the internal drive does > fail, is there any other way to boot from the external drive? i'm > currently on os 10.2.8 with 9.2 also on clone. > > also; i would like to back up my installation discs in case they > get lost or damaged. can i just drag their images onto the external > drive to have a full - and - bootable copy of the os? > if so, do it put it on the clone partition of the fw drive? > > thank you for all your replies. > It seems that some third-party keyboards don't get along with open firmware, but I know of at least one that does. I have a Logitech Internet 350, which is a simple, inexpensive one with a few media keys. In OS X 10.4.11, the play/pause, volume up/down and mute all work. So, get that or another keyboard that's happy with your Mac and you'll be fine. Eric From mos125 at comcast.net Tue Dec 4 20:01:03 2007 From: mos125 at comcast.net (Thomas Brooks) Date: Tue Dec 4 20:01:10 2007 Subject: [G4] Setting Monitor Resolution In-Reply-To: <514613BF-F362-4079-AF8F-38513FCE0D74@optonline.net> References: <514613BF-F362-4079-AF8F-38513FCE0D74@optonline.net> Message-ID: <192efec1910cda3aaccd01c320d72b33@comcast.net> Jim & Eric: THANKS for your answers. Once I knew what I was supposed to be looking for I was able to figure it out. FYI I found an adjustment to bring the 1920 X 1080 within the screen but display was then distorted height and width. ### On Nov 29, 2007, at 9:30 PM, James Asherman wrote: > > On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Thomas Brooks wrote: > >> I recently installed an ATI Radeon 9800 Mac Pro graphics card in my >> G4. I have Acer 22" monitor. My plan is to upgrade to Tiger or >> Leopard soon. >> >> I know very little about graphics or displays. When I set the monitor >> resolution to 1680 x 1050, 60 Hz, Millions everything seems to work >> fine. When I set the resolution to 1920 x 1080, 60 Hz, Millions the >> desktop extends right and left and top and bottom outside the >> display. What gives? Is there some way to adjust this. I know this is >> basic but I need a place to start. >> >> TIA >> >> Tom Brooks >> > I have a 9800 too. > Your 22" display only has 1680 by 1050 pixels. That is it's native > size. > If you pump more pixels they will be off screen. > You can do less pixels, but it gets jaggy. > My 19" for instance has a max res of 1440x900, and the same thing > happens with Hi-def. > with older CRT's you might have had the option of screwing it up to > accomodate your tastes but not the LCD's. > Jim > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From chux at aapt.net.au Tue Dec 4 20:52:07 2007 From: chux at aapt.net.au (chx) Date: Tue Dec 4 20:58:53 2007 Subject: [G4] Leap in to Leopard on SP <801mhz? In-Reply-To: <20071205005836.8B8C020C2C8E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071205005836.8B8C020C2C8E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: If Leopard runs at least as well as 10.4.11 on my QS800 then it'll be worth upgrading, because in due course there will be stuff that is Leopard only (and besides my wife has a G4 laptop that can run it too). However, if it is slower or buggy on unsupported machines then I'll just have to live with 10.4.11 until I upgrade in 5 years time. Regards, Charles On 5 Dec 2007, at 11:58, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > That requires an objective decision on each individual's part. > > Are you satisfied with the performance of the older machine? Can you > afford a new and faster machine? Are you willing to upgrade peripheral > devices and software if you upgrade the OS? Do you really need OS-10.5 > on your machine? 30 30 40S 151 39 25E From shawnoel at insightbb.com Tue Dec 4 21:01:20 2007 From: shawnoel at insightbb.com (Shawn Noel) Date: Tue Dec 4 21:01:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! In-Reply-To: <26F2816E-A005-4DC9-9AA8-CFD0A5F93404@wanadoo.es> References: <26F2816E-A005-4DC9-9AA8-CFD0A5F93404@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: Hey! I have had something like that happen to me. Directly after I installed Leopard (upgrade install) on my G4 Sawtooth AGP, the gray screen came up for around nine seconds and then...zapp! The drive had to be wiped clean in the end. I arranged the components in all sorts of configurations, took out questionable RAM, swapped monitors(ADC)....everything. I couldn't boot from the D drive which made things worse. Disk Utility via laptop helped out with that. I hope that you get your answer. On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:19 AM, Tore wrote: > Has anyone experienced this phenomenon, there is no apparent reason > and I can restart immediately. I'm on a UPS so there is no general > PF and the screen has power from the G4 the whole time. The machine > just switches off, no shut down, no warnig, just zapp! > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Shawn Noel shawnoel@insightbb.com Ron Paul for President www.ronpaul2008.com www.teaparty07.com Liberty is brewing! From jonseward at mindspring.com Wed Dec 5 02:41:00 2007 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Wed Dec 5 02:41:06 2007 Subject: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! Message-ID: <380-22007123510410351@M2W020.mail2web.com> Shawn, Did you try uninstalling Leopard? When I upgrade the OS, I generally do the install on a spare partition, or take the opportunity to install a new, larger internal drive. That let's me archive the old OS in place, and to easily boot back into the old, stable configuration if something goes wrong or is buggy. And I back up everything onto DVD's before doing the install, just for fun. I have the same Sawtooth and have been considering the upgrade, so this is worrisome. Are you running Leopard now? Thanks, Jon Original Message: ----------------- From: Shawn Noel shawnoel@insightbb.com Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:01:20 -0500 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: Re: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! Hey! I have had something like that happen to me. Directly after I installed Leopard (upgrade install) on my G4 Sawtooth AGP, the gray screen came up for around nine seconds and then...zapp! The drive had to be wiped clean in the end. I arranged the components in all sorts of configurations, took out questionable RAM, swapped monitors(ADC)....everything. I couldn't boot from the D drive which made things worse. Disk Utility via laptop helped out with that. I hope that you get your answer. On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:19 AM, Tore wrote: > Has anyone experienced this phenomenon, there is no apparent reason > and I can restart immediately. I'm on a UPS so there is no general > PF and the screen has power from the G4 the whole time. The machine > just switches off, no shut down, no warnig, just zapp! > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Shawn Noel shawnoel@insightbb.com Ron Paul for President www.ronpaul2008.com www.teaparty07.com Liberty is brewing! _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From jonseward at mindspring.com Wed Dec 5 04:41:21 2007 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Wed Dec 5 04:41:29 2007 Subject: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive? Message-ID: <380-220071235124121860@M2W016.mail2web.com> Carbon Copy Cloner. Make sure that all files, including the invisible ones are cloned. I don't see the point of putting the cloned install disc on your primary drive. It's more likely that the drive will fail than the partition. Have you thought of installing a second, internal hard drive? There's plenty of room. If the drive is cable selected, then a if your primary drive fails you will automatically default to start off of your secondary, w/o needing the keyboard command. Similarly, you can boot from your install disc in your optical drive. HTH, Jon Original Message: ----------------- From: Eric Wood ewood@izoom.net Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:42:32 -0600 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: Re: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive? Am Dec 4, 2007 um 6:45 PM schrieb YOUR FRIEND, CHRIS: > hi- > i have a gigabit ethernet with an owc mercury fw external hd. i am > using a non apple keyboard. i made a clone which it will boot from > if selected in systems preferences - but will NOT boot by holding > down option key at startup, because startup manager isn't supported > by the non apple keyboard {i tested with an apple keyboard and it > went right to startup manager}. > > i don't want to use an apple keyboard. when the internal drive does > fail, is there any other way to boot from the external drive? i'm > currently on os 10.2.8 with 9.2 also on clone. > > also; i would like to back up my installation discs in case they > get lost or damaged. can i just drag their images onto the external > drive to have a full - and - bootable copy of the os? > if so, do it put it on the clone partition of the fw drive? > > thank you for all your replies. > It seems that some third-party keyboards don't get along with open firmware, but I know of at least one that does. I have a Logitech Internet 350, which is a simple, inexpensive one with a few media keys. In OS X 10.4.11, the play/pause, volume up/down and mute all work. So, get that or another keyboard that's happy with your Mac and you'll be fine. Eric -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com ? Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft? Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From obgraph at hiwaay.net Wed Dec 5 06:35:45 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Wed Dec 5 06:35:59 2007 Subject: [G4] Leap in to Leopard on SP <801mhz? In-Reply-To: References: <20071205005836.8B8C020C2C8E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <20071205083545.891636.a6152242@hiwaay.net> On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:52:07 +1100, chx wrote: > If Leopard runs at least as well as 10.4.11 on my QS800 then it'll > be worth upgrading....... This was discussed on the OSX group. As I understand it (according to one or two people there), it runs just fine on slower Macs. One said they were running it on a 450. But, evidently, it can't be installed on these Macs from the install DVD (I guess, Apple doesn't want you to do that.) It must be installed on a faster Mac and transferred to the slower one using Firewire/target mode. (I haven't done this myself.) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From shawnoel at insightbb.com Wed Dec 5 06:52:35 2007 From: shawnoel at insightbb.com (Shawn Noel) Date: Wed Dec 5 06:53:16 2007 Subject: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! In-Reply-To: <380-22007123510410351@M2W020.mail2web.com> References: <380-22007123510410351@M2W020.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <25FDB9D5-C65C-4EB1-ABD1-4423F0DBCA04@insightbb.com> Hey Jon! I'll tell you what I would have done had I known Leopard was going to be such a pain to install. I would have taken the opportunity to buy a new hard drive and make it the master drive. Then, use my original as the slave drive. After installing Leopard onto the new drive, I then would have the option of using migration assistant(utilities[awesome]) to copy everything from the old drive(slave) to the new drive(master). That's what I would do if I were someone wanting to upgrade my G4 to Leopard. You can never have too many hard drives anyhow. I did back-up my drive which is why I didn't worry too much when I had to wipe the drive clean. I've read that it's a formatting issue with older machines. Thanks for the tips Jon. Happy Holidays! On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:41 AM, jonseward@mindspring.com wrote: > Shawn, > > Did you try uninstalling Leopard? > > When I upgrade the OS, I generally do the install on a spare > partition, or > take the opportunity to install a new, larger > internal drive. That let's me archive the old OS in place, and to > easily > boot back into the old, stable configuration if > something goes wrong or is buggy. > > And I back up everything onto DVD's before doing the install, just > for fun. > > I have the same Sawtooth and have been considering the upgrade, so > this is > worrisome. > > Are you running Leopard now? > > Thanks, > > Jon > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Shawn Noel shawnoel@insightbb.com > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:01:20 -0500 > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Subject: Re: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! > > > Hey! I have had something like that happen to me. Directly after I > installed Leopard (upgrade install) on my G4 Sawtooth AGP, the gray > screen came up for around nine seconds and then...zapp! The drive had > to be wiped clean in the end. I arranged the components in all sorts > of configurations, took out questionable RAM, swapped > monitors(ADC)....everything. I couldn't boot from the D drive which > made things worse. Disk Utility via laptop helped out with that. I > hope that you get your answer. > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:19 AM, Tore wrote: > >> Has anyone experienced this phenomenon, there is no apparent reason >> and I can restart immediately. I'm on a UPS so there is no general >> PF and the screen has power from the G4 the whole time. The machine >> just switches off, no shut down, no warnig, just zapp! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Shawn Noel > shawnoel@insightbb.com > > Ron Paul for President > www.ronpaul2008.com > www.teaparty07.com Liberty is brewing! > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Shawn Noel shawnoel@insightbb.com Ron Paul for President www.ronpaul2008.com www.teaparty07.com Liberty is brewing! From august.ham at verizon.net Wed Dec 5 09:41:57 2007 From: august.ham at verizon.net (YOUR FRIEND, CHRIS) Date: Wed Dec 5 09:42:20 2007 Subject: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive? Message-ID: <5FF61DF8-A359-11DC-A541-003065B79FCC@verizon.net> > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:41:21 -0500 From: "jonseward@mindspring.com" Subject: Re: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive? To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Message-ID: <380-220071235124121860@M2W016.mail2web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Carbon Copy Cloner. Make sure that all files, including the invisible ones are cloned. I don't see the point of putting the cloned install disc on your primary drive. It's more likely that the drive will fail than the partition. Have you thought of installing a second, internal hard drive? There's plenty of room. If the drive is cable selected, then a if your primary drive fails you will automatically default to start off of your secondary, w/o needing the keyboard command. Similarly, you can boot from your install disc in your optical drive. HTH, Jon Hello JON! thanks for your reply. i have a couple questions; i do not know a thing about any of this, so please bear with me. Carbon Copy Cloner. Make sure that all files, including the invisible ones are cloned. = i made the clone using prosoft data backup 3. does the fact that it will boot from the clone partition of my external verify that all the data on my internal - including the hidden files - is properly copied? I don't see the point of putting the cloned install disc on your primary drive. It's more likely that the drive will fail than the partition. = what i meant is i want to put the copied os's on my external hd; if you think i should do that, should they go on the clone partition, make their own partition - or does it matter? Have you thought of installing a second, internal hard drive? There's plenty of room. If the drive is cable selected, then a if your primary drive fails you will automatically default to start off of your secondary, w/o needing the keyboard command. = yes i have; in fact i originally bought one and exchanged it for the mercury. cash is tight and i want to minimize what i spend on this 8 year old unit; even though more expensive, the mercury can "follow" me. Similarly, you can boot from your install disc in your optical drive. = ok - i think this is what i'm after! does this mean that in case of main hard drive failure, i can install an os install cd or dvd, restart holding down "c", and then somehow select the external drive to boot from? if thats the case, then i won't have to worry about buying another kb, correct? = one last one; one of the discs i have is leopard {retail} i want to back it up and eventually install it when i figure out how. i've read a lot of people do their os upgrades from a separate partition, keeping the original os intact in case of problems[?] then switching to the upgrade. please explain exactly how to do this; will installing it on a partition be the same as having the install dvd? {my dvd reader is acting up too, so i'd like at least have it on the machine to install somehow in case that fails too} thanks again chris Am Dec 4, 2007 um 6:45 PM schrieb YOUR FRIEND, CHRIS: > hi- > i have a gigabit ethernet with an owc mercury fw external hd. i am > using a non apple keyboard. i made a clone which it will boot from > if selected in systems preferences - but will NOT boot by holding > down option key at startup, because startup manager isn't supported > by the non apple keyboard {i tested with an apple keyboard and it > went right to startup manager}. > > i don't want to use an apple keyboard. when the internal drive does > fail, is there any other way to boot from the external drive? i'm > currently on os 10.2.8 with 9.2 also on clone. > > also; i would like to back up my installation discs in case they > get lost or damaged. can i just drag their images onto the external > drive to have a full - and - bootable copy of the os? > if so, do it put it on the clone partition of the fw drive? > > thank you for all your replies. From baltwo at san.rr.com Wed Dec 5 16:21:08 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Wed Dec 5 16:21:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Leap in to Leopard on SP <801mhz? In-Reply-To: <20071205145313.8523920DA84E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071205145313.8523920DA84E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 12/05/07, chx wrote: > > If Leopard runs at least as well as 10.4.11 on my QS800 then it'll be > worth upgrading, because in due course there will be stuff that is > Leopard only (and besides my wife has a G4 laptop that can run it > too). However, if it is slower or buggy on unsupported machines then > I'll just have to live with 10.4.11 until I upgrade in 5 years time. I gave you an answer yesterday. Go for it. From devonr at nwfdailynews.com Thu Dec 6 06:21:06 2007 From: devonr at nwfdailynews.com (Devon Ravine) Date: Thu Dec 6 06:25:47 2007 Subject: [G4] motherboard vs. pci drive controller Message-ID: Hi, I've got a Sonnet Tempo ATA 133 pci hard drive controller card that I was considering installing in my G4 (AGP) 400 mh. machine. I'm not all that concerned about large drive support or putting more than 2 drive in the G4. But I was wondering if anyone on the list could tell me if there are performance benefits (read/write speed, etc) to using a pci hard drive controller vs. the on-board controller. thanks, Devon From senseamp at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 06:36:53 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Thu Dec 6 06:37:01 2007 Subject: [G4] motherboard vs. pci drive controller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <593398.74815.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If you use it with a ATA 133 hard drive, then it will be twice as fast as the built in one. If you are just going to use it with the standard hd then I don't think you will see any improvement. John --- Devon Ravine wrote: > > Hi, > > I've got a Sonnet Tempo ATA 133 pci hard drive > controller card that I was > considering installing in my G4 (AGP) 400 mh. > machine. I'm not all that > concerned about large drive support or putting more > than 2 drive in the > G4. But I was wondering if anyone on the list could > tell me if there are > performance benefits (read/write speed, etc) to > using a pci hard drive > controller vs. the on-board controller. > > thanks, > > Devon > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From gifutiger at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 07:36:46 2007 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Thu Dec 6 07:37:04 2007 Subject: [G4] motherboard vs. pci drive controller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6875d0b08b0cae2f98fe20dea2273547@comcast.net> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Your G4 platform should have two hard drive controllers, one is the plug-in controller card that is located in the last slot next to PCI slot "D" which should be the one that your hard drives that are located in the rear of the box. This card interfaces directly to the 100 Meg buss and gives you a 100 Megabit transfer of data. Then there is another controller that is part of the mother-board which connects your SVD/DVR and perhaps a ZIP drive and it is connected to the 66 Meg. buss and provides a 66 Megabit transfer of data. So if you add a Sonnet Tempo ATA 133 PCI controller card and use that as your main drive connection it would appear that you will gain a 33% increase in data, however since your main data buss only operates at 100 Megs, you will not gain any increase in data transfer. Therefore that only advantage that you will gain is the ability to add more drives, and you will loose a PCI slot that can be used for other things. Best regards, Harry ---------------------------------------------------- On Dec 6, 2007, at 6:21 AM, Devon Ravine wrote: > > Hi, > > I've got a Sonnet Tempo ATA 133 pci hard drive controller card that I > was > considering installing in my G4 (AGP) 400 mh. machine. I'm not all that > concerned about large drive support or putting more than 2 drive in the > G4. But I was wondering if anyone on the list could tell me if there > are > performance benefits (read/write speed, etc) to using a pci hard drive > controller vs. the on-board controller. > > thanks, > > Devon > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From richspk at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 07:36:56 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Dec 6 07:37:15 2007 Subject: [G4] motherboard vs. pci drive controller In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004901c8381d$dcb2c6d0$6b1016ac@cytyc.com> On 12/06/07, Devon Ravine [devonr@nwfdailynews.com] wrote: > > Hi, > > I've got a Sonnet Tempo ATA 133 pci hard drive controller > card that I was considering installing in my G4 (AGP) 400 mh. > machine. I'm not all that concerned about large drive support > or putting more than 2 drive in the G4. But I was wondering > if anyone on the list could tell me if there are performance > benefits (read/write speed, etc) to using a pci hard drive > controller vs. the on-board controller. There shouldn't be. Just going on my failable memory, I think the on-board controller is actually also a PCI controller, only it's hardwired into the PCI bus instead of being on a plug-in card. I also think the on-board controller is ATA 100 instead of ATA 133, but I doubt that'd make a very noticeable difference. -- Rich From senseamp at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 08:54:42 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Thu Dec 6 08:54:53 2007 Subject: [G4] motherboard vs. pci drive controller In-Reply-To: <6875d0b08b0cae2f98fe20dea2273547@comcast.net> Message-ID: <739913.31445.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Harry Freeman wrote: > Your G4 platform should have two hard drive > controllers, one is the > plug-in controller card that is located in the last > slot next to PCI > slot "D" which should be the one that your hard > drives that are located > in the rear of the box. This card interfaces > directly to the 100 Meg > buss and gives you a 100 Megabit transfer of data. Sorry Harry, but it's an ATA66 controller according to Apple: http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/Power_Mac_G4_AGP.html#top John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From jonseward at mindspring.com Thu Dec 6 12:50:55 2007 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Thu Dec 6 12:51:18 2007 Subject: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive? Message-ID: <380-22007124620505541@M2W015.mail2web.com> Hi Chris, Your original install disc &/or software rstore discs issued with the computer are the gold standard for booting. Save them, keep them well, make cloned copies to store elsewhere. Can't go wrong. I had an old PowerMac and sometimes thing would get hinky on the new OS and I'd have no recourse but to you those old legacy floppies. You should be able to boot up from your Leopard install disc from the computer's optical drive, or from a portable drive, should the internal drive go bad. Once you boot up, you may have little or no access to the files and applications on the corrupted internal drive - but at least you can take a look around. Repair utilities like Tech Tool pro and Disk Warrior can also help to repair and salvage drives and files that have gone bad, without needing to wipe a drive clean or trash it. Similarly, there is a utility application available to add partitions to an existing boot drive without reformatting or losing data. Since you don't want to buy another drive, you may want to look at that. I've never had a partition become so corrupted that I could not reinstall the OS or salvage the files. I have had physical/electronic problems with drives that have crippled them and led to the loss of data and files. That's why I prefer the multiple drive approach over multiple partitions. If your OS data becomes corrupted and the drive is sound, then you should be able to do a clean install of the OS directly from your install disc, holding down 'C" at startup, and not need to invest in another hard drive. Myself, I try to always install another internal drive, larger than my boot drive, partitioned minimally to provide one partition for a pristine version of the OS, and another partition for backup files. HTH, jon Original Message: ----------------- From: YOUR FRIEND, CHRIS august.ham@verizon.net Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:41:57 -0500 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: Re: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive? Hello JON! thanks for your reply. i have a couple questions; i do not know a thing about any of this, so please bear with me. Carbon Copy Cloner. Make sure that all files, including the invisible ones are cloned. = i made the clone using prosoft data backup 3. does the fact that it will boot from the clone partition of my external verify that all the data on my internal - including the hidden files - is properly copied? I don't see the point of putting the cloned install disc on your primary drive. It's more likely that the drive will fail than the partition. = what i meant is i want to put the copied os's on my external hd; if you think i should do that, should they go on the clone partition, make their own partition - or does it matter? Have you thought of installing a second, internal hard drive? There's plenty of room. If the drive is cable selected, then a if your primary drive fails you will automatically default to start off of your secondary, w/o needing the keyboard command. = yes i have; in fact i originally bought one and exchanged it for the mercury. cash is tight and i want to minimize what i spend on this 8 year old unit; even though more expensive, the mercury can "follow" me. Similarly, you can boot from your install disc in your optical drive. = ok - i think this is what i'm after! does this mean that in case of main hard drive failure, i can install an os install cd or dvd, restart holding down "c", and then somehow select the external drive to boot from? if thats the case, then i won't have to worry about buying another kb, correct? = one last one; one of the discs i have is leopard {retail} i want to back it up and eventually install it when i figure out how. i've read a lot of people do their os upgrades from a separate partition, keeping the original os intact in case of problems[?] then switching to the upgrade. please explain exactly how to do this; will installing it on a partition be the same as having the install dvd? {my dvd reader is acting up too, so i'd like at least have it on the machine to install somehow in case that fails too} thanks again chris -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From chux at aapt.net.au Thu Dec 6 14:28:34 2007 From: chux at aapt.net.au (chx) Date: Thu Dec 6 14:32:50 2007 Subject: [G4] Leap in to Leopard? In-Reply-To: <20071206205126.B233F21179BF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071206205126.B233F21179BF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <8EF1F394-CD51-4F84-B6B0-1199561B55CE@aapt.net.au> John B wrote: > I gave you an answer yesterday. You gave me an answer, true, but it wasn't entirely clear what it meant. (see below) > Go for it. Now... that's language I can understand! Regards, Charles > That and reports from other beta-testers indicated every > incremental build brought some speed increase in one area or > another. I still > run 10.4.11 on a daily basis and think stuff loads faster, Safari's > snappier, > etc. From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 15:43:52 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 15:44:03 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] (no subject)) Message-ID: <47588938.10709@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/b1b8cab1/attachment.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 15:43:55 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 15:44:22 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Installing Tiger OS) Message-ID: <4758893B.204@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/22fd260d/attachment.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 16:14:12 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:14:25 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive?) Message-ID: <47589054.6050109@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/7e8ff7fa/attachment.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 16:14:11 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:14:28 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive?) Message-ID: <47589053.5000302@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/64d49910/attachment.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 16:14:29 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:14:37 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive?) Message-ID: <47589065.6010002@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/728e30eb/attachment.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 16:14:34 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:14:56 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Setting Monitor Resolution) Message-ID: <4758906A.2030205@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/6b52cf0f/attachment-0001.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 16:14:37 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:14:59 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure!) Message-ID: <4758906D.3040102@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/1c9782c4/attachment-0001.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 16:14:55 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:15:03 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure!) Message-ID: <4758907F.7090004@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/4ee0c293/attachment.html From peter at birrendesign.com Thu Dec 6 16:15:08 2007 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:15:20 2007 Subject: [G4] No clue (was: Re: Out of Office) In-Reply-To: <47588CBF.4010705@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <47588CBF.4010705@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <2963A396-CD86-4217-B92D-C436D10CD011@birrendesign.com> - Peter On Dec 6, 2007, at 5:58 PM, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/7391031c/attachment.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 16:14:37 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:15:28 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Leap in to Leopard on SP <801mhz?) Message-ID: <4758906D.8050205@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/77a0cab6/attachment.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 16:32:53 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:33:31 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Installing Tiger OS)) Message-ID: <475894B5.3050605@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/64dcf837/attachment.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 16:32:54 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:33:36 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Setting Monitor Resolution)) Message-ID: <475894B6.7050602@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/c3e26b42/attachment-0001.html From jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu Thu Dec 6 16:33:25 2007 From: jedwards at mail.sdsu.edu (James Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:34:05 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] (no subject))) Message-ID: <475894D5.9040405@mail.sdsu.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/9fe226b6/attachment-0001.html From mwensley at sympatico.ca Thu Dec 6 16:36:23 2007 From: mwensley at sympatico.ca (Matthew Wensley) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:36:33 2007 Subject: [G4] Leopard In-Reply-To: <20071206235925.4DD02211EE68@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071206235925.4DD02211EE68@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: I know that some on here have not had any problems wth a G4 and Leopard, but I have been very unhappy. I get a lot of applications freezing, finder crashes, and I have lost 1/2 of my iTunes library. If you have a G4, I suggest caution before you upgrade. "It is sometimes said that toleration should be refused to the intolerant. In practice this would destroy it... The only remedy for dogmatism and lies is toleration and the greatest possible liberty of expression." -- Joyce Cary (1888-1957) Source: Power in Men, 1939 From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu Dec 6 16:36:57 2007 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:37:01 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] motherboard vs. pci drive controller) In-Reply-To: <4758932F.8020701@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <4758932F.8020701@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: so On Dec 6, 2007, at 19:26, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/a7fe01e6/attachment.html From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu Dec 6 16:37:21 2007 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:37:24 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] motherboard vs. pci drive controller) In-Reply-To: <4758930F.3010302@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <4758930F.3010302@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <0D8CFE80-0F51-4894-9063-5BDE73FA296B@ncwcom.com> junk On Dec 6, 2007, at 19:25, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/bc9a2333/attachment.html From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu Dec 6 16:38:00 2007 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:38:01 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] motherboard vs. pci drive controller) In-Reply-To: <47589310.8070006@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <47589310.8070006@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <37C28B74-E374-470C-83D6-F4625C367DBE@ncwcom.com> please read YOUR computer book On Dec 6, 2007, at 19:25, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/4316f88c/attachment.html From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu Dec 6 16:38:50 2007 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:39:03 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] booting options with failed hard drive?) In-Reply-To: <47589434.60005@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <47589434.60005@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: yea we are coming to go through your house thanks On Dec 6, 2007, at 19:30, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/4fe20bbf/attachment-0001.html From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu Dec 6 16:39:10 2007 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:39:11 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Leap in to Leopard?) In-Reply-To: <4758945B.5080101@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <4758945B.5080101@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <39DE5A44-9D2D-4412-B716-73A4D133F72A@ncwcom.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 19:31, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/31384c17/attachment.html From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu Dec 6 16:39:21 2007 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:39:25 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Leap in to Leopard?) In-Reply-To: <4758945B.5080101@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <4758945B.5080101@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <3EEA7D53-D6D5-4560-8CFB-AA9557B4270C@ncwcom.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 19:31, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/611cc7dd/attachment.html From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu Dec 6 16:39:41 2007 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:39:45 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Leap in to Leopard?) In-Reply-To: <4758945C.8010001@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <4758945C.8010001@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2007, at 19:31, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/a8134445/attachment.html From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu Dec 6 16:39:52 2007 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu Dec 6 16:39:58 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Installing Tiger OS)) In-Reply-To: <475894B5.3050605@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <475894B5.3050605@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <397D3900-0A5D-4CF8-820E-563B141A9188@ncwcom.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 19:32, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/7268efef/attachment.html From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu Dec 6 17:01:57 2007 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu Dec 6 17:02:04 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] (no subject))) In-Reply-To: <475894D5.3090301@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <475894D5.3090301@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <5E1E5243-3A59-4C5F-B500-FE0CCF21B6AA@ncwcom.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 19:33, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/dfaa8b06/attachment.html From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu Dec 6 17:02:12 2007 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu Dec 6 17:02:19 2007 Subject: Out of Office 12-07 (was: Out of Office 12-07 (was: [G4] Installing Tiger OS)) In-Reply-To: <475894C8.7070809@mail.sdsu.edu> References: <475894C8.7070809@mail.sdsu.edu> Message-ID: <3F2CAC83-E742-4A87-AA0F-2D2011C5281B@ncwcom.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 19:33, James Edwards wrote: > I will be out of the office until Jan. 2nd, 2008. I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will get back > to you then. > Should this be a matter that is urgent and requires immediate > attention, please contact Rob Drake at mailto:rdrake@mail.sdsu.edu > (X 4-0824) or Marc Pastor at mailto:mpastor@mail.sdsu.edu (X 4-3782). > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/0e1fa99a/attachment.html From rathibo at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 6 17:00:54 2007 From: rathibo at bellsouth.net (Ray Thibodeaux) Date: Thu Dec 6 17:02:53 2007 Subject: [G4] (no subject) Message-ID: Ray A. Thibodeaux -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/f430c021/attachment.html From ewood at izoom.net Thu Dec 6 18:52:33 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Thu Dec 6 18:52:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Leap in to Leopard on SP <801mhz? In-Reply-To: References: <20071205005836.8B8C020C2C8E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Am Dec 4, 2007 um 10:52 PM schrieb chx: > If Leopard runs at least as well as 10.4.11 on my QS800 then it'll > be worth upgrading, because in due course there will be stuff that > is Leopard only (and besides my wife has a G4 laptop that can run > it too). However, if it is slower or buggy on unsupported machines > then I'll just have to live with 10.4.11 until I upgrade in 5 years > time. > > Regards, > > Charles I'd bet the farm that anything Leopard-only will be Intel-only as well. Eric From ewood at izoom.net Thu Dec 6 18:54:24 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Thu Dec 6 18:54:40 2007 Subject: [G4] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am Dec 6, 2007 um 7:00 PM schrieb Ray Thibodeaux: > > > > > Ray A. Thibodeaux > > > Wow, that's awesome. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071206/6c270a87/attachment-0001.html From wifido at wanadoo.es Fri Dec 7 00:15:06 2007 From: wifido at wanadoo.es (Tore) Date: Fri Dec 7 00:15:19 2007 Subject: [G4] RE: Sawtooth sudden power failure! Message-ID: <45B62EC4-B4F9-4D2C-B2E8-86A2C1B9996C@wanadoo.es> I?m not sure I have totally solved the problem, I suspect that, although it's still keeping time, it?s about time to change the battery (lithium 3,6V 1,1 AH) on the motherboard. What I did was a search and found these sites, one after the other http://tinyurl.com/y94b2p http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=300574 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=95035 After having read them I reset the PMU and it?s now s back in working order for the time being, Thanks for the response. > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:48:59 -0500 > From: "jonseward@mindspring.com" > Subject: RE: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Message-ID: <380-220071224114859126@M2W017.mail2web.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Let us know when you've traced the problem, please. And good luck. > > > jon > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071207/743984cf/attachment.html From jonseward at mindspring.com Fri Dec 7 05:00:52 2007 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Fri Dec 7 05:01:00 2007 Subject: [G4] RE: Sawtooth sudden power failure! Message-ID: <380-22007125713052782@M2W013.mail2web.com> Odd. A dead motherboard battery usually causes start up problems and issues with time and date. Glad you're back up and running. jon Original Message: ----------------- From: Tore wifido@wanadoo.es Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:15:06 +0100 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: [G4] RE: Sawtooth sudden power failure! I?m not sure I have totally solved the problem, I suspect that, although it's still keeping time, it?s about time to change the battery (lithium 3,6V 1,1 AH) on the motherboard. What I did was a search and found these sites, one after the other http://tinyurl.com/y94b2p http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=300574 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=95035 After having read them I reset the PMU and it?s now s back in working order for the time being, Thanks for the response. > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:48:59 -0500 > From: "jonseward@mindspring.com" > Subject: RE: [G4] Sawtooth sudden power failure! > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Message-ID: <380-220071224114859126@M2W017.mail2web.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Let us know when you've traced the problem, please. And good luck. > > > jon -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From wifido at wanadoo.es Sun Dec 9 14:43:32 2007 From: wifido at wanadoo.es (Tore) Date: Sun Dec 9 14:43:43 2007 Subject: [G4] RE: Sawtooth sudden power failure! Message-ID: <66028D33-04D7-46B6-8793-D141557F4E21@wanadoo.es> Just feedback, I?m not sure I have totally solved the problem, I suspect that, although it's still keeping time, it?s about time to change the battery (lithium 3,6V 1,1 AH) on the motherboard. What I did was a search and found these sites:- http://tinyurl.com/y94b2p http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=300574 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=95035 After having read them I reset the PMU and it?s now s back in working order, for the time being, Monday I will get a new battery. Thanks for the response. PS Have removed thread to make this smaller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071209/2613fdb9/attachment.html From skygram at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 15:39:16 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Sun Dec 9 15:39:34 2007 Subject: [G4] RE: Sawtooth sudden power failure! In-Reply-To: <66028D33-04D7-46B6-8793-D141557F4E21@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: I recently replaced my motherboard battery. I did this in an effort to see if I could get my monitor to work again. I felt that it might be one approach to troubleshooting a few subtle problems that I was beginning to encounter. One problem was my system couldn't be awakened from sleep unless I pushed the power button on the tower itself. Ultimately my monitor needed to be replaced. However my sleep problem is now back to normal. I couldn't remember if I had ever replaced my motherboard battery and so after seven years I felt that it couldn't hurt to replace it. What surprised me was how much the battery itself cost. It was about $25.00. Bill From richspk at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 16:12:38 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Sun Dec 9 16:12:46 2007 Subject: [G4] RE: Sawtooth sudden power failure! In-Reply-To: References: <66028D33-04D7-46B6-8793-D141557F4E21@wanadoo.es> Message-ID: <69ce86c30712091612q7da0899bm8e00b97767cfecd6@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 9, 2007 6:39 PM, Skygram wrote: > > What surprised me was how much the battery itself cost. It was about $25.00. Radio Shack has one for $10 (+ about $6 shipping): http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2726113 Also check out this link to compare prices: http://www.google.com/products?q=er3s&oe=utf-8&scoring=p I was surprised to not find any matches on pricegrabber.com. -- Rich From skygram at gmail.com Sun Dec 9 21:58:03 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Sun Dec 9 21:59:04 2007 Subject: [G4] RE: Sawtooth sudden power failure! In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30712091612q7da0899bm8e00b97767cfecd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Rich, Thanks for the links. They're useful. Bill From franciscoeugeniomalheiros at yahoo.se Wed Dec 12 18:35:54 2007 From: franciscoeugeniomalheiros at yahoo.se (Francisco) Date: Wed Dec 12 18:36:04 2007 Subject: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics, it works? Message-ID: <820620.39262.qm@web25902.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi there! I'm new on this world of macintosh, i bought a PowerMac G4 500MHz AGP Graphics recently, but i'm not having a good performance, so a friend offers to me a 800MHz (dual, i think) processor from a PowerMac G4 QuickSilver, someone knows if this processor runs at my PowerMac G4 without problems or crashes or special adaptations on motherboard? Thanks, Francisco Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071213/8e11f393/attachment.html From obgraph at hiwaay.net Wed Dec 12 19:05:11 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Wed Dec 12 19:05:27 2007 Subject: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics, it works? In-Reply-To: <820620.39262.qm@web25902.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <820620.39262.qm@web25902.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071212210511.062175.c6e43aa0@hiwaay.net> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:35:54 +0000 (GMT), Francisco wrote: > I'm new on this world of macintosh, i bought a PowerMac G4 500MHz > AGP Graphics recently, but i'm not having a good performance..... I can't answer your question about the processor, but I wonder what you mean by "not good performance". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From franciscoeugeniomalheiros at yahoo.se Wed Dec 12 19:59:57 2007 From: franciscoeugeniomalheiros at yahoo.se (Francisco) Date: Wed Dec 12 20:00:07 2007 Subject: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics, it works? In-Reply-To: <20071212210511.062175.c6e43aa0@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <979600.97901.qm@web25909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Exactly! Sorry, english is not my native language :) Thanks by your correction ;) Francisco --- O'Brien escreveu: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:35:54 +0000 (GMT), Francisco > wrote: > > I'm new on this world of macintosh, i bought a > PowerMac G4 500MHz > > AGP Graphics recently, but i'm not having a good > performance..... > > I can't answer your question about the processor, > but I wonder what you mean by "not good > performance". > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ From franciscoeugeniomalheiros at yahoo.se Wed Dec 12 20:07:45 2007 From: franciscoeugeniomalheiros at yahoo.se (Francisco) Date: Wed Dec 12 20:07:51 2007 Subject: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics, it works? In-Reply-To: <20071212210511.062175.c6e43aa0@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <703740.60737.qm@web25904.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Sorry about last mail, i didn't understood your message, but now, the right answer.. I'm using OS X Tiger, Not good performance = slow when playing youtube videos, or when i'm using MSN Messenger with 3 or 4 window of conversation, itunes goes slow too, slow to run java applications, slow to run thunderbird mail client, slow to view some webpages, like ebay.com My System: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 500 MHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed: 100 MHz Boot ROM Version: 3.2.4f1 Serial Number: XB0181WLHSG Sales Order Number: M7629LL/A Thanks --- O'Brien escreveu: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:35:54 +0000 (GMT), Francisco > wrote: > > I'm new on this world of macintosh, i bought a > PowerMac G4 500MHz > > AGP Graphics recently, but i'm not having a good > performance..... > > I can't answer your question about the processor, > but I wonder what you mean by "not good > performance". > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ From obgraph at hiwaay.net Wed Dec 12 20:08:11 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Wed Dec 12 20:08:19 2007 Subject: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics, it works? In-Reply-To: <979600.97901.qm@web25909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <979600.97901.qm@web25909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071212220811.972690.4d81614d@hiwaay.net> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:59:57 -0300 (ART), Francisco wrote: > Exactly! Sorry, english is not my native language :) > Thanks by your correction ;) Your English is good. I wasn't correcting it. I was asking what you meant about your Mac not performing well. What is it not doing well? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From franciscoeugeniomalheiros at yahoo.se Wed Dec 12 20:40:50 2007 From: franciscoeugeniomalheiros at yahoo.se (Francisco) Date: Wed Dec 12 20:40:58 2007 Subject: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics, it works? In-Reply-To: <20071212220811.972690.4d81614d@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <781975.68964.qm@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Wow! Sorry O'Brien... :) Sorry about last mail, i didn't understood your message, but now, the right answer.. I'm using OS X Tiger, What is not being good is: slow when playing youtube videos, or when i'm using MSN Messenger with 3 or 4 window of conversation, itunes goes slow too, slow to run small java applications (i'm programmer), slow to run thunderbird mail client, slow to view some webpages, like ebay.com My System: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 500 MHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB Memory: 1 GB Bus Speed: 100 MHz Boot ROM Version: 3.2.4f1 Serial Number: XB0181WLHSG Sales Order Number: M7629LL/A Thanks Francisco --- O'Brien escreveu: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:59:57 -0300 (ART), Francisco > wrote: > > Exactly! Sorry, english is not my native language > :) > > Thanks by your correction ;) > > Your English is good. I wasn't correcting it. I was > asking what you meant about your Mac not performing > well. What is it not doing well? > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ From obgraph at hiwaay.net Wed Dec 12 21:04:53 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Wed Dec 12 21:05:08 2007 Subject: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics, it works? In-Reply-To: <781975.68964.qm@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <781975.68964.qm@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071212230453.186491.aa213bd1@hiwaay.net> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:40:50 -0300 (ART), Francisco wrote: > I'm using OS X Tiger, > What is not being good is: slow when playing youtube > videos, or when i'm using MSN Messenger with 3 or 4 > window of conversation, itunes goes slow too, slow to > run small java applications (i'm programmer), slow to > run thunderbird mail > client, slow to view some webpages, like ebay.com I'm not sure, but it seems to me that iTunes and Thunderbird should be working OK on a 500mHz machine. YouTube could be slow, but the speed could also depend on the speed of your internet connection. I'm not being much help. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From g4 at salemoregon.com Wed Dec 12 22:07:42 2007 From: g4 at salemoregon.com (jonny) Date: Wed Dec 12 22:07:34 2007 Subject: [G4] ADC Adpater or ADC Graphics PCI? Message-ID: Hello List...helpful list...and Happy Holidays. Question: I want to use a 23" HD cinema monitor with a PPC 450 running systems 9.2 & 10.3 Should I look for an Apple ADC adapter to run the monitor... -or- Look for a PCI card that will drive it? And if so, which kind might be favorable? Thank you. jonny /// From richspk at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 04:05:01 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Dec 13 04:05:06 2007 Subject: [G4] ADC Adpater or ADC Graphics PCI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69ce86c30712130405h5a777375w5a9aa6b38ea1e0c3@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 13, 2007 1:07 AM, jonny wrote: > Hello List...helpful list...and Happy Holidays. > > Question: > > I want to use a 23" HD cinema monitor with a PPC 450 running systems 9.2 & 10.3 > > Should I look for an Apple ADC adapter to run the monitor... > > -or- > > Look for a PCI card that will drive it? And if so, which kind might > be favorable? If you've currently got an AGP video card, a PCI card would be a step backward. I'd use the ADC adapter. -- Rich From jonseward at mindspring.com Thu Dec 13 05:20:48 2007 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Thu Dec 13 05:20:58 2007 Subject: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGPGraphics, it works? Message-ID: <380-2200712413132048335@M2W023.mail2web.com> How much RAM is installed? Sounds exactly like too little RAM to support all the open apps. I always try to bring my Macs up close to their maximum RAM capacity. You can also use Activity Monitor to see how much CPU capacity is being by various applications in real time. Some applications become progressively bigger hogs the longer they are left open or the machine has been running. Quitting and/or rebooting can tamp that down. So can emptying caches and libraries - though be careful not to trash data you need. HTH.. Original Message: ----------------- From: O'Brien obgraph@hiwaay.net Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:04:53 -0600 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: Re: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGPGraphics, it works? On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:40:50 -0300 (ART), Francisco wrote: > I'm using OS X Tiger, > What is not being good is: slow when playing youtube > videos, or when i'm using MSN Messenger with 3 or 4 > window of conversation, itunes goes slow too, slow to > run small java applications (i'm programmer), slow to > run thunderbird mail > client, slow to view some webpages, like ebay.com I'm not sure, but it seems to me that iTunes and Thunderbird should be working OK on a 500mHz machine. YouTube could be slow, but the speed could also depend on the speed of your internet connection. I'm not being much help. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com ? What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From senseamp at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 06:05:17 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Thu Dec 13 06:05:23 2007 Subject: [G4] ADC Adpater or ADC Graphics PCI? In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30712130405h5a777375w5a9aa6b38ea1e0c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <91763.11699.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > If you've currently got an AGP video card, a PCI > card would be a step > backward. I'd use the ADC adapter. I'm confused about that also. If the AGP slot is faster, how come ATI make accelerated Mac video cards in PCI form? Surely there can't be THAT many "yikes" G4's still out there? And how come they don't make them use the 64bit wide PCI available? Anybody understand that? John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From richspk at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 06:47:56 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Dec 13 06:49:45 2007 Subject: [G4] ADC Adapter or ADC Graphics PCI? In-Reply-To: <91763.11699.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c83d97$26306140$37d816ac@cytyc.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4- > bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of John Niven > > I'm confused about that also. If the AGP slot is > faster, how come ATI make accelerated Mac video cards > in PCI form? Surely there can't be THAT many "yikes" > G4's still out there? And how come they don't make > them use the 64bit wide PCI available? > > Anybody understand that? They still make servers on the PC side that don't have AGP slots, because servers don't need fast graphics. They can take a PC card and make it a Mac card just by flashing different firmware onto it. I'm just guessing, but that may have something to do with it. -- Rich From peter at birrendesign.com Thu Dec 13 07:47:20 2007 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Thu Dec 13 07:47:30 2007 Subject: [G4] Annual reloading? In-Reply-To: <001b01c83d97$26306140$37d816ac@cytyc.com> References: <001b01c83d97$26306140$37d816ac@cytyc.com> Message-ID: Hi, all. When running OS7 to 9, I had an annual routine of rebuilding the OS, usually with a clean install. I've now had OSX.4(.8-.10) since January 07 and wonder if this routine is still necessary. Quark, Illustrator and Photoshop are all running fine, occasionally at the same time, and there have been only a few minor hiccups during the year. Thanks, - Peter -- G4-GE/2x450/1.25gbRAM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If what you have and use now works well together, don't mess with success... keith whaley From obgraph at hiwaay.net Thu Dec 13 14:03:25 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Thu Dec 13 14:03:42 2007 Subject: [G4] Annual reloading? In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c83d97$26306140$37d816ac@cytyc.com> Message-ID: <20071213160325.152626.0db9bf33@hiwaay.net> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:47:20 -0600, Peter Birren wrote: > When running OS7 to 9, I had an annual routine of rebuilding the > OS, usually with a clean install.... I've never heard of doing this with any Mac OS. Way back when pre-X, I used to "rebuild desktop" periodically. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From peter at birrendesign.com Thu Dec 13 14:18:36 2007 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Thu Dec 13 14:18:52 2007 Subject: [G4] Annual reloading? In-Reply-To: <20071213160325.152626.0db9bf33@hiwaay.net> References: <001b01c83d97$26306140$37d816ac@cytyc.com> <20071213160325.152626.0db9bf33@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <1D2505F9-8B0E-4E60-BEA6-60F5F367FDF8@birrendesign.com> Thanks, O'Brien. At 11 months and 29 days (approximately), my Macs all began acting up and slowing down, including the G4. A clean install always took care of the problem. Now there's no "rebuild desktop" and TechTool takes care of regularly fixing permissions. Ain't there nuthin' I gotta futz with any more? Thanks, - Peter On Dec 13, 2007, at 4:03 PM, O'Brien wrote: >> When running OS7 to 9, I had an annual routine of rebuilding the >> OS, usually with a clean install.... > > I've never heard of doing this with any Mac OS. Way back when pre- > X, I used to "rebuild desktop" periodically. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Happy Holidays! jonny From knaffc at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 13 14:31:53 2007 From: knaffc at bellsouth.net (Calvin Knaff) Date: Thu Dec 13 14:32:05 2007 Subject: [G4] Annual reloading? In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c83d97$26306140$37d816ac@cytyc.com> <20071213160325.152626.0db9bf33@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <265AE9B7-EC74-4300-A60E-661F7BC112CB@bellsouth.net> On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:19 PM, jonny wrote: > Happy Holidays! Merry Christmas to you too! Calvin +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some applications become progressively bigger hogs the longer they are left open or the machine has been running. Quitting and/or rebooting can tamp that down. So can emptying caches and libraries - though be careful not to trash data you need. HTH.. Original Message: ----------------- From: O'Brien obgraph@hiwaay.net Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:04:53 -0600 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: Re: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGPGraphics, it works? On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:40:50 -0300 (ART), Francisco wrote: > I'm using OS X Tiger, > What is not being good is: slow when playing youtube > videos, or when i'm using MSN Messenger with 3 or 4 > window of conversation, itunes goes slow too, slow to > run small java applications (i'm programmer), slow to > run thunderbird mail > client, slow to view some webpages, like ebay.com I'm not sure, but it seems to me that iTunes and Thunderbird should be working OK on a 500mHz machine. YouTube could be slow, but the speed could also depend on the speed of your internet connection. I'm not being much help. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com ? What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 --------------------------------- Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071214/49d855be/attachment-0001.html From g4-lisz at tonarchiv.ch Sun Dec 16 10:43:51 2007 From: g4-lisz at tonarchiv.ch (Till Wimmer) Date: Sun Dec 16 10:44:06 2007 Subject: [G4] [Help] PowerMac G4 Quicksilver 800MHz on PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics, it works? In-Reply-To: <820620.39262.qm@web25902.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <820620.39262.qm@web25902.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <476571E7.3050901@tonarchiv.ch> Hi Francisco, your 800MHz dual processor has a L3 cache on board which is not enabled by default in older G4 machines. You may try my extension here: http://www.substring.ch/index.php/content/c57/ Good luck, Till Francisco wrote: > Hi there! > I'm new on this world of macintosh, i bought a PowerMac G4 500MHz AGP > Graphics recently, but i'm not having a good performance, so a friend > offers to me a 800MHz (dual, i think) processor from a PowerMac G4 > QuickSilver, someone knows if this processor runs at my PowerMac G4 > without problems or crashes or special adaptations on motherboard? > > Thanks, > > Francisco > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail > , > o ?nico sem limite de espa?o para armazenamento! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 08:28:41 2007 From: dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com (c m) Date: Mon Dec 17 08:28:51 2007 Subject: [G4] iTunes problems Message-ID: <52359.83751.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have been having some vexing problems with iTunes of late. I am running a G4 sawtooth w/ OS X 10.4.11 and the latest version of iTunes. the problem is sometimes i import an album, iTunes separate the songs into to albums. each with it own album cover. how do i fix this? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From nib at southslope.net Mon Dec 17 09:23:41 2007 From: nib at southslope.net (John Blumer) Date: Mon Dec 17 09:24:12 2007 Subject: [G4] iTunes problems In-Reply-To: <52359.83751.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <52359.83751.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4766B09D.1090708@southslope.net> c m wrote: > I have been having some vexing problems with iTunes of > late. > > I am running a G4 sawtooth w/ OS X 10.4.11 and the > latest version of iTunes. > > the problem is sometimes i import an album, iTunes > separate the songs into to albums. each with it own > album cover. how do i fix this? > I've had the same problem. At times, it will break down an album into multiple folders, making it very annoying to locate the imported album... Maybe this is because this album is actually composed of songs from several different album releases? You can highlight the song in iTunes and then from the File menu choose "Show in Finder", to show you the folder where each of the songs is actually located. I don't know how to fix this, for sure, to make all the songs belong to one folder. Possibly, retagging all of the songs with Musorg or a similar program might work, but I haven't spent the time to try it... > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From gifutiger at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 10:20:19 2007 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon