From applguy at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 23:02:39 2007 From: applguy at gmail.com (Todd Naber) Date: Thu Feb 1 23:02:44 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 DA 533 question Message-ID: <6df518f10702012302j427f3273p6d4580de307b58ff@mail.gmail.com> Hello Fellow PowerMac G4 owners, I'm using a PowerMac G4 Digital Audio 533 and was wondering if anyone knew if there ever was a add-on drive/card that could be inserted into the front of my G4 (instead of the zip module) that allowed for media cards? I remember something like this was available/rare, but can't seem to find any info. Any help would be great, applguy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070201/f5fff5d0/attachment.html From rich at richardklein.org Fri Feb 2 03:41:34 2007 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Fri Feb 2 03:41:43 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 DA 533 question In-Reply-To: <6df518f10702012302j427f3273p6d4580de307b58ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <6df518f10702012302j427f3273p6d4580de307b58ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C3236E.7060704@richardklein.org> Todd Naber wrote: > Hello Fellow PowerMac G4 owners, > I'm using a PowerMac G4 Digital Audio 533 and was wondering if anyone > knew if there ever was a add-on drive/card that could be inserted into > the front of my G4 (instead of the zip module) that allowed for media > cards? I remember something like this was available/rare, but can't seem > to find any info. Any help would be great, > applguy I saw pictures of a G4 with a media card reader as you describe in an eBay auction a few months ago, but I don't know the details. I think it was a standard PC card reader, though, to fit a 5 1/4" drive bay. You'd need one of the PC card reader with a cable that's routed out back through the PCI cover plates to the rear USB ports, though. A lot of the internal PC card readers plug into pins on the motherboard, and I don't think you'd be able to use one of those. -- Rich From rsmykla at verizon.net Fri Feb 2 03:57:07 2007 From: rsmykla at verizon.net (Rick Smykla) Date: Fri Feb 2 03:57:40 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 DA 533 question In-Reply-To: <6df518f10702012302j427f3273p6d4580de307b58ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <6df518f10702012302j427f3273p6d4580de307b58ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "Sweet Multiport Add the convenience of ports at your fingertips. The Sweet Multiport installs in the second bay of your G3 or G4." On Feb 2, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Todd Naber wrote: > Hello Fellow PowerMac G4 owners, > I'm using a PowerMac G4 Digital Audio 533 and was wondering if > anyone knew if there ever was a add-on drive/card that could be > inserted into the front of my G4 (instead of the zip module) that > allowed for media cards? I remember something like this was > available/rare, but can't seem to find any info. Any help would be > great, > applguy From nagable at comcast.net Fri Feb 2 07:56:30 2007 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Fri Feb 2 07:56:34 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 DA 533 question Message-ID: <020220071556.12347.45C35F2E000B27C30000303B22007614380A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Excellent! Check out all the video plugins and other unusual Mac stuff! Nate -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Rick Smykla > "Sweet Multiport > Add the convenience of ports at your fingertips. The Sweet Multiport > installs in the second bay of your G3 or G4." > > > > On Feb 2, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Todd Naber wrote: > > > Hello Fellow PowerMac G4 owners, > > I'm using a PowerMac G4 Digital Audio 533 and was wondering if > > anyone knew if there ever was a add-on drive/card that could be > > inserted into the front of my G4 (instead of the zip module) that > > allowed for media cards? I remember something like this was > > available/rare, but can't seem to find any info. Any help would be > > great, > > applguy > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From krispy_39 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 2 15:38:56 2007 From: krispy_39 at yahoo.com (Chris) Date: Fri Feb 2 15:39:01 2007 Subject: [G4] this is probalby a stupid question,but... Message-ID: <20070202233857.41949.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello I am having a debate with my setp son who is a pc guy. He says I can run my adobe software ( illustrator 9, photoshop6, etc. on the tiger operating system. I say I need to have 9 installed and that they will run on version 9. Who is correct? cplichtenstein ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070202/60f11967/attachment.html From aaron at macmanifest.com Fri Feb 2 15:43:17 2007 From: aaron at macmanifest.com (Aaron Willems) Date: Fri Feb 2 15:43:45 2007 Subject: [G4] this is probalby a stupid question,but... In-Reply-To: <20070202233857.41949.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070202233857.41949.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: He's right. You need to have Mac OS 9 (Classic) installed on your OS X computer in order to run older Mac OS 9 apps. Aaron Willems http://www.macmanifest.com aaron@macmanifest.com "Spreading the Good Word about today's Macintosh" On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Chris wrote: > Hello I am having a debate with my setp son who is a pc guy. He > says I can run my adobe software ( illustrator 9, photoshop6, etc. > on the tiger operating system. I say I need to have 9 installed and > that they will run on version 9. Who is correct? > > cplichtenstein > > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070202/03268cad/attachment-0001.html From rmkriss at sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 2 15:59:44 2007 From: rmkriss at sbcglobal.net (Richard Kriss) Date: Fri Feb 2 15:59:53 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 will not boot up after addung a 128 HD In-Reply-To: <20070202234351.82FFA86D09F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:52:32 -0500 > From: Richard Klein > Subject: Re: [G4] G4 will not boot up after addung a 128 HD > > Try the RAM in different slots, too. Sometimes the slots themselves can > stop working right. The main thing is to experiment with only one stick > of RAM at a time to narrow things down. I may have missed something in the first posting; however, I had the same problem the first time I changed HDs in my G4 AGP 1GHz. The fix was pretty easy. I did not have the ribbon cable seated. Just unplugged it and put it back in again. If something is not really connected, it will not start. Try reseating the cables.... the price is right and it cannot hurt. dick From briang113 at pacbell.net Fri Feb 2 16:11:09 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Fri Feb 2 16:11:19 2007 Subject: [G4] this is probalby a stupid question,but... In-Reply-To: <20070202233857.41949.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070202233857.41949.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1BB212A0-5F44-4B0A-963A-F3E815916693@pacbell.net> Well, You both are. There are versions of each software for each OS. Which one do you have. On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Chris wrote: > Hello I am having a debate with my setp son who is a pc guy. He > says I can run my adobe software ( illustrator 9, photoshop6, etc. > on the tiger operating system. I say I need to have 9 installed and > that they will run on version 9. Who is correct? > > cplichtenstein > > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From obgraph at hiwaay.net Fri Feb 2 16:19:56 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Fri Feb 2 16:20:10 2007 Subject: [G4] this is probalby a stupid question,but... In-Reply-To: <20070202233857.41949.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070202233857.41949.qmail@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070202181956.569626.6a0125f6@hiwaay.net> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:38:56 -0800 (PST), Chris wrote: > Hello I am having a debate with my setp son who is a pc guy. He > says I can run my adobe software ( illustrator 9, photoshop6, etc. > on the tiger operating system. I say I need to have 9 installed and > that they will run on version 9. Who is correct? I don't know about AI9, but PS6 would require OS9. PS7 will run with OSX. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From baltwo at san.rr.com Fri Feb 2 18:45:02 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Fri Feb 2 18:45:16 2007 Subject: [G4] this is probalby a stupid question,but... In-Reply-To: <20070202234351.D926F86D0A1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070202234351.D926F86D0A1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 02/02/07, Aaron Willems wrote: > > He's right. You need to have Mac OS 9 (Classic) installed on your OS > X computer in order to run older Mac OS 9 apps. > > On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Chris wrote: > >> Hello I am having a debate with my setp son who is a pc guy. He >> says I can run my adobe software ( illustrator 9, photoshop6, etc. >> on the tiger operating system. I say I need to have 9 installed and >> that they will run on version 9. Who is correct? If Illustrator 9, Photoshop 6, etc. are OS 9 apps, then Chris needs to boot into OS 9 to install them, but afterwards, they should run in both OS 9 and OS X (via Classic). From emaxxx4 at warpmail.net Fri Feb 2 22:01:23 2007 From: emaxxx4 at warpmail.net (Eric Buczynski) Date: Fri Feb 2 22:01:34 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 DA 533 question In-Reply-To: <20070202234351.82FFA86D09F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070202234351.82FFA86D09F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <337E7B4D-6520-4B85-A290-E30935538CBB@warpmail.net> Regarding the back ports, this is not always necessary. I have a Sonnet 5-port USB 2.0 card installed on my G4 Digital Audio. Four of the ports are on the back plate whereas the fifth USB port is located on the end of the card inside. So, this last port can be used to accommodate a USB internal light, or in this case a card reader, among other things. Eric Buczynski On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:43 PM, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > Todd Naber wrote: >> Hello Fellow PowerMac G4 owners, >> I'm using a PowerMac G4 Digital Audio 533 and was wondering if anyone >> knew if there ever was a add-on drive/card that could be inserted >> into >> the front of my G4 (instead of the zip module) that allowed for media >> cards? I remember something like this was available/rare, but >> can't seem >> to find any info. Any help would be great, >> applguy > > I saw pictures of a G4 with a media card reader as you describe in an > eBay auction a few months ago, but I don't know the details. I > think it > was a standard PC card reader, though, to fit a 5 1/4" drive bay. > You'd > need one of the PC card reader with a cable that's routed out back > through the PCI cover plates to the rear USB ports, though. A lot of > the internal PC card readers plug into pins on the motherboard, and I > don't think you'd be able to use one of those. > > -- > Rich From jonseward at mindspring.com Sat Feb 3 05:12:14 2007 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Sat Feb 3 05:12:24 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 will not boot up after addung a 128 HD Message-ID: <380-22007263131214803@M2W009.mail2web.com> To test RAM, download 'memtest' from versiontracker and run it. It will readily ID malfunctioning RAM or RAM that is out of spec. Some Macs are very picky about RAM psecs... Does the computer work properly when you remove the new part(s)? If so, that indicates that the fault is with the new equipment. HTH, jon Original Message: ----------------- From: Richard Kriss rmkriss@sbcglobal.net Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:59:44 -0600 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: Re: [G4] G4 will not boot up after addung a 128 HD > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:52:32 -0500 > From: Richard Klein > Subject: Re: [G4] G4 will not boot up after addung a 128 HD > > Try the RAM in different slots, too. Sometimes the slots themselves can > stop working right. The main thing is to experiment with only one stick > of RAM at a time to narrow things down. I may have missed something in the first posting; however, I had the same problem the first time I changed HDs in my G4 AGP 1GHz. The fix was pretty easy. I did not have the ribbon cable seated. Just unplugged it and put it back in again. If something is not really connected, it will not start. Try reseating the cables.... the price is right and it cannot hurt. dick -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com ? Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft? Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From rich at richardklein.org Sat Feb 3 05:40:35 2007 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Sat Feb 3 05:40:48 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 DA 533 question In-Reply-To: <337E7B4D-6520-4B85-A290-E30935538CBB@warpmail.net> References: <20070202234351.82FFA86D09F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <337E7B4D-6520-4B85-A290-E30935538CBB@warpmail.net> Message-ID: <45C490D3.6020302@richardklein.org> Eric Buczynski wrote: > > On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:43 PM, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > wrote: > >> Todd Naber wrote: >>> Hello Fellow PowerMac G4 owners, >>> I'm using a PowerMac G4 Digital Audio 533 and was wondering if anyone >>> knew if there ever was a add-on drive/card that could be inserted into >>> the front of my G4 (instead of the zip module) that allowed for media >>> cards? I remember something like this was available/rare, but can't seem >>> to find any info. Any help would be great, >>> applguy >> >> I saw pictures of a G4 with a media card reader as you describe in an >> eBay auction a few months ago, but I don't know the details. I think it >> was a standard PC card reader, though, to fit a 5 1/4" drive bay. You'd >> need one of the PC card reader with a cable that's routed out back >> through the PCI cover plates to the rear USB ports, though. A lot of >> the internal PC card readers plug into pins on the motherboard, and I >> don't think you'd be able to use one of those. > > Regarding the back ports, this is not always necessary. I have a Sonnet > 5-port USB 2.0 card installed on my G4 Digital Audio. Four of the ports > are on the back plate whereas the fifth USB port is located on the end > of the card inside. So, this last port can be used to accommodate a USB > internal light, or in this case a card reader, among other things. > > Eric Buczynski That's good to know, Eric. PC card readers that depend on pins on the motherboard still won't work with that card, though. The USB pins on many PC motherboards aren't arranged like a standard USB port. I suppose you could splice a USB connector onto those, though... -- Rich From imago at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 3 09:14:44 2007 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Sat Feb 3 09:14:57 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: <20070202234351.82FFA86D09F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> Well, my problems are fixed! First of all, when I upgraded my system to 9.2.1 from 9.1, my DVD drive tray stayed open when I hit the eject key. I then updated it to 9.2.2. (I really think I must have had some kind of extension conflict is all). Then I opened my computer and installed the Sonnet card, and my new 250gig drive. I partitioned it and installed both 9.2.2 and 10.2, (which I had a disk for that I purchased way back but was too chicken to install.) All went smoothly, I downloaded and updated to 10.2.8, and that's where I am now. X is different, I'm still getting used to it, but I feel like a real dweeb for not having made the jump long ago. Now, when I get the $$ and move up again, should I go to 10.3, or 10.4? Remember that I have a dual G4, gig ethernet computer. I had heard that 10.4 can be kind of slow on older computers? And I also have a browser question. 10.2 came with IE 5.0.2, and Safari 1.0.3. I'm using Safari, and it seems pretty good. Are there any other browsers people like? I was so limited in my choices before moving to 10 that I don't know what's out there. margaret From adamss99 at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 3 09:22:45 2007 From: adamss99 at bellsouth.net (Steve Adams) Date: Sat Feb 3 09:23:04 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> References: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: I am running a dual G4 ethernet with 10.4 installed. No problems with it being slow, it seems to be as fast as 10.2. I don't believe you need to buy 10.3, you can jump directly to 10.4 Steve Adams On Feb 3, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > Well, my problems are fixed! > First of all, when I upgraded my system to 9.2.1 from 9.1, > my DVD drive tray stayed open when I hit the eject key. > I then updated it to 9.2.2. (I really think I must have had some > kind of extension conflict is all). > > Then I opened my computer and installed the Sonnet card, > and my new 250gig drive. I partitioned it and installed both > 9.2.2 and 10.2, (which I had a disk for that I purchased way back > but was too chicken to install.) All went smoothly, I downloaded > and updated to 10.2.8, and that's where I am now. X is different, I'm > still getting used to it, but I feel like a real dweeb for not > having made > the jump long ago. > > Now, when I get the $$ and move up again, should I go to 10.3, > or 10.4? Remember that I have a dual G4, gig ethernet computer. > I had heard that 10.4 can be kind of slow on older computers? > > And I also have a browser question. 10.2 came with IE 5.0.2, and > Safari 1.0.3. I'm using Safari, and it seems pretty good. Are there > any other browsers people like? I was so limited in my choices before > moving to 10 that I don't know what's out there. > > margaret > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From biffy_clyro at hotmail.com Sat Feb 3 11:16:39 2007 From: biffy_clyro at hotmail.com (Ashton Lawrence) Date: Sat Feb 3 11:16:48 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Powermac still wont startup Message-ID: Okay to confirm, i have started a discussion on this before and didn't answer a lot of questions so i will clarify everything now and hope someone can give me a cheap easy way to solve this problem. Right this is the Mac i bought second hand from Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&item=150023013191&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 Pretty much no question about it, I got scammed. All information on the ebay article is true, except the statement about the Mac working. YEs it does start up, but it doesn't get any further. I reach the screen where there's nothing but a flashing question mark. I've tried to find some help on apples site, but still can't get it working. As the Ebay article says, the specs are: - G4 - 450MHz- 40GB Hard Drive- 256MB Ram- DVD One of the quesiton i recieved last time was "is the hard drive actually present". I can confirm it is. I'm guessing the issues surrounds the question "Is an OS installed?" Is there any way i can check this? I read on apples site that holding down the option(?) key loads up a screen where you can choose the start up volume or something. I did this but see only circular arrow thing and left arrow. The left arrow does nothing and clicking the circular arrow thing leads to the comupter displaying a load sign instead of mouse pointer then just doing nothing. Any ideas? P.S. i bought seperately a G4 keyboard and mouse so that is not the issue. PPS. Does anyone have a spare OS9 start up / recovery disk or could they make me a copy of or just...i don't know lend or give me ANY kinds of disk that will make this damned Mac work. I only bought it as a secondary computer for music recording with a Digi 001 interfeace damnit! _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070203/134f327c/attachment-0001.html From harry at gifutiger.com Sat Feb 3 13:03:01 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sat Feb 3 13:03:12 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> References: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <17b2b7107e72dfef3320de8fa075baf0@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) I have a G4 Sawtooth 400 which I got in 2001, with 1.75 GB memory running 10.3.9. I have chosen to use Camino, a browser that almost like Safari but faster. ---------------------------------------------------- On Feb 3, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > And I also have a browser question. 10.2 came with IE 5.0.2, and > Safari 1.0.3. I'm using Safari, and it seems pretty good. Are there > any other browsers people like? I was so limited in my choices before > moving to 10 that I don't know what's out there. > > margaret > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From sng at cox.net Sat Feb 3 13:47:53 2007 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Sat Feb 3 13:48:22 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Powermac still wont startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This means that there is nothing that is recognized as a blessed startup system, either on a CD or DVD or on a hard drive. There may be a hard drive, but whatever might be on the drive is likely to be corrupted or not properly blessed. --Steve At 7:16 PM +0000 2/3/07, Ashton Lawrence wrote: >I read on apples site that holding down the option(?) key loads up a >screen where you can choose the start up volume or something. I did >this but see only circular arrow thing and left arrow. The left >arrow does nothing and clicking the circular arrow thing leads to >the comupter displaying a load sign instead of mouse pointer then >just doing nothing. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070203/86a1bcd1/attachment.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Sat Feb 3 14:28:46 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sat Feb 3 14:32:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: <20070203191654.5622F8767CC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070203191654.5622F8767CC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 02/03/07, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > > Well, my problems are fixed! > First of all, when I upgraded my system to 9.2.1 from 9.1, > my DVD drive tray stayed open when I hit the eject key. > I then updated it to 9.2.2. (I really think I must have had some > kind of extension conflict is all). > > Then I opened my computer and installed the Sonnet card, > and my new 250gig drive. I partitioned it and installed both > 9.2.2 and 10.2, (which I had a disk for that I purchased way back > but was too chicken to install.) All went smoothly, I downloaded > and updated to 10.2.8, and that's where I am now. X is different, I'm > still getting used to it, but I feel like a real dweeb for not having > made > the jump long ago. > > Now, when I get the $$ and move up again, should I go to 10.3, > or 10.4? Remember that I have a dual G4, gig ethernet computer. > I had heard that 10.4 can be kind of slow on older computers? > > And I also have a browser question. 10.2 came with IE 5.0.2, and > Safari 1.0.3. I'm using Safari, and it seems pretty good. Are there > any other browsers people like? I was so limited in my choices before > moving to 10 that I don't know what's out there. You can go directly to Tiger (or Leopard, if you don't have $$-it's supposed to ship in Spring 07). I'm running the same machine and Tiger's much faster/better than Jaguar or Panther. BTW, I suggest getting an external FWHD, using something like Carbon Copy Cloner, SuperDuper!, etc., and making a bootable clone of your Jaguar and OS 9 installations, so that when you upgrade and run into any problems, you can revert back to your current setup. From ronsteinke at mac.com Sat Feb 3 14:35:52 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sat Feb 3 14:33:38 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Powermac still wont startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F2CA0A2-7402-4256-8C92-203DD1836A3B@mac.com> On Feb 3, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Ashton Lawrence wrote: > YEs it does start up, but it doesn't get any further. I reach the > screen where there's nothing but a flashing question mark. > I've tried to find some help on apples site, but still can't get it > working. The flashing question mark indicates that there is NO SYSTEM installed on your hard drive. You need to install a valid operating system in order to proceed any further than you have gotten so far. A good bet is to try searching eBay for a Mac OS installation CD (of whatever version you want to install) and buy it. Another good source would be a local Mac User Group if there is one in your area. When you get the installation CD, start your Mac and open the CD drive tray, insert the CD, close the tray, and then wait for the Mac to recognize the valid OS on the CD and boot. After the Mac finishes booting, you will see an icon that says something like "Install". Double-click that icon and follow the instructions on screen to install a valid OS on your Mac. I would recommend using the drive utility on the CD to initialize the drive before installing the OS if you are going to use OS-9. It will be in a folder on the CD. If you are going to use OS-X, it will give you an opportunity to erase the drive before installing the OS. Welcome to the world of Macintosh. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070203/981fbadc/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Sat Feb 3 14:44:42 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Sat Feb 3 14:44:52 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Powermac still wont startup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <148227.59083.qm@web51111.mail.yahoo.com> Ashton, "Pretty much no question about it, I got scammed." I disagree, I notice the auction makes NO reference to an operating system. I do get peaved when people confuse hardware and software. Did you expect it to work without an OS? Did you plan on buying one? If you want to use the G4 with a Digi 001 interface, what Pro Tools s/w were you planning on using? Do you know what OS is supported by that s/w and h/w? It's not straightforward - you have to do some research. Check out the Digidesign website then get hold of the latest OS installer that is supported. If you want plug-and-play then lay down the cash for a modern turnkey system, otherwise you have to educate yourself, then you can "do it the cheap" :-) John --- Ashton Lawrence wrote: > > Okay to confirm, i have started a discussion on this > before and didn't answer a lot of questions so i > will clarify everything now and hope someone can > give me a cheap easy way to solve this problem. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com Sat Feb 3 16:37:37 2007 From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (Richard Northouse) Date: Sat Feb 3 16:37:46 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 DA 533 question In-Reply-To: <337E7B4D-6520-4B85-A290-E30935538CBB@warpmail.net> Message-ID: <200702040037.l140bbtL011194@ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com> Todd, I purchased a card reader like you are discussing from either Tigerdirect.com or newegg.com. Not very expensive $15 range. Rich > Todd Naber wrote: >> Hello Fellow PowerMac G4 owners, >> I'm using a PowerMac G4 Digital Audio 533 and was wondering if anyone >> knew if there ever was a add-on drive/card that could be inserted >> into >> the front of my G4 (instead of the zip module) that allowed for media >> cards? I remember something like this was available/rare, but >> can't seem >> to find any info. Any help would be great, >> applguy > > I saw pictures of a G4 with a media card reader as you describe in an > eBay auction a few months ago, but I don't know the details. I > think it > was a standard PC card reader, though, to fit a 5 1/4" drive bay. > You'd > need one of the PC card reader with a cable that's routed out back > through the PCI cover plates to the rear USB ports, though. A lot of > the internal PC card readers plug into pins on the motherboard, and I > don't think you'd be able to use one of those. > > -- > Rich _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.22/666 - Release Date: 2/3/2007 From jimash at optonline.net Sat Feb 3 17:18:33 2007 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Sat Feb 3 17:18:54 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 DA 533 question In-Reply-To: <200702040037.l140bbtL011194@ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com> References: <200702040037.l140bbtL011194@ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2007, at 7:37 PM, Richard Northouse wrote: > Todd, > > I purchased a card reader like you are discussing from either > Tigerdirect.com or newegg.com. Not very expensive $15 range. > > Rich > > This came up the other day. I looked at it. It's from Gee Three. It's awful cute. $30.00. From brettgeorge at comcast.net Sat Feb 3 23:00:07 2007 From: brettgeorge at comcast.net (Brett George) Date: Sat Feb 3 23:00:25 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: <17b2b7107e72dfef3320de8fa075baf0@gifutiger.com> References: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> <17b2b7107e72dfef3320de8fa075baf0@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: <45C58477.4010605@comcast.net> I like Safari as well but have been using firefox for several months now and really like it. The one problem I have with both browsers is that they seem to both have memory leaks. After a few hours of being open and browsing, Firefox will end up using ALL available memory. I just checked it and it's using 585MB of real memory and 1.05GB of virtual memory! I've been trying to find out why this happens and if there is a fix for some time now but nobody seems to want to respond! Other than that rather big problem, I love Firefox! brett Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > I have a G4 Sawtooth 400 which I got in 2001, with 1.75 GB memory > running 10.3.9. > I have chosen to use Camino, a browser that almost like Safari but > faster. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On Feb 3, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > >> And I also have a browser question. 10.2 came with IE 5.0.2, and >> Safari 1.0.3. I'm using Safari, and it seems pretty good. Are there >> any other browsers people like? I was so limited in my choices before >> moving to 10 that I don't know what's out there. >> >> margaret >> _______________________________________________ > > > Cheers, /\*_*/\ > > Harry (*^_^*) > * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of > progress? Congress! > Men's restroom House of Representatives, > Washington, DC > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun Feb 4 00:50:01 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun Feb 4 00:50:12 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: <45C58477.4010605@comcast.net> References: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> <17b2b7107e72dfef3320de8fa075baf0@gifutiger.com> <45C58477.4010605@comcast.net> Message-ID: <45C59E39.5010804@dslextreme.com> Brett George wrote: > I like Safari as well but have been using firefox for several months now > and really like it. The one problem I have with both browsers is that > they seem to both have memory leaks. After a few hours of being open and > browsing, Firefox will end up using ALL available memory. I just checked > it and it's using 585MB of real memory and 1.05GB of virtual memory! > I've been trying to find out why this happens and if there is a fix for > some time now but nobody seems to want to respond! > Other than that rather big problem, I love Firefox! > > brett Morning, Brett... It depends on how you work, of course, but if possible you might schedule a save session every hour or so, to shut Safari down, let it close up open windows, etc. and after 30 seconds or so, open it again, see it it's down to a manageable size again. I'm not a memory expert, especially on Safari, but just generally, I've found some programs are not efficient as tney could be, and require periodic turning off and back on again. Good luck, keith whaley From brettgeorge at comcast.net Sun Feb 4 01:05:38 2007 From: brettgeorge at comcast.net (Brett George) Date: Sun Feb 4 01:05:57 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: <45C59E39.5010804@dslextreme.com> References: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> <17b2b7107e72dfef3320de8fa075baf0@gifutiger.com> <45C58477.4010605@comcast.net> <45C59E39.5010804@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <45C5A1E2.1020205@comcast.net> Yes, that's what I do. I also do periodic maintenance on the entire OS (10.4.8). But that's not a fix. It's 'making do' and it shouldn't be that way. This has been a KNOWN problem with Safari and firefox ever since they came out. It's been more than long enough for a fix to have been found IF the programmers cared to. I think that they think it's a minor problem and would rather devote their time to making cool stuff instead of some boring code fix! Kind of harsh I know, but for crying out loud! How many years does it take to fix some code? It's not like this hasn't happened before. Other software have experienced this 'memory leak' problem and fixed it. Why can't these coders do it? Okay. I'm climbing down off my soapbox and stopping my rant. You can send the boys with the white jackets away now! brett keith_w wrote: > Brett George wrote: >> I like Safari as well but have been using firefox for several months >> now and really like it. The one problem I have with both browsers is >> that they seem to both have memory leaks. After a few hours of being >> open and browsing, Firefox will end up using ALL available memory. I >> just checked it and it's using 585MB of real memory and 1.05GB of >> virtual memory! >> I've been trying to find out why this happens and if there is a fix >> for some time now but nobody seems to want to respond! >> Other than that rather big problem, I love Firefox! >> >> brett > > Morning, Brett... > > It depends on how you work, of course, but if possible you might > schedule a save session every hour or so, to shut Safari down, let it > close up open windows, etc. and after 30 seconds or so, open it again, > see it it's down to a manageable size again. > > I'm not a memory expert, especially on Safari, but just generally, > I've found some programs are not efficient as tney could be, and > require periodic turning off and back on again. > > Good luck, > > keith whaley > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun Feb 4 02:14:34 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun Feb 4 02:14:37 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: <45C5A1E2.1020205@comcast.net> References: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> <17b2b7107e72dfef3320de8fa075baf0@gifutiger.com> <45C58477.4010605@comcast.net> <45C59E39.5010804@dslextreme.com> <45C5A1E2.1020205@comcast.net> Message-ID: <45C5B20A.5060208@dslextreme.com> Brett George wrote: > Yes, that's what I do. I also do periodic maintenance on the entire OS > (10.4.8). But that's not a fix. It's 'making do' and it shouldn't be > that way. This has been a KNOWN problem with Safari and firefox ever > since they came out. It's been more than long enough for a fix to have > been found IF the programmers cared to. I think that they think it's a > minor problem and would rather devote their time to making cool stuff > instead of some boring code fix! I agree with you all the way. I'd hope some decision-maker would see to fixing memory leaks. That sort of thing cripples an otherwise fine program, for a lot of people. Cross your fingers that someone with a little clout reads this list, and will assign a little priority to that problem. keith whaley From wrdptrsn at gmail.com Sun Feb 4 03:24:06 2007 From: wrdptrsn at gmail.com (wrdptrsn) Date: Sun Feb 4 03:24:16 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers Message-ID: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> The best browser that I've ever used, and still use is Opera. I run the latest version (9.1) with Panther and Tiger. It less than 30 MB's in size (app only) and has a mail app as well. I keep it open for days on end, and only restart it to clear the cache. I find it to be very fast even with 10 tabs open. I have tried Firefox but found it to be bloatware, like Safari. I have 896 MB's of memory. Just my 2 cents -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070204/8c90132d/attachment.html From sng at cox.net Sun Feb 4 06:13:26 2007 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Sun Feb 4 06:13:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: <45C5A1E2.1020205@comcast.net> References: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> <17b2b7107e72dfef3320de8fa075baf0@gifutiger.com> <45C58477.4010605@comcast.net> <45C59E39.5010804@dslextreme.com> <45C5A1E2.1020205@comcast.net> Message-ID: I also like Opera a lot. I do not recall having the same problem with Opera that I have with Safari or Firefox. On the other hand, Opera does not handle all the video types that Firefox or Safari do. --Steve At 1:05 AM -0800 2/4/07, Brett George wrote: >This has been a KNOWN problem with Safari and firefox ever since they came out. It's been more than long enough for a fix to have been found IF the programmers cared to From brettgeorge at comcast.net Sun Feb 4 07:14:25 2007 From: brettgeorge at comcast.net (Brett George) Date: Sun Feb 4 07:14:42 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> I've heard about Opera but never tested it. I guess I have to try it out now. brett wrdptrsn wrote: > The best browser that I've ever used, and still use is Opera. > I run the latest version (9.1) with Panther and Tiger. > It less than 30 MB's in size (app only) and has a mail app as well. > I keep it open for days on end, and only restart it to clear the cache. > I find it to be very fast even with 10 tabs open. > I have tried Firefox but found it to be bloatware, like Safari. > I have 896 MB's of memory. > > Just my 2 cents > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun Feb 4 07:42:18 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun Feb 4 07:42:23 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> References: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> Brett George wrote: > I've heard about Opera but never tested it. I guess I have to try it out > now. > > brett Since I got SeaMonkey, I don't feel the need to switch, but all I recall is, I opened it once, looked most of the features over, and thought it was "Close...but no cigar." I'll stick with SeaMonkey. I've no idea how large it is, but it doesn't seem to load the system down any. Wait, I just looked it up, and the download is 23 MB. > wrdptrsn wrote: >> The best browser that I've ever used, and still use is Opera. >> I run the latest version (9.1) with Panther and Tiger. >> It less than 30 MB's in size (app only) and has a mail app as well. >> I keep it open for days on end, and only restart it to clear the cache. >> I find it to be very fast even with 10 tabs open. >> I have tried Firefox but found it to be bloatware, like Safari. >> I have 896 MB's of memory. How do you get to 7/8ths of a full Gig? 896 MB is an odd number, in my mind. Just a curiosity! keith whaley From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 4 08:31:49 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Sun Feb 4 08:32:00 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20070204163149.97702.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Brett While your checking out different browsers - you ought to try "Camino" 1.0.3 ! It's basically ?Mozilla? powered (i.e. Firefox) with Mac styling! The Camino Project has worked to create a browser that is as functional and elegant as the computers it runs on. The Camino web browser is powerful, secure, and ready to meet the needs of all users while remaining simple and elegant in its design. Plus they have just released a new Mail Client to go with ?Camino? called ?Correo? ?Correo?, is a new open-source mail client for Mac OS X. Correo blends technology from two popular Mozilla projects, Camino and Thunderbird, to create a polished native Macintosh application. =========================================== --- Brett George wrote: > I've heard about Opera but never tested it. I guess > I have to try it out > now. > > brett > > > wrdptrsn wrote: > > The best browser that I've ever used, and still > use is Opera. > > I run the latest version (9.1) with Panther and > Tiger. > > It less than 30 MB's in size (app only) and has a > mail app as well. > > I keep it open for days on end, and only restart > it to clear the cache. > > I find it to be very fast even with 10 tabs open. > > I have tried Firefox but found it to be bloatware, > like Safari. > > I have 896 MB's of memory. > > > > Just my 2 cents > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! > Vintage Mac and random stuff: > > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From harry at gifutiger.com Sun Feb 4 09:15:30 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sun Feb 4 09:15:44 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: References: <0ADFA16E-B3AA-11DB-8FB0-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> <17b2b7107e72dfef3320de8fa075baf0@gifutiger.com> <45C58477.4010605@comcast.net> <45C59E39.5010804@dslextreme.com> <45C5A1E2.1020205@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7d42c1d4af9c77c4134f7b679bac70c9@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) How did the Subject of this thread get changed from [G4] Browsers to [G4] DVR problem? ---------------------------------------------------- On Feb 4, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Steve Goldstein wrote: > I also like Opera a lot. I do not recall having the same problem with > Opera that I have with Safari or Firefox. On the other hand, Opera > does not handle all the video types that Firefox or Safari do. > > --Steve > > At 1:05 AM -0800 2/4/07, Brett George wrote: >> This has been a KNOWN problem with Safari and firefox ever since they >> came out. It's been more than long enough for a fix to have been >> found IF the programmers cared to > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From brettgeorge at comcast.net Sun Feb 4 11:46:05 2007 From: brettgeorge at comcast.net (Brett George) Date: Sun Feb 4 11:46:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> References: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <45C637FD.6050206@comcast.net> 512MG + 256MB +128MB = 896MB keith_w wrote: > > How do you get to 7/8ths of a full Gig? 896 MB is an odd number, in my > mind. Just a curiosity! > > keith whaley > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From brettgeorge at comcast.net Sun Feb 4 11:58:03 2007 From: brettgeorge at comcast.net (Brett George) Date: Sun Feb 4 11:58:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <20070204163149.97702.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070204163149.97702.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C63ACB.4060904@comcast.net> I looked at Camino a while back when it was in it's infant stage. Then, since I liked what I was using, I forgot about it. so, yes, I'll take a look at it too. I'm curious about Correo as well. I was using Apple Mail for a long time and then, all of a sudden, it refused to recognize my login. I tried EVERYTHING I know and then some to try and fix it to no avail. It STILL doesn't work to this day! Extremely frustrating as I liked it. Eudora did the same thing. Somehow my login became corrupt or something but I've never been able to fix it. And I have done everything except wipe the drive and start over! Thanks for the info on Camino and Correo. brett Richard Ramsowr wrote: > Brett > > While your checking out different browsers - you ought > to try "Camino" 1.0.3 ! > > It's basically ?Mozilla? powered (i.e. Firefox) with > Mac styling! > > The Camino Project has worked to create a browser that > is as functional and elegant as the computers it runs > on. The Camino web browser is powerful, secure, and > ready to meet the needs of all users while remaining > simple and elegant in its design. > > Plus they have just released a new Mail Client to go > with ?Camino? called ?Correo? > > ?Correo?, is a new open-source mail client for Mac OS > X. Correo blends technology from two popular Mozilla > projects, Camino and Thunderbird, to create a polished > native Macintosh application. > =========================================== > > --- Brett George wrote: > > >> I've heard about Opera but never tested it. I guess >> I have to try it out >> now. >> >> brett >> From douglist at macnauchtan.com Sun Feb 4 12:08:26 2007 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Sun Feb 4 12:08:50 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <45C637FD.6050206@comcast.net> References: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> <45C637FD.6050206@comcast.net> Message-ID: At 11:46 -0800 2/4/07, Brett George wrote: >512MG + 256MB +128MB = 896MB >> >>How do you get to 7/8ths of a full Gig? 896 MB is an odd number, in my mind. Just a curiosity! Computer gurus think 512 is a half, 256 is a quarter and 128 is an eighth. It's a good thing they don't handle my finances. When they count they don't include their thumbs. And a MG must be on a planet that has 512000000 times the gravity of Earth. -- --> Marriage and kilo are troubled words. Turmoil results when centuries-old usage is altered in specialized jargon <--. From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun Feb 4 12:11:32 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun Feb 4 12:11:36 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <45C637FD.6050206@comcast.net> References: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> <45C637FD.6050206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <45C63DF4.7010004@dslextreme.com> Brett George wrote: > 512MG + 256MB +128MB = 896MB Hah! Of course! It never occurred to me you could still *buy* the 128 MB sticks. I think some newer machines only take memory in 256 MB increments. Might be wrong, but anyhow...thanks for the answer. keith > keith_w wrote: >> >> How do you get to 7/8ths of a full Gig? 896 MB is an odd number, in my >> mind. Just a curiosity! >> >> keith whaley From philip.robar at gmail.com Sun Feb 4 12:26:48 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Sun Feb 4 12:27:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: References: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> <45C637FD.6050206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <45C64188.6030302@gmail.com> Doug McNutt wrote: > At 11:46 -0800 2/4/07, Brett George wrote: > >> 512MG + 256MB +128MB = 896MB >> >>> How do you get to 7/8ths of a full Gig? 896 MB is an odd number, in my mind. Just a curiosity! >>> > > Computer gurus think 512 is a half, 256 is a quarter and 128 is an eighth. It's a good thing they don't handle my finances. When they count they don't include their thumbs. > There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. Phil From obgraph at hiwaay.net Sun Feb 4 13:26:00 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Sun Feb 4 13:26:12 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> References: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20070204152600.862931.0f92370f@hiwaay.net> On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 07:42:18 -0800, keith_w wrote: > How do you get to 7/8ths of a full Gig? 896 MB is an odd number, in > my mind. Just a curiosity! In computer math a gigabyte is 1,024,000K (not 1,000,000.) A megabyte is 1,024K (not 1,000.) One gig / 8 = 128MB X 7 = 896MB . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun Feb 4 13:33:22 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun Feb 4 13:33:28 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <20070204152600.862931.0f92370f@hiwaay.net> References: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> <20070204152600.862931.0f92370f@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <45C65122.8040509@dslextreme.com> O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 07:42:18 -0800, keith_w wrote: >> How do you get to 7/8ths of a full Gig? 896 MB is an odd number, in >> my mind. Just a curiosity! > In computer math a gigabyte is 1,024,000K (not 1,000,000.) A megabyte is 1,024K (not 1,000.) > > One gig / 8 = 128MB X 7 = 896MB I just *knew* I'd phrased the question incorrectly! I'm aware of all the calculations, and all the differences. What I was unaware of was that you could still buy 156 MB sticks, or that all modern CPUs would accept them. Oh well, no big deal.... Thanks, keith whaley From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Feb 4 13:49:41 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Feb 4 13:50:45 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4] Re: DVR problem In-Reply-To: <20070204195817.8577E882906@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070204195817.8577E882906@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 02/04/07, keith_w wrote: > Brett George wrote: >> Yes, that's what I do. I also do periodic maintenance on the entire OS >> (10.4.8). But that's not a fix. It's 'making do' and it shouldn't be >> that way. This has been a KNOWN problem with Safari and firefox ever >> since they came out. It's been more than long enough for a fix to have >> been found IF the programmers cared to. I think that they think it's a >> minor problem and would rather devote their time to making cool stuff >> instead of some boring code fix! > > I agree with you all the way. > I'd hope some decision-maker would see to fixing memory leaks. > That sort of thing cripples an otherwise fine program, for a lot of people. > > Cross your fingers that someone with a little clout reads this list, and > will assign a little priority to that problem. You could, if running Safari, periodically empty its cache. Alternatively, you could enable Safari's Debug menu: quit Safari, launch the Terminal app, type in this command, hit the return key, relaunch Safari, select Debug->Always check for world leaks, and see what's reported: defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 To turn off the Debug menu, use this: defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 0 From sng at cox.net Sun Feb 4 14:07:44 2007 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Sun Feb 4 14:08:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers and e-mail clients In-Reply-To: <45C63ACB.4060904@comcast.net> References: <20070204163149.97702.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45C63ACB.4060904@comcast.net> Message-ID: Camino and SeaMonkey stem from the same Mozilla roots. They are not all that difference. I prefer the SeaMonkey interface to that of Camino, however. I always have a duplicate copy of my Eudora Settings File handy in case I run into the same problem that you did. Yesterday, however, my wife could not log into her ISP (Cox) mail account using Apple's Mail, and I could not log into one of a few separate mail accounts that I have with Cox.net as well, and I use Eudora. But, I could access my other mail accounts with no trouble. Also, I could not access the problem e-mail accounts over Cox's web interface, though, again, I could access the other e-mail accounts that way, too. So, the problem was at Cox's end and not with our e-mail clients. Worth checking next time your mail wedges. One more problem that I used to get at my employer's office about five years ago was not being able to download e-mail beyond a certain message. I would have to log into the machine at the terminal level and use a UNIX editor to remove the offending message (I think the problem was an end-of-file error). I have not had that problem with any of my commercial ISPs' e-mail accounts, however. If you feel that you want to use another e-mail client, you might also take a look at a very good one called GyazMail.app ($18, shareware). I tried it for a while and liked it very much, but since I had years and years of history and addresses stored on Eudora, I decided to stay with Eudora. --Steve At 11:58 AM -0800 2/4/07, Brett George wrote: >I looked at Camino a while back when it was in it's infant stage. > Then, since I liked what I was using, I forgot about it. so, >yes, I'll take a look at it too. I'm curious about Correo as well. I >was using Apple Mail for a long time and then, all of a sudden, it >refused to recognize my login. I tried EVERYTHING I know and then >some to try and fix it to no avail. It STILL doesn't work to this >day! Extremely frustrating as I liked it. Eudora did the same thing. >Somehow my login became corrupt or something but I've never been >able to fix it. And I have done everything except wipe the drive and >start over! >Thanks for the info on Camino and Correo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070204/ed99b2ed/attachment.html From douglist at macnauchtan.com Sun Feb 4 17:08:06 2007 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Sun Feb 4 17:08:16 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <20070204152600.862931.0f92370f@hiwaay.net> References: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> <20070204152600.862931.0f92370f@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: At 15:26 -0600 2/4/07, O'Brien wrote: >In computer math a gigabyte is 1,024,000K (not 1,000,000.) A megabyte is 1,024K (not 1,000.) Actually, I think a kibibyte is 2^10 = 1024 bytes A mebibyte is 2^20 and a gibibyte is 2^30 =1024^3 bytes 1,024,000 is none of the above in base 16, 8, or 10 It's nice, in a way, to see computer jocks get fouled by their own arithmetic. -- --> Marriage and kilo are troubled words. Turmoil results when centuries-old usage is altered in specialized jargon <--. From brettcaven at gmail.com Sun Feb 4 17:46:41 2007 From: brettcaven at gmail.com (Brett Caven) Date: Sun Feb 4 17:46:48 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: References: <6f8f28710702040324h4bff873x6ff9a135911a6ea9@mail.gmail.com> <45C5F851.20703@comcast.net> <45C5FEDA.9010204@dslextreme.com> <20070204152600.862931.0f92370f@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <944d273d0702041746y237f2a8ctb372e3a59e68993f@mail.gmail.com> I think he might have meant: 1GB = 1024MB, not 1GB = 1024000K On 2/4/07, Doug McNutt wrote: > > At 15:26 -0600 2/4/07, O'Brien wrote: > >In computer math a gigabyte is 1,024,000K (not 1,000,000.) A megabyte is > 1,024K (not 1,000.) > > Actually, I think a kibibyte is 2^10 = 1024 bytes > A mebibyte is 2^20 > and a gibibyte is 2^30 =1024^3 bytes > > 1,024,000 is none of the above in base 16, 8, or 10 > > It's nice, in a way, to see computer jocks get fouled by their own > arithmetic. > > -- > --> Marriage and kilo are troubled words. Turmoil results when > centuries-old usage is altered in specialized jargon <--. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -- -Brett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070204/3d841d6b/attachment-0001.html From baltwo at san.rr.com Sun Feb 4 19:24:50 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Feb 4 19:26:16 2007 Subject: [G4] International System of Units (SI) (was: Browsers) In-Reply-To: <20070205014656.197F2885A85@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070205014656.197F2885A85@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 02/04/07, Doug McNutt wrote: > At 15:26 -0600 2/4/07, O'Brien wrote: >>In computer math a gigabyte is 1,024,000K (not 1,000,000.) A megabyte is >>1,024K (not 1,000.) > > Actually, I think a kibibyte is 2^10 = 1024 bytes > A mebibyte is 2^20 > and a gibibyte is 2^30 =1024^3 bytes > > 1,024,000 is none of the above in base 16, 8, or 10 > > It's nice, in a way, to see computer jocks get fouled by their own arithmetic. See for a reasonable explanation on bits and bytes and for the definitive answer on SI. From imago at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 4 21:05:13 2007 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Sun Feb 4 21:05:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <20070205014655.9A371885A84@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <765F6D0D-B4D6-11DB-BD28-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> I actually started the DVR thread, and then asked about browsers, keeping the same "re:" subject header. Anyway, I've been heeding the browser discussion, and I've downloaded both Opera and Camino to test out. I'm finding Safari to be very sloooow. How much memory should I give it? Do you allocate memory in OSX? I'm still a newbie to OSX, and I'll probably hold off till spring to upgrade from what I have, which is 10.2.8. I've spent all my $$ on the internal 250 gig hard drive, adapter card, and yes (John), I did get an external firewire drive too. Do I have to partition it to put both 9.2.2 and 10 on it? I've already backed up a bunch of stuff on it and don't want to initialize it if I don't have to. It's HFS extended. I probably should get some more memory, as I have 768: two 128s and a 512. Can my machine use more than a gig? (dual G4, gig ethernet model?) I have one slot open. What's the memory max on this machine with X? Lastly, my DVD superdrive. When I use the eject key on the keyboard, the tray slides out and stays, I can take the disk out and put another in. But the old disk image stays on the desktop, if I click on it it disappears, but the new one doesn't mount. If I drag the disk to the trash to eject it works as it should. I can live with this, but find it a little odd. margaret From adamss99 at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 4 21:26:22 2007 From: adamss99 at bellsouth.net (Steve Adams) Date: Sun Feb 4 21:26:40 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <765F6D0D-B4D6-11DB-BD28-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> References: <765F6D0D-B4D6-11DB-BD28-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <6D949BAF-0492-4C79-B7CB-B24D61DBCF39@bellsouth.net> I have a dual G4 ethernet and I'm running 1.5 Gig of Ram. I think the max is 2 gig for these models. I use Safari but I'm starting to use Camino more and more. Safari has some type of memory leak and eats up 500-700 meg of ram in a matter of days. I've complained about it but nothing seems to happens. Apple has had a lot of problems programming for these dual processors (even 10.2 had early problems with the dual processors) and maybe that has something to do with the memory leak. In OSX you do not allocate memory to programs. The OS does that automatically. I have ran OS9 and OSX on the same drive with no partitions. There is no need to partition. Partitioning does help in keeping things organized but there is no need to do it. There has been many heated discussions about this subject on this board, but I have done it with no partitions and there is no need for partitioning. Steve Adams On Feb 5, 2007, at 12:05 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > I actually started the DVR thread, and then asked about browsers, > keeping the same "re:" subject header. > > Anyway, I've been heeding the browser discussion, and I've downloaded > both Opera and Camino to test out. I'm finding Safari to be very > sloooow. > How much memory should I give it? Do you allocate memory in OSX? > > I'm still a newbie to OSX, and I'll probably hold off till spring > to upgrade from > what I have, which is 10.2.8. I've spent all my $$ on the internal > 250 gig hard > drive, adapter card, and yes (John), I did get an external firewire > drive too. > Do I have to partition it to put both 9.2.2 and 10 on it? I've > already backed > up a bunch of stuff on it and don't want to initialize it if I > don't have to. It's HFS > extended. I probably should get some more memory, as I have 768: > two 128s > and a 512. Can my machine use more than a gig? (dual G4, gig > ethernet model?) > I have one slot open. What's the memory max on this machine with X? > > Lastly, my DVD superdrive. When I use the eject key on the keyboard, > the tray slides out and stays, I can take the disk out and put > another in. But the old > disk image stays on the desktop, if I click on it it disappears, > but the new one doesn't > mount. If I drag the disk to the trash to eject it works as it > should. I can live with this, > but find it a little odd. > > margaret > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 8 08:25:02 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Thu Feb 8 08:25:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Web Site design tool for newbie... Message-ID: <374472.11010.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Morning all... I'm looking for some feedback on either RapidWeaver (for which I'm lean towards buying) or Sandvox (for which I find is weak and unstable). I also looked at something called Nuv but found myself indifferent. Or maybe some thing else that I have not yet to hear of! Rick Houston From skygram at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 08:46:07 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Thu Feb 8 08:46:40 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Web Site design tool for newbie... In-Reply-To: <374472.11010.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ricardo! What about iWeb? Bill From pshisler at fuse.net Thu Feb 8 08:54:33 2007 From: pshisler at fuse.net (pshisler@fuse.net) Date: Thu Feb 8 08:55:51 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Web Site design tool for newbie... Message-ID: <22570270.1170953674030.JavaMail.root@wmvirt6> I am not familiar with Sandvox, but RapidWeaver is a very good tool. My wife knows nothing of web design, though she is computer savvy. She was easily able to use it to create her website. I also have used RW to modify her site. It retains information regarding where you need to upload your site after your first upload, which is handy. I also know of a couple of other people who use RW to create and maintain their sites. It works fairly intuitively. It also has a great FAQ and a RW forum, so if you have a question, you can usually find an answer right away. Others share their experiences and you find they have already solved most problems you may have. I think RW is a great piece of software for the money. ---- Richard Ramsowr wrote: > Morning all... > > I'm looking for some feedback on either RapidWeaver > (for which I'm lean towards buying) or Sandvox (for > which I find is weak and unstable). I also looked at > something called Nuv but found myself indifferent. > > Or maybe some thing else that I have not yet to hear > of! > > Rick > Houston > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From earle.jones at comcast.net Thu Feb 8 10:07:09 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Thu Feb 8 10:07:56 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Web Site design tool for newbie... In-Reply-To: <374472.11010.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <374472.11010.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3EF2B9A2-A021-4E70-9D44-06835E29FC44@comcast.net> On Feb 8, 2007, at 8:25 AM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > Morning all... > > I'm looking for some feedback on either RapidWeaver > (for which I'm lean towards buying) or Sandvox (for > which I find is weak and unstable). I also looked at > something called Nuv but found myself indifferent. > > Or maybe some thing else that I have not yet to hear > of! > > Rick * Rick: Go to VersionTracker and look for shareware and freebie web software. There are a lot of different packages. The commercial standard used to be 'DreamWeaver', but it cost a couple of hundred US dollars. I once built a website using PageSpinner (free). You can also do it with BBEdit, but there is not much graphic support. And, like someone said, how about iWeb? earle * "You can't spell GEEK without a double E." From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 8 10:34:40 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Thu Feb 8 10:35:26 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Web Site design tool for newbie... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070208183440.79059.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm looking to use the new web site for business... --- Skygram wrote: > Ricardo! > > What about iWeb? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From jmsparks1 at verizon.net Thu Feb 8 12:13:31 2007 From: jmsparks1 at verizon.net (John Sparks) Date: Thu Feb 8 12:13:40 2007 Subject: [G4] Trial version overrides old Message-ID: <39FA4C15-9443-4C1E-B3FE-A5D889412625@verizon.net> Hello fellow Listers: I'm still recovering from my Power Supply failure, on my G4/400. I bought a Mirrored Door G4 Dual 1.25GHz and trying to get it configured. I loaded my MS Office and on trying to open it, it was pushed aside by the "free Trial" version that came on my original DVD. How do I get rid of the Trial version and save my data from Excel.? Thanks one & all. John From jmsparks1 at verizon.net Thu Feb 8 13:11:31 2007 From: jmsparks1 at verizon.net (John Sparks) Date: Thu Feb 8 13:13:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Lost 2 out of 4 Partitions Message-ID: Hello List: Setting up my new to me G4 Dual 1.25 GHz machine. I installed the 2 Hard Drives from old G4/400 (blown PS) As a point of interest they would not boot, after all my attempts to do so failed, until I repaired Permissions on all drives, erika. Then I could boot from them etc. Today I noticed that the"B & D" drives disappeared from the Desktop. All traces to where not found,however I did find on "About this Mac" it showed the Capacity, but no available was blank.???? How do I determine #1 If in deed that something removed all my data. and # 2 What I need to do to have them mount. I started with CPU's in 92 on OS 7, and only could afford a new 2nd one, the G4,a gift of a G4 TI Book, now this G4 Dual, Every system upgrade and CPU change has been more troublesome,than the prior. Not enough to drive me to a PC however. The best John From briang113 at pacbell.net Thu Feb 8 15:38:52 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Thu Feb 8 15:39:06 2007 Subject: [G4] Trial version overrides old In-Reply-To: <39FA4C15-9443-4C1E-B3FE-A5D889412625@verizon.net> References: <39FA4C15-9443-4C1E-B3FE-A5D889412625@verizon.net> Message-ID: The trial version is set as the default, change that or delete the trial version. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Feb 8, 2007, at 12:13 PM, John Sparks wrote: > Hello fellow Listers: > I'm still recovering from my Power Supply failure, on my G4/400. > I bought a Mirrored Door G4 Dual 1.25GHz and trying to get it > configured. > I loaded my MS Office and on trying to open it, it was pushed aside > by the "free Trial" > version that came on my original DVD. How do I get rid of the Trial > version and > save my data from Excel.? > Thanks one & all. > John > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From G-2 at att.net Thu Feb 8 17:06:04 2007 From: G-2 at att.net (Slip Kid) Date: Thu Feb 8 17:06:15 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers In-Reply-To: <20070208233913.414E68B7B3F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070208233913.414E68B7B3F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <45CBC8FC.4030907@att.net> > Anyway, I've been heeding the browser discussion, and I've downloaded > both Opera and Camino to test out. I'm finding Safari to be very > sloooow. > How much memory should I give it? Do you allocate memory in OSX? I'm no expert on Camino but it seems to move faster than Safari and Firefox. I have half a gig of RAM but my G-4 is only 400Mhz and can't complain about the speed of any of the three. Firefox is fine for me as I 'share' it with my winboxes, but I'd go with Camino if I had to pick one for 'just the Mac'. Alas, a neat add-on *was* CamiTools ...but it appears to not work beyond 1.0. A trick for slow mail client is to 'compress' the folders to a tiny size & often...I suspect a large cache for a browser might load up frequently visited pages from the drive quicker than fetching data from the web. Michael From fsudore at mac.com Thu Feb 8 18:05:10 2007 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Thu Feb 8 18:05:27 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Web Site design tool for newbie... In-Reply-To: <374472.11010.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <374472.11010.qm@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <284F72E5-8F9D-4839-8AFB-34D3D74BC8AF@mac.com> try freeway On Feb 8, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > Morning all... > > I'm looking for some feedback on either RapidWeaver > (for which I'm lean towards buying) or Sandvox (for > which I find is weak and unstable). I also looked at > something called Nuv but found myself indifferent. > > Or maybe some thing else that I have not yet to hear > of! > > Rick > Houston > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No. OS X allocates memory on the fly, using virtual memory (i.e., free diskspace; that's why people recommend keeping 10-20% of any boot volume empty/free). > I'm still a newbie to OSX, and I'll probably hold off tillspring to upgrade >from > what I have, which is 10.2.8. I've spent all my $$ on the internal 250 > gig hard drive, adapter card, and yes (John), I did get an external firewire > drive too. Leopard (10.5) is expected to ship this spring (by June 20), but there's guarantee. Good move WRT to the FWHD, from my point of view. > Do I have to partition it to put both 9.2.2 and 10 on it? I've alreadybacked > up a bunch of stuff on it and don't want to initialize it if I don't have to. >It's HFS > extended. No. OS X and 9 can coexist on the same volume. That said, I personally recommend separating them to minimize conflicts, but you don't have to do that. How did you back up? Copy from internal to external? I recommend making a bootable backup (clone) of your new internal HD to the FWHD, using Carbon Copy Cloner, SuperDuper!, etc. > I probably should get some more memory, as I have 768: two > 128s and a 512. Can my machine use more than a gig? (dual G4, gig ethernet > model?) I have one slot open. What's the memory max on this machine with X? I have 1.5 GB, same machine, which, according to Apple's Setting up Guide for that machine, is 1.536 GB (2x512 + 2x256 sticks). > > Lastly, my DVD superdrive. When I use the eject key on the keyboard, > the tray slides out and stays, I can take the disk out and put another > in. But the old disk image stays on the desktop, if I click on it it >disappears, but > the new one doesn't mount. If I drag the disk to the trash to eject itworks >as it should. > I can live with this, but find it a little odd. I don't have a superdrive, just the HITACHI DVD-ROM GD-7000 drive that came with the machine.I agree that it's a bit odd, but at least you have a simple workaround. From laurawebb at mac.com Fri Feb 9 07:05:39 2007 From: laurawebb at mac.com (Laura Webb) Date: Fri Feb 9 07:05:50 2007 Subject: [G4] One processor cuts out Message-ID: I've had an odd thing happen a few times, that I've noticed anyway. My computer slows down and when I check the Activity Monitor, only one processor is functioning. I restart, everything is back to normal, both processors functioning. Any ideas as to what is going on? The only recent addition is a OWC sata card w/ a Maxtor 500gb internal attached. Also, since installing the card and drive, my audio is a bit messed up, cutting out, and switching from int. to ext. Could both problems be related? Dual 1ghz quicksilver 1.5 gb ram OWC sata card - 1 int. drive 2 other ide ata drives (200gb + 120gb) Firewire card 9800 Radeon Mac OS X (10.4.8) Thanks in advance for any help, Laura From jelmore at elmoredesign.com Fri Feb 9 07:56:39 2007 From: jelmore at elmoredesign.com (Jim Elmore) Date: Fri Feb 9 07:57:31 2007 Subject: [G4] One processor cuts out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56E7AB02-B756-480D-A7E2-AE5801A94F16@elmoredesign.com> This isn't any help -- don't know about the addition of the new hardware, but I had a dual where one cpu would hang and go into full use mode, or the processors would take turns being in full use mode. I had the computer in the shop to have the power supply upgraded and had them check the processor. It was faulty. Fortunately, it was still under my extended Applecare warranty. On Feb 9, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Laura Webb wrote: > I've had an odd thing happen a few times, that I've noticed anyway. > My computer slows down and when I check the Activity Monitor, > only one processor is functioning. I restart, everything is back > to normal, both processors functioning. Any ideas as to what is > going on? > The only recent addition is a OWC sata card w/ a Maxtor 500gb internal > attached. Also, since installing the card and drive, my audio is a bit > messed up, cutting out, and switching from int. to ext. Could both > problems > be related? > > Dual 1ghz quicksilver > 1.5 gb ram > OWC sata card - 1 int. drive > 2 other ide ata drives (200gb + 120gb) > Firewire card > 9800 Radeon > Mac OS X (10.4.8) > > Thanks in advance for any help, > Laura > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From britchey11 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 9 11:00:23 2007 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Fri Feb 9 11:00:36 2007 Subject: [G4] internal hd for os9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <474846.21818.qm@web37410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> can i add 2 hd's bigger than 100 in a 9.1 g4? thanks bill --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070209/fbda8698/attachment.html From Send2Rich at aol.com Fri Feb 9 12:22:27 2007 From: Send2Rich at aol.com (Send2Rich@aol.com) Date: Fri Feb 9 12:23:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers (need for partitioning) Message-ID: As long as you only use OS 9.2.2 as Classic under OS 10, you won't have to partition the 250GB drive. If you need to boot OS 9, you will need to keep the OS 9 boot partition under about 190 GB, or OS 9 will hang when booting (personal experience). OS 9 can access all your data on all your partitions. There are many ways to do the partitioning. I have a 20 GB partition for booting OS 9 - probably about twice the size that it needs to be since OS 9 can access data on all my other drives and partitions (largest is 460 GB). The major drawback to this approach is that it does duplicate the OS 9 software, since Classic needs to be the same partition as OS 10 to avoid anomalies. I experienced some issues with booting OS 9 on the OS 10 partition after upgrading to 10.4.7: many of my Applescripts would not run. I suspect that part of the 10.4.7 upgrade included some changes to OS 9 extensions to make Classic work better, but it gave me problems when operating in a pure OS 9.2.2 environment. I copied OS 9.2.2 from a pre-upgrade backup to the 20 GB partition, and everything works fine. One caution - 190 GB might be too big. There's no Apple documentation on the maximum size for an OS 9 boot partition, only a few user postings. I haven't experimented to confirm the maximum size, so it might be a something less than 190 GB. If you have time, try 190 and boot OS 9. Otherwise, I'd be a little conservative and go with 180 GB for the main partition and whatever is left for second. I can say from experience that OS 9 will not boot from 385 GB and 470 GB partitions. While you will need to initialize your external drive before you can use it, it does not need OS 10 or OS 9, unless you want to boot into either of those operating systems from the external drive. I would strongly recommend having at least OS 10 (with Classic) on the external drive in case something happens to the internal drive. That will provide a more convenient means (compared to booting from a CD/DVD) of troubleshooting and repairing some problems. Rich > Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:26:22 -0500 > From: Steve Adams > Subject: Re: [G4] Browsers > I have ran OS9 and OSX on the same drive with no partitions. There is > no need to partition. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070209/ed8ba866/attachment-0001.html From imago at bellsouth.net Sat Feb 10 08:46:15 2007 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Sat Feb 10 08:47:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers (need for partitioning) In-Reply-To: <20070209202306.372048C18FB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <39307E12-B926-11DB-AAFE-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> John B., thanks for the reply. What Rich said - if I understood correctly.. For use as Classic, OS9 should be on the same partition as X, but for use as a bootable system it should be on a different partition? Meaning two OS9 installs? Right now on my new internal drive I put OS9 and X on different partitions, and was planning to use that OS9 system for Classic apps. Are you saying that's not good to do, and that 9 for Classic designation should be on the same partition as X, and I should do another OS9 install on the X partition? margaret From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net Sat Feb 10 15:11:36 2007 From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net) Date: Sat Feb 10 15:18:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Opinions on partitioning strategy Message-ID: In the past, under OS 9, I partitioned my drives so that the system files, applications, documents, and caches had separate volumes. My rational being that I only needed to backup the system and application files when major changes were made but I wanted to backup documents several times each week. I know...I was using DiskFit and could have selected which files to back up in particular sets; however, I also felt that there was less chance of the system or applications crashing and munging up the document files if they were on separate volumes. It's also nice to have clean, unfragmented space for images etc. My son gave me his old MMD dual 1.25 400 including lots of recently installed applications and 10.4.8. I backed up the whole drive with Retrospect Desktop, added a HD, and partitioned that as follows: 121+ gigs, 10gb for DVD burning, 5gb for applications, 10gb for scratch, and 1gb for downloading, and 1gb for a redundant 9.2.2 boot volume. Then I used Carbon Copy Cloner to clone the original HD into the 121 gig volume. All is working well. Can I now simple copy the applications folder from the 121gb volume into the applications volume, pull all the applications out of the folder, then trash that empty folder, and replace the applications folder on the 121gb with an alias pointing to the new 5gb applications volume? Are there invisible files that would be lost and not included in the process? Do application preference files under OSX get mingled in with the system folder/files as they do in OS9? Maybe I could use CCC to clone the folder. ???? Can I install 9.2.2 in the 121gb "system" volume now or will I have to uninstall OSX, install OS9, and then reinstall OSX so that I can run in classic mode? I realize I can use the redundant 1gb 9.2.2 boot volume but mighten it be useful to have both options? Most of my old applications will only run under OS9. How can I get them from my networked B&W, 7500, and IIfx and be sure all the parts are there? Where do I put them? Would it just be easier to reinstall them? If so is that done in OS9, OSX, or does it matter? From java_j at macosx.com Sat Feb 10 15:30:58 2007 From: java_j at macosx.com (Carol) Date: Sat Feb 10 15:29:39 2007 Subject: [G4] Router trouble Message-ID: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> Hi Folks, I am still having trouble connecting to the internet using a router. I posted weeks ago and it seemed that my router had died. Now I have a new linksys BEFSX41 ver. 2.1. The lights are a bit different from the lights on the previous model, but I see the similarity. This router seems to be doing better, but I am not there yet. I connected the router and all the lights went on as they should. I configured the router, at least I think I did using Netscape 7.1. I should add that my default home page did not come up. I stopped that and entered http://192.168.1.1. A LynkSys web page came up. I just used the default values. Then I turned everything off, including the DSL modem. I turned it all back on again. No luck with Netscape 7.1 or Safari. My Network is set to Built-in Ethernet. The TCP/IP settings are set to configure Using DHCP. The IP address, subnet Mask and Router number seem to be supplied by the router. I also have an IPv6 Address. I checked the system logs and found this troubling entry: Feb 10 14:45:07 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting network file system Feb 10 14:45:07 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting printing services Feb 10 14:45:08 localhost automount[289]: automount version 57 Feb 10 14:45:08 localhost automount[292]: automount version 57 Feb 10 14:45:12 localhost ConsoleMessage: Loading IP Firewall extension Feb 10 14:45:12 localhost SystemStarter: Loading IP Firewall extension Feb 10 14:45:13 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Network extensions Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, logging disabled Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IPv6 packet filtering initialized, default to accept, logging disabled Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IP firewall loaded Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting internet services Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost SystemStarter: Starting internet services Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost xinetd[325]: 325 {init_services} no services. Exiting... Feb 10 14:45:18 localhost SystemStarter: Startup complete. The line about no services is troubling. I decided to check whether the ethernet part of the router was working. By that I mean would my two computers talk to each ohter with the only conncetion between them being the router. They will. It seems as though this router is fine but for some reason I do not have things properly set. The only way I can get on the internet is to remover the router. Any thoughts? I really thought that a new router would fix things. Carol From jimash at optonline.net Sat Feb 10 15:31:41 2007 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Sat Feb 10 15:31:49 2007 Subject: [G4] Opinions on partitioning strategy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25AD3712-4FD2-4395-B684-675D605182BB@optonline.net> On Feb 10, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: > In the past, under OS 9, I partitioned my drives so that the system > files, applications, documents, and caches had separate volumes. My > rational being that I only needed to backup the system and > application files when major changes were made but I wanted to > backup documents several times each week. I know...I was using > DiskFit and could have selected which files to back up in > particular sets; however, I also felt that there was less chance of > the system or applications crashing and munging up the document > files if they were on separate volumes. It's also nice to have > clean, unfragmented space for images etc. > Great. Now try to forget all that. > My son gave me his old MMD dual 1.25 400 including lots of recently > installed applications and 10.4.8. I backed up the whole drive with > Retrospect Desktop, added a HD, and partitioned that as follows: 121 > + gigs, 10gb for DVD burning, 5gb for applications, 10gb for > scratch, and 1gb for downloading, and 1gb for a redundant 9.2.2 > boot volume. Then I used Carbon Copy Cloner to clone the original > HD into the 121 gig volume. All is working well. Too many partitions. > > Can I now simple copy the applications folder from the 121gb volume > into the applications volume, pull all the applications out of the > folder, then trash that empty folder, and replace the applications > folder on the 121gb with an alias pointing to the new 5gb > applications volume? Have a backup drive or don't. Your choice. But you are taking simple and making it painful. This will bite you in the ass later, and you waste gigs on the partitioning. > Are there invisible files that would be lost and not included in > the process? usually > Do application preference files under OSX get mingled in with the > system folder/files as they do in OS9? Why don't you poke around in OSX . Prefs are in the library folders of which there at least two. > Maybe I could use CCC to clone the folder. ???? Sure. Or you could .....just install all your stuff on one big drive. Partition the other one like 100/20 put 0.2.2 on the 20 and CCC your main drive to the 100. Then both drives will have lots of space and the 100 will have clean space. > > Can I install 9.2.2 in the 121gb "system" volume now or will I have > to uninstall OSX, install OS9, and then reinstall OSX so that I can > run in classic mode? > I realize I can use the redundant 1gb 9.2.2 boot volume but mighten > it be useful to have both options? You can install enough 9.2 for classic from within OSX (system preferences) Your potential 9.2.2 boot drive will be a separate install. > > Most of my old applications will only run under OS9. How can I get > them from my networked B&W, 7500, and IIfx and be sure all the > parts are there? CD's but it isn't pretty. I'd bag it. Install them to your boot 9.2 drive or partition. being sure all the parts are there is a pain. > Where do I put them? > Would it just be easier to reinstall them? That would be good if you have discs and serial#s but it's still old stuff. The new stuff is better. > If so is that done in OS9, OSX, or does it matter? Of course it matters. OSX all the time. Some of your olld apps might run under classic. Some won't. USe X as much as possible. Jim > _ From jimash at optonline.net Sat Feb 10 15:33:25 2007 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Sat Feb 10 15:33:29 2007 Subject: [G4] Router trouble In-Reply-To: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> References: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> Message-ID: On Feb 10, 2007, at 6:30 PM, Carol wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am still having trouble connecting to the internet using a > router. I posted weeks ago and it seemed that my router had died. > Now I have a new linksys BEFSX41 ver. 2.1. > > The lights are a bit different from the lights on the previous > model, but I see the similarity. This router seems to be doing > better, but I am not there yet. > > I connected the router and all the lights went on as they should. > I configured the router, at least I think I did using Netscape > 7.1. I should add that my default home page did not come up. I > stopped that and entered http://192.168.1.1. A LynkSys web page > came up. I just used the default values. Then I turned everything > off, including the DSL modem. > That is not a web page. That is the controls inside your router. > > I turned it all back on again. No luck with Netscape 7.1 or Safari. > > My Network is set to Built-in Ethernet. The TCP/IP settings are > set to configure Using DHCP. The IP address, subnet Mask and > Router number seem to be supplied by the router. I also have an > IPv6 Address. > > I checked the system logs and found this troubling entry: > > Feb 10 14:45:07 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting network file system > Feb 10 14:45:07 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting printing services > Feb 10 14:45:08 localhost automount[289]: automount version 57 > Feb 10 14:45:08 localhost automount[292]: automount version 57 > Feb 10 14:45:12 localhost ConsoleMessage: Loading IP Firewall > extension > Feb 10 14:45:12 localhost SystemStarter: Loading IP Firewall extension > Feb 10 14:45:13 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Network > extensions > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IP packet filtering initialized, > divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, > logging disabled > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IPv6 packet filtering > initialized, default to accept, logging disabled > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IP firewall loaded > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting internet services > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost SystemStarter: Starting internet services > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost xinetd[325]: 325 {init_services} no > services. Exiting... > Feb 10 14:45:18 localhost SystemStarter: Startup complete. > > > The line about no services is troubling. > > > I decided to check whether the ethernet part of the router was > working. By that I mean would my two computers talk to each ohter > with the only conncetion between them being the router. They will. > > It seems as though this router is fine but for some reason I do not > have things properly set. > > The only way I can get on the internet is to remover the router. > Any thoughts? I really thought that a new router would fix things. > > Carol > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jrheald at wans.net Sat Feb 10 17:37:43 2007 From: jrheald at wans.net (JRHeald) Date: Sat Feb 10 17:38:02 2007 Subject: [G4] Tiger Install Question Message-ID: <000001c74d7d$3e602e90$e078f004@Diesel1> I have a purchased version of Tiger that says it is for installation onto the iBook G4. I decided instead that I would rather install Tiger onto my G4 QuickSilver, but when I try to do the install, a message appears saying that it cannot be installed onto this computer. I was told about a utility called Pacifist that would somehow allow me to do the install, but after loading and starting it on my G4, I became confused about how to proceed. I ended up totally screwing up my 10.3.9 install and I had to do a complete reinstallation. Is what I am trying to do possible? Please help, and thanks! JH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070210/5b44f9ee/attachment.html From ronsteinke at mac.com Sat Feb 10 18:14:38 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sat Feb 10 18:15:56 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers (need for partitioning) In-Reply-To: <39307E12-B926-11DB-AAFE-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> References: <39307E12-B926-11DB-AAFE-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <1B15809F-A306-4A99-94DF-6284600181FB@mac.com> On 10 Feb, 2007, at 8:46 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > Right now on my new internal drive I put OS9 and X on different > partitions, > and was planning to use that OS9 system for Classic apps. Are you > saying > that's not good to do, and that 9 for Classic designation should be > on the same > partition as X, and I should do another OS9 install on the X > partition? A lot of what you are asking will depend on the machine you are using. If your machine is capable of booting to OS-9, then it is not required that you have a separate partition for that OS. You can simply do a "Clean Install" of OS-9 in the same partition and designate it as your Classic environment when you access the Classic preference of OS-X. With this arrangement, you will have the option of booting to either OS by holding the Option key down during startup. You can then choose which OS to boot to. If, however, your machine is NOT capable of booting to OS-9, you should use the included CD/DVD to install the Classic environment for that machine. It will be a suitable version according to the model machine you have. This OS will be placed in the same partition as the OS-X version, so you still do not need to partition just for the sake of installing the OS-9. Either way, there is no longer a need to partition your drive simply to install the Classic environment. From douglist at macnauchtan.com Sat Feb 10 19:14:04 2007 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Sat Feb 10 19:14:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Router trouble In-Reply-To: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> References: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> Message-ID: At 15:30 -0800 2/10/07, Carol wrote: >Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost xinetd[325]: 325 {init_services} no services. Exiting... > >The line about no services is troubling. xinetd is a daemon that monitors open ports and stands ready to pass control to services that you want to run for the benefit of other machines. A web server, an ftp receiver, ssh or telnet from another machine, something like that. It's quite possible that you haven't enabled anything like that. -- --> The best programming tool is a soldering iron <-- From jj4 at sympatico.ca Sat Feb 10 19:23:42 2007 From: jj4 at sympatico.ca (Snow White) Date: Sat Feb 10 19:24:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Need for Partitioning for OS9 In-Reply-To: <20070211031425.711B48CD856@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070211031425.711B48CD856@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Margaret: There is no need to install OS9 twice. You can put OS 9 on your OSX partition if you use it for Classic only. I believe it is un-bootable in this state and will only boot to OSX. If I am wrong then correct me. Or you can make a separate partion (arround 5 gig or more) to use as Classic and be bootable into OS9 directly. I find the partition scenario the best because if ever you need replace your OS9 you can do so without effecting OSX. But then I rarely use OS9 - only a couple of old games I play, like MOO 2 or Quake 4. Both have OSX patches that are hard to make work. Hope this helps. jj On 10-Feb-07, at 10:14 PM, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > Browsers (need for partitioning) > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Cc: Margaret Krakowiak > Message-ID: <39307E12-B926-11DB-AAFE-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > John B., thanks for the reply. > > What Rich said - if I understood correctly.. > > For use as Classic, OS9 should be on the same partition as X, > but for use as a bootable system it should be on a different partition? > Meaning two OS9 installs? > > Right now on my new internal drive I put OS9 and X on different > partitions, > and was planning to use that OS9 system for Classic apps. Are you > saying > that's not good to do, and that 9 for Classic designation should be on > the same > partition as X, and I should do another OS9 install on the X partition? > > margaret From baltwo at san.rr.com Sat Feb 10 23:41:19 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sat Feb 10 23:42:10 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers (need for partitioning) In-Reply-To: <20070211031426.3C2108CD85A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070211031426.3C2108CD85A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 02/10/07, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > > For use as Classic, OS9 should be on the same partition as X, > but for use as a bootable system it should be on a different partition? > Meaning two OS9 installs? > > Right now on my new internal drive I put OS9 and X on different partitions, > and was planning to use that OS9 system for Classic apps. Are you saying > that's not good to do, and that 9 for Classic designation should be on the >same > partition as X, and I should do another OS9 install on the X partition? No. I'm an advocate of keeping them on separate partitions. That allows using Startup Disk to easily select either as the boot drive. Additionally, when in OS X you can use the OS 9 on the other partition as Classic without messing anything up on either partition. That also allows you to reinstall OS X without hosing up anything on OS 9 or vice versa. This is especially handy if the directory gets a bit hosed and Disk Utility can't fix it, eliminating using something like Disk Warrior to fix things. Keeping them separate simplifies my usage. BTW, I also have both backed up to an external FWHD and make backups on a regular basis. That also simplifies fixing a hosed directory. Boot into the backup, erase the hosed installation, and clone back. From baltwo at san.rr.com Sat Feb 10 23:47:06 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sun Feb 11 00:01:43 2007 Subject: [G4] Tiger Install Question In-Reply-To: <20070211031426.3C2108CD85A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070211031426.3C2108CD85A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 02/10/07, "JRHeald" wrote: > > I have a purchased version of Tiger that says it is for installation onto > the iBook G4. I decided instead that I would rather install Tiger onto my > G4 QuickSilver, but when I try to do the install, a message appears saying > that it cannot be installed onto this computer. I was told about a utility > called Pacifist that would somehow allow me to do the install, but after > loading and starting it on my G4, I became confused about how to proceed. I > ended up totally screwing up my 10.3.9 install and I had to do a complete > reinstallation. Is what I am trying to do possible? You cannot install the OS designed for a specific machine onto another machine. Return what you purchased and get a full retail Tiger installation set. has all the details. From jruuska at aol.com Sun Feb 11 00:16:57 2007 From: jruuska at aol.com (Jay Ruuska) Date: Sun Feb 11 00:17:16 2007 Subject: [G4] Router trouble In-Reply-To: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> Message-ID: You may need to add your login credentials to the router (one of the pages you saw at 192.168.1.1). For example, for a DSL connection, you must type in your ID and password so that the router will pass this information to the DSL modem. This is standard, and you only do this once. The router's manual will have instructions for this. > It seems as though this router is fine but for some reason I do not have > things properly set. From indee77 at verizon.net Sun Feb 11 11:30:29 2007 From: indee77 at verizon.net (les s) Date: Sun Feb 11 11:30:49 2007 Subject: [G4] Router trouble In-Reply-To: <20070211031425.9B8378CD857@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070211031425.9B8378CD857@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: > > I am still having trouble connecting to the internet using a router. I > posted weeks ago and it seemed that my router had died. Now I have a > new linksys BEFSX41 ver. 2.1. I too, am having the exact problems as you- only my router is a BEFSR41. Linksys tech support is of no help whatsoever - even trying to comprehend the accent is a major hurdle. I've been given every possible excuse from ' the router doesn't work with Mac' to ' the problem is with your ISP'. I have been going back and forth with Verizon (my ISP) and Linksys for the past three months! I don't see why configuring a router and modem is such a big PITA. I have tried various forums, exchanged the router, changed cables etc and still no connection. I am convinced it is a configuration problem. Desperately seeking help of a tech guru! Anybody? Cheers, Les From deacon18 at comcast.net Sun Feb 11 11:41:20 2007 From: deacon18 at comcast.net (Richard Dion) Date: Sun Feb 11 11:42:21 2007 Subject: [G4] Linksys Message-ID: Les, I had the exact same problem with Linksys and their "support". I trashed them both and purchased a DYNEX 4 Port Cable/DSL Router and have not had a problem since. I'ts the best help I can offer. From harry at gifutiger.com Sun Feb 11 11:50:42 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sun Feb 11 11:51:32 2007 Subject: [G4] Router trouble In-Reply-To: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> References: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> Message-ID: <0c912eaef646025c8e7b28debf971b08@gifutiger.com> Greetings, See it this link will help! http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/24592/166/1/2/ ---------------------------------------------------- On Feb 10, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Carol wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am still having trouble connecting to the internet using a router. > I posted weeks ago and it seemed that my router had died. Now I have > a new linksys BEFSX41 ver. 2.1. > > The lights are a bit different from the lights on the previous model, > but I see the similarity. This router seems to be doing better, but I > am not there yet. > > I connected the router and all the lights went on as they should. I > configured the router, at least I think I did using Netscape 7.1. I > should add that my default home page did not come up. I stopped that > and entered http://192.168.1.1. A LynkSys web page came up. I just > used the default values. Then I turned everything off, including the > DSL modem. > > > I turned it all back on again. No luck with Netscape 7.1 or Safari. > > My Network is set to Built-in Ethernet. The TCP/IP settings are set > to configure Using DHCP. The IP address, subnet Mask and Router > number seem to be supplied by the router. I also have an IPv6 > Address. > > I checked the system logs and found this troubling entry: > > Feb 10 14:45:07 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting network file system > Feb 10 14:45:07 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting printing services > Feb 10 14:45:08 localhost automount[289]: automount version 57 > Feb 10 14:45:08 localhost automount[292]: automount version 57 > Feb 10 14:45:12 localhost ConsoleMessage: Loading IP Firewall extension > Feb 10 14:45:12 localhost SystemStarter: Loading IP Firewall extension > Feb 10 14:45:13 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Network extensions > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IP packet filtering initialized, > divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, > logging disabled > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IPv6 packet filtering initialized, > default to accept, logging disabled > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IP firewall loaded > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting internet services > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost SystemStarter: Starting internet services > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost xinetd[325]: 325 {init_services} no > services. Exiting... > Feb 10 14:45:18 localhost SystemStarter: Startup complete. > > > The line about no services is troubling. > > > I decided to check whether the ethernet part of the router was > working. By that I mean would my two computers talk to each ohter > with the only conncetion between them being the router. They will. > > It seems as though this router is fine but for some reason I do not > have things properly set. > > The only way I can get on the internet is to remover the router. Any > thoughts? I really thought that a new router would fix things. > > Carol > _______________________________________________ Best Regards, Harry (*^_^*) I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the rest of my life. ??- George Burns From harry at gifutiger.com Sun Feb 11 11:54:57 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sun Feb 11 11:55:46 2007 Subject: [G4] Router trouble In-Reply-To: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> References: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> Message-ID: The linksys BEFSX41 Router has many more features than the average SOHO needs. ---------------------------------------------------- On Feb 10, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Carol wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am still having trouble connecting to the internet using a router. > I posted weeks ago and it seemed that my router had died. Now I have > a new linksys BEFSX41 ver. 2.1. > > The lights are a bit different from the lights on the previous model, > but I see the similarity. This router seems to be doing better, but I > am not there yet. > > I connected the router and all the lights went on as they should. I > configured the router, at least I think I did using Netscape 7.1. I > should add that my default home page did not come up. I stopped that > and entered http://192.168.1.1. A LynkSys web page came up. I just > used the default values. Then I turned everything off, including the > DSL modem. > > > I turned it all back on again. No luck with Netscape 7.1 or Safari. > > My Network is set to Built-in Ethernet. The TCP/IP settings are set > to configure Using DHCP. The IP address, subnet Mask and Router > number seem to be supplied by the router. I also have an IPv6 > Address. > > I checked the system logs and found this troubling entry: > > Feb 10 14:45:07 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting network file system > Feb 10 14:45:07 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting printing services > Feb 10 14:45:08 localhost automount[289]: automount version 57 > Feb 10 14:45:08 localhost automount[292]: automount version 57 > Feb 10 14:45:12 localhost ConsoleMessage: Loading IP Firewall extension > Feb 10 14:45:12 localhost SystemStarter: Loading IP Firewall extension > Feb 10 14:45:13 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Network extensions > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IP packet filtering initialized, > divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, > logging disabled > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IPv6 packet filtering initialized, > default to accept, logging disabled > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IP firewall loaded > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting internet services > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost SystemStarter: Starting internet services > Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost xinetd[325]: 325 {init_services} no > services. Exiting... > Feb 10 14:45:18 localhost SystemStarter: Startup complete. > > The line about no services is troubling. > > I decided to check whether the ethernet part of the router was > working. By that I mean would my two computers talk to each ohter > with the only conncetion between them being the router. They will. > > It seems as though this router is fine but for some reason I do not > have things properly set. > > The only way I can get on the internet is to remover the router. Any > thoughts? I really thought that a new router would fix things. > > Carol > _______________________________________________ Best Regards, Harry (*^_^*) I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the rest of my life. ??- George Burns From rich at richardklein.org Sun Feb 11 12:36:35 2007 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Sun Feb 11 12:36:43 2007 Subject: [G4] Making CD inserts? Message-ID: <45CF7E53.3030503@richardklein.org> Can anyone recommend software for printing CD inserts (e.g. a track listing) in OS X? TextEdit will work in a pinch, but it's hard to tell if your text is going to fit within the confines of a CD case, or where to fold or cut the paper after you print it out. -- Thanks! Rich From jelmore at elmoredesign.com Sun Feb 11 13:35:32 2007 From: jelmore at elmoredesign.com (Jim Elmore) Date: Sun Feb 11 13:35:45 2007 Subject: [G4] Router trouble In-Reply-To: References: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> Message-ID: From what little I know . . . I'd check your firewall settings, or turn off your firewall and see if that makes a difference. And unless your ISP tell you so, I don't think IPv6 comes into play. Your trying to hook up via Ethernet, so I think that should be the only thing showing for that location. In the Lynksis page at 192.168.1.1, is the router getting an IP address from your modem (may be under Administration>Log>Incoming Log). At least that would tell you if your router is getting any traffic. On Feb 11, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > The linksys BEFSX41 Router has many more features than the average > SOHO needs. > ---------------------------------------------------- > On Feb 10, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Carol wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> I am still having trouble connecting to the internet using a >> router. I posted weeks ago and it seemed that my router had >> died. Now I have a new linksys BEFSX41 ver. 2.1. >> >> The lights are a bit different from the lights on the previous >> model, but I see the similarity. This router seems to be doing >> better, but I am not there yet. >> >> I connected the router and all the lights went on as they should. >> I configured the router, at least I think I did using Netscape >> 7.1. I should add that my default home page did not come up. I >> stopped that and entered http://192.168.1.1. A LynkSys web page >> came up. I just used the default values. Then I turned >> everything off, including the DSL modem. >> >> >> I turned it all back on again. No luck with Netscape 7.1 or Safari. >> >> My Network is set to Built-in Ethernet. The TCP/IP settings are >> set to configure Using DHCP. The IP address, subnet Mask and >> Router number seem to be supplied by the router. I also have an >> IPv6 Address. >> >> I checked the system logs and found this troubling entry: >> >> Feb 10 14:45:07 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting network file >> system >> Feb 10 14:45:07 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting printing services >> Feb 10 14:45:08 localhost automount[289]: automount version 57 >> Feb 10 14:45:08 localhost automount[292]: automount version 57 >> Feb 10 14:45:12 localhost ConsoleMessage: Loading IP Firewall >> extension >> Feb 10 14:45:12 localhost SystemStarter: Loading IP Firewall >> extension >> Feb 10 14:45:13 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Network >> extensions >> Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IP packet filtering initialized, >> divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, >> logging disabled >> Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IPv6 packet filtering >> initialized, default to accept, logging disabled >> Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost kernel: IP firewall loaded >> Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting internet services >> Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost SystemStarter: Starting internet services >> Feb 10 14:45:16 localhost xinetd[325]: 325 {init_services} no >> services. Exiting... >> Feb 10 14:45:18 localhost SystemStarter: Startup complete. >> >> The line about no services is troubling. >> >> I decided to check whether the ethernet part of the router was >> working. By that I mean would my two computers talk to each ohter >> with the only conncetion between them being the router. They will. >> >> It seems as though this router is fine but for some reason I do >> not have things properly set. >> >> The only way I can get on the internet is to remover the router. >> Any thoughts? I really thought that a new router would fix things. >> >> Carol >> _______________________________________________ > > > Best Regards, > > Harry (*^_^*) > > > I look to the future because that's where I'm going to spend the > rest of my life. > > - George Burns > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From deacon18 at comcast.net Sun Feb 11 13:54:18 2007 From: deacon18 at comcast.net (Richard Dion) Date: Sun Feb 11 13:54:28 2007 Subject: [G4] Linksys trouble Message-ID: Les, I had the exact same problem with Linksys and their "support". I trashed them both and purchased a DYNEX 4 Port Cable/DSL Router and have not had a problem since. I'ts the best help I can offer. Deacon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 257 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070211/d47d3810/attachment.bin From java_j at macosx.com Sun Feb 11 15:14:33 2007 From: java_j at macosx.com (Carol) Date: Sun Feb 11 15:13:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Linksys trouble In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45CFA359.20502@macosx.com> I am not surprised that Linksys offered no support. It clearly says in the User Guide that while the router may work with Mac. Linksys does not support it. The DYNEX link I found http://www.dynexproducts.com/pc-28-4-4-port-ethernet-broadband-router.aspx Indicates it is for Window 98 or later. However, the manual, also available on the site, does give setup intructions for OS X. That's a start. It ought to work with OS X. I'm not sure what I am going to do. I hate to just buy a router and hope for the best. Richard Dion wrote: > Les, > > I had the exact same problem with Linksys and their "support". I trashed > them both and purchased a DYNEX 4 Port Cable/DSL Router and have not had > a problem since. I'ts the best help I can offer. > Deacon > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From rich at richardklein.org Sun Feb 11 15:28:12 2007 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Sun Feb 11 15:28:27 2007 Subject: [G4] Linksys trouble In-Reply-To: <45CFA359.20502@macosx.com> References: <45CFA359.20502@macosx.com> Message-ID: <45CFA68C.7010206@richardklein.org> I'm using a Buffalo WHR-G54S with my Quicksilver and OS X 10.4.8: http://www.buffalo-technology.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=125&categoryid=6 or http://preview.tinyurl.com/3c4y6e I only used it for about a day with the factory firmware, but it seemed to work fine with my Mac that way. I ordered it with the intention of installing DD-WRT (http://www.dd-wrt.com/). That's what I'm using on the router now, and it works flawlessly with my Mac. -- Rich Carol wrote: > > I'm not sure what I am going to do. I hate to just buy a router and > hope for the best. From kriss at pobox.mtaonline.net Sun Feb 11 16:32:58 2007 From: kriss at pobox.mtaonline.net (Kristen S) Date: Sun Feb 11 16:33:02 2007 Subject: [G4] Router trouble References: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> Message-ID: <011601c74e3d$58a83a20$6601a8c0@LAPPY> Carol, Your on a DSL line, so here is how you set things up as it differs from those who have cable modems. 1) You must have a network cable connected from you Mac to the Router 2) On your Mac, Click on you Applel logo in the upper left corner, and then System Preferences. a) Click on Network b) Click on Built-in-Ethernet. This must have a green dot or your connection to the router is not valid c) Click on Configure d) Select TCP/IP and for "Configure IPv4" you must select Using DHCP (do not worry about IPv6, you are not going to use that version) If IP Address does not show a number such as 192.168.1.xxx, click on Renew DHCP Lease. If this fails then follow e,f,g below and retry this step again. If you can not gain an IP address at this point, press the reset button on the back of your router to return it to factory settings and try again this step again. This step must pass or you will have no connection to your router. Your email states that this has happened and is good. And yes, your router is suppling the IP addy, Netmask and so on. You do not need to do this yourself. e) Select PPPoE and ensure there is no check mark for Connect using PPPoE f) Select Ethernet and ensure "Configure" states Automatically g) click lower right corner "Apply Now". Your computer is now set up to connect by LAN and not by DSL. You may now connect to your router through any web brower by going to http://192.168.1.111 Do so and log in to your router. If this step happens and your into your router control screen you have done very well and everything is moving along as should be. What to do with the Router: 1) Access the Router web page (It is a web page served from the router) http://192.168.1.1 user your browser, any browser, it does not matter as you are connecting to a web server. a) Skip the Name field and enter the word "admin" (no " marks please) in the Password field b) You are now logged into your router and you can adust settings. It is HERE that you will connect to you DSL. Understand this, your router talks to the DSL, your computer talks to the router. You computer does not ever talk to the DSL as if the router is not involved. Reading your email it is here that you are having difficulties. The steps which follow will resolve your problems c) For WAN Connection type select PPPoE. This is what a DSL line uses. d) Enter whatever user name you have for your DSL e) Enter whatever passowrd you have for you DSL. These are provided by your ISP when you aquired the DSL service and are required f) Click on Apply Your router will now connect to your DSL unit. Your computer is already setup to connect to the router. At this point you may use your computer to connect to the Internet. Since you are using a Mac there is no reason to do restarts. Let us know if this has helped or if you have other problems. Besure to include details. The question about xinetd has been answered correctly. It is a port monitoring daemon and so listens to your computer ports. When incoming connection request are made this service will make that connection. Think of it as the operator on a phone line. And incoming call comes to the operator and a connection is requested. The operator (daemon) will make that connection. You have no services for this daemon to connect to. GOOD! Kristen OSS Admin From briang113 at pacbell.net Sun Feb 11 17:06:45 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Sun Feb 11 17:06:57 2007 Subject: [G4] Router trouble In-Reply-To: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> References: <45CE55B2.8070904@macosx.com> Message-ID: <0D8DE2C7-B426-49EA-BB22-6E6A35A66BCB@pacbell.net> After getting to the router setup page 192.168.1.1 click on the status icon and make sure you are connected to the internet. Depending on the type of modem and your ISP set up. you may need to configure the router as a passive device that uses the modems ability to log in to thew ISP or as an active device that you use to make and maintain the connection. In my case all the login info is stored in the modem so the Router is a simple passive DHCP device. Your ISP should have support for this. Mine setup instructions for most major router manufacturers. GL Brian On Feb 10, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Carol wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am still having trouble connecting to the internet using a > router. I posted weeks ago and it seemed that my router had died. > Now I have a new linksys BEFSX41 ver. 2.1. > > The lights are a bit different from the lights on the previous