From alpoulin at cox.net Mon Jan 1 06:54:33 2007 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Mon Jan 1 06:54:41 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: iBook hard drive In-Reply-To: <20070101001905.0D86F6D45B9@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070101001905.0D86F6D45B9@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On Dec 31, 2006, at 7:19 PM, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 13:00:55 -0800 > From: "R. David Poehner" > I am an American living in Budapest for a while. I have a G4 iBook > with the 30GB hard drive. My hard drive is full. In order to choose > what to delete I would like to find some software that shows what is > taking up space on the hard drive. Without adding new software, you may find it useful to look at your major folders in list view with the size option checked. For example, open the hard drive window. Click on Applications. Select the List View in the upper left corner or find that in the View menu. In the View menu, select Show View Options. Click the boxes for Size and Calculate All Sizes. Back in your Applications window, click at the top of the Size column and perhaps click there again to bring the largest sizes to the top of the column. You may need to also look at your Applications folder in your Home account in case you or someone installed applications there which would not appear in the hard drive window. Al Poulin From java_j at macosx.com Mon Jan 1 13:54:05 2007 From: java_j at macosx.com (Carol) Date: Mon Jan 1 13:53:03 2007 Subject: [G4] Software to read CD/DVD brand Message-ID: <459982FD.4020204@macosx.com> Hi Folks, Does anyone know of any software for OS 10.3.9 that will tell me what brand of disc I have? As you all must know, not all discs are branded. Carol From rich at richardklein.org Mon Jan 1 14:33:21 2007 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Mon Jan 1 14:33:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Software to read CD/DVD brand In-Reply-To: <459982FD.4020204@macosx.com> References: <459982FD.4020204@macosx.com> Message-ID: <45998C31.3030709@richardklein.org> Carol wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone know of any software for OS 10.3.9 that will tell me what > brand of disc I have? As you all must know, not all discs are branded. Carol, I don't know what free or open-source programs may exist for the Mac, but in Toast 7 Titanium, if you go to the Recorder menu and choose Disc Info you get a window like this that will tell you who the disc manufacturer was: http://rich.richardklein.org/images/Picture%201.png If you then click on the More button it takes you to a web page that can tell you more about discs from that manufacturer. -- Rich From fhaddock at compusmart.ab.ca Tue Jan 2 14:21:06 2007 From: fhaddock at compusmart.ab.ca (Frank haddock) Date: Tue Jan 2 13:14:10 2007 Subject: [G4] Soundtrack Pro question... In-Reply-To: <20070101001904.EC6B26D45B8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Is there anyone in this group who knows the program 'Soundtrack Pro'? I need to get a few questions answered. If there is anyone who could help me this would be great. The help I need is essentially concerned with filtering out background noise in a spoken recording. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer. frank From Send2Rich at aol.com Wed Jan 3 05:28:51 2007 From: Send2Rich at aol.com (Send2Rich@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 3 05:29:00 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD 1.25Ghz Message-ID: Check out http://www.barefeats.com/rad98pro.html for a couple of options. The main considerations are cost and whether you need two digital outputs. Rich - - - - - - - - - > Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:22:10 -0500 > From: Serge Isaacson > Subject: [G4] G4 MDD 1.25Ghz > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Message-ID: <45745942.6090204@zanzinato.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hey, > > I was wondering what a decent video card upgrade would be for a G4 MDD > 1.25Ghz. I currently have the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro. > > Thanks, > Serge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070103/9f959833/attachment-0001.html From G-2 at att.net Wed Jan 3 06:45:00 2007 From: G-2 at att.net (Slip Kid) Date: Wed Jan 3 06:45:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Adding Drives to G4 AGP Graphics Model In-Reply-To: <20070103132906.352CA6F031E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070103132906.352CA6F031E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <459BC16C.50804@att.net> On 12/31/06, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > > > > Does anyone know how many internal hard drives I can add to an AGP > > Graphics G4 model, and how I would go about doing that? > > > > I have added one drive (on top of the included drive), and there > > seems to be room for at least two more, but I'm not sure how to add > > more. Where do I get brackets? Where do I attach the brackets? Is > > there enough power supplied by the power supply? Will the fan cool > > the drives adequately? John Baltutis: "Read your Setting Up Your Power Mac G4 manual. It's all described under Installing Internal Storage Devices. If you don't have the manual, download a copy for your machine at...." Me: Do read manuals. Also seek advice in forums. The brains here know it 'all' & more... EX: The Setup Manual for my G4 GE did not indicate the option to 'add' a 3rd HD by using the Zip channel. No, it's not perfect & one must weigh 'the loss' of the Zip drive versus an additional HD. But, I found that out in this forum & not in the manual. Bon chance! PS: There are neater and larger manuals floating around. Act helpless, a sekrit note may appear. (And don't blab about it) From harry at gifutiger.com Wed Jan 3 08:45:46 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed Jan 3 08:45:52 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Adding Drives to G4 AGP Graphics Model In-Reply-To: <459BC16C.50804@att.net> References: <20070103132906.352CA6F031E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <459BC16C.50804@att.net> Message-ID: <91ad5c37b6e03406fee6c4fa2e611b3b@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) The first hit you will get on "Google" (after the paid hits) when you enter "3rd hard drive mac g4" is titled "How to add a THIRD internal ATA hard drive to you G4, How to add a THIRD internal ATA hard drive to your G4 By Ben Bryant ... 3) Mac original ATA drive and first additional ATA drive ..." However as a shortcut you can click on this link; http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/install_third_ata_drive.html and it will take you directly to the information that you are looking for to add the 3rd disk to your G4 ---------------------------------------------------- On Jan 3, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Slip Kid wrote: > On 12/31/06, shopdog@mac.com wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know how many internal hard drives I can add to an AGP > > > Graphics G4 model, and how I would go about doing that? > > > > > > I have added one drive (on top of the included drive), and there > > > seems to be room for at least two more, but I'm not sure how to add > > > more. Where do I get brackets? Where do I attach the brackets? > Is > > > there enough power supplied by the power supply? Will the fan cool > > > the drives adequately? > > John Baltutis: > "Read your Setting Up Your Power Mac G4 manual. It's all described > under > Installing Internal Storage Devices. If you don't have the manual, > download a > copy for your machine at...." > > Me: > Do read manuals. > > Also seek advice in forums. The brains here know it 'all' & more... > > EX: The Setup Manual for my G4 GE did not indicate the option to 'add' > a 3rd HD by using the Zip channel. > No, it's not perfect & one must weigh 'the loss' of the Zip drive > versus an additional HD. > > But, I found that out in this forum & not in the manual. > > Bon chance! > PS: There are neater and larger manuals floating around. > Act helpless, a sekrit note may appear. > (And don't blab about it) > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From FromJay at joimail.com Wed Jan 3 13:51:51 2007 From: FromJay at joimail.com (JayB) Date: Wed Jan 3 13:50:47 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP Message-ID: I've looked back through 6 mos of archive and read the specs at 'lowendmac.com' but still don't feel l have confidence in knowing what I can buy to upgrade the internal drives in my G4/500 AGP (upgraded to an Sonnet ST 1ghtz). It has factory 2x18 Ultra2 SCSI / Dual card drives. My question is- can I buy pretty much any IDE drive to replace one or both the internals? I know about the 128mb max. But I just want to upgrade (cheaply) to larger drives without suffering speed (I thought the 7200 ultras were supposed to be the fastest). Specific suggestions and sources would be much appreciated. Also, are airport cards for older g4s like mine available? (since I have a wireless router already in use for my laptop). Thanks in advance, ~Jay From obgraph at hiwaay.net Wed Jan 3 14:24:15 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Wed Jan 3 14:24:23 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070103162415.633414.f3d7f299@hiwaay.net> On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:51:51 -0600, JayB wrote: > My question is- can I buy pretty much any IDE drive to > replace one or both the internals?,,, Here's one of the drives I'm running in a G4/400 Sawtooth AGP: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed Jan 3 15:57:04 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed Jan 3 15:57:15 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <675920.70393.qm@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> Jay, You can fit three drives to your G4 so there is no need to lose one. As you have spent money on a CPU upgrade (not my first choice), you should upgrade your disk(s). There are two factors 1) rotational speed and 2) data transfer rate. The motherboards built-in interface is only ATA33 which is slow by todays standards though modern, faster drives will be backwards compatable. You will be limited to 128Gb even if the drive is bigger. However, it's still an advantage to have a high rotational speed. Make sure it's 7200rpm. It will "feel" more responsive. So you could add a third 128Gb for the cost of the drive and a ribbon cable. Are you using OSX? If you are, you should use the disk utility to create a RAID 0 (stripe) array with your two 18G drives, and then put your OS on that array. You get what appears to be a 36Gb drive that is ~ double the speed and free! Next up the investment scale you can add a Sonnet Serial ATA PCI card to hook up a >128Gb SATA drive. This works very well for me with a Maxtor 250Gb SATA drive providing the mass storage. However you can also just rip out your current scsi devices and use the one SATA drive - I get comparable read/write times between my SATA drive and a striped pair of U160 SCSI drives that run from a ATTO UL3D pci card. Don't buy an Airport card, buy a wireless G PCI card. I have one by Belkin that works with OSX out the box. You might be running out of PCI slots now ... :-) John --- JayB wrote: > I've looked back through 6 mos of archive and read > the specs at > 'lowendmac.com' but still don't feel l have > confidence in knowing > what I can buy to upgrade the internal drives in my > G4/500 AGP > (upgraded to an Sonnet ST 1ghtz). It has factory > 2x18 Ultra2 SCSI / > Dual card drives. > > My question is- can I buy pretty much any IDE drive > to replace one or > both the internals? I know about the 128mb max. > But I just want to > upgrade (cheaply) to larger drives without suffering > speed (I thought > the 7200 ultras were supposed to be the fastest). > Specific > suggestions and sources would be much appreciated. > > Also, are airport cards for older g4s like mine > available? (since I > have a wireless router already in use for my > laptop). > > Thanks in advance, > > ~Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed Jan 3 15:57:04 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed Jan 3 15:57:19 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <675920.70393.qm@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> Jay, You can fit three drives to your G4 so there is no need to lose one. As you have spent money on a CPU upgrade (not my first choice), you should upgrade your disk(s). There are two factors 1) rotational speed and 2) data transfer rate. The motherboards built-in interface is only ATA33 which is slow by todays standards though modern, faster drives will be backwards compatable. You will be limited to 128Gb even if the drive is bigger. However, it's still an advantage to have a high rotational speed. Make sure it's 7200rpm. It will "feel" more responsive. So you could add a third 128Gb for the cost of the drive and a ribbon cable. Are you using OSX? If you are, you should use the disk utility to create a RAID 0 (stripe) array with your two 18G drives, and then put your OS on that array. You get what appears to be a 36Gb drive that is ~ double the speed and free! Next up the investment scale you can add a Sonnet Serial ATA PCI card to hook up a >128Gb SATA drive. This works very well for me with a Maxtor 250Gb SATA drive providing the mass storage. However you can also just rip out your current scsi devices and use the one SATA drive - I get comparable read/write times between my SATA drive and a striped pair of U160 SCSI drives that run from a ATTO UL3D pci card. Don't buy an Airport card, buy a wireless G PCI card. I have one by Belkin that works with OSX out the box. You might be running out of PCI slots now ... :-) John --- JayB wrote: > I've looked back through 6 mos of archive and read > the specs at > 'lowendmac.com' but still don't feel l have > confidence in knowing > what I can buy to upgrade the internal drives in my > G4/500 AGP > (upgraded to an Sonnet ST 1ghtz). It has factory > 2x18 Ultra2 SCSI / > Dual card drives. > > My question is- can I buy pretty much any IDE drive > to replace one or > both the internals? I know about the 128mb max. > But I just want to > upgrade (cheaply) to larger drives without suffering > speed (I thought > the 7200 ultras were supposed to be the fastest). > Specific > suggestions and sources would be much appreciated. > > Also, are airport cards for older g4s like mine > available? (since I > have a wireless router already in use for my > laptop). > > Thanks in advance, > > ~Jay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From briang113 at pacbell.net Wed Jan 3 16:07:53 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Wed Jan 3 16:08:04 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08D5A879-84C2-4272-8092-855B166A6FEF@pacbell.net> Since you already are aware of the size limitation and assuming you do not want to go to a larger drive support setup(either hardware of software driven). You can use and drive that is IDE compatible expect to pay around .50 a gigabyte, you can do better if you look for sales and rebates. I like to use Dealmac (http://dealmac.com/). But any of the price search engines are good. Nextag, pricewatch, streetprice, pricescan, etc. There are lots of them The prices change almost daily on drives sometimes the office supply stores have deals. Look for something in the 80- 160 Gb size range and expect to pay around $30 to 80 for them. The best prices are the 7200 RPM with a 8 mb buffer drives. I personally like Seagate or Maxtor drives myself, have had almost no failures over the years. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Jan 3, 2007, at 1:51 PM, JayB wrote: > I've looked back through 6 mos of archive and read the specs at > 'lowendmac.com' but still don't feel l have confidence in knowing > what I can buy to upgrade the internal drives in my G4/500 AGP > (upgraded to an Sonnet ST 1ghtz). It has factory 2x18 Ultra2 > SCSI / Dual card drives. > > My question is- can I buy pretty much any IDE drive to replace one > or both the internals? I know about the 128mb max. But I just > want to upgrade (cheaply) to larger drives without suffering speed > (I thought the 7200 ultras were supposed to be the fastest). > Specific suggestions and sources would be much appreciated. > > Also, are airport cards for older g4s like mine available? (since > I have a wireless router already in use for my laptop). > > Thanks in advance, > > ~Jay > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From FromJay at joimail.com Wed Jan 3 19:39:04 2007 From: FromJay at joimail.com (JayB) Date: Wed Jan 3 19:37:59 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP In-Reply-To: <675920.70393.qm@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> References: <675920.70393.qm@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <247EB285-4BCB-4B76-8B6B-B0CAC4ECB2E3@joimail.com> Well of course it just blows me away how helpful you guys are. I've posed maybe 4 questions here over the last year and gotten solid, considered advice. Thanks. The reason I want to replace one of the drives (maybe both if cheap enough without losing speed) is, I think one may be about to crater. I'm running OS 9 on one and Panther on the other. I've seen some unexplained slowing of the performance (although it's only at 1/2 capacity) and a few times when running under the Panther drive, the OS 9 drive failed to show up on the desktop. I've run disk utility and Tech Tool Deluxe. I'll be dropping the OS 9 soon, but I like having the ability to go back to old software that I don't think I can upgrade or export (I've been running my photo biz on Macs since ''87). So, I was thinking I should just spend $50 and replace the suspect drive (or both). I just didn't think I could simply order any old IDE drive from Dealmac and plug and play. Will I need to buy a different ribbon for that option? ~And more importantly (I use this machine for retouching on Photoshop CS), is there going to be a drop in performance moving from the 7200 SCSI drive to an IDE? Perhaps this is a basic question, but I'm not familiar with either the terminology or differences in drives and controllers. Thanks again, ~Jay On Jan 3, 2007, at 5:57 PM, John Niven wrote: > Jay, > > You can fit three drives to your G4 so there is no > need to lose one. > > As you have spent money on a CPU upgrade (not my first > choice), you should upgrade your disk(s). There are > two factors 1) rotational speed and 2) data transfer > rate. > > The motherboards built-in interface is only ATA33 > which is slow by todays standards though modern, > faster drives will be backwards compatable. You will > be limited to 128Gb even if the drive is bigger. > However, it's still an advantage to have a high > rotational speed. Make sure it's 7200rpm. It will > "feel" more responsive. > > So you could add a third 128Gb for the cost of the > drive and a ribbon cable. > > Are you using OSX? If you are, you should use the disk > utility to create a RAID 0 (stripe) array with your > two 18G drives, and then put your OS on that array. > You get what appears to be a 36Gb drive that is ~ > double the speed and free! > > Next up the investment scale you can add a Sonnet > Serial ATA PCI card to hook up a >128Gb SATA drive. > This works very well for me with a Maxtor 250Gb SATA > drive providing the mass storage. > > However you can also just rip out your current scsi > devices and use the one SATA drive - I get comparable > read/write times between my SATA drive and a striped > pair of U160 SCSI drives that run from a ATTO UL3D pci > card. > > Don't buy an Airport card, buy a wireless G PCI card. > I have one by Belkin that works with OSX out the box. > You might be running out of PCI slots now ... :-) > > John > > --- JayB wrote: > >> I've looked back through 6 mos of archive and read >> the specs at >> 'lowendmac.com' but still don't feel l have >> confidence in knowing >> what I can buy to upgrade the internal drives in my >> G4/500 AGP >> (upgraded to an Sonnet ST 1ghtz). It has factory >> 2x18 Ultra2 SCSI / >> Dual card drives. >> >> My question is- can I buy pretty much any IDE drive >> to replace one or >> both the internals? I know about the 128mb max. >> But I just want to >> upgrade (cheaply) to larger drives without suffering >> speed (I thought >> the 7200 ultras were supposed to be the fastest). >> Specific >> suggestions and sources would be much appreciated. >> >> Also, are airport cards for older g4s like mine >> available? (since I >> have a wireless router already in use for my >> laptop). >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> ~Jay > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From robertmacleay at mac.com Wed Jan 3 21:04:55 2007 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Wed Jan 3 21:05:19 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP In-Reply-To: <20070104033804.8A6706F9064@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Something which everyone is assuming you understand, but no one has said aloud: You are NOT going to be able to unplug a SCSI drive and insert an ATA/IDE drive in its place. A SCSI controller works with SCSI drives, and an IDE controller works with IDE drives. The cables are NOT interchangeable. The only things they have in common are the drive sled and the power cable. Lucky you, there is a socket on the motherboard for attaching a pair of nice cheap ATA/IDE drives. Do buy a cable. If you are going to be using this Mac for any length of time, consider upgrading to a new controller card. When I added a now-obsolete ATA-133 card to my Blue & White G3 and transferred my old drive from the onboard controller to the new one, I saw disk transfer rates (measured with Quickbench) go up by about 50% across the board. You should see identical improvements with a first-generation G4. Go SATA (serial ATA) if you don't need compatibility with an existing ATA drive; it's even faster. On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:39:04 -0600, JayB wrote: > The reason I want to replace one of the drives (maybe both if cheap > enough without losing speed) is, I think one may be about to crater. > I'm running OS 9 on one and Panther on the other. I've seen some > unexplained slowing of the performance (although it's only at 1/2 > capacity) and a few times when running under the Panther drive, the > OS 9 drive failed to show up on the desktop. I've run disk utility > and Tech Tool Deluxe. I'll be dropping the OS 9 soon, but I like > having the ability to go back to old software that I don't think I > can upgrade or export (I've been running my photo biz on Macs since > ''87). > > So, I was thinking I should just spend $50 and replace the suspect > drive (or both). I just didn't think I could simply order any old > IDE drive from Dealmac and plug and play. Will I need to buy a > different ribbon for that option? From philip.robar at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 01:49:55 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Thu Jan 4 01:49:52 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP In-Reply-To: <675920.70393.qm@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> References: <675920.70393.qm@web51115.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jan 3, 2007, at 5:57 PM, John Niven wrote: > The motherboards built-in interface is only ATA33 > which is slow by todays standards though modern, > faster drives will be backwards compatable. You will > be limited to 128Gb even if the drive is bigger. Actually the "hard drive" ATA interface is ATA/66 or more properly ATA-5, which is a significant improvement over the ATA-3 interface in the PCI G4 and earlier machines. The "cdrom/ZIP" interface is ATA-3 and can also be used for a hard drive. Most modern drives run cool enough that they can live in the zip slot without a problem. Phil -- An intelligence service free to torture soon "degenerates into a playground for sadists." -- Bukovsky, Vladimir - Torture's Long Shadow From sumptin_sumptin at yahoo.com Thu Jan 4 12:46:23 2007 From: sumptin_sumptin at yahoo.com (Bobby Wade) Date: Thu Jan 4 12:46:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing a wireless card correctly Message-ID: <353767.57269.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, I am writing to ask if there is an illustration/graphic which depicts the proper method and place to install an Airport Extreme card on g4 400MHZ silver and blue tower? I am actually looking for a second depiction to give me perhaps a second opinion; the first was from the Support section on Apple's site. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rsmykla at verizon.net Thu Jan 4 19:12:05 2007 From: rsmykla at verizon.net (Rick Smykla) Date: Thu Jan 4 19:12:35 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing a wireless card correctly In-Reply-To: <353767.57269.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <353767.57269.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27177B9C-ECDC-4C98-B7B0-42105F7D28EE@verizon.net> Bobby, Airport Extreme does not work in older G4s. You'll need the original Airport card if you want to use the provided slot. If you really need/want to use 802.11g speeds, you'll need to go the USB or PCI adapter route. Rick On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Bobby Wade wrote: > Hello all, > > I am writing to ask if there is an > illustration/graphic which depicts the proper method > and place to install an Airport Extreme card on g4 > 400MHZ silver and blue tower? I am actually looking > for a second depiction to give me perhaps a second > opinion; the first was from the Support section on > Apple's site. From mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com Fri Jan 5 09:19:59 2007 From: mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com (Doug Burton) Date: Fri Jan 5 09:20:09 2007 Subject: [G4] Radiolover Message-ID: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> Does anyone use this program to capture streaming audio? I recently purchased it to use with Radio Paradise as I like the music they play. Now it appears that RP no longer has a streaming 192 link and have switched to Octoshape only. I have no problem listening to the link, but I don't know how to setup Radiolover to capture the audio. Any comments? Just a message from Doug... From macsys at mac.com Fri Jan 5 10:05:11 2007 From: macsys at mac.com (Wayne Wilkin) Date: Fri Jan 5 10:06:46 2007 Subject: [G4] Radiolover In-Reply-To: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> References: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <530DFCA8-2D46-404F-9026-B3E08094E968@mac.com> You might try Audio Hijack: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16382 On Jan 5, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Doug Burton wrote: > Does anyone use this program to capture streaming audio? I > recently purchased it to use with Radio Paradise as I like the > music they play. Now it appears that RP no longer has a streaming > 192 link and have switched to Octoshape only. I have no problem > listening to the link, but I don't know how to setup Radiolover to > capture the audio. Any comments? > > Just a message from Doug... > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Jan 5 10:08:20 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Jan 5 10:08:30 2007 Subject: [G4] Radiolover In-Reply-To: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> References: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Doug have you contacted Bitcartel Software for assistance? ---------------------------------------------------- On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Doug Burton wrote: > Does anyone use this program to capture streaming audio? I recently > purchased it to use with Radio Paradise as I like the music they play. > Now it appears that RP no longer has a streaming 192 link and have > switched to Octoshape only. I have no problem listening to the link, > but I don't know how to setup Radiolover to capture the audio. Any > comments? > > Just a message from Doug... > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From briang113 at pacbell.net Fri Jan 5 10:16:02 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Fri Jan 5 10:16:19 2007 Subject: [G4] Radiolover In-Reply-To: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> References: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: You might want to try Wiretap pro. it will capture and record anything that is playing on you Mac and save it in a variety of formats. There is a free demo download but it limits the features. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Doug Burton wrote: > Does anyone use this program to capture streaming audio? I > recently purchased it to use with Radio Paradise as I like the > music they play. Now it appears that RP no longer has a streaming > 192 link and have switched to Octoshape only. I have no problem > listening to the link, but I don't know how to setup Radiolover to > capture the audio. Any comments? > > Just a message from Doug... > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From mitchnickpictures at yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 10:33:25 2007 From: mitchnickpictures at yahoo.com (marla mitchnick) Date: Fri Jan 5 10:33:33 2007 Subject: [G4] How do I figure out which firmware update I need?? Message-ID: <264827.3304.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi there List-Pals, I have an old G4 dual processor power mac, 450 each processor. my mom gave it to me a while back when she got a newer one, and I do not know the actual model name, though I do have the serial number. I found a chart online about firmware updates, but I think it only has newer models, though I'm not certain (they use the code names and I don't know mine). I currently have OSX 10.2.8, and I have a disk to install Tiger. The instructions said to update my firmware before installing. Anyone out there have useful factoids on this??? Thanks! Marla __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com Fri Jan 5 10:41:19 2007 From: mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com (Doug Burton) Date: Fri Jan 5 10:41:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Radiolover In-Reply-To: References: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On Jan 5, 2007, at 1:08 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Doug have you contacted Bitcartel Software for assistance? > ---------------------------------------------------- Not directly, I'm presently reading the online help and have joined the mailing list. It's just kind of frustrating that I just sent the registration fee in for the program when RP decided to switch to Octoshape only for the 192 bit stream. And Wayne the link for Audio HiJack didn't go anywhere, but I'll check it out. Thanks Just a message from Doug... From peter at birrendesign.com Fri Jan 5 10:42:29 2007 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Fri Jan 5 10:42:48 2007 Subject: [G4] How do I figure out which firmware update I need?? In-Reply-To: <264827.3304.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <264827.3304.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <659663C5-B355-4D5D-9518-37D5351D71C3@birrendesign.com> Hi, Marla. I just did this to my G4/dual450 and it was painless. The firmware update is available though I don't know the exact address. Google will find it. - Peter On Jan 5, 2007, at 12:33 PM, marla mitchnick wrote: > I currently have OSX 10.2.8, and I have a disk to > install Tiger. The instructions said to update my > firmware before installing. From mitchnickpictures at yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 10:54:48 2007 From: mitchnickpictures at yahoo.com (marla mitchnick) Date: Fri Jan 5 10:54:52 2007 Subject: [G4] firmware continued Message-ID: <847085.17481.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Thanks for your reply, Peter, but I did a google search and it did not lead to a clear answer of which upgrade my particular machine needs. Do you happen to recall either the upgrade or else at least the model NAME of the G4 dual 450? Thanks, Marla __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From briang113 at pacbell.net Fri Jan 5 10:56:25 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Fri Jan 5 10:56:38 2007 Subject: [G4] How do I figure out which firmware update I need?? In-Reply-To: <264827.3304.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <264827.3304.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2837CC8D-3CF5-452E-A8CC-4F14F76B7512@pacbell.net> I am not positive but I think the only G4 dual 450 was a Gigabit Ethernet G4 If that is what you have you need this Firmware update Power Mac G4 (Gigabit Ethernet) Power Mac G4 Firmware Update 4.2.8 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120068 Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Jan 5, 2007, at 10:33 AM, marla mitchnick wrote: > Hi there List-Pals, > > I have an old G4 dual processor power mac, 450 each > processor. my mom gave it to me a while back when she > got a newer one, and I do not know the actual model > name, though I do have the serial number. > > I found a chart online about firmware updates, but I > think it only has newer models, though I'm not certain > (they use the code names and I don't know mine). > > I currently have OSX 10.2.8, and I have a disk to > install Tiger. The instructions said to update my > firmware before installing. > > Anyone out there have useful factoids on this??? > > Thanks! > > Marla > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070105/1d856b20/attachment.html From peter at birrendesign.com Fri Jan 5 11:37:29 2007 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Fri Jan 5 11:37:39 2007 Subject: [G4] firmware continued In-Reply-To: <847085.17481.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <847085.17481.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17C35977-3390-4225-A5EA-31172F4C7C0D@birrendesign.com> Go to: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117 Scroll down to G4 Gigabite Ethernet. Click on the highlighted number which will take you to: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html? artnum=120068 Download and have fun! - Peter On Jan 5, 2007, at 12:54 PM, marla mitchnick wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Peter, but I did a google > search and it did not lead to a clear answer of which > upgrade my particular machine needs. Do you happen to > recall either the upgrade or else at least the model > NAME of the G4 dual 450? From luscher at rogers.com Fri Jan 5 14:31:21 2007 From: luscher at rogers.com (Fred Luscher) Date: Fri Jan 5 14:31:30 2007 Subject: [G4] Radiolover In-Reply-To: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> References: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <0A8D9212-2010-43FB-B468-6FA547086FD8@rogers.com> Hi Doug, I just tried Audio Hijack Pro with Radio Paradise and it works great. ...fl... On Jan 5, 2007, at 12:19, Doug Burton wrote: > Does anyone use this program to capture streaming audio? I > recently purchased it to use with Radio Paradise as I like the > music they play... From mitchnickpictures at yahoo.com Fri Jan 5 14:39:35 2007 From: mitchnickpictures at yahoo.com (marla mitchnick) Date: Fri Jan 5 14:39:43 2007 Subject: [G4] thanks but still another firmware point to clarify Message-ID: <669252.93835.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Thanks you, compadres- Do you know of a way to find out what firmware I already have (it does not appear to be in system profiler)? When I started the update, it started to run classic 9.2, and, on closer perusal of the 4.2.8 rules I realize it said for G4's with 9.1 or higher, BUT NOT X, and I already have OSX, 10.2.8. Perhaps I already have this level of firmware? All useful ideas are welcome, Thanks again, Marla mitchnickpictures@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From baltwo at san.rr.com Fri Jan 5 15:14:00 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Fri Jan 5 15:14:22 2007 Subject: [G4] How do I figure out which firmware update I need?? In-Reply-To: <20070105184254.5048270C232@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070105184254.5048270C232@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 01/05/07, marla mitchnick wrote: > > I have an old G4 dual processor power mac, 450 each > processor. my mom gave it to me a while back when she > got a newer one, and I do not know the actual model > name, though I do have the serial number. > > I found a chart online about firmware updates, but I > think it only has newer models, though I'm not certain > (they use the code names and I don't know mine). > > I currently have OSX 10.2.8, and I have a disk to > install Tiger. The instructions said to update my > firmware before installing. > > Anyone out there have useful factoids on this??? More than likely, it's a Gigabit Ethernet machine, exactly what I have. The list of firmware updates is at . You need 4.2.8 available at . Download the one for your language. From briang113 at pacbell.net Fri Jan 5 16:29:53 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:30:03 2007 Subject: [G4] thanks but still another firmware point to clarify In-Reply-To: <669252.93835.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <669252.93835.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: from the Apple firmware update page If you are unsure whether your computer needs a particular update, simply download and open the update installer. If the update is already installed or not needed, the installer will alert you to this. Brian iBook G4 1.33 GHz 1.25 GB RAM On Jan 5, 2007, at 2:39 PM, marla mitchnick wrote: > Thanks you, compadres- > > Do you know of a way to find out what firmware I > already have (it does not appear to be in system > profiler)? > > When I started the update, it started to run classic > 9.2, and, on closer perusal of the 4.2.8 rules I > realize it said for G4's with 9.1 or higher, BUT NOT > X, and I already have OSX, 10.2.8. > > Perhaps I already have this level of firmware? > > All useful ideas are welcome, > > Thanks again, > > Marla > mitchnickpictures@yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jelmore at elmoredesign.com Fri Jan 5 16:32:20 2007 From: jelmore at elmoredesign.com (Jim Elmore) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:32:33 2007 Subject: [G4] Radiolover In-Reply-To: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> References: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <805B9AD8-0D26-4BE5-A94F-6CB0539D61FF@elmoredesign.com> While Audio Hijack works great, what Radio Lover brings is the ability to split the stream into songs. However, I never could get it to work very accurately, so I gave up and just use Audio Hijack to record an hour's worth of music on a regular schedule. That gets a nice collection of recorded music for the iPod, especially from Radio Paradise, but you don't get any song information. On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Doug Burton wrote: > Does anyone use this program to capture streaming audio? I > recently purchased it to use with Radio Paradise as I like the > music they play. Now it appears that RP no longer has a streaming > 192 link and have switched to Octoshape only. I have no problem > listening to the link, but I don't know how to setup Radiolover to > capture the audio. Any comments? > > Just a message from Doug... > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com Fri Jan 5 16:35:29 2007 From: mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com (Doug Burton) Date: Fri Jan 5 16:42:07 2007 Subject: [G4] Radiolover In-Reply-To: <0A8D9212-2010-43FB-B468-6FA547086FD8@rogers.com> References: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> <0A8D9212-2010-43FB-B468-6FA547086FD8@rogers.com> Message-ID: <254583c484432af9f20af053a426ec39@roadrunner.com> On Jan 5, 2007, at 5:31 PM, Fred Luscher wrote: > Hi Doug, > > I just tried Audio Hijack Pro with Radio Paradise and it works great. > > ...fl... Yeah I went ahead and bought Audio Hijack and it does work, but the problem is that Radiolover saves the individual songs as MP3's and it takes up far less HD space. I have an email into the folks at Bitcartel Software and hope to have an answer soon. Just a message from Doug... From earle.jones at comcast.net Fri Jan 5 18:00:57 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Fri Jan 5 18:01:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing a wireless card correctly In-Reply-To: <27177B9C-ECDC-4C98-B7B0-42105F7D28EE@verizon.net> References: <353767.57269.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <27177B9C-ECDC-4C98-B7B0-42105F7D28EE@verizon.net> Message-ID: <607FEE38-F4A3-4142-B338-11BCE1331AA7@comcast.net> On Jan 4, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Rick Smykla wrote: > Bobby, > > Airport Extreme does not work in older G4s. You'll need the > original Airport card if you want to use the provided slot. > If you really need/want to use 802.11g speeds, you'll need to go > the USB or PCI adapter route. > > Rick * ...and those older original Airport cards are a bit hard to find. Certainly they aren't being manufactured any more. I bought a used one for my G4/400 and it cost me a bit over US$100. The new Airport Extreme cards are something like $70 or $80. Try eBay or Craig's List. earle * From mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com Fri Jan 5 18:03:56 2007 From: mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com (Doug Burton) Date: Fri Jan 5 18:04:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Radiolover In-Reply-To: <805B9AD8-0D26-4BE5-A94F-6CB0539D61FF@elmoredesign.com> References: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> <805B9AD8-0D26-4BE5-A94F-6CB0539D61FF@elmoredesign.com> Message-ID: <28865fc0889c304618ec5348defe4cb0@roadrunner.com> On Jan 5, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Jim Elmore wrote: > While Audio Hijack works great, what Radio Lover brings is the ability > to split the stream into songs. However, I never could get it to work > very accurately, so I gave up and just use Audio Hijack to record an > hour's worth of music on a regular schedule. That gets a nice > collection of recorded music for the iPod, especially from Radio > Paradise, but you don't get any song information. You are indeed correct Jim, but the way I do is to let it go for a day and a half or so, then check iTunes to see what has been downloaded. Then I open Amadeus II and the files of the ones I want to save and usually the song right before it to get any missing data. To me it's much easier than sifting through an hours worth of music at a time. I take it you never did have any luck with the settings in Radiolover to alter how the songs are split? I never got to try that feature as I lost my stream before I got the chance to play around much with it. Have you experimented with the 128AAC streams? Bill says they are as good or better than the 192 rate. I could not get them to work with VLC at all. Just a message from Doug... From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jan 5 18:43:32 2007 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Fri Jan 5 18:43:45 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing a wireless card correctly In-Reply-To: <607FEE38-F4A3-4142-B338-11BCE1331AA7@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 6/1/2007 1:00 PM, "Earle Jones" wrote: > * > ...and those older original Airport cards are a bit hard to find. > Certainly they aren't being manufactured any more. I bought a used > one for my G4/400 and it cost me a bit over US$100. The new Airport > Extreme cards are something like $70 or $80. Not manufactured, but there must have been an oversupply as it is still possible to buy new ones still in the box. I found one on eBay just a few months ago for an old iBook. It works fine, but did take quite a bit of jiggling and possibly a swear word or two before it connected just right. Tony http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Fri Jan 5 18:50:33 2007 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Fri Jan 5 18:50:44 2007 Subject: [G4] firmware continued In-Reply-To: <847085.17481.qm@web55304.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/1/2007 5:54 AM, "marla mitchnick" wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Peter, but I did a google > search and it did not lead to a clear answer of which > upgrade my particular machine needs. Do you happen to > recall either the upgrade or else at least the model > NAME of the G4 dual 450? Marla there is a beaut little programme called MacTracker which lists detailed tech specs, and has notes on things like model names etc It is free, and works like a charm for every Mac ever made, You find it at: http://www.mactracker.ca Using your model number you will be able to determine when your machine was manufactured and all it's original details. Tony http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art From wogears at fast.net Fri Jan 5 18:51:50 2007 From: wogears at fast.net (Les Berkley) Date: Fri Jan 5 18:52:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing a wireless card correctly In-Reply-To: <607FEE38-F4A3-4142-B338-11BCE1331AA7@comcast.net> Message-ID: <017601c7313d$9d42b830$6501a8c0@winnie> Hullo! The Belkin F5D-6050 USB wireless adapter has a Mac driver. I have it working perfectly under 10.4.8. The driver only lists 10.3.x, but when I upgraded Panther to Tiger, it worked better! And it cost me $10 on the auction site. Les > -----Original Message----- > From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4- > bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Earle Jones > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:01 PM > To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. > Subject: Re: [G4] Installing a wireless card correctly > > > On Jan 4, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Rick Smykla wrote: > > > Bobby, > > > > Airport Extreme does not work in older G4s. You'll need the > > original Airport card if you want to use the provided slot. > > If you really need/want to use 802.11g speeds, you'll need to go > > the USB or PCI adapter route. > > > > Rick -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/609 - Release Date: 12/29/2006 From philip.robar at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 22:48:17 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Fri Jan 5 22:48:14 2007 Subject: [G4] thanks but still another firmware point to clarify In-Reply-To: <669252.93835.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <669252.93835.qm@web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8D3BEA0E-EC57-4AA5-B9D5-A273320B7163@gmail.com> On Jan 5, 2007, at 4:39 PM, marla mitchnick wrote: > Do you know of a way to find out what firmware I > already have (it does not appear to be in system > profiler)? Apple menu -> About this Mac -> click on the "More Info..." button In the Hardware Overview window you're looking for "Boot ROM Version". Phil -- "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe, 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution From philip.robar at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 23:01:31 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Fri Jan 5 23:01:25 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing a wireless card correctly In-Reply-To: <607FEE38-F4A3-4142-B338-11BCE1331AA7@comcast.net> References: <353767.57269.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <27177B9C-ECDC-4C98-B7B0-42105F7D28EE@verizon.net> <607FEE38-F4A3-4142-B338-11BCE1331AA7@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Jan 5, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Earle Jones wrote: > ...and those older original Airport cards are a bit hard to find. > Certainly they aren't being manufactured any more. I bought a used > one for my G4/400 and it cost me a bit over US$100. The new Airport > Extreme cards are something like $70 or $80. Other World Computing (OWC), aka www.macsales.com, has them for $85. Personally I'd go for a USB or PCI solution as suggested in another post. Phil -- "The United States is putting together a Constitution now for Iraq. Why don't we just give them ours? It's served us well for 200 years, and we don't appear to be using it anymore, so what the hell?" --Jay Leno From msf at seanet.com Sat Jan 6 06:23:29 2007 From: msf at seanet.com (Michael Fruin) Date: Sat Jan 6 06:23:59 2007 Subject: [G4] please remove Message-ID: <3DF79D12-B9A0-420C-B47A-FF26FD6960CC@seanet.com> From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sat Jan 6 09:24:20 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sat Jan 6 09:24:19 2007 Subject: [G4] please remove In-Reply-To: <3DF79D12-B9A0-420C-B47A-FF26FD6960CC@seanet.com> References: <3DF79D12-B9A0-420C-B47A-FF26FD6960CC@seanet.com> Message-ID: <459FDB44.7060303@dslextreme.com> Michael Fruin wrote: > _______________________________________________ I suspect you're trying to unsubscribe from the G4 list? Go to the second ">" line below, which appears on all messages, but which I will repeat here, for your convenience: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 All you need to know to unsubscribe is there. If you had other questions, please ask. keith whaley > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From earle.jones at comcast.net Sat Jan 6 10:27:01 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Sat Jan 6 10:27:12 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing a wireless card correctly In-Reply-To: References: <353767.57269.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <27177B9C-ECDC-4C98-B7B0-42105F7D28EE@verizon.net> <607FEE38-F4A3-4142-B338-11BCE1331AA7@comcast.net> Message-ID: <660A8A9E-DF99-4D74-9027-54FA4BF332F5@comcast.net> On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:01 PM, Philip J Robar wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Earle Jones wrote: > >> ...and those older original Airport cards are a bit hard to find. >> Certainly they aren't being manufactured any more. I bought a used >> one for my G4/400 and it cost me a bit over US$100. The new >> Airport Extreme cards are something like $70 or $80. > > Other World Computing (OWC), aka www.macsales.com, has them for > $85. Personally I'd go for a USB or PCI solution as suggested in > another post. > > Phil * Phil: I believe that $85 OWC Airport Card is for powerbooks, not the G4/400 desktop. earle * From FromJay at joimail.com Sat Jan 6 12:55:32 2007 From: FromJay at joimail.com (JayB) Date: Sat Jan 6 12:54:29 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing a wireless card correctly In-Reply-To: <660A8A9E-DF99-4D74-9027-54FA4BF332F5@comcast.net> References: <353767.57269.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <27177B9C-ECDC-4C98-B7B0-42105F7D28EE@verizon.net> <607FEE38-F4A3-4142-B338-11BCE1331AA7@comcast.net> <660A8A9E-DF99-4D74-9027-54FA4BF332F5@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2A87327C-B649-4CD6-BB93-660397DF5C43@joimail.com> FWIW, I just ordered the AftertheMac.com USB WIFI adapter for $50. I intend on using on my G4 tower and try it out on my 15" G4 Pbook (range absolutely sucks on the aluminum Pbooks Airport). They claim huge increase in range over the Airport cards. We shall see. I'll report back on how it works out late next week. -Jay On Jan 6, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Earle Jones wrote: > > On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:01 PM, Philip J Robar wrote: > >> >> On Jan 5, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Earle Jones wrote: >> >>> ...and those older original Airport cards are a bit hard to find. >>> Certainly they aren't being manufactured any more. I bought a >>> used one for my G4/400 and it cost me a bit over US$100. The new >>> Airport Extreme cards are something like $70 or $80. >> >> Other World Computing (OWC), aka www.macsales.com, has them for >> $85. Personally I'd go for a USB or PCI solution as suggested in >> another post. >> >> Phil > > * > Phil: I believe that $85 OWC Airport Card is for powerbooks, not > the G4/400 desktop. > > earle > * > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jrheald at wans.net Sat Jan 6 13:30:41 2007 From: jrheald at wans.net (JRHeald) Date: Sat Jan 6 13:30:59 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Model M5183 Message-ID: <003101c731d9$eeb17520$28a2f004@Diesel1> I have a Power Mac G4 model no. M5183, serial no.XB12308DKL1, that I thought was a "D/A" model since it has a 733 MHz processor. When I search for model numbers in MacTracker, the model number says it's the AGP Graphics model (max processor speed of 500MHz) or a G3 Blue and White (max processor speed of 400MHz). The labeling on the back of the Mac appears to be original, so what exactly do I have? I'm confused and would appreciate some clarification. Thanks for the help. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070106/d501853a/attachment.html From rich at richardklein.org Sat Jan 6 13:54:02 2007 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Sat Jan 6 13:54:16 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Model M5183 In-Reply-To: <003101c731d9$eeb17520$28a2f004@Diesel1> References: <003101c731d9$eeb17520$28a2f004@Diesel1> Message-ID: <45A01A7A.80600@richardklein.org> JRHeald wrote: > I have a Power Mac G4 model no. M5183, serial no.XB12308DKL1, that I > thought was a "D/A" model since it has a 733 MHz processor. When I > search for model numbers in MacTracker, the model number says it's the > AGP Graphics model (max processor speed of 500MHz) or a G3 Blue and > White (max processor speed of 400MHz). The labeling on the back of the > Mac appears to be original, so what exactly do I have? I'm confused and > would appreciate some clarification. Thanks for the help. > > John John, Go to this page and type your serial number in: http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html Or, I could just save you the trouble and tell you that it is, indeed, a D/A. Your model number doesn't match, but maybe it's just the model number for the case alone or something. You can double check that at this page: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58418 and you can also go to this page and type your serial number into the second box on the right side of the page: http://support.apple.com/specs/ I used to work with a John Heald in Littleton, MA. You're not the same John Heald, are you? -- Rich From java_j at macosx.com Sat Jan 6 14:38:56 2007 From: java_j at macosx.com (Carol) Date: Sat Jan 6 14:37:51 2007 Subject: [G4] LG GCC-4520B in Sawtooth Message-ID: <45A02500.8090505@macosx.com> Hi folks, Way back in the days of OS 9, I replaced the cd/dvd reader in my Sawtooth with a LG DVD/CDRW Combo drive, GCC-4520B. Only today did I realize that I could get the drive supported by Peak LE 5.01 by installing Patchburn 3. What I want to know is if anyone has this drive, in a Sawtooth or not, and if so, what brands and speeds of recently purchased CD-Rs tend to work for audio burns. This issue started when I noticed that I was consistently getting bad sounding burns with Toast 6 using Taiyo Yuden 52x blanks but my Sony 24x blanks were fine. (The T.Y. blanks burned fine in my MDD, which has the original superdrive.) I have since tried a single Verbatim 52x CD-R and a single 48x TDK in the Sawtooth. Both failed the verification in Peak LE. My very last Sony 24x passed the verification. Maybe I shoud not complain since the drive that came with the computer did not burn at all. I replaced the drive because it no longer played reliably, the burning ability was a plus. Now I want it. What are your thoughts on external firewire 400 burners? Should I try one of those with the Sawtooth? It is a 400 MHz PowerPC G4 running OS 10.3.9. Carol From jomph at xs4all.nl Sat Jan 6 15:38:19 2007 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Sat Jan 6 15:38:34 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Model M5183 In-Reply-To: <003101c731d9$eeb17520$28a2f004@Diesel1> Message-ID: On 06-01-2007 22:30, JRHeald, jrheald@wans.net, wrote: I have a Power Mac G4 model no. M5183, serial no.XB12308DKL1, that I thought was a "D/A" model since it has a 733 MHz processor. When I search for model numbers in MacTracker, the model number says it's the AGP Graphics model (max processor speed of 500MHz) or a G3 Blue and White (max processor speed of 400MHz). The labeling on the back of the Mac appears to be original, so what exactly do I have? I'm confused and would appreciate some clarification. Thanks for the help. John John, Searching your Serial Number I found the following: Serial number: XB12308DKL1 Name: Power Macintosh G4 (Digital Audio) Model: M7681 PowerMac G4 733MHz Bus speed: 133MHz Factory: XB (ElkGrove/Sacramento, California) URL: Technical specifications by apple-history.com code_to_number: 08D - Model introduced: 2001 Production year: 2001 Production week: 23 (June) Production number: 285 (within this week) HTH, Jo Hissel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070107/96c00bfc/attachment.html From michael at wbsnet.org Sat Jan 6 15:38:28 2007 From: michael at wbsnet.org (R Michael Vogt) Date: Sat Jan 6 15:38:39 2007 Subject: [G4] LG GCC-4520B in Sawtooth In-Reply-To: <45A02500.8090505@macosx.com> References: <45A02500.8090505@macosx.com> Message-ID: <239076A7-9B05-44FC-9B7A-26499C842217@wbsnet.org> I have a Sawtooth I have superdrive from OWC got it for $45 Also I use Peal Le you can Run Tiger on the sawtooth if you like also then you don't have to use patch burn On Jan 6, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Carol wrote: > > > I have since tried a single Verbatim 52x CD-R and a single 48x TDK > in the Sawtooth. Both failed the verification in Peak LE. My very > last Sony 24x passed the verification. > > > What are your thoughts on external firewire 400 burners? Should I > try one of those with the Sawtooth? It is a 400 MHz PowerPC G4 > running OS 10.3.9. > > Carol > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From dancurr at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 6 16:17:09 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Sat Jan 6 16:17:23 2007 Subject: [G4] Oooops!! Message-ID: <45A03C05.9040102@frontiernet.net> Hello All, I am driving an MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 320 GB HD / NETSCAPE 7.2 / OS X.4.7 and while I was "cleaning house" and trying to get rid of unwanted and unneeded things I have unintentionally somehow set my Appleworks to Open at Startup and I can not find where the off switch is located. Suggestions!? Dan a. Currie, Jr. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070106/f6cbe076/attachment.html From sng at cox.net Sat Jan 6 16:28:30 2007 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Sat Jan 6 16:28:53 2007 Subject: [G4] Oooops!! In-Reply-To: <45A03C05.9040102@frontiernet.net> References: <45A03C05.9040102@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: At 6:17 PM -0600 1/6/07, Dan A Currie wrote: >I have unintentionally somehow set my Appleworks to Open at Startup >and I can not find where the off switch is located. System Preferences > System Accounts > Login Items: highlight and press "-" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070106/6add6337/attachment.html From mitchnickpictures at yahoo.com Sat Jan 6 17:36:47 2007 From: mitchnickpictures at yahoo.com (marla mitchnick) Date: Sat Jan 6 17:36:55 2007 Subject: [G4] how to trash "locked items?" Message-ID: <524480.34402.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Y'all- I backed up everything the other day, and some doubled stuff ended up in the trash. I really need the space, but I am getting an message asking "continue" or "stop" because the following item is locked. When I hit continue, it just lists another locked item, all .pdf files that I do not recogbize, there seem to be hundreds of them. Perhaps they are individual mail files (copies of my plists from mail are in the trash)? Any suggestions on how to override this, or at least how to find out which files these are? Thanks, Marla __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From michael at wbsnet.org Sat Jan 6 17:45:26 2007 From: michael at wbsnet.org (R Michael Vogt) Date: Sat Jan 6 17:45:35 2007 Subject: [G4] how to trash "locked items?" In-Reply-To: <524480.34402.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <524480.34402.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8402B39A-492C-43E2-9598-606D4F90F07A@wbsnet.org> Marla You need to pull the item out of the trash click on 1 time then get more info then go Ownership & permissions at the bottom click on the black diamond then you will see the lock click on the lock and unlock it On Jan 6, 2007, at 6:36 PM, marla mitchnick wrote: > > > Any suggestions on how to override this, or at least > how to find out which files these are? > > Thanks, > > Marla > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From glennsan at mac.com Sat Jan 6 17:50:07 2007 From: glennsan at mac.com (Glenn Peterson) Date: Sat Jan 6 17:50:25 2007 Subject: [G4] how to trash "locked items?" In-Reply-To: <8402B39A-492C-43E2-9598-606D4F90F07A@wbsnet.org> References: <524480.34402.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <8402B39A-492C-43E2-9598-606D4F90F07A@wbsnet.org> Message-ID: <9FCC8572-9857-400C-9664-9868DC21950A@mac.com> Marla, You can also try holding down the option key when you have locked items to delete. It usually works for me. Glenn On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:45 PM, R Michael Vogt wrote: > Marla > You need to pull the item out of the trash click on 1 time then get > more info then go Ownership & permissions at the bottom click on > the black diamond then you will see the lock click on the lock and > unlock it > On Jan 6, 2007, at 6:36 PM, marla mitchnick wrote: > >> >> >> Any suggestions on how to override this, or at least >> how to find out which files these are? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Marla >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From sng at cox.net Sat Jan 6 17:54:57 2007 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Sat Jan 6 17:55:11 2007 Subject: [G4] how to trash "locked items?" In-Reply-To: <524480.34402.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <524480.34402.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In System 9.x, one could force an empty of the Trash by holding down the option key and issuing the Empty Trash command. I do not know if it works in OS X, however. Sometimes, you need to Restart so that the files in question will not be in use, though that doesn't seem to be your problem. The other thing that you can do is to go into Terminal and force deletion with everything in the Trash Folder with a sudo command. But, best make sure what you are deleting first. --Steve At 5:36 PM -0800 1/6/07, marla mitchnick wrote: >Any suggestions on how to override this, From ronmichael at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 18:55:43 2007 From: ronmichael at gmail.com (Ron Michael) Date: Sat Jan 6 18:55:55 2007 Subject: [G4] how to trash "locked items?" In-Reply-To: <524480.34402.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <524480.34402.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Take the item you want to delete out of the trash. Highlight it with your cursor. Just highlight it--DON'T OPEN IT. Look at the screen with all the info such as "More Info", "Name & Extension", "Open With", Right above "More Info", you'll see a box beside "Stationary Pad" and a box beside "Locked". Uncheck the "Locked" Box. The trash should now empty. -- Sometimes another trick will work. Hold the "option" key down while you empty trash. While I'm on the subject. I always use "Secure Empty Trash". This makes sure it gone from your hard drive forever. Ron in Memphis From jekrauss at charter.net Sun Jan 7 03:30:21 2007 From: jekrauss at charter.net (Jay E. Krauss Jr) Date: Sun Jan 7 03:30:40 2007 Subject: [G4] how to trash "locked items?" In-Reply-To: <524480.34402.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <524480.34402.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Marla, All the offered suggestions should work; however, I've found the easiest way to force trash emptying is to chose "Secure Empty Trash" under the Apple Menu. In the few instances where that hasn't been effective, holding the option key while choosing "Secure Empty Trash" has worked. Jay >Hi Y'all- > >I backed up everything the other day, and some doubled >stuff ended up in the trash. I really need the space, >but I am getting an message asking "continue" or >"stop" because the following item is locked. > >When I hit continue, it just lists another locked >item, all .pdf files that I do not recogbize, there >seem to be hundreds of them. Perhaps they are >individual mail files (copies of my plists from mail >are in the trash)? > >Any suggestions on how to override this, or at least >how to find out which files these are? > >Thanks, > >Marla > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From nagable at comcast.net Sun Jan 7 19:46:30 2007 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Sun Jan 7 19:46:44 2007 Subject: [G4] how to trash "locked items?" Message-ID: <010820070346.13910.45A1BE96000939530000365622007358340A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Thanks, Jay. I didn't even know "Secure Empty Trash" existed (duhhh...). Nate -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jay E. Krauss Jr" > Marla, > All the offered suggestions should work; however, I've found > the easiest way to force trash emptying is to chose "Secure Empty > Trash" under the Apple Menu. In the few instances where that hasn't > been effective, holding the option key while choosing "Secure Empty > Trash" has worked. > Jay From philip.robar at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 19:46:11 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Sun Jan 7 19:49:57 2007 Subject: [G4] Installing a wireless card correctly In-Reply-To: <660A8A9E-DF99-4D74-9027-54FA4BF332F5@comcast.net> References: <353767.57269.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <27177B9C-ECDC-4C98-B7B0-42105F7D28EE@verizon.net> <607FEE38-F4A3-4142-B338-11BCE1331AA7@comcast.net> <660A8A9E-DF99-4D74-9027-54FA4BF332F5@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Earle Jones wrote: > On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:01 PM, Philip J Robar wrote: > >> On Jan 5, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Earle Jones wrote: >> >>> ...and those older original Airport cards are a bit hard to find. >>> Certainly they aren't being manufactured any more. I bought a >>> used one for my G4/400 and it cost me a bit over US$100. The new >>> Airport Extreme cards are something like $70 or $80. >> >> Other World Computing (OWC), aka www.macsales.com, has them for >> $85. Personally I'd go for a USB or PCI solution as suggested in >> another post. > > Phil: I believe that $85 OWC Airport Card is for powerbooks, not > the G4/400 desktop. The same card is used for both. Phil -- An intelligence service free to torture soon "degenerates into a playground for sadists." -- Bukovsky, Vladimir - Torture's Long Shadow From briang113 at pacbell.net Mon Jan 8 11:00:54 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Mon Jan 8 11:01:02 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FE4A8C1-828A-4424-B31F-9526F2A86937@pacbell.net> If you are still looking for a drive I saw this ad in the paper yesterday Office Depot Maxtor? L01P100 100GB Internal ATA Hard Drive, 7200 RPM SAVE $50 $29.99 After $50 Mail-In Savings ( In Store Price $79.99) thru Jan 13 Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Jan 3, 2007, at 1:51 PM, JayB wrote: > I've looked back through 6 mos of archive and read the specs at > 'lowendmac.com' but still don't feel l have confidence in knowing > what I can buy to upgrade the internal drives in my G4/500 AGP > (upgraded to an Sonnet ST 1ghtz). It has factory 2x18 Ultra2 > SCSI / Dual card drives. > > My question is- can I buy pretty much any IDE drive to replace one > or both the internals? I know about the 128mb max. But I just > want to upgrade (cheaply) to larger drives without suffering speed > (I thought the 7200 ultras were supposed to be the fastest). > Specific suggestions and sources would be much appreciated. > > Also, are airport cards for older g4s like mine available? (since > I have a wireless router already in use for my laptop). > > Thanks in advance, > > ~Jay > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From peter at birrendesign.com Mon Jan 8 11:03:39 2007 From: peter at birrendesign.com (Peter Birren) Date: Mon Jan 8 11:03:56 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP In-Reply-To: <3FE4A8C1-828A-4424-B31F-9526F2A86937@pacbell.net> References: <3FE4A8C1-828A-4424-B31F-9526F2A86937@pacbell.net> Message-ID: I installed this exact drive in my G4/450x2 last month and (so far) it's working as it's supposed to. - Peter On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:00 PM, B G wrote: > Office Depot > Maxtor? L01P100 100GB Internal ATA Hard Drive, 7200 RPM > SAVE $50 > > $29.99 > After $50 Mail-In Savings > ( In Store Price $79.99) thru Jan 13 From jruuska at aol.com Mon Jan 8 11:49:50 2007 From: jruuska at aol.com (Jay Ruuska) Date: Mon Jan 8 11:50:14 2007 Subject: [G4] Software to read CD/DVD brand In-Reply-To: <459982FD.4020204@macosx.com> Message-ID: Search for "dvdmediainspector" for an application (Mac OS X) that will tell you the manufacturer of DVD discs. Does not work with CDs though. > From: Carol > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:54:05 -0800 > To: G4List > Subject: [G4] Software to read CD/DVD brand > > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone know of any software for OS 10.3.9 that will tell me what > brand of disc I have? As you all must know, not all discs are branded. > > Carol > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From FromJay at joimail.com Mon Jan 8 13:57:00 2007 From: FromJay at joimail.com (JayB) Date: Mon Jan 8 13:55:56 2007 Subject: [G4] Internal Hard Drive compatibility for AGP In-Reply-To: <3FE4A8C1-828A-4424-B31F-9526F2A86937@pacbell.net> References: <3FE4A8C1-828A-4424-B31F-9526F2A86937@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <722B1091-2909-429F-BB3C-FE0B7D9FFBD0@joimail.com> Thanks Brian! -Jay On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:00 PM, B G wrote: > If you are still looking for a drive I saw this ad in the paper > yesterday > > Office Depot > Maxtor? L01P100 100GB Internal ATA Hard Drive, 7200 RPM > SAVE $50 > > $29.99 > After $50 Mail-In Savings > ( In Store Price $79.99) > thru Jan 13 > > Brian > > G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM > > On Jan 3, 2007, at 1:51 PM, JayB wrote: > >> I've looked back through 6 mos of archive and read the specs at >> 'lowendmac.com' but still don't feel l have confidence in knowing >> what I can buy to upgrade the internal drives in my G4/500 AGP >> (upgraded to an Sonnet ST 1ghtz). It has factory 2x18 Ultra2 >> SCSI / Dual card drives. >> >> My question is- can I buy pretty much any IDE drive to replace one >> or both the internals? I know about the 128mb max. But I just >> want to upgrade (cheaply) to larger drives without suffering speed >> (I thought the 7200 ultras were supposed to be the fastest). >> Specific suggestions and sources would be much appreciated. >> >> Also, are airport cards for older g4s like mine available? (since >> I have a wireless router already in use for my laptop). >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> ~Jay >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com Tue Jan 9 15:16:04 2007 From: mdd867x2 at roadrunner.com (Doug Burton) Date: Tue Jan 9 15:39:05 2007 Subject: [G4] Radiolover (Update) In-Reply-To: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> References: <50334eb07a60a1a8de45cd91f23806d9@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <567df00ee98802551813f76262a8f9a4@roadrunner.com> On Jan 5, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Doug Burton wrote: > Does anyone use this program to capture streaming audio? I recently > purchased it to use with Radio Paradise as I like the music they play. > Now it appears that RP no longer has a streaming 192 link and have > switched to Octoshape only. I have no problem listening to the link, > but I don't know how to setup Radiolover to capture the audio. Any > comments? I did hear from Bitcartel about the problem. I was able to drag the link from iTunes into Radiolover and it works fine. My biggest problem was not knowing where to find the link in iTunes to drag. Now I need to play around with the settings to see if I can adjust it so I get closer to the actual beginning and end points of the song. Thanks to all who responded. Just a message from Doug... From brettcaven at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 21:12:04 2007 From: brettcaven at gmail.com (Brett Caven) Date: Tue Jan 9 21:12:12 2007 Subject: [G4] Apple Computer is now Apple Message-ID: <944d273d0701092112i6fabd53cv4827caa1b04655ba@mail.gmail.com> Apple Computer, Inc. is now Apple Inc. (for those who haven't heard)... -- -Brett From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Tue Jan 9 21:37:35 2007 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Tue Jan 9 21:37:44 2007 Subject: [G4] Apple Computer is now Apple In-Reply-To: <944d273d0701092112i6fabd53cv4827caa1b04655ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10/1/2007 4:12 PM, "Brett Caven" wrote: > Apple Computer, Inc. is now Apple Inc. (for those who haven't heard)... About time, Apple is an Innovation company, always has been when Steve has been around, which is why they made great computers (when he was around) because innovation as the central ethos has been the key to Steve's thinking. It is also appropriate in an age where debate has arisen due to the expressed beliefs of many key people in computing that the era of the PC is coming to an end. In this world the PC will become less important as other devices and appliances gain computer-like functions and the PC becomes a behind the scenes integrator of interfaces that pop up everywhere. Look at this new iPhone, it is pretty smart for a phone. The Star Trek situation where computer functionality is built into everything and has a central core and no individual independant desktops exist is not too far away. This central functionality could easily occur at some distant location with all functions accessed via internet connection. There are many signs, like Google Apps that show that the early stages of this are already occurring. Dropping the word 'computer' from the name is wise and shows Apple is still at the cutting edge of technology and prepared for a future in which Apple product continues to develop the future world. Tony Johansen http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art From rshaneboughton at yahoo.com Wed Jan 10 17:12:29 2007 From: rshaneboughton at yahoo.com (R. Shane Boughton) Date: Wed Jan 10 17:12:35 2007 Subject: [G4] Large Hard Drive Install Message-ID: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> I have a Maxtor ATA/100 internal hard drive, 200 GB. My G4 450 only reads it as 32 GB. I installed a PCI host adapter card but it still only reads as 32 GB. The Maxtor drive box says that I will need an ATA PCI card with 48-bit BIOS support. The card I bought is only a 32-bit (card info here - http://www.macsense.com/product/storage/sua-100e_b.html). Could that be the problem? Is there a fix other than buying another PCI card? Thanks, ShaneB ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From rich at richardklein.org Wed Jan 10 17:25:18 2007 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Wed Jan 10 17:25:35 2007 Subject: [G4] Switching internal optical drive to external case In-Reply-To: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> References: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45A591FE.3080801@richardklein.org> I gave my little sister a 450MHz Gigabit Ethernet a while back. It seemed fine when it was here, but it's been pretty flaky for her since she got it. She's in Georgia and I'm in Massachusetts which makes it tough to fix anything for her. The biggest problem is that it rarely recognizes any discs inserted into the optical drive. It's a Pioneer DVR111 that I bought brand new and installed just before I sent the computer to her. I saw this external case go on sale: http://www.dealsonic.com/plpmsicousb2.html I figure her disc problems are probably from a failing IDE controller on the motherboard, so maybe putting the drive in a firewire case will let her get some use out of it. How will the G4 (running OS X Tiger) deal with having an external optical drive, but no internal optical drive? Has anyone tried this? -- Thanks, Rich From philip.robar at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 17:29:23 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Wed Jan 10 17:29:40 2007 Subject: [G4] Large Hard Drive Install In-Reply-To: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> References: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0C7951E9-222E-487D-8D01-D627CE82F8DC@gmail.com> On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:12 PM, R. Shane Boughton wrote: > I have a Maxtor ATA/100 internal hard drive, 200 GB. My G4 450 only > reads it as 32 GB. I installed a PCI host adapter card but it still > only reads as 32 GB. > > The Maxtor drive box says that I will need an ATA PCI card with 48- > bit BIOS support. The card I bought is > only a 32-bit (card info here - http://www.macsense.com/product/ > storage/sua-100e_b.html). Could that be the problem? The URL you give above says that the card is 48 bit. Even if it were only 32 bit you'd still be able to get a 128 GB partition from the drive. Have you looked at the drive in Disk Utility? If so did you partition and format it for use with OS X (as opposed to Windows)? Phil -- "The United States is putting together a Constitution now for Iraq. Why don't we just give them ours? It's served us well for 200 years, and we don't appear to be using it anymore, so what the hell?" --Jay Leno From philip.robar at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 17:46:29 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Wed Jan 10 17:46:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Switching internal optical drive to external case In-Reply-To: <45A591FE.3080801@richardklein.org> References: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> <45A591FE.3080801@richardklein.org> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Richard Klein wrote: > How will the G4 (running OS X Tiger) deal with having an external > optical drive, but no internal optical drive? Has anyone tried this? Internal vs external is only an issue for a few Apple applications (DVD player, iMovie, and iMovie HD come to mind) that have to abide by certain CODEC licensing issues - in which case they only work with internal drives that are recognized as Apple Superdrives. In all other aspects there isn't any difference between internal and external other than Firewire being slower than ATA- which won't matter for CD and DVD drives anyway. Phil Phil -- "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke From britchey11 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 10 17:58:14 2007 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Wed Jan 10 17:58:22 2007 Subject: [G4] Large Hard Drive Install In-Reply-To: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <853683.53414.qm@web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have an 2 internals in my g4 400, i have been told several times that the machine can only use 100g internals. "R. Shane Boughton" wrote: I have a Maxtor ATA/100 internal hard drive, 200 GB. My G4 450 only reads it as 32 GB. I installed a PCI host adapter card but it still only reads as 32 GB. The Maxtor drive box says that I will need an ATA PCI card with 48-bit BIOS support. The card I bought is only a 32-bit (card info here - http://www.macsense.com/product/storage/sua-100e_b.html). Could that be the problem? Is there a fix other than buying another PCI card? Thanks, ShaneB ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070110/415121ae/attachment.html From tlanden at mac.com Wed Jan 10 18:06:48 2007 From: tlanden at mac.com (William Landen) Date: Wed Jan 10 18:07:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Switching internal optical drive to external case In-Reply-To: <45A591FE.3080801@richardklein.org> References: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> <45A591FE.3080801@richardklein.org> Message-ID: Short answer ... It should work fine. Long Story... A few years back I gave my sons iBooks that I found dirt cheap. ~ $450... My sons were 7, 5, and almost 2 years old at the time. One day I hear my youngest son yell, Help!!! (while I am on a conference call with one of my clients) and then I hear something tumbling down the stairs. Sure enough he dropped the iBook, completely ripping out the optical drive. I tried to boot the iBook and nothing happened. Played with it a while an decided it was gone. Put it to the side for a couple of weeks until I decided to take the memory out for my older son's computer. I looked at the hinge and notice it was not all the way down on one side. Made a fist and struck the top of the computer over that hinge and it snapped back in place. Opened the computer and it booted right up like nothing had happened. Hooked up a external DVD drive and it has been working ever since. He uses it around 5 hours per week. I gave my father in-law an even older Claim Shell i-Book that the Optical Drive just quit working and he still uses it for internet and e-mail. Not all external drives are the same ... Some are extremely loud. On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Richard Klein wrote: > I figure her disc problems are probably from a failing IDE > controller on the motherboard, so maybe putting the drive in a > firewire case will let her get some use out of it. How will the G4 > (running OS X Tiger) deal with having an external optical drive, > but no internal optical drive? Has anyone tried this? From skenn at earthlink.net Wed Jan 10 19:50:20 2007 From: skenn at earthlink.net (S. Kennedy) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:50:07 2007 Subject: [G4] Large Hard Drive Install In-Reply-To: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> References: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070110225020502806.8cc1d09e@earthlink.net> Hi, I am a bit hazy on this but I remember somewhere reading about a jumper setting on the back of some drives that limited the capacity to 32 MB. It sounds as if this might be your problem. Maybe someone else on the list can provide more details. It seemed that this feature was needed in some PC applications. S. Kennedy On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:12:29 -0800 (PST), R. Shane Boughton wrote: > I have a Maxtor ATA/100 internal hard drive, 200 GB. > > My G4 450 only reads it as 32 GB. > > I installed a PCI host adapter card but it still only > reads as 32 GB. > > The Maxtor drive box says that I will need an ATA PCI > card with 48-bit BIOS support. The card I bought is > only a 32-bit (card info here - > http://www.macsense.com/product/storage/sua-100e_b.html). > > > Could that be the problem? > > Is there a fix other than buying another PCI card? > > Thanks, ShaneB > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From nagable at comcast.net Wed Jan 10 20:54:54 2007 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jan 10 20:55:04 2007 Subject: [G4] Switching internal optical drive to external case Message-ID: <011120070454.8235.45A5C31E000978390000202B22007601800A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Tell her to shut down, unplug, remove battery, press PMU button and hold for ±2 seconds (little round brownish button on logic board near battery), wait about a minute, replace battery, close computer, replace plug and try again. It worked on a client's G4. Nate -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Richard Klein > I gave my little sister a 450MHz Gigabit Ethernet a while back. It > seemed fine when it was here, but it's been pretty flaky for her since > she got it. She's in Georgia and I'm in Massachusetts which makes it > tough to fix anything for her. > > The biggest problem is that it rarely recognizes any discs inserted into > the optical drive. It's a Pioneer DVR111 that I bought brand new and > installed just before I sent the computer to her. > > I saw this external case go on sale: > http://www.dealsonic.com/plpmsicousb2.html > I figure her disc problems are probably from a failing IDE controller on > the motherboard, so maybe putting the drive in a firewire case will let > her get some use out of it. How will the G4 (running OS X Tiger) deal > with having an external optical drive, but no internal optical drive? > Has anyone tried this? > > -- > Thanks, > Rich > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From skygram at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 20:55:08 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (SKYGRAM) Date: Wed Jan 10 20:55:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Large Hard Drive Install In-Reply-To: <20070110225020502806.8cc1d09e@earthlink.net> References: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> <20070110225020502806.8cc1d09e@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1c7726e90701102055m78f92375w1d2ae1ff1dff32c8@mail.gmail.com> Hi People! I have two 160gb drives in my G4-400mhz Gigabit something or other. I use a small program called "ATA Hi-Cap Support for OS-X". It cost $25US. Each drive now is usable up to 152GB. It was simple to install and inexpensive. This program can Max almost any sized drive in these older Macs. Bill From nagable at comcast.net Wed Jan 10 20:58:52 2007 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Wed Jan 10 20:59:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Large Hard Drive Install Message-ID: <011120070458.12555.45A5C40C000480630000310B22007601800A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Make sure you formatted it as Mac OS Extended (Journaled). You may need to make two partitions--I think 120GB is max on the older G4s. But reformat and make sure the format is Mac OS Extended (try one partition first). Nate -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "R. Shane Boughton" > I have a Maxtor ATA/100 internal hard drive, 200 GB. > > My G4 450 only reads it as 32 GB. > > I installed a PCI host adapter card but it still only > reads as 32 GB. > > The Maxtor drive box says that I will need an ATA PCI > card with 48-bit BIOS support. The card I bought is > only a 32-bit (card info here - > http://www.macsense.com/product/storage/sua-100e_b.html). > > > Could that be the problem? > > Is there a fix other than buying another PCI card? > > Thanks, ShaneB > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From philip.robar at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 21:28:56 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Wed Jan 10 21:29:07 2007 Subject: [G4] Large Hard Drive Install In-Reply-To: <011120070458.12555.45A5C40C000480630000310B22007601800A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> References: <011120070458.12555.45A5C40C000480630000310B22007601800A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4199770C-FBF2-45C3-B3BA-001C3033BB81@gmail.com> On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:58 PM, nagable@comcast.net wrote: > You may need to make two partitions--I think 120GB is max on the > older G4s. Using the built-in controller you can only address from 0 to 128 GiB (137 GB) of the drive, partitioning won't get around this limit. The driver Bill mentioned will, but it has it own limitations - see it's READ ME for details. As S. said the problem might be the drive size jumper, but no manufacturer I know of ships their drives with this set so I doubt that this is the problem. Phil -- "The tragedy of our day is the climate of fear in which we live and fear breeds repression. Too often, sinister threats to the Bill of Rights, to freedom of the mind are concealed under the patriotic cloak... It's far easier to fight for principles than to live up to them." -- Adlai Stevenson From G-2 at att.net Thu Jan 11 06:50:53 2007 From: G-2 at att.net (Slip Kid) Date: Thu Jan 11 06:51:01 2007 Subject: Subject: [G4] Switching internal optical drive to external case In-Reply-To: <20070111035009.1C89574BF33@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070111035009.1C89574BF33@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <45A64ECD.5080202@att.net> I added a G4 GE in '05 after 20+ years with M$ boxes. I knew nuttin' about nuttin' in the AppleWorld! I did know the Mac 'needed' a DVDR and I gambled 'if' an external worked I could plug it into my other (M$) machines. I chose a 'cheap' (generic/OEM model IDVD16DDBE)) IO/Magic 16X DVDR (& I also needed to spend $15 for a USB2.0 card). Call it luck, but I've not had any problem with the external (CD's or DVD's). It's better than the original internal OD. As my machine only has 400Mhz, it's not the best config for complex en/decoding (s-l-o-w)...& not the fault of the DVDR. Yes, it reads/writes/burns w/out error. So, I'm sad to hear [here] the external HD isn't as foolproof a solution (seems some some apps don't recognize an external as an HD?). I'm maxed out with the internal limits and an outside HD box would be cheaper than a new IDE gizmo. Plus, I could also move it around like the DVDR... No, I don't doubt that some can name a 'brand' (external/optical) which is guaranteed to 'work' but they seemed a bit pricey (mine was under $60). Mine wasn't even "supported" for a Mac but it was 'cause the manufacturer didn't care to give it a whirl. I have seen great reviews for the drive...but it took some searching (after I bought) as most people don't even 'know' what they have. Verdict: With a combo of PatchBurn & SharePoints I can network/share/use all drives on all machines/OS's. An ol' W98SE lapper also has better luck with the external than its original (crummy) CDROM. I simply shut the power off, pull the USB cord and plug it into any machine... I turn it on and it's fine. [Good luck!] Michael From biffy_clyro at hotmail.com Thu Jan 11 07:53:26 2007 From: biffy_clyro at hotmail.com (Asshhh Lawrence) Date: Thu Jan 11 07:53:29 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MAc wont startup Message-ID: Okay to keep it short, I bought a G4 mac off of Ebay for music recording. Wasn't aware it wouldn't start up, though admittedly the auction doesn't mention if it even came with an OS. Okay so the Mac will turn on...but wont boot an OS. All I can get is the mac icon and a question mark. Now I am running an official g4 mac keyboard & mouse so it's not a hardware problem. Any ideas what's going on? I tried a Mac OS 9 disk a friend gave me which was apparently bootable. Not too sure how to boot from CD (some sites claimed hold C, others option and command). But with any keyboard button combo I can't get the MAc to boot from CD, though i guess it could be the CDs fault. Any ideas what i should do? Should i just buy a formatted hard drive from ebay and try the OS 9 disk on there? Gah, Help! Specs: - G4 - 450MHz- 40GB Hard Drive- 256MB Ram- DVD- 2 X USB- 2 X Firewire- 56KB Modem- 10/100 Ethernet _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Miller wrote: > Among other upgrades to my Digital Audio G4, I'm considering an > upgrade to the video card. > > OWC has suggested a Radeon 9800 or 9200. > > Has anyone on the list upgraded to either of these cards? What kind > of experiences did you have with the cards. Was it worth it? > > Thanks, > Mark. > -- The 9800(256 mb) that I got was lot of money but my computer doesn't choke on anything. Kicks butt. The lower ram ones are still very powerful. From jomph at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 11 09:31:59 2007 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Thu Jan 11 09:32:07 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MAc wont startup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11-01-2007 16:53, Asshhh Lawrence, biffy_clyro@hotmail.com, wrote: Okay to keep it short, I bought a G4 mac off of Ebay for music recording. Should i just buy a formatted hard drive from ebay and try the OS 9 disk on there? Gah, Help! Specs: - G4 - 450MHz - 40GB Hard Drive - 256MB Ram - DVD - 2 X USB - 2 X Firewire - 56KB Modem - 10/100 Ethernet Have you already opened the case? Is there RAM in the Mac? How many sticks? What kind of videocard is in the Mac?? Look on the Mac (backside, bottom) if you find a print/sticker with a barcode and a Serial Number (must have 11 caract.). Write down this Serial Number and mail it to the list. Or you can check it yourself, goto don't be afraid, page is in English also. We'll know more then how to go on. Jo Hissel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The computers involved include a G4 playing the greatest hits of OS 9--I am working on updating; a G3 starring in the lead role as host of the DSL connection and the G4 Ibook who often does all the research for the trios next hit. Thanks in advance for any advice! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From briang113 at pacbell.net Thu Jan 11 09:59:53 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:00:03 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MAc wont startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CAA5B91-4563-4211-8A50-01B42C2B83C4@pacbell.net> On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:53 AM, Asshhh Lawrence wrote: > > Okay to keep it short, I bought a G4 mac off of Ebay for music > recording. > Wasn't aware it wouldn't start up, though admittedly the auction > doesn't mention if it even came with an OS. > Okay so the Mac will turn on...but wont boot an OS. > All I can get is the mac icon and a question mark. This means there is no OS installed on the drive. > Now I am running an official g4 mac keyboard & mouse so it's not a > hardware problem. > Any ideas what's going on? > I tried a Mac OS 9 disk a friend gave me which was apparently > bootable. It may not be bootable, is it an actual Apple disk or a copy. It may also be machine specific. What is printed on the disk? > Not too sure how to boot from CD (some sites claimed hold C, others > option and command). After the startup bong, hold down the C key to boot from a CD/DVD in the drive. > But with any keyboard button combo I can't get the MAc to boot from > CD, though i guess it could be the CDs fault. > Any ideas what i should do? > Should i just buy a formatted hard drive from ebay and try the OS 9 > disk on there? Do you know anybody with a OS disk either 9 or OS X, that would be the cheapest test. If not your best move it to buy a copy of some version of OS X 10.2 or 10.3 can be had at a reasonable price. I would recommend more RAM at least 512, 1 Gig would be best. Good Luck Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM > Gah, Help! > > Specs: > - G4 - 450MHz > - 40GB Hard Drive > - 256MB Ram > - DVD > - 2 X USB > - 2 X Firewire > - 56KB Modem > - 10/100 Ethernet > > > From sng at cox.net Thu Jan 11 10:04:32 2007 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:04:48 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MAc wont startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ridiculous as this may seem, is there a hard drive in the Mac, and is is properly connected? Surprisingly, I got one of the old colorful lime iMacs free from a local Freecycle (freecycle.org) for my young grandkids' use when they visit us. IT HAD NO HARD DRIVE IN IT! Once I figured that out, it was no big deal for me to install an old one that I had removed from my desktop during an upgrade. Just worth checking. --Steve At 6:31 PM +0100 1/11/07, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: >Have you already opened the case? >Is there RAM in the Mac? How many sticks? >What kind of videocard is in the Mac?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070111/1871afd8/attachment.html From briang113 at pacbell.net Thu Jan 11 10:16:41 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:16:49 2007 Subject: [G4] Networking In-Reply-To: <936717.17221.qm@web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <936717.17221.qm@web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1241983B-0B66-4FBE-9368-C8B6BC285CC2@pacbell.net> I assume you want to do this within your home and not from an outside IP. The easy solution it to buy a DSL/Cable Router(with or without wireless) your choice. Available almost everywhere these day and priced from $20 - 50 US Brian iBook G4 1.33 GHz 1.25 GB RAM On Jan 11, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Bobby Wade wrote: > Hello again, > > I finally made my circa 1999 G4 Mac part of my > high-speed internet connection and now I want to try > to push a bit forward. My new goal is to allow my > computers within my living space talk or be able to > listen to each other so I can access printing > privileges > > This is the situation: > > I use DSL so I believe I have dynamic IP address. In > order for my computers to have and sort of > conversation, I need to tell the main computer--the > one connected the DSL--to keep a static IP address. > If I successfully accomplish this feat, I must assign > or reassign the two remaining computers to static > address. > > The computers involved include a G4 playing the > greatest hits of OS 9--I am working on updating; a G3 > starring in the lead role as host of the DSL > connection and the G4 Ibook who often does all the > research for the trios next hit. > > Thanks in advance for any advice! > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From mytechguy at comcast.net Thu Jan 11 10:27:34 2007 From: mytechguy at comcast.net (mytechguy@comcast.net) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:27:43 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MAc wont startup Message-ID: <011120071827.777.45A681960008A0F5000003092202888744CEA196079909@comcast.net> I could b wrong, But it seems you have no operating system or HD in the unit. Try booting with os startup disks while holding C -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: B G > > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:53 AM, Asshhh Lawrence wrote: > > > > > Okay to keep it short, I bought a G4 mac off of Ebay for music > > recording. > > Wasn't aware it wouldn't start up, though admittedly the auction > > doesn't mention if it even came with an OS. > > Okay so the Mac will turn on...but wont boot an OS. > > All I can get is the mac icon and a question mark. > > This means there is no OS installed on the drive. > > > Now I am running an official g4 mac keyboard & mouse so it's not a > > hardware problem. > > Any ideas what's going on? > > I tried a Mac OS 9 disk a friend gave me which was apparently > > bootable. > > It may not be bootable, is it an actual Apple disk or a copy. It may > also be machine specific. > > What is printed on the disk? > > > > Not too sure how to boot from CD (some sites claimed hold C, others > > option and command). > > After the startup bong, hold down the C key to boot from a CD/DVD in > the drive. > > > > > But with any keyboard button combo I can't get the MAc to boot from > > CD, though i guess it could be the CDs fault. > > > Any ideas what i should do? > > Should i just buy a formatted hard drive from ebay and try the OS 9 > > disk on there? > > > Do you know anybody with a OS disk either 9 or OS X, that would be > the cheapest test. > > If not your best move it to buy a copy of some version of OS X 10.2 > or 10.3 can be had at a reasonable price. > > I would recommend more RAM at least 512, 1 Gig would be best. > > Good Luck > > Brian > > G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM > > > > > > Gah, Help! > > > > Specs: > > - G4 - 450MHz > > - 40GB Hard Drive > > - 256MB Ram > > - DVD > > - 2 X USB > > - 2 X Firewire > > - 56KB Modem > > - 10/100 Ethernet > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From sumptin_sumptin at yahoo.com Thu Jan 11 10:35:51 2007 From: sumptin_sumptin at yahoo.com (Bobby Wade) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:35:56 2007 Subject: [G4] Networking In-Reply-To: <1241983B-0B66-4FBE-9368-C8B6BC285CC2@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <635444.2456.qm@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are correct about home use. According to the brochure that came with the modem, it includes a router. I looked up some of this information on Apple's web site under Support section along with 2Wire the maker of the modem, to compare and contrast information. Are you saying I need a second router? --- B G wrote: > I assume you want to do this within your home and > not from an outside > IP. > > The easy solution it to buy a DSL/Cable Router(with > or without > wireless) your choice. > > Available almost everywhere these day and priced > from $20 - 50 US > > > > > Brian > > iBook G4 1.33 GHz 1.25 GB RAM > > > > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Bobby Wade wrote: > > > Hello again, > > > > I finally made my circa 1999 G4 Mac part of my > > high-speed internet connection and now I want to > try > > to push a bit forward. My new goal is to allow my > > computers within my living space talk or be able > to > > listen to each other so I can access printing > > privileges > > > > This is the situation: > > > > I use DSL so I believe I have dynamic IP address. > In > > order for my computers to have and sort of > > conversation, I need to tell the main > computer--the > > one connected the DSL--to keep a static IP > address. > > If I successfully accomplish this feat, I must > assign > > or reassign the two remaining computers to static > > address. > > > > The computers involved include a G4 playing the > > greatest hits of OS 9--I am working on updating; a > G3 > > starring in the lead role as host of the DSL > > connection and the G4 Ibook who often does all the > > research for the trios next hit. > > > > Thanks in advance for any advice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from > people who know. > > Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! > Vintage Mac and random > > stuff: > > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From obgraph at hiwaay.net Thu Jan 11 10:44:42 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:44:51 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MAc wont startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070111124442.268932.cf5ecc83@hiwaay.net> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:53:26 +0000, Asshhh Lawrence wrote: > Okay to keep it short, I bought a G4 mac off of Ebay for music recording. > Wasn't aware it wouldn't start up.... You boot from a CD by holding the "C" key down during startup. If/when it boots-up you can see what's on the HD. Maybe, there's no OS installed. (The blinking question mark usually means it can't find an OS to boot from.) Does it have more than one HD and or partition? What about installed RAM? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From obgraph at hiwaay.net Thu Jan 11 10:51:41 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:51:46 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MAc wont startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070111125141.902824.bc6c4784@hiwaay.net> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:53:26 +0000, Asshhh Lawrence wrote: > Should i just buy a formatted hard drive from ebay and > try the OS 9 disk on there? Not until you determine that there is something wrong with the installed HD. If there's no OS on the HD you might re-format the HD using OS9. Better: format and install OSX using an OSX install disc. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From harry at gifutiger.com Thu Jan 11 10:52:12 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:52:23 2007 Subject: [G4] Networking In-Reply-To: <1241983B-0B66-4FBE-9368-C8B6BC285CC2@pacbell.net> References: <936717.17221.qm@web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1241983B-0B66-4FBE-9368-C8B6BC285CC2@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <81a7fa73dba3981afe5d558e7e7b74d5@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) I agree with Brian hole-heartedly, that is unless you just want to go through the pain and agony that setting your network up like you have proposed. The other beauty of the router is that you don't need to have all of you platforms on for any of the others to have access to the WEB. ---------------------------------------------------- On Jan 11, 2007, at 10:16 AM, B G wrote: > I assume you want to do this within your home and not from an outside > IP. > > The easy solution it to buy a DSL/Cable Router (with or without > wireless) your choice. > > Available almost everywhere these day and priced from $20 - 50 US > > > Brian > > iBook G4 1.33 GHz 1.25 GB RAM > > On Jan 11, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Bobby Wade wrote: > >> Hello again, >> >> I finally made my circa 1999 G4 Mac part of my >> high-speed internet connection and now I want to try >> to push a bit forward. My new goal is to allow my >> computers within my living space talk or be able to >> listen to each other so I can access printing >> privileges >> >> This is the situation: >> >> I use DSL so I believe I have dynamic IP address. In >> order for my computers to have and sort of >> conversation, I need to tell the main computer--the >> one connected the DSL--to keep a static IP address. >> If I successfully accomplish this feat, I must assign >> or reassign the two remaining computers to static >> address. >> >> The computers involved include a G4 playing the >> greatest hits of OS 9--I am working on updating; a G3 >> starring in the lead role as host of the DSL >> connection and the G4 Ibook who often does all the >> research for the trios next hit. >> >> Thanks in advance for any advice! >> ______________________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From obgraph at hiwaay.net Thu Jan 11 10:53:05 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:53:09 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MAc wont startup In-Reply-To: <1CAA5B91-4563-4211-8A50-01B42C2B83C4@pacbell.net> References: <1CAA5B91-4563-4211-8A50-01B42C2B83C4@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <20070111125305.246515.3543bd34@hiwaay.net> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:59:53 -0800, B G wrote: > If not your best move it to buy a copy of some version of > OS X 10.2 or 10.3 can be had at a reasonable price.. 10.3 would be better. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From wwcaterson at hotmail.com Thu Jan 11 11:09:32 2007 From: wwcaterson at hotmail.com (Warren Caterson) Date: Thu Jan 11 11:09:44 2007 Subject: [G4] Freeze after Sleep Message-ID: I have a G4 Mirror that runs fine but freezes after it sleeps. I keep it on all the time now (with screen saver) but would like to use the energy saving feature. Any suggestions? _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG From harry at gifutiger.com Thu Jan 11 11:17:55 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Thu Jan 11 11:18:03 2007 Subject: [G4] Freeze after Sleep In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Do you have anything connecter to your firewire port? ---------------------------------------------------- On Jan 11, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Warren Caterson wrote: > I have a G4 Mirror that runs fine but freezes after it sleeps. I keep > it on all the time now (with screen saver) but would like to use the > energy saving feature. Any suggestions? > > _________________________________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From jomph at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 11 11:26:25 2007 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Thu Jan 11 11:26:30 2007 Subject: [G4] Freeze after Sleep In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11-01-2007 20:09, Warren Caterson, wwcaterson@hotmail.com, wrote: > I have a G4 Mirror that runs fine but freezes after it sleeps. I keep it on > all the time now (with screen saver) but would like to use the energy saving > feature. Any suggestions? Do you a PCI-USB 2 card installed or something like that?? Some of these cards will cause troubles like you described. Jo Hissel From keith_w at dslextreme.com Thu Jan 11 12:39:22 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Thu Jan 11 12:39:30 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MAc wont startup In-Reply-To: <011120071827.777.45A681960008A0F5000003092202888744CEA196079909@comcast.net> References: <011120071827.777.45A681960008A0F5000003092202888744CEA196079909@comcast.net> Message-ID: <45A6A07A.7080903@dslextreme.com> mytechguy@comcast.net wrote: > I could b wrong, But it seems you have no operating system or HD in > the unit. Try booting with os startup disks while holding C I keep reading this, but it seems to me the real answer is, the usual startup sequence can't FIND an operating system. Not that there's none there. There's a small but quite significant difference! If the person asking knows how to open the case, eyeball it and see if there's a HD there! Not rocket science. From the outside only, with nothing guiding you, all you know for sure is, the [what?] ROM [?] can't locate a working System folder. May or may not be a hard drive inside. So far, no-one really knows. May or may not be a System folder, but something's wrong with it. Running a diagnostic would help, seems to me. If you have the right software, that is. keith whaley From britchey11 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 11 17:29:52 2007 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Thu Jan 11 17:29:59 2007 Subject: [G4] hardware start-up problem Message-ID: <310036.70744.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> so I believe that I have tracked my start-up problem to the on switch. I opened up the machine & pulled the switch panel off & pressed it a few times and it started. After 2 days it shut off & won't re-start. I believe that all sleep & timed shut-downs are off. My ? is: could something wrong with the board that the switch is on cause it to shut down? I do not believe that my problem is the battery nor the reset remedy button next to it, I have tracked the problem beyond that to the switch. Any ideas. The machine runs fine when its on. Thanks Bill --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070111/bb56a1b3/attachment.html From skenn at earthlink.net Thu Jan 11 18:38:50 2007 From: skenn at earthlink.net (S. Kennedy) Date: Thu Jan 11 18:38:35 2007 Subject: [G4] Large Hard Drive Install In-Reply-To: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> References: <58829.15109.qm@web53612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070111213850504902.56a04b71@earthlink.net> Here us some info copied from the Maxtor site regarding the 32 MB hard drive limitation. Jumper settings are shown at S. Kennedy > If the operating system, BIOS, or MaxBlast can only recognize 32 GB > of the drive it may be caused by one of the following: > > 1. Drive Jumpers: Applies to Mac and Window users. On drives that > are larger than 32 GB there is a Capacity Limitation Jumper (CLJ) or > the Alternate Capacity (AC) Jumper setting. This jumper will limit > the capacity of the drive to 32 GB and should only be used when the > BIOS hangs when trying to auto-detect the drive. If you have two > jumpers shunts on the drive you will need to remove the CLJ or AC > jumper. To resolve the issue use the standard jumper settings. > > If you format the drive with the CLJ or AC jumper then the > drive capacity will be limited to 32GB. After removing the CLJ or AC > jumper the drive will still be recognized as 32GB. You must reformat > the drive without the CLJ or AC jumper to gain the full capacity of > the drive. > > For more information on Windows XP/2000 installs and the > Cylinder Limitation jumper please reference Answer ID: 1374 > > 2. BIOS: On older systems (pre- November 1998) the BIOS may not > support drives that are larger than 32 GB. In the BIOS setup please > set the drive type to AUTO detect. If the BIOS detects the full > capacity of the drive then the BIOS will support the capacity of the > drive. If not please perform one of the following: > > 1. Check with the system or motherboard manufacturer for any > BIOS upgrades for the system. > > 2. If a BIOS update is not available from the manufacturer > you can also visit the following site: www.esupport.com and download > the BIOS Agent to determine if an update is available for purchase > for your system. The BIOS Agent will identify the BIOS on your system > and provide you with all of the information that you will need for > ordering a BIOS update. Maxtor? Corporation provides this information > as a courtesy to its customers and has no official affiliation with > esupport.com. > > 3. (Recommended) Purchase a PCI ATA controller card that > will support the capacity of the drive. The two benefits of ATA > controller cards are: > 1. The ability to support large capacity drives > 2. The ability to support the faster transfer rates of > the drive. > > 4. The last option would be to use our MaxBlast software. > The MaxBlast software will install an overlay (EZ-BIOS) on the hard > drive to suppor