From ewood at izoom.net Mon Jul 2 09:21:05 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Mon Jul 2 09:16:48 2007 Subject: [G4] Samsung DVD Writer Message-ID: <35C2282E-F34B-4A31-A5F0-A6435B64EBF7@izoom.net> Hi all, Just wanted to offer an update on my Linux & Mac DVD experiences. My Fedora Linux installation started acting strange, in that it was being slow - the mouse cursor would pause and such - so I went back to good ol' Tiger! By this time, I already had my LG DVD writer replaced with a Samsung drive that's otherwise the same. It's a LightScribe drive and burns every format short of the new HD stuff. Happily I can report that anyone wanting such a hardware upgrade for a G4 can likely not worry - this model doesn't have the sleep/freeze issue that my LG was having. iTunes and Disk Utility are able to burn with it. I have yet to test LightScribe, due to both lack of software and lack of compatible discs. It's unfortunate that it only includes Nero software and some other Windows stuff. And that's all I've got! Eric From briang113 at pacbell.net Mon Jul 2 10:41:46 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Mon Jul 2 10:41:50 2007 Subject: [G4] Samsung DVD Writer In-Reply-To: <35C2282E-F34B-4A31-A5F0-A6435B64EBF7@izoom.net> References: <35C2282E-F34B-4A31-A5F0-A6435B64EBF7@izoom.net> Message-ID: On a general burning note if you want a good piece of software I recommend Dragonburn. I have had this fir about 1.5 years and it work flawlessly burns multiple formats does multi copies and has recognized every drive I have attached. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Jul 2, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Eric Wood wrote: > Hi all, > > Just wanted to offer an update on my Linux & Mac DVD experiences. > My Fedora Linux installation started acting strange, in that it was > being slow - the mouse cursor would pause and such - so I went back > to good ol' Tiger! By this time, I already had my LG DVD writer > replaced with a Samsung drive that's otherwise the same. It's a > LightScribe drive and burns every format short of the new HD stuff. > > Happily I can report that anyone wanting such a hardware upgrade > for a G4 can likely not worry - this model doesn't have the sleep/ > freeze issue that my LG was having. iTunes and Disk Utility are > able to burn with it. I have yet to test LightScribe, due to both > lack of software and lack of compatible discs. It's unfortunate > that it only includes Nero software and some other Windows stuff. > > And that's all I've got! > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From harry at gifutiger.com Mon Jul 2 11:00:13 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Jul 2 11:00:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Samsung DVD Writer In-Reply-To: References: <35C2282E-F34B-4A31-A5F0-A6435B64EBF7@izoom.net> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) I have Dragonburn v4.0.22 (OEM) BDB Version 301, which version do you have? ---------------------------------------------------- On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:41 AM, B G wrote: > On a general burning note if you want a good piece of software I > recommend Dragonburn. > > > I have had this fir about 1.5 years and it work flawlessly burns > multiple formats does multi copies and has recognized every drive I > have attached. > > > Brian > > G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM > > On Jul 2, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Eric Wood wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Just wanted to offer an update on my Linux & Mac DVD experiences. My >> Fedora Linux installation started acting strange, in that it was >> being slow - the mouse cursor would pause and such - so I went back >> to good ol' Tiger! By this time, I already had my LG DVD writer >> replaced with a Samsung drive that's otherwise the same. It's a >> LightScribe drive and burns every format short of the new HD stuff. >> >> Happily I can report that anyone wanting such a hardware upgrade for >> a G4 can likely not worry - this model doesn't have the sleep/freeze >> issue that my LG was having. iTunes and Disk Utility are able to burn >> with it. I have yet to test LightScribe, due to both lack of software >> and lack of compatible discs. It's unfortunate that it only includes >> Nero software and some other Windows stuff. >> >> And that's all I've got! >> >> Eric >> _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From m3gunner at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 2 12:11:04 2007 From: m3gunner at sbcglobal.net (Jamie Pruden) Date: Mon Jul 2 12:11:25 2007 Subject: [G4] Appleworks. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Pat, I just tried said procedure and it works fine on my MacBook Pro (Core 2 Duo, 2.33, 10.4.10) It is possible that he's having some sort of problem with his prefs file. I just took a look at mine: ~/Library/Preferences/AppleWorks/AppleWorks 6 Preferences and it appears that the default font for WP is stored right after the language preference. Try deleting this file, relaunch AW, then see if he can change the preferences and have it work when he creates a new document. If not, he can open the Preferences file with TextEdit and look down into the file until he sees "English", then a space, then the name of the font that is the default for WP files. If it says Monaco and AW is still opening with Helvetica, there's something else going on here... smiles, Jamie (ClarisWorks Tech Support 1992-1995) On Jun 30, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Pat Crowe wrote: > My friend has an Intel Core Duo iMac and he has written to me with > this problem. > > "When I open up Appleworks 6 to write a letter, the text ALWAYS > appears as Helvetica, a font I heartily dislike. I have repeatedly > gone into Appleworks preferences and changed the font to Monaco, > then clicked ?MAKE DEFAULT?. But as soon as I start typing, > Helvetica comes up again like a bad smell, even though the > preference window shows Monaco. If I type a few characters, then > SELECT them and change the font to Monaco, I can continue writing > for as long as I like and it will always be in Monaco. But start a > new letter, and back comes bloody Helvetica again. It?s as though > the MAKE DEFAULT is jammed on Helvetica and so my Monaco preference > is ignored." > > Any suggestions gratefully received. > PatC. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From roxylee at frontiernet.net Mon Jul 2 13:19:31 2007 From: roxylee at frontiernet.net (Roxylee) Date: Mon Jul 2 13:19:46 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: nonexistent drive In-Reply-To: <20070702191126.95A6BFE1A20@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070702191126.95A6BFE1A20@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <80d3162786162764b34ddbdfede96e31@frontiernet.net> Thank you all for responding. I'll try zapping it when I can get over there. Hmmm... we had already switched out the controller card, thinking that would do the trick, no dice. It was a Rage 128 pro, maybe that's not enough? When double clicked, the desktop icon opens up an empty window. In Disk Utility, it tells the name of the disk, the size, everything as if it were physically there, which it isn't. The system was installed clean from disks, then updated by the System software updater. iLife problem: We'll install a different optical drive for her- the iLife was a DVD and her drive must be CD only. Thank you all. :-) Roxylee From ewood at izoom.net Mon Jul 2 15:13:13 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Mon Jul 2 15:08:51 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: nonexistent drive In-Reply-To: <80d3162786162764b34ddbdfede96e31@frontiernet.net> References: <20070702191126.95A6BFE1A20@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <80d3162786162764b34ddbdfede96e31@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: No dice indeedy. The Rage 128 card is a video card. The Mac shouldn't currently have a PCI card for the ATA/IDE, but when you get one, you plug the drives into that card instead of the interfaces on the motherboard. Video card will have nothing to do with it, so just put the best one available in there. Eric Am 02.07.2007 um 15:19 schrieb Roxylee: > Thank you all for responding. I'll try zapping it when I can get > over there. Hmmm... we had already switched out the controller > card, thinking that would do the trick, no dice. It was a Rage 128 > pro, maybe that's not enough? > > When double clicked, the desktop icon opens up an empty window. In > Disk Utility, it tells the name of the disk, the size, everything > as if it were physically there, which it isn't. > > The system was installed clean from disks, then updated by the > System software updater. > > iLife problem: We'll install a different optical drive for her- the > iLife was a DVD and her drive must be CD only. Thank you all. :-) > > Roxylee > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From briang113 at pacbell.net Tue Jul 3 00:05:14 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Tue Jul 3 00:05:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Samsung DVD Writer In-Reply-To: References: <35C2282E-F34B-4A31-A5F0-A6435B64EBF7@izoom.net> Message-ID: <74CA498E-83A8-4FB2-BDE1-010E41AE4DD4@pacbell.net> Version 4.1.20 (Full) BDB Version 389 On Jul 2, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > I have Dragonburn v4.0.22 (OEM) BDB Version 301, which version do > you have? > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:41 AM, B G wrote: > >> On a general burning note if you want a good piece of software I >> recommend Dragonburn. >> >> >> I have had this fir about 1.5 years and it work flawlessly burns >> multiple formats does multi copies and has recognized every drive >> I have attached. >> >> >> Brian >> >> G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM >> >> On Jul 2, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Eric Wood wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Just wanted to offer an update on my Linux & Mac DVD experiences. >>> My Fedora Linux installation started acting strange, in that it >>> was being slow - the mouse cursor would pause and such - so I >>> went back to good ol' Tiger! By this time, I already had my LG >>> DVD writer replaced with a Samsung drive that's otherwise the >>> same. It's a LightScribe drive and burns every format short of >>> the new HD stuff. >>> >>> Happily I can report that anyone wanting such a hardware upgrade >>> for a G4 can likely not worry - this model doesn't have the sleep/ >>> freeze issue that my LG was having. iTunes and Disk Utility are >>> able to burn with it. I have yet to test LightScribe, due to both >>> lack of software and lack of compatible discs. It's unfortunate >>> that it only includes Nero software and some other Windows stuff. >>> >>> And that's all I've got! >>> >>> Eric >>> _______________________________________________ > > > Cheers, /\*_*/\ > > Harry (*^_^*) > * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of > progress? Congress! > Men's restroom House of Representatives, > Washington, DC > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From ronsteinke at mac.com Tue Jul 3 00:30:35 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Tue Jul 3 00:36:17 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: nonexistent drive In-Reply-To: References: <20070702191126.95A6BFE1A20@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <80d3162786162764b34ddbdfede96e31@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <9D40912F-5D53-4D93-8FC4-83A0C021F64F@mac.com> On 2 Jul, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Eric Wood wrote: > No dice indeedy. The Rage 128 card is a video card. The Mac > shouldn't currently have a PCI card for the ATA/IDE, but when you > get one, you plug the drives into that card instead of the > interfaces on the motherboard. > > Video card will have nothing to do with it, so just put the best > one available in there. > > Eric > > Am 02.07.2007 um 15:19 schrieb Roxylee: > >> Thank you all for responding. I'll try zapping it when I can get >> over there. Hmmm... we had already switched out the controller >> card, thinking that would do the trick, no dice. It was a Rage 128 >> pro, maybe that's not enough? Maybe I'm getting to old to follow the above language properly? I submit a few questions to get clarification: 1. Yes indeed, a Rage 128 card is a video card and not a controller card. What was the original purpose of removing that card? It has nothing to do with any hard drive attached to the computer. 2. What is the need for a PCI ATA/IDE controller card? Is there an intention to install additional hard drives in the machine and there are no bus ribbon connections left? I do not see what this type of card has to do with a drive icon showing on the screen. 3. Why put in "the best one available" if there is no problem with the original and it does what is wanted all the time? Upgrading the video card should not have any effect on the presence of an icon for a drive that is not connected to the bus. From ewood at izoom.net Tue Jul 3 01:17:37 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Tue Jul 3 01:13:15 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: nonexistent drive In-Reply-To: <9D40912F-5D53-4D93-8FC4-83A0C021F64F@mac.com> References: <20070702191126.95A6BFE1A20@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <80d3162786162764b34ddbdfede96e31@frontiernet.net> <9D40912F-5D53-4D93-8FC4-83A0C021F64F@mac.com> Message-ID: <8818A3BA-96BF-4A4D-A407-DDC9E2B463D3@izoom.net> Hi Ronald, Presumably you saw the message to which I was replying. A quotation of particular significance is: "Thank you all for responding. I'll try zapping it when I can get over there. Hmmm... we had already switched out the controller card, thinking that would do the trick, no dice. It was a Rage 128 pro, maybe that's not enough?" I was responding to Roxylee that a Rage 128 card is not an ATA controller. Perhaps confusion arised because of its brand being ATI? And to answer question 2, Roxylee is talking about using a very large hard drive in that Mac, and it isn't supported at its full capacity with the built-in controller. Ergo, a third-party controller card would be an excellent solution at this point. 3, I don't know which video card was removed and which was installed. I'd simply encourage Roxylee to use the newest available card, since there is no logical reason not to. The better the video card, the more capable the system is of various video-related tasks; most especially, of course, 3D. Eric Am 03.07.2007 um 02:30 schrieb Ronald Steinke: > On 2 Jul, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Eric Wood wrote: > >> No dice indeedy. The Rage 128 card is a video card. The Mac >> shouldn't currently have a PCI card for the ATA/IDE, but when you >> get one, you plug the drives into that card instead of the >> interfaces on the motherboard. >> >> Video card will have nothing to do with it, so just put the best >> one available in there. >> >> Eric >> >> Am 02.07.2007 um 15:19 schrieb Roxylee: >> >>> Thank you all for responding. I'll try zapping it when I can get >>> over there. Hmmm... we had already switched out the controller >>> card, thinking that would do the trick, no dice. It was a Rage >>> 128 pro, maybe that's not enough? > > Maybe I'm getting to old to follow the above language properly? I > submit a few questions to get clarification: > > 1. Yes indeed, a Rage 128 card is a video card and not a controller > card. What was the original purpose of removing that card? It has > nothing to do with any hard drive attached to the computer. > > 2. What is the need for a PCI ATA/IDE controller card? Is there an > intention to install additional hard drives in the machine and > there are no bus ribbon connections left? I do not see what this > type of card has to do with a drive icon showing on the screen. > > 3. Why put in "the best one available" if there is no problem with > the original and it does what is wanted all the time? Upgrading the > video card should not have any effect on the presence of an icon > for a drive that is not connected to the bus. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From ronsteinke at mac.com Wed Jul 4 01:29:59 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Wed Jul 4 01:35:44 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: nonexistent drive In-Reply-To: <8818A3BA-96BF-4A4D-A407-DDC9E2B463D3@izoom.net> References: <20070702191126.95A6BFE1A20@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <80d3162786162764b34ddbdfede96e31@frontiernet.net> <9D40912F-5D53-4D93-8FC4-83A0C021F64F@mac.com> <8818A3BA-96BF-4A4D-A407-DDC9E2B463D3@izoom.net> Message-ID: On 3 Jul, 2007, at 1:17 AM, Eric Wood wrote: > Presumably you saw the message to which I was replying. Yes, I do understand the thread of the message, but I cannot see what the import of the video card has to the subject which was an icon appearing on the desktop for a hard drive that is no longer installed in the chassis. I failed to see the relevance of remarks addressing video cards and ATA IDE controllers. I do understand the need for a newer ATA IDE controller if the Mac in use is incapable of recognizing drives larger than 128Gb. I have used one myself to install additional large capacity drives in my old G4, but that was not the subject under question. I am extremely curious as to the cause and cure for the icon appearing. I have never seen this happen yet and I have been using Macs for over 15 years. For the last 8 years, I have been doing volunteer technician work with a computer re-use/recycling program here in Chico, CA and have worked on at least two thousand Macs from the Centris series to G4 iMacs without seeing this phenomenon. I would truly like to see the explanation for it. From wayne at troutnc.com Wed Jul 4 06:41:12 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Wed Jul 4 06:42:04 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: nonexistent drive In-Reply-To: References: <20070702191126.95A6BFE1A20@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <80d3162786162764b34ddbdfede96e31@frontiernet.net> <9D40912F-5D53-4D93-8FC4-83A0C021F64F@mac.com> <8818A3BA-96BF-4A4D-A407-DDC9E2B463D3@izoom.net> Message-ID: <468BA378.5060903@troutnc.com> Ronald Steinke wrote: > On 3 Jul, 2007, at 1:17 AM, Eric Wood wrote: > >> Presumably you saw the message to which I was replying. > > Yes, I do understand the thread of the message, but I cannot see what > the import of the video card has to the subject which was an icon > appearing on the desktop for a hard drive that is no longer installed in > the chassis. > > I failed to see the relevance of remarks addressing video cards and ATA > IDE controllers. > > I do understand the need for a newer ATA IDE controller if the Mac in > use is incapable of recognizing drives larger than 128Gb. I have used > one myself to install additional large capacity drives in my old G4, but > that was not the subject under question. > > I am extremely curious as to the cause and cure for the icon appearing. > I have never seen this happen yet and I have been using Macs for over 15 > years. For the last 8 years, I have been doing volunteer technician work > with a computer re-use/recycling program here in Chico, CA and have > worked on at least two thousand Macs from the Centris series to G4 iMacs > without seeing this phenomenon. > > I would truly like to see the explanation for it. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > I asked this once, but did not see your reply. What do you get when you double click on the ghost icon, or get info on it? What is the path to the item? If you open the desktop folder, is the item there? Can you delete it, drag it to the trash, or eject it? From ewood at izoom.net Wed Jul 4 08:41:16 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Wed Jul 4 08:36:59 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: nonexistent drive In-Reply-To: <468BA378.5060903@troutnc.com> References: <20070702191126.95A6BFE1A20@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <80d3162786162764b34ddbdfede96e31@frontiernet.net> <9D40912F-5D53-4D93-8FC4-83A0C021F64F@mac.com> <8818A3BA-96BF-4A4D-A407-DDC9E2B463D3@izoom.net> <468BA378.5060903@troutnc.com> Message-ID: Well, I suspect that the ghost icon is a bug related to using that large drive with the built-in controller. I'm also curious as to how it happens exactly. And the fact remains that I did not mention the video card because I thought it had anything to do with the problem. I should hope that it's already been made crystal clear, but just to sum it up, Roxylee seemed to think that the Rage 128 WAS her drive controller. I explained that it was not, and then commented that she just use the best card available, as there's no point in not doing that. It sounded like she'd already swapped the video card out once in an effort to fix her drive. I figured maybe she'd put an older one into the machine. Eric Am 04.07.2007 um 08:41 schrieb Wayne Clodfelter: > Ronald Steinke wrote: >> On 3 Jul, 2007, at 1:17 AM, Eric Wood wrote: >>> Presumably you saw the message to which I was replying. >> Yes, I do understand the thread of the message, but I cannot see >> what the import of the video card has to the subject which was an >> icon appearing on the desktop for a hard drive that is no longer >> installed in the chassis. >> I failed to see the relevance of remarks addressing video cards >> and ATA IDE controllers. >> I do understand the need for a newer ATA IDE controller if the Mac >> in use is incapable of recognizing drives larger than 128Gb. I >> have used one myself to install additional large capacity drives >> in my old G4, but that was not the subject under question. >> I am extremely curious as to the cause and cure for the icon >> appearing. I have never seen this happen yet and I have been using >> Macs for over 15 years. For the last 8 years, I have been doing >> volunteer technician work with a computer re-use/recycling program >> here in Chico, CA and have worked on at least two thousand Macs >> from the Centris series to G4 iMacs without seeing this phenomenon. >> I would truly like to see the explanation for it. >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > I asked this once, but did not see your reply. What do you get when > you double click on the ghost icon, or get info on it? What is the > path to the item? > If you open the desktop folder, is the item there? Can you delete > it, drag it to the trash, or eject it? > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From ronsteinke at mac.com Wed Jul 4 11:31:03 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Wed Jul 4 11:36:54 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: nonexistent drive In-Reply-To: <468BA378.5060903@troutnc.com> References: <20070702191126.95A6BFE1A20@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <80d3162786162764b34ddbdfede96e31@frontiernet.net> <9D40912F-5D53-4D93-8FC4-83A0C021F64F@mac.com> <8818A3BA-96BF-4A4D-A407-DDC9E2B463D3@izoom.net> <468BA378.5060903@troutnc.com> Message-ID: <643BDB6E-F359-4EE1-9490-ACF0CE404845@mac.com> The problem of the icon for the nonexistent drive is not mine, it belongs to someone else. I am following the thread to see if there is an answer to the dilemma so I will know how to handle it if I ever see it in person. From ewood at izoom.net Wed Jul 4 20:24:40 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Wed Jul 4 20:29:47 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: nonexistent drive In-Reply-To: <643BDB6E-F359-4EE1-9490-ACF0CE404845@mac.com> References: <20070702191126.95A6BFE1A20@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <80d3162786162764b34ddbdfede96e31@frontiernet.net> <9D40912F-5D53-4D93-8FC4-83A0C021F64F@mac.com> <8818A3BA-96BF-4A4D-A407-DDC9E2B463D3@izoom.net> <468BA378.5060903@troutnc.com> <643BDB6E-F359-4EE1-9490-ACF0CE404845@mac.com> Message-ID: <36FAAC9D-ABD0-4CAD-ACCF-C467A3F12069@izoom.net> That's it, I give up. Am 04.07.2007 um 13:31 schrieb Ronald Steinke: > The problem of the icon for the nonexistent drive is not mine, it > belongs to someone else. > > I am following the thread to see if there is an answer to the > dilemma so I will know how to handle it if I ever see it in person. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From roxylee at frontiernet.net Fri Jul 6 06:40:43 2007 From: roxylee at frontiernet.net (Roxylee) Date: Fri Jul 6 06:40:56 2007 Subject: [G4] nonexistent drive problem solved In-Reply-To: <20070704153659.D44801003B3A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070704153659.D44801003B3A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Don't ask me why or how, but the nonexistent drive icon no longer appears on the desktop after switching out the video card and the optical drive. Thank you all for responding and for your help. I think my daughter is going to get the ATA HighCap driver instead of partitioning the HD. Has anyone used this instead of partitioning? Thank you all for helping with our problems and putting up with my confusing the cards. Roxylee From skygram at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 09:41:27 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Fri Jul 6 09:41:36 2007 Subject: [G4] nonexistent drive problem solved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi! I have used the ATA HighCap driver for a number of years. It works very well. I use it on two 160GB drives. They give me 152.67GB. Otherwise I would lose many gigs without this small program. Bill From ronsteinke at mac.com Sat Jul 7 00:02:45 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sat Jul 7 00:08:42 2007 Subject: [G4] nonexistent drive problem solved In-Reply-To: References: <20070704153659.D44801003B3A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <480ABC2E-5870-458C-BE61-9C6914389E2A@mac.com> On 6 Jul, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Roxylee wrote: > I think my daughter is going to get the ATA HighCap driver instead > of partitioning the HD. Has anyone used this instead of partitioning? I used a Sonnet brand ATA IDE controller card (the Tempo ATA 133 model) to be able to install high capacity drives. I use the plural because I eventually used four drives in the same case; two 80Gb and one 160Gb and one 240Gb. I did have to buy an extra cable to be able to use the second ribbon socket of the card to do this. The card came with only one cable and it only reached to the double-drive bracket mounting place. I was pushing the power envelope, I think, because one drive or another would sometimes fail to mount on boot. If a drive failed to boot, I would use Disk Utility to mount it and go on about my business. Eventually, I was able to buy a PowerPC G5 and that card became redundant because it was not compatible with the G5. It now sits in the old G4 case in the garage as my emergency backup machine. From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 10:22:27 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Jul 10 10:22:35 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? Message-ID: <554566.70719.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Can anybody recomend a burner (make/model) for a G4 gigabit tower upgrade? I guess a DVD burner would also do but really it would only be used to burn music cd's. John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From billmartinboy at mac.com Tue Jul 10 11:04:14 2007 From: billmartinboy at mac.com (Bill Boy) Date: Tue Jul 10 11:04:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <554566.70719.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <554566.70719.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <384DF9A4-0113-1000-AB65-D8AC03A6530E-Webmail-10017@mac.com> On Tuesday, July 10, 2007, at 10:22AM, "John Niven" wrote: >Can anybody recomend a burner (make/model) for a G4 >gigabit tower upgrade? > >I guess a DVD burner would also do but really it would >only be used to burn music cd's. > >John > macsales.com http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/optical-drives/superdrives/powermac/ http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Pioneer/DVR112DBK/ I just put one of these in my G5 and it works very well and is compatible with your computer Good luck Bill From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 11:42:26 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Jul 10 11:42:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <384DF9A4-0113-1000-AB65-D8AC03A6530E-Webmail-10017@mac.com> Message-ID: <156923.99541.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks, looks good but I'm reminded of a question I had: " The DVR-112D includes Regional Playback Control (RPC Phase II Mode). Region changes can be made up to five(5) times including the initial setting. Be aware that the fifth(5th) change will be PERMANENT. Therefore, please use caution when changing the region code on the DVR-112D The method of changing the region code number may vary on the decoder or operating system used." Is it possible to either buy a "regionless" DVD or is there a hack to get around this? I have both US and UK dvd's and it would be really nice to be able to play both. The above statement indicates that the restriction is firmware based. John --- Bill Boy wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 10, 2007, at 10:22AM, "John Niven" > wrote: > >Can anybody recomend a burner (make/model) for a G4 > >gigabit tower upgrade? > > > >I guess a DVD burner would also do but really it > would > >only be used to burn music cd's. > > > >John > > > > macsales.com > > http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/optical-drives/superdrives/powermac/ > > http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Pioneer/DVR112DBK/ > > I just put one of these in my G5 and it works very > well and is compatible with your computer > > Good luck > Bill > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From harry at gifutiger.com Tue Jul 10 12:18:04 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue Jul 10 12:18:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <554566.70719.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <554566.70719.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49faafc0cfe185b9701fa1759aa5c429@gifutiger.com> Newegg.com Brand SAMSUNG Type DVD Burner Model SH-S182M/BEBM Price $32.99 Highly rated. ---------------------------------------------------- On Jul 10, 2007, at 10:22 AM, John Niven wrote: > Can anybody recomend a burner (make/model) for a G4 > gigabit tower upgrade? > > I guess a DVD burner would also do but really it would > only be used to burn music cd's. > > John > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone > who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From ewood at izoom.net Tue Jul 10 12:28:59 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Tue Jul 10 12:24:48 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <49faafc0cfe185b9701fa1759aa5c429@gifutiger.com> References: <554566.70719.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <49faafc0cfe185b9701fa1759aa5c429@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: <3DBFA44F-D90E-446A-BD47-314A65572B82@izoom.net> Interesting you should post this particular model. My own Samsung DVD writer is an SH-S182M. It certainly does work like a charm. And perhaps once you have DVD burning capability in the Mac, John, you'll find a use for it? Eric Am 10.07.2007 um 14:18 schrieb Harry Freeman: > Newegg.com > > Brand SAMSUNG > Type DVD Burner > Model SH-S182M/BEBM > Price $32.99 > Highly rated. > ---------------------------------------------------- > On Jul 10, 2007, at 10:22 AM, John Niven wrote: > >> Can anybody recomend a burner (make/model) for a G4 >> gigabit tower upgrade? >> >> I guess a DVD burner would also do but really it would >> only be used to burn music cd's. >> >> John >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _______________ >> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from >> someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. >> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From billmartinboy at mac.com Tue Jul 10 12:31:28 2007 From: billmartinboy at mac.com (Bill Boy) Date: Tue Jul 10 12:31:36 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <156923.99541.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <156923.99541.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68E693B1-0113-1000-8049-4A2E1137BD59-Webmail-10017@mac.com> > >" The DVR-112D includes Regional Playback Control (RPC >Phase II Mode). Region changes can be made up to >five(5) times including the initial setting. Be aware >that the fifth(5th) change will be PERMANENT. >Therefore, please use caution when changing the region >code on the DVR-112D The method of changing the region >code number may vary on the decoder or operating >system used." > >Is it possible to either buy a "regionless" DVD or is >there a hack to get around this? I have both US and UK >dvd's and it would be really nice to be able to play >both. The above statement indicates that the >restriction is firmware based. > >John > I just call OWC(Macsales) and they said you are better off have two drives, one for both settings. He did say that there are some region froo drive out there but would be sold by someone who may not be so honest as it is bordline ellegal to do. Good Luck Bill From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 12:54:14 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Jul 10 12:54:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <68E693B1-0113-1000-8049-4A2E1137BD59-Webmail-10017@mac.com> Message-ID: <493747.94062.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> OWC(Macsales) would say that - they double their sales! Well that would be great if I could get two drives in my G4. Unlike PC boxen, Apple containers tend not to be designed for owners to expand upon. As to illegality, Australia, and New Zealand have aparently decided that DVD players that enforce region coding may violate the Trade Practices Act. I'm not sure what law one would be breaking in the US. John --- Bill Boy wrote: > I just call OWC(Macsales) and they said you are > better off have two drives, one for both settings. > He did say that there are some region froo drive out > there but would be sold by someone who may > not be so honest as it is bordline ellegal to do. ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Jul 10 13:05:10 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Jul 10 13:05:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <3DBFA44F-D90E-446A-BD47-314A65572B82@izoom.net> Message-ID: <239551.99798.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Eric, At home, I mostly use my Mac's for music creation. I barely have enough talent to make that. If I have to extend to video production as well ...... :-P I have digital cable with recording built in. I doubt if I'd want to record anything from US TV to DVD to keep :-P So what are people doing with their DVD recorders? Making "backup" copies of their DVD collection? :-) John --- Eric Wood wrote: > Interesting you should post this particular model. > > My own Samsung DVD writer is an SH-S182M. It > certainly does work like > a charm. And perhaps once you have DVD burning > capability in the Mac, > John, you'll find a use for it? > > Eric ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From kastegir at mac.com Tue Jul 10 13:33:40 2007 From: kastegir at mac.com (Hal Widlansky) Date: Tue Jul 10 13:33:50 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <239551.99798.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <239551.99798.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F881F25-BDC1-4D0A-95D0-D81931294CE0@mac.com> I got my DVD burner to make DVDs of my kids to send to family. I've also copied old videos to DVD, as tapes get fragile when they get old. It also comes in handy when backing up lots of data, as you can only store 700MB on a CD an over 4GB on a DVD. I think I paid $30 for the drive to drop into my G4 tower and I was able to find a patch to make it region-free. cheers, -Hal On Jul 10, 2007, at 2:05 PM, John Niven wrote: > Eric, > > At home, I mostly use my Mac's for music creation. I > barely have enough talent to make that. If I have to > extend to video production as well ...... :-P > > I have digital cable with recording built in. I doubt > if I'd want to record anything from US TV to DVD to > keep :-P > > So what are people doing with their DVD recorders? > Making "backup" copies of their DVD collection? :-) > > John > > --- Eric Wood wrote: > >> Interesting you should post this particular model. >> >> My own Samsung DVD writer is an SH-S182M. It >> certainly does work like >> a charm. And perhaps once you have DVD burning >> capability in the Mac, >> John, you'll find a use for it? >> >> Eric > From billmartinboy at mac.com Tue Jul 10 13:37:11 2007 From: billmartinboy at mac.com (Bill Boy) Date: Tue Jul 10 13:37:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <239551.99798.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <239551.99798.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So what are people doing with their DVD recorders? Making "backup" copies of their DVD collection? :-) I make a backup of every DVD I buy or create plus I have a copy on my HD and play my movies though Apple TV. I also edit many hours of video a week and burn as 25 DVD a week. If I need to make more I farm it out. This is for commercial work. Bill From ronsteinke at mac.com Tue Jul 10 23:12:19 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Tue Jul 10 23:18:25 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <493747.94062.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <493747.94062.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44094702-BD9E-4813-A93F-AAF67B0A29F5@mac.com> On 10 Jul, 2007, at 12:54 PM, John Niven wrote: > Well that would be great if I could get two drives in > my G4. Why be restrained to the G4 case? You could install any compatible drive in an external FW/USB case and it would not be affected by the "5 Play" rule. I have been using a Pioneer 109 for over three years like that. I often get DVDs from my service kids in Japan and once in a while from friends in Germany. They all play perfectly in the Pioneer. I just have to remember not to play those specific DVDs in my Mac player. From ewood at izoom.net Wed Jul 11 04:46:51 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Wed Jul 11 04:42:36 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <239551.99798.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <239551.99798.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17885AA1-8691-45C5-8337-EAC7EAC1D925@izoom.net> Hallo, I use DVDs for data backup and for burning DVD installation discs of Linux. I have yet to use one for video, unless you count burning a data DVD full of computer video. I intend to back VHS tapes up to DVDs as soon as I find a good A/V input solution. My most recent Mac purchase is an SATA card and a 500 GB drive. Time for a wee upgrade ;-) I have no talent, but I do have need of DVDs! Eric Am 10.07.2007 um 15:05 schrieb John Niven: > Eric, > > At home, I mostly use my Mac's for music creation. I > barely have enough talent to make that. If I have to > extend to video production as well ...... :-P > > I have digital cable with recording built in. I doubt > if I'd want to record anything from US TV to DVD to > keep :-P > > So what are people doing with their DVD recorders? > Making "backup" copies of their DVD collection? :-) > > John > > --- Eric Wood wrote: > >> Interesting you should post this particular model. >> >> My own Samsung DVD writer is an SH-S182M. It >> certainly does work like >> a charm. And perhaps once you have DVD burning >> capability in the Mac, >> John, you'll find a use for it? >> >> Eric > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > Yahoo! FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed Jul 11 06:41:30 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed Jul 11 06:41:34 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <44094702-BD9E-4813-A93F-AAF67B0A29F5@mac.com> Message-ID: <668556.2547.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ronald (and anybody else!), Are you saying that if I use an external firewire DVD, I will not be subject to the regional code restrictions? That sounds VERY interesting! Does an external firewire burner get recognized by Apple apps (like iTunes) the same way as an internal one? Are only certain drives recognized, or can I buy any brand? John --- Ronald Steinke wrote: > On 10 Jul, 2007, at 12:54 PM, John Niven wrote: > > > Well that would be great if I could get two drives > in > > my G4. > > > Why be restrained to the G4 case? > > You could install any compatible drive in an > external FW/USB case and > it would not be affected by the "5 Play" rule. I > have been using a > Pioneer 109 for over three years like that. I often > get DVDs from my > service kids in Japan and once in a while from > friends in Germany. > They all play perfectly in the Pioneer. > > I just have to remember not to play those specific > DVDs in my Mac > player. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From billmartinboy at mac.com Wed Jul 11 09:55:51 2007 From: billmartinboy at mac.com (Bill Boy) Date: Wed Jul 11 09:56:00 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <668556.2547.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <668556.2547.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, July 11, 2007, at 06:41AM, "John Niven" wrote: >Ronald (and anybody else!), > >Are you saying that if I use an external firewire DVD, >I will not be subject to the regional code >restrictions? That sounds VERY interesting! > >Does an external firewire burner get recognized by >Apple apps (like iTunes) the same way as an internal >one? Are only certain drives recognized, or can I buy >any brand? I have two external DVD burners (Lacie) and they are region protected. One has a NEC drive but not sure of the other one. Both work fine with all Apple software. I often have all three of my drive working at the same time. Bill From ffalcon1 at zoominternet.net Wed Jul 11 15:03:42 2007 From: ffalcon1 at zoominternet.net (Robert Walker) Date: Wed Jul 11 15:03:58 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Freezing Message-ID: <803949ba29dd152cf4d5345ac65e027f@zoominternet.net> Hello, My 450 G4 AGP 640 Mb running 10.3.9, tends to freeze while I am working from one window to another. It seems to freeze most frequently when I am moving the mouse. Any ideas or suggestions regarding this topic would be greatly appreciated. Rob Walker From skygram at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 15:16:47 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Wed Jul 11 15:17:01 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Freezing In-Reply-To: <803949ba29dd152cf4d5345ac65e027f@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: Rob, I have a G4 from the same generation. Check out Applejack. It might do the trick. Or use Disc Warrior if you have it. http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ To access this site use Camino or Firefox or IE as there is a bug in Safari that causes problems seeing this web site. Bill From wayne at troutnc.com Wed Jul 11 15:29:24 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Wed Jul 11 15:30:05 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Freezing In-Reply-To: <803949ba29dd152cf4d5345ac65e027f@zoominternet.net> References: <803949ba29dd152cf4d5345ac65e027f@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <469559C4.301@troutnc.com> Robert Walker wrote: > Hello, > > My 450 G4 AGP 640 Mb running 10.3.9, tends to freeze while I am > working from one window to another. It seems to freeze most frequently > when I am moving the mouse. Any ideas or suggestions regarding this > topic would be greatly appreciated. > > Rob Walker > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > You don't say what you do to unfreeze the machine. You don't say what type of mouse you are using. You don't say what app's windows you are moving between. So you haven't helped us very much in helping you. If it is a true freeze of the operating system and not just the mouse becoming inoperative, you might check the preferences folder for corruption, especially the apps you have open at the time of the freeze. Suspect anything you have installed since the computer last acted like it should, because it is most likely acting inappropriately in response to some change you have made to the operating system and/or its environs. By all means, verify your boot drive to be sure your OS is healthy. I recently had what appeared to be a computer freeze, but when I connected another mouse, I could once again move the cursor. That's when I figured I needed to change the batteries in the wireless mouse I was using. It was not a computer freeze at all. You don't tell us enough to preclude that as your problem. From alanmagnus at mac.com Wed Jul 11 16:12:00 2007 From: alanmagnus at mac.com (Alan C. Magnus) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:12:09 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Freezing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11 Jul 2007, at 17:16, Skygram wrote: > Rob, > > > http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ > > To access this site use Camino or Firefox or IE as there is a bug > in Safari > that causes problems seeing this web site. > > Bill > > I have no problem accessing this site using Safari v3.0.2 Alan From skygram at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 16:40:46 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Wed Jul 11 16:41:00 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Freezing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On 11 Jul 2007, at 17:16, Skygram wrote: > >> Rob, >> >> >> http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ >> >> To access this site use Camino or Firefox or IE as there is a bug >> in Safari >> that causes problems seeing this web site. >> >> Bill >> >> Hi Alan, I was only mentioning what the web site itself warned on their home page. Bill From davidminger at npgcable.com Wed Jul 11 21:51:28 2007 From: davidminger at npgcable.com (David Minger NPG Cable) Date: Wed Jul 11 21:51:46 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17C24EC0-5D3C-4AFC-8195-62549C9F021E@npgcable.com> Hi, I've got a whole range of Macs from 68K up through G5s. I have 2 G4s (a 450 and a 533). I've been able to keep the 450 updated to the latest OS X, but the 533 is stuck a couple of feline animals into the past. For whatever reason it will not handle the upgrade CDs that the 450 handles just fine. The 533 OS is therefore getting more and more out of date. Any ideas on what the problem is and how to fix? Best, David From skygram at gmail.com Wed Jul 11 22:04:19 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Wed Jul 11 22:04:29 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <17C24EC0-5D3C-4AFC-8195-62549C9F021E@npgcable.com> Message-ID: David, Can you be a bit clearer as to what you mean when you say they can't "handle" the upgrade discs? What upgrade discs are you referring to? When you say upgrade discs do you mean the newer OS discs, such as the Tiger discs upgrading from the Panther discs? Bill From ewood at izoom.net Thu Jul 12 01:39:39 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Thu Jul 12 01:35:24 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <17C24EC0-5D3C-4AFC-8195-62549C9F021E@npgcable.com> References: <17C24EC0-5D3C-4AFC-8195-62549C9F021E@npgcable.com> Message-ID: <3B00B3B8-0F80-4F93-A495-7AE5C83C25C7@izoom.net> I've never seen Tiger on CDs, actually. Only on DVDs. You certain that your 533 G4 has a capable drive for the discs you're using? Eric Am 11.07.2007 um 23:51 schrieb David Minger NPG Cable: > Hi, > > I've got a whole range of Macs from 68K up through G5s. I have 2 > G4s (a 450 and a 533). I've been able to keep the 450 updated to > the latest OS X, but the 533 is stuck a couple of feline animals > into the past. For whatever reason it will not handle the upgrade > CDs that the 450 handles just fine. > > The 533 OS is therefore getting more and more out of date. > > Any ideas on what the problem is and how to fix? > > Best, > David > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From jomph at xs4all.nl Thu Jul 12 06:01:07 2007 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Thu Jul 12 06:01:19 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <3B00B3B8-0F80-4F93-A495-7AE5C83C25C7@izoom.net> Message-ID: On 12-07-2007 10:39, Eric Wood, ewood@izoom.net, wrote: > I've never seen Tiger on CDs, actually. Only on DVDs. You certain > that your 533 G4 has a capable drive for the discs you're using? You always can/could get Tiger on DVD OR CD. You even can/could send your Tiger-install-DVD to Apple, pay a few dollars/euro's and receive Iger on CD's back. Jo Hissel From davidminger at npgcable.com Thu Jul 12 09:12:15 2007 From: davidminger at npgcable.com (David Minger NPG Cable) Date: Thu Jul 12 09:12:29 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> To clarify: The G4 533 will accept the install Tiger DVD meaning you can put it in and it knows there is a DVD there. But when you try to actually upgrade the system closes out the DVD and will not perform the install. The same install DVD worked fine on a G4 450. The same G4 533 reads all other DVDs just fine. It would seem odd that a faster machine (the 533) could not perform the same OS install that a slower machine (the 450) did just fine with. Both machines are running with over a gig of RAM and plenty of free disk space. Cheers, David On Jul 11, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Skygram wrote: > David, > > Can you be a bit clearer as to what you mean when you say they can't > "handle" the upgrade discs? > > What upgrade discs are you referring to? > > When you say upgrade discs do you mean the newer OS discs, such as > the Tiger > discs upgrading from the Panther discs? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From harry at gifutiger.com Thu Jul 12 09:23:57 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Thu Jul 12 09:24:09 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> References: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Is your Tiger DVD a machine specific DVD or is it the universal install. Or perhaps its' an up-grade DVD. ---------------------------------------------------- On Jul 12, 2007, at 9:12 AM, David Minger NPG Cable wrote: > To clarify: The G4 533 will accept the install Tiger DVD meaning you > can put it in and it knows there is a DVD there. But when you try to > actually upgrade the system closes out the DVD and will not perform > the install. > > The same install DVD worked fine on a G4 450. > > The same G4 533 reads all other DVDs just fine. > > It would seem odd that a faster machine (the 533) could not perform > the same OS install that a slower machine (the 450) did just fine > with. Both machines are running with over a gig of RAM and plenty of > free disk space. > > Cheers, > David > > On Jul 11, 2007, at 10:04 PM, Skygram wrote: > >> David, >> >> Can you be a bit clearer as to what you mean when you say they can't >> "handle" the upgrade discs? >> >> What upgrade discs are you referring to? >> >> When you say upgrade discs do you mean the newer OS discs, such as >> the Tiger >> discs upgrading from the Panther discs? >> >> Bill >> _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From ronsteinke at mac.com Thu Jul 12 12:09:15 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Thu Jul 12 12:15:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <668556.2547.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <668556.2547.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04D02431-A2E5-4F5D-8201-30438ED19ECE@mac.com> On 11 Jul, 2007, at 6:41 AM, John Niven wrote: > Are you saying that if I use an external firewire DVD, > I will not be subject to the regional code > restrictions? That sounds VERY interesting! I am using an external FireWire/USB case with a Pioneer 110D DVD/RW player and VLC to view my DVDs. I like the interface a bit better than Apple DVD Player and set VLC to be my default player. So far, I haven't seen anything on screen that indicates I will be limited to a certain number of viewings before a change is permanent. I have heard that there are software solutions to the limit restriction. One way was to delete preferences, but I'm not exactly sure which pref file to look for. Another way is to "flash" the drive ROM, but I have never done that and have some concerns that it may or may not work properly. One program that I have used to move DVD movies to my iPod is MacTheRipper. It can remove region settings during the ripping process and you wind up with a region free movie that you can play on anything. Another program I downloaded, but haven't used yet, is Handbrake. It comes in two versions, so you have to decide how you want to use it. From wogears at comcast.net Thu Jul 12 12:29:11 2007 From: wogears at comcast.net (Les Berkley) Date: Thu Jul 12 12:29:49 2007 Subject: [G4] Combo drive recomendations? In-Reply-To: <04D02431-A2E5-4F5D-8201-30438ED19ECE@mac.com> Message-ID: <000001c7c4ba$ed648ee0$2a01a8c0@BILLQSBOX> > -----Original Message----- > I am using an external FireWire/USB case with a Pioneer 110D DVD/RW > player and VLC to view my DVDs. I like the interface a bit better > than Apple DVD Player and set VLC to be my default player. So far, I > haven't seen anything on screen that indicates I will be limited to a > certain number of viewings before a change is permanent. It's not the number of viewings, it's the number of changes. Five is the max, then the last change becomes permanent. > > One program that I have used to move DVD movies to my iPod is > MacTheRipper. It can remove region settings during the ripping > process and you wind up with a region free movie that you can play on > anything. Another program I downloaded, but haven't used yet, is > Handbrake. It comes in two versions, so you have to decide how you > want to use it. There are hacks and programs to get around the region limitations. Since I travel a lot, I make sure I have taken care of this problem and can play my LEGALLY PURCHASED DVDs. My desktop with the big monitor is a Windoze box, so I can't recommend specific software. I'm sure if you Google "dvd region mac" the answer will be swift! Les From ronsteinke at mac.com Thu Jul 12 12:26:47 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Thu Jul 12 12:32:53 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> References: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> Message-ID: On 12 Jul, 2007, at 9:12 AM, David Minger NPG Cable wrote: > To clarify: The G4 533 will accept the install Tiger DVD meaning > you can put it in and it knows there is a DVD there. But when you > try to actually upgrade the system closes out the DVD and will not > perform the install. I realize that this may sound simple, but.... Are you trying to boot to the install DVD or just insert it and double-click on the icon? Your G4 has to boot from the DVD in order to install the OS. From wayne at troutnc.com Thu Jul 12 15:33:45 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Thu Jul 12 15:34:23 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <17C24EC0-5D3C-4AFC-8195-62549C9F021E@npgcable.com> References: <17C24EC0-5D3C-4AFC-8195-62549C9F021E@npgcable.com> Message-ID: <4696AC49.1050000@troutnc.com> David Minger NPG Cable wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a whole range of Macs from 68K up through G5s. I have 2 G4s (a > 450 and a 533). I've been able to keep the 450 updated to the latest OS > X, but the 533 is stuck a couple of feline animals into the past. For > whatever reason it will not handle the upgrade CDs that the 450 handles > just fine. > > The 533 OS is therefore getting more and more out of date. > > Any ideas on what the problem is and how to fix? > > Best, > David > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > I'd clone your most up-to-date OS to a hard drive and install the HD in the 533. Of course, make sure the HD is jumpered correctly for the installation. Then boot the 533 and see if the cloned system shows up in Startup Disk system pref. If so, select it and reboot. See what happens. From harry at gifutiger.com Thu Jul 12 16:45:00 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Thu Jul 12 16:45:10 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <4696AC49.1050000@troutnc.com> References: <17C24EC0-5D3C-4AFC-8195-62549C9F021E@npgcable.com> <4696AC49.1050000@troutnc.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Just a word about the Mac (Unix) core file and kernel, I don't think that the kernel for the 450 will run the 533 without problems. ---------------------------------------------------- On Jul 12, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > David Minger NPG Cable wrote: >> Hi, >> I've got a whole range of Macs from 68K up through G5s. I have 2 G4s >> (a 450 and a 533). I've been able to keep the 450 updated to the >> latest OS X, but the 533 is stuck a couple of feline animals into the >> past. For whatever reason it will not handle the upgrade CDs that the >> 450 handles just fine. >> The 533 OS is therefore getting more and more out of date. >> Any ideas on what the problem is and how to fix? >> Best, >> David >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > I'd clone your most up-to-date OS to a hard drive and install the HD > in the 533. Of course, make sure the HD is jumpered correctly for the > installation. > Then boot the 533 and see if the cloned system shows up in Startup > Disk system pref. If so, select it and reboot. See what happens. > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From ewood at izoom.net Thu Jul 12 23:39:59 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (ewood@izoom.net) Date: Thu Jul 12 23:40:09 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: References: <17C24EC0-5D3C-4AFC-8195-62549C9F021E@npgcable.com> <4696AC49.1050000@troutnc.com> Message-ID: <53418.208.38.111.235.1184308799.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> I was unaware of any difference between the kernel used on one PowerPC Mac and another. Even Linux uses one kernel for all supported machines of a particular architecture. I think if the 533 can't upgrade an installed system, but it is capable of booting from a Panther or Tiger CD or DVD, then Mr. Minger ought to install that system fresh. If it's not reading the discs, try a different optical drive in that machine. Eric > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Just a word about the Mac (Unix) core file and kernel, I don't think > that the kernel for the 450 will run the 533 without problems. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On Jul 12, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > >> David Minger NPG Cable wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I've got a whole range of Macs from 68K up through G5s. I have 2 G4s >>> (a 450 and a 533). I've been able to keep the 450 updated to the >>> latest OS X, but the 533 is stuck a couple of feline animals into the >>> past. For whatever reason it will not handle the upgrade CDs that the >>> 450 handles just fine. >>> The 533 OS is therefore getting more and more out of date. >>> Any ideas on what the problem is and how to fix? >>> Best, >>> David >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >>> stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> I'd clone your most up-to-date OS to a hard drive and install the HD >> in the 533. Of course, make sure the HD is jumpered correctly for the >> installation. >> Then boot the 533 and see if the cloned system shows up in Startup >> Disk system pref. If so, select it and reboot. See what happens. >> _______________________________________________ > > Cheers, /\*_*/\ > > Harry (*^_^*) > * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? > Congress! > Men's restroom House of Representatives, > Washington, DC > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From ben91rose at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 19:34:47 2007 From: ben91rose at gmail.com (Ben Rose) Date: Tue Jul 17 19:34:56 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: References: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> Message-ID: <4a10dc230707171934m9a89962g6027754461676e55@mail.gmail.com> On 7/12/07, Ronald Steinke wrote: I realize that this may sound simple, but.... > > Are you trying to boot to the install DVD or just insert it and > double-click on the icon? Your G4 has to boot from the DVD in order > to install the OS. I feel that this comment has been overlooked. To boot from the optical drive: Pop in the OS Install Disc and Restart while holding down the C key. If that doesn't work, try swapping out the CD/DVD drives from your 450 to your 533 and re-trying. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070717/5ad10ad1/attachment.html From davidminger at npgcable.com Tue Jul 17 21:14:09 2007 From: davidminger at npgcable.com (David Minger NPG Cable) Date: Tue Jul 17 21:14:18 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <4a10dc230707171934m9a89962g6027754461676e55@mail.gmail.com> References: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> <4a10dc230707171934m9a89962g6027754461676e55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <294BFF67-3E2D-4030-94A9-F20D650E61AB@npgcable.com> Thanks Ben, Ronald and everyone else who replied. Yes, the situation is that I cannot boot from the install DVD even if I restart and hold down C. I think I am left with swapping out drives and trying again. Question: (a) any online tips / procedures for swapping out the drive? Thanks again -- I appreciate all your thoughts and suggestions and will reread all the advice. David On Jul 17, 2007, at 7:34 PM, Ben Rose wrote: > > > On 7/12/07, Ronald Steinke wrote: > I realize that this may sound simple, but.... > > Are you trying to boot to the install DVD or just insert it and > double-click on the icon? Your G4 has to boot from the DVD in order > to install the OS. > > I feel that this comment has been overlooked. To boot from the > optical drive: Pop in the OS Install Disc and Restart while holding > down the C key. If that doesn't work, try swapping out the CD/DVD > drives from your 450 to your 533 and re-trying. > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070717/bf467f76/attachment.html From ronsteinke at mac.com Tue Jul 17 21:18:32 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Tue Jul 17 21:24:56 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <294BFF67-3E2D-4030-94A9-F20D650E61AB@npgcable.com> References: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> <4a10dc230707171934m9a89962g6027754461676e55@mail.gmail.com> <294BFF67-3E2D-4030-94A9-F20D650E61AB@npgcable.com> Message-ID: On 17 Jul, 2007, at 9:14 PM, David Minger NPG Cable wrote: > Question: (a) any online tips / procedures for swapping out the drive? IIRC, both machines are G4 models, so the take-apart is the same for both. 1. Disconnect the power cord. 2. Open the case. 3. Touch the casing of the power supply to ground yourself. 4. Look inside the edge of the case nearest the CD reader for a pair of plastic tabs that come from the front panel. 5. Gently press the tabs toward the CD reader and then toward the front of the computer. 6. Remove the front panel. 7. Remove the two screws that hold the sub-chassis in place. 8. Pull the sub-chassis forward about two inches and disconnect the IDE ribbon and sound cable if necessary. 9. Completely remove the sub-chassis from the computer. 10. Remove the four screws holding the CD reader to the sub-chassis. 11. Swap the CD readers from the machines. 12. Reverse the above procedure to reinstall the swapped readers. 13. Start the computer and insert the installation discs. This should get you back in the running IF your problem was simply not having the right type of reader in the machine you wanted to do the OS installation on. If this doesn't fix your problem, you have a more complicated problem than I can easily describe a solution for. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070717/c2830fed/attachment-0001.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 22:11:49 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Jul 17 22:12:01 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <362472.47809.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yeh, but you forgot the power connector to the drive. So once you get to number 13 you have to go all they way back to number 1, and start again :-) John (smartarse) --- Ronald Steinke wrote: > On 17 Jul, 2007, at 9:14 PM, David Minger NPG Cable > wrote: > > > Question: (a) any online tips / procedures for > swapping out the drive? > > IIRC, both machines are G4 models, so the take-apart > is the same for > both. > > 1. Disconnect the power cord. > 2. Open the case. > 3. Touch the casing of the power supply to ground > yourself. > 4. Look inside the edge of the case nearest the CD > reader for a pair > of plastic tabs that come from the front panel. > 5. Gently press the tabs toward the CD reader and > then toward the > front of the computer. > 6. Remove the front panel. > 7. Remove the two screws that hold the sub-chassis > in place. > 8. Pull the sub-chassis forward about two inches and > disconnect the > IDE ribbon and sound cable if necessary. > 9. Completely remove the sub-chassis from the > computer. > 10. Remove the four screws holding the CD reader to > the sub-chassis. > 11. Swap the CD readers from the machines. > 12. Reverse the above procedure to reinstall the > swapped readers. > 13. Start the computer and insert the installation > discs. > > This should get you back in the running IF your > problem was simply > not having the right type of reader in the machine > you wanted to do > the OS installation on. > > If this doesn't fix your problem, you have a more > complicated problem > than I can easily describe a solution for.> _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From harry at gifutiger.com Wed Jul 18 01:56:23 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed Jul 18 01:56:27 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <17C24EC0-5D3C-4AFC-8195-62549C9F021E@npgcable.com> References: <17C24EC0-5D3C-4AFC-8195-62549C9F021E@npgcable.com> Message-ID: One last question, how many hard drives are installed in the 533? ---------------------------------------------------- On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:51 PM, David Minger NPG Cable wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a whole range of Macs from 68K up through G5s. I have 2 G4s > (a 450 and a 533). I've been able to keep the 450 updated to the > latest OS X, but the 533 is stuck a couple of feline animals into the > past. For whatever reason it will not handle the upgrade CDs that the > 450 handles just fine. > > The 533 OS is therefore getting more and more out of date. > > Any ideas on what the problem is and how to fix? > > Best, > David > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From ronsteinke at mac.com Wed Jul 18 11:47:55 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Wed Jul 18 11:54:02 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <362472.47809.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <362472.47809.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 17 Jul, 2007, at 22:11, John Niven wrote: > Yeh, but you forgot the power connector to the drive. You know something........you're right. But, I am not going to type all that over again just because of a missing step. What I'll do is what all experienced computer users do in this sort of situation: Select, Copy, Create new email document, Paste, Insert cursor, Add text, and Resend. You can consider it done, okay? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070718/e13897d4/attachment.html From hal9001 at panix.com Sat Jul 21 12:34:43 2007 From: hal9001 at panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Date: Sat Jul 21 13:14:05 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: <294BFF67-3E2D-4030-94A9-F20D650E61AB@npgcable.com> References: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> <4a10dc230707171934m9a89962g6027754461676e55@mail.gmail.com> <294BFF67-3E2D-4030-94A9-F20D650E61AB@npgcable.com> Message-ID: At 21:14 -0700 on 07/17/2007, David Minger NPG Cable wrote about Re: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs: >Thanks Ben, Ronald and everyone else who replied. > >Yes, the situation is that I cannot boot from the install DVD even >if I restart and hold down C. > >I think I am left with swapping out drives and trying again. > >Question: (a) any online tips / procedures for swapping out the drive? > >Thanks again -- I appreciate all your thoughts and suggestions and >will reread all the advice. Put the DVD in the drive after you've booted into MacOS X. Now select Start Up Disk from System Preferences and see if the DVD shows up. If not, then the DVD is not bootable (or you do not have a DVD Drive). If it shows up then select the DVD and restart (it should now boot off it). Do not worry about pointing at the DVD Drive since once it is removed, the system will give the Folder with Question Mark logo and then boot off your Hard Drive (Do not forget to reset the Boot Drive back to the Hard Drive or it will continue to do this until you do). You can also try booting with the DVD in the drive and holding OPTION. This will give you a list of bootable drives to select from (Select the DVD) for THIS boot without resetting the boot drive as the System Preference does. From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 13:39:02 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick Ramsowr) Date: Sat Jul 21 13:39:17 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading... Message-ID: Question: Is it possible to mount a QuickSilver 2002 Version 2 motherboard in a original QuickSilver? Is it possible to mount a MDD motherboard in a original QuickSilver? 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070721/84b65603/attachment.html From zealtime at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 13:53:30 2007 From: zealtime at sbcglobal.net (Mike Lemos) Date: Sat Jul 21 13:53:36 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: References: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> <4a10dc230707171934m9a89962g6027754461676e55@mail.gmail.com> <294BFF67-3E2D-4030-94A9-F20D650E61AB@npgcable.com> Message-ID: Hi robert, Thank you for your reply and the information provided. I have actually tried these suggestions and the disk does show up as bootable in the system preferences and I select it, restart and the computer does the mac "chime" after which it ejects the disk. When I try holding down the option key the DVD does not list. I also have tried holding down the "C" key and the disk simply ejects although I have had one other occurrence when doing this and that is it starts up in OS 9 with desktop messages appearing that state that since I have started up from the DVD certain functions will not be available. So after all this I was able to speak with tech support from the people I purchased the disk from and their feelings are that the DVD is a bad disk and they are going to replace it. (YAY!) So we'll see once I receive the new disk if my problem is solved. If you would like, once I do (or if) I'll update you so that you can be informed as to what ended up solving this issue. Let me know. Once again, I thank you for your help. Best. Mike Lemos On Jul 21, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: > At 21:14 -0700 on 07/17/2007, David Minger NPG Cable wrote about Re: > [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs: > >> Thanks Ben, Ronald and everyone else who replied. >> >> Yes, the situation is that I cannot boot from the install DVD even if >> I restart and hold down C. >> >> I think I am left with swapping out drives and trying again. >> >> Question: (a) any online tips / procedures for swapping out the drive? >> >> Thanks again -- I appreciate all your thoughts and suggestions and >> will reread all the advice. > > Put the DVD in the drive after you've booted into MacOS X. Now select > Start Up Disk from System Preferences and see if the DVD shows up. If > not, then the DVD is not bootable (or you do not have a DVD Drive). If > it shows up then select the DVD and restart (it should now boot off > it). Do not worry about pointing at the DVD Drive since once it is > removed, the system will give the Folder with Question Mark logo and > then boot off your Hard Drive (Do not forget to reset the Boot Drive > back to the Hard Drive or it will continue to do this until you do). > You can also try booting with the DVD in the drive and holding OPTION. > This will give you a list of bootable drives to select from (Select > the DVD) for THIS boot without resetting the boot drive as the System > Preference does. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Mike Lemos zealtime@sbcglobal.net http://mlemos.blogspot.com/ From zealtime at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 13:56:25 2007 From: zealtime at sbcglobal.net (Mike Lemos) Date: Sat Jul 21 13:56:41 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6b22ccf581d1c89b10fb3afa4e46731f@sbcglobal.net> Hi Rick, I don't have the knowledge to be answer and help you with this issue, but I'll research it and see if I can help you find your answer. Best. Mike Lemos On Jul 21, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > Question: > > Is it possible to mount a QuickSilver 2002 Version 2 motherboard in a > original?QuickSilver? > > Is it possible to mount a MDD?motherboard in a original?QuickSilver? > > Yours > > > Richard D. Ramsowr > Principle > The Genesis\Fusion Group > Houston > 281-345-8568 > r.ramsowr@sbcglobal.net > > The information contained in this communication is confidential > and?proprietary information intended only for the individual or entity > to whom?it is addressed.?Any unauthorized use, distribution, copying, > or disclosure?of this communication is strictly prohibited.? If you > have received this?communication in error, please contact the sender > immediately. If you?believe this communication is inappropriate or > offensive, please contact The Genesis\Fusion Group > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Mike Lemos Illustrator/Graphic Designer zealtime@sbcglobal.net http://mlemos.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1979 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070721/968038be/attachment-0001.bin From hal9001 at panix.com Sat Jul 21 19:45:57 2007 From: hal9001 at panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Date: Sat Jul 21 19:46:23 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs In-Reply-To: References: <063F5D49-417E-46A7-91AC-3C4B24DF670E@npgcable.com> <4a10dc230707171934m9a89962g6027754461676e55@mail.gmail.com> <294BFF67-3E2D-4030-94A9-F20D650E61AB@npgcable.com> Message-ID: At 13:53 -0700 on 07/21/2007, Mike Lemos wrote about Re: [G4] G4 won't read OS X upgrade CDs: >Hi robert, > >Thank you for your reply and the information provided. I have >actually tried these suggestions and the disk does show up as >bootable in the system preferences and I select it, restart and the >computer does the mac "chime" after which it ejects the disk. When I >try holding down the option key the DVD does not list. I also have >tried holding down the "C" key and the disk simply ejects although I >have had one other occurrence when doing this and that is it starts >up in OS 9 with desktop messages appearing that state that since I >have started up from the DVD certain functions will not be available. >So after all this I was able to speak with tech support from the >people I purchased the disk from and their feelings are that the DVD >is a bad disk and they are going to replace it. (YAY!) >So we'll see once I receive the new disk if my problem is solved. If >you would like, once I do (or if) I'll update you so that you can be >informed as to what ended up solving this issue. Let me know. > >Once again, I thank you for your help. >Best. >Mike Lemos Yes please keep me updated. As you guessed I like to know the outcome of my attempts to help . BTW: Failure to show up in the option-key list implies that the disk has no System folder and is thus not bootable. You can check by just mounting and opening the DVD. From code_mafia at cox.net Tue Jul 24 05:07:12 2007 From: code_mafia at cox.net (Code Mafia) Date: Tue Jul 24 05:07:26 2007 Subject: [G4] Quicksilver won't power on Message-ID: <000201c7cdeb$2b9a7560$6401a8c0@radsthinkpad> A week or so ago we had some storms, the power went out and stayed off long enough to drain my battery backup. The power eventually came back on. I tried to turn my Quicksilver on, but it won't power up. The power button lights up when I push it, but the fans don't come on and it won't start. I had it plugged into both a surge protector and battery backup. Any suggestions? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070724/410195b1/attachment.html From hrldott at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 05:15:12 2007 From: hrldott at gmail.com (Harald Ott) Date: Tue Jul 24 05:15:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Quicksilver won't power on In-Reply-To: <000201c7cdeb$2b9a7560$6401a8c0@radsthinkpad> References: <000201c7cdeb$2b9a7560$6401a8c0@radsthinkpad> Message-ID: <7351019e0707240515x43225e5dw120a7dbfe2440473@mail.gmail.com> Try plugging it directly into an electric outlet, your battery may be dead on your UPS. On 7/24/07, Code Mafia wrote: > > > > > A week or so ago we had some storms, the power went out and stayed off long > enough to drain my battery backup. The power eventually came back on. I > tried to turn my Quicksilver on, but it won't power up. The power button > lights up when I push it, but the fans don't come on and it won't start. I > had it plugged into both a surge protector and battery backup. Any > suggestions? Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From adickstein1 at hvc.rr.com Tue Jul 24 06:40:28 2007 From: adickstein1 at hvc.rr.com (Allen Dickstein) Date: Tue Jul 24 06:40:34 2007 Subject: [G4] quicksilver won't power on Message-ID: <4dbffa0dd719ad7cd75dba4f10c144bb@hvc.rr.com> There is an internal reset button that you must press to get started again. From galilao at lava.net Tue Jul 24 09:44:02 2007 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Tue Jul 24 09:44:19 2007 Subject: [G4] Quicksilver won't power on In-Reply-To: <000201c7cdeb$2b9a7560$6401a8c0@radsthinkpad> Message-ID: Code Mafia7/24/07 2:07 AM A week or so ago we had some storms, the power went out and stayed off long enough to drain my battery backup. The power eventually came back on. I tried to turn my Quicksilver on, but it won?t power up. The power button lights up when I push it, but the fans don?t come on and it won?t start. I had it plugged into both a surge protector and battery backup. Any suggestions? Thanks. _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Hello, Try pushing the Power Management Unit (PMU) button on the main logic board once. Good luck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070724/b958d722/attachment.html From obgraph at hiwaay.net Tue Jul 24 10:09:46 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Tue Jul 24 10:09:54 2007 Subject: [G4] Quicksilver won't power on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070724120946.434421.d768b375@hiwaay.net> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:44:02 -1000, Bruce Ryan Nakamura wrote: > Try pushing the Power Management Unit (PMU) button on the main > logic board once. Yes, that was to have been my suggestion. It's a small thing on the motherboard that's easy to get to if you know where to look -- you can find a photo showing where it is somewhere. Use a pencil or something to push it with. If I remember correctly, you're supposed to push it down for less than 10 seconds (not sure). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From code_mafia at cox.net Tue Jul 24 17:52:28 2007 From: code_mafia at cox.net (Code Mafia) Date: Tue Jul 24 17:52:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Quicksilver won't power on In-Reply-To: <20070724120946.434421.d768b375@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <001301c7ce56$134ed030$6401a8c0@radsthinkpad> Thanks guys, that's exactly what it was. I found the diagram and procedure here if anyone else needs it: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=95037 -----Original Message----- From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:10 PM To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Subject: Re: [G4] Quicksilver won't power on On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:44:02 -1000, Bruce Ryan Nakamura wrote: > Try pushing the Power Management Unit (PMU) button on the main > logic board once. Yes, that was to have been my suggestion. It's a small thing on the motherboard that's easy to get to if you know where to look -- you can find a photo showing where it is somewhere. Use a pencil or something to push it with. If I remember correctly, you're supposed to push it down for less than 10 seconds (not sure). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From kiwi88usa at yahoo.com Fri Jul 27 06:08:45 2007 From: kiwi88usa at yahoo.com (kiwi88usa@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Jul 27 06:08:54 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Welcome to the "G4" mailing list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <582685.95545.qm@web34414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: Welcome to the G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com General information about the mailing list is at: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/options/g4/kiwi88usa%40yahoo.com You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: G4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: tuakau Normally, Mailman will remind you of your listserver.themacintoshguy.com mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. 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I know it won't do anything to speed up my internet connection, but I was considering upgrading to a gigabit switch to take advantage of the the extra speed potential on my LAN (file and printer sharing). Anybody got any experience with Apples built-in gigabit ethernet interface? Does it work? Cheers, John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From harry at gifutiger.com Mon Jul 30 09:05:05 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Jul 30 09:05:10 2007 Subject: [G4] How good is Gigabit Ethernet (on a G4 GE)? In-Reply-To: <526515.99790.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <526515.99790.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Sure, your Gigabit platform is rated at 10/100/1000 Base-T (RJ-45) connection, so moving to a gigabit router/switch will increase you transfer of data between the machines by a factor of 10. So if you do a lot of large file transfers the you will cut down on the time required to complete the job. However if you don't do a lot of "Large" file transfers then it's just something to satisfy your curiosity. ---------------------------------------------------- On Jul 30, 2007, at 8:21 AM, John Niven wrote: > I have a three Gigabit Ethernet G4's at home on my > (currently) 100bT wired/wireless network. I know it > won't do anything to speed up my internet connection, > but I was considering upgrading to a gigabit switch to > take advantage of the the extra speed potential on my > LAN (file and printer sharing). > > Anybody got any experience with Apples built-in > gigabit ethernet interface? Does it work? > > Cheers, > John > _____________________________________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From jmsparks1 at verizon.net Mon Jul 30 14:32:56 2007 From: jmsparks1 at verizon.net (John Sparks) Date: Mon Jul 30 14:32:48 2007 Subject: [G4] Mail 2 Days Difference Message-ID: Hello G4 List: I have 2 Computers on same Network, 1 only retrieves mail 2 days old. I have a Powermac G4 Dual 1.25Ghz, with OS 10.4.10, and a Powerbook G4 867, with OS 10.3. I use Mac Mail, and have Verizon DSL, with a Wireless Modem.The Powerbook is on a Cat 5 cable down stairs. The desk job gets mail smoothly and fast, down stairs the PB only downloads mail that is 2 days past. The Preferences appear to be the same. Question why and what do I need to do to have both getting latest mail???. Thank much,John From briang113 at pacbell.net Mon Jul 30 16:06:58 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Mon Jul 30 16:07:05 2007 Subject: [G4] Mail 2 Days Difference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40BC6E84-04DA-4DCD-83EF-C60FD40DA48F@pacbell.net> Does the mail actually show up two days later or is it dated two days later? Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Jul 30, 2007, at 2:32 PM, John Sparks wrote: > Hello G4 List: > I have 2 Computers on same Network, 1 only retrieves mail 2 days old. > > I have a Powermac G4 Dual 1.25Ghz, with OS 10.4.10, and a Powerbook > G4 867, with OS 10.3. > I use Mac Mail, and have Verizon DSL, with a Wireless Modem.The > Powerbook is on a Cat 5 cable down stairs. The desk job gets mail > smoothly and fast, down stairs the PB only downloads mail that is 2 > days past. The Preferences appear to be the same. Question why and > what do I need to do to have both getting latest mail???. > Thank much,John > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4