From ronsteinke at mac.com Tue May 1 00:34:41 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Tue May 1 00:38:05 2007 Subject: [G4] Decisions ... decisions? In-Reply-To: <4636B27B.40208@frontiernet.net> References: <4636B27B.40208@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On 30 Apr, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Dan A Currie wrote: > My son wants me to turn his Beige G3/333 into a FrankenMac like his > sisters. > > I can use a Sonnet G3/500 ZIF with 1MB cache processor OR an Apple > PowerMac G4/400 ZIF with 1MB cache and over clock it to 500Mhz. > > Thoughts, suggestions and warnings appreciated! Go with the Sonnet upgrade. Overclocking can be counterproductive and testy at times. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070501/efd85055/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue May 1 04:16:23 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue May 1 04:16:28 2007 Subject: [G4] Decisions ... decisions? In-Reply-To: <4636B27B.40208@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <133467.8776.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dan, I just picked up a blue and white tower for $15 from CL. Needs some work but isn't it time to move on? John --- Dan A Currie wrote: > Hello All, > > My son wants me to turn his Beige G3/333 into a > FrankenMac like his sisters. > > I can use a Sonnet G3/500 ZIF with 1MB cache > processor OR an Apple > PowerMac G4/400 ZIF with 1MB cache and over clock it > to 500Mhz. > > Thoughts, suggestions and warnings appreciated! > > Later, > > Dan Currie > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From soyjourner at mac.com Tue May 1 09:47:08 2007 From: soyjourner at mac.com (Joshua Hough) Date: Tue May 1 09:47:15 2007 Subject: [G4] iBook take-apart manual please? Message-ID: <4a8dd8cc0705010947s1752d52dt7a0643a97fccc673@mail.gmail.com> I bought a used iBook 700MHz G3 from OWC. Here's the exact model: . The screen is dead. By all auditory indications the iBook boots normally, but the screen and the big apple logo on the reverse side are dark. I suspect a dislodged or damaged display cable. Can someone please send me a link to the take-apart manual so I can check the video connection? Also, is there a separate video card that I can pull out and then reinsert? Thanks. -josh From macsys at mac.com Tue May 1 11:57:39 2007 From: macsys at mac.com (Wayne Wilkin) Date: Tue May 1 11:58:10 2007 Subject: [G4] iBook take-apart manual please? In-Reply-To: <4a8dd8cc0705010947s1752d52dt7a0643a97fccc673@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a8dd8cc0705010947s1752d52dt7a0643a97fccc673@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ACC2C23-1613-499E-A76D-43299874E9AE@mac.com> http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/ On May 1, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Joshua Hough wrote: > I bought a used iBook 700MHz G3 from OWC. Here's the exact model: > . > The screen is dead. By all auditory indications the iBook boots > normally, but the screen and the big apple logo on the reverse side > are dark. I suspect a dislodged or damaged display cable. Can > someone please send me a link to the take-apart manual so I can check > the video connection? Also, is there a separate video card that I can > pull out and then reinsert? Thanks. > > -josh > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From nagable at comcast.net Tue May 1 12:04:46 2007 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Tue May 1 12:05:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Decisions ... decisions? Message-ID: <050120071904.24481.46378F4E0000FBF000005FA122155934140A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Dan A Currie Subject: [G4] Decisions ... decisions? Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 03:22:50 +0000 Size: 821 Url: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070501/9c36596d/attachment-0001.mht From sean at hogheaven.com Tue May 1 14:30:03 2007 From: sean at hogheaven.com (Sean Collins) Date: Tue May 1 14:36:47 2007 Subject: [G4] Decisions ... decisions? In-Reply-To: <20070501190503.9831DC9634A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070501190503.9831DC9634A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: IMHO, spending that kind of money on a processor upgrade for a beige g3 is a waste, when for a few dollars more, you can have a real G4: http://www.megamacs.com/v1/index.php?cat=10003 Aside from processor type & speed, the beige boxes are saddled with obsolete interfaces & busses, which are significantly slower than a real G4. Sean >My son wants me to turn his Beige G3/333 into a FrankenMac like his sisters. > >I can use a Sonnet G3/500 ZIF with 1MB cache processor OR an Apple >PowerMac G4/400 ZIF with 1MB cache and over clock it to 500Mhz. > >Thoughts, suggestions and warnings appreciated! > >Later, > >Dan Currie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070501/1c3750d1/attachment.html From kastegir at mac.com Tue May 1 14:46:16 2007 From: kastegir at mac.com (Hal) Date: Tue May 1 14:46:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Decisions ... decisions? In-Reply-To: References: <20070501190503.9831DC9634A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Agreed. I picked up a gigabit ethernet G4 for under $60 earlier this spring. I've put about $100 into is to add a gig of RAM, video card and superdrive and it's a great server/backup machine for me now. I'd say start with at least a blue G3 or G4 tower. -Hal On May 1, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Sean Collins wrote: > IMHO, spending that kind of money on a processor upgrade for a > beige g3 is a waste, when for a few dollars more, you can have a > real G4: > > http://www.megamacs.com/v1/index.php?cat=10003 > > Aside from processor type & speed, the beige boxes are saddled with > obsolete interfaces & busses, which are significantly slower than a > real G4. > > Sean > >> My son wants me to turn his Beige G3/333 into a FrankenMac like >> his sisters. >> >> I can use a Sonnet G3/500 ZIF with 1MB cache processor OR an Apple >> PowerMac G4/400 ZIF with 1MB cache and over clock it to 500Mhz. >> >> Thoughts, suggestions and warnings appreciated! >> >> Later, >> Dan Currie > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From dancurr at frontiernet.net Tue May 1 16:28:19 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Tue May 1 16:28:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Consensus Decisions ... decisions? In-Reply-To: References: <20070501190503.9831DC9634A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <4637CD13.8010500@frontiernet.net> Hello and thank you all, The consensus seems to be to upgrade to a G4/500+ machine and go from there ... not being one to ignore good advice I am currently looking at several. BTW, I was finally able to get my daughters FrankenMac up and running with Panther and it is rather stable for now!! Later, Dan From jelmore at elmoredesign.com Wed May 2 05:24:51 2007 From: jelmore at elmoredesign.com (Jim Elmore) Date: Wed May 2 05:25:07 2007 Subject: [G4] Consensus Decisions ... decisions? In-Reply-To: <4637CD13.8010500@frontiernet.net> References: <20070501190503.9831DC9634A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4637CD13.8010500@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: I would really to sell sell this package if you have an interest in this much upgrade. I repeat, I'd really like to sell it. It's fast, clean, works great, two monitors, wireless, high speed usb, etc. Take a look!! http://www.elmoredesign.com/g4.html On May 1, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Dan A Currie wrote: > Hello and thank you all, > > The consensus seems to be to upgrade to a G4/500+ machine and go > from there ... not being one to ignore good advice I am currently > looking at several. > > BTW, I was finally able to get my daughters FrankenMac up and > running with Panther and it is rather stable for now!! > > Later, > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed May 2 06:30:38 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed May 2 06:34:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: I'd really like to sell it. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <195000.13709.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, I doubt a guy considering a Beige upgrade would want that much of an upgrade. Much cheaper alternatives are available. But I write because your sales pitch lists a huge list of s/w but then you don't include the licenses. Does that increase it's value? Only if you condone illegal s/w piracy. I hate to see that. John --- Jim Elmore wrote: > I would really to sell sell this package if you have > an interest in > this much upgrade. I repeat, I'd really like to sell > it. It's fast, > clean, works great, two monitors, wireless, high > speed usb, etc. Take > a look!! > > http://www.elmoredesign.com/g4.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jelmore at elmoredesign.com Wed May 2 06:58:43 2007 From: jelmore at elmoredesign.com (Jim Elmore) Date: Wed May 2 06:58:56 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: I'd really like to sell it. In-Reply-To: <195000.13709.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <195000.13709.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05324B07-9185-4E3C-B350-286051DEA420@elmoredesign.com> Well, I didn't know he was considering a beige upgrade. He said "upgrade to a G4/500+ machine". I totally agree that it's wrong to include the software. I wasn't thinking that through very clearly. Does that mean that it should be sold without the current operating systems also? I suppose I could reformat and reinstall the original operating system. Would that be the right thing to do? Thanks for your input. I've updated that page. http://www.elmoredesign.com/g4.html On May 2, 2007, at 8:30 AM, John Niven wrote: > Jim, > > I doubt a guy considering a Beige upgrade would want > that much of an upgrade. Much cheaper alternatives are > available. > > But I write because your sales pitch lists a huge list > of s/w but then you don't include the licenses. Does > that increase it's value? Only if you condone illegal > s/w piracy. > > I hate to see that. > > John > > --- Jim Elmore wrote: > >> I would really to sell sell this package if you have >> an interest in >> this much upgrade. I repeat, I'd really like to sell >> it. It's fast, >> clean, works great, two monitors, wireless, high >> speed usb, etc. Take >> a look!! >> >> http://www.elmoredesign.com/g4.html > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed May 2 08:08:28 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed May 2 08:22:52 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: I'd really like to sell it. In-Reply-To: <05324B07-9185-4E3C-B350-286051DEA420@elmoredesign.com> Message-ID: <664983.13044.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes. And you should include the install disks in the sale. That way you are passing on exactly what was originally included by Apple. Personally I always wipe and reinstall my preferred OS on any machine I get used. Who would trust an unknown install? John --- Jim Elmore wrote: > I suppose I could > reformat and reinstall the original operating > system. Would that be > the right thing to do? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From imago at bellsouth.net Wed May 2 08:30:17 2007 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Wed May 2 08:28:05 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Missing Icons In-Reply-To: <20070501190503.38E17C96349@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <07D5AE11-F8C2-11DB-8695-003065BF3E6C@bellsouth.net> Eric, Check the Finder preferences. There is a menu that has radio buttons that set preferences to show or hide what you see on the desktop. margaret From sng at cox.net Wed May 2 15:43:52 2007 From: sng at cox.net (Steve Goldstein) Date: Wed May 2 15:44:11 2007 Subject: [G4] more --" Fire-i" firewire digital camera (USD$99) almost as good as iSight Message-ID: Also, the camera has no microphone, unlike iSight. --Steve Folks, I forget which of these lists recently hosted a discussion about disappointment with Apple for abandoning iSight camera production for those who do not have new computers with iSight built-in. I now have a MacBook and an Intel Core Duo iMac with built-in iSight, but my wife has a G5 iMac, and has no video for using either iChat or Skype to visit with far-flung relatives. I just received delivery of a Unibrain "Fire-i" Firewire Digital Camera from L.A. Computer Company (http://www.lacomputercompany.com/cgi-bin/rpcart/index.cgi?command=dispitem&type=sku&sku=25036). US$99 + US$8.70 S&H. (OOPS! One more thing: the regular price is USD$119. I forgot that I got a $20 discount through the DealMac website which I visit almost daily -- the DealMac site gives the discount code "firedc" that might still work). It was a snap to install (literally: just snap in the included FW cable to the camera and to a handy FW receptacle, in my case, an open one on an external drive enclosure). That's all! It was instantly recognized (and iChat was automatically opened) by both iChat and Skype. The lens ring has a focusing capability that is not mentioned in the packaging, and the image was initially fuzzy and out of focus, but a little "nudging" counterclockwise on the ring immediately cured that. The video, at least what one sees on Skype and iChat, is just about as good as iSight, except that, unlike iSight, there is no microphone, so you need to add your own (my wife uses a USB headset with earphones and microphone, anyway). These sites do not support images, but if you look at the above web site, you can visualize that if you collapse the legs of the included miniature tripod so that they all lie in a plane, and adjust the camera's position, you can stick it on the top of the monitor with Velcro fastener tape, adhering to the black support on the tripod and to the top of the monitor. Then, there is a little lever that allows you to unlock the mount in order to tweak the aiming of the camera and then re-lock it. All-in-all, this took about five minutes. Highly recommended. --Steve From errol.sawyer at gmail.com Fri May 4 23:09:33 2007 From: errol.sawyer at gmail.com (Errol Sawyer) Date: Fri May 4 23:09:42 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD+Heidelberg Linoscan 2650 SCSI 2 Scanner Message-ID: <98b8567a0705042309q9439ca6ha8a853074cf9cd2c@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I am an American photographer residing in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Recently, I was given a Heidelberg Linoscan 2650 Scanner, Ultra SCSI 2, however, although I have thus far expended close to $250 (cost plus shipping) for first one RATOC FR1SX SCSI to USB Adapter and A-Card ultra SCSI adapter the scanner fails to appear in my System Profile nor is it recognized by VueScan nor LaserSoft Silverfast software. HELP. efsawyer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070505/a7f0a39b/attachment-0001.html From robertmacleay at mac.com Fri May 4 23:41:57 2007 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Fri May 4 23:42:07 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 MDD+Heidelberg Linoscan 2650 SCSI 2 Scanner In-Reply-To: <20070505060945.0E33ECB97E5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: A quick Google search indicates that you are not alone in your Linoscan problems. Did they give you the original software discs which run under OS 9? This is a good enough quality scanner to justify the purchase of an OS 9-capable SCSI Mac for use as a dedicated scanning station. I would try dropping your SCSI card into an old B&W or Sawtooth. These can be had for under US$100. On Sat, 5 May 2007 02:09:33 -0400, "Errol Sawyer" wrote: > Recently, I was given a Heidelberg Linoscan 2650 Scanner, Ultra SCSI 2, > however, although I have thus far expended close to $250 (cost plus shipping) > for first one RATOC FR1SX SCSI to USB Adapter and A-Card ultra SCSI adapter > the scanner fails to appear in my System Profile nor is it recognized by > VueScan nor LaserSoft Silverfast software. > > HELP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070505/32b6a2fe/attachment.html From emaxxx4 at warpmail.net Sat May 5 07:57:34 2007 From: emaxxx4 at warpmail.net (Eric Buczynski) Date: Sat May 5 07:57:48 2007 Subject: [G4] Re :FrankenMac II In-Reply-To: <20070505060945.B3C29CB97EA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070505060945.B3C29CB97EA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Ask him what he will be using it for. Keep in mind that when the machine came out (or any Mac for that matter) there were a lot of high-end applications for it. Now those are blown away by newer software packages, but it doesn't make them unusable. I gave an old Mac 7300 G3/400 upgraded to a buddy of mine and he's learning Photoshop. Not only that but it's still easy to get on to a DSL line as well and browse the 'net. I myself am getting a bit spoiled thinking of a Dual Core Intel Mac Mini, but then again, do I need it? All the stuff I have now works fine. Aside from not being able to play some of the newer games, there's still a lot that I can play including all the games from MAME, the Atari games, Intellivision Lives, Call of Duty, the Carmageddon series, Unreal Tournament 2004, the Quake series... and I'm happy. The only reason I'd want a Mac Mini is so that I can run Windows and Mac at the same time, and I really want Windows just for the games including Visual Pinball (which allows you to play the old original pinball games on your PC). Even if I were to have the old G3 back, I'd still be playing games on it and using Photoshop. I could put it in an empty arcade cabinet and make a little home arcade with it (if I had the know-how and such). Even if your son wants to program he could get started on that with the older G3. If he gets a newer model he can keep the old one around and test any programs on that as well. If he likes the design and wants to get into case modification, he can hack it and try getting a newer board into an older style case like the G3. It all depends on what he will be using it for. Eric >> >>> My son wants me to turn his Beige G3/333 into a FrankenMac like >>> his sisters. >>> >>> I can use a Sonnet G3/500 ZIF with 1MB cache processor OR an Apple >>> PowerMac G4/400 ZIF with 1MB cache and over clock it to 500Mhz. >>> >>> Thoughts, suggestions and warnings appreciated! >>> >>> Later, >>> Dan Currie From lriv2264 at aim.com Sat May 5 14:16:51 2007 From: lriv2264 at aim.com (lriv2264@aim.com) Date: Sat May 5 14:17:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Tiger upgrade Message-ID: <8C95D71D54EF288-1774-4AB6@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> I have a G4 that I'm trying to upgrade to OS X Tiger. I have two new SATA drives connected to a PCI SATA host adapter. I install Tiger to one of the drives and everything seems to install fine. When the machine restarts however, the installer starts again and I can't eject the dvd from the drive. To remove the dvd, I reconnected the old hard drive ( with os x 10.3 on it ) and removed it. I then went to the startup disk in system preferences and tried to start the machine with the new os x. But on restart, all I get is a folder that blinks with a picture of the finder in it. Please help me boot into my new os ! Thanks. ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070505/d07663ba/attachment.html From scart at sympatico.ca Sat May 5 14:20:17 2007 From: scart at sympatico.ca (s*) Date: Sat May 5 14:20:25 2007 Subject: [G4] Tiger upgrade In-Reply-To: <8C95D71D54EF288-1774-4AB6@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C95D71D54EF288-1774-4AB6@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1620e64c0705051420s635f03bbs75be3ca4d19ed437@mail.gmail.com> Well, to eject your disc, you can always hold down the mouse button on startup. That will force your mac to eject the disc. As for boot up, have you tried holding down the alt/option key to see if your mac is even recognising it as a startup disc? -s* On 5/5/07, lriv2264@aim.com wrote: > > I have a G4 that I'm trying to upgrade to OS X Tiger. I have two new SATA > drives connected to a PCI SATA host adapter. I install Tiger to one of the > drives and everything seems to install fine. When the machine restarts > however, the installer starts again and I can't eject the dvd from the > drive. To remove the dvd, I reconnected the old hard drive ( with os x > 10.3 on it ) and removed it. I then went to the startup disk in system > preferences and tried to start the machine with the new os x. But on > restart, all I get is a folder that blinks with a picture of the finder in > it. Please help me boot into my new os ! Thanks. > ------------------------------ > *Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail*-- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070505/b0c0b5e5/attachment.html From kastegir at mac.com Sat May 5 14:27:11 2007 From: kastegir at mac.com (Hal) Date: Sat May 5 14:27:15 2007 Subject: [G4] Tiger upgrade In-Reply-To: <1620e64c0705051420s635f03bbs75be3ca4d19ed437@mail.gmail.com> References: <8C95D71D54EF288-1774-4AB6@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> <1620e64c0705051420s635f03bbs75be3ca4d19ed437@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60144DA6-693F-427E-A96B-BC1266A999F3@mac.com> I had a similar problem after installing an SATA drive and OWC brand PCI-SATA card in my G4. From what I could gather on the OWC website, the G4 does not support setting the SATA drive as a boot drive, and gets confused. OWC recommends using the 'option' key at startup to then select the SATA drive for booting. I have found that if I have no other internal drives available to boot from, it will find the SATA drive after flashing the folder/question mark for a few seconds. Hope this helps. -Hal On May 5, 2007, at 3:20 PM, s* wrote: > Well, to eject your disc, you can always hold down the mouse button > on startup. That will force your mac to eject the disc. As for > boot up, have you tried holding down the alt/option key to see if > your mac is even recognising it as a startup disc? > > -s* > > On 5/5/07, lriv2264@aim.com wrote: > I have a G4 that I'm trying to upgrade to OS X Tiger. I have two > new SATA drives connected to a PCI SATA host adapter. I install > Tiger to one of the drives and everything seems to install fine. > When the machine restarts however, the installer starts again and I > can't eject the dvd from the drive. To remove the dvd, I > reconnected the old hard drive ( with os x 10.3 on it ) and removed > it. I then went to the startup disk in system preferences and tried > to start the machine with the new os x. But on restart, all I get > is a folder that blinks with a picture of the finder in it. Please > help me boot into my new os ! Thanks. > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry- > leading spam and email virus protection. > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From ronsteinke at mac.com Sat May 5 14:42:49 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sat May 5 14:46:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Tiger upgrade In-Reply-To: <8C95D71D54EF288-1774-4AB6@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C95D71D54EF288-1774-4AB6@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <23B2CB01-AF8B-4DA0-AB5D-22ADA5997FE9@mac.com> On 5 May, 2007, at 2:16 PM, lriv2264@aim.com wrote: > I have a G4 that I'm trying to upgrade to OS X Tiger. I have two > new SATA drives connected to a PCI SATA host adapter. I install > Tiger to one of the drives and everything seems to install fine. > When the machine restarts however, the installer starts again and I > can't eject the dvd from the drive. To remove the dvd, I > reconnected the old hard drive ( with os x 10.3 on it ) and removed > it. I then went to the startup disk in system preferences and tried > to start the machine with the new os x. But on restart, all I get > is a folder that blinks with a picture of the finder in it. Please > help me boot into my new os ! Thanks. I think that the main problem you are having is that the PCI SATA card is not being recognized early enough during the bootup process for the card controller software to be activated. This causes your Mac to try to boot to the first available AND active system folder that it can find and that is the installer disk. To avoid having the installer disk as the bootup device, you should hold down the mouse button to eject the disk during bootup. When it is not available any longer, the Mac will be forced to look elsewhere for an active system folder. You may find that the Mac won't recognize the installed system folder on the SATA drive for quite a while, so you should be patient and wait for more developments as it boots. I cannot tell you that the SATA drive will be recognized or not because I have no experience with your type of configuration (SATA card installed in older Mac). To overcome this case of "not yet active status" for the card, you will have to get directions from someone who has more knowledge than I have. I hope that this advice will give you some help in understanding one part of the problem of adding cards and drives to machines that were not designed with those additions in mind. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070505/4877df44/attachment-0001.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Sat May 5 17:42:54 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Sat May 5 17:43:02 2007 Subject: [G4] Tiger upgrade In-Reply-To: <8C95D71D54EF288-1774-4AB6@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <609281.85994.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have a Sonnet Tempo Serial ATA which I have used for a while. Firstly in a G3 B&W:booted os 9 or 10.3, then 10.4 no problem. Also at some point it had two drives on it. Until recently, it was in a G4 AGP with a 180Gb drive and 10.4. Just yesterday I found another identical drive and thought I'd try a RAID1 mirror. First I tried just two separate drives, which seemed fine. So I created a 180Gb mirrored volume and cloned my OS onto it. This will boot fine. However, I seem to be having erratic behaviour when it comes out of deep sleep. Seems to hang sometimes, work others. It sleeps fine with a standard OS volume on the card, but struggles with the mirror. Any suggestions would be welcome. But in answer to the OP, it probably depends on the pci card you have, but it should be possible. --- lriv2264@aim.com wrote: > I have a G4 that I'm trying to upgrade to OS X > Tiger. I have two new SATA drives connected to a PCI > SATA host adapter. I install Tiger to one of the > drives and everything seems to install fine. When > the machine restarts however, the installer starts > again and I can't eject the dvd from the drive. To > remove the dvd, I reconnected the old hard drive ( > with os x 10.3 on it ) and removed it. I then went > to the startup disk in system preferences and tried > to start the machine with the new os x. But on > restart, all I get is a folder that blinks with a > picture of the finder in it. Please help me boot > into my new os ! Thanks. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of > storage and industry-leading spam and email virus > protection. > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From yrorde at mac.com Sun May 6 00:04:26 2007 From: yrorde at mac.com (paul hrbacek) Date: Sun May 6 00:05:59 2007 Subject: [G4] out of sync t v shows Message-ID: <3070A2AA-A521-4217-92DC-38C911173772@mac.com> Have any of you had the experience of a tv show audio suddenly stutter and then the sync of the picture and sound are gone. do you think that the size of the itunes library has anything to do with this phenomena has anything to do with it? I have a G4 upgraded to 1 gig and 2 gigs of memory, the hard drive is external and is 300 GB,OX 10.4.9 thanks for listenening paul From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun May 6 00:39:06 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun May 6 00:39:15 2007 Subject: [G4] out of sync t v shows In-Reply-To: <3070A2AA-A521-4217-92DC-38C911173772@mac.com> References: <3070A2AA-A521-4217-92DC-38C911173772@mac.com> Message-ID: <463D861A.3020603@dslextreme.com> paul hrbacek wrote: > Have any of you had the experience of a tv show audio suddenly stutter > and then the sync of the picture and sound are gone. > > do you think that the size of the itunes library has anything to do with > this phenomena has anything to do with it? > > I have a G4 upgraded to 1 gig and 2 gigs of memory, the hard drive is > external and is 300 GB,OX 10.4.9 > > thanks for listenening > > paul All I can tell you is, I have no iTunes at all, and I experience it frequently. But then that's on my regular digital/HD TV, and I think you're talking about your computer monitor... So I have to ask, what's the source of your TV signal? Because I'm experiencing this on over-the-air TV, no connection to my CPU at all, I'd have to say it's the station that's doing it! keith whaley From jester_123 at yahoo.com Sun May 6 06:04:15 2007 From: jester_123 at yahoo.com (Eric Hall) Date: Sun May 6 06:04:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Single or dual? Message-ID: <360798.2540.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I'm going to upgrade the processor in my Sawtooth 450. Is a dual processor worth the extra cost? A new Mac is not in the budget for a while. Besides, I really like my G4. It's really everything I need. But it would be really nice if it was faster! Thank you, Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's really everything I need. > But it would be really nice if it was faster! > > Thank you, Eric > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rich at richardklein.org Sun May 6 08:16:08 2007 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Sun May 6 08:16:29 2007 Subject: [G4] Hardware review site? Message-ID: <463DF138.5060205@richardklein.org> I've been wanting a USB2.0 PCI card for my Quicksilver 2002 for a long time, but haven't been able to decide what to get. I'm looking at the choices at OWC right now and still can't decide. The IOGear card is cheap, but I trust the Sonnet brand more. Where's a good place to find reviews of these and other Mac hardware (an external firewire enclosure is on my wishlist, too)? -- Rich From jomph at xs4all.nl Sun May 6 08:42:20 2007 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Sun May 6 08:42:45 2007 Subject: [G4] Hardware review site? In-Reply-To: <463DF138.5060205@richardklein.org> Message-ID: On 06-05-2007 17:16, Richard Klein, rich@richardklein.org, wrote: > I've been wanting a USB2.0 PCI card for my Quicksilver 2002 for a long > time, but haven't been able to decide what to get. I'm looking at the > choices at OWC right now and still can't decide. The IOGear card is > cheap, but I trust the Sonnet brand more. Where's a good place to find > reviews of these and other Mac hardware (an external firewire enclosure > is on my wishlist, too)? A few months ago I bought a 3-port USB2/PCI card for my IBM NetVista P3/667. It has no known brand and a price of Euro 9 (= US$ 12). It came with a "For-Win-Only"-CD. Being curious, I put the card in my QS/800/2002, 10.4.9 and all works flawlessly. Just install the card, start up and run. Nothing needed. Card is still in the QS. I bought another one for the NetVista. Jo Hissel From fsudore at mac.com Sun May 6 08:43:46 2007 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Sun May 6 08:44:00 2007 Subject: [G4] Single or dual? In-Reply-To: <360798.2540.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <360798.2540.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Go Dual At this point it's worth it!. Isn't it great you can still run the latest OS on a machine almost 5 years old? TRY THAT WITH WINBLOWS! (Although I think leopard will be the threshold) Good Luck On May 6, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Eric Hall wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm going to upgrade the processor in my Sawtooth 450. Is a dual > processor worth the extra cost? A new Mac is not in the budget for > a while. Besides, I really like my G4. It's really everything I > need. But it would be really nice if it was faster! > > Thank you, Eric > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070506/19a2b32f/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Sun May 6 10:29:15 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Sun May 6 10:29:27 2007 Subject: [G4] Hardware review site? In-Reply-To: <463DF138.5060205@richardklein.org> Message-ID: <648544.85923.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Richard, I just bought one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817716028 Galaxy METAL GEAR 3500MGB-RAID/BLK Aluminum 2 x 3.5" USB 2.0 & 1394 External Enclosure It takes up to two SATA drives and will either make them separately available or will RAID0 stripe them together. The thing I liked about this box is it has a fan and good airflow over the drives. Also if you remove the volume from the desktop, the drives are spun down. I am using it with a G4 AGP via a Adaptec FireConnect 8300A PCI-X card which gives 2 FW800 and a FW400. This is a great card for G4's because it is 64bit and therefore at 33MHz offers the same throughput as a more modern 32bit 66MHz bus! I don't know what you need USB 2.0 for. John --- Richard Klein wrote: > I've been wanting a USB2.0 PCI card for my > Quicksilver 2002 for a long > time, but haven't been able to decide what to get. > I'm looking at the > choices at OWC right now and still can't decide. > The IOGear card is > cheap, but I trust the Sonnet brand more. Where's a > good place to find > reviews of these and other Mac hardware (an external > firewire enclosure > is on my wishlist, too)? > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kastegir at mac.com Sun May 6 11:08:18 2007 From: kastegir at mac.com (Hal) Date: Sun May 6 11:08:35 2007 Subject: [G4] Single or dual? In-Reply-To: References: <360798.2540.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 5 years? Try almost 8! The Sawtooth came out in August 1999! My Dual 500 Tower (vintage 2000) is still running strong! :-) I may break down and upgrade the CPU, but only because the prices have really fallen for the 1.0-1.4gHz upgrades. It's really amazing what you can still do with these machines... On May 6, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Frank Sudore wrote: > Go Dual At this point it's worth it!. > Isn't it great you can still run the latest OS on a machine almost > 5 years old? > TRY THAT WITH WINBLOWS! > (Although I think leopard will be the threshold) > Good Luck > On May 6, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Eric Hall wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm going to upgrade the processor in my Sawtooth 450. Is a dual >> processor worth the extra cost? A new Mac is not in the budget for >> a while. Besides, I really like my G4. It's really everything I >> need. But it would be really nice if it was faster! >> >> Thank you, Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > Best Regards, > > Frank Sudore > fsudore@mac.com > 954-253-1933 > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From michael at wbsnet.org Sun May 6 11:25:40 2007 From: michael at wbsnet.org (R Michael Vogt) Date: Sun May 6 11:25:49 2007 Subject: [G4] Single or dual? In-Reply-To: References: <360798.2540.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14A7B15A-540F-4111-A59A-AA9035086A79@wbsnet.org> I Have sawtooth and did a upgrade on the CPU about 4 years ago to the 1.0 GHz and help allot with Video stuff and with Imovie Toast it is worth the money tell you out grow it As we did then my Kids use the Sawtooth and I use a G5 dual and it cut the encoding down to 20 mins and my sawtooth took around 6 to 8 hours. Also Make sure you can use Dual before you buy it I could not on my Sawtooth Michael Vogt On May 6, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Hal wrote: > 5 years? Try almost 8! The Sawtooth came out in August 1999! > My Dual 500 Tower (vintage 2000) is still running strong! :-) > I may break down and upgrade the CPU, but only because the prices > have really fallen for the 1.0-1.4gHz upgrades. > It's really amazing what you can still do with these machines... > > On May 6, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Frank Sudore wrote: > >> Go Dual At this point it's worth it!. >> Isn't it great you can still run the latest OS on a machine almost >> 5 years old? >> TRY THAT WITH WINBLOWS! >> (Although I think leopard will be the threshold) >> Good Luck >> On May 6, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Eric Hall wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'm going to upgrade the processor in my Sawtooth 450. Is a dual >>> processor worth the extra cost? A new Mac is not in the budget >>> for a while. Besides, I really like my G4. It's really everything >>> I need. But it would be really nice if it was faster! >>> >>> Thank you, Eric >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and >>> random stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Frank Sudore >> fsudore@mac.com >> 954-253-1933 >> >> >> From rsmykla at verizon.net Sun May 6 13:24:19 2007 From: rsmykla at verizon.net (Rick Smykla) Date: Sun May 6 13:25:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Hardware review site? In-Reply-To: <463DF138.5060205@richardklein.org> References: <463DF138.5060205@richardklein.org> Message-ID: Rich, The Accelerate Your Mac website has an excellent database of hardware options for Macs, with user reviews and comments. Check here for the drive compatibility part of the site: Highly recommended. Rick On May 6, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Richard Klein wrote: > I've been wanting a USB2.0 PCI card for my Quicksilver 2002 for a > long time, but haven't been able to decide what to get. I'm > looking at the choices at OWC right now and still can't decide. > The IOGear card is cheap, but I trust the Sonnet brand more. > Where's a good place to find reviews of these and other Mac > hardware (an external firewire enclosure is on my wishlist, too)? > > -- > Rich > From rich at richardklein.org Sun May 6 16:30:07 2007 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Sun May 6 16:30:47 2007 Subject: [G4] Hardware review site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463E64FF.6050001@richardklein.org> J.M.P.Hissel wrote: > > A few months ago I bought a 3-port USB2/PCI card for my IBM NetVista P3/667. > It has no known brand and a price of Euro 9 (= US$ 12). It came with a > "For-Win-Only"-CD. Being curious, I put the card in my QS/800/2002, 10.4.9 > and all works flawlessly. Just install the card, start up and run. Nothing > needed. Card is still in the QS. I bought another one for the NetVista. It sounds like I should just get the cheapest card that says it supports OSX. John Niven wrote: > Richard, > > I just bought one of these: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817716028 > > Galaxy METAL GEAR 3500MGB-RAID/BLK Aluminum 2 x 3.5" > USB 2.0 & 1394 External Enclosure > > It takes up to two SATA drives and will either make > them separately available or will RAID0 stripe them > together. > > The thing I liked about this box is it has a fan and > good airflow over the drives. Also if you remove the > volume from the desktop, the drives are spun down. > > I am using it with a G4 AGP via a Adaptec FireConnect > 8300A PCI-X card which gives 2 FW800 and a FW400. This > is a great card for G4's because it is 64bit and > therefore at 33MHz offers the same throughput as a > more modern 32bit 66MHz bus! That sounds good! > I don't know what you need USB 2.0 for. USB 2.0 for a memory card reader and my iPaq. Rick Smykla wrote: > Rich, > > The Accelerate Your Mac website has an excellent database of hardware > options for Macs, with user reviews and comments. Check here for the > drive compatibility part of the site: > > > Highly recommended. Good call, Rick! I'll take a look there. -- Thanks everyone! Rich From philip.robar at gmail.com Sun May 6 17:21:27 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Sun May 6 17:21:36 2007 Subject: [G4] Single or dual? In-Reply-To: <360798.2540.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <360798.2540.qm@web37304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A37D466-99E1-4E6B-B9CF-0507E214206D@gmail.com> On May 6, 2007, at 6:04 AM, Eric Hall wrote: > I'm going to upgrade the processor in my Sawtooth 450. Is a dual > processor worth the extra cost? A new Mac is not in the budget for a > while. Besides, I really like my G4. It's really everything I need. > But it would be really nice if it was faster! Not unless you specifically know that the applications you use the most will take advantage of the additional CPU, or you're in the habit of running multiple processor intensive applications at the same time. Phil From philip.robar at gmail.com Sun May 6 17:32:13 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Sun May 6 17:32:21 2007 Subject: [G4] Hardware review site? In-Reply-To: <463E64FF.6050001@richardklein.org> References: <463E64FF.6050001@richardklein.org> Message-ID: <867CA909-1BA1-48E2-94A5-6DC9A4A0BD68@gmail.com> On May 6, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Richard Klein wrote: > It sounds like I should just get the cheapest card that says it > supports OSX. Just be aware that Apple's support of USB 2.0 is quite poor performance wise. You'll get nowhere the performance of USB under Linux or Windows. Phil -- "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe, 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution From britchey11 at yahoo.com Sun May 6 18:35:04 2007 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Sun May 6 18:35:14 2007 Subject: [G4] ata 150 on os9? In-Reply-To: <45E2DC14.30204@tonarchiv.ch> Message-ID: <727385.34422.qm@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> does anyone know if i can use the ata 150 10,000 rpm hard drives with os 9.1? thanks bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From philip.robar at gmail.com Sun May 6 19:23:12 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Sun May 6 19:23:26 2007 Subject: [G4] ata 150 on os9? In-Reply-To: <727385.34422.qm@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <727385.34422.qm@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On May 6, 2007, at 6:35 PM, bill ritchey wrote: > Does anyone know if I can use the ATA 150 10,000 RPM > hard drives with OS 9.1? I think you mean SATA as WD Raptors have only been made with SATA interfaces. A quick Google search leads me to believe that there are SATA cards that work with OS 9. Make your purchase from a knowledgeable dealer like Small Dog (smalldog.com) or OWC (www.macsales.com). Another option would be an SATA to PATA converter. Phil From britchey11 at yahoo.com Sun May 6 19:33:56 2007 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Sun May 6 19:34:00 2007 Subject: [G4] ata 150 on os9? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <81238.81784.qm@web37411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thanks- i think it was a typo at newegg- or maybe in my head... --- Philip J Robar wrote: > > On May 6, 2007, at 6:35 PM, bill ritchey wrote: > > > Does anyone know if I can use the ATA 150 10,000 > RPM > > hard drives with OS 9.1? > > I think you mean SATA as WD Raptors have only been > made with SATA > interfaces. > > A quick Google search leads me to believe that there > are SATA cards > that work with OS 9. Make your purchase from a > knowledgeable dealer > like Small Dog (smalldog.com) or OWC > (www.macsales.com). > > Another option would be an SATA to PATA converter. > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From win.werner at sympatico.ca Sun May 6 19:49:23 2007 From: win.werner at sympatico.ca (Win werner) Date: Sun May 6 19:49:31 2007 Subject: [G4] (no subject) Message-ID: I have a G4 450 MHZ Power pc 1 GB SD RAM I have SKYPE teleph ony installed - works very well would like to ADD camera to my system for visual communication in addition to audio any suggestions how to do it and what equipment to use - I am running TIGER 10.4.9 thank you win.werner@sympatico.ca From ppeek at nc.rr.com Mon May 7 14:19:20 2007 From: ppeek at nc.rr.com (Preston Peek) Date: Mon May 7 14:19:36 2007 Subject: [G4] Video Card Upgrade Question Message-ID: Hello All -- By way of introduction, let me state that I've used Macs for 22 years, and know enough techie stuff to just get by -- or get myself into trouble. I have a Quicksilver Power Mac G4, 933 MHz, 512 RAM, with a GeForce4 MX chipset, 64 MB VRAM. (If this isn't enough info for your response, please let me know...) I've just purchased a Samsung 22" widescreen monitor, but can only attach it to my analog VGA port (no DVI on my G4). The picture, even on a Hi Def DVD, is not so hot. I know someone who runs this monitor from a PC for gaming, and he's blown away by it. Not so me. My question is: If I upgrade my video card (I'm looking at a Mac ATI Radeon 9200 128MB AGP DVI Video Card) will this improve my resolution? Will increasing the RAM (which I badly need) help? And on a related issue: Is anyone familiar with the $299 "SuperCharged 1.5 GHz PowerMac G4 CPU Upgrade G-Celerator, 1.53 GHz with the supercharged 2MB Cache... The "Plug & Play" 1.5 GHz that will more than triple the speed of your Power Macintosh G4 system!?" Worth it. I could sure use some speed Many thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Preston From kastegir at mac.com Mon May 7 14:47:48 2007 From: kastegir at mac.com (Hal) Date: Mon May 7 14:48:06 2007 Subject: [G4] Video Card Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. I have a Samsung 19" Widescreen display, and I can tell you that after running it off both DVI and VGA interfaces (the display supports both), things are MUCH crisper using DVI. If your card has an ADC port, you might try picking up an ADC-DVI adapter (should be under $20) and see how it looks with a digital signal. I'm willing to bet it'll look a lot better. Obviously, more RAM and a faster CPU will always help, but if you're not dropping frames on playback, then that's not your bottleneck. Hope that helps. -Hal On May 7, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Preston Peek wrote: > Hello All -- By way of introduction, let me state that I've used > Macs for 22 > years, and know enough techie stuff to just get by -- or get myself > into > trouble. > > I have a Quicksilver Power Mac G4, 933 MHz, 512 RAM, with a > GeForce4 MX > chipset, 64 MB VRAM. (If this isn't enough info for your response, > please > let me know...) > > I've just purchased a Samsung 22" widescreen monitor, but can only > attach it > to my analog VGA port (no DVI on my G4). The picture, even on a Hi > Def DVD, > is not so hot. I know someone who runs this monitor from a PC for > gaming, > and he's blown away by it. Not so me. > > My question is: If I upgrade my video card (I'm looking at a Mac > ATI Radeon > 9200 128MB AGP DVI Video Card) will this improve my resolution? Will > increasing the RAM (which I badly need) help? > > And on a related issue: Is anyone familiar with the $299 > "SuperCharged 1.5 > GHz PowerMac G4 CPU Upgrade G-Celerator, 1.53 GHz with the > supercharged 2MB > Cache... The "Plug & Play" 1.5 GHz that will more than triple the > speed of > your Power Macintosh G4 system!?" Worth it. I could sure use some > speed > > Many thanks in advance for any help you can offer. > > Preston > From philip.robar at gmail.com Mon May 7 14:50:51 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Mon May 7 14:51:03 2007 Subject: [G4] Video Card Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 7, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Preston Peek wrote: > I've just purchased a Samsung 22" widescreen monitor, but can only > attach it > to my analog VGA port (no DVI on my G4). The picture, even on a Hi > Def DVD, > is not so hot. I know someone who runs this monitor from a PC for > gaming, > and he's blown away by it. Not so me. > > My question is: If I upgrade my video card (I'm looking at a Mac ATI > Radeon > 9200 128MB AGP DVI Video Card) will this improve my resolution? Will > increasing the RAM (which I badly need) help? The video card and its analog connection is probably not the problem. LCD monitors have a native resolution and refresh rate. If the former is not set correctly the display will look bad, if the latter is not set correctly, but the former is things will be a little fuzzy. Check the manual for the correct settings. To forestall other responses, 64 MBs is more than enough to support this monitor at full resolution and color. A DVI equipped card will probably give you a better looking display, but the difference will not be huge. > And on a related issue: Is anyone familiar with the $299 > "SuperCharged 1.5 > GHz PowerMac G4 CPU Upgrade G-Celerator, 1.53 GHz with the > supercharged 2MB > Cache... The "Plug & Play" 1.5 GHz that will more than triple the > speed of > your Power Macintosh G4 system!?" Worth it. I could sure use some > speed Seems rather pricy. Check someplace like OWC, www.macsales.com, for alternatives. xlr8yourmac.com is a good place to look for user reviews of Mac hardware. Phil -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From rich at richardklein.org Mon May 7 16:21:43 2007 From: rich at richardklein.org (Richard Klein) Date: Mon May 7 16:22:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Video Card Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463FB487.4010609@richardklein.org> Philip J Robar wrote: > > On May 7, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Preston Peek wrote: > >> I've just purchased a Samsung 22" widescreen monitor, but can only >> attach it >> to my analog VGA port (no DVI on my G4). The picture, even on a Hi Def >> DVD, >> is not so hot. I know someone who runs this monitor from a PC for gaming, >> and he's blown away by it. Not so me. >> >> My question is: If I upgrade my video card (I'm looking at a Mac ATI >> Radeon >> 9200 128MB AGP DVI Video Card) will this improve my resolution? Will >> increasing the RAM (which I badly need) help? > > The video card and its analog connection is probably not the problem. > LCD monitors have a native resolution and refresh rate. If the former is > not set correctly the display will look bad, if the latter is not set > correctly, but the former is things will be a little fuzzy. Check the > manual for the correct settings. That's an excellent point. What model is your monitor? The 226BW has a native resolution of 1680x1050; it won't look as good if you set your desktop to any other resolution: http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/LS22MEWSFVXAA.asp?page=Specifications Also, wiggle your video cable. A DVI connection will give you a slightly crisper picture, but you should be able to get a pretty darned good picture even with an analog connection. Still, a cable that doesn't make a good connection can really screw up the picture. Can you give us a better description of what, exactly, is wrong with the picture, though? Is it blurry or distorted or snowy (that one's pretty unlikely), or is video jerky? >> And on a related issue: Is anyone familiar with the $299 "SuperCharged >> 1.5 >> GHz PowerMac G4 CPU Upgrade G-Celerator, 1.53 GHz with the >> supercharged 2MB >> Cache... The "Plug & Play" 1.5 GHz that will more than triple the >> speed of >> your Power Macintosh G4 system!?" Worth it. I could sure use some speed Never heard of that particular one. -- Rich From philip.robar at gmail.com Mon May 7 17:23:12 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Mon May 7 17:23:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Video Card Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: <463FB487.4010609@richardklein.org> References: <463FB487.4010609@richardklein.org> Message-ID: On May 7, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Richard Klein wrote: > On May 7, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Preston Peek wrote: > >> And on a related issue: Is anyone familiar with the $299 >> "SuperCharged 1.5 >> GHz PowerMac G4 CPU Upgrade G-Celerator, 1.53 GHz with the >> supercharged 2MB >> Cache... The "Plug & Play" 1.5 GHz that will more than triple the >> speed of >> your Power Macintosh G4 system!?" Worth it. I could sure use some >> speed > > Never heard of that particular one. It's made by Daystar. A Google search on the description will find it. Phil From ppeek at nc.rr.com Mon May 7 18:43:24 2007 From: ppeek at nc.rr.com (Preston Peek) Date: Mon May 7 18:43:33 2007 Subject: [G4] Video Card Upgrade Question Message-ID: >> The video card and its analog connection is probably not the problem. >> LCD monitors have a native resolution and refresh rate. If the former is >> not set correctly the display will look bad, if the latter is not set >> correctly, but the former is things will be a little fuzzy. Check the >> manual for the correct settings. >That's an excellent point. What model is your monitor? The 226BW has a >native resolution of 1680x1050; it won't look as good if you set your >desktop to any other resolution: >http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/LS22MEWSFVXAA.asp?page=Spec >ifications It just so happens that I have the 226BW. It's set to the proper resolution (1680 x 1050) and refresh rates (the refresh is set automatically by the Mac at 59.9). Incidentally, these values appear in the Preset Timing Mode chart (thanks for the URL), but for a VESA (not Mac) display mode, which may not have anything to do with anything, but thought I'd mention it. >Also, wiggle your video cable. A DVI connection will give you a >Slightly crisper picture, but you should be able to get a pretty darned >good picture even with an analog connection. Still, a cable that >doesn't make a good connection can really screw up the picture. Checked the cable and all is well there. >Can you give us a better description of what, exactly, is wrong with the >picture, though? Is it blurry or distorted or snowy (that one's pretty >unlikely), or is video jerky? No distortion, but definitely not as crisp as I believe it should be--lines are not always clean, often jagged--some places (solid surfaces) seem to be moving in and out of focus, like when a video camera is trying to film a window that's giving it competing objects to focus on. In large swaths of color (sky, etc.) you can actually see soft, but definite pixilation. Two more bits of info: I cannot get text to appear cleanly; some jagged lines and very blurred, and even black text (like what I'm typing here) has a tint to it (red, green, blue). I've seen this kind of thing before when the resolution if off, but that's not the case here. Also, I've had an Acer AL2017 for the last couple of months, and had the same kinds of problems, so got rid of it. Could there be something in the G4 itself that just doesn't like LCD screens? Preston From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon May 7 19:15:25 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon May 7 19:13:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Hardware review site? In-Reply-To: <867CA909-1BA1-48E2-94A5-6DC9A4A0BD68@gmail.com> References: <463E64FF.6050001@richardklein.org> <867CA909-1BA1-48E2-94A5-6DC9A4A0BD68@gmail.com> Message-ID: <513C5224-ED2B-4E93-958A-EEA74BC31799@mac.com> On May 6, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Philip J Robar wrote: > Just be aware that Apple's support of USB 2.0 is quite poor > performance wise. You'll get nowhere the performance of USB under > Linux or Windows. What do you base this on? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070507/d306312e/attachment.html From nagable at comcast.net Mon May 7 19:43:47 2007 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Mon May 7 19:43:57 2007 Subject: [G4] Video Card Upgrade Question Message-ID: <050820070243.22352.463FE3E3000290D10000575022165258560A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> If you're gonna spend that much money for a processor upgrade and a video card, get a Mac Mini. You already have the monitor. Nate -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Preston Peek > Hello All -- By way of introduction, let me state that I've used Macs for 22 > years, and know enough techie stuff to just get by -- or get myself into > trouble. > > I have a Quicksilver Power Mac G4, 933 MHz, 512 RAM, with a GeForce4 MX > chipset, 64 MB VRAM. (If this isn't enough info for your response, please > let me know...) > > I've just purchased a Samsung 22" widescreen monitor, but can only attach it > to my analog VGA port (no DVI on my G4). The picture, even on a Hi Def DVD, > is not so hot. I know someone who runs this monitor from a PC for gaming, > and he's blown away by it. Not so me. > > My question is: If I upgrade my video card (I'm looking at a Mac ATI Radeon > 9200 128MB AGP DVI Video Card) will this improve my resolution? Will > increasing the RAM (which I badly need) help? > > And on a related issue: Is anyone familiar with the $299 "SuperCharged 1.5 > GHz PowerMac G4 CPU Upgrade G-Celerator, 1.53 GHz with the supercharged 2MB > Cache... The "Plug & Play" 1.5 GHz that will more than triple the speed of > your Power Macintosh G4 system!?" Worth it. I could sure use some speed > > Many thanks in advance for any help you can offer. > > Preston > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From philip.robar at gmail.com Mon May 7 21:56:15 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Mon May 7 21:56:17 2007 Subject: [G4] Hardware review site? In-Reply-To: <513C5224-ED2B-4E93-958A-EEA74BC31799@mac.com> References: <463E64FF.6050001@richardklein.org> <867CA909-1BA1-48E2-94A5-6DC9A4A0BD68@gmail.com> <513C5224-ED2B-4E93-958A-EEA74BC31799@mac.com> Message-ID: <5BAC07EF-2CD9-4DC4-A9A8-46660D0F5620@gmail.com> On May 7, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > On May 6, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Philip J Robar wrote: > >> Just be aware that Apple's support of USB 2.0 is quite poor >> performance wise. You'll get nowhere the performance of USB under >> Linux or Windows. > > What do you base this on? My own experience and every article that's been written on the subject. See for instance every HD performance article at barefeats.com that includes USB hosted drives. Phil From philip.robar at gmail.com Mon May 7 22:12:02 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Mon May 7 22:12:07 2007 Subject: [G4] Video Card Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 7, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Preston Peek wrote: > It just so happens that I have the 226BW. It's set to the proper > resolution > (1680 x 1050) and refresh rates (the refresh is set automatically by > the Mac > at 59.9). Incidentally, these values appear in the Preset Timing > Mode chart > (thanks for the URL), but for a VESA (not Mac) display mode, which > may not > have anything to do with anything, but thought I'd mention it. Have you gone through the set up process built into the monitor? In particular most monitor's have an Auto button that gets things close to optimal. > No distortion, but definitely not as crisp as I believe it should > be--lines > are not always clean, often jagged--some places (solid surfaces) > seem to be > moving in and out of focus, like when a video camera is trying to > film a > window that's giving it competing objects to focus on. In large > swaths of > color (sky, etc.) you can actually see soft, but definite pixilation. > > Two more bits of info: I cannot get text to appear cleanly; some > jagged > lines and very blurred, and even black text (like what I'm typing > here) has > a tint to it (red, green, blue). I've seen this kind of thing before > when > the resolution if off, but that's not the case here. > > Also, I've had an Acer AL2017 for the last couple of months, and had > the > same kinds of problems, so got rid of it. Could there be something > in the G4 > itself that just doesn't like LCD screens? Have you tried a different cable? Phil From yrorde at mac.com Mon May 7 22:12:23 2007 From: yrorde at mac.com (paul hrbacek) Date: Mon May 7 22:12:26 2007 Subject: [G4] out of sync video and sound Message-ID: <06BAEFC7-C261-46B1-8DBF-51DEB4799D1E@mac.com> you assumption is correct the source of the signal is my external hard drive. It5 takes about 10 minutes to happen and then I hasve to shut down iTunes because it has crashed From galilao at lava.net Tue May 8 01:38:07 2007 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Tue May 8 01:36:34 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading a MDD from a single to dual processor Message-ID: Hello, Is upgrading a single processor 1.25 Ghz MDD to a dual processor unit, only a matter of changing the processor, I can use the same motherboard? Thank you, Bruce Ryan Nakamura From socentralkat at comcast.net Tue May 8 04:22:59 2007 From: socentralkat at comcast.net (socentralkat) Date: Tue May 8 04:23:15 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading G4 Dualie for HD Video Editing In-Reply-To: <20070508045617.A9AEFCDC618@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070508045617.A9AEFCDC618@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Maybe my subject should have been can a PowerMac G4 Dual 1.42 Ghz, 1.5RAM, 200Gg HD edit HD video from my new HDV Camcorder? I know it only came with a 64BM video card, and I've been told it requires at least 256MB VRAM, but can someone add to this knowledge or confirm whether it's up to the job - what can I do without buying a new Mac? Wayne From dancurr at frontiernet.net Tue May 8 04:36:05 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Tue May 8 04:36:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading a MDD from a single to dual processor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <464060A5.6090904@frontiernet.net> Bruce Ryan Nakamura wrote: >Hello, > >Is upgrading a single processor 1.25 Ghz MDD to a dual processor unit, only >a matter of changing the processor, I can use the same motherboard? > >Thank you, > >Bruce Ryan Nakamura > > > Take your time ... do not get in a rush ... might be a good time to add RAM, another HD or 2 and whatever else. Have some processor paste handy ... mine was a bit noisy until I added paste and that was now 2 years ago and it has been running fine. Dan Currie Dualie MDD 1.25, 2 GB RAM, 120 & 200 GB HD, Combo & Super drives on 10.4.9. From ppeek at nc.rr.com Tue May 8 08:42:01 2007 From: ppeek at nc.rr.com (Preston Peek) Date: Tue May 8 08:42:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Video Card Upgrade Question Message-ID: > It just so happens that I have the 226BW. It's set to the proper > resolution > (1680 x 1050) and refresh rates (the refresh is set automatically by > the Mac > at 59.9). Incidentally, these values appear in the Preset Timing > Mode chart > (thanks for the URL), but for a VESA (not Mac) display mode, which > may not > have anything to do with anything, but thought I'd mention it. >>Have you gone through the set up process built into the monitor? In >>particular most monitor's have an Auto button that gets things close >>to optimal. > No distortion, but definitely not as crisp as I believe it should > be--lines > are not always clean, often jagged--some places (solid surfaces) > seem to be > moving in and out of focus, like when a video camera is trying to > film a > window that's giving it competing objects to focus on. In large > swaths of > color (sky, etc.) you can actually see soft, but definite pixilation. > > Two more bits of info: I cannot get text to appear cleanly; some > jagged > lines and very blurred, and even black text (like what I'm typing > here) has > a tint to it (red, green, blue). I've seen this kind of thing before > when > the resolution if off, but that's not the case here. > > Also, I've had an Acer AL2017 for the last couple of months, and had > the > same kinds of problems, so got rid of it. Could there be something > in the G4 > itself that just doesn't like LCD screens? >>Have you tried a different cable? I've gone through the set up process, used the Auto button, and I'm using the cable that came with the monitor, which I guess I could swap out, but I'm not too hopeful about that. I was hoping the strange text might have provided a clue. I'm very grateful to all for the feedback, however. I'll welcome new ideas, and if and when I get this figured out, I'll post it to the group. Preston From dancurr at frontiernet.net Tue May 8 10:06:24 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Tue May 8 10:06:29 2007 Subject: [G4] FrankenMac Strikes again!! Message-ID: <4640AE10.7050701@frontiernet.net> Hello All, My daughters Beige G3/500, 768 MB RAM, OS 10.2.8 is making her and my life crazy again. I bought her a first generation iShuffle and loaded the software, updated iTunes and followed the instruction. She loaded about forty songs into iTunes from different CD?s and uploaded to the iShuffle with no problem. A couple of days ago she uploaded about 15 more songs to the iTunes library and then hooked up the iShuffle, it did not readily show up on the desktop and when it did the last letter in it?s name was some unknown letter / character that looked like a trapezoid. I clicked Autofill and it said updating complete but none of the new songs were added. I added 5 songs to the library myself with the same result. Reasonable suggestions welcome, Dan Currie From galilao at lava.net Tue May 8 10:52:21 2007 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Tue May 8 10:50:45 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading a MDD from a single to dual processor In-Reply-To: <464060A5.6090904@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Dan, Thanks for the info. Bruce Ryan Nakamura > From: Dan A Currie > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 06:36:05 -0500 > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading a MDD from a single to dual processor > > Bruce Ryan Nakamura wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Is upgrading a single processor 1.25 Ghz MDD to a dual processor unit, only >> a matter of changing the processor, I can use the same motherboard? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Bruce Ryan Nakamura >> >> >> > Take your time ... do not get in a rush ... might be a good time to add > RAM, another HD or 2 and whatever else. Have some processor paste handy > ... mine was a bit noisy until I added paste and that was now 2 years > ago and it has been running fine. > > Dan Currie Dualie MDD 1.25, 2 GB RAM, 120 & 200 GB HD, Combo & Super > drives on 10.4.9. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From philip.robar at gmail.com Tue May 8 10:57:25 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Tue May 8 10:57:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading G4 Dualie for HD Video Editing In-Reply-To: References: <20070508045617.A9AEFCDC618@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On May 8, 2007, at 4:22 AM, socentralkat wrote: > Maybe my subject should have been can a PowerMac G4 Dual 1.42 Ghz, > 1.5RAM, > 200Gg HD edit HD video from my new HDV Camcorder? > > I know it only came with a 64BM video card, and I've been told it > requires > at least 256MB VRAM, but can someone add to this knowledge or confirm > whether it's up to the job - what can I do without buying a new Mac? The MacDV list is probably a better place to ask this question: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macdv Phil From philip.robar at gmail.com Tue May 8 11:10:28 2007 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Tue May 8 11:10:47 2007 Subject: [G4] FrankenMac Strikes again!! In-Reply-To: <4640AE10.7050701@frontiernet.net> References: <4640AE10.7050701@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <460C8B44-28EA-4877-B267-25BEE88E35EF@gmail.com> On May 8, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Dan A Currie wrote: > My daughters Beige G3/500, 768 MB RAM, OS 10.2.8 is making her and > my life crazy again. > > I bought her a first generation iShuffle and loaded the software, > updated iTunes and followed the instruction. She loaded about forty > songs into iTunes from different CD?s and uploaded to the iShuffle > with no problem. > > A couple of days ago she uploaded about 15 more songs to the iTunes > library and then hooked up the iShuffle, it did not readily show up > on the desktop and when it did the last letter in it?s name was some > unknown letter / character that looked like a trapezoid. > > I clicked Autofill and it said updating complete but none of the new > songs were added. I added 5 songs to the library myself with the > same result. > > Reasonable suggestions welcome, How about asking this question on the iTunes or general purpose X4U list instead of this G4 list for which this question is completely off topic. Phil From lawli56 at hotmail.com Tue May 8 13:19:36 2007 From: lawli56 at hotmail.com (Celia Lawton-Livingstone) Date: Tue May 8 13:19:48 2007 Subject: [G4] RE: G4 Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <20070508181048.1FEEECE423E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: >I was hoping the strange text might have >provided a clue. > >I'm very grateful to all for the feedback, however. I'll welcome new ideas, >and if and when I get this figured out, I'll post it to the group. > >Preston I'm new to Macs myself, but not to hardware. I'm CompTIA A+ Certified and just studying for my MCDST. In Windows if the DPI is too low it can cause strange effects with text. As it's hardware related that's probably possible in OS X. C _________________________________________________________________ Could you be the guest MSN Movies presenter? Click Here to Audition http://www.lightscameraaudition.co.uk From bobs86 at fastermac.net Tue May 8 17:25:55 2007 From: bobs86 at fastermac.net (Robert Springer) Date: Tue May 8 17:26:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading a MDD from a single to dual processor In-Reply-To: <464060A5.6090904@frontiernet.net> References: <464060A5.6090904@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <306C85A1-EF3F-4994-82B4-A56557D02F1D@fastermac.net> Dual PowerPC G4 7447A CPUs running at 1.6 or 1.8 GHz are the only MDD upgrades that I know of. I upgraded my MDD 1.25 GHZ G4 with the dual 1.8 GHz which, as far as performance is concerned, ran quite well. The big problem with that upgrade is the heat generated by the 7447 chips. It was just too much to bear. I had memory problems with the chips nearest the heat sink. The temperatures reported were quite high - a good 50 - 60 degrees F higher than the single 1.25 GHz Stock Mac CPU. The upgrade's heat sink was too hot to touch. The heat sink on the stock 1.25 MDD is barely warm by comparison. I returned that upgrade because of the temperature problems. Newer Technology has announced new G4 upgrades using the 7448 CPU which is said to run much cooler. They do not currently have this for the MDD, however. I have e-mailed Newer Technology showing my interest in a 7448 upgrade for the MDD G4 but have not heard from them. You might try contacting them. Good luck and please post your experience if you upgrade. Best regards - Bob S -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070508/3aa920a7/attachment.html From bobs86 at fastermac.net Tue May 8 20:06:15 2007 From: bobs86 at fastermac.net (Robert Springer) Date: Tue May 8 20:06:30 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading a MDD from a single to dual processor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34B64BB8-F04A-4EEC-8E6E-5DEBD0FF1DD4@fastermac.net> The G4 MDD upgrades are processor board only - you will keep the MDD motherboard. For other info on your upgrade see my earlier post today about the 7447 temperature issues. Best regards - Bob Springer On May 8, 2007, at 1:38 AM, Bruce Ryan Nakamura wrote: > Hello, > > Is upgrading a single processor 1.25 Ghz MDD to a dual processor > unit, only > a matter of changing the processor, I can use the same motherboard? > > Thank you, > > Bruce Ryan Nakamura > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From galilao at lava.net Tue May 8 22:38:40 2007 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Tue May 8 22:37:10 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrading a MDD from a single to dual processor In-Reply-To: <34B64BB8-F04A-4EEC-8E6E-5DEBD0FF1DD4@fastermac.net> Message-ID: Hello Robert, Thank you for the information. Do I understand correctly, as I have to do is swap the processors and boot the MDD up? I don't have to change DIP switch settings, upgrade firmware, or jumper blocks? Probably the best action for me to take is look for a stock MDD dual 1.25 GHz with Firewire 400. As you probably know, the MDD dual 1.25 Ghz with Firewire 800 cannot boot in native OS 9. Cordial regards from Hawaii, Bruce Ryan Nakamura > From: Robert Springer > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 20:06:15 -0700 > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading a MDD from a single to dual processor > > The G4 MDD upgrades are processor board only - you will keep the MDD > motherboard. > For other info on your upgrade see my earlier post today about the > 7447 temperature issues. > > Best regards - Bob Springer > > On May 8, 2007, at 1:38 AM, Bruce Ryan Nakamura wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Is upgrading a single processor 1.25 Ghz MDD to a dual processor >> unit, only >> a matter of changing the processor, I can use the same motherboard? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Bruce Ryan Nakamura >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jester_123 at yahoo.com Wed May 9 06:13:46 2007 From: jester_123 at yahoo.com (Eric Hall) Date: Wed May 9 06:13:56 2007 Subject: [G4] SCSI card in my G4? Message-ID: <936846.23898.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I got my G4 from one of the used vendors on lowendmac. Being still mostly new to Macs, I'm still figuring out what I have. In the system profile, I see this: pci9004,7850: Type: SCSI Bus Controller Bus: PCI Slot: SLOT-B Vendor ID: 0x9004 Device ID: 0x5078 Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 Subsystem ID: 0x7850 Revision ID: 0x0003 Does this mean that there is a SCSI controller installed? I know there is some kind of card there, but I'm not sure what it is. Is there any way I can get more information from the system? Thank you, Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070509/542c7cee/attachment.html From trinzitter at sympatico.ca Wed May 9 07:45:55 2007 From: trinzitter at sympatico.ca (Trinzitter Sanwick) Date: Wed May 9 07:46:06 2007 Subject: [G4] SCSI card in my G4? In-Reply-To: <936846.23898.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <936846.23898.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, it's an Adaptec 2906 SCSI card. If you're running OS X, you shouldn't need any drivers. - Tony On 9-May-07, at 9:13 AM, Eric Hall wrote: > I got my G4 from one of the used vendors on lowendmac. Being still > mostly new to Macs, I'm still figuring out what I have. In the > system profile, I see this: > > pci9004,7850: > > Type: SCSI Bus Controller > Bus: PCI > Slot: SLOT-B > Vendor ID: 0x9004 > Device ID: 0x5078 > Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 > Subsystem ID: 0x7850 > Revision ID: 0x0003 > > Does this mean that there is a SCSI controller installed? I know > there is some kind of card there, but I'm not sure what it is. Is > there any way I can get more information from the system? > > Thank you, > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From harry at gifutiger.com Wed May 9 08:00:37 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed May 9 08:00:46 2007 Subject: [G4] SCSI card in my G4? In-Reply-To: <936846.23898.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <936846.23898.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) To see the Vendor ID: 0x9004, see http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendors.php?sort=id When you get there click on the vendor's name which will then take you to the other information that you have listed. ---------------------------------------------------- On May 9, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Eric Hall wrote: > I got my G4 from one of the used vendors on lowendmac. Being still > mostly new to Macs, I'm still figuring out what I have. In the system > profile, I see this: > > pci9004,7850: > > ? Type:??? SCSI Bus Controller > ? Bus:??? PCI > ? Slot:??? SLOT-B > ? Vendor ID:??? 0x9004 > ? Device ID:??? 0x5078 > ? Subsystem Vendor ID:??? 0x9004 > ? Subsystem ID:??? 0x7850 > ? Revision ID:??? 0x0003 > > Does this mean that there is a SCSI controller installed? I know there > is some kind of card there, but I'm not sure what it is. Is there any > way I can get more information from the system? > > Thank you, > > Eric > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From harry at gifutiger.com Wed May 9 08:15:45 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed May 9 08:15:56 2007 Subject: [G4] SCSI card in my G4? In-Reply-To: References: <936846.23898.qm@web37308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2256c45e15dc7faf5c70cd979ca1ee0c@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) The information that Eric listed doesn't limit the device to a Adaptec 2906 SCSI card. I have a Adaptec 2930 installed and the "System Profile" list the same information. Name: ADPT,2930CU Type: scsi Bus: PCI Slot: SLOT-D Vendor ID: 0x9004 Device ID: 0x5078 Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 Subsystem ID: 0x7850 Revision ID: 0x0003 Above is the full listing for my PCI card, I think that Eric has left something off of his posting. However since Eric's card is located in Slot "B" the card name may not be available. ---------------------------------------------------- On May 9, 2007, at 7:45 AM, Trinzitter Sanwick wrote: > Yes, it's an Adaptec 2906 SCSI card. If you're running OS X, you > shouldn't need any drivers. > > - Tony > > On 9-May-07, at 9:13 AM, Eric Hall wrote: > >> I got my G4 from one of the used vendors on lowendmac. Being still >> mostly new to Macs, I'm still figuring out what I have. In the system >> profile, I see this: >> >> pci9004,7850: >> >> Type: SCSI Bus Controller >> Bus: PCI >> Slot: SLOT-B >> Vendor ID: 0x9004 >> Device ID: 0x5078 >> Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 >> Subsystem ID: 0x7850 >> Revision ID: 0x0003 >> >> Does this mean that there is a SCSI controller installed? I know >> there is some kind of card there, but I'm not sure what it is. Is >> there any way I can get more information from the system? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Eric >> _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From rmkriss at sbcglobal.net Wed May 9 10:19:45 2007 From: rmkriss at sbcglobal.net (Richard Kriss) Date: Wed May 9 10:20:03 2007 Subject: [G4] What kind of drive is this? Message-ID: FireWire Bus: Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec I picked up a new (to me) Firewire External drive. It works great but I have no idea what brand drive is included. Where can you check other than the System Profiler? Dick ============================= 911: Manufacturer: Oxford Model: 0x1 GUID: 0x30E002E01013DF Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec Connection Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec Sub-units: 911 Unit: Unit Software Version: 0x10483 Unit Spec ID: 0x609E Firmware Revision: 0x37 Product Revision Level: Sub-units: 911 SBP-LUN: Capacity: 152.67 GB Removable Media: Yes BSD Name: disk2 OS9 Drivers: Yes S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported Volumes: External Drive: Capacity: 152.54 GB Available: 109.06 GB Writable: Yes File System: HFS+ BSD Name: disk2s10 Mount Point: /Volumes/External Drive From jomph at xs4all.nl Wed May 9 10:47:09 2007 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Wed May 9 10:47:26 2007 Subject: [G4] What kind of drive is this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 09-05-2007 19:19, Richard Kriss, rmkriss@sbcglobal.net, wrote: > Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec > I picked up a new (to me) Firewire External drive. It works great but I > have no idea what brand drive is included. Where can you check other than > the System Profiler? I strongly believe opening the case and looking at the drive will be the fastest and easiest way. Jo Hissel From jester_123 at yahoo.com Wed May 9 13:33:23 2007 From: jester_123 at yahoo.com (Eric Hall) Date: Wed May 9 13:33:31 2007 Subject: [G4] SCSI card in my G4? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <582236.8890.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you. I finally opened the case and took a look as well. It's 50 pin, which would be fast, narrow SCSI. Not many drives around for that. Most drives now are 68 or 80 pin. I guess I'll just leave it in since I don't have one of those little slot covers. I appreciate this info, I didn't know there was a database of pci vendors online. Eric Harry Freeman wrote: Greetings ( + )!( + ) To see the Vendor ID: 0x9004, see http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendors.php?sort=id When you get there click on the vendor's name which will then take you to the other information that you have listed. ---------------------------------------------------- On May 9, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Eric Hall wrote: > I got my G4 from one of the used vendors on lowendmac. Being still > mostly new to Macs, I'm still figuring out what I have. In the system > profile, I see this: > > pci9004,7850: > > Type: SCSI Bus Controller > Bus: PCI > Slot: SLOT-B > Vendor ID: 0x9004 > Device ID: 0x5078 > Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 > Subsystem ID: 0x7850 > Revision ID: 0x0003 > > Does this mean that there is a SCSI controller installed? I know there > is some kind of card there, but I'm not sure what it is. Is there any > way I can get more information from the system? > > Thank you, > > Eric > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070509/5b54a5f3/attachment.html From harry at gifutiger.com Wed May 9 13:39:14 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed May 9 13:39:24 2007 Subject: [G4] What kind of drive is this? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5b9422975c728df1972c1857f9b658f0@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) If the drive work Okay why would you want to open it up to find out what's inside. Down-side, after opening it, it may not work Okay again. My recommendation, "Don't Open" ---------------------------------------------------- On May 9, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Richard Kriss wrote: > > FireWire Bus: > > Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec > I picked up a new (to me) Firewire External drive. It works great but > I > have no idea what brand drive is included. Where can you check other > than > the System Profiler? > > Dick > ============================= > > 911: > > Manufacturer: Oxford > Model: 0x1 > GUID: 0x30E002E01013DF > Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec > Connection Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec > Sub-units: > 911 Unit: > Unit Software Version: 0x10483 > Unit Spec ID: 0x609E > Firmware Revision: 0x37 > Product Revision Level: > Sub-units: > 911 SBP-LUN: > Capacity: 152.67 GB > Removable Media: Yes > BSD Name: disk2 > OS9 Drivers: Yes > S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported > Volumes: > External Drive: > Capacity: 152.54 GB > Available: 109.06 GB > Writable: Yes > File System: HFS+ > BSD Name: disk2s10 > Mount Point: /Volumes/External Drive > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed May 9 14:02:02 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed May 9 14:02:12 2007 Subject: [G4] SCSI card in my G4? In-Reply-To: <582236.8890.qm@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <481346.87810.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, if you have a spare pci slot I'd leav e it in. I have used one of these cards with "Vuescan" software to drive an old Apple Color One scanner :-) Worked just fine. I also have a 2Gb external scsi hd box. So I can download old mac s/w on a new Mac, and then hook to vintage Macs to transfer s/w. Much easier than finding a usb floppy. Especially usefull now Apple have broken Appletalk :-( John --- Eric Hall wrote: > Thank you. I finally opened the case and took a look > as well. It's 50 pin, which would be fast, narrow > SCSI. Not many drives around for that. Most drives > now are 68 or 80 pin. I guess I'll just leave it in > since I don't have one of those little slot covers. > I appreciate this info, I didn't know there was a > database of pci vendors online. > > Eric > > Harry Freeman wrote: Greetings > ( + )!( + ) > > To see the Vendor ID: 0x9004, see > http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendors.php?sort=id > When you get there click on the vendor's name which > will then take you > to the other information that you have listed. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On May 9, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Eric Hall wrote: > > > I got my G4 from one of the used vendors on > lowendmac. Being still > > mostly new to Macs, I'm still figuring out what I > have. In the system > > profile, I see this: > > > > pci9004,7850: > > > > Type: SCSI Bus Controller > > Bus: PCI > > Slot: SLOT-B > > Vendor ID: 0x9004 > > Device ID: 0x5078 > > Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x9004 > > Subsystem ID: 0x7850 > > Revision ID: 0x0003 > > > > Does this mean that there is a SCSI controller > installed? I know there > > is some kind of card there, but I'm not sure what > it is. Is there any > > way I can get more information from the system? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cheers, /\*_*/\ > > Harry (*^_^*) > * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the > opposite of progress? > Congress! > Men's restroom House of Representatives, > Washington, DC > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From macsonly at brightok.net Wed May 9 21:30:27 2007 From: macsonly at brightok.net (Charles Lenington) Date: Wed May 9 21:33:23 2007 Subject: [G4] Video Card Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46429FE3.8050602@brightok.net> Preston Peek wrote: >>> The video ca snip------- >> Can you give us a better description of what, exactly, is wrong with the >> picture, though? Is it blurry or distorted or snowy (that one's pretty >> unlikely), or is video jerky? > > No distortion, but definitely not as crisp as I believe it should be--lines > are not always clean, often jagged--some places (solid surfaces) seem to be > moving in and out of focus, like when a video camera is trying to film a > window that's giving it competing objects to focus on. In large swaths of > color (sky, etc.) you can actually see soft, but definite pixilation. > > Two more bits of info: I cannot get text to appear cleanly; some jagged > lines and very blurred, and even black text (like what I'm typing here) has > a tint to it (red, green, blue). I've seen this kind of thing before when > the resolution if off, but that's not the case here. > > Also, I've had an Acer AL2017 for the last couple of months, and had the > same kinds of problems, so got rid of it. Could there be something in the G4 > itself that just doesn't like LCD screens? > By chance do you have a (table) fan, high intensity light or TV sitting close to the monitor? If so turn it off and see if you are getting interference. I try to keep an exterior fan on my computers since my wife at our house and my mom at hers gripe about electric use, both don't want me to run AC. chuckle chuckle From tom578 at rochester.rr.com Mon May 14 06:12:54 2007 From: tom578 at rochester.rr.com (Thomas J. Fobia) Date: Mon May 14 06:13:09 2007 Subject: [G4] Powerlogix problem or Display card? Message-ID: <46486056.9070301@rochester.rr.com> Hello all, I have recently been getting a verticle screen (as my computer locks up) and can only recover by rebooting! Its happened with several programs (Netscape, Safari, PSCS2, ect.) Im using a powerlogix 1.6Ghz with 1.75 GB ram. The display card is a ATI 8500. Anybody run across this problem before? Here the link to a photo of my Dell Monitor screen! : http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r91/tom578/100_2102sm.jpg Any suggestion would be appreciated! Thanks Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070514/d4268fc4/attachment.html From macandlinuxuser at gmail.com Mon May 14 06:25:55 2007 From: macandlinuxuser at gmail.com (Patrick J. Runcie) Date: Mon May 14 06:26:02 2007 Subject: [G4] Powerlogix problem or Display card? In-Reply-To: <46486056.9070301@rochester.rr.com> References: <46486056.9070301@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <670C6F3E-DB7A-4A45-A309-4F17B92DF4B6@gmail.com> Try re-seating the graphics card. Take it out completely and put it back in. If that doesn't work, borrow another graphic card and use it. That'll probably tell you if it's the graphics card. The reason I said probably is if you still have the problem, even with another card, swap monitors. It's remote, but it also could be the monitor going south on you. On May 14, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Thomas J. Fobia wrote: > Hello all, > > I have recently been getting a verticle screen (as my computer > locks up) and can only recover by rebooting! Its happened with > several programs (Netscape, Safari, PSCS2, ect.) Im using a > powerlogix 1.6Ghz with 1.75 GB ram. The display card is a ATI 8500. > Anybody run across this problem before? Here the link to a photo of > my Dell Monitor screen! : > > http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r91/tom578/100_2102sm.jpg > > Any suggestion would be appreciated! > > Thanks > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 Patrick J. Runcie macandlinuxuser@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070514/52922558/attachment-0001.html From rmkriss at sbcglobal.net Mon May 14 06:30:55 2007 From: rmkriss at sbcglobal.net (Richard Kriss) Date: Mon May 14 06:31:02 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 Digest, Vol 33, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <20070514132609.C064CD2730D@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 5/14/07 8:26 AM, "g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com" wrote: > On 09-05-2007 19:19, Richard Kriss, rmkriss@sbcglobal.net, wrote: > >> Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec >> I picked up a new (to me) Firewire External drive. It works great but I >> have no idea what brand drive is included. Where can you check other than >> the System Profiler? > > I strongly believe opening the case and looking at the drive will be the > fastest and easiest way. > > Jo Hissel The case has a security seal that I am reluctant to break From macandlinuxuser at gmail.com Mon May 14 06:33:54 2007 From: macandlinuxuser at gmail.com (Patrick J. Runcie) Date: Mon May 14 06:34:03 2007 Subject: [G4] Powerlogix problem or Display card? In-Reply-To: <46486056.9070301@rochester.rr.com> References: <46486056.9070301@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <8C5259E6-56BF-408E-B7D7-1255E0E5CB08@gmail.com> ...another thought, re-seat the cable, from both end. Unplug, re- plug, from the monitor and the computer. Check your settings. You may have the resolution set to something the monitor doesn't support. If you don't have the manual to the Dell, go to their website and get the specs for it. On May 14, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Thomas J. Fobia wrote: > Hello all, > > I have recently been getting a verticle screen (as my computer > locks up) and can only recover by rebooting! Its happened with > several programs (Netscape, Safari, PSCS2, ect.) Im using a > powerlogix 1.6Ghz with 1.75 GB ram. The display card is a ATI 8500. > Anybody run across this problem before? Here the link to a photo of > my Dell Monitor screen! : > > http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r91/tom578/100_2102sm.jpg > > Any suggestion would be appreciated! > > Thanks > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 Patrick J. Runcie macandlinuxuser@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070514/dea39401/attachment.html From tom578 at rochester.rr.com Mon May 14 06:53:27 2007 From: tom578 at rochester.rr.com (Thomas J. Fobia) Date: Mon May 14 06:53:32 2007 Subject: [G4] Powerlogix problem or Display Card? Message-ID: <464869D7.1040908@rochester.rr.com> Thanks Patrick, I looked up the P990 Dell Monitor and its able to work at 1280 x1024 at 60hz. I think the reseating the card and cables will help! Thanks again! Tom From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon May 14 07:24:24 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon May 14 07:24:35 2007 Subject: [G4] Powerlogix problem or Display card? In-Reply-To: <46486056.9070301@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <711262.34635.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In your picture I notice that the major vertical lines are matching your pens. The gray line below the gray pen and the blue line below the blue pen. My guess is an lcd clock is the equivalent of a blue pen. I think you should move your clock and pens. :-) Only teasing - I thought the picture a great idea. When debugging these kind of things it always helps to have other parts to swap out with. --- "Thomas J. Fobia" wrote: > Hello all, > > I have recently been getting a verticle screen > (as my computer locks > up) and can only recover by rebooting! Its happened > with several > programs (Netscape, Safari, PSCS2, ect.) Im using a > powerlogix 1.6Ghz > with 1.75 GB ram. The display card is a ATI 8500. > Anybody run across > this problem before? Here the link to a photo of my > Dell Monitor screen! : > > > http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r91/tom578/100_2102sm.jpg > > Any suggestion would be appreciated! > > Thanks > > Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From harry at gifutiger.com Mon May 14 08:41:01 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon May 14 08:41:11 2007 Subject: [G4] Powerlogix problem or Display card? In-Reply-To: <46486056.9070301@rochester.rr.com> References: <46486056.9070301@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Tom, can you change the speed on your Powerlogix processor to a slower speed to see if your RAM is having a problem at the 1.6Ghz level. If this solves the problem then it's either your Powerlogix processor or you one of your RAM sticks. Next, assuming that you are either running 10.3.9 or 10.4.x can you login as another user, one that isn't running any applications other than the 10.x.x base. If this helps then you have applications that are in conflict. ---------------------------------------------------- On May 14, 2007, at 6:12 AM, Thomas J. Fobia wrote: > Hello all, > > ??? I have recently been getting a verticle screen (as my computer > locks up) and can only recover by rebooting! Its happened with several > programs (Netscape, Safari, PSCS2, ect.) Im using a powerlogix 1.6Ghz > with 1.75 GB ram. The display card is a ATI 8500. Anybody run across > this problem before? Here the link to a photo of my Dell Monitor > screen! : > > ?http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r91/tom578/100_2102sm.jpg > > Any suggestion would be appreciated! > > Thanks > > Tom > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From jomph at xs4all.nl Mon May 14 10:04:49 2007 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Mon May 14 10:05:11 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 Digest, Vol 33, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14-05-2007 15:30, Richard Kriss, rmkriss@sbcglobal.net, wrote: > On 5/14/07 8:26 AM, "g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com" > wrote: > >> On 09-05-2007 19:19, Richard Kriss, rmkriss@sbcglobal.net, wrote: >> >>> Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec >>> I picked up a new (to me) Firewire External drive. It works great but I >>> have no idea what brand drive is included. Where can you check other than >>> the System Profiler? >> >> I strongly believe opening the case and looking at the drive will be the >> fastest and easiest way. >> >> Jo Hissel > > The case has a security seal that I am reluctant to break OK. But without using the System Profiler and/or not opening the case there only will rest you asking your supplier or the manufacturer, I believe. Jo Hissel From imago at bellsouth.net Tue May 15 08:28:31 2007 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Tue May 15 08:26:29 2007 Subject: [G4] upgrade problem References: <20070514132609.C064CD2730D@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <4649D1A0.93B0D4B8@bellsouth.net> I upgraded my system yesterday. Had been using 10.2.8, and jumped to 10.4.6. The install went fine, I did an archive of my old system. The problem happened when I did a restart a bit later - I got the apple screen, the spinning icon below, but then the apple turned into a circle with a line across it, (the universal "no" symbol), and I could not boot up any further. I restarted from the install disk, verified and repaired permissions on the volume that I had done the new system install on, and verified the disk, which disk utility said was fine. Right now I'm booted into a different hard drive, with my old system 9.2.2 on it. I got here by holding down the option key on startup, when all my potential startup systems are paraded across the screen. My new 10.4.6 shows up there too, but if I choose it, the same thing happens again. What can the problem be? margaret From briang113 at pacbell.net Tue May 15 09:01:48 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Tue May 15 09:01:57 2007 Subject: [G4] upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <4649D1A0.93B0D4B8@bellsouth.net> References: <20070514132609.C064CD2730D@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4649D1A0.93B0D4B8@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <33FEE6A3-5FEC-4CF3-B2B1-4F9DA7E59B1A@pacbell.net> I would try a reinstall of the OS, when you boot from the install disc it should give you the option to repair/reinstall. Try that After the reboot when you do the software update, make sure you are not running any program or using the computer in any way. There have been reports that this will mess up the optimize phase of the upgrade. Good Luck. On May 15, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > I upgraded my system yesterday. > Had been using 10.2.8, and jumped to 10.4.6. > The install went fine, I did an archive of my old system. > > The problem happened when I did a restart a bit later - > I got the apple screen, the spinning icon below, but then > the apple turned into a circle with a line across it, (the universal > "no" symbol), and I could not boot up any further. > I restarted from the install disk, verified and repaired permissions > on the volume that I had done the new system install on, > and verified the disk, which disk utility said was fine. > > Right now I'm booted into a different hard drive, with my old > system 9.2.2 on it. I got here by holding down the option key > on startup, when all my potential startup systems are paraded > across the screen. My new 10.4.6 shows up there too, but if > I choose it, the same thing happens again. What can the problem be? > > margaret > _______________________________________________ From harry at gifutiger.com Tue May 15 09:21:18 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue May 15 09:21:27 2007 Subject: [G4] upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <4649D1A0.93B0D4B8@bellsouth.net> References: <20070514132609.C064CD2730D@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4649D1A0.93B0D4B8@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Margaret I had the same problem for different reasons and the only way that I found to get out of it was to swap the disk locations. If you have a G4 Sawtooth I'll guess that you just upgraded to 10.4.6 on your secondary disk, that's the one that is located on top. Don't ask why but the systems wants to boot to that disk. You don't actually have to move the disk, just disconnect the ribbon cable from both disks and place the second connector on the top disk. The second connector is for the primary disk. Then boot-up and it should come on-line. Hopefully you can then shut down and reconnect the disks back like normal and everything will work. If not then just swap the disk locations. Worked for me. ---------------------------------------------------- On May 15, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > I upgraded my system yesterday. > Had been using 10.2.8, and jumped to 10.4.6. > The install went fine, I did an archive of my old system. > > The problem happened when I did a restart a bit later - > I got the apple screen, the spinning icon below, but then > the apple turned into a circle with a line across it, (the universal > "no" symbol), and I could not boot up any further. > I restarted from the install disk, verified and repaired permissions > on the volume that I had done the new system install on, > and verified the disk, which disk utility said was fine. > > Right now I'm booted into a different hard drive, with my old > system 9.2.2 on it. I got here by holding down the option key > on startup, when all my potential startup systems are paraded > across the screen. My new 10.4.6 shows up there too, but if > I choose it, the same thing happens again. What can the problem be? > > margaret > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From harry at gifutiger.com Tue May 15 09:40:08 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue May 15 09:40:14 2007 Subject: [G4] upgrade problem In-Reply-To: References: <20070514132609.C064CD2730D@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4649D1A0.93B0D4B8@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <6fade170e72ce0c143198d4d92dc072e@gifutiger.com> On May 15, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Margaret I had the same problem for different reasons and the only way > that I found to get out of it was to swap the disk locations. > > If you have a G4 Sawtooth I'll guess that you just upgraded to 10.4.6 > on your secondary disk, that's the one that is located on top. > > Don't ask why but the systems wants to boot to The Primary Disk, the one on the bottom. > You don't actually have to move the disk, just disconnect the ribbon > cable from both disks and place the second connector on the top disk. > The second connector is for the primary disk. Then boot-up and it > should come on-line. > > Hopefully you can then shut down and reconnect the disks back like > normal and everything will work. If not then just swap the disk > locations. > > Worked for me. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On May 15, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > >> I upgraded my system yesterday. >> Had been using 10.2.8, and jumped to 10.4.6. >> The install went fine, I did an archive of my old system. >> >> The problem happened when I did a restart a bit later - >> I got the apple screen, the spinning icon below, but then >> the apple turned into a circle with a line across it, (the universal >> "no" symbol), and I could not boot up any further. >> I restarted from the install disk, verified and repaired permissions >> on the volume that I had done the new system install on, >> and verified the disk, which disk utility said was fine. >> >> Right now I'm booted into a different hard drive, with my old >> system 9.2.2 on it. I got here by holding down the option key >> on startup, when all my potential startup systems are paraded >> across the screen. My new 10.4.6 shows up there too, but if >> I choose it, the same thing happens again. What can the problem be? >> >> margaret >> _______________________________________________ > > > Cheers, /\*_*/\ > > Harry (*^_^*) > * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of > progress? Congress! > Men's restroom House of Representatives, > Washington, DC > > _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2214 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070515/9ba9fad1/attachment.bin From imago at bellsouth.net Tue May 15 10:28:12 2007 From: imago at bellsouth.net (Margaret Krakowiak) Date: Tue May 15 10:26:02 2007 Subject: [G4] upgrade problem - can't boot to new system References: <20070515162138.80F28D32D63@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <4649EDAC.FBEC6BFD@bellsouth.net> Thanks for the replies to my problem. Brian, I was thinking of trying to reinstall, haven't done that yet. And Harry, I was wondering about the drive's location maybe affecting things. I'm on a G4 450 DP, gig ethernet. The difference is it's not installed on the second drive, but the *third*, that I recently installed to make the move to X. It's a 250 gig ATA drive (not SATA), and I had to get a PCI controller card to be able to see/use all the space. (I know someone else was having problems with a SATA drive and controller card, on boot getting a question mark.) And the thing is, this new drive was seen and booted up fine in 10.2.8, so I don't know why there should be problems now. I'm not sure if I can go backwards, the old archived system can't be used to boot, and I don't want to step back anyway if I can help it. margaret From harry at gifutiger.com Tue May 15 10:46:43 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue May 15 10:46:50 2007 Subject: [G4] upgrade problem - can't boot to new system In-Reply-To: <4649EDAC.FBEC6BFD@bellsouth.net> References: <20070515162138.80F28D32D63@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4649EDAC.FBEC6BFD@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Margaret, since you have three (3) drives, I would try just disconnecting the first two (2) drive and try starting up. If that don't work then you can power-down and reconnect the disconnected drives. As to the reinstalling, I tried that about 3 times and it never worked. If fact it got to a point where the system wouldn't even recognize the CD/DVD drive so I couldn't even read from the original install disk. ---------------------------------------------------- On May 15, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Margaret Krakowiak wrote: > Thanks for the replies to my problem. > > Brian, I was thinking of trying to reinstall, haven't > done that yet. > > And Harry, I was wondering about the drive's location > maybe affecting things. I'm on a G4 450 DP, gig ethernet. > The difference is it's not installed on the second drive, > but the *third*, that I recently installed to make the move > to X. It's a 250 gig ATA drive (not SATA), and I had to get > a PCI controller card to be able to see/use all the space. > (I know someone else was having problems with a SATA drive > and controller card, on boot getting a question mark.) > > And the thing is, this new drive was seen and booted up fine > in 10.2.8, so I don't know why there should be problems now. > I'm not sure if I can go backwards, the old archived system can't > be used to boot, and I don't want to step back anyway if I can help > it. > > margaret > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From macandlinuxuser at gmail.com Tue May 15 11:06:11 2007 From: macandlinuxuser at gmail.com (Patrick J. Runcie) Date: Tue May 15 11:06:23 2007 Subject: [G4] upgrade problem In-Reply-To: <4649D1A0.93B0D4B8@bellsouth.net> References: <20070514132609.C064CD2730D@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4649D1A0.93B0D4B8@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <808420FF-0BA0-43C3-8118-411625C9787B@gmail.com> Just like w/Windows, I do not believe in upgrades, at best they are not 100% error free, as you are finding out. Especially with your example, your upgrading 2 versions back. 1 is bad enough. It is much easier to do a clean install, along with the inconvenience of reinstalling your programs. Backup your data files, remember the path from where they came from, do a clean install, reinstall the programs, place the data file(s) back to where they came from. I have been working with computers since the late '70s, and at least for me and most of my colleagues, is how we deal with a new OS. I will say, the exception is Linux. Most of the time, upgrades with Linux work. Patrick J. Runcie macandlinuxuser@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070515/86581376/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed May 16 08:28:48 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed May 16 08:28:57 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 350 boost! Message-ID: <827007.53592.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thought I'd report on my G4 AGP 350MHz upgrading on the cheap. This machine is an early UNI-N revision 3 so can't take a dual upgrade. So I found a single 733MHz CPU card and heatsink, from a QuickSilver, I think, on ebay for a total of $50.51. Doesn't seem to have a L3 cache. The 733 daughter card is bigger than the 350. You have to remove the DVDrom/Zip ATA connector to get it to fit. Others have de-soldered it and directly soldered the cable to the PCB. As I am using SCSI drives via an ATTO UL3D PCI card, I just snipped the ATA connector pins off and re-routed the DVDrom cable to the free main ATA/66 plug. If you are using a PCI ATA interface (to get big drives) you could do the same. The heatsink is too big also. I hacksawed off one half so it looks a bit like the original. Seems to work OK, but I might fit a fan if that becomes necessary. As is the new CPU runs at 550MHz. That's because its multiplier is set as 5.5 times the system bus. 133.3MHz X 5.5 = 733MHz but 100.0MHz X 5.5 = 550MHz So I got out my iron and moved one resistor (instructions on-line) to make the multiplier it's maximun of X 8.0. Now my CPU runs at 800MHz!!! So far it seems OK and is not getting hot. Not a bad way to boost an aging AGP!!!!! John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From ppeek at nc.rr.com Wed May 16 09:02:57 2007 From: ppeek at nc.rr.com (Preston Peek) Date: Wed May 16 09:03:03 2007 Subject: [G4] Slow Response on G4 933 MHz Message-ID: My G4 has been running very slowly, especially with applications like Photoshop Elements (in which I perform very simple operations), which I usually operate with Entourage, Safari and maybe another program open. I have 512 RAM, 10 Gig available on a 60 Gig HD, also a 2nd internal 60 gig drive. My question: are there any basic operations I can perform (clearing cache, etc.) that might speed things up? If yes, how? I know that upgrading RAM is the way to go, but want to make sure there aren't other issues here (perhaps lots of extraneous s/w clogging things up). Many thanks in advance, Preston From harry at gifutiger.com Wed May 16 09:26:06 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed May 16 09:26:11 2007 Subject: [G4] Slow Response on G4 933 MHz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Preston, I assume that you are running either 10.3.x or 10.4.x, which drive and what size is the partition that the OS X installed. If it is your 60 Gig drive and you only have 10 gig how much is being allocated to swap space? OS X can only use the drive/partition on which it is installed for swap space unless you have made some changes to some of the start-up inits. I was having the same problem when I had my 120 Gig drive partitioned into 4 drives of approximately 30 Gigs each. So I change the swap drive from my default start-up drive to another drive. I've since removed the partitions and don't need to change the swap space drive. If you want to change your swap space drive, do a search engine search for "mac os x swap space" or goto http://www.macosxhints.com/ and you'll find all of the information that you could ever want. Have a look at http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php? story=20040716153639236&query=swap%2Bspace ---------------------------------------------------- On May 16, 2007, at 9:02 AM, Preston Peek wrote: > My G4 has been running very slowly, especially with applications like > Photoshop Elements (in which I perform very simple operations), which I > usually operate with Entourage, Safari and maybe another program open. > I > have 512 RAM, 10 Gig available on a 60 Gig HD, also a 2nd internal 60 > gig > drive. My question: are there any basic operations I can perform > (clearing > cache, etc.) that might speed things up? If yes, how? I know that > upgrading > RAM is the way to go, but want to make sure there aren't other issues > here > (perhaps lots of extraneous s/w clogging things up). > > Many thanks in advance, > > Preston > _______________________________________________ Cheers, /\*_*/\ Harry (*^_^*) * If pro is the opposite of con, then what is the opposite of progress? Congress! Men's restroom House of Representatives, Washington, DC From ronmichael at gmail.com Thu May 17 01:04:05 2007 From: ronmichael at gmail.com (Ron Michael) Date: Thu May 17 01:04:43 2007 Subject: [G4] Miglia TV Max Won't Reload In-Reply-To: