From macguy47 at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 15:05:58 2007 From: macguy47 at gmail.com (Daile Engle) Date: Sun Nov 4 15:03:09 2007 Subject: [G4] Owners manual? MDD dual 1.25 (last one made) Message-ID: Hello list members, I'm looking for an owners manual .pdf for my MDD dual 1.25 (last one made) anybody got a pdf they can send me off- list? thanks, Jeff Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macguy47@gmail.com PowerMac G5 1.8 Single (wefixmacs build) 3 gb ram,(1) 160gbhd, (1) 400gbhd, APC 1200 ups, canon 8600f scanner, Brother HL1440 printer, Dell e228wfp monitor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071104/f21bf224/attachment.html From macguy47 at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 16:41:50 2007 From: macguy47 at gmail.com (Daile Engle) Date: Sun Nov 4 16:39:06 2007 Subject: [G4] UPDATE: G4 owners manual (Got it!) Message-ID: <5C521FCC-A205-408C-AAA9-221533833E73@gmail.com> Thanks for all the emails! I found one, thanks! Jeff Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macguy47@gmail.com PowerMac G5 1.8 Single (wefixmacs build) 3 gb ram,(1) 160gbhd, (1) 400gbhd, APC 1200 ups, canon 8600f scanner, Brother HL1440 printer, Dell e228wfp monitor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071104/d2ed26e8/attachment.html From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun Nov 4 17:34:32 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun Nov 4 17:34:45 2007 Subject: [G4] Owners manual? MDD dual 1.25 (last one made) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472E7328.10204@dslextreme.com> Daile Engle wrote: > Hello list members, I'm looking for an owners manual .pdf for my MDD > dual 1.25 (last one made) anybody got a pdf they can send me off-list? > thanks, Jeff > > > > > Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle?? > Kamiah, Idaho 83536 > macguy47@gmail.com In the end, all I could find were two documents Apple had: http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/Power_Mac_G4_Mirrored_Drive_Doors_2003.html - which gives you all the specifications for your model, and, http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=42739 - which gives you info on how to differentiate between similar models. The specific model your looking for is their M9145LL/A, in column 6. I'm afraid neither is the .pdf you're looking for. I couldn't find any mention of it in Apple's downloads or any other place on their site. keith whaley I have the very same model... From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun Nov 4 17:41:02 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun Nov 4 17:41:13 2007 Subject: [G4] UPDATE: G4 owners manual (Got it!) In-Reply-To: <5C521FCC-A205-408C-AAA9-221533833E73@gmail.com> References: <5C521FCC-A205-408C-AAA9-221533833E73@gmail.com> Message-ID: <472E74AE.2010905@dslextreme.com> Daile Engle wrote: > Thanks for all the emails! I found one, thanks! Jeff > > > Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle?? > Kamiah, Idaho 83536 > macguy47@gmail.com Can you share where you found it, if it's a downloadable .pdf? If not, can you send one (attach to an email?) Thanks, keith whaley From macguy47 at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 18:07:39 2007 From: macguy47 at gmail.com (Daile Engle) Date: Mon Nov 5 18:05:25 2007 Subject: [G4] Startup chime but no dice! Message-ID: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> Just acquired my nice dead MDD dual 1.25... and after a few things thought I'd bounce it off the list members... Ok, here goes: Before powering up, replaced pram battery and reset PMU just for kicks. Then, after 10 minutes or so, tried to boot up. What I got was a nice startup chime, fans running at low speed, cpu heats up warm, Disk drive spins (pretty sure) but nothing on the screen.. nice and black.. then I shut down and proceeded to R&R all the modules along with a bit of cleaning. There is 1280mb of ram and I figured since I got no "beeps" at startup, the processor and ram are ok (i hope) At this point, I'm leaning towards video card or logic board. what do ya think? I might also add that tring to do a pram clear (option, control, pr) I could not get the second chime? Jeff Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macguy47@gmail.com PowerMac G5 1.8 Single (wefixmacs build) 3 gb ram,(1) 160gbhd, (1) 400gbhd, APC 1200 ups, canon 8600f scanner, Brother HL1440 printer, Dell e228wfp monitor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071105/7d889da3/attachment.html From ewood at izoom.net Mon Nov 5 23:06:27 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Mon Nov 5 23:06:36 2007 Subject: [G4] Startup chime but no dice! In-Reply-To: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> References: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194332787.10599.4.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 18:07 -0800, Daile Engle wrote: > Just acquired my nice dead MDD dual 1.25... and after a few things > thought I'd bounce it off the list members... > Ok, here goes: > Before powering up, replaced pram battery and reset PMU just for > kicks. Then, after 10 minutes or so, tried to boot up. What I got was > a nice startup chime, fans running at low speed, cpu heats up warm, > Disk drive spins (pretty sure) but nothing on the screen.. nice and > black.. then I shut down and proceeded to R&R all the modules along > with a bit of cleaning. There is 1280mb of ram and I figured since I > got no "beeps" at startup, the processor and ram are ok (i hope) At > this point, I'm leaning towards video card or logic board. what do ya > think? I might also add that tring to do a pram clear (option, > control, pr) I could not get the second chime? Jeff > > Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle > Kamiah, Idaho 83536 > macguy47@gmail.com I believe you mean command-option-p-r. That one should get you as many chimes as you like. As for the problem, if that doesn't get you a display, do try taking some of the RAM out just for fun. And if you have any spare video card around, don't hesitate to test that. Lots of probing should turn something up. Eric From arricam at 295.ca Tue Nov 6 02:49:41 2007 From: arricam at 295.ca (arricam@295.ca) Date: Tue Nov 6 02:49:57 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Ideal Printer for G4--G4ever In-Reply-To: <20071106020535.926C61C17F82@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071106020535.926C61C17F82@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <49153.208.72.122.69.1194346181.squirrel@mail.295.ca> Hello: Looking for printer, for document's which don't use 'chip type' cartridges. What brands would be ideal for G4- 466mhz. Is there such an option for laser printer models. Thanks G4ever From michael at wbsnet.org Tue Nov 6 04:01:58 2007 From: michael at wbsnet.org (R Michael Vogt) Date: Tue Nov 6 04:02:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Ideal Printer for G4--G4ever In-Reply-To: <49153.208.72.122.69.1194346181.squirrel@mail.295.ca> References: <20071106020535.926C61C17F82@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <49153.208.72.122.69.1194346181.squirrel@mail.295.ca> Message-ID: look at one of the brother laser printers for around $89.00 it will print 2500 pages just black cheaper then inkjet On Nov 6, 2007, at 3:49 AM, arricam@295.ca wrote: > Hello: > > Looking for printer, for document's which don't > use 'chip type' cartridges. What brands would > be ideal for G4- 466mhz. Is there such an option > for laser printer models. > > Thanks > > G4ever > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From dcandler at sasktel.net Tue Nov 6 08:08:05 2007 From: dcandler at sasktel.net (David Candler) Date: Tue Nov 6 08:05:33 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Ideal Printer for G4--G4ever In-Reply-To: References: <20071106020535.926C61C17F82@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <49153.208.72.122.69.1194346181.squirrel@mail.295.ca> Message-ID: On 6-Nov-07, at 6:01 AM, R Michael Vogt wrote: > look at one of the brother laser printers for around $89.00 it > will print 2500 pages just black cheaper then inkjet > On Nov 6, 2007, at 3:49 AM, arricam@295.ca wrote: > >> I couldn't agree more. I've been using a Brother HL-1435 laser printer for a couple of years, first on a G4-400 Sawtooth and then on a G4-733 Quicksilver. It's been working great. We just recently used up the toner that came with it and are now using a new third- party high-capacity toner cartridge that should get us 6000 pages for about the prices of two inkjet cartridges. ============================== David Candler dcandler@sasktel.net Chaplin, Saskatchewan Canada ============================== From keith_w at dslextreme.com Tue Nov 6 08:31:01 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Tue Nov 6 08:42:12 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Ideal Printer for G4--G4ever In-Reply-To: References: <20071106020535.926C61C17F82@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <49153.208.72.122.69.1194346181.squirrel@mail.295.ca> Message-ID: <473096C5.6070807@dslextreme.com> David Candler wrote: > > On 6-Nov-07, at 6:01 AM, R Michael Vogt wrote: > >> look at one of the brother laser printers for around $89.00 it will >> print 2500 pages just black cheaper then inkjet >> On Nov 6, 2007, at 3:49 AM, arricam@295.ca wrote: > I couldn't agree more. I've been using a Brother HL-1435 laser printer > for a couple of years, first on a G4-400 Sawtooth and then on a G4-733 > Quicksilver. It's been working great. We just recently used up the > toner that came with it and are now using a new third-party > high-capacity toner cartridge that should get us 6000 pages for about > the prices of two inkjet cartridges. > > > ============================== > David Candler dcandler@sasktel.net > Chaplin, Saskatchewan Canada > ============================== I'll add my name as a happy Brother laser copy/printer/fax owner. I have a Brother FAX-2820 and it's now a year old, and aging gracefully! keith whaley So. Cal. iMac Intel Core 2 Duo OS 10.4.10 From macguy47 at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 09:54:25 2007 From: macguy47 at gmail.com (Daile Engle) Date: Tue Nov 6 09:52:57 2007 Subject: [G4] Startup chime but no dice! In-Reply-To: <1194332787.10599.4.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> References: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> <1194332787.10599.4.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> Message-ID: > > I believe you mean command-option-p-r. That one should get you as many > chimes as you like. > > As for the problem, if that doesn't get you a display, do try taking > some of the RAM out just for fun. And if you have any spare video card > around, don't hesitate to test that. Lots of probing should turn > something up. > > Eric > Eric Ok, hmm.. sounds like the logic board more and more all the time. I don't have a spare video card.. question, if it was a video card problem, command, option p-r would give me more than one chime regardless of weather or not I did a pmu reset prior to it? or.. better question, what actions would I perform or be able to perform with the keyboard and mouse? I can't open the drive tray via the keyboard or holding down the mouse.... hmm is there "other" keyboard shortcuts that produce actions? (I know I'm reaching here)... I'm thinking if the logic board won't recognize the keyboard and mouse... bad logic board? video card = video problems right? it shouldn't affect the keyboard and mouse functions? now , here's another one I just thought of... I have no idea of which operating system is on this machine.. 9.2 may or may not recognize my newer mighty mouse and keyboard.. if that's what the last person had on it, unlikely though, but just for kicks, I'll install an old tiger drive and see.... Jeff Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macguy47@gmail.com PowerMac G5 1.8 Single (wefixmacs build) 3 gb ram,(1) 160gbhd, (1) 400gbhd, APC 1200 ups, canon 8600f scanner, Brother HL1440 printer, Dell e228wfp monitor Recently acquired: G4 MDD Dual 1.25 (2003) with problems :-) From jekrauss at charter.net Tue Nov 6 10:44:59 2007 From: jekrauss at charter.net (Jay E. Krauss Jr) Date: Tue Nov 6 10:46:09 2007 Subject: [G4] Startup chime but no dice! In-Reply-To: References: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> <1194332787.10599.4.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> Message-ID: Jeff, The MDD is designed to start up in Firewire Target mode. Since your G5 has Firewire, you could attempt to boot the MDD with "T" depressed (presuming some message gets from the keyboard to the MDD's "innards"). I'm not sure how much of the MDD's logic board, RAM. etc is required to get into Firewire Target mode, but even if there is no video from the MDD, the G5 (if Target mode entered) would see the MDD's first (only?) hard drive. You could then inspect the drive to see what was on it and (possibly) run repairs with Disk Utility, DiskWarrior, TechTool, Drive Genius, etc. This, of course, does not permit checking the logic board or RAM of the MDD, and even if hard drive access and repairs were possible, the MDD may still not boot if there is a logic board or RAM problem. Just a thought. Jay >>I believe you mean command-option-p-r. That one should get you as many >>chimes as you like. >> >>As for the problem, if that doesn't get you a display, do try taking >>some of the RAM out just for fun. And if you have any spare video card >>around, don't hesitate to test that. Lots of probing should turn >>something up. >> >>Eric >> >Eric > Ok, hmm.. sounds like the logic board more and more all the >time. I don't have a spare video card.. question, if it was a >video card problem, command, option p-r would give me more than one >chime regardless of weather or not I did a pmu reset prior to it? >or.. better question, what actions would I perform or be able to >perform with the keyboard and mouse? I can't open the drive tray via >the keyboard or holding down the mouse.... hmm is there "other" >keyboard shortcuts that produce actions? (I know I'm reaching >here)... I'm thinking if the logic board won't recognize the >keyboard and mouse... bad logic board? video card = video problems >right? it shouldn't affect the keyboard and mouse functions? now , >here's another one I just thought of... I have no idea of which >operating system is on this machine.. 9.2 may or may not recognize >my newer mighty mouse and keyboard.. if that's what the last person >had on it, unlikely though, but just for kicks, I'll install an old >tiger drive and see.... Jeff > > >Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle >Kamiah, Idaho 83536 >macguy47@gmail.com > >PowerMac G5 1.8 Single (wefixmacs build) 3 gb ram,(1) 160gbhd, (1) >400gbhd, APC 1200 ups, canon 8600f scanner, Brother HL1440 printer, >Dell e228wfp monitor > >Recently acquired: G4 MDD Dual 1.25 (2003) with problems :-) > > > >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From macguy47 at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 11:07:04 2007 From: macguy47 at gmail.com (Daile Engle) Date: Tue Nov 6 11:04:25 2007 Subject: [G4] Startup chime but no dice! In-Reply-To: References: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> <1194332787.10599.4.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> Message-ID: <9A990C9E-ABAE-41C9-86AD-050674B2162E@gmail.com> Jay, great stuff here.. so stupid, I should've thought about firewire disk mode.. man!.. hey, can I FDM with only one mouse keyboard attached to my G5? don't have one yet for the G4... yes only one drive in the mdd.. Jeff On Nov 6, 2007, at 10:44 AM, Jay E. Krauss Jr wrote: > Jeff, > The MDD is designed to start up in Firewire Target mode. Since > your G5 has Firewire, you could attempt to boot the MDD with "T" > depressed (presuming some message gets from the keyboard to the > MDD's "innards"). I'm not sure how much of the MDD's logic board, > RAM. etc is required to get into Firewire Target mode, but even if > there is no video from the MDD, the G5 (if Target mode entered) > would see the MDD's first (only?) hard drive. You could then > inspect the drive to see what was on it and (possibly) run repairs > with Disk Utility, DiskWarrior, TechTool, Drive Genius, etc. This, > of course, does not permit checking the logic board or RAM of the > MDD, and even if hard drive access and repairs were possible, the > MDD may still not boot if there is a logic board or RAM problem. > Just a thought. > Jay > > > > >> >> >> Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macguy47@gmail.com PowerMac G5 1.8 Single (wefixmacs build) 3 gb ram,(1) 160gbhd, (1) 400gbhd, APC 1200 ups, canon 8600f scanner, Brother HL1440 printer, Dell e228wfp monitor Recently acquired: G4 MDD Dual 1.25 (2003) with problems :-) From macguy47 at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 11:10:00 2007 From: macguy47 at gmail.com (Daile Engle) Date: Tue Nov 6 11:07:26 2007 Subject: [G4] Startup chime but no dice! In-Reply-To: References: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> <1194332787.10599.4.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> Message-ID: Oops, "with 'T' depressed.... yes, I need a keyboard on the MDD.... we're on a roll today.. Jeff On Nov 6, 2007, at 10:44 AM, Jay E. Krauss Jr wrote: > Jeff, > The MDD is designed to start up in Firewire Target mode. Since > your G5 has Firewire, you could attempt to boot the MDD with "T" > depressed (presuming some message gets from the keyboard to the > MDD's "innards"). I'm not sure how much of the MDD's logic board, > RAM. etc is required to get into Firewire Target mode, but even if > there is no video from the MDD, the G5 (if Target mode entered) > would see the MDD's first (only?) hard drive. You could then > inspect the drive to see what was on it and (possibly) run repairs > with Disk Utility, DiskWarrior, TechTool, Drive Genius, etc. This, > of course, does not permit checking the logic board or RAM of the > MDD, and even if hard drive access and repairs were possible, the > MDD may still not boot if there is a logic board or RAM problem. > Just a thought. > Jay > > Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macguy47@gmail.com PowerMac G5 1.8 Single (wefixmacs build) 3 gb ram,(1) 160gbhd, (1) 400gbhd, APC 1200 ups, canon 8600f scanner, Brother HL1440 printer, Dell e228wfp monitor Recently acquired: G4 MDD Dual 1.25 (2003) with problems :-) From jekrauss at charter.net Tue Nov 6 11:11:05 2007 From: jekrauss at charter.net (Jay E. Krauss Jr) Date: Tue Nov 6 11:11:19 2007 Subject: [G4] Startup chime but no dice! In-Reply-To: <9A990C9E-ABAE-41C9-86AD-050674B2162E@gmail.com> References: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> <1194332787.10599.4.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> <9A990C9E-ABAE-41C9-86AD-050674B2162E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jeff, You only need the keyboard attached to the MDD while actually booting, so you could disconnect your keyboard from the G5, attach it to the MDD, boot the MDD into Firewire Target, then disconnect the keyboard from the MDD and reattach to the G5. Since you don't have "video out" from the MDD, you will not be able to tell by seeing the Firewire symbol on your MDD attached monitor when the process has occurred; however, it has been my experience that the process occurs fairly quickly, so if you boot the MDD and keep the "T" button depressed for a minute, that should be more than enough time for the process to occur (providing it does at all). Jay >Jay, great stuff here.. so stupid, I should've thought about >firewire disk mode.. man!.. hey, can I FDM with only one mouse >keyboard attached to my G5? don't have one yet for the G4... yes >only one drive in the mdd.. Jeff >On Nov 6, 2007, at 10:44 AM, Jay E. Krauss Jr wrote: > >>Jeff, >> The MDD is designed to start up in Firewire Target mode. >>Since your G5 has Firewire, you could attempt to boot the MDD with >>"T" depressed (presuming some message gets from the keyboard to the >>MDD's "innards"). I'm not sure how much of the MDD's logic board, >>RAM. etc is required to get into Firewire Target mode, but even if >>there is no video from the MDD, the G5 (if Target mode entered) >>would see the MDD's first (only?) hard drive. You could then >>inspect the drive to see what was on it and (possibly) run repairs >>with Disk Utility, DiskWarrior, TechTool, Drive Genius, etc. This, >>of course, does not permit checking the logic board or RAM of the >>MDD, and even if hard drive access and repairs were possible, the >>MDD may still not boot if there is a logic board or RAM problem. >> Just a thought. >>Jay >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> > >Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle >Kamiah, Idaho 83536 >macguy47@gmail.com > >PowerMac G5 1.8 Single (wefixmacs build) 3 gb ram,(1) 160gbhd, (1) >400gbhd, APC 1200 ups, canon 8600f scanner, Brother HL1440 printer, >Dell e228wfp monitor > >Recently acquired: G4 MDD Dual 1.25 (2003) with problems :-) > > > >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From macguy47 at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 12:20:04 2007 From: macguy47 at gmail.com (Daile Engle) Date: Tue Nov 6 12:17:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Startup chime but no dice! In-Reply-To: References: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> <1194332787.10599.4.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> <9A990C9E-ABAE-41C9-86AD-050674B2162E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53061A0C-EAE2-45A5-A588-C7F53F8638F9@gmail.com> Ok,.. well FDM wasn't possible.. looks like firewire and USB are toast.. I did take the HD out and there's a fresh install of tiger on it, that's it. Anybody got a logic board? Jeff On Nov 6, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Jay E. Krauss Jr wrote: > Jeff, > You only need the keyboard attached to the MDD while actually > booting, so you could disconnect your keyboard from the G5, attach > it to the MDD, boot the MDD into Firewire Target, then disconnect > the keyboard from the MDD and reattach to the G5. Since you don't > have "video out" from the MDD, you will not be able to tell by > seeing the Firewire symbol on your MDD attached monitor when the > process has occurred; however, it has been my experience that the > process occurs fairly quickly, so if you boot the MDD and keep the > "T" button depressed for a minute, that should be more than enough > time for the process to occur (providing it does at all). > Jay > > > Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macguy47@gmail.com PowerMac G5 1.8 Single (wefixmacs build) 3 gb ram,(1) 160gbhd, (1) 400gbhd, APC 1200 ups, canon 8600f scanner, Brother HL1440 printer, Dell e228wfp monitor Recently acquired: G4 MDD Dual 1.25 (2003) with problems :-) From macguy47 at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 12:51:41 2007 From: macguy47 at gmail.com (Daile Engle) Date: Tue Nov 6 12:49:00 2007 Subject: [G4] Startup chime but no dice! In-Reply-To: References: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> <1194332787.10599.4.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> <9A990C9E-ABAE-41C9-86AD-050674B2162E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <034C055B-35CF-41F1-A7CB-E1F4EB9C6F49@gmail.com> Next?... ok, now that I've come to the conclusion that it's the logic board, where to find one? and which one? I'd like the 166mhz system bus and 2 mb level 3 cache... (as close to the original specs as possible) is there a number on the board that's in it now that I can give to identify the exact board I need? Jeff On Nov 6, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Jay E. Krauss Jr wrote: > Jeff, > You only need the keyboard attached to the MDD while actually > booting, so you could disconnect your keyboard from the G5, attach > it to the MDD, boot the MDD into Firewire Target, then disconnect > the keyboard from the MDD and reattach to the G5. Since you don't > have "video out" from the MDD, you will not be able to tell by > seeing the Firewire symbol on your MDD attached monitor when the > process has occurred; however, it has been my experience that the > process occurs fairly quickly, so if you boot the MDD and keep the > "T" button depressed for a minute, that should be more than enough > time for the process to occur (providing it does at all). > Jay > > > > Jeff & (my wife)Daile Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macguy47@gmail.com PowerMac G5 1.8 Single (wefixmacs build) 3 gb ram,(1) 160gbhd, (1) 400gbhd, APC 1200 ups, canon 8600f scanner, Brother HL1440 printer, Dell e228wfp monitor Recently acquired: G4 MDD Dual 1.25 (2003) with problems :-) From fsudore at mac.com Wed Nov 7 04:38:45 2007 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Wed Nov 7 04:38:51 2007 Subject: [G4] Leopard /GeForce4 Ti 4600 In-Reply-To: References: <00694CC2-EDFF-40A7-A96F-C46FFC03BAB6@gmail.com> <1194332787.10599.4.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> Message-ID: > I have a MDD 1.4 running a new 20" Cinema on the DVI side and a 20" > 0n the ADC side. Since upgrading to leopard the newer one on the DVI > side blinks out. I re-seated the card and changed the power supply > on the monitor but no luck. Also turned off the energy/screen saver. > Anybody have a idea? Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 PS Sorry for TOP POSTING on a topic. From dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 16:23:48 2007 From: dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com (c m) Date: Thu Nov 8 16:23:59 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade Message-ID: <276745.91273.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> can I upgrade the processor in my G4 APG 400MHz to a dual processor? here is my system profile: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 400 MHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB Memory: 1.5 GB Bus Speed: 100 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 Serial Number: XA0091A2HSE Sales Order Number: M7641LL/A __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From richspk at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 18:23:34 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Nov 8 18:23:38 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <276745.91273.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <276745.91273.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30711081823o1917a7eax3bdbb17839d2228e@mail.gmail.com> Is that the right serial number? Apple's website doesn't recognize it. Anyway, according to these specs, your G4 wasn't available from the factory with dual processors: http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/Power_Mac_G4_AGP.html That doesn't mean your Mac can't use dual processors from another model, but I don't know. You can certainly use aftermarket dual processors from companies like Sonnet and Powerlogix. http://macsales.com/ is a good place to start looking, though there are other good sources. -- Rich On Nov 8, 2007 7:23 PM, c m wrote: > can I upgrade the processor in my G4 APG 400MHz to a > dual processor? > > here is my system profile: > > Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) > Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) > Number Of CPUs: 1 > CPU Speed: 400 MHz > L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB > Memory: 1.5 GB > Bus Speed: 100 MHz > Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 > Serial Number: XA0091A2HSE > Sales Order Number: M7641LL/A From jomph at xs4all.nl Thu Nov 8 18:55:16 2007 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Thu Nov 8 18:55:27 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30711081823o1917a7eax3bdbb17839d2228e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 09-11-2007 03:23, Richard Klein, richspk@gmail.com, wrote: > Is that the right serial number? Apple's website doesn't recognize it. Checking the serial number will give: Serial number: XA0091A2HSE Name: Power Macintosh G4 (AGP Graphics) Model: M7641 PowerMac G4 400MHz Bus speed: 100MHz Factory: XA (ElkGrove/Sacramento, California) URL: Technical specifications by apple-history.com code_to_number: 1A2 - W872374CX94 Model introduced: 1999 Production year: 2000 Production week: 09 (March) Production number: 1498 (within this week) HTH, Jo Hissel From richspk at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 19:02:11 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Nov 8 19:02:28 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <69ce86c30711081823o1917a7eax3bdbb17839d2228e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30711081902m56e9067ci23e126ddc2a18796@mail.gmail.com> Interesting. The serial number works at Chipmunk's Klantenservice: http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html but not if you go to this page at Apple: http://support.apple.com/specs/ and type the serial number into the box that says "Find by Serial Number". -- Rich On Nov 8, 2007 9:55 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: > On 09-11-2007 03:23, Richard Klein, richspk@gmail.com, wrote: > > > Is that the right serial number? Apple's website doesn't recognize it. > > Checking the serial number will give: > > Serial number: XA0091A2HSE > Name: Power Macintosh G4 (AGP Graphics) > Model: M7641 PowerMac G4 400MHz > Bus speed: 100MHz > Factory: XA (ElkGrove/Sacramento, California) > URL: Technical specifications by apple-history.com code_to_number: 1A2 - > W872374CX94 > > Model introduced: 1999 > Production year: 2000 > Production week: 09 (March) > Production number: 1498 (within this week) From wayne at troutnc.com Thu Nov 8 19:51:23 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Thu Nov 8 19:53:25 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <276745.91273.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <276745.91273.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4733D93B.1080203@troutnc.com> c m wrote: > can I upgrade the processor in my G4 APG 400MHz to a > dual processor? > > here is my system profile: > > Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) > Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) > Number Of CPUs: 1 > CPU Speed: 400 MHz > L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB > Memory: 1.5 GB > Bus Speed: 100 MHz > Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 > Serial Number: XA0091A2HSE > Sales Order Number: M7641LL/A > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > macsales.com addresses this question in their processor upgrade section. -- Regards, Wayne Clodfelter From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com Thu Nov 8 20:04:33 2007 From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (Richard Northouse) Date: Thu Nov 8 20:04:52 2007 Subject: [G4] Quicksilver Upgrade In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30711081823o1917a7eax3bdbb17839d2228e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200711090357.lA93v5FU029916@ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com> Hi Guys/Gals, I have a Quicksilver 2001 ( 733Mhz, 1.25 Gbyte, several drives). I am thinking that I want to run Leopard but need to pick up the CPU speed. I have looked at several sites for these upgrades. However they offer different sized cache and memories. I am really confused. Please help me out; a) Does Leopard use a dual processor?? I don't mean will the various apps take advantage of the dual, does Leopard itself use it? i.e. will my system run better with a dual? b) What size L2 and L3 cache do I want? c) Vendor -- Sonnet, OMC, etc Which vendor? What is the best upgrade ? d) Do I need to upgrade my video from what came with my Quicksilver? And if I do, what is the best? Thanks much for your help, Rich No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: 11/8/2007 9:29 AM From senseamp at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 20:15:34 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Thu Nov 8 20:15:39 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <276745.91273.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <735328.35152.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If possible it's worth doing if you are running OSX. But you must have a recent version of the Uni North Asic chip on your motherboard. Go here: http://newertech.com/tech_support/uni-north.php and run this software to check. If your revision is up to it then fitting a dual 450 or 500 module is easy. I have upgraded a couple of gigabit G4's to dual 450's and like the result. However my work AGP 350 could not go dual so I removed the optical ATA bus connector and fitted it with a overclocked 800MHz QS single (this requires some soldering). Works great! BTW the optical drive plugs into the main ATA bus instead, and I use SCSI drives via an ATTO pci card for storage. It's running Tiger, MS Office, and X11 to connect to unix boxes. I prefer it to the DULL laptop the company supplies me with. Mostly seems faster also. --- c m wrote: > can I upgrade the processor in my G4 APG 400MHz to a > dual processor? > > here is my system profile: > > Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) > Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) > Number Of CPUs: 1 > CPU Speed: 400 MHz > L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB > Memory: 1.5 GB > Bus Speed: 100 MHz > Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 > Serial Number: XA0091A2HSE > Sales Order Number: M7641LL/A > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net Thu Nov 8 20:20:41 2007 From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net) Date: Thu Nov 8 20:20:50 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Startup chime but no dice! In-Reply-To: <20071109030226.8F9C21C8C816@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071109030226.8F9C21C8C816@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Jeff Engle wrote: >ok, now that I've come to the conclusion that it's the >logic board, where to find one? and which one? I'd like >the 166mhz system bus and 2 mb level 3 cache... Check out the info here: http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Power-Mac-G4-Logic-Boards-c-245_494.html&pltid=5c607041734d180f5d4d190593ea6ea6 or, for short: http://tinyurl.com/2luemx Expect to pay at least $125 for a 166 MHz mobo. I think you'll find the L3 RAM on the processor board. (On high-level units it may even be on the CPU die.) From dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 20:35:44 2007 From: dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com (c m) Date: Thu Nov 8 20:35:49 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <729029.82535.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com> that serial number is what shows up in my system profiler --- "J.M.P.Hissel" wrote: > On 09-11-2007 03:23, Richard Klein, > richspk@gmail.com, wrote: > > > Is that the right serial number? Apple's website > doesn't recognize it. > > Checking the serial number will give: > > Serial number: XA0091A2HSE > Name: Power Macintosh G4 (AGP Graphics) > Model: M7641 PowerMac G4 400MHz > Bus speed: 100MHz > Factory: XA (ElkGrove/Sacramento, California) > URL: Technical specifications by apple-history.com > code_to_number: 1A2 - > W872374CX94 > > Model introduced: 1999 > Production year: 2000 > Production week: 09 (March) > Production number: 1498 (within this week) > > HTH, > > Jo Hissel > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 21:22:34 2007 From: dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com (c m) Date: Thu Nov 8 21:22:48 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <735328.35152.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <151106.32015.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> after I download that patch my PhotoShop CS always tries to open it and fails. --- John Niven wrote: > If possible it's worth doing if you are running OSX. > But you must have a recent version of the Uni North > Asic chip on your motherboard. Go here: > > http://newertech.com/tech_support/uni-north.php > > and run this software to check. If your revision is > up > to it then fitting a dual 450 or 500 module is easy. > > > I have upgraded a couple of gigabit G4's to dual > 450's > and like the result. However my work AGP 350 could > not > go dual so I removed the optical ATA bus connector > and > fitted it with a overclocked 800MHz QS single (this > requires some soldering). Works great! BTW the > optical > drive plugs into the main ATA bus instead, and I use > SCSI drives via an ATTO pci card for storage. It's > running Tiger, MS Office, and X11 to connect to unix > boxes. I prefer it to the DULL laptop the company > supplies me with. Mostly seems faster also. > > --- c m wrote: > > > can I upgrade the processor in my G4 APG 400MHz to > a > > dual processor? > > > > here is my system profile: > > > > Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) > > Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 > > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) > > Number Of CPUs: 1 > > CPU Speed: 400 MHz > > L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB > > Memory: 1.5 GB > > Bus Speed: 100 MHz > > Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 > > Serial Number: XA0091A2HSE > > Sales Order Number: M7641LL/A > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nagable at comcast.net Thu Nov 8 21:24:12 2007 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Thu Nov 8 21:24:17 2007 Subject: [G4] Quicksilver Upgrade Message-ID: <110920070524.12029.4733EEFC000D269600002EFD22165499760A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Please help me out; > > a) Does Leopard use a dual processor?? I don't mean will the various apps > take advantage of the dual, does Leopard itself use it? i.e. will my system > run better with a dual? It will run much, much faster. > b) What size L2 and L3 cache do I want? That depends on what comes with your new processor. I don't think it makes much difference. > c) Vendor -- Sonnet, OMC, etc Which vendor? What is the best upgrade ? I have a Sonnet dual 1.8 GHz in my Quicksilver 2002. i'm very happy, but it cost $600.00 from macsales.com. > d) Do I need to upgrade my video from what came with my Quicksilver? And if > I do, what is the best? I didn't. Nate From arricam at 295.ca Fri Nov 9 03:52:39 2007 From: arricam at 295.ca (arricam@295.ca) Date: Fri Nov 9 03:52:51 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: RAM Question-G4Ever In-Reply-To: <20071109030226.7B0A81C8C815@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071109030226.7B0A81C8C815@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <49153.208.72.122.190.1194609159.squirrel@mail.295.ca> How quick will 4 GB Ram, make for applications. ie: Photoshop, FCP,etc. Cheers G4Ever From richspk at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 04:31:23 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Fri Nov 9 04:31:28 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: RAM Question-G4Ever In-Reply-To: <49153.208.72.122.190.1194609159.squirrel@mail.295.ca> References: <20071109030226.7B0A81C8C815@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <49153.208.72.122.190.1194609159.squirrel@mail.295.ca> Message-ID: <69ce86c30711090431p3a5d0a5br51870810c7568d6a@mail.gmail.com> In my experience, there are diminishing returns as you keep adding RAM. On Windows and Linux computers, I don't notice much difference when going beyond 2GB. Is there a G4 that can take 4GB of RAM? I thought most of them were limited to 1.5GB, with a single model accepting up to 2GB. I'm not familiar with the MDD models, though. -- Rich On Nov 9, 2007 6:52 AM, wrote: > How quick will 4 GB Ram, make for applications. > ie: Photoshop, FCP,etc. From senseamp at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 05:38:07 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Fri Nov 9 05:38:11 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <151106.32015.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <741764.71435.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's not a patch. It doesn't change or fix anything. It's an application that checks if your machine can run a dual processor. It's downloaded as UniNorthAISCChecker.sit which is a compressed stuffit file. After unstuffing it's UniNorthAISCChecker.app application file. Click on the downloaded file, go to "get info" in the file menu and then change "open with" so it opens with stuffit. --- c m wrote: > after I download that patch my PhotoShop CS always > tries to open it and fails. > > --- John Niven wrote: > > > If possible it's worth doing if you are running > OSX. > > But you must have a recent version of the Uni > North > > Asic chip on your motherboard. Go here: > > > > http://newertech.com/tech_support/uni-north.php > > > > and run this software to check. If your revision > is > > up > > to it then fitting a dual 450 or 500 module is > easy. > > > > > > I have upgraded a couple of gigabit G4's to dual > > 450's > > and like the result. However my work AGP 350 could > > not > > go dual so I removed the optical ATA bus connector > > and > > fitted it with a overclocked 800MHz QS single > (this > > requires some soldering). Works great! BTW the > > optical > > drive plugs into the main ATA bus instead, and I > use > > SCSI drives via an ATTO pci card for storage. It's > > running Tiger, MS Office, and X11 to connect to > unix > > boxes. I prefer it to the DULL laptop the company > > supplies me with. Mostly seems faster also. > > > > --- c m wrote: > > > > > can I upgrade the processor in my G4 APG 400MHz > to > > a > > > dual processor? > > > > > > here is my system profile: > > > > > > Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) > > > Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 > > > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) > > > Number Of CPUs: 1 > > > CPU Speed: 400 MHz > > > L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB > > > Memory: 1.5 GB > > > Bus Speed: 100 MHz > > > Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 > > > Serial Number: XA0091A2HSE > > > Sales Order Number: M7641LL/A > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > G4 mailing list > > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From senseamp at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 05:53:57 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Fri Nov 9 05:54:07 2007 Subject: [G4] Quicksilver Upgrade In-Reply-To: <110920070524.12029.4733EEFC000D269600002EFD22165499760A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Message-ID: <308221.34393.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- nagable@comcast.net wrote: > > b) What size L2 and L3 cache do I want? > > That depends on what comes with your new processor. > I don't think it makes much difference. Everything else being equal, cache size is very important. The bigger the better. Especially when upgrading a machine with slower memory bus to a faster cpu. Caches act as temporary stores for the data that the cpu is currently working on. They are much faster than the main RAM, which is in turn much faster than the hard drive. So data/programs come from the hard drive to the RAM, then to the caches (L3 first then L2). The reason for L3 is that L2 started being built on the cpu chip because it's faster, but you couldn't build so much of it, so that L3 (on the cpu module) was introduced. As an example, my AGP 350 had 1Mb L2 on the cpu module. I replaced the module with a 800MHz QS one, which has 256Kb L2 (on chip) and no L3. It's still faster (because of the cpu speed) but would probably be even faster if it had an L3 cache. So it's really hard to say what's best but I would always go for a bigger cache. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From senseamp at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 06:03:01 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Fri Nov 9 06:03:25 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: RAM Question-G4Ever In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30711090431p3a5d0a5br51870810c7568d6a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <486396.77615.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> There are physical and software restrictions. Earlier G4's (AGP, Gigabit) have four ram slots, so nowadays you could put in 2Gb, but only if you use osx. os9 had a 1.5Gb s/w limit. Later G4's only had 3 ram slots. So using 3 X 512Mb dimms would mean a limit of 1.5Gb. I don't know if you could put bigger dimms in, but that would limit you to 3Gb I would have thought. I find 1Gb is enough. In the classic days a speed-up technique was to add more memory and turn off virtual memory (hard drive based). You cannot do that with OSX. Maybe it does it automatically? --- Richard Klein wrote: > In my experience, there are diminishing returns as > you keep adding > RAM. On Windows and Linux computers, I don't notice > much difference > when going beyond 2GB. Is there a G4 that can take > 4GB of RAM? I > thought most of them were limited to 1.5GB, with a > single model > accepting up to 2GB. I'm not familiar with the MDD > models, though. > > -- > Rich > > On Nov 9, 2007 6:52 AM, wrote: > > How quick will 4 GB Ram, make for applications. > > ie: Photoshop, FCP,etc. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From harry at gifutiger.com Fri Nov 9 09:11:18 2007 From: harry at gifutiger.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Nov 9 09:11:25 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: RAM Question-G4Ever In-Reply-To: <49153.208.72.122.190.1194609159.squirrel@mail.295.ca> References: <20071109030226.7B0A81C8C815@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <49153.208.72.122.190.1194609159.squirrel@mail.295.ca> Message-ID: <3aec4c2e007607c50f4228eab7dd8a9f@gifutiger.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) Open your "Activity Monitor" application and see if you are running out of RAM by clicking on the "System Memory" tab. If it shows that you are getting low on "Free" memory then additional ram may be helpful. ============================================ On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:52 AM, arricam@295.ca wrote: > How quick will 4 GB Ram, make for applications. > ie: Photoshop, FCP,etc. > > Cheers > > G4Ever > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From alpoulin at cox.net Fri Nov 9 12:39:02 2007 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Fri Nov 9 12:39:09 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Quicksilver Upgrade In-Reply-To: <20071109133821.4750D1CA1484@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071109133821.4750D1CA1484@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <9ce270bf7a46d12630ffbe1b5dff335d@cox.net> On Nov 9, 2007, at 8:38 AM, g4-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: First, the original poster said: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:04:33 -0600 > From: "Richard Northouse" > > I have a Quicksilver 2001 ( 733Mhz, 1.25 Gbyte, several drives). I am > thinking that I want to run Leopard but need to pick up the CPU speed. > > I have looked at several sites for these upgrades. However they offer > different sized cache and memories. I am really confused. > > Please help me out; SNIP, THEN: > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:24:12 +0000 > From: nagable@comcast.net > Please help me out; >> >> a) Does Leopard use a dual processor?? I don't mean will the various >> apps >> take advantage of the dual, does Leopard itself use it? i.e. will my >> system >> run better with a dual? > > It will run much, much faster. > >> b) What size L2 and L3 cache do I want? > > That depends on what comes with your new processor. I don't think it > makes much difference. > >> c) Vendor -- Sonnet, OMC, etc Which vendor? What is the best >> upgrade ? > > I have a Sonnet dual 1.8 GHz in my Quicksilver 2002. i'm very happy, > but it cost $600.00 from macsales.com. > >> d) Do I need to upgrade my video from what came with my Quicksilver? >> And if >> I do, what is the best? > > I didn't. > > Nate I have the same QS 733, same memory, and two drives. I've decided to leave it alone and to get Leopard on a new machine. Also, the Leopard installer, as I understand it, checks some Apple data buried in the machine which identifies the original CPU in that machine. Even with an upgraded CPU, the installer will balk at the data about the original CPU and refuse to install. Perhaps folks have found a hack or two around this impediment. You'd have to find out and use it. Assuming you see a clear path ahead, you need to upgrade the video to get best advantage of Leopard. The specific technologies are called Quartz Extreme and Core Image. There is a lot of info about them on the web, and they matter for some people, depending on what kinds of things they do with their machines, like graphics intensive things and games. There was a long thread with your kinds of questions on another list last month, "Prep-ping for Leopard." You can see it in the list archives at: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/browse_thread/thread/ def1ad85fafed422?hl=en I am sending the original poster my own archived copy. After calculating the costs of upgrading an old G4 whose parts have gone beyond half their lives, and considering that there is no way for it to match the performance of the new Intel Macs, I wonder what factors end up playing in a favorable decision for the upgrade. If you have a decent monitor that you want to keep, consider the new Mac Mini models. Also, the iMac replaces most old monitors very nicely. Al Poulin From richspk at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 13:09:42 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Fri Nov 9 13:09:32 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Quicksilver Upgrade In-Reply-To: <9ce270bf7a46d12630ffbe1b5dff335d@cox.net> Message-ID: <006601c82314$d98c5570$6b1016ac@cytyc.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf > Of Al Poulin > > Also, the Leopard installer, as I understand it, checks some > Apple data buried in the machine which identifies the > original CPU in that machine. Even with an upgraded CPU, the > installer will balk at the > data about the original CPU and refuse to install. Perhaps > folks have > found a hack or two around this impediment. You'd have to > find out and use it. A recent email from OWC said specifically that Leopard installs fine on G4 systems with upgraded CPUs. I'll let the list know if I try it myself. Actually, my original CPU was/is a 933MHz G4, which Leopard supports, so I guess that wouldn't tell you anything. -- Rich From dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 16:47:04 2007 From: dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com (c m) Date: Fri Nov 9 16:47:14 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <741764.71435.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <687250.3893.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> thanks for all the help. I restarted my mac in OS 9.2 and checked there. my G4 is UNI-N 7 so its dual processor upgrade for me!! --- John Niven wrote: > It's not a patch. It doesn't change or fix anything. > It's an application that checks if your machine can > run a dual processor. > > It's downloaded as UniNorthAISCChecker.sit which is > a > compressed stuffit file. After unstuffing it's > UniNorthAISCChecker.app application file. > > Click on the downloaded file, go to "get info" in > the > file menu and then change "open with" so it opens > with > stuffit. > > > --- c m wrote: > > > after I download that patch my PhotoShop CS always > > tries to open it and fails. > > > > --- John Niven wrote: > > > > > If possible it's worth doing if you are running > > OSX. > > > But you must have a recent version of the Uni > > North > > > Asic chip on your motherboard. Go here: > > > > > > http://newertech.com/tech_support/uni-north.php > > > > > > and run this software to check. If your revision > > is > > > up > > > to it then fitting a dual 450 or 500 module is > > easy. > > > > > > > > > I have upgraded a couple of gigabit G4's to dual > > > 450's > > > and like the result. However my work AGP 350 > could > > > not > > > go dual so I removed the optical ATA bus > connector > > > and > > > fitted it with a overclocked 800MHz QS single > > (this > > > requires some soldering). Works great! BTW the > > > optical > > > drive plugs into the main ATA bus instead, and I > > use > > > SCSI drives via an ATTO pci card for storage. > It's > > > running Tiger, MS Office, and X11 to connect to > > unix > > > boxes. I prefer it to the DULL laptop the > company > > > supplies me with. Mostly seems faster also. > > > > > > --- c m wrote: > > > > > > > can I upgrade the processor in my G4 APG > 400MHz > > to > > > a > > > > dual processor? > > > > > > > > here is my system profile: > > > > > > > > Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) > > > > Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 > > > > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) > > > > Number Of CPUs: 1 > > > > CPU Speed: 400 MHz > > > > L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB > > > > Memory: 1.5 GB > > > > Bus Speed: 100 MHz > > > > Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1 > > > > Serial Number: XA0091A2HSE > > > > Sales Order Number: M7641LL/A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > G4 mailing list > > > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > > > > > > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > G4 mailing list > > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From senseamp at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 18:15:39 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Fri Nov 9 18:15:46 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <687250.3893.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <609188.37007.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Well I should make it clear that OS 9 does NOT use both cpu. When first introduced the duals were only an advantage when you used dual cpu aware applications. Photoshop and Protools etc. There used to be a lot of discussion about dual v's a faster single. That will still be the case. However OSX does use both processors and so two will always be a benefit. You can turn on activity monitor and see the load on both cpu's as they share the tasks. A dual 500 just sold on eBay for around $36! --- c m wrote: > thanks for all the help. I restarted my mac in OS > 9.2 > and checked there. my G4 is UNI-N 7 so its dual > processor upgrade for me!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 18:43:34 2007 From: dachamp_11226 at yahoo.com (c m) Date: Fri Nov 9 18:43:43 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <609188.37007.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <780826.74317.qm@web56110.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have to HD in my G4. one has the original OS9.2 and the other has OS 10.4 I have a budget of ~$400....I figure if i am going to spend it why not on something higher than dual 500MHz..... --- John Niven wrote: > Well I should make it clear that OS 9 does NOT use > both cpu. When first introduced the duals were only > an > advantage when you used dual cpu aware applications. > Photoshop and Protools etc. There used to be a lot > of > discussion about dual v's a faster single. That will > still be the case. > > However OSX does use both processors and so two will > always be a benefit. You can turn on activity > monitor > and see the load on both cpu's as they share the > tasks. > > A dual 500 just sold on eBay for around $36! > > > --- c m wrote: > > > thanks for all the help. I restarted my mac in OS > > 9.2 > > and checked there. my G4 is UNI-N 7 so its dual > > processor upgrade for me!! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From senseamp at yahoo.com Fri Nov 9 18:59:46 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Fri Nov 9 18:59:53 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 APG graphics CPU upgrade In-Reply-To: <780826.74317.qm@web56110.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <135245.39345.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Frankly if your budget is $400 then I'd go buy a whole new mac! There is more to speed than cpu frequency. Faster memory bus, faster HD interfaces. Lot's of people do, but I say don't spend that much on a cpu upgrade, sell your machine, and buy a later model. --- c m wrote: > I have to HD in my G4. one has the original OS9.2 > and the other has OS 10.4 > I have a budget of ~$400....I figure if i am going > to > spend it why not on something higher than dual > 500MHz..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From fsudore at mac.com Sat Nov 10 05:17:00 2007 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Sat Nov 10 05:15:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Dual Monitor Leopard Issue In-Reply-To: <741764.71435.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <741764.71435.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>> I have a MDD 1.45 G-4 with a nVidia gForce 4600 with a 20' newer cinema display on the DVI side and an older 20 inch Apple on the ADC side. Wen I upgraded to Leopard the newer monitor on the DVI side will all of the sudden start to get static and then go black. I turned off all energy settings and it still does it. I re-sat the card and also zapped P-ram. Nothing. Booted into Tiger and the problem goes away. ANY IDEAS? FS Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071110/3a3bdeff/attachment.html From arricam at 295.ca Sat Nov 10 06:22:05 2007 From: arricam at 295.ca (arricam@295.ca) Date: Sat Nov 10 06:22:14 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS-Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: <20071110024355.69E461CBA256@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071110024355.69E461CBA256@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <49153.208.72.122.173.1194704525.squirrel@mail.295.ca> Lots of talk about Leopard OS. Is there any hidden surprises? Ex. Any Brand of Printers excluded from this new software, or other applications. Cheers G4ever From obgraph at hiwaay.net Sat Nov 10 08:02:03 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Sat Nov 10 08:02:16 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS-Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: <49153.208.72.122.173.1194704525.squirrel@mail.295.ca> References: <20071110024355.69E461CBA256@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <49153.208.72.122.173.1194704525.squirrel@mail.295.ca> Message-ID: <20071110100203.888188.ac902104@hiwaay.net> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:22:05 -0500 (EST), arricam@295.ca wrote: > Lots of talk about Leopard OS. > Is there any hidden surprises? As I understand, Leopard won't run well on less than a 1gHz G4. There's been a LOT of discussion on the OSX group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macosx-support/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From glennsan at mac.com Sat Nov 10 08:13:05 2007 From: glennsan at mac.com (Glenn Peterson) Date: Sat Nov 10 08:13:22 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS-Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: <20071110100203.888188.ac902104@hiwaay.net> References: <20071110024355.69E461CBA256@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <49153.208.72.122.173.1194704525.squirrel@mail.295.ca> <20071110100203.888188.ac902104@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <57830930-455F-46EE-9EFC-C0C665A3C541@mac.com> Minor correction, I believe it actually is an 867 mhz machine. Glenn My wife is a digital diva She is living the iLife On Nov 10, 2007, at 8:02 AM, O'Brien wrote: > On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:22:05 -0500 (EST), arricam@295.ca wrote: >> Lots of talk about Leopard OS. >> Is there any hidden surprises? > > As I understand, Leopard won't run well on less than a 1gHz G4. > > There's been a LOT of discussion on the OSX group: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macosx-support/ > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From michael at wbsnet.org Sat Nov 10 10:30:02 2007 From: michael at wbsnet.org (R Michael Vogt) Date: Sat Nov 10 10:31:03 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS-Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: <57830930-455F-46EE-9EFC-C0C665A3C541@mac.com> References: <20071110024355.69E461CBA256@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <49153.208.72.122.173.1194704525.squirrel@mail.295.ca> <20071110100203.888188.ac902104@hiwaay.net> <57830930-455F-46EE-9EFC-C0C665A3C541@mac.com> Message-ID: <12C0624B-1715-46C2-A55D-212100F2915F@wbsnet.org> I put 10.5 on my my G4 laptop its a 800 MHz but I had to put it in Target mode to do it but works just fine on it so go for it if you have anther CPU that can run 10.5 then put other G4 in target mode Mike On Nov 10, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Glenn Peterson wrote: > Minor correction, I believe it actually is an 867 mhz machine. > > Glenn > > > My wife is a digital diva > She is living the iLife > > > On Nov 10, 2007, at 8:02 AM, O'Brien wrote: > >> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:22:05 -0500 (EST), arricam@295.ca wrote: >>> Lots of talk about Leopard OS. >>> Is there any hidden surprises? >> >> As I understand, Leopard won't run well on less than a 1gHz G4. >> >> There's been a LOT of discussion on the OSX group: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macosx-support/ >> >> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> O'Brien >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 10 10:37:36 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick Ramsowr) Date: Sat Nov 10 10:37:46 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display FLAT ADC CRT Monitor Message-ID: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> Morning All I'm in need of a manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display Flat Screen ADC CRT Monitor... The last great CRT based Display Monitor sold by Apple under the Apple Brand... it's the one with the clear housing! This is not a LCD... it uses Apple's ADC Connector (power & signal down the same cable... and comes with two (2) Port USB Hub... * Apple Model Number: M7768 * Tube Size: 17" * Viewable Size: 16" VIS * Tube Type: CRT * Dimensions (in): 18.9 H x 16.5 W x 16.9 D * DPI .25 For the life of me I can find anything manual or otherwise on Apple's web site... so what do I do I go to my tried and true resource... you guys! Yours Rich therepguy Houston From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Sat Nov 10 10:53:13 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Sat Nov 10 10:54:14 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display FLAT ADC CRT Monitor In-Reply-To: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> References: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Very easy to find at Apple. Paul Moortgat On 10 Nov 2007, at 19:37, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > Morning All > > I'm in need of a manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display > Flat Screen ADC CRT Monitor... > > The last great CRT based Display Monitor sold by Apple under the > Apple Brand... it's the one with the clear housing! > > This is not a LCD... it uses Apple's ADC Connector (power & signal > down the same cable... and comes with two (2) Port USB Hub... > > * Apple Model Number: M7768 > * Tube Size: 17" > * Viewable Size: 16" VIS > * Tube Type: CRT > * Dimensions (in): 18.9 H x 16.5 W x 16.9 D > * DPI .25 > > For the life of me I can find anything manual or otherwise on > Apple's web site... so what do I do I go to my tried and true > resource... you guys! > > Yours > > Rich therepguy > Houston > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 10 10:58:57 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick Ramsowr) Date: Sat Nov 10 10:59:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display FLAT ADC CRT Monitor In-Reply-To: References: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <6537193C-AC02-458B-B759-05FE48A162F9@sbcglobal.net> thanks Paul but it's the wrong display... my came after that one... Rick >>>>>> On Nov 10, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Paul Moortgat wrote: Very easy to find at Apple. Paul Moortgat On 10 Nov 2007, at 19:37, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > Morning All > > I'm in need of a manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display > Flat Screen ADC CRT Monitor... > > The last great CRT based Display Monitor sold by Apple under the > Apple Brand... it's the one with the clear housing! > > This is not a LCD... it uses Apple's ADC Connector (power & signal > down the same cable... and comes with two (2) Port USB Hub... > > * Apple Model Number: M7768 > * Tube Size: 17" > * Viewable Size: 16" VIS > * Tube Type: CRT > * Dimensions (in): 18.9 H x 16.5 W x 16.9 D > * DPI .25 > > For the life of me I can find anything manual or otherwise on > Apple's web site... so what do I do I go to my tried and true > resource... you guys! > > Yours > > Rich therepguy > Houston > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From macsys at mac.com Sat Nov 10 11:15:19 2007 From: macsys at mac.com (wilkinw) Date: Sat Nov 10 11:15:36 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display FLAT ADC CRT Monitor In-Reply-To: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> References: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Not to be picky here but a flat panel crt? On Nov 10, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > Morning All > > I'm in need of a manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display > Flat Screen ADC CRT Monitor... > > The last great CRT based Display Monitor sold by Apple under the > Apple Brand... it's the one with the clear housing! > > This is not a LCD... it uses Apple's ADC Connector (power & signal > down the same cable... and comes with two (2) Port USB Hub... > > * Apple Model Number: M7768 > * Tube Size: 17" > * Viewable Size: 16" VIS > * Tube Type: CRT > * Dimensions (in): 18.9 H x 16.5 W x 16.9 D > * DPI .25 > > For the life of me I can find anything manual or otherwise on > Apple's web site... so what do I do I go to my tried and true > resource... you guys! > > Yours > > Rich therepguy > Houston > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From richspk at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 11:20:06 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Sat Nov 10 11:20:17 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display FLAT ADC CRT Monitor In-Reply-To: References: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30711101120u164bfc28y6d9ee7940bb6e29c@mail.gmail.com> Not flat panel, flat screen (as in the glass surface). Lesser CRTs had curved screens. I seem to recall that flat screen CRTs are really curved, too, but the curve has such a large radius that it's hard to tell. The flat(ter) screen distorts the image less than a curved screen. -- Rich On Nov 10, 2007 2:15 PM, wilkinw wrote: > Not to be picky here but a flat panel crt? > > On Nov 10, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > > > Morning All > > > > I'm in need of a manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display > > Flat Screen ADC CRT Monitor... From richspk at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 11:34:21 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Sat Nov 10 11:34:44 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display FLAT ADC CRT Monitor In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30711101120u164bfc28y6d9ee7940bb6e29c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> <69ce86c30711101120u164bfc28y6d9ee7940bb6e29c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30711101134s31c20080x14fd9a1f6240e1d@mail.gmail.com> Here's a list of Apple Studio Display manuals, last updated in 2004: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=50124 One of those should cover your monitor, although none of the ones I looked at showed the clear case. The internals may be the same, regardless of the case, anyhow. -- Rich From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 10 11:36:10 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick Ramsowr) Date: Sat Nov 10 11:36:28 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display FLAT ADC CRT Monitor In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30711101120u164bfc28y6d9ee7940bb6e29c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> <69ce86c30711101120u164bfc28y6d9ee7940bb6e29c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <04FA61E0-ACF6-4C3D-80B1-A5CB5DC5A646@sbcglobal.net> Rich... your right it is flat and was marketed by both Apple & Sony as such... now all I need id the manual,,, Rick >>>>>> On Nov 10, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Richard Klein wrote: Not flat panel, flat screen (as in the glass surface). Lesser CRTs had curved screens. I seem to recall that flat screen CRTs are really curved, too, but the curve has such a large radius that it's hard to tell. The flat(ter) screen distorts the image less than a curved screen. -- Rich On Nov 10, 2007 2:15 PM, wilkinw wrote: > Not to be picky here but a flat panel crt? > > On Nov 10, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > >> Morning All >> >> I'm in need of a manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display >> Flat Screen ADC CRT Monitor... _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Sat Nov 10 15:15:14 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Sat Nov 10 15:15:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display FLAT ADC CRT Monitor In-Reply-To: <6537193C-AC02-458B-B759-05FE48A162F9@sbcglobal.net> References: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> <6537193C-AC02-458B-B759-05FE48A162F9@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: One of these? Paul Moortgat On 10 Nov 2007, at 19:58, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > thanks Paul but it's the wrong display... my came after that one... > > Rick > >>>>>> > On Nov 10, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > > Very easy to find at Apple. article.html?artnum=50124> > > Paul Moortgat > > On 10 Nov 2007, at 19:37, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > >> Morning All >> >> I'm in need of a manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display >> Flat Screen ADC CRT Monitor... >> >> The last great CRT based Display Monitor sold by Apple under the >> Apple Brand... it's the one with the clear housing! >> >> This is not a LCD... it uses Apple's ADC Connector (power & signal >> down the same cable... and comes with two (2) Port USB Hub... >> >> * Apple Model Number: M7768 >> * Tube Size: 17" >> * Viewable Size: 16" VIS >> * Tube Type: CRT >> * Dimensions (in): 18.9 H x 16.5 W x 16.9 D >> * DPI .25 >> >> For the life of me I can find anything manual or otherwise on >> Apple's web site... so what do I do I go to my tried and true >> resource... you guys! >> >> Yours >> >> Rich therepguy >> Houston >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From dancurr at frontiernet.net Sat Nov 10 18:26:13 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Sat Nov 10 18:26:55 2007 Subject: [G4] Looking for a Manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display FLAT ADC CRT Monitor In-Reply-To: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> References: <3297A4BA-224B-4497-851A-253266C02E70@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <47366845.10502@frontiernet.net> Rick Ramsowr wrote: > Morning All > > I'm in need of a manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display Flat > Screen ADC CRT Monitor... Try here!! http://home.earthlink.net/~strahm_s/manuals.html > > The last great CRT based Display Monitor sold by Apple under the > Apple Brand... it's the one with the clear housing! > > This is not a LCD... it uses Apple's ADC Connector (power & signal > down the same cable... and comes with two (2) Port USB Hub... > > * Apple Model Number: M7768 > * Tube Size: 17" > * Viewable Size: 16" VIS > * Tube Type: CRT > * Dimensions (in): 18.9 H x 16.5 W x 16.9 D > * DPI .25 > > For the life of me I can find anything manual or otherwise on Apple's > web site... so what do I do I go to my tried and true resource... you > guys! > > Yours > > Rich therepguy > Houston > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From chux at aapt.net.au Sat Nov 10 21:16:28 2007 From: chux at aapt.net.au (Charles Williams) Date: Sat Nov 10 21:18:43 2007 Subject: [G4] M7768 In-Reply-To: <20071110191536.D7C3B1CDA774@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071110191536.D7C3B1CDA774@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Hi, As docs for that model go, there's screen adjustment guidelines, and I think another one for removing the legs (?), I kept on finding these things when I was looking for a manual for my LCD ADC 17". Search terms: Studio Display 17inch ADC chx >Morning All > >I'm in need of a manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display Flat >Screen ADC CRT Monitor... -- "The question is", said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -that's all." From baltwo at san.rr.com Sat Nov 10 22:19:35 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sat Nov 10 22:21:46 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS-Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: <20071110191535.DC1521CDA760@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071110191535.DC1521CDA760@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 11/10/07, "O'Brien" wrote: > On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:22:05 -0500 (EST), arricam@295.ca wrote: >> Lots of talk about Leopard OS. >> Is there any hidden surprises? > > As I understand, Leopard won't run well on less than a 1gHz G4. > > There's been a LOT of discussion on the OSX group: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macosx-support/ You understand wrongly, then. It runs faster than 10.4.10 on my unsupported G4, 450 MP. FWIW, as noted a couple of weeks ago, I used the technigue at to modify a cloned install disk on an internal HD and external FWHD. From kathialexis at cox.net Sat Nov 10 22:23:50 2007 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Sat Nov 10 22:24:01 2007 Subject: [G4] M7768 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c8242b$6cc3e3f0$6601a8c0@GX280> Snip Hi, As docs for that model go, there's screen adjustment guidelines, and I think another one for removing the legs (?), I kept on finding these things when I was looking for a manual for my LCD ADC 17". Search terms: Studio Display 17inch ADC chx >Morning All > >I'm in need of a manual for a Apple Macintosh 17" Studio Display Flat >Screen ADC CRT Monitor... -- Snip I have a manual in pdf form. No cost. Contact me via my personal email. Kathi From obgraph at hiwaay.net Sun Nov 11 04:56:39 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Sun Nov 11 04:57:21 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS-Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: References: <20071110191535.DC1521CDA760@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <20071111065639.819844.69b82215@hiwaay.net> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:19:35 -0800, John Baltutis wrote: > You understand wrongly, then..... Well, excuse ME. I bow to your superior knowledge. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From wscott at optonline.net Sun Nov 11 06:36:39 2007 From: wscott at optonline.net (Bill Scott) Date: Sun Nov 11 06:37:05 2007 Subject: [G4] Sluggish Leopard Performance In-Reply-To: References: <20071110191535.DC1521CDA760@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <30D9BEEA-4F90-4183-8F8E-9F0E50CC1DBF@optonline.net> I am experiencing sluggish performance from my 933 mhz G4 since I upgraded. Has anyone found a solution to this problem? Leopard has finished indexing my hard drive, but still I am using all of my CPU is being used by User, instead of 3-10%, as with 10.4 (By sluggish I mean the mouse movement is not smooth and folders take longer to open than they used to. Start-up takes more than a minute.) Any suggestions? Would additonal memory make a difference? Or do I have to upgrade the CPU too? Bill From abrahambloom at verizon.net Sun Nov 11 07:18:15 2007 From: abrahambloom at verizon.net (Abraham Bloom) Date: Sun Nov 11 07:18:42 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Cube Upgrade to Leopard Message-ID: <21C72F69-55F1-45C5-A7DA-F4DA19406447@verizon.net> Good Morning, I have a G4 Cube that I have tried to upgrade to Leopard. It has a Sonnet Encore ST 1.2 Ghz Processor. It booted and ran the entire installation with nor problem. Upon completion and reboot it shows the grey screen with the apple and POWERS OFF. I have tried to load it from my Powerbook G4 1.25 ghz with the Cube in Target Disk Mode with the same results. Thoughts? The cube has 1.5 GB memory and a 120 gb Hard disk. Thanks Abraham From macsys at mac.com Sun Nov 11 07:28:05 2007 From: macsys at mac.com (wilkinw) Date: Sun Nov 11 07:28:19 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Cube Upgrade to Leopard In-Reply-To: <21C72F69-55F1-45C5-A7DA-F4DA19406447@verizon.net> References: <21C72F69-55F1-45C5-A7DA-F4DA19406447@verizon.net> Message-ID: <580A8754-81A2-43BD-9F64-7E622118D387@mac.com> Just curious, archive and install, upgrade, clean install? On Nov 11, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Abraham Bloom wrote: > Good Morning, > > I have a G4 Cube that I have tried to upgrade to Leopard. It has > a Sonnet Encore ST 1.2 Ghz Processor. It booted and ran the entire > installation with nor problem. Upon completion and reboot it shows > the grey screen with the apple and POWERS OFF. I have tried to > load it from my Powerbook G4 1.25 ghz with the Cube in Target Disk > Mode with the same results. Thoughts? The cube has 1.5 GB > memory and a 120 gb Hard disk. > > Thanks > Abraham > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From rem at meyeroff-c-c.com Sun Nov 11 08:17:05 2007 From: rem at meyeroff-c-c.com (Richard Meyeroff) Date: Sun Nov 11 08:17:16 2007 Subject: [G4] Sluggish Leopard Performance In-Reply-To: <30D9BEEA-4F90-4183-8F8E-9F0E50CC1DBF@optonline.net> References: <20071110191535.DC1521CDA760@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <30D9BEEA-4F90-4183-8F8E-9F0E50CC1DBF@optonline.net> Message-ID: How much Memory do you have? If you have less than a gig then definitely add memory! >I am experiencing sluggish performance from my 933 mhz G4 since I >upgraded. Has anyone found a solution to this problem? Leopard has >finished indexing my hard drive, but still I am using all of my CPU >is being used by User, instead of 3-10%, as with 10.4 (By sluggish >I mean the mouse movement is not smooth and folders take longer to >open than they used to. Start-up takes more than a minute.) > >Any suggestions? Would additonal memory make a difference? Or do I >have to upgrade the CPU too? > >Bill > >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -- Have a Happy and Enjoy Richard E. Meyeroff Meyeroff Computer Consultants 410-258-7503 Richard@Meyeroff-C-C.com Member Apple Consultants Network ACHDS The Answer to your Computer Questions & Needs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071111/c23e131d/attachment.html From briang113 at pacbell.net Sun Nov 11 14:48:19 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Sun Nov 11 14:48:30 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Cube Upgrade to Leopard In-Reply-To: <21C72F69-55F1-45C5-A7DA-F4DA19406447@verizon.net> References: <21C72F69-55F1-45C5-A7DA-F4DA19406447@verizon.net> Message-ID: <25BA78E0-2E2C-4B17-BFD8-74AC0BAFBD95@pacbell.net> I had the same problem with my G4 gigabit upgraded to a 1 ghz processor. After trying a reinstall and hard drive verification and repair. i than did an install on the second hard drive worked fine until I did a user transfer that back to the same problem. Ended up doing a clean install, then manually transferring applications and documents. No problems since then that was Monday, I can only assume something in the user file was corrupted. BG On Nov 11, 2007, at 7:18 AM, Abraham Bloom wrote: > Good Morning, > > I have a G4 Cube that I have tried to upgrade to Leopard. It has > a Sonnet Encore ST 1.2 Ghz Processor. It booted and ran the entire > installation with nor problem. Upon completion and reboot it shows > the grey screen with the apple and POWERS OFF. I have tried to > load it from my Powerbook G4 1.25 ghz with the Cube in Target Disk > Mode with the same results. Thoughts? The cube has 1.5 GB > memory and a 120 gb Hard disk. > > Thanks > Abraham > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From august.ham at verizon.net Sun Nov 11 15:16:15 2007 From: august.ham at verizon.net (YOUR FRIEND, CHRIS) Date: Sun Nov 11 15:16:28 2007 Subject: [G4] keep g4 or upgrade to g5? Message-ID: <19996D1A-90AC-11DC-9B5D-003065B79FCC@verizon.net> Greetings! i have a 2000 g4 450dp. i'm on a tight budget {obviously!} and trying to determine if i would be better off by upgrading it {ram, video card, 2nd hdd - and possibly processor} OR purchasing a dual 2.0 g5. the machine i'm looking at is number: M9032LL/A http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/Power_Mac_G5.html and has a radeon 9800 pro 128 card, 4.5gb ram, 250gb hd and a firewire 400 card; 10.3.x can anybody PLEASE advise me: 1- is this a good unit to choose; reliable, lack of issues, bad components etc 2- is this a wise economic decision versus uprgrading the g4; most importantly in so far as being able to carry me into the future for a good long while as the g4 has {8 years!} - and do these projected longevity gains, as well as in performance increase, justify the price difference over upgrading? as i see it, all i'll have to do is add another hdd to it which is inexpensive. i'm primarily using it for internet {ebay, burning cd's, music, videos} and very light photo editing. i just bought a copy of tiger; i've read here of some dual g5's having problems with leopard. any thoughts? 3- what is a fair price for this unit? the seller is waiting for me to make an offer; if it is within my price range, and based on feedback here a good unit i'll grab it! many many thanks in advance! chris From chux at aapt.net.au Sun Nov 11 15:46:50 2007 From: chux at aapt.net.au (Charles Williams) Date: Sun Nov 11 15:47:06 2007 Subject: [G4] Leaping Leopards! In-Reply-To: <20071111143714.82FAE1CFD3E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071111143714.82FAE1CFD3E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Perhaps we need to wait for more reports to know what the relevant factors are? Perhaps the MP optimization is really kicking in? (I'd certainly like to know whether Leopard can work satisfactorily on my slightly retarded QS/800) Regards, chx >On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:19:35 -0800, John Baltutis wrote: > > You understand wrongly, then..... > >Well, excuse ME. I bow to your superior knowledge. -- "The question is", said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -that's all." From rem at meyeroff-c-c.com Sun Nov 11 16:00:32 2007 From: rem at meyeroff-c-c.com (Richard Meyeroff) Date: Sun Nov 11 16:00:45 2007 Subject: [G4] keep g4 or upgrade to g5? In-Reply-To: <19996D1A-90AC-11DC-9B5D-003065B79FCC@verizon.net> References: <19996D1A-90AC-11DC-9B5D-003065B79FCC@verizon.net> Message-ID: Going from a G4 to G5 Gets you more than a faster CPU. You get a faster Frontside bus, ability to upgrade to more RAM, the odds that it will Run OS X.6. So if you can afford it go for the G5. I would recommend staying away for any G5 that is water cooled as they are showing problems. >Greetings! > >i have a 2000 g4 450dp. i'm on a tight budget {obviously!} and >trying to determine if i would be better off by upgrading it {ram, >video card, 2nd hdd - and possibly processor} > >OR > >purchasing a dual 2.0 g5. the machine i'm looking at is number: M9032LL/A > >http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/Power_Mac_G5.html > >and has a radeon 9800 pro 128 card, 4.5gb ram, 250gb hd and a >firewire 400 card; 10.3.x > >can anybody PLEASE advise me: > >1- is this a good unit to choose; reliable, lack of issues, bad components etc > >2- is this a wise economic decision versus uprgrading the g4; most >importantly in so far as being able to carry me into the future for >a good long while as the g4 has {8 years!} - and do these projected >longevity gains, as well as in performance increase, justify the >price difference over upgrading? as i see it, all i'll have to do is >add another hdd to it which is inexpensive. >i'm primarily using it for internet {ebay, burning cd's, music, >videos} and very light photo editing. i just bought a copy of tiger; >i've read here of some dual g5's having problems with leopard. any >thoughts? > >3- what is a fair price for this unit? the seller is waiting for me >to make an offer; if it is within my price range, and based on >feedback here a good unit i'll grab it! > >many many thanks in advance! > >chris -- Have a Happy and Enjoy Richard E. Meyeroff Meyeroff Computer Consultants 410-258-7503 Richard@Meyeroff-C-C.com Member Apple Consultants Network ACHDS The Answer to your Computer Questions & Needs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071111/893b12c0/attachment.html From chux at aapt.net.au Sun Nov 11 16:53:14 2007 From: chux at aapt.net.au (Charles Williams) Date: Sun Nov 11 16:53:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Buying RAM In-Reply-To: <20071111143714.82FAE1CFD3E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071111143714.82FAE1CFD3E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know (and is willing to tell) why I can't just buy any old low density PC 133 SDRAM for my QS800? Cheers! chx -- "The question is", said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -that's all." From richspk at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 03:24:22 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Mon Nov 12 03:24:27 2007 Subject: [G4] keep g4 or upgrade to g5? In-Reply-To: References: <19996D1A-90AC-11DC-9B5D-003065B79FCC@verizon.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30711120324ucb2dccci17ce7a72ce0c43e9@mail.gmail.com> I'd love to get a G5 myself, but they still seem pretty expensive to me. Check the prices on intel-based Macs before you spend money on a G5. -- Rich On Nov 11, 2007 7:00 PM, Richard Meyeroff wrote: > > Going from a G4 to G5 Gets you more than a faster CPU. You get a faster > Frontside bus, ability to upgrade to more RAM, the odds that it will Run OS > X.6. > So if you can afford it go for the G5. I would recommend staying away for > any G5 that is water cooled as they are showing problems. From richspk at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 04:37:45 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Mon Nov 12 04:38:27 2007 Subject: [G4] Buying RAM In-Reply-To: References: <20071111143714.82FAE1CFD3E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30711120437i27f64d14k37e1a1377aaf454f@mail.gmail.com> I don't know that you can't, but you'll be the guinea pig. -- Rich On Nov 11, 2007 7:53 PM, Charles Williams wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know (and is willing to tell) why I can't just buy any > old low density PC 133 SDRAM for my QS800? From ewood at izoom.net Mon Nov 12 15:52:14 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Mon Nov 12 15:52:22 2007 Subject: [G4] Buying RAM In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30711120437i27f64d14k37e1a1377aaf454f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071111143714.82FAE1CFD3E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <69ce86c30711120437i27f64d14k37e1a1377aaf454f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Am 12.11.2007 um 06:37 schrieb Richard Klein: > I don't know that you can't, but you'll be the guinea pig. > > -- > Rich > > On Nov 11, 2007 7:53 PM, Charles Williams wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone know (and is willing to tell) why I can't just buy any >> old low density PC 133 SDRAM for my QS800? And to my knowledge, there is always non-Apple RAM that will work just fine with any given Mac. Apple recommends certain RAM because they *know* it works well. I say get what you want and enjoy, because I've always put off-brand RAM into my Macs and I doubt it's caused me any problems. Eric From wscott at optonline.net Mon Nov 12 16:58:06 2007 From: wscott at optonline.net (Bill Scott) Date: Mon Nov 12 16:58:14 2007 Subject: [G4] Sluggish Leopard Performance In-Reply-To: References: <20071110191535.DC1521CDA760@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <30D9BEEA-4F90-4183-8F8E-9F0E50CC1DBF@optonline.net> Message-ID: I now have 1.5 gigs of memory, but it hasn't made much difference with 10.5 - still using 100% CPU. On Nov 11, 2007, at 11:17 AM, Richard Meyeroff wrote: > How much Memory do you have? > If you have less than a gig then definitely add memory! > >> I am experiencing sluggish performance from my 933 mhz G4 since I >> upgraded. Has anyone found a solution to this problem? Leopard >> has finished indexing my hard drive, but still I am using all of >> my CPU is being used by User, instead of 3-10%, as with 10.4 (By >> sluggish I mean the mouse movement is not smooth and folders take >> longer to open than they used to. Start-up takes more than a >> minute.) >> >> Any suggestions? Would additonal memory make a difference? Or do >> I have to upgrade the CPU too? >> >> Bill >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > -- > Have a Happy and Enjoy > > Richard E. Meyeroff > Meyeroff Computer Consultants > 410-258-7503 > Richard@Meyeroff-C-C.com > Member Apple Consultants Network ACHDS > > The Answer to your Computer Questions & Needs > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071112/5e6eaff3/attachment.html From wscott at optonline.net Mon Nov 12 17:01:50 2007 From: wscott at optonline.net (Bill Scott) Date: Mon Nov 12 17:01:58 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS on a 450 Mac -Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: References: <20071110191535.DC1521CDA760@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Did you have to do anything to Leopard to enable it to work on a 450 Mac? Anything you disabled or modified? Bill On Nov 11, 2007, at 1:19 AM, John Baltutis wrote: > On 11/10/07, "O'Brien" wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:22:05 -0500 (EST), arricam@295.ca wrote: >>> Lots of talk about Leopard OS. >>> Is there any hidden surprises? >> >> As I understand, Leopard won't run well on less than a 1gHz G4. >> >> There's been a LOT of discussion on the OSX group: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macosx-support/ > > You understand wrongly, then. It runs faster than 10.4.10 on my > unsupported G4, > 450 MP. FWIW, as noted a couple of weeks ago, I used the technigue at > to modify a cloned install disk on > an internal > HD and external FWHD. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From abrahambloom at verizon.net Mon Nov 12 17:02:52 2007 From: abrahambloom at verizon.net (Abraham Bloom) Date: Mon Nov 12 17:03:07 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Cube Upgrade to Leopard In-Reply-To: <20071112005347.334F21D10E26@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071112005347.334F21D10E26@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: I tried Archive/install and clean install with no difference. Each time I get the boot and power down sequence. Abraham From arricam at 295.ca Mon Nov 12 18:59:40 2007 From: arricam at 295.ca (arricam@295.ca) Date: Mon Nov 12 18:59:49 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: 'G4 466Mhz'+ i-mac 24" 2.4 In-Reply-To: <20071112005347.128EC1D10E25@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071112005347.128EC1D10E25@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <49152.208.79.60.56.1194922780.squirrel@mail.295.ca> G4 Digest: G4 User, likes new i-mac 24" 2.4. OS X, & Leopard Spots Change, quicker beast! Hey! Steve, next version of Leopard, interface for OS 9? G4Ever! From jonseward at mindspring.com Tue Nov 13 03:59:38 2007 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Tue Nov 13 03:59:43 2007 Subject: [G4] Buying RAM Message-ID: <380-2200711213115938805@M2W026.mail2web.com> Hi Charles, Take a look at Ramseeker.com. As long as all the specs match up, it should work fine. It doesn't need to come from Apple. However, some Macs require higher toleranced RAM to operate properly, so make sure it's the right flavor. Depending on your Mac and the RAM, poorly specced RAM can cause no problems, flaky and erratic performance, or total inability to boot. Problems should resolve when you remove the inappropriate RAM. Lower speed RAM will work, but will degrade the performance of any/all higher speed RAM. This is likely trivial for most users. HTH, jon Original Message: ----------------- From: Eric Wood ewood@izoom.net Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:52:14 -0600 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: Re: [G4] Buying RAM Am 12.11.2007 um 06:37 schrieb Richard Klein: > I don't know that you can't, but you'll be the guinea pig. > > -- > Rich > > On Nov 11, 2007 7:53 PM, Charles Williams wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone know (and is willing to tell) why I can't just buy any >> old low density PC 133 SDRAM for my QS800? And to my knowledge, there is always non-Apple RAM that will work just fine with any given Mac. Apple recommends certain RAM because they *know* it works well. I say get what you want and enjoy, because I've always put off-brand RAM into my Macs and I doubt it's caused me any problems. Eric -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From g4-lisz at tonarchiv.ch Tue Nov 13 05:51:19 2007 From: g4-lisz at tonarchiv.ch (Till Wimmer) Date: Tue Nov 13 05:51:34 2007 Subject: [G4] Buying RAM In-Reply-To: References: <20071111143714.82FAE1CFD3E8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <69ce86c30711120437i27f64d14k37e1a1377aaf454f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4739ABD7.6000403@tonarchiv.ch> It just has to be in a 64Mx64 architecture... i.e. double side 16 (2 x 8) chip for 512MB. CL2 or CL3 doesn't really matter. Till Eric Wood wrote: > Am 12.11.2007 um 06:37 schrieb Richard Klein: > >> I don't know that you can't, but you'll be the guinea pig. >> >> -- Rich >> >> On Nov 11, 2007 7:53 PM, Charles Williams wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Does anyone know (and is willing to tell) why I can't just buy any >>> old low density PC 133 SDRAM for my QS800? > > And to my knowledge, there is always non-Apple RAM that will work just > fine with any given Mac. Apple recommends certain RAM because they > *know* it works well. I say get what you want and enjoy, because I've > always put off-brand RAM into my Macs and I doubt it's caused me any > problems. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From earle.jones at comcast.net Tue Nov 13 09:22:41 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Tue Nov 13 09:23:49 2007 Subject: [G4] Buying RAM In-Reply-To: <380-2200711213115938805@M2W026.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200711213115938805@M2W026.mail2web.com> Message-ID: On Nov 13, 2007, at 3:59 AM, jonseward@mindspring.com wrote: > Hi Charles, > > Take a look at Ramseeker.com. > > As long as all the specs match up, it should work fine. It doesn't =20= > need to > come from Apple. However, some Macs > require higher toleranced RAM to operate properly, so make sure =20 > it's the > right flavor. > > Depending on your Mac and the RAM, poorly specced RAM can cause no > problems, flaky and erratic performance, or > total inability to boot. Problems should resolve when you remove the > inappropriate RAM. > > Lower speed RAM will work, but will degrade the performance of any/all > higher speed RAM. This is likely trivial for > most users. * I had a flaky Mac problem that took me to the local Apple Store =20 Genius Bar. Their first question was, "What kind of RAM do you have?" "RAM is RAM", I answered. "Not any more", was their response. Ever since System 10 showed up, =20 Mac uses RAM differently. Their suggestion: Buy from Crucial (the retail arm of Micron =20 Technology, where Apple buys a lot of RAM.) Crucial prices are a bit above the lowest, but I have never had any =20 problem with Crucial RAM. Good luck! earle * _______________________ Earle Jones =F0 earle.jones@comcast.net 650-854-1489 From baltwo at san.rr.com Tue Nov 13 10:15:11 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Tue Nov 13 10:16:30 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS on a 450 Mac -Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: <20071113135149.986631D5A48E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071113135149.986631D5A48E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Just modified the install file as noted in the second link. Did you read it? On 11/12/07, Bill Scott wrote: > > Did you have to do anything to Leopard to enable it to work on a 450 > Mac? Anything you disabled or modified? > > On Nov 11, 2007, at 1:19 AM, John Baltutis wrote: >> On 11/10/07, "O'Brien" wrote: >>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:22:05 -0500 (EST), arricam@295.ca wrote: >>>> Lots of talk about Leopard OS. >>>> Is there any hidden surprises? >>> >>> As I understand, Leopard won't run well on less than a 1gHz G4. >>> >>> There's been a LOT of discussion on the OSX group: >>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macosx-support/ >> >> You understand wrongly, then. It runs faster than 10.4.10 on my >> unsupported G4, >> 450 MP. FWIW, as noted a couple of weeks ago, I used the technigue at >> to modify a cloned install disk on >> an internal HD and external FWHD. From wscott at optonline.net Tue Nov 13 11:33:40 2007 From: wscott at optonline.net (Bill Scott) Date: Tue Nov 13 11:33:53 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS on a 450 Mac -Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: References: <20071113135149.986631D5A48E@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <3C96A2B3-6CB5-4285-BC28-CDCF184B8278@optonline.net> Yes, I read the article. The reason why I asked if you modified Leopard is because of the problem I am having with Leopard after successfully installing it. It is running very sluggishly, using all of my CPU. I wondered if you modified Leopard somehow to run "Leopard Lite," the way Vista is modified to run on PC's with limited abilities. On Nov 13, 2007, at 1:15 PM, John Baltutis wrote: > Just modified the install file as noted in the second link. Did you > read it? > > On 11/12/07, Bill Scott wrote: >> >> Did you have to do anything to Leopard to enable it to work on a 450 >> Mac? Anything you disabled or modified? >> >> On Nov 11, 2007, at 1:19 AM, John Baltutis wrote: >>> On 11/10/07, "O'Brien" wrote: >>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:22:05 -0500 (EST), arricam@295.ca wrote: >>>>> Lots of talk about Leopard OS. >>>>> Is there any hidden surprises? >>>> >>>> As I understand, Leopard won't run well on less than a 1gHz G4. >>>> >>>> There's been a LOT of discussion on the OSX group: >>>> >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macosx-support/ >>> >>> You understand wrongly, then. It runs faster than 10.4.10 on my >>> unsupported G4, >>> 450 MP. FWIW, as noted a couple of weeks ago, I used the >>> technigue at >>> to modify a cloned install disk on >>> an internal HD and external FWHD. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Nov 13 11:43:16 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Nov 13 11:43:22 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS on a 450 Mac -Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <254804.22770.qm@web51111.mail.re2.yahoo.com> John, I have a three DP 450's at home. It would be nice to still run the latest OS if there is no downside. What makes you say that your machine is faster with Leopard? Gut feel or did you run some bench marks? I must say that I got the impression that 10.4 was faster than 10.3, but many people said 10.3 was the one to stick at for G4's. Cheers, John --- John Baltutis wrote: > Just modified the install file as noted in the > second link. Did you read it? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From chux at aapt.net.au Tue Nov 13 13:33:16 2007 From: chux at aapt.net.au (chx) Date: Tue Nov 13 13:33:30 2007 Subject: [G4] Buying RAM In-Reply-To: <20071113135150.8250F1D5A48F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071113135150.8250F1D5A48F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <8966EAFD-6801-4A87-9F71-9EA758405D11@aapt.net.au> Hi, Thanks for the advice. I am looking at this stuff http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160178661060 Does it seems to fit the bill? The vendor is being cagey; I think they'd rather sell me their higher priced "Apple Certified RAM", or am I too cynical? chx From g4 at salemoregon.com Tue Nov 13 14:23:21 2007 From: g4 at salemoregon.com (jonny) Date: Tue Nov 13 14:22:42 2007 Subject: [G4] Buying RAM In-Reply-To: <8966EAFD-6801-4A87-9F71-9EA758405D11@aapt.net.au> References: <20071113135150.8250F1D5A48F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <8966EAFD-6801-4A87-9F71-9EA758405D11@aapt.net.au> Message-ID: Here's a RAM resource that I have used with satisfaction. http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/2700DDR512/ jonny /// >I am looking at this stuff > >http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160178661060 > >Does it seems to fit the bill? The vendor is being cagey; I think >they'd rather sell me their higher priced "Apple Certified RAM", or >am I too cynical? > > >chx > >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From kathialexis at cox.net Tue Nov 13 22:07:22 2007 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Tue Nov 13 22:07:31 2007 Subject: [G4] Buying RAM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00d501c82684$9f198ed0$6601a8c0@GX280> >Does it seems to fit the bill? The vendor is being cagey; I think >they'd rather sell me their higher priced "Apple Certified RAM", or >am I too cynical? I have bought ram for PCs and Macs over several generations of machines, and the best is Crucial. They do a terrific job of helping you pick the right ram, and even do an online diagnosis to check your machine. Kathi From ronsteinke at mac.com Wed Nov 14 17:00:12 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Wed Nov 14 17:00:56 2007 Subject: [G4] Buying RAM In-Reply-To: <00d501c82684$9f198ed0$6601a8c0@GX280> References: <00d501c82684$9f198ed0$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: <2466E6D2-1D40-41A3-ACFE-A41ECF13C7B8@mac.com> On 13 Nov, 2007, at 22:07, Kathi Anderson wrote: > >> Does it seems to fit the bill? The vendor is being cagey; I think >> they'd rather sell me their higher priced "Apple Certified RAM", or >> am I too cynical? > > I have bought ram for PCs and Macs over several generations of > machines, and > the best is Crucial. They do a terrific job of helping you pick the > right > ram, and even do an online diagnosis to check your machine. > Kathi I always use Data Memory Systems (www.datamem.com) for my RAM purchases. They have two guarantees for their products, one-year and life-time, with two prices of course. My latest experience was to receive two exchanges of chips that did not fit physically into the RAM space in a Dell laptop. Data Memory sent two sets of exchange chips without any extra shipping charges and provided RMA shipping labels in the packaging. It turned out that Dell used three different physical sizes of RAM chips in the Latitude C80 laptops over a two year production run. Each later model had a shorter chip than the model before it, but Dell never changed the model number and the manufacture date had to be checked to determine the correct chip size for that particular laptop. Result - a three week delay in upgrading the RAM in that machine. From shadra at shadrastrickland.com Sat Nov 17 12:39:50 2007 From: shadra at shadrastrickland.com (Shadra Strickland) Date: Sat Nov 17 12:40:51 2007 Subject: [G4] Newbie Message-ID: <3E86CEB6-954D-11DC-B610-0050E4203370@shadrastrickland.com> Hi, I am no techie. I just bought a second hand G4 and would like to use my G3 as a server. Currently, my roommate and I share internet connection where my G3 is the internet hub. I would like to learn how to swap the G4 in my office space and move my G3 to my studio (another room of the apartment). I would also like to know how to swap the files directly from the G# to the G4. I don't do much high end stuff with my machine (as you can tell). I am a designer and generally only run CS. Any help would be appreciated. I also have recently ordered a SCSI card to install into the G3. Would I then be able to swap files through that? -Shadra From ewood at izoom.net Sat Nov 17 14:49:46 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Sat Nov 17 14:49:59 2007 Subject: [G4] Newbie In-Reply-To: <3E86CEB6-954D-11DC-B610-0050E4203370@shadrastrickland.com> References: <3E86CEB6-954D-11DC-B610-0050E4203370@shadrastrickland.com> Message-ID: Am 17.11.2007 um 14:39 schrieb Shadra Strickland: > Hi, > I am no techie. I just bought a second hand G4 and would like to > use my G3 as a server. Currently, my roommate and I share internet > connection where my G3 is the internet hub. > I would like to learn how to swap the G4 in my office space and > move my G3 to my studio (another room of the apartment). > I would also like to know how to swap the files directly from the > G# to the G4. > > I don't do much high end stuff with my machine (as you can tell). > I am a designer and generally only run CS. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > I also have recently ordered a SCSI card to install into the G3. > Would I then be able to swap files through that? > > -Shadra > First question that comes to my mind is, why did you order a SCSI card? It's useful for hooking up SCSI drives and other devices, such as scanners. It's not the best way to upgrade a system since there are SATA cards available for getting large, fast, modern drives installed. Aside from that though, you can use networking to get the files moved. You could even just transfer your entire home folder from one to the other. Bear in mind this won't transfer the old user account, but you could take all of the folders from the old home folder and put them into your other computer's home. It sounds like you know how to get them networked together, since you have the G3 acting as a router, if I understand your message correctly. Do you intend to continue using the G3 as your router (aka internet hub) after the files are moved? If so, sounds like you can just transfer files and move the systems around (in no particular order) and just make sure you keep the network connections similar to how they have been, so that the G3 can continue to do its job. If there's more to it than that, please elaborate. I'd be glad to offer what assistance I can. Eric From shadra at shadrastrickland.com Sat Nov 17 15:41:19 2007 From: shadra at shadrastrickland.com (Shadra Strickland) Date: Sat Nov 17 15:42:27 2007 Subject: [G4] Newbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98CC6536-9566-11DC-B610-0050E4203370@shadrastrickland.com> Thanks Eric. I bought the SCSI to attach a large format scanner to my 300 MHz G3, but the upgrade required would have fried the motherboard (so I was told). I am going to use the G4 as my main hub, but the G3 will be used for web surfing primarily. I just bought a wireless network adapter for the G3. That should do the trick. Thanks for responding. On Saturday, November 17, 2007, at 05:49 pm, Eric Wood wrote: > Am 17.11.2007 um 14:39 schrieb Shadra Strickland: > >> Hi, >> I am no techie. I just bought a second hand G4 and would like to >> use my G3 as a server. Currently, my roommate and I share internet >> connection where my G3 is the internet hub. >> I would like to learn how to swap the G4 in my office space and move >> my G3 to my studio (another room of the apartment). >> I would also like to know how to swap the files directly from the G# >> to the G4. >> >> I don't do much high end stuff with my machine (as you can tell). I >> am a designer and generally only run CS. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> I also have recently ordered a SCSI card to install into the G3. >> Would I then be able to swap files through that? >> >> -Shadra >> > First question that comes to my mind is, why did you order a SCSI > card? It's useful for hooking up SCSI drives and other devices, such > as scanners. It's not the best way to upgrade a system since there are > SATA cards available for getting large, fast, modern drives installed. > > Aside from that though, you can use networking to get the files moved. > You could even just transfer your entire home folder from one to the > other. Bear in mind this won't transfer the old user account, but you > could take all of the folders from the old home folder and put them > into your other computer's home. > > It sounds like you know how to get them networked together, since you > have the G3 acting as a router, if I understand your message > correctly. Do you intend to continue using the G3 as your router (aka > internet hub) after the files are moved? If so, sounds like you can > just transfer files and move the systems around (in no particular > order) and just make sure you keep the network connections similar to > how they have been, so that the G3 can continue to do its job. > > If there's more to it than that, please elaborate. I'd be glad to > offer what assistance I can. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Shadra Strickland Illustration www.shadrastrickland.com info@shadrastrickland.com 917-653-3882 From baltwo at san.rr.com Sat Nov 17 23:05:51 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sat Nov 17 23:14:33 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS on a 450 Mac -Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: <20071117224958.01FE71E202B3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071117224958.01FE71E202B3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 11/13/07, Bill Scott wrote: > On Nov 13, 2007, at 1:15 PM, John Baltutis wrote: > >> Just modified the install file as noted in the second link. Did you >> read it? > > Yes, I read the article. > > The reason why I asked if you modified Leopard is because of the > problem I am having with Leopard after successfully installing it. > It is running very sluggishly, using all of my CPU. I wondered if > you modified Leopard somehow to run "Leopard Lite," the way Vista is > modified to run on PC's with limited abilities. Sorry, I'm on digest and just saw this. No, I didn't do anything to the installation. As I noted earler, it runs as fast or faster than Tiger. From baltwo at san.rr.com Sat Nov 17 23:14:20 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sat Nov 17 23:14:37 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard OS on a 450 Mac -Question--G4Ever In-Reply-To: <20071117224958.01FE71E202B3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20071117224958.01FE71E202B3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 11/13/07, John Niven wrote: > On Nov 11, 2007, at 1:19 AM, John Baltutis wrote: >> On 11/10/07, "O'Brien" wrote: >>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:22:05 -0500 (EST), arricam@295.ca wrote: >>>> Lots of talk about Leopard OS. Are there any hidden surprises? >>> >>> As I understand, Leopard won't run well on less than a 1gHz G4. >>> There's been a LOT of discussion on the OSX group: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macosx-support/ >>> >>> You understand wrongly, then. It runs faster than 10.4.10 on my >>> unsupported G4, 450 MP, 1.5 GB RAM > > I have a three DP 450's at home. It would be nice to > still run the latest OS if there is no downside. What > makes you say that your machine is faster with Leopard? > Gut feel or did you run some bench marks? I must say > that I got the impression that 10.4 was faster than 10.3, > but many people said 10.3 was the one to stick at for G4's. Sorry for the delay. I'm on digest and just got this. I beta-tested the cat, so ran it for over a year on the G4 and my mate's 1GHz 17" flat-panel iMac. That and reports from other beta-testers indicated every incremental build brought some speed increase in one area or another. I still run 10.4.11 on a daily basis and think stuff loads faster, Safari's snappier, etc. No other benchmarks, but I've beta-tested Panther, Tiger, and Leopard, so my experience is what I base my conclusion on. From Bru421 at aol.com Mon Nov 19 13:01:15 2007 From: Bru421 at aol.com (Bru421@aol.com) Date: Mon Nov 19 13:01:35 2007 Subject: [G4] question about a used g4 Message-ID: I have a quick question. I purchased a used G4 I believe it is a Quicksilver 1ghz. I am trying to upgrade and I am not sure what pc133 sdram to purchase, and whether I can go to 2 gbs or 1.5. The operating system is 9.2.1 so I know I want to upgrade this as well. Tahnk you for oyur time. Bruce ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071119/801e01ca/attachment.html From macsys at mac.com Mon Nov 19 13:04:15 2007 From: macsys at mac.com (wilkinw) Date: Mon Nov 19 13:04:40 2007 Subject: [G4] question about a used g4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you go to the Apple Menu/About this Mac/More Info/ scroll down to the memory it will tell you how many slots you have available and also what type of memory is already in, Wayne. From wscott at optonline.net Mon Nov 19 15:01:09 2007 From: wscott at optonline.net (Bill Scott) Date: Mon Nov 19 15:01:25 2007 Subject: [G4] question about a used g4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94B7FC30-3FB9-4E48-AB8B-F27E4C6E02F4@optonline.net> Try a site like this one http://lowendmac.com/ppc/gigag4.html to help you find the exact type of memory you need. (My G4 Quicksilver 993 mhz could only take 1.5 gigs total.) I got mine from memory to Go in Los Angeles. The extra memory made a big difference in Leopard's performance! Bill On Nov 19, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Bru421@aol.com wrote: > I have a quick question. I purchased a used G4 I believe it is a > Quicksilver 1ghz. I am trying to upgrade and I am not sure what > pc133 sdram to purchase, and whether I can go to 2 gbs or 1.5. > The operating system is 9.2.1 so I know I want to upgrade this as > well. Tahnk you for oyur time. Bruce > > > > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071119/34effa8c/attachment.html From obgraph at hiwaay.net Mon Nov 19 15:07:57 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Mon Nov 19 15:08:05 2007 Subject: [G4] question about a used g4 In-Reply-To: <94B7FC30-3FB9-4E48-AB8B-F27E4C6E02F4@optonline.net> References: <94B7FC30-3FB9-4E48-AB8B-F27E4C6E02F4@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20071119170757.179026.48d7894c@hiwaay.net> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:01:09 -0500, Bill Scott wrote: > I got mine from memory to Go.... I've bought RAM from memorytogo.com a number of times over the years -- good prices, good service, no complaints. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From fcasadon at bellsouth.net Mon Nov 19 15:12:42 2007 From: fcasadon at bellsouth.net (Frank Casadonte) Date: Mon Nov 19 15:12:49 2007 Subject: [G4] Hello & a question Message-ID: <000d01c82b01$b061a4d0$0201a8c0@OFFICE> Hello, I have recently purchased a G4 MDD 1.25Ghz machine and found this site. I am trying to learn more about the capabilities of this Powermac. Is there a way for me to do a search on past topics? Frank -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20071119/59384e6f/attachment.html From dancurr at frontiernet.net Mon Nov 19 15:28:07 2007 From: dancurr at fro