From ronsteinke at mac.com Sat Sep 1 15:18:25 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sat Sep 1 15:17:32 2007 Subject: [G4] Firewire issue In-Reply-To: References: <24545507.10840221188592876624.JavaMail.root@vms062.mailsrvcs.net> <12673cc0ce8d8a05ed7a15d1cc410a63@gifutiger.com> <8B8AFBBC-0114-1000-8507-82CD0DB5EBBE-Webmail-10024@mac.com> <28d29316e9aa42813e60d816e3a281c7@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: On 31 Aug, 2007, at 19:46, Harry Freeman wrote: > What did I say? You advised the iPod owner to reformat it as a Windows version so that it would be recognized by a PC and music could be loaded on it from the PC. That would be fine if the iPod was never to be used with a Macintosh at all, but it still leaves the iPod vulnerable to all the problems that PC viruses bring. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070901/ab11f677/attachment.html From richspk at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 18:04:25 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Sat Sep 1 18:04:29 2007 Subject: [G4] Firewire issue In-Reply-To: References: <24545507.10840221188592876624.JavaMail.root@vms062.mailsrvcs.net> <12673cc0ce8d8a05ed7a15d1cc410a63@gifutiger.com> <8B8AFBBC-0114-1000-8507-82CD0DB5EBBE-Webmail-10024@mac.com> <28d29316e9aa42813e60d816e3a281c7@gifutiger.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30709011804r5cd3d0bfp85c73765b0de3876@mail.gmail.com> On 9/1/07, Ronald Steinke wrote: > > That would be fine if the iPod was never to be used with a Macintosh at all, > but it still leaves the iPod vulnerable to all the problems that PC viruses > bring. How would an iPod, or a Mac, get a PC virus? That's a non-issue. A PC virus will run on a PC and nothing else. A PC virus could be stored on an iPod just like any other file, but it can't be run on an iPod, so what's the big deal? And a PC virus can be stored on an iPod no matter what filesystem you format the iPod with; it's just another file, after all. Thanks for injecting anti-Windows BS into yet another thread. -- Rich From techpriest at ourlair.com Sat Sep 1 19:41:58 2007 From: techpriest at ourlair.com (Techpriest) Date: Sat Sep 1 19:42:08 2007 Subject: [G4] New Apple Keyboard Message-ID: <52132FE7-C107-492F-B19F-BB4D21DEE6C6@ourlair.com> Just got the new Apple wired keyboard. I have it hooked to my PowerMac G4/533 running OSX 10.4 and all the keys seem to work as they should. I am very happy with the feel and have not had any trouble typing. It is so thin it feels like the keys are on the table itself. I had the original plastic keyboard made before the Eject key was added and really like having volume, eject and forward- delete finally. I was kind of afraid it would not give me all the bells and whistles when hooked to my Elder Mac but it does, so I thought I would share in case others were concerned. The box states you need OSX 10.4.10 or later, and I did need to download drivers to get it to work. I am guessing the drivers won't work on older OSes. From skygram at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 19:56:54 2007 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Sat Sep 1 19:57:38 2007 Subject: [G4] New Apple Keyboard In-Reply-To: <52132FE7-C107-492F-B19F-BB4D21DEE6C6@ourlair.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the input Techpriest, I guess I'll spring for this new keyboard after all. It looks so cool. I'm glad all the keys work. I have bee hearing where they have not worked on some Macs. Bill From ronsteinke at mac.com Sun Sep 2 01:19:41 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sun Sep 2 01:20:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Firewire issue In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30709011804r5cd3d0bfp85c73765b0de3876@mail.gmail.com> References: <24545507.10840221188592876624.JavaMail.root@vms062.mailsrvcs.net> <12673cc0ce8d8a05ed7a15d1cc410a63@gifutiger.com> <8B8AFBBC-0114-1000-8507-82CD0DB5EBBE-Webmail-10024@mac.com> <28d29316e9aa42813e60d816e3a281c7@gifutiger.com> <69ce86c30709011804r5cd3d0bfp85c73765b0de3876@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1 Sep, 2007, at 18:04, Richard Klein wrote: > A PC virus could be stored on an iPod just like any other file, > but it can't be run on an > iPod, so what's the big deal? And a PC virus can be stored on an > iPod no matter what > filesystem you format the iPod with; it's just another file, after > all. The main issue there is that you CAN infect an iPod with a PC virus and it CAN be passed to another computer from the iPod. Yes, a virus can be stored on an iPod no matter what format it has, but it won't transfer to the iPod if the iPod can't be recognized by a PC (which is where the virus would come from in the first place) because the iPod is formatted as a Mac iPod. The only way a PC virus can be installed on a Mac formatted iPod that I can think of is if the virus is already on the Mac computer and is then transferred to the iPod by the user manually unless the virus is in a music file that is automatically loaded on the iPod when it is connected to the Mac, and I don't think that that is very likely. When did you see a music file that was infected with a virus? Go ahead and reformat YOUR iPod, I'm keeping MINE away from all PCs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070902/2d889e22/attachment.html From fast_primes at hotmail.com Sun Sep 2 09:12:43 2007 From: fast_primes at hotmail.com (Fast Primes) Date: Sun Sep 2 09:14:12 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: <20070902010437.32E5914C36C3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following specs: - 400Mhz processor - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 SDRAM mem. - 10 gig drive--7 gig free The machine seems to work fairly well--however it's frozen up on occasion, sometimes with the revolving "beach ball". Is this because of memory constraints or should I upgrade the OS to 10.3 or 10.4? Can the processor be upgraded to a faster one via some third party solution? Are new Intel CPU boards available? How do I connect to an Windows NTFS formatted USB external drive and read files off it? Thanks! FP--books "Missing Manual", "Mac OS X Unleashed" and Robin's iMac Apps book are inbound from amazon. _________________________________________________________________ Get the device you want, with the Hotmail® you love. http://www.windowsmobile.com/hotmailmobile?ocid=MobileHMTagline_1 From richspk at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 09:31:07 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Sun Sep 2 09:31:15 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: References: <20070902010437.32E5914C36C3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30709020931m4cdd5409yf8771f2ec1257126@mail.gmail.com> On 9/2/07, Fast Primes wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following specs: > > - 400Mhz processor > - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? > - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 SDRAM > mem. With 4 slots, I think you have the "Gigabit Ethernet" model, in which case you can actually expand it to 2GB of memory, but you'd need to upgrade to OS X 10.4/Tiger. Jaguar could only handle up to 1.5GB. > - 10 gig drive--7 gig free > > The machine seems to work fairly well--however it's frozen up on occasion, > sometimes with the revolving "beach ball". Is this because of memory > constraints or should I upgrade the OS to 10.3 or 10.4? I don't know why it's freezing. If it were me, I'd upgrade to 10.4 (for various reasons), but they may do nothing for the freezing issue. Also note that Apple will probably release the next version of OS X (Leopard) within the next few months. I don't know how well or poorly that might run on our old G4s, though. > Can the processor be upgraded to a faster one via some third party solution? > Are new Intel CPU boards available? You have several options to upgrade to faster (or even dual) G4 processors, but there's no way to upgrade to an Intel processor. You can find a lot of the upgrade options here: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/accelerators/ That's not the only place to get them, but they've been around for a while, seem to be respected in the G4 community, and I've liked my dealings with them. They even have good prices once in a while. :) > How do I connect to an Windows NTFS formatted USB external drive and read > files off it? I'm not positive, but you may be out of luck. NTFS is a proprietary Microsoft filesystem. In the future, if you want to use an external drive on both Macs and PCs, you'll want to format the drive with FAT or FAT32. I know that in Linux it is possible to mount NTFS drives and read them, and there are experimental modules that allow writing to the drives, too...in some cases. But that doesn't always work, it requires some technical knowledge, and that's Linux, not Mac. Maybe someone else will have better information for you, but I think it's unlikely. -- Rich From macandlinuxuser at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 09:32:25 2007 From: macandlinuxuser at gmail.com (Patrick J. Runcie) Date: Sun Sep 2 09:32:36 2007 Subject: [G4] Firewire issue In-Reply-To: References: <24545507.10840221188592876624.JavaMail.root@vms062.mailsrvcs.net> <12673cc0ce8d8a05ed7a15d1cc410a63@gifutiger.com> <8B8AFBBC-0114-1000-8507-82CD0DB5EBBE-Webmail-10024@mac.com> <28d29316e9aa42813e60d816e3a281c7@gifutiger.com> <69ce86c30709011804r5cd3d0bfp85c73765b0de3876@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c7ed7e$d8f36340$8ada29c0$@com> Don't think that Mac's are impervious to virus'. It's just a matter of time, as Mac's are now getting more popular, that more virus' will be written for them. I am both a heavy Mac & Intel user. A Mac is a pc, so I refuse to use that term. The bottom line is use both an antivirus and anti spyware program, on an Intel system, and antivirus software on the Mac. Yes, occasionally Macs do get virus'. I very, very, very, rarely get a virus. I think in 25 years, maybe 5 or 6, and it was for my stupidity, letting my guard down. I keep the definitions up to date, and back up from time to time. I use both a hardware and software firewall. Any IM programs, I have to open a port in order to use them. I have pop ups disabled, with the exception of sites I trust. I also learned, very early, if you have a wife and or children, at the least, create a separate account, or ideally, a separate computer. Format the iPod in whatever PC you use most. There is software, out there, that will let you use it in both Mac OS and M$. Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070902/5c4cc742/attachment.html From macandlinuxuser at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 09:36:20 2007 From: macandlinuxuser at gmail.com (Patrick J. Runcie) Date: Sun Sep 2 09:46:37 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30709020931m4cdd5409yf8771f2ec1257126@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070902010437.32E5914C36C3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <69ce86c30709020931m4cdd5409yf8771f2ec1257126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01c7ed7f$6532dc50$2f9894f0$@com> 1.5gb of ram, is Quicksilver. -----Original Message----- From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Richard Klein Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:31 PM To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? On 9/2/07, Fast Primes wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following specs: > > - 400Mhz processor > - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? > - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 SDRAM > mem. With 4 slots, I think you have the "Gigabit Ethernet" model, in which case you can actually expand it to 2GB of memory, but you'd need to upgrade to OS X 10.4/Tiger. Jaguar could only handle up to 1.5GB. > - 10 gig drive--7 gig free > > The machine seems to work fairly well--however it's frozen up on occasion, > sometimes with the revolving "beach ball". Is this because of memory > constraints or should I upgrade the OS to 10.3 or 10.4? I don't know why it's freezing. If it were me, I'd upgrade to 10.4 (for various reasons), but they may do nothing for the freezing issue. Also note that Apple will probably release the next version of OS X (Leopard) within the next few months. I don't know how well or poorly that might run on our old G4s, though. > Can the processor be upgraded to a faster one via some third party solution? > Are new Intel CPU boards available? You have several options to upgrade to faster (or even dual) G4 processors, but there's no way to upgrade to an Intel processor. You can find a lot of the upgrade options here: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/accelerators/ That's not the only place to get them, but they've been around for a while, seem to be respected in the G4 community, and I've liked my dealings with them. They even have good prices once in a while. :) > How do I connect to an Windows NTFS formatted USB external drive and read > files off it? I'm not positive, but you may be out of luck. NTFS is a proprietary Microsoft filesystem. In the future, if you want to use an external drive on both Macs and PCs, you'll want to format the drive with FAT or FAT32. I know that in Linux it is possible to mount NTFS drives and read them, and there are experimental modules that allow writing to the drives, too...in some cases. But that doesn't always work, it requires some technical knowledge, and that's Linux, not Mac. Maybe someone else will have better information for you, but I think it's unlikely. -- Rich _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From techpriest at ourlair.com Sun Sep 2 09:50:35 2007 From: techpriest at ourlair.com (Techpriest) Date: Sun Sep 2 09:51:34 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am running OSX 4 on a PowerMac G4/533 with 1.5gig ram and an iBook G3 600 with 384 ram. The G4 is obviously faster, but both work well enough. I have found a number of programs I wanted to run required 10.4 and would quickly recommend it over the older OSXes. Hard drives are cheap and are not Mac Specific. I put two new 80gb drives in my G4 for $55 each (I mirrored them is why I got two). You can upgrade the CPU, but not to Intel. I was thinking of upgrading my G4 CPU but figured I would get more bang for my buck putting that money aside and getting a G5 or Intel later. You can get a new Intel powered Mac Mini for $500 from CompUSA, some of the CPU upgrades are half that much or more. Have fun learning a new world. I sure did. > I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following > specs: > > - 400Mhz processor > - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? > - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 > SDRAM mem. > - 10 gig drive--7 gig free From macandlinuxuser at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 10:10:51 2007 From: macandlinuxuser at gmail.com (Patrick J. Runcie) Date: Sun Sep 2 10:10:58 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c7ed84$37b8ea80$a72abf80$@com> I agree with the previous person. When I upgrades my Quicksilver, 2 years ago, it was worth spending some money. You would be better off buying a Mac Mini, if you're going to use it for basic home use. -----Original Message----- From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Techpriest Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:51 PM To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? I am running OSX 4 on a PowerMac G4/533 with 1.5gig ram and an iBook G3 600 with 384 ram. The G4 is obviously faster, but both work well enough. I have found a number of programs I wanted to run required 10.4 and would quickly recommend it over the older OSXes. Hard drives are cheap and are not Mac Specific. I put two new 80gb drives in my G4 for $55 each (I mirrored them is why I got two). You can upgrade the CPU, but not to Intel. I was thinking of upgrading my G4 CPU but figured I would get more bang for my buck putting that money aside and getting a G5 or Intel later. You can get a new Intel powered Mac Mini for $500 from CompUSA, some of the CPU upgrades are half that much or more. Have fun learning a new world. I sure did. > I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following > specs: > > - 400Mhz processor > - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? > - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 > SDRAM mem. > - 10 gig drive--7 gig free _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From jester_123 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 2 10:30:02 2007 From: jester_123 at yahoo.com (Eric Hall) Date: Sun Sep 2 10:30:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <641362.3851.qm@web37313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I upgraded mine to a 1000mhz processor. It cost a little more then $200. If you like your G4, go ahead and upgrade it. If you absolutely must have top-of-the-line performance, by all means get a new intel Mac. For me, I really don't need it, and I like my G4. It suits my needs fine, and seems fast enough to me. Eric Fast Primes wrote: Hi Folks, I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following specs: - 400Mhz processor - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 SDRAM mem. - 10 gig drive--7 gig free The machine seems to work fairly well--however it's frozen up on occasion, sometimes with the revolving "beach ball". Is this because of memory constraints or should I upgrade the OS to 10.3 or 10.4? Can the processor be upgraded to a faster one via some third party solution? Are new Intel CPU boards available? How do I connect to an Windows NTFS formatted USB external drive and read files off it? Thanks! FP--books "Missing Manual", "Mac OS X Unleashed" and Robin's iMac Apps book are inbound from amazon. _________________________________________________________________ Get the device you want, with the Hotmail? you love. http://www.windowsmobile.com/hotmailmobile?ocid=MobileHMTagline_1 _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070902/ff1262ed/attachment.html From obgraph at hiwaay.net Sun Sep 2 10:57:24 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Sun Sep 2 10:58:14 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070902125724.503841.6cbd0379@hiwaay.net> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:12:43 -0400, Fast Primes wrote: > I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following specs: > > - 400Mhz processor > - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? > - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 SDRAM mem. > - 10 gig drive--7 gig free > > The machine seems to work fairly well--however it's frozen up on > occasion, sometimes with the revolving "beach ball". Is this > because of memory constraints or should I upgrade the OS to 10.3 or > 10.4? > > Can the processor be upgraded to a faster one via some third party > solution? Are new Intel CPU boards available? You can upgrade the processor, but it might make more sense and be cheaper to just buy a different used Mac. You could get an 800 or higher for probably what an upgrade would cost -- and it will likely already have more RAM and a bigger HD, and it's much better (I think) to have an original processor machine than an upgraded one. I recently bought an 867mHz Quicksilver with 1Gig of RAM and a 120 HD for $300, including the OSX.4.x DVD. This was a real bargain, but you can find some good buys out there. Plus, you can sell the 400 for $50-$100 or so. That's what I'd do. I doubt that a new OS will help the freeze. Maybe, you could try doing a clean install of the OSX.2.x, or find a good deal on OSX.3.x (Panther) which will let you use a newer browser and maybe other things. You don't mention what apps you are using on this Mac. The RAM could be a problem, and the HD which is tiny. You might add another 256M of RAM or more and say an 80-120 HD. I wouldn't add too much RAM to this old Mac unless I could transfer it to another Mac later. Again, look around and you'll find a newer, faster used Mac with more RAM and HD for probably less than upgrading this Mac would cost. Or, you could just play with this Mac as-is for awhile, and when you discover how great Mac is buy a Mac Mini or some other newer/new Mac -- depending on how upgradable you like. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From richspk at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 11:25:45 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Sun Sep 2 11:25:53 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: <001c01c7ed7f$6532dc50$2f9894f0$@com> References: <20070902010437.32E5914C36C3@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <69ce86c30709020931m4cdd5409yf8771f2ec1257126@mail.gmail.com> <001c01c7ed7f$6532dc50$2f9894f0$@com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30709021125q11b97af9hb17b89e4665beef4@mail.gmail.com> Right. But Fast Primes doesn't have a Quicksilver. The Gigabit Ethernet (http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/Power_Mac_G4_Gigabit_Ethernet.html) had 4 memory slots while the Quicksilver (http://support.apple.com/specs/powermac/Power_Mac_G4_Quicksilver.html) only had 3. -- Rich On 9/2/07, Patrick J. Runcie wrote: > 1.5gb of ram, is Quicksilver. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Klein > > On 9/2/07, Fast Primes wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following specs: > > > > - 400Mhz processor > > - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? > > - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 SDRAM > > mem. > > With 4 slots, I think you have the "Gigabit Ethernet" model, in which > case you can actually expand it to 2GB of memory, but you'd need to > upgrade to OS X 10.4/Tiger. Jaguar could only handle up to 1.5GB. From ben.smith at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 2 11:31:08 2007 From: ben.smith at ntlworld.com (Ben Smith) Date: Sun Sep 2 11:32:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: <20070902164640.4DEF814CE163@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070902164640.4DEF814CE163@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <46DB016C.3000708@ntlworld.com> > Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:12:43 -0400 > From: "Fast Primes" > Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? > Hi Folks, > > I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following specs: > > - 400Mhz processor > - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? > - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 SDRAM > mem. > - 10 gig drive--7 gig free > > The machine seems to work fairly well--however it's frozen up on occasion, > sometimes with the revolving "beach ball". Is this because of memory > constraints or should I upgrade the OS to 10.3 or 10.4? > > Can the processor be upgraded to a faster one via some third party solution? > Are new Intel CPU boards available? > > How do I connect to an Windows NTFS formatted USB external drive and read > files off it? > > Thanks! > Some more info on the Mac would help, the back of the case should have a plate with the info. If it is a 400Mhz it could be any of several machines, does it have an AGP graphics card, is the ethernet 10/100 or 10/100/1000, as it could be a Yikes (G4 PCI Graphics),Sawtooth (G4 AGP Graphics)or Gigabit ethernet. There are various processor upgrades, but they vary according to the motherboard (but NO Intel upgrade, the board architecture is quite different). You can just plug a NTFS drive into the USB port and read the data ok under 10.4.x, however you cannot write to it, I don't think 10.2x supported NTFS reading, you will probably have to update the OS (I think that there were 3rd party NTFS utils for earlier OS's but you will have to hunt for them yourself). You would be best off upping the memory to at least 1GB (it will actually take 2GB under OSx)and upgrading to 10.4.x (currently 10.4.10, 10.4.11 rumoured to be coming soon), also you can use standard PC memory, either PC100 or PC133, (I find that about 8 out of 10 ex-PC memory sticks work fine in my Sawtooth) For cross platform compatibility a FAT32 external drive is the best. Ben. From ewood at izoom.net Sun Sep 2 11:43:03 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Sun Sep 2 11:43:16 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 400 MHz sounds like an old G3 system to me, or an original G4 tower. Issue number one is freezing. It's possible that a new system could help stability, but if there's a bit of bad hardware or a bad PRAM or NVRAM setting causing it, it probably won't make a difference. I'd upgrade just for the sake of modern compatibility - Tiger is no slower than Jaguar on such a system - I have an iMac 400 MHz or so (DV) that runs Tiger nicely. It's using 512 MB of RAM. I'd replace that tiny hard drive and just install a newer system at that time. You could leave the old drive in there and let OS X transfer documents and settings from it during the installation. If the freezing continues afterwards, try popping one of the RAM modules out and run the system for a while. If you can get it to stop freezing that way, you've likely identified a bad module that's easily replaced. As for reading NTFS, there is a freeware NTFS driver available on www.versiontracker.com. Just search for NTFS and it'll come up. After that's installed, just plug 'n play. If you really want an Intel in there, you could stick a PC board in the Mac case >:) But you'd only get to run Mac OS with some hacked edition that likely won't even work, so no, you'll be using PPC. Other World Computing sells a lot of Mac PPC upgrades - unfortunately, there seems to be no store in existence that lets you pick one off of a shelf. I'm quite surprised to see it's got 4 RAM slots but a maximum of 1.5 GBs. That doesn't add up. My own G4 claims to have four RAM slots in system profiler, but only has three physical slots, and it is limited to 1.5 GBs for that reason. Eric Am 02.09.2007 um 11:12 schrieb Fast Primes: > Hi Folks, > > I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following > specs: > > - 400Mhz processor > - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? > - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 > SDRAM mem. > - 10 gig drive--7 gig free > > The machine seems to work fairly well--however it's frozen up on > occasion, sometimes with the revolving "beach ball". Is this > because of memory constraints or should I upgrade the OS to 10.3 or > 10.4? > > Can the processor be upgraded to a faster one via some third party > solution? Are new Intel CPU boards available? > > How do I connect to an Windows NTFS formatted USB external drive > and read files off it? > > Thanks! > > FP--books "Missing Manual", "Mac OS X Unleashed" and Robin's iMac > Apps book are inbound from amazon. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the device you want, with the Hotmail? you love. http:// > www.windowsmobile.com/hotmailmobile?ocid=MobileHMTagline_1 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From cdt at globaldsl.net Sun Sep 2 19:48:37 2007 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (Daniel Tellier) Date: Sun Sep 2 19:48:55 2007 Subject: [G4] Gigabit Ethernet & memory Message-ID: <2B6DFCD0-59C8-11DC-85F2-000393D3499C@globaldsl.net> Earlier this spring I purchased a gigabit ethernet, G4, 400 MHz, 20 Gb HD. It does, indeed, have 4 ram slots. Mine came with OSX 10.3 Panther. I installed 4, 512Mb memory modules and the ASP recognized 2 Gb of ram and it runs lots faster than it did with Panther and only 384 Mb of ram. Although I own a family pack of Tiger, I'm leaving the Gigabit ethernet with Panther because of the following experience. I also have two G3 iBooks, a 700 Mhz, with an 80Gb HD, and an 800 Mhz, with a 30 Gb HD, both with 640Mb RAM. I upgraded the 700Mhz to OSX 10.4 Tiger and its performance slowed considerably. If I remember correctly, Tiger is a significantly larger system than Jaguar or Panther and seems to slow the older, slower systems down. (More memory might alleviate this problem, but that is not an option with these iBooks - they are both maxed on RAM). I'm planning to move it back to Panther because of this. That is, of course, unless some to the guys with more experience than me tell me I'm wrong and what I did to slow down my iBook besides upgrading to Tiger. Hope this helps. Dan From cdt at globaldsl.net Sun Sep 2 20:06:56 2007 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (Daniel Tellier) Date: Sun Sep 2 20:07:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: <20070902125724.503841.6cbd0379@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: If you want to find a faster G4, try the Craigslist for your area and as far away as you're willing to drive to investigate. I got a Dual processor 1000Mhz G4 with a 17" Apple Studio LCD, maxed out RAM and 320Gb of hard drives for less than $800. I had to drive over an hour to see and purchase it, but it was in an area I make the occasional trip to anyway. I went prepared to buy in case it was what I was looking for and I'm glad I did. If you do decide to sell the Gigabit ethernet, give me a shout. I need another machine for my kids. Dan On Sunday, September 2, 2007, at 01:57 PM, O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:12:43 -0400, Fast Primes wrote: >> I'm a Windows XP user that just got an old Mac with the following >> specs: >> >> - 400Mhz processor >> - running OS X 10.2/Jaguar? >> - 384 meg ram--expandable to 1.5 gig via 4 slots of PC100 >> SDRAM mem. >> - 10 gig drive--7 gig free >> >> The machine seems to work fairly well--however it's frozen up on >> occasion, sometimes with the revolving "beach ball". Is this >> because of memory constraints or should I upgrade the OS to 10.3 or >> 10.4? >> >> Can the processor be upgraded to a faster one via some third party >> solution? Are new Intel CPU boards available? > > You can upgrade the processor, but it might make more sense and be > cheaper to just buy a different used Mac. You could get an 800 or > higher for probably what an upgrade would cost -- and it will likely > already have more RAM and a bigger HD, and it's much better (I think) > to have an original processor machine than an upgraded one. I recently > bought an 867mHz Quicksilver with 1Gig of RAM and a 120 HD for $300, > including the OSX.4.x DVD. This was a real bargain, but you can find > some good buys out there. Plus, you can sell the 400 for $50-$100 or > so. That's what I'd do. > > I doubt that a new OS will help the freeze. Maybe, you could try doing > a clean install of the OSX.2.x, or find a good deal on OSX.3.x > (Panther) which will let you use a newer browser and maybe other > things. You don't mention what apps you are using on this Mac. The RAM > could be a problem, and the HD which is tiny. You might add another > 256M of RAM or more and say an 80-120 HD. I wouldn't add too much RAM > to this old Mac unless I could transfer it to another Mac later. > Again, look around and you'll find a newer, faster used Mac with more > RAM and HD for probably less than upgrading this Mac would cost. > > Or, you could just play with this Mac as-is for awhile, and when you > discover how great Mac is buy a Mac Mini or some other newer/new Mac > -- depending on how upgradable you like. > > > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > O'Brien > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From ewood at izoom.net Sun Sep 2 21:15:55 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Sun Sep 2 21:17:32 2007 Subject: [G4] Gigabit Ethernet & memory In-Reply-To: <2B6DFCD0-59C8-11DC-85F2-000393D3499C@globaldsl.net> References: <2B6DFCD0-59C8-11DC-85F2-000393D3499C@globaldsl.net> Message-ID: <1188792955.12867.0.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> Hi Dan, My only thought is that you were upgrading G3s, which of course lack Altivec, and I know that OS X makes heavy use of it to speed things up. Eric On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 22:48 -0400, Daniel Tellier wrote: > Earlier this spring I purchased a gigabit ethernet, G4, 400 MHz, 20 Gb > HD. It does, indeed, have 4 ram slots. Mine came with OSX 10.3 > Panther. I installed 4, 512Mb memory modules and the ASP recognized 2 > Gb of ram and it runs lots faster than it did with Panther and only 384 > Mb of ram. Although I own a family pack of Tiger, I'm leaving the > Gigabit ethernet with Panther because of the following experience. > > I also have two G3 iBooks, a 700 Mhz, with an 80Gb HD, and an 800 Mhz, > with a 30 Gb HD, both with 640Mb RAM. I upgraded the 700Mhz to OSX > 10.4 Tiger and its performance slowed considerably. If I remember > correctly, Tiger is a significantly larger system than Jaguar or > Panther and seems to slow the older, slower systems down. (More memory > might alleviate this problem, but that is not an option with these > iBooks - they are both maxed on RAM). I'm planning to move it back to > Panther because of this. That is, of course, unless some to the guys > with more experience than me tell me I'm wrong and what I did to slow > down my iBook besides upgrading to Tiger. > > Hope this helps. > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From obgraph at hiwaay.net Sun Sep 2 21:27:44 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Sun Sep 2 21:28:07 2007 Subject: [G4] Upgrade of old G4/400Mhz/OS X-Jaguar? In-Reply-To: <20070902125724.503841.6cbd0379@hiwaay.net> References: <20070902125724.503841.6cbd0379@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <20070902232744.644235.cf093b81@hiwaay.net> On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:57:24 -0500, O'Brien wrote: > I doubt that a new OS will help the freeze.... Of course, it *could* fix it. But, just re-installing your current OS could also fix it. It could be caused by various things: corrupted OS (re-install OS), corrupted app, not enough RAM or HD. Try repairing permissions with Disk Utility. In *my* experience, Macs with OSX almost *never* crash. A particular app might crash, but not the Mac. I've had two Macs now with OSX, and I think I've had one crash - maybe two - in the last four or five years since I switched to X. I use my Macs a lot everyday, and they run 24/7. Actually, I don't think I've had a total of more than a handful of crashes since I started using Macs over 20 years ago starting with a Mac Plus with MacOS3.9, I think it was. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From techpriest at ourlair.com Sun Sep 2 21:37:44 2007 From: techpriest at ourlair.com (Techpriest) Date: Sun Sep 2 21:38:00 2007 Subject: [G4] Gigabit Ethernet & memory In-Reply-To: <2B6DFCD0-59C8-11DC-85F2-000393D3499C@globaldsl.net> References: <2B6DFCD0-59C8-11DC-85F2-000393D3499C@globaldsl.net> Message-ID: <131924C7-8FFC-4BC7-80B6-916F57A33068@ourlair.com> Have you "tuned" OSX 4 to run better on the G3s? I found turning off many of the bells and whistles helped. Here is a good article with some tips to get all versions of OSX to run better on slower machines. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020221092653868 On Sep 2, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Daniel Tellier wrote: > > I also have two G3 iBooks, a 700 Mhz, with an 80Gb HD, and an 800 > Mhz, with a 30 Gb HD, both with 640Mb RAM. I upgraded the 700Mhz > to OSX 10.4 Tiger and its performance slowed considerably. If I > remember correctly, Tiger is a significantly larger system than > Jaguar or Panther and seems to slow the older, slower systems > down. (More memory might alleviate this problem, but that is not > an option with these iBooks - they are both maxed on RAM). I'm > planning to move it back to Panther because of this. That is, of > course, unless some to the guys with more experience than me tell > me I'm wrong and what I did to slow down my iBook besides upgrading > to Tiger. From cdt at globaldsl.net Mon Sep 3 05:51:45 2007 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (Daniel Tellier) Date: Mon Sep 3 05:52:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Gigabit Ethernet & memory In-Reply-To: <131924C7-8FFC-4BC7-80B6-916F57A33068@ourlair.com> Message-ID: <6DAA9FC0-5A1C-11DC-AC46-000393D3499C@globaldsl.net> No, I haven't. I'll look into it, though, and consider the possibilities before I go back to Panther. Dan On Monday, September 3, 2007, at 12:37 AM, Techpriest wrote: > Have you "tuned" OSX 4 to run better on the G3s? I found turning off > many of the bells and whistles helped. > > Here is a good article with some tips to get all versions of OSX to > run better on slower machines. > > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020221092653868 > > On Sep 2, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Daniel Tellier wrote: >> >> I also have two G3 iBooks, a 700 Mhz, with an 80Gb HD, and an 800 >> Mhz, with a 30 Gb HD, both with 640Mb RAM. I upgraded the 700Mhz to >> OSX 10.4 Tiger and its performance slowed considerably. If I >> remember correctly, Tiger is a significantly larger system than >> Jaguar or Panther and seems to slow the older, slower systems down. >> (More memory might alleviate this problem, but that is not an option >> with these iBooks - they are both maxed on RAM). I'm planning to >> move it back to Panther because of this. That is, of course, unless >> some to the guys with more experience than me tell me I'm wrong and >> what I did to slow down my iBook besides upgrading to Tiger. > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From nagable at comcast.net Mon Sep 3 10:27:33 2007 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Mon Sep 3 10:28:01 2007 Subject: [G4] Gigabit Ethernet & memory Message-ID: <090320071727.17925.46DC4405000A507F0000460522165514060A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> It is possible to upgrade the "hidden" memory module to 512MB, but it's not a project for the faint of heart. Nate -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Daniel Tellier > No, I haven't. I'll look into it, though, and consider the > possibilities before I go back to Panther. > > Dan > > > On Monday, September 3, 2007, at 12:37 AM, Techpriest wrote: > > > Have you "tuned" OSX 4 to run better on the G3s? I found turning off > > many of the bells and whistles helped. > > > > Here is a good article with some tips to get all versions of OSX to > > run better on slower machines. > > > > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020221092653868 > > > > On Sep 2, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Daniel Tellier wrote: > >> > >> I also have two G3 iBooks, a 700 Mhz, with an 80Gb HD, and an 800 > >> Mhz, with a 30 Gb HD, both with 640Mb RAM. I upgraded the 700Mhz to > >> OSX 10.4 Tiger and its performance slowed considerably. If I > >> remember correctly, Tiger is a significantly larger system than > >> Jaguar or Panther and seems to slow the older, slower systems down. > >> (More memory might alleviate this problem, but that is not an option > >> with these iBooks - they are both maxed on RAM). I'm planning to > >> move it back to Panther because of this. That is, of course, unless > >> some to the guys with more experience than me tell me I'm wrong and > >> what I did to slow down my iBook besides upgrading to Tiger. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From cdt at globaldsl.net Mon Sep 3 11:18:44 2007 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (Daniel Tellier) Date: Mon Sep 3 11:19:53 2007 Subject: [G4] Gigabit Ethernet & memory In-Reply-To: <090320071727.17925.46DC4405000A507F0000460522165514060A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1B360E04-5A4A-11DC-842E-000393D3499C@globaldsl.net> Did you see my ears perk up when I read this?! Please point me in the right direction. I can't find anything online. I'm getting quite adventuresome with the iBooks (changing hard drives, cover reed switches, etc.) and that much memory sounds like it might be worth exploring. Dan On Monday, September 3, 2007, at 01:27 PM, nagable@comcast.net wrote: > It is possible to upgrade the "hidden" memory module to 512MB, but > it's not a project for the faint of heart. > > Nate > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Daniel Tellier >> No, I haven't. I'll look into it, though, and consider the >> possibilities before I go back to Panther. >> >> Dan >> >> >> On Monday, September 3, 2007, at 12:37 AM, Techpriest wrote: >> >>> Have you "tuned" OSX 4 to run better on the G3s? I found turning off >>> many of the bells and whistles helped. >>> >>> Here is a good article with some tips to get all versions of OSX to >>> run better on slower machines. >>> >>> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020221092653868 >>> >>> On Sep 2, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Daniel Tellier wrote: >>>> >>>> I also have two G3 iBooks, a 700 Mhz, with an 80Gb HD, and an 800 >>>> Mhz, with a 30 Gb HD, both with 640Mb RAM. I upgraded the 700Mhz to >>>> OSX 10.4 Tiger and its performance slowed considerably. If I >>>> remember correctly, Tiger is a significantly larger system than >>>> Jaguar or Panther and seems to slow the older, slower systems down. >>>> (More memory might alleviate this problem, but that is not an option >>>> with these iBooks - they are both maxed on RAM). I'm planning to >>>> move it back to Panther because of this. That is, of course, >>>> unless >>>> some to the guys with more experience than me tell me I'm wrong and >>>> what I did to slow down my iBook besides upgrading to Tiger. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From thekirkline1941 at verizon.net Mon Sep 3 12:47:58 2007 From: thekirkline1941 at verizon.net (thekirkline1941@verizon.net) Date: Mon Sep 3 12:48:36 2007 Subject: [G4] chickened out Message-ID: <29262940.16199571188848878620.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> Thanks again for the help in installing the PCI card and new hard drive. However, I chickened out when it came to putting in both 500 GB drives. Someone cautioned that that might be too much for the power supply. Consequently, I only installed the one drive and partitioned it into two 250 GB. This should suffice for a while. However, per the following--- "OR, another way to copy the contents and have the new copy as a bootable drive is to use Apple's own program, DiskUtility, and use the Restore function by selecting your original drive as the source and the new drive as the destination for the restoration."---I did just that. I must have overlooked something or did something incorrectly because now, when I delete something from my original drive, it is deleted from the backup as well. What should I do to prevent this from happening. Thanks. Jim Kirk From ewood at izoom.net Mon Sep 3 15:13:38 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Mon Sep 3 15:15:32 2007 Subject: [G4] chickened out In-Reply-To: <29262940.16199571188848878620.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> References: <29262940.16199571188848878620.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1188857618.7032.3.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> Hi Mr. Kirk, Maybe it'd just be best to pull the original drive out after you have it entirely backed up and just replace it with your other 500 GB drive. That would use no more power than what you're using now, and it's not likely that deleting a file on one drive will cause problems on the other. I had to play musical drives when I did my SATA upgrade. Threw one drive in, moved my system, then removed the old system drive and added the other SATA. Worked beautifully. I'm probably overly cautious if I advise against using three hard drives anyway, since Apple does provide three HD expansion bays. Or four in many cases. All that plus the optical slot and the zip-sized one beneath it... Why keep separate partitions? Eric On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 14:47 -0500, thekirkline1941@verizon.net wrote: > Thanks again for the help in installing the PCI card and new hard drive. However, I chickened out when it came to putting in both 500 GB drives. Someone cautioned that that might be too much for the power supply. Consequently, I only installed the one drive and partitioned it into two 250 GB. This should suffice for a while. However, per the following--- "OR, another way to copy the contents and have the > new copy as a bootable drive is to use Apple's own program, > DiskUtility, and use the Restore function by selecting your original > drive as the source and the new drive as the destination for the > restoration."---I did just that. I must have overlooked something or did something incorrectly because now, when I delete something from my original drive, it is deleted from the backup as well. What should I do to prevent this from happening. Thanks. > > Jim Kirk > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From obgraph at hiwaay.net Mon Sep 3 17:58:25 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Mon Sep 3 17:58:42 2007 Subject: [G4] chickened out In-Reply-To: <29262940.16199571188848878620.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> References: <29262940.16199571188848878620.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070903195825.507986.166d0fc0@hiwaay.net> On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:47:58 -0500 (CDT), thekirkline1941@verizon.net wrote: > Thanks again for the help in installing the PCI card and new hard > drive. However, I chickened out when it came to putting in both 500 > GB drives. Someone cautioned that that might be too much for the > power supply.... Why not just determine how much power is available above what is needed for running the rest of the computer components and how much power the drives pull. If they pull less power than what is provided, they should be OK. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From g4 at salemoregon.com Tue Sep 4 23:42:01 2007 From: g4 at salemoregon.com (g4@salemoregon.com) Date: Tue Sep 4 23:42:19 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Mirror Door 1.25 mhz User Manuals? Message-ID: <20070905064201.88198.qmail@mmm1431.rapidsite.net> Hello. New member. Can anyone point me toward the USER documentation that came with a new G4 1.25 mhz mirror door? I've searched and can't seem to find it in PDF or print. Thank you. Jonny From galilao at lava.net Wed Sep 5 00:34:56 2007 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Wed Sep 5 00:45:50 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Mirror Door 1.25 mhz User Manuals? In-Reply-To: <20070905064201.88198.qmail@mmm1431.rapidsite.net> Message-ID: g4@salemoregon.com9/4/07 8:42 PM > Hello. > > New member. > > Can anyone point me toward the USER documentation that came with a new G4 1.25 > mhz mirror door? I've searched and can't seem to find it in PDF or print. > > Thank you. > > Jonny > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > Hello, Try looking at this Ebay item number, 170145238209, Repair and Upgrade Manuals for Apple Powermac G3 G4 G5. Cordially, Bruce Ryan Nakamura From macsys at mac.com Wed Sep 5 04:15:02 2007 From: macsys at mac.com (wilkinw) Date: Wed Sep 5 05:16:06 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 Mirror Door 1.25 mhz User Manuals? In-Reply-To: <20070905064201.88198.qmail@mmm1431.rapidsite.net> References: <20070905064201.88198.qmail@mmm1431.rapidsite.net> Message-ID: <2DAD6576-A2CC-4615-9E93-436E89560952@mac.com> Have you tried: http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/powermac/ On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:42 AM, g4@salemoregon.com wrote: > Hello. > > New member. > > Can anyone point me toward the USER documentation that came with a > new G4 1.25 mhz mirror door? I've searched and can't seem to find > it in PDF or print. > > Thank you. > > Jonny > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From fast_primes at hotmail.com Wed Sep 5 12:43:03 2007 From: fast_primes at hotmail.com (Fast Primes) Date: Wed Sep 5 12:43:08 2007 Subject: [G4] registering used G4 with Apple? In-Reply-To: <20070902164640.4DEF814CE163@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: When one buys a used Mac, how do you contact Apple to let them know you are the new owner of serial# 9999 and may need one or more of the following: - software updates - clean install disks - manuals How does Apple look at users who have bought used machines? Thx. FP _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 From fast_primes at hotmail.com Wed Sep 5 12:48:57 2007 From: fast_primes at hotmail.com (Fast Primes) Date: Wed Sep 5 12:49:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers--Firefox, etc? Message-ID: I've installed the latest Mac version of Firefox, yet I still get frequent occurances of the beach-ball followed by a request to abort a Flash script. How can I disable Flash within Firefox? How safe is the latest version of Mac Internet Explorer? How do I get it? What about Safari as compared to the above? Is it safer/faster or better? Thx. FP _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed Sep 5 12:49:56 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed Sep 5 12:50:08 2007 Subject: [G4] registering used G4 with Apple? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <993985.24790.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ha, ha..... That's the best laugh I've had all day. It gave me the idea of writing to Bill Gates and aking for a free copy of Windows for my second-hand PC. John --- Fast Primes wrote: > When one buys a used Mac, how do you contact Apple > to let them know you are > the new owner of serial# 9999 and may need one or > more of the following: > > - software updates > - clean install disks > - manuals > > How does Apple look at users who have bought used > machines? > > Thx. > > FP > > _________________________________________________________________ > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool > activities at the Messenger > Caf?. > http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From wogears at comcast.net Wed Sep 5 12:58:53 2007 From: wogears at comcast.net (Les Berkley) Date: Wed Sep 5 12:59:20 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers--Firefox, etc? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c7eff7$36563b50$0502a8c0@Flaptop> Download and install the latest version of Adobe Flash Player. I had the same problem--this solved it. Les > -----Original Message----- > From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4- > bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Fast Primes > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:49 PM > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Subject: [G4] Browsers--Firefox, etc? > > I've installed the latest Mac version of Firefox, yet I still get frequent > occurances of the beach-ball followed by a request to abort a Flash > script. > How can I disable Flash within Firefox? > > How safe is the latest version of Mac Internet Explorer? How do I get it? > > What about Safari as compared to the above? Is it safer/faster or better? > > Thx. > > FP > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with > 5GB storage. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- > us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 > 10:36 PM > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/990 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 10:36 PM From smally at knology.net Wed Sep 5 13:09:47 2007 From: smally at knology.net (Richard Smallwood) Date: Wed Sep 5 13:10:05 2007 Subject: [G4] Changing Application preferences - FireFox Message-ID: <61aaa28b2064e37d0a8472c69abb05a7@knology.net> I have attempted to add/change the application to open pdf files. I get to the window to add a new application to "help" FireFox 2.0.0.6 and that is as far as I get. Any help will be appreciated. Richard G4 MDD 1.25 Ghz, OSX 10.3.9. From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed Sep 5 13:18:41 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed Sep 5 13:18:52 2007 Subject: [G4] Browsers--Firefox, etc? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <321382.38730.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> FF, M$ stopped supporting Mac versions of Exploder a long time ago. Why should they when Apple have Safari? I think Safari seems fast, but is not always compatible with some websites. For a while I was using it but, now I use Firefox (currently 2.0.0.6), because it works on OS 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4 (and any PC's I encounter), whereas Apple have made it impossible to use the latest Safari if you are not using the latest OS. I would guess that the spinning pinwheels are an OS problem. Anyway you don't say what machine you have, how much memory, or which OS you are currently using. That would be helpful. I believe that one should always re-load the s/w on a used machine. If you don't have a copy of the OS then you should buy it (either used or new). If you have enough ram you can run Tiger well on a G4. Cheers, John --- Fast Primes wrote: > I've installed the latest Mac version of Firefox, > yet I still get frequent > occurances of the beach-ball followed by a request > to abort a Flash script. > How can I disable Flash within Firefox? > > How safe is the latest version of Mac Internet > Explorer? How do I get it? > > What about Safari as compared to the above? Is it > safer/faster or better? > > Thx. > > FP > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From obgraph at hiwaay.net Wed Sep 5 14:03:12 2007 From: obgraph at hiwaay.net (O'Brien) Date: Wed Sep 5 14:03:36 2007 Subject: [G4] registering used G4 with Apple? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070905160312.164645.923284c1@hiwaay.net> On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:43:03 -0400, Fast Primes wrote: > When one buys a used Mac, how do you contact Apple to let them know > you are the new owner I don't think you do. I've never heard of this. > > How does Apple look at users who have bought used machines? Do they care? Actually, I imagine they would prefer everyone to buy a NEW Mac. :-) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From baltwo at san.rr.com Wed Sep 5 14:04:15 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Wed Sep 5 14:04:31 2007 Subject: [G4] registering used G4 with Apple? In-Reply-To: <20070905201858.D838F150C932@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070905201858.D838F150C932@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 09/05/07, "Fast Primes" wrote: > > When one buys a used Mac, how do you contact Apple to let them know you are > the new owner of serial# 9999 and may need one or more of the following: > > - software updates > - clean install disks > - manuals > > How does Apple look at users who have bought used machines? First thing to do is contact the seller and get the manuals and original disks. Buying an used machine wtihout those is like buying an auto with out a spare tire and jack. If that's impossible, then contact Apple at 1-800-MY-APPLE, register the machine, and request the original disks. There will be a nominal cost. As for manuals, check at . Software updates are downloadable from . From douglist at macnauchtan.com Wed Sep 5 14:16:41 2007 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Wed Sep 5 14:16:58 2007 Subject: [G4] registering used G4 with Apple? In-Reply-To: References: <20070905201858.D838F150C932@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: At 14:04 -0700 9/5/07, John Baltutis wrote: >. Software updates are >downloadable from . If your machine finds itself on the internet and you make the right preference choices it will register itself with Apple. I was shocked a few weeks ago when a 5500 running OS 9.1 asked me to approve an update. I use the machine once a month or so mostly to talk to lab equipment with its serial port but it duly checked for updates and found one. -- --> From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. <-- From nomorebush at mac.com Wed Sep 5 15:12:13 2007 From: nomorebush at mac.com (Jim Davis) Date: Wed Sep 5 15:12:18 2007 Subject: [G4] registering used G4 with Apple? In-Reply-To: <993985.24790.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <993985.24790.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8B8AFBBC-0114-1000-E1CC-82CD0DB5EBBE-Webmail-10024@mac.com> That was just rude, John Niven. He didn't say he was looking for anything for free. If you don't have something constructive to contribute, just keep it to yourself, please. On Wednesday, September 05, 2007, at 03:50PM, "John Niven" wrote: >Ha, ha..... > >That's the best laugh I've had all day. > >It gave me the idea of writing to Bill Gates and aking >for a free copy of Windows for my second-hand PC. > >John > >--- Fast Primes wrote: > >> When one buys a used Mac, how do you contact Apple >> to let them know you are >> the new owner of serial# 9999 and may need one or >> more of the following: >> >> - software updates >> - clean install disks >> - manuals >> >> How does Apple look at users who have bought used >> machines? >> >> Thx. >> >> FP >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> Kick back and relax with hot games and cool >> activities at the Messenger >> Caf?. >> >http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed Sep 5 15:27:32 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed Sep 5 15:27:40 2007 Subject: [G4] registering used G4 with Apple? In-Reply-To: <8B8AFBBC-0114-1000-E1CC-82CD0DB5EBBE-Webmail-10024@mac.com> Message-ID: <730087.53284.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You're very easily offended, Jim. I hope the OP will be very happy with OS 8.6. John --- Jim Davis wrote: > That was just rude, John Niven. > He didn't say he was looking for anything for free. > If you don't have something constructive to > contribute, > just keep it to yourself, please. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From mmclain9 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 5 18:35:03 2007 From: mmclain9 at yahoo.com (Mark McLain) Date: Wed Sep 5 18:35:08 2007 Subject: [G4] video card upgrade Message-ID: <918695.89487.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello to all on the G4 listserver! Here's my question: What videocard 'type' is better for my 450MHz G4 AGP and, more importantly, where can info be obtained helping me to understand the pros and cons of 'why'? It seems that the ATI and NVIDEA cards are the only game in town for this machine. Here's my machine stats: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) Number Of CPUs: 1 CPU Speed: 450 MHz (Yeah, I know this needs to be faster than 500MHz) L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB Memory: 1.5 GB Bus Speed: 100 MHz Boot ROM Version: 3.2.6f1 (Yes, I'll boot up in OS9 and update this, 'reel soon') Chipset Model: ATY,Rage128Pro (This is what I want to change.) Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-A VRAM (Total): 16 MB System Version: Mac OS X 10.4.10 (8R218) (Runs GREAT! Use 'Macaroni' to keep it running clean and fast) Kernel Version: Darwin 8.10.0 Name: ADPT,2930CU Type: scsi Bus: PCI Slot: SLOT-B (Use this to run two small SCSI drives) pci9005,31f: (This is my USB 2.0 card - for my Ralink WLAN and connect to my ipod dock ) Bus: PCI Slot: SLOT-C PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D: (the dual layer dvd burner) Thanks for the consideration, info and help, Mark McLain Lead Electrician, APSU ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070905/0367ae18/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed Sep 5 20:40:11 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed Sep 5 20:40:19 2007 Subject: [G4] video card upgrade In-Reply-To: <918695.89487.qm@web50810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <997004.27170.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark, one problem with the "AGP" is it's only a "x2" slot while many cards are x4 or x8. The problem is not the speed though, but the signal levels. You may damage a x8 AGP card. I don't really know how much you should spend on an upgrade, but getting one that will support Quartz Extreme would probablyy be a good idea for not much money. I'd look at eBay for a flashed PC card. John PS the only thing better than a 450Mhz G4 is two 450Mhz G4's (in the same box)! :-) --- Mark McLain wrote: > Hello to all on the G4 listserver! > > Here's my question: What videocard 'type' is better > for my 450MHz G4 AGP and, more importantly, where > can info be obtained helping me to understand the > pros and cons of 'why'? It seems that the ATI and > NVIDEA cards are the only game in town for this > machine. > Here's my machine stats: > Machine Name: Power Mac G4 (AGP graphics) > Machine Model: PowerMac3,1 > CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.9) > Number Of CPUs: 1 > CPU Speed: 450 MHz (Yeah, I know this needs to > be faster than 500MHz) > L2 Cache (per CPU): 1 MB > Memory: 1.5 GB > Bus Speed: 100 MHz > Boot ROM Version: 3.2.6f1 (Yes, I'll boot up in > OS9 and update this, 'reel soon') > > Chipset Model: ATY,Rage128Pro (This is what I > want to change.) > Type: Display > Bus: AGP > Slot: SLOT-A > VRAM (Total): 16 MB > > System Version: Mac OS X 10.4.10 (8R218) (Runs > GREAT! Use 'Macaroni' to keep it running clean and > fast) > Kernel Version: Darwin 8.10.0 > > Name: ADPT,2930CU > Type: scsi > Bus: PCI > Slot: SLOT-B (Use this to run two small SCSI > drives) > > pci9005,31f: (This is my USB 2.0 card - for my > Ralink WLAN and connect to my ipod dock ) > Bus: PCI > Slot: SLOT-C > > PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D: (the dual layer dvd > burner) > > Thanks for the consideration, info and help, > > Mark McLain > Lead Electrician, APSU > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready > for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/> _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From senseamp at yahoo.com Thu Sep 6 10:42:40 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Thu Sep 6 10:42:49 2007 Subject: [G4] The new iPods. Message-ID: <567904.39344.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> They all require USB 2.0, and 10.4.10 so it looks like older system users are getting frozen out (unless you are a windows user, then you can still use the old XP). Does that seem fair? What happened to FireWire? Technically I don't see why older Macs can't run iPods. It's not tough. Shame I quite like the look of a iPod touch. John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From badhawk at comcast.net Thu Sep 6 13:35:15 2007 From: badhawk at comcast.net (Warren Hemple) Date: Thu Sep 6 13:35:31 2007 Subject: [G4] registering used G4 with Apple? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448B73A4-BCA5-4405-A017-EA9B82C94EA2@comcast.net> You can register it. Apple could care less but they do email you thanking you. Go to ebay for OS Some disk are for specific machines so read description On Sep 5, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Fast Primes wrote: > When one buys a used Mac, how do you contact Apple to let them know > you are the new owner of serial# 9999 and may need one or more of > the following: > > - software updates > - clean install disks > - manuals > > How does Apple look at users who have bought used machines? > > Thx. > > FP > > _________________________________________________________________ > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the > Messenger Caf?. http://www.cafemessenger.com? > ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From richspk at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 13:57:21 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Sep 6 13:57:28 2007 Subject: [G4] The new iPods. In-Reply-To: <567904.39344.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <567904.39344.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30709061357o7c2fd479n20ff6028594e9db3@mail.gmail.com> Despite what the specs may or may not say (I haven't looked at them), I would think you could use the new iPods with USB 1.1. It'll just be slower than molasses. That is a shame about the lack of a FireWire option, though. -- Rich On 9/6/07, John Niven wrote: > They all require USB 2.0, and 10.4.10 so it looks like > older system users are getting frozen out (unless you > are a windows user, then you can still use the old > XP). Does that seem fair? > > What happened to FireWire? Technically I don't see why > older Macs can't run iPods. It's not tough. > > Shame I quite like the look of a iPod touch. From emaxxx4 at warpmail.net Thu Sep 6 13:57:16 2007 From: emaxxx4 at warpmail.net (Eric Buczynski) Date: Thu Sep 6 13:58:21 2007 Subject: [G4] registering used G4 with Apple? Message-ID: <4958EFA0-6BCD-4AE7-9FC1-E0786FB256EC@warpmail.net> I did it with mine, plus when I put in a replacement hard drive it wanted me to register again. The best part is that I got a free 6- issue subscription to the electronic version of Macworld. If you're looking for the technical manuals (tear down and individual part numbers) I have those too (for free). Eric On Sep 5, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Fast Primes wrote: > When one buys a used Mac, how do you contact Apple to let them know > you are the new owner of serial# 9999 and may need one or more of > the following: > > - software updates > - clean install disks > - manuals > > How does Apple look at users who have bought used machines? > > Thx. > > FP > From baltwo at san.rr.com Thu Sep 6 13:58:53 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Thu Sep 6 13:59:02 2007 Subject: [G4] video card upgrade In-Reply-To: <20070906203530.4B2DE15230AC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070906203530.4B2DE15230AC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 09/05/07, Mark McLain wrote: > > Here's my question: What videocard 'type' is better for my 450MHz G4 AGP >and, more importantly, where can info be obtained helping me to understand >the pros and cons of 'why'? It seems that the ATI and NVIDEA cards are the >only game in town for this machine. When my Rage 128Pro video card in my G4, 450 MP Gigabit machine went south two years ago, the Apple Store replaced it with a NVIDIA GeForce4 MX card. It or a comparable card should work. From earle.jones at comcast.net Thu Sep 6 16:47:19 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Thu Sep 6 16:47:24 2007 Subject: [G4] Copying DVD Message-ID: <2BA6ED55-799A-46FB-9DB7-D67CFBB1862D@comcast.net> I had a big DVD to copy (the running time was two hours plus -- about =20= 4 GB). I have System X 10.4.10 -- Intel iMac 1.8 GHz -- 2GB RAM -- 1 TB HD. I tried Carbon Copy Cloner with no success -- after spending 25 =20 minutes copying, I got a "failure to copy" error. When I checked the =20= disks they would not open with 'DVD Player'. I talked to a recently retired Apple friend who told me to use the =20 Mac 'Disk Utility'. 1. Insert the DVD to be copied. 2. Use 'Disk Utility' ('New Image') to create a disk image. 3. The name of the new disk image will appear in the 'Disk Utility' =20 list. 4. Select it and click on 'Burn'. 5. You will be prompted to insert a blank DVD disk. 6. When it is ready, click on Burn. For the 4GB DVD it took about 25 minutes to record the track and =20 about 6 minutes to verify. I used HP Double Layer DVD+R 2.4x disks (at about $2.50 each!) The HP Single layer DVD-R 16x disks did not work as well (at $.36 each) Since I needed ten copies, I spend just about all day doing all this. Is there an easier (and cheaper) way? Thanks, earle * _______________________ Earle Jones =F0 earle.jones@comcast.net 650-854-1489 From jimash at optonline.net Thu Sep 6 17:37:12 2007 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Thu Sep 6 17:37:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Copying DVD In-Reply-To: <2BA6ED55-799A-46FB-9DB7-D67CFBB1862D@comcast.net> References: <2BA6ED55-799A-46FB-9DB7-D67CFBB1862D@comcast.net> Message-ID: If you only have one drive, you can only make one at a time. at whatever speed the disks and drive can both go at. I have a 16x dirve so I can make my copies at roughly and =20 theoretically 12-16x real time, But the disks must also be 16x. And cheaper than what ? Using free or included software ? CCC, I wouldn't use for this. Many of us use Toast,, which does make =20 it easier. But the disk utility way seems just fine if that is what you are doing. If as you imply the data is 4gb, double layer is a waste of cash. On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Earle Jones wrote: > I had a big DVD to copy (the running time was two hours plus -- =20 > about 4 GB). > > I have System X 10.4.10 -- Intel iMac 1.8 GHz -- 2GB RAM -- 1 TB HD. > > I tried Carbon Copy Cloner with no success -- after spending 25 =20 > minutes copying, I got a "failure to copy" error. When I checked =20 > the disks they would not open with 'DVD Player'. > > I talked to a recently retired Apple friend who told me to use the =20 > Mac 'Disk Utility'. > > 1. Insert the DVD to be copied. > 2. Use 'Disk Utility' ('New Image') to create a disk image. > 3. The name of the new disk image will appear in the 'Disk =20 > Utility' list. > 4. Select it and click on 'Burn'. > 5. You will be prompted to insert a blank DVD disk. > 6. When it is ready, click on Burn. > > For the 4GB DVD it took about 25 minutes to record the track and =20 > about 6 minutes to verify. > > I used HP Double Layer DVD+R 2.4x disks (at about $2.50 each!) > The HP Single layer DVD-R 16x disks did not work as well (at $.36 =20 > each) > > Since I needed ten copies, I spend just about all day doing all this. > > Is there an easier (and cheaper) way? > > Thanks, > > earle > * > _______________________ > Earle Jones =F0 > earle.jones@comcast.net > 650-854-1489 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ewood at izoom.net Thu Sep 6 17:42:10 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Thu Sep 6 17:42:18 2007 Subject: [G4] Copying DVD In-Reply-To: <2BA6ED55-799A-46FB-9DB7-D67CFBB1862D@comcast.net> References: <2BA6ED55-799A-46FB-9DB7-D67CFBB1862D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1189125730.3186.1.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> I'm not sure how you'd get cheaper than Apple's own Disk Utility, and as for easier, you'd need some special hardware to make multiple copies, right? Are you asking about copying many different discs or making multiple copies of one disc? Eric On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 16:47 -0700, Earle Jones wrote: > I had a big DVD to copy (the running time was two hours plus -- about > 4 GB). > > I have System X 10.4.10 -- Intel iMac 1.8 GHz -- 2GB RAM -- 1 TB HD. > > I tried Carbon Copy Cloner with no success -- after spending 25 > minutes copying, I got a "failure to copy" error. When I checked the > disks they would not open with 'DVD Player'. > > I talked to a recently retired Apple friend who told me to use the > Mac 'Disk Utility'. > > 1. Insert the DVD to be copied. > 2. Use 'Disk Utility' ('New Image') to create a disk image. > 3. The name of the new disk image will appear in the 'Disk Utility' > list. > 4. Select it and click on 'Burn'. > 5. You will be prompted to insert a blank DVD disk. > 6. When it is ready, click on Burn. > > For the 4GB DVD it took about 25 minutes to record the track and > about 6 minutes to verify. > > I used HP Double Layer DVD+R 2.4x disks (at about $2.50 each!) > The HP Single layer DVD-R 16x disks did not work as well (at $.36 each) > > Since I needed ten copies, I spend just about all day doing all this. > > Is there an easier (and cheaper) way? > > Thanks, > > earle > * > _______________________ > Earle Jones ? > earle.jones@comcast.net > 650-854-1489 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From m3gunner at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 09:17:06 2007 From: m3gunner at sbcglobal.net (Jamie Pruden) Date: Fri Sep 7 09:17:23 2007 Subject: [G4] Copying DVD In-Reply-To: <2BA6ED55-799A-46FB-9DB7-D67CFBB1862D@comcast.net> References: <2BA6ED55-799A-46FB-9DB7-D67CFBB1862D@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Earle, Cheaper: nope. Easier: Roxio Toast 6 or later will automate the process completely. Go to Copy. Insert your disk. Click the copy button. Tell Toast to do 10. Click Go. When it spits out your original disk, put the first blank DVD in. Repeat for the rest of the copies. smiles, Jamie On Sep 6, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Earle Jones wrote: > Since I needed ten copies, I spend just about all day doing all this. > > Is there an easier (and cheaper) way? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070907/e5f8419c/attachment.html From dictator at rebargraphics.com Fri Sep 7 13:05:16 2007 From: dictator at rebargraphics.com (jim carbone) Date: Fri Sep 7 13:05:28 2007 Subject: [G4] File transfer speed Message-ID: <28274102-4C2B-47B8-A127-D5D19BC7FDCE@rebargraphics.com> Hi all, I recently upgraded my main machine to a G5 and relegated my G4 dual 1.25 MDD to another room, though I still connect to it to get files off the four built-in drives. For a while, I had it connected to my LAN via its built-in Airport Extreme card and all was good. I couldn't wake it up remotely with the wireless card, though, so I changed it to a wired connection. Now, I'm finding that it's so much slower, when I thought it would be the other way around. I know my information is vague, but is this normal? Any hints on where to start looking to speed this connection up? Thanks, --jim From daveg65 at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 00:37:00 2007 From: daveg65 at comcast.net (daveg65@comcast.net) Date: Mon Sep 10 00:37:30 2007 Subject: [G4] The new iPods. References: <567904.39344.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <69ce86c30709061357o7c2fd479n20ff6028594e9db3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01c7f37d$603535f0$209fa1d0$@net> If you install a USB 2.0 PCI card in your G4 the iPod should work fine. I installed one since I wanted USB 2.0 in my machine and I have been using it without issues for a while. -----Original Message----- From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Richard Klein Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:57 PM To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Subject: Re: [G4] The new iPods. Despite what the specs may or may not say (I haven't looked at them), I would think you could use the new iPods with USB 1.1. It'll just be slower than molasses. That is a shame about the lack of a FireWire option, though. -- Rich On 9/6/07, John Niven wrote: > They all require USB 2.0, and 10.4.10 so it looks like > older system users are getting frozen out (unless you > are a windows user, then you can still use the old > XP). Does that seem fair? > > What happened to FireWire? Technically I don't see why > older Macs can't run iPods. It's not tough. > > Shame I quite like the look of a iPod touch. _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 05:58:25 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Sep 10 05:58:36 2007 Subject: [G4] The new iPods. In-Reply-To: <000a01c7f37d$603535f0$209fa1d0$@net> Message-ID: <235969.14119.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> That's fine for most people, but there are only three PCI slots and I bought a Firewire 800 card instead to drive a FW800 external hard drive box. The other two slots have an Audiomedia III sound card, and a ATTO UL3D scsi card. I just think it's a shame that Apple have dropped the firewire support, just because they are pandering to PC users. John --- daveg65@comcast.net wrote: > If you install a USB 2.0 PCI card in your G4 the > iPod should work fine. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From douglist at macnauchtan.com Mon Sep 10 07:25:28 2007 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Mon Sep 10 07:25:39 2007 Subject: [G4] The new iPods. In-Reply-To: <235969.14119.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <235969.14119.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 05:58 -0700 9/10/07, John Niven wrote: >I just think it's a shame that Apple have dropped the >firewire support, just because they are pandering to >PC users. Intel "owns" USB and likely demands royalties. Steve "owns" a competitive product - Firewire Steve wants to cut a deal with Intel to use its microprocessors. Pandering to politically correct USERS??? I still want to know the details of AT&T/Cingular's kickback arrangements in re iPhone. All that prepared using a nice ADB keyboard that Apple built while performance was the goal. -- --> If you are presented a number as a percentage, and you do not clearly understand the numerator and the denominator involved, you are surely being lied to. <-- From daveg65 at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 07:42:25 2007 From: daveg65 at comcast.net (David Ginsburg) Date: Mon Sep 10 07:42:38 2007 Subject: [G4] The new iPods. In-Reply-To: References: <235969.14119.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is a shame. They dropped firewire support in the 4th Gen models so it has been at least 3 years since its been dropped so this is nothing new. USB is more standard because many PC's do not have firewire. So to add fuel to the fire here Steve looks at the bottom line and sees more sales of iPods from PC customers so eliminate the firewire support to cu the cost even more and charge the same prices.... On 9/10/07, Doug McNutt wrote: > > At 05:58 -0700 9/10/07, John Niven wrote: > >I just think it's a shame that Apple have dropped the > >firewire support, just because they are pandering to > >PC users. > > Intel "owns" USB and likely demands royalties. > > Steve "owns" a competitive product - Firewire > > Steve wants to cut a deal with Intel to use its microprocessors. > > Pandering to politically correct USERS??? > > I still want to know the details of AT&T/Cingular's kickback arrangements > in re iPhone. > > All that prepared using a nice ADB keyboard that Apple built while > performance was the goal. > > -- > --> If you are presented a number as a percentage, and you do not clearly > understand the numerator and the denominator involved, you are surely being > lied to. <-- > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070910/1ad8290a/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 08:15:13 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Sep 10 08:15:20 2007 Subject: [G4] The new iPods. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <522659.11103.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Oh! I'm still using my original 512Mb Shuffle, so I didn't know this was old news :-) A Firewire compatible dock would have been nice as an option though. I still think Firewire is a better technology. Still, Hi-Tech is replete with such lost causes. John --- David Ginsburg wrote: > It is a shame. They dropped firewire support in the > 4th Gen models so it has > been at least 3 years since its been dropped so this > is nothing new. USB is > more standard because many PC's do not have > firewire. So to add fuel to the > fire here Steve looks at the bottom line and sees > more sales of iPods from > PC customers so eliminate the firewire support to cu > the cost even more and > charge the same prices.... > > On 9/10/07, Doug McNutt > wrote: > > > > At 05:58 -0700 9/10/07, John Niven wrote: > > >I just think it's a shame that Apple have dropped > the > > >firewire support, just because they are pandering > to > > >PC users. > > > > Intel "owns" USB and likely demands royalties. > > > > Steve "owns" a competitive product - Firewire > > > > Steve wants to cut a deal with Intel to use its > microprocessors. > > > > Pandering to politically correct USERS??? > > > > I still want to know the details of > AT&T/Cingular's kickback arrangements > > in re iPhone. > > > > All that prepared using a nice ADB keyboard that > Apple built while > > performance was the goal. > > > > -- > > --> If you are presented a number as a percentage, > and you do not clearly > > understand the numerator and the denominator > involved, you are surely being > > lied to. <-- > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From odoketa at yahoo.com Mon Sep 10 10:48:26 2007 From: odoketa at yahoo.com (David Barber) Date: Mon Sep 10 10:48:36 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: Copying DVD Message-ID: <362364.12210.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, As others have noted, without multiple drives you're not going to speed things up much. You could write an image to your hard drive, and burn from that - I'm not clear from your message if that's what you're doing. That'll save re-inserting the original disk after each burn. You could also script the whole thing in the shell, loop it checking the exit code after each write, and then you would swap disks and press enter (or whatever) to start the next burn. But that's not all that much easier than using disk utility (especially if you aren't good with shell scripts). David ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:47:19 -0700 From: Earle Jones Subject: [G4] Copying DVD To: "A G4 computers. place to discuss Apple's" , macosx-support@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <2BA6ED55-799A-46FB-9DB7-D67CFBB1862D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=MACINTOSH; delsp=yes; format=flowed I had a big DVD to copy (the running time was two hours plus -- about 4 GB). I have System X 10.4.10 -- Intel iMac 1.8 GHz -- 2GB RAM -- 1 TB HD. I tried Carbon Copy Cloner with no success -- after spending 25 minutes copying, I got a "failure to copy" error. When I checked the disks they would not open with 'DVD Player'. I talked to a recently retired Apple friend who told me to use the Mac 'Disk Utility'. 1. Insert the DVD to be copied. 2. Use 'Disk Utility' ('New Image') to create a disk image. 3. The name of the new disk image will appear in the 'Disk Utility' list. 4. Select it and click on 'Burn'. 5. You will be prompted to insert a blank DVD disk. 6. When it is ready, click on Burn. For the 4GB DVD it took about 25 minutes to record the track and about 6 minutes to verify. I used HP Double Layer DVD+R 2.4x disks (at about $2.50 each!) The HP Single layer DVD-R 16x disks did not work as well (at $.36 each) Since I needed ten copies, I spend just about all day doing all this. Is there an easier (and cheaper) way? Thanks, earle * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070910/d7d7ec37/attachment.html From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 09:58:58 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick Ramsowr) Date: Tue Sep 11 09:59:08 2007 Subject: [G4] Safari Bookmark issues and pinwheels... Message-ID: Morning All Looks as if I've developed a problem with Safari 3.0... I've the ability to Bookmark... every time I try the program lock up and the pinwheel starts to spin... Anyone have a fix... It's starting to drive me nuts... Thanks for any solutions in advance... Rich therepguy Houston -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070911/523c4071/attachment.html From briang113 at pacbell.net Tue Sep 11 10:25:22 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Tue Sep 11 10:25:29 2007 Subject: [G4] Safari Bookmark issues and pinwheels... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0218B596-2A8C-47FC-8FCF-46EA2BC42F50@pacbell.net> Well, since it is a beta version have you reported the bug and or checked the Apple site for known issues and fixes? You could try reseting Safari or delete the Safari plist see if that helps. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Sep 11, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > Morning All > > Looks as if I've developed a problem with Safari 3.0... > > I've the ability to Bookmark... every time I try the program lock > up and the pinwheel starts to spin... > > Anyone have a fix... > > It's starting to drive me nuts... > > Thanks for any solutions in advance... > > Rich therepguy > Houston > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ewood at izoom.net Tue Sep 11 19:30:01 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Tue Sep 11 19:31:13 2007 Subject: [G4] Safari Bookmark issues and pinwheels... In-Reply-To: <0218B596-2A8C-47FC-8FCF-46EA2BC42F50@pacbell.net> References: <0218B596-2A8C-47FC-8FCF-46EA2BC42F50@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <1189564202.17828.1.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> Yup, find your bookmarks prefs and at least try moving them out of their proper place, and try it again. Move the entire prefs folder if that doesn't work, and try yet again. I'd suspect a corrupt file or a permissions issue. Come to think of it, maybe have disk utility verify your file system and permissions. Long shot, but ya never know. Eric On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 10:25 -0700, B G wrote: > Well, since it is a beta version have you reported the bug and or > checked the Apple site for known issues and fixes? > > You could try reseting Safari or delete the Safari plist see if that > helps. > > > Brian > > G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM > > On Sep 11, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Rick Ramsowr wrote: > > > Morning All > > > > Looks as if I've developed a problem with Safari 3.0... > > > > I've the ability to Bookmark... every time I try the program lock > > up and the pinwheel starts to spin... > > > > Anyone have a fix... > > > > It's starting to drive me nuts... > > > > Thanks for any solutions in advance... > > > > Rich therepguy > > Houston > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From knaffc at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 12 05:06:12 2007 From: knaffc at bellsouth.net (Calvin Knaff) Date: Wed Sep 12 05:06:21 2007 Subject: [G4] Safari Bookmark issues and pinwheels... In-Reply-To: <1189564202.17828.1.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> References: <0218B596-2A8C-47FC-8FCF-46EA2BC42F50@pacbell.net> <1189564202.17828.1.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> Message-ID: <11928F62-4155-4F16-8455-5089226341D2@bellsouth.net> If all else fails, Upgrade to version Safari 3.0.3, my computer would not boot version 3.0, I haven't any problems since v 3.0.3.. Calvin On Sep 11, 2007, at 10:30 PM, Eric Wood wrote: >>> Thanks for any solutions in advance... >>> >>> Rich therepguy >>> Houston -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070912/19a4f7d6/attachment.html From fast_primes at hotmail.com Wed Sep 12 13:01:50 2007 From: fast_primes at hotmail.com (Fast Primes) Date: Wed Sep 12 13:02:06 2007 Subject: [G4] copying a movie DVD? In-Reply-To: <20070912023120.F0EC515A2518@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: How does one copy a movie DVD (say from Blockbuster) on a Mac? It's rather convoluted with MS Windows! FP _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ From brettcaven at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 13:07:16 2007 From: brettcaven at gmail.com (Brett Caven) Date: Wed Sep 12 13:07:39 2007 Subject: [G4] copying a movie DVD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <703A2D4C-1D1B-4CE0-9EA2-D22AC9E5A099@gmail.com> One wouldn't... As we call this "piracy" and is illegal in Canada, the United States, and/or other countries... --- -Brett On 12/Sep/07, at 5:01 PM, Fast Primes wrote: > How does one copy a movie DVD (say from Blockbuster) on a Mac? It's > rather convoluted with MS Windows! > > FP > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft? Office > Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From fast_primes at hotmail.com Wed Sep 12 13:13:49 2007 From: fast_primes at hotmail.com (Fast Primes) Date: Wed Sep 12 13:13:57 2007 Subject: [G4] Firefox dmg install? In-Reply-To: <20070912023120.F0EC515A2518@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, In attempting to install Firefox, I found myself having to re-install it all the time. Here's what I do: - click on the firefox--xyz.dmg file - the system works on this a few seconds - then it presents me with a screen with the Firefox icon, a pointing arrow, and the Applications folder icon - clicking on the Firefox icon in the above box installs Firefox in the dock with it bouncing a bit (until complete?) However, on powering up, Firefox is NOT in the dock (nor in the Applications folder)--neccessitating that I repeat the above steps! What am I doing wrong here? Thanks. FP _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 From brettcaven at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 13:19:06 2007 From: brettcaven at gmail.com (Brett Caven) Date: Wed Sep 12 13:19:21 2007 Subject: [G4] Firefox dmg install? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <101D1767-7852-44D8-8243-7C269694EE8C@gmail.com> Did you move the Firefox icon into the Applications folder... (the most popular way to install apps on Mac OS X)... If you just double click it, you are only running it from the disk image. --- -Brett On 12/Sep/07, at 5:13 PM, Fast Primes wrote: > Hi Folks, > > In attempting to install Firefox, I found myself having to re- > install it all the time. Here's what I do: > > - click on the firefox--xyz.dmg file > - the system works on this a few seconds > - then it presents me with a screen with the Firefox icon, > a pointing arrow, and the Applications folder icon > - clicking on the Firefox icon in the above box installs Firefox > in the dock with it bouncing a bit (until complete?) > > However, on powering up, Firefox is NOT in the dock (nor in the > Applications folder)--neccessitating that I repeat the above steps! > What am I doing wrong here? > > Thanks. > > FP > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - > NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/? > locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From richspk at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 13:27:50 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Wed Sep 12 13:28:02 2007 Subject: [G4] Firefox dmg install? In-Reply-To: <101D1767-7852-44D8-8243-7C269694EE8C@gmail.com> References: <101D1767-7852-44D8-8243-7C269694EE8C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30709121327p29e93777n4df21ca7b755bab7@mail.gmail.com> Yup. I'm pretty much re-stating what Brett already said, but after: - then it presents me with a screen with the Firefox icon, a pointing arrow, and the Applications folder icon You should drag the Firefox icon onto the Applications folder icon and drop it there. -- Rich On 9/12/07, Brett Caven wrote: > Did you move the Firefox icon into the Applications folder... (the > most popular way to install apps on Mac OS X)... If you just double > click it, you are only running it from the disk image. > --- > -Brett > > > On 12/Sep/07, at 5:13 PM, Fast Primes wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > In attempting to install Firefox, I found myself having to re- > > install it all the time. Here's what I do: > > > > - click on the firefox--xyz.dmg file > > - the system works on this a few seconds > > - then it presents me with a screen with the Firefox icon, > > a pointing arrow, and the Applications folder icon > > - clicking on the Firefox icon in the above box installs Firefox > > in the dock with it bouncing a bit (until complete?) > > > > However, on powering up, Firefox is NOT in the dock (nor in the > > Applications folder)--neccessitating that I repeat the above steps! > > What am I doing wrong here? > > > > Thanks. > > > > FP > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - > > NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/? > > locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 14:49:59 2007 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed Sep 12 14:50:45 2007 Subject: [G4] Firefox dmg install? In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30709121327p29e93777n4df21ca7b755bab7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <268859.70854.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yup to both :-) but add: Once you have dragged the icon to the applications folder, and waited for it to finish copying, you should click on the icon (in the apps folder) and drag it to the dock. It will then be available to launch from the dock. BTW any icon in the dock that you do not regularly use can be safely dragged to the trash. The application will still be available in the apps folder, so you can drag it back to the dock later if you want. That way you can keep your dock uncluttered, and have all your most used apps to hand. Good luck, John --- Richard Klein wrote: > Yup. I'm pretty much re-stating what Brett already > said, but after: > - then it presents me with a screen with the > Firefox icon, > a pointing arrow, and the Applications folder > icon > You should drag the Firefox icon onto the > Applications folder icon and > drop it there. > > -- > Rich > > On 9/12/07, Brett Caven > wrote: > > Did you move the Firefox icon into the > Applications folder... (the > > most popular way to install apps on Mac OS X)... > If you just double > > click it, you are only running it from the disk > image. > > --- > > -Brett > > > > > > On 12/Sep/07, at 5:13 PM, Fast Primes wrote: > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > In attempting to install Firefox, I found myself > having to re- > > > install it all the time. Here's what I do: > > > > > > - click on the firefox--xyz.dmg file > > > - the system works on this a few seconds > > > - then it presents me with a screen with > the Firefox icon, > > > a pointing arrow, and the Applications > folder icon > > > - clicking on the Firefox icon in the above > box installs Firefox > > > in the dock with it bouncing a bit (until > complete?) > > > > > > However, on powering up, Firefox is NOT in the > dock (nor in the > > > Applications folder)--neccessitating that I > repeat the above steps! > > > What am I doing wrong here? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > FP > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > More photos; more messages; more whatever. > Windows Live Hotmail - > > > NOW with 5GB storage. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/? > > > > locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > G4 mailing list > > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From ewood at izoom.net Wed Sep 12 16:15:46 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Wed Sep 12 16:37:04 2007 Subject: [G4] Firefox dmg install? In-Reply-To: <268859.70854.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <268859.70854.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1189638946.6959.3.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> Correction: You can drag an icon from the dock anywhere on the screen (not just the trash) and it'll go up in smoke. The original application (or folder/file, as the case may be) will still be on the hard drive. Eric On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 14:49 -0700, John Niven wrote: > Yup to both :-) but add: > > Once you have dragged the icon to the applications > folder, and waited for it to finish copying, you > should click on the icon (in the apps folder) and drag > it to the dock. > > It will then be available to launch from the dock. > > BTW any icon in the dock that you do not regularly use > can be safely dragged to the trash. The application > will still be available in the apps folder, so you can > drag it back to the dock later if you want. That way > you can keep your dock uncluttered, and have all your > most used apps to hand. > > Good luck, > > John > > --- Richard Klein wrote: > > > Yup. I'm pretty much re-stating what Brett already > > said, but after: > > - then it presents me with a screen with the > > Firefox icon, > > a pointing arrow, and the Applications folder > > icon > > You should drag the Firefox icon onto the > > Applications folder icon and > > drop it there. > > > > -- > > Rich > > > > On 9/12/07, Brett Caven > > wrote: > > > Did you move the Firefox icon into the > > Applications folder... (the > > > most popular way to install apps on Mac OS X)... > > If you just double > > > click it, you are only running it from the disk > > image. > > > --- > > > -Brett > > > > > > > > > On 12/Sep/07, at 5:13 PM, Fast Primes wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > > > In attempting to install Firefox, I found myself > > having to re- > > > > install it all the time. Here's what I do: > > > > > > > > - click on the firefox--xyz.dmg file > > > > - the system works on this a few seconds > > > > - then it presents me with a screen with > > the Firefox icon, > > > > a pointing arrow, and the Applications > > folder icon > > > > - clicking on the Firefox icon in the above > > box installs Firefox > > > > in the dock with it bouncing a bit (until > > complete?) > > > > > > > > However, on powering up, Firefox is NOT in the > > dock (nor in the > > > > Applications folder)--neccessitating that I > > repeat the above steps! > > > > What am I doing wrong here? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > FP > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > More photos; more messages; more whatever. > > Windows Live Hotmail - > > > > NOW with 5GB storage. > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/? > > > > > > > locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > G4 mailing list > > > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > > > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > G4 mailing list > > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From richspk at gmail.com Wed Sep 12 17:14:35 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Wed Sep 12 17:15:04 2007 Subject: [G4] copying a movie DVD? In-Reply-To: References: <20070912023120.F0EC515A2518@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30709121714j253d4c27mc656afe081bcdb3@mail.gmail.com> On 9/12/07, Fast Primes wrote: > How does one copy a movie DVD (say from Blockbuster) on a Mac? It's rather > convoluted with MS Windows! I haven't tried it myself, but I think Mac the Ripper will do what you want: http://www.mactheripper.org/ -- Rich From jeepxj97 at durango.net Wed Sep 12 20:40:50 2007 From: jeepxj97 at durango.net (Robb McDonald) Date: Wed Sep 12 20:41:09 2007 Subject: [G4] copying a movie DVD? In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30709121714j253d4c27mc656afe081bcdb3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mac the ripper is great! Then use DVD2ONE http://www.dvd2one.com/ To compress it to a single sided DVD. Or so I have read. On 9/12/07 6:14 PM, "Richard Klein" wrote: > On 9/12/07, Fast Primes wrote: >> How does one copy a movie DVD (say from Blockbuster) on a Mac? It's rather >> convoluted with MS Windows! > > I haven't tried it myself, but I think Mac the Ripper will do what you want: > http://www.mactheripper.org/ From macsonly at brightok.net Thu Sep 13 00:11:22 2007 From: macsonly at brightok.net (Charles Lenington) Date: Thu Sep 13 00:12:46 2007 Subject: [G4] extra printer drivers -- I found something In-Reply-To: <9344bed00708131328j10119d74n1e42168c4a395949@mail.gmail.com> References: <9344bed00708131044ye744fc2ob5380fabc2200473@mail.gmail.com> <46C09EAB.6010907@troutnc.com> <9344bed00708131328j10119d74n1e42168c4a395949@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E8E29A.7070109@brightok.net> A2L1 wrote: > Ok, > Here is what I am primarily aiming at. My internal drive as it is shown > on the desktop,labeled OSX 10.4 has a capacity of 74.41 gigs according > to snip------- t shouldnt be a factor. I am trying to get back the 12.4 gigs that > seem to have vanished into the air and wondering about the 6 gig > difference from the stated size of the drive to the stated get info > drive size. I am aware or the formatting "loss" but I would think 6 gigs > for formatting is excessive. Anyway that is my peeve, where is the 6 gig > difference and what happened to the 12 gigs from the folder totals to > the free space? I am looking at anywhere from 12 to 18 gigs that I cant > account for and cant seem to find any information about. Does anyone > have any ideas, suggestions? a little behind on some of my mail. This still appears to be unanswered. Have you allowed for cache and swap files? From matthewl at dancrai.com.au Thu Sep 13 05:48:13 2007 From: matthewl at dancrai.com.au (Matthew Lawrence) Date: Thu Sep 13 05:44:44 2007 Subject: [G4] Matthew Lawrence is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 13/09/2007 and will not return until 17/09/2007. I will respond to your message when I return. From hpolkscw at cox.net Thu Sep 13 09:55:44 2007 From: hpolkscw at cox.net (Harold Polk) Date: Thu Sep 13 09:55:53 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD won't wake up References: Message-ID: I have a G4 MDD that has trouble waking up after going to sleep either time out or manual. However, if I only let the display go to sleep, 20 minutes, and keep the computer running, preference set to "never," it works fine, the display wakes up every time. I have done the following: 1. all the maintenance procedures, daily, weekly and monthly. cleaned the caches. 2. zapped the pram 3. reset the PMU 4. removed the battery and left it out for over 30 minutes. then replaced the battery, and reset the PMU. Battery voltage is 3.6 volts. 5. replaced the graphics card with one that is known to work. No additional PCI cards. The memory sticks are the original 245megs from Apple 3- 512 megs Kingston sticks All memory seems to check out with the memory checkers. I do occasional get kernal panics. The problem presists. Any ideas would be appreciated. Harold From jake at jakeholt.com Thu Sep 13 09:58:44 2007 From: jake at jakeholt.com (Jake Holt Photography) Date: Thu Sep 13 09:59:15 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD won't wake up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93B36B91-5E4F-4EFA-9634-6A6E637BDB24@jakeholt.com> I would say that frequent Kernel Panics are a sign that you need to completely reinstall your OS, but then again, I'm not a UNIX expert. That's what I would do. On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Harold Polk wrote: > I have a G4 MDD that has trouble waking up after going to sleep > either time out or manual. However, if I only let the display go > to sleep, 20 minutes, and keep the computer running, preference set > to "never," it works fine, the display wakes up every time. > I have done the following: > > 1. all the maintenance procedures, daily, weekly and monthly. > cleaned the caches. > 2. zapped the pram > 3. reset the PMU > 4. removed the battery and left it out for over 30 minutes. then > replaced the battery, and reset the PMU. Battery voltage is 3.6 > volts. > 5. replaced the graphics card with one that is known to work. > > No additional PCI cards. > The memory sticks are the original 245megs from Apple > 3- 512 megs Kingston sticks > All memory seems to check out with the memory checkers. > I do occasional get kernal panics. > > The problem presists. > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Harold > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From dancurr at frontiernet.net Thu Sep 13 10:08:30 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Thu Sep 13 10:08:38 2007 Subject: [G4] Mac / Cellphone ? Message-ID: <46E96E8E.4040406@frontiernet.net> Hello, I have an MDD dualie with two GB RAM running 10.4.9 and am wondering if there is a program / application that will let me upload new ringtones from my computer sound files to the phone and how do I do that? TIA, Dan Currie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070913/1ea9ff70/attachment.html From richspk at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 10:22:55 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Sep 13 10:23:03 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD won't wake up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69ce86c30709131022r5623cdb1q7a7ca2b9f9741a3c@mail.gmail.com> On 9/13/07, Harold Polk wrote: > I have a G4 MDD that has trouble waking up after going to sleep > either time out or manual. However, if I only let the display go to > sleep, 20 minutes, and keep the computer running, preference set to > "never," it works fine, the display wakes up every time. > I have done the following: > > 1. all the maintenance procedures, daily, weekly and monthly. cleaned > the caches. > 2. zapped the pram > 3. reset the PMU > 4. removed the battery and left it out for over 30 minutes. then > replaced the battery, and reset the PMU. Battery voltage is 3.6 volts. > 5. replaced the graphics card with one that is known to work. > > No additional PCI cards. > The memory sticks are the original 245megs from Apple > 3- 512 megs Kingston sticks > All memory seems to check out with the memory checkers. > I do occasional get kernal panics. The kernel panics are a problem. They could be caused by any number of things. Some OS files could have gotten corrupted over time, your power supply may not be regulating the power as well as it used to, you may have bad memory (or a bad slot) despite what the checkers say, etc. However, the kernel panics also might be unrelated to your Mac not waking up from sleep. What USB devices do you have plugged in? -- Rich From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 13 12:58:28 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick Ramsowr) Date: Thu Sep 13 12:58:40 2007 Subject: [G4] Number of Bookmarks allowed... Message-ID: I'm using the latest Tiger (OS X 10.4.10)... is there a limit to the total number of bookmarks one can collect? Rich therepguy Houston From ronsteinke at mac.com Thu Sep 13 16:01:40 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Thu Sep 13 16:00:41 2007 Subject: [G4] G4 MDD won't wake up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ECB2ED8-6366-4A77-BFDC-CEE6D328E020@mac.com> On 13 Sep, 07, at 9:55 AM, Harold Polk wrote: > I have a G4 MDD that has trouble waking up after going to sleep I have seen that the primary cause of this problem is having a device plugged into one of your USB sockets that is not allowing the sleep function to operate properly. Try removing all your USB devices, plugging them back in one at a time and testing the sleep function completely before plugging in the next device. At the least, you will find out which device is the cause and can then investigate further to determine whether you can resolve the problem with possibly a new bit of software for that device. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20070913/4fc6d12f/attachment-0001.html From briang113 at pacbell.net Thu Sep 13 16:15:54 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Thu Sep 13 16:16:17 2007 Subject: [G4] Mac / Cellphone ? In-Reply-To: <46E96E8E.4040406@frontiernet.net> References: <46E96E8E.4040406@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <29D7F9D8-E60B-48B7-B04C-221767646DB0@pacbell.net> The best way to access your phone and transfer, if your phone has the capability files is bluetooth or use a USB cable. Bluetooth file transfer will automatically access your phones storage and transfer mp3 files and photos and video. The caveat is who your carrier is and the brand of phone. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Sep 13, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Dan A Currie wrote: > Hello, > > I have an MDD dualie with two GB RAM running 10.4.9 and am > wondering if there is a program / application that will let me > upload new ringtones from my computer sound files to the phone and > how do I do that? > > TIA, > > Dan Currie > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From okidude1 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 13 23:26:53 2007 From: okidude1 at hotmail.com (Y Dretchner) Date: Thu Sep 13 23:27:03 2007 Subject: [G4] The new iPods. In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30709061357o7c2fd479n20ff6028594e9db3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Will someone PLEASE get me off this list! >From: "Richard Klein" >Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > >To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > >Subject: Re: [G4] The new iPods. >Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:57:21 -0400 > >Despite what the specs may or may not say (I haven't looked at them), >I would think you could use the new iPods with USB 1.1. It'll just be >slower than molasses. > >That is a shame about the lack of a FireWire option, though. > >-- >Rich > >On 9/6/07, John Niven wrote: > > They all require USB 2.0, and 10.4.10 so it looks like > > older system users are getting frozen out (unless you > > are a windows user, then you can still use the old > > XP). Does that seem fair? > > > > What happened to FireWire? Technically I don't see why > > older Macs can't run iPods. It's not tough. > > > > Shame I quite like the look of a iPod touch. >_______________________________________________ >G4 mailing list >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _________________________________________________________________ Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe.  Claim your treat today! http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2 From ewood at izoom.net Thu Sep 13 23:32:13 2007 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Thu Sep 13 23:32:22 2007 Subject: [G4] The new iPods. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1189751533.17074.0.camel@208-38-111-235.static.izoom.net> No way, sucka! On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 06:26 +0000, Y Dretchner wrote: > Will someone PLEASE get me off this list! > > >From: "Richard Klein" > >Reply-To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > > >To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > > >Subject: Re: [G4] The new iPods. > >Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:57:21 -0400 > > > >Despite what the specs may or may not say (I haven't looked at them), > >I would think you could use the new iPods with USB 1.1. It'll just be > >slower than molasses. > > > >That is a shame about the lack of a FireWire option, though. > > > >-- > >Rich > > > >On 9/6/07, John Niven wrote: > > > They all require USB 2.0, and 10.4.10 so it looks like > > > older system users are getting frozen out (unless you > > > are a windows user, then you can still use the old > > > XP). Does that seem fair? > > > > > > What happened to FireWire? Technically I don't see why > > > older Macs can't run iPods. It's not tough. > > > > > > Shame I quite like the look of a iPod touch. > >_______________________________________________ > >G4 mailing list > >G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe. Claim your > treat today! > http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From cawcawster at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 03:59:00 2007 From: cawcawster at gmail.com (Phil Crowe) Date: Fri Sep 14 03:59:11 2007 Subject: [G4] SOLVED: QS 800MHz MP in Digital Audio Message-ID: I have installed a Quicksilver dual 800 MHz processor in my Digital Audio also, and the L3 cache is not supported by my OS (10.3.9). It was suggested I use CPU Director (Powerlogix), but it won't load. I need the solution offered in this article. How do I get it? Phil Crowe From richspk at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 06:11:48 2007 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Fri Sep 14 06:11:53 2007 Subject: [G4] The new iPods. In-Reply-To: References: <69ce86c30709061357o7c2fd479n20ff6028594e9db3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30709140611h2d0f6ab6y5513cb08bc284247@mail.gmail.com> On 9/14/07, Y Dretchner wrote: > > Will someone PLEASE get me off this list! No one but you can take you off the list. Try clicking on this link. It should send an email to the list control computer instructing it to unsubscribe you: -- Rich From hpolkscw at cox.net Fri Sep 14 08:36:31 2007 From: hpolkscw at cox.net (Harold Polk) Date: Fri Sep 14 08:36:40 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 MDD won't wake up In-Reply-To: <20070913230046.3824415CE1A1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070913230046.3824415CE1A1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <49850F45-E9C4-452F-935C-23B54534DFAA@cox.net> Thanks to Jake, Richard and Ronald for their response to my query. The operating system and other software was "clean" installed a month or so ago and the wake up problem was there before. I have the latest software for all the peripherals, Epson scanner, Brothers all in one printer and Kensington track ball. I have removed all the USB peripherals except for the mouse and keyboard. The scanner and printer were connected thru a powered hub. I put the computer to sleep last night manually and it awoke this morning as it should, so the problem must be in the peripherals. Will reconnect the peripherals one at a time and see if I can isolate the culprit. This will take some time but I am sure the problem can be found. Harold From briang113 at pacbell.net Fri Sep 14 09:39:36 2007 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Fri Sep 14 09:39:50 2007 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 MDD won't wake up In-Reply-To: <49850F45-E9C4-452F-935C-23B54534DFAA@cox.net> References: <20070913230046.3824415CE1A1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <49850F45-E9C4-452F-935C-23B54534DFAA@cox.net> Message-ID: <0017B310-DDE5-4027-8300-5C76AB89FA0D@pacbell.net> Try your peripherals without the hub. I do not know why but I have found that some brands of hubs effect the wake after sleep. It does not seem to matter if they are are bus or self powered, my guess is it is the chipset they are using in the hub. But that is just a guess Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Sep 14, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Harold Polk wrote: > Thanks to Jake, Richard and Ronald for their response to my query. > The operating system and other software was "clean" installed a > month or so ago and the wake up problem was there b