From richspk at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 14:16:33 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sun Apr 6 14:17:08 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 benchmark program? Message-ID: <69ce86c30804061416l3d0b08aer8bb8612d1f4644f2@mail.gmail.com> I'm awaiting delivery of a dual 1 GHz processor to replace the single 933 MHz processor in my Quicksilver. I'd like to run some benchmarks on the computer before (and after) I swap processors. Can you guys recommend any benchmarks? -- Thanks! Rich From crowesnest at aapt.net.au Sun Apr 6 14:41:55 2008 From: crowesnest at aapt.net.au (Pat Crowe) Date: Sun Apr 6 14:42:15 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Noise. Message-ID: <59384004-9F7C-4609-A1C3-5D779840DEB8@aapt.net.au> My 2002 Quicksilver 933 has the par-for-the-course fan noise problem. However, I have noticed that as long as room temperature stays below 20C, the noise level is not that bad(?) but as the temperature rises, so does the noise level. Could it be that the fans in this Quicksilver automatically increase speed as things hot up? Pat Crowe. From richspk at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 15:10:03 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sun Apr 6 15:10:35 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Noise. In-Reply-To: <59384004-9F7C-4609-A1C3-5D779840DEB8@aapt.net.au> References: <59384004-9F7C-4609-A1C3-5D779840DEB8@aapt.net.au> Message-ID: <69ce86c30804061510h42d0f759n804c36b3672b722b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Pat Crowe wrote: > My 2002 Quicksilver 933 has the par-for-the-course fan noise problem. > However, I have noticed that as long as room temperature stays below 20C, > the noise level is not that bad(?) but as the temperature rises, so does the > noise level. Could it be that the fans in this Quicksilver automatically > increase speed as things hot up? It's certainly possible that the fans are controlled by a thermal sensor, but I couldn't find any information about that. I did find some good articles on reducing fan noise in the Quicksilver, though. Start at this page and also check out the related links at the bottom of the page: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/quicksilver_noise/quieting_quicksilver_noise.html There are several fans in your Quicksilver. The first order of business is probably to figure out which fan(s) is making the most noise. -- Rich From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com Sun Apr 6 18:56:31 2008 From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (Richard Northouse) Date: Sun Apr 6 18:58:19 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Noise. In-Reply-To: <59384004-9F7C-4609-A1C3-5D779840DEB8@aapt.net.au> Message-ID: <20080407015756.QTKA26724.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@pc925> Yup, that is the case for most PC's -- including Macs. Rich My 2002 Quicksilver 933 has the par-for-the-course fan noise problem. However, I have noticed that as long as room temperature stays below 20C, the noise level is not that bad(?) but as the temperature rises, so does the noise level. Could it be that the fans in this Quicksilver automatically increase speed as things hot up? Pat Crowe. _______________________________________________ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 4/6/2008 11:12 AM From jeepxj97 at durango.net Sun Apr 6 19:22:40 2008 From: jeepxj97 at durango.net (Robb McDonald) Date: Sun Apr 6 19:22:45 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 Noise. In-Reply-To: <20080407015756.QTKA26724.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@pc925> Message-ID: I just replaced my main fan on my early QS a couple of weeks ago with the following: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835191005 SilenX IXP-34-16 It is so quiet now, I can hardly believe it. It took all of 2 minutes to do. I wish I would have done it years ago. It runs much cooler now also. I run it hard with upgraded processor, upgraded video card, 2 hard drives, full memory, all PCI slots full. I stream, edit pics, game etc and have had no problems. It runs 24/7.In fact, I have unplugged the fan to the processor heat sink to see how hot it gets. So far so good. On 4/6/08 7:56 PM, "Richard Northouse" wrote: > > Yup, that is the case for most PC's -- including Macs. > > Rich > > My 2002 Quicksilver 933 has the par-for-the-course fan noise problem. > However, I have noticed that as long as room temperature stays below > 20C, the noise level is not that bad(?) but as the temperature rises, > so does the noise level. Could it be that the fans in this > Quicksilver automatically increase speed as things hot up? > Pat Crowe. > > _______________________________________________ > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.8/1362 - Release Date: 4/6/2008 > 11:12 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From gifutiger at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 20:14:01 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sun Apr 6 20:14:15 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 benchmark program? In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30804061416l3d0b08aer8bb8612d1f4644f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <69ce86c30804061416l3d0b08aer8bb8612d1f4644f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Get a copy of xBench it is just about the best benchmark program for the Mac. Best regards ---------------------------------------------------- On Apr 6, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Chaim The Squirrel Keeper wrote: > I'm awaiting delivery of a dual 1 GHz processor to replace the single > 933 MHz processor in my Quicksilver. I'd like to run some benchmarks > on the computer before (and after) I swap processors. Can you guys > recommend any benchmarks? > > -- > Thanks! > Rich > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From lizandro at gci.net Mon Apr 7 12:23:03 2008 From: lizandro at gci.net (Lizandro Ezrre) Date: Mon Apr 7 12:23:19 2008 Subject: [G4] USB HUB Message-ID: Say has anybody have trouble with USB hubs, I have a nice one from IOGear that doesn't seem to be registering after I've upgraded to Tiger, my USB hub worked fine in Panther, now it doesn't show up, I've Emailed Tech support at Apple, they're suppose to get back to me, but haven't yet. I've been to IOGear Tech, they actually got it working for a bit, until I downloaded the lasted Security Update, we got this hub to work in my Apple Pro Key connection, than after the Security download it didn't work, I've told Apple they need to look into this. This hub doesn't show up behind in the back of my G-4 the only place I got it to work is in my Apple Pro Key connection, that doesn't work anymore, does anybody have a fix, thanks for any help. Some more information the Tech person for G-4's at Apple was saying the reason it doesn't work in the back is the connection back there is only 1.1 fast, I asked her why it was working in my Apple Pro Key, she said that was a fast connection plug 2.0, this doesn't make sense to me, because my Apple Pro Key is connected to the back of my G-4. To let everybody know what I've done to see if it well show up, I've Unplugged all connections, Restarted, tried all connections, nothing seems to work, thanks again. From hal9001 at panix.com Mon Apr 7 14:01:15 2008 From: hal9001 at panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) Date: Mon Apr 7 14:12:00 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD - Disc space issues In-Reply-To: References: <9F2329BB-D547-486E-804B-C969F319557B@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: At 15:28 -0700 on 03/27/2008, Earle Jones wrote about Re: [G4] MDD - Disc space issues: >________________________ >Earle Jones ? >380 Conil Way >Portola Valley CA 94028 >Home: 650-854-1489 >Cell: 650-269-0035 >earle.jones@comcast.net > >On Mar 27, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: >>At 11:09 -0700 on 03/22/2008, Ronald Steinke wrote about Re: [G4] >>MDD - Disc space issues: >> >>>I personally prefer Onyx to perform the daily, weekly, and monthly >>>maintenance programs. Cocktail is another program that will handle >>>those chores. Download and use whichever one you chose and use it >>>regularly for keeping your temp files under control. > >* >Go to: http://www.atomicbird.com/ > >and get the shareware preference pane 'Macaroni' -- Set it to do all >your cron work, daily, weekly, monthly, reset permissions, and >remove localization. > >As the cooker salesman says, "Set it and forget it!" > >earle Macaroni is NOT a total cron replacement since it has no provision (unlike cron) to say WHEN (on a designated day) the command will run (it runs whenever it decides to on the designated day). Also, it can not run more than once a day (you'd need to define 24 separate jobs to run hourly and there is still the issue of being unable to say what time each of the jobs will run). The only advantage it has over CRON is that it can run jobs that should have run while the computer was powered off and can be told to run a job every time you boot the computer. From jomph at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 7 15:53:28 2008 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Mon Apr 7 15:54:38 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 benchmark program? In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30804061416l3d0b08aer8bb8612d1f4644f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 06-04-2008 23:16, Chaim The Squirrel Keeper, richspk@gmail.com, wrote: > I'm awaiting delivery of a dual 1 GHz processor to replace the single > 933 MHz processor in my Quicksilver. I'd like to run some benchmarks > on the computer before (and after) I swap processors. Can you guys > recommend any benchmarks? Download Mactracker and you'll have benchmarks included. HTH, Jo Hissel From gifutiger at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 16:59:09 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Apr 7 16:59:15 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 benchmark program? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F74F32C-790A-4D93-992A-56CDBBDEE0D2@gmail.com> If all that you want is to see what the standard for your platform then Mactracker is Okay, or you can take a look at: http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2007/12/mac-performance-december-2007/ Which will show you all of the Mac models from the "Power Mac G3 (Blue and White) PowerPC G3 @ 350 MHz" through the "Mac Pro (8-core) Dual Quad-Core Intel Xeons @ 3.00 GHz" side by side. However if you want to run benchmarks on "your own platform" then like I said before down load a copy of xBench it is just about the best benchmark program for the Mac. Best regards, ---------------------------------------------------- > Download Mactracker and you'll have benchmarks included. > HTH, > > Jo Hissel From richspk at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 19:39:34 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Mon Apr 7 19:39:45 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 benchmark program? In-Reply-To: <6F74F32C-790A-4D93-992A-56CDBBDEE0D2@gmail.com> References: <6F74F32C-790A-4D93-992A-56CDBBDEE0D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30804071939v1b3cd908t7ffdbe1d1aff3273@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > If all that you want is to see what the standard for your platform then > Mactracker is Okay, or you can take a look at: > http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2007/12/mac-performance-december-2007/ > Which will show you all of the Mac models from the "Power Mac G3 (Blue and > White) > PowerPC G3 @ 350 MHz" through the "Mac Pro (8-core) Dual Quad-Core Intel > Xeons @ 3.00 GHz" side by side. > > However if you want to run benchmarks on "your own platform" then like I > said before down load a copy of xBench it is just about the best benchmark > program for the Mac. Thanks! I'll check out xBench. I'll probably check out MacTracker, too, just to be thorough. :-) -- Rich From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon Apr 7 19:54:09 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon Apr 7 19:54:19 2008 Subject: [G4] MDD - Disc space issues In-Reply-To: References: <9F2329BB-D547-486E-804B-C969F319557B@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On 7 Apr, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: > Macaroni is NOT a total cron replacement since it has no provision > (unlike cron) to say WHEN (on a designated day) the command will run > (it runs whenever it decides to on the designated day) You can use the built-in scheduling feature to only permit the program to run AFTER A DESIGNATED PERIOD OF IDLENESS. That makes it a no-brainer if you allow your machine to sit idle for the specified length of time on the day you have selected and let Macaroni run the CRON task(s) you choose. At that point, you can shut down or put the machine to sleep as you wish and Macaroni won't run the tasks again until the scheduled day comes around again. Hope this helps someone. From rcbuitron at speakeasy.net Thu Apr 17 11:58:59 2008 From: rcbuitron at speakeasy.net (Robert C. Buitron) Date: Thu Apr 17 11:59:10 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SATA Message-ID: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> I've been searching various web sites for info on upgrading my G4 MDD 1.25GHz/FW800, OS 10.5.2 to SATA hard drives. I currently have 3 internal HDS (one for the OS and two 300GB HDs for data and back up). I installed a PCI controller card to use those 300GB HDs. I'm running out of storage space and one of the back up HD is showing signs of crashing. So I'm considering replacing all with one small SATA HD for the OS and two 500GB SATA HDs for my data (I do photography and have lots of music as well). I've researched SATA HDs and PCI controller cards for internal and external SATA conversion/use. Seagate and Western Digital look good and Sonnet Tempo and SIIG controller cards look good too (I also scanned what was available at OWC). Is this a reasonable upgrade investment, as I'm not planning to buy a new Mac for another 8 to 14 months (and I will use the G4 as a back up once I get the new computer)? I'm also considering a new external SATA HD (such as LaCie 500) as well as enclosing the HDs I pull out once they're replaced by the SATA HDs. I welcome any comments and recommendations Thanks, Rob From senseamp at yahoo.com Thu Apr 17 12:18:42 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Thu Apr 17 12:21:04 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SATA In-Reply-To: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <440281.23212.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Since you have FW800 built in why not try one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817716028 I bought one a while ago, and have two sata drives in it striped together. I use it for back-up, but it's fast enough that I can boot from it and not notice the difference (dual 450MHz G4 GE with FW800 pci card). This way you can turn off and disconnect your backups. Use it with you next computer when you get it :-) --- On Thu, 4/17/08, Robert C. Buitron wrote: > From: Robert C. Buitron > Subject: [G4] Re: SATA > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008, 1:58 PM > I've been searching various web sites for info on > upgrading my G4 MDD > 1.25GHz/FW800, OS 10.5.2 to SATA hard drives. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From richspk at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 12:23:48 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Apr 17 12:26:04 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SATA In-Reply-To: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> References: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <00c901c8a0c0$9122a170$37d816ac@hologic.corp> > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert C. Buitron > > I'm running out of storage space and one of the back up HD is > showing signs of crashing. So I'm considering replacing all > with one small SATA HD for the OS and two 500GB SATA HDs for > my data (I do photography and have lots of music as well). I'd go for 1x 1TB HD instead of 2x 500GB HDs because it'll draw less power from your power supply and generate less heat inside the case. Were you planning on making a RAID array of the 2x 500GB drives or something? > I've researched SATA HDs and PCI controller cards for > internal and external SATA conversion/use. Seagate and > Western Digital look good and Sonnet Tempo and SIIG > controller cards look good too (I also scanned what was > available at OWC). I, and some friends of mine, have had worse luck with WD drives than with Seagate drives, and Seagate offers a longer warranty, too. -- Rich From rcbuitron at speakeasy.net Thu Apr 17 19:13:53 2008 From: rcbuitron at speakeasy.net (Robert C. Buitron) Date: Thu Apr 17 19:14:39 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SATA In-Reply-To: <00c901c8a0c0$9122a170$37d816ac@hologic.corp> References: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> <00c901c8a0c0$9122a170$37d816ac@hologic.corp> Message-ID: <480803E1.6040505@speakeasy.net> Richard Klein wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert C. Buitron >> >> I'm running out of storage space and one of the back up HD is >> showing signs of crashing. So I'm considering replacing all >> with one small SATA HD for the OS and two 500GB SATA HDs for >> my data (I do photography and have lots of music as well). > > I'd go for 1x 1TB HD instead of 2x 500GB HDs because it'll draw less power > from your power supply and generate less heat inside the case. Were you > planning on making a RAID array of the 2x 500GB drives or something? > >> I've researched SATA HDs and PCI controller cards for >> internal and external SATA conversion/use. Seagate and >> Western Digital look good and Sonnet Tempo and SIIG >> controller cards look good too (I also scanned what was >> available at OWC). > > I, and some friends of mine, have had worse luck with WD drives than with > Seagate drives, and Seagate offers a longer warranty, too. > Thanks for responding. I wasn't considering a RAID array, but that's a possibility. Would it make sense to have 2x 1TB HDs and would they generate more heat than 2x 500GB HDs? I'm not knowledgeable about power supply and HDs. What should I be aware of if I have 2x 500GB or 1TB HDs and power supply? I've been leaning towards Seagate as I read various forums and customer reviews about Seagate and WD drives (they have more problems). From rcbuitron at speakeasy.net Thu Apr 17 19:20:16 2008 From: rcbuitron at speakeasy.net (Robert C. Buitron) Date: Thu Apr 17 19:20:28 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SATA In-Reply-To: <440281.23212.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <440281.23212.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48080560.3000002@speakeasy.net> John Niven wrote: > Since you have FW800 built in why not try one of these: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817716028 > > I bought one a while ago, and have two sata drives in it striped together. I use it for back-up, but it's fast enough that I can boot from it and not notice the difference (dual 450MHz G4 GE with FW800 pci card). > > This way you can turn off and disconnect your backups. Use it with you next computer when you get it :-) > > > --- On Thu, 4/17/08, Robert C. Buitron wrote: > >> From: Robert C. Buitron >> Subject: [G4] Re: SATA >> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." >> Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008, 1:58 PM >> I've been searching various web sites for info on >> upgrading my G4 MDD >> 1.25GHz/FW800, OS 10.5.2 to SATA hard drives. Thanks for the link. I like your reasoning of disconnecting when not backing up and usable for next computer. I found some other multiple drive enclosures and external HD racks. That'll be something for the future. Again thanks! Rob From fsudore at mac.com Fri Apr 18 02:45:26 2008 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Fri Apr 18 02:46:47 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SATA In-Reply-To: <480803E1.6040505@speakeasy.net> References: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> <00c901c8a0c0$9122a170$37d816ac@hologic.corp> <480803E1.6040505@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <58D7F28D-3A46-4201-BFCC-5EC51924498B@mac.com> I have a SATA card in a G-4 MDD Dual 1.4 and it runs great . The only thing to make sure of is a long enough connection cable.Seagate is the way to go , Stay away from Maxtor, for some reason every drive I ever had that failed was a Maxtor. Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 From ewood at izoom.net Fri Apr 18 02:49:57 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (ewood@izoom.net) Date: Fri Apr 18 02:52:31 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SATA In-Reply-To: <58D7F28D-3A46-4201-BFCC-5EC51924498B@mac.com> References: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> <00c901c8a0c0$9122a170$37d816ac@hologic.corp> <480803E1.6040505@speakeasy.net> <58D7F28D-3A46-4201-BFCC-5EC51924498B@mac.com> Message-ID: <49544.141.78.232.134.1208512197.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> > I have a SATA card in a G-4 MDD Dual 1.4 and it runs great . The only > thing to make sure of is a long enough connection cable.Seagate is the > way to go , Stay away from Maxtor, for some reason every drive I ever > had that failed was a Maxtor. > Best Regards, > > Frank Sudore > fsudore@mac.com > 954-253-1933 I think I've also had Maxtors crap out on me, and no other drive that comes to mind. Eric W. From keith_w at dslextreme.com Fri Apr 18 04:04:29 2008 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Fri Apr 18 04:04:50 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SATA In-Reply-To: <49544.141.78.232.134.1208512197.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> References: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> <00c901c8a0c0$9122a170$37d816ac@hologic.corp> <480803E1.6040505@speakeasy.net> <58D7F28D-3A46-4201-BFCC-5EC51924498B@mac.com> <49544.141.78.232.134.1208512197.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> Message-ID: <4808803D.70100@dslextreme.com> ewood@izoom.net wrote: >> I have a SATA card in a G-4 MDD Dual 1.4 and it runs great . The only >> thing to make sure of is a long enough connection cable.Seagate is the >> way to go , Stay away from Maxtor, for some reason every drive I ever >> had that failed was a Maxtor. >> Best Regards, >> >> Frank Sudore >> fsudore@mac.com >> 954-253-1933 > I think I've also had Maxtors crap out on me, and no other drive that > comes to mind. > > Eric W. And I just recently put a Maxtor One-Touch III into service, external on my iMac's FW Bus.... Oh well! On the other hand, that unit has a 3.5" ATA 300 GB Seagate drive in it, so it ought to be just fine! I've had good luck with Seagate drives, so this should be no different. keith whaley From t_sheeley at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 04:17:16 2008 From: t_sheeley at hotmail.com (Tony Sheeley) Date: Fri Apr 18 04:17:43 2008 Subject: [G4] Upgrading Message-ID: I have a Dual G4 450 and would like to upgrade the processor's. What's the most I can upgrade this machine to? Who can recommend the least expensive solution? I'm trying to get the most I can out of this machine with minimum cost. Thanks in advance _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Try Big Snap now! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From fusekigames at briandeuel.com Fri Apr 18 04:34:23 2008 From: fusekigames at briandeuel.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Fri Apr 18 04:34:37 2008 Subject: [G4] Upgrading Message-ID: <1208518463.25410.1248590183@webmail.messagingengine.com> I'm running the single 1.8ghz processor from Sonnet in my DP500. It runs Leopard decently, although processor-intensive tasks do slow it down. Maxing out your memory (2gb) helps with that little problem. A better video card also helps. With Tiger, it's a speed demon, and I find myself in Tiger more often than not lately. Brian On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:17:16 +0100, "Tony Sheeley" said: > > I have a Dual G4 450 and would like to upgrade the processor's. What's > the most I can upgrade this machine to? Who can recommend the least > expensive solution? I'm trying to get the most I can out of this machine > with minimum cost. > > Thanks in advance > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now! > http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx ---- Brian Deuel http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1.5 gig RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128meg Video Mac OS X 10 .5.2 and 10.4.11 Powerbook G3 Wallstreet 300mhz processor 512meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto From tresursi at operamail.com Fri Apr 18 05:13:15 2008 From: tresursi at operamail.com (Lars-Gunnar Larson) Date: Fri Apr 18 05:13:26 2008 Subject: Was Re: [G4] Upgrading now Sonnet G4 upgrade Message-ID: <20080418121315.469673AA732@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> I have tried to install a !,8single upgrade in my Quicksilver but with no success. Anyone with that kind of problems with Encore/ST G4 and Quicksilver? Lars-Gunnar > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Deuel" > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:34:23 -0400 > > > > I'm running the single 1.8ghz processor from Sonnet in my DP500. It runs > Leopard decently, > > From t_sheeley at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 06:57:06 2008 From: t_sheeley at hotmail.com (Tony Sheeley) Date: Fri Apr 18 06:57:12 2008 Subject: [G4] Upgrading In-Reply-To: <1208518463.25410.1248590183@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1208518463.25410.1248590183@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: The memory is already maxed out. I may look at upgrading the graphics card so that I can use dual monitors. I have been offered a Dual Powermac G4 1.25GHz processor card (original apple), but have been advised that I can't use it in my machine - I don't know why. Hopefully, some knowledgeable person here will give me confirmation that I have been given the wrong advice? > From: fusekigames@briandeuel.com> To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:34:23 -0400> > > I'm running the single 1.8ghz processor from Sonnet in my DP500. It runs> Leopard decently, although processor-intensive tasks do slow it down.> Maxing out your memory (2gb) helps with that little problem. A better> video card also helps. With Tiger, it's a speed demon, and I find myself> in Tiger more often than not lately.> > Brian> > On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:17:16 +0100, "Tony Sheeley"> said:> > > > I have a Dual G4 450 and would like to upgrade the processor's. What's> > the most I can upgrade this machine to? Who can recommend the least> > expensive solution? I'm trying to get the most I can out of this machine> > with minimum cost. > > > > Thanks in advance> > _________________________________________________________________> > Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now!> > http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx> > > ----> Brian Deuel> http://www.briandeuel.com> > Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic"> 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor> 1.5 gig RAM> ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128meg Video> Mac OS X 10 .5.2 and 10.4.11> > Powerbook G3 Wallstreet> 300mhz processor> 512meg RAM> Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto> > _______________________________________________> G4 mailing list> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Windows Live is here http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080418/f83d2144/attachment.html From g4-lisz at tonarchiv.ch Fri Apr 18 07:26:46 2008 From: g4-lisz at tonarchiv.ch (Till Wimmer) Date: Fri Apr 18 07:27:30 2008 Subject: [G4] Upgrading In-Reply-To: References: <1208518463.25410.1248590183@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <4808AFA6.40809@tonarchiv.ch> Tony, your G4 Dual has a 100MHz data bus which is not compatible with the 167MHz bus from 1.25GHz dual processor. Till Tony Sheeley wrote: > The memory is already maxed out. I may look at upgrading the graphics > card so that I can use dual monitors. > > I have been offered a Dual Powermac G4 1.25GHz processor card > (original apple), but have been advised that I can't use it in my > machine - I don't know why. > > Hopefully, some knowledgeable person here will give me confirmation > that I have been given the wrong advice? > > > > From: fusekigames@briandeuel.com > > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading > > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:34:23 -0400 > > > > > > I'm running the single 1.8ghz processor from Sonnet in my DP500. It runs > > Leopard decently, although processor-intensive tasks do slow it down. > > Maxing out your memory (2gb) helps with that little problem. A better > > video card also helps. With Tiger, it's a speed demon, and I find myself > > in Tiger more often than not lately. > > > > Brian > > > > On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:17:16 +0100, "Tony Sheeley" > > said: > > > > > > I have a Dual G4 450 and would like to upgrade the processor's. What's > > > the most I can upgrade this machine to? Who can recommend the least > > > expensive solution? I'm trying to get the most I can out of this > machine > > > with minimum cost. > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now! > > > http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx > > > > > > ---- > > Brian Deuel > > http://www.briandeuel.com > > > > Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" > > 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor > > 1.5 gig RAM > > ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128meg Video > > Mac OS X 10 .5.2 and 10.4.11 > > > > Powerbook G3 Wallstreet > > 300mhz processor > > 512meg RAM > > Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get fish-slapping on Messenger Play now! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From gifutiger at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 07:38:45 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri Apr 18 07:39:54 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SATA In-Reply-To: <49544.141.78.232.134.1208512197.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> References: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> <00c901c8a0c0$9122a170$37d816ac@hologic.corp> <480803E1.6040505@speakeasy.net> <58D7F28D-3A46-4201-BFCC-5EC51924498B@mac.com> <49544.141.78.232.134.1208512197.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> Message-ID: <1AEDAAF9-3D79-41AF-B584-2FBAEF9486D3@gmail.com> I've been running my Maxtor 130GB drives since 2000 with no problems. Harry F. ---------------------------------------------------- On Apr 18, 2008, at 2:49 AM, ewood@izoom.net wrote: >> I have a SATA card in a G-4 MDD Dual 1.4 and it runs great . The >> only >> thing to make sure of is a long enough connection cable.Seagate is >> the >> way to go , Stay away from Maxtor, for some reason every drive I ever >> had that failed was a Maxtor. >> Best Regards, >> >> Frank Sudore >> fsudore@mac.com >> 954-253-1933 > > I think I've also had Maxtors crap out on me, and no other drive that > comes to mind. > > Eric W. > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ronsteinke at mac.com Fri Apr 18 21:38:16 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Fri Apr 18 21:38:31 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: SATA In-Reply-To: <4808803D.70100@dslextreme.com> References: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> <00c901c8a0c0$9122a170$37d816ac@hologic.corp> <480803E1.6040505@speakeasy.net> <58D7F28D-3A46-4201-BFCC-5EC51924498B@mac.com> <49544.141.78.232.134.1208512197.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> <4808803D.70100@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <13E763C2-FD3E-493A-8E98-A7CE8E229BB4@mac.com> On 18 Apr, 2008, at 4:04 AM, keith_w wrote: > And I just recently put a Maxtor One-Touch III into service, > external on my iMac's FW Bus.... Oh well! > > On the other hand, that unit has a 3.5" ATA 300 GB Seagate drive in > it, so it ought to be just fine! > I've had good luck with Seagate drives, so this should be no > different. On average, I handle four to six hard drives each day at the program that I volunteer with. Of all the brands that I have experienced failures with, I do not see any preponderance of any particular brand. Failures occur randomly, not according to brand or even age. The industry rates the average time before failure for every component, but that does not give any guarantee that a particular device will actually fail at that "designated" time. In other words, fellows, buy the brand that you favor, ignore the others, and replace it WHEN IT FAILS and don't worry about it ahead of time. It won't make your day any less worrisome to fret about something that you have absolutely no control over. Just be sure that you have an adequate backup of your important documents! From fsudore at mac.com Sat Apr 19 06:03:34 2008 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Sat Apr 19 06:44:22 2008 Subject: [G4] Maxtor vs Seagate In-Reply-To: <13E763C2-FD3E-493A-8E98-A7CE8E229BB4@mac.com> References: <48079DF3.40706@speakeasy.net> <00c901c8a0c0$9122a170$37d816ac@hologic.corp> <480803E1.6040505@speakeasy.net> <58D7F28D-3A46-4201-BFCC-5EC51924498B@mac.com> <49544.141.78.232.134.1208512197.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> <4808803D.70100@dslextreme.com> <13E763C2-FD3E-493A-8E98-A7CE8E229BB4@mac.com> Message-ID: I should of been more specific, (BTW the Maxtor One touch is a great unit) Any Maxtor that came stock with an Apple I have had fail. And my testing ground was 150 G-4's at Office Depot Corporate. At least 20 Drives out of the 150 failed and i know for a fact they were all Maxtor. There may of been even a bulletin on this somewhere. If a drive is going to fail, it's going to fail. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO BACK UP BACK UP BACK UP!!! Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 From abob11 at cox.net Sat Apr 19 13:03:35 2008 From: abob11 at cox.net (Ed T) Date: Sat Apr 19 13:04:20 2008 Subject: [G4] all a's Message-ID: <5C5359C4-82DC-4E29-B9D2-6B3EE56BB690@cox.net> Hi all, I'm having a strange problem with my mother in laws computer. She started it up yesterday to find all menu items and file names were now the letter A inside a square in other words the word file was now AAAA the word edit is now AAAA every letter is now A inside a square. Does anyone have any idea what is going on with this behavior? All programs operate normally in safari all pages read as always same in mail etc. I is confused... any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA Ed T From senseamp at yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 13:23:21 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Sat Apr 19 13:24:11 2008 Subject: [G4] all a's In-Reply-To: <5C5359C4-82DC-4E29-B9D2-6B3EE56BB690@cox.net> Message-ID: <40629.42337.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If you imagine the "square" as a hole in which the "A" resides, I believe your problem is quite common: your Mother-in-law is an A-hole! :-) --- On Sat, 4/19/08, Ed T wrote: > From: Ed T > Subject: [G4] all a's > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Saturday, April 19, 2008, 3:03 PM > Hi all, I'm having a strange problem with my mother in > laws computer. > She started it up yesterday to find all > menu items and file names were now the letter A inside a > square in > other words the word file was now AAAA > the word edit is now AAAA every letter is now A inside a > square. Does > anyone have any idea what is going on > with this behavior? All programs operate normally in > safari all pages > read as always same in mail etc. > I is confused... any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA > Ed T > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Sat Apr 19 14:51:21 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Sat Apr 19 14:51:26 2008 Subject: [G4] all a's In-Reply-To: <5C5359C4-82DC-4E29-B9D2-6B3EE56BB690@cox.net> References: <5C5359C4-82DC-4E29-B9D2-6B3EE56BB690@cox.net> Message-ID: <480A6959.4050305@comcast.net> Hi Ed, Is it possible the language used for the application menus got set to something besides English? Check the International options in System Preferences. Eric Ed T wrote: > Hi all, I'm having a strange problem with my mother in laws computer. > She started it up yesterday to find all > menu items and file names were now the letter A inside a square in other > words the word file was now AAAA > the word edit is now AAAA every letter is now A inside a square. Does > anyone have any idea what is going on > with this behavior? All programs operate normally in safari all pages > read as always same in mail etc. > I is confused... any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA > Ed T > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From earle.jones at comcast.net Sat Apr 19 15:53:51 2008 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Sat Apr 19 15:54:07 2008 Subject: [G4] all a's In-Reply-To: <40629.42337.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <40629.42337.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <269A620D-57E6-45CE-8B81-B6D6CBE45629@comcast.net> On Apr 19, 2008, at 1:23 PM, John Niven wrote: > If you imagine the "square" as a hole in which the "A" resides, I > believe your problem is quite common: > > your Mother-in-law is an A-hole! * Anagram: Mother in law = Hitler woman. earle * From tresursi at operamail.com Sun Apr 20 09:37:19 2008 From: tresursi at operamail.com (Lars-Gunnar Larson) Date: Sun Apr 20 09:37:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade Message-ID: <20080420163719.6901D3AA732@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Lars-Gunnar Larson" Subject: Was Re: [G4] Upgrading now Sonnet G4 upgrade Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:13:15 +0100 Size: 3686 Url: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080420/aa79e6ab/attachment.mht From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Sun Apr 20 13:02:08 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Sun Apr 20 13:02:45 2008 Subject: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade In-Reply-To: <20080420163719.6901D3AA732@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080420163719.6901D3AA732@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <480BA140.5000606@comcast.net> I upgraded my Sawtooth with a Sonnet 1.0 GHz G4 with no problems at all. Even though it's not a 1.8, the L3 cache makes it much snappier than the original 400 MHz CPU. Eric Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Was Re: [G4] Upgrading now Sonnet G4 upgrade > From: > "Lars-Gunnar Larson" > Date: > Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:13:15 +0100 > To: > "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > > To: > "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > > > I have tried to install a !,8single upgrade in my Quicksilver but with no success. Anyone with that kind of problems with Encore/ST G4 and Quicksilver? > Lars-Gunnar > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brian Deuel" >> To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:34:23 -0400 >> >> >> >> I'm running the single 1.8ghz processor from Sonnet in my DP500. It runs >> Leopard decently, >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From tresursi at operamail.com Sun Apr 20 14:05:45 2008 From: tresursi at operamail.com (Lars-Gunnar Larson) Date: Sun Apr 20 14:08:50 2008 Subject: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade Message-ID: <20080420210545.2B3043AA646@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Smith" > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Subject: Re: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:02:08 -0700 > > > I upgraded my Sawtooth with a Sonnet 1.0 GHz G4 with no problems at all. > Even though it's not a 1.8, the L3 cache makes it much snappier than > the original 400 MHz CPU. > > Eric > Did you use OS9.2 for the update or OSX? Lars-Gunnar From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Sun Apr 20 14:48:45 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Sun Apr 20 14:49:07 2008 Subject: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade In-Reply-To: <20080420210545.2B3043AA646@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080420210545.2B3043AA646@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <480BBA3D.6050902@comcast.net> I'm running OS X, although upgrading the CPU required updating the Boot ROM to the latest version (4.2.8f1), which had to be done under OS 9. Eric Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eric Smith" >> To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." >> Subject: Re: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade >> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:02:08 -0700 >> >> >> I upgraded my Sawtooth with a Sonnet 1.0 GHz G4 with no problems at all. >> Even though it's not a 1.8, the L3 cache makes it much snappier than >> the original 400 MHz CPU. >> >> Eric >> > Did you use OS9.2 for the update or OSX? > Lars-Gunnar > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 20 16:38:38 2008 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick) Date: Sun Apr 20 16:39:02 2008 Subject: [G4] Sonnet G4 upgrade In-Reply-To: <480BA140.5000606@comcast.net> References: <20080420163719.6901D3AA732@ws5-8.us4.outblaze.com> <480BA140.5000606@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6BCB8420-2F23-434B-AFA2-9EB3CD70B7E8@sbcglobal.net> It should also be noted that those of us lucky enough to have a Quicksilver Dual 2002, also have at their disposal Dual 1 GB PowerPC G4 with 2 MB L3 Cache per processor and we find them faster "snappier" because of there L3 caches. And yes, OS X (10.5.2) Leopard... runs quite well! Thank God for those heavy hitting L3's Rich Houston /////////////// On Apr 20, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Eric Smith wrote: I upgraded my Sawtooth with a Sonnet 1.0 GHz G4 with no problems at all. Even though it's not a 1.8, the L3 cache makes it much snappier than the original 400 MHz CPU. Eric Lars-Gunnar Larson wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Subject: > Was Re: [G4] Upgrading now Sonnet G4 upgrade > From: > "Lars-Gunnar Larson" > Date: > Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:13:15 +0100 > To: > "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > To: > "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > I have tried to install a !,8single upgrade in my Quicksilver but > with no success. Anyone with that kind of problems with Encore/ST G4 > and Quicksilver? > Lars-Gunnar >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brian Deuel" >> To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> Subject: Re: [G4] Upgrading >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:34:23 -0400 >> >> >> >> I'm running the single 1.8ghz processor from Sonnet in my DP500. It >> runs >> Leopard decently, > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From fast_primes at hotmail.com Mon Apr 21 17:29:38 2008 From: fast_primes at hotmail.com (Fast Primes) Date: Mon Apr 21 17:29:45 2008 Subject: [G4] Continued problems with old G4! In-Reply-To: <20080420233900.8C43D1D03D30@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080420233900.8C43D1D03D30@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Gentlemen, I still have serious probelms with my old G4. If you recall, I queried the list some time ago regarding texteditor being unable to save a file, with TextEdit quitting with the error msg: "The application TextEdit has unexpectedly quit." Subsequently I downloaded and ran Onyx (version 1.3.1). The original problem persisted. Moreover, I noticed what seemed to be an inability to save ANY files by any application--not just TextEdit. Permanent cookies for example. The Verify and Repair of File Permissions by Onyx had no effect. Also the iTunes application has quit working after I tried a more extensive "treatment" by Onyx: - execute all maintenance scripts - optimize the system - delete internet caches and history - delete user caches files - delete archived logs, etc Anyway, it's occured to me that maybe the harddrive itself is failing--if so, isn't there a software test of some kind? Can anyone suggest anything else I could do? I have not deleted the system cache files--should I try that as well? What I am still able to do, is surf the internet, do various online transactions (ebay, amazon, etc), answer/reply email. Except, that sites which allow continued access after entering a user/pw, still require re-entry of user/pw at each new sign-on (NY Times for example). This seems to imply that it can't permanently save a cookie. One last thing--this system is VERY slow (internet usage) compared to a powerful Windows system. Is this just the nature of the beast? Below are my system specifics as reported by Onyx: Thanks. FP Model: Power Mac G4 (ACP Graphics) ID: PowerMac3.1 Code: Sawtooth Processor: powerpc, ppc7400 Frequency: 400Mhz System bus: 99Mhz Memory: 832 MB Kernel: Darwin version 6.8 (revision 199506) System: Mac OS X version 10.2.8 (build 6R73) Hard drive is around 10GB--unreported by Onyx. _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080421/4651837c/attachment.html From gifutiger at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 18:59:08 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Apr 21 19:00:39 2008 Subject: [G4] Continued problems with old G4! In-Reply-To: References: <20080420233900.8C43D1D03D30@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Have you taken a look at the log files, there should be an indication in the log as to why TextEdit is returning an error message, more than just unexpectedly quit. Next if you only have a 10GB drive and are running 10.2.8 plus other applications then I would suspect that you are out of working space on the drive. I'm sure that you realize "Virtual Memory" is disk space memory, and OSX needs free disk space just to operate and it uses a lot of "Virtual Memory" for most application that are loaded into active "RAM" memory. Open "Active Monitor" and check how much free disk space is available. Best regards, Harry ============================================ On Apr 21, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Fast Primes wrote: > Gentlemen, > > I still have serious probelms with my old G4. If you recall, I > queried the list some time ago regarding texteditor being unable to > save a file, with TextEdit quitting with the error msg: > > "The application TextEdit has unexpectedly quit." > > Subsequently I downloaded and ran Onyx (version 1.3.1). The original > problem persisted. Moreover, I noticed what seemed to be an > inability to save ANY files by any application--not just TextEdit. > Permanent cookies for example. The Verify and Repair of File > Permissions by Onyx had no effect. Also the iTunes application has > quit working after I tried a more extensive "treatment" by Onyx: > > - execute all maintenance scripts > - optimize the system > - delete internet caches and history > - delete user caches files > - delete archived logs, etc > > Anyway, it's occured to me that maybe the harddrive itself is > failing--if so, isn't there a software test of some kind? Can anyone > suggest anything else I could do? I have not deleted the system > cache files--should I try that as well? > > > What I am still able to do, is surf the internet, do various online > transactions (ebay, amazon, etc), answer/reply email. Except, that > sites which allow continued access after entering a user/pw, still > require re-entry of user/pw at each new sign-on (NY Times for > example). This seems to imply that it can't permanently save a cookie. > > One last thing--this system is VERY slow (internet usage) compared > to a powerful Windows system. Is this just the nature of the beast? > > Below are my system specifics as reported by Onyx: > > > Thanks. > > FP > > Model: Power Mac G4 (ACP Graphics) > ID: PowerMac3.1 > Code: Sawtooth > Processor: powerpc, ppc7400 > Frequency: 400Mhz > System bus: 99Mhz > Memory: 832 MB > > Kernel: Darwin version 6.8 (revision 199506) > System: Mac OS X version 10.2.8 (build 6R73) > > Hard drive is around 10GB--unreported by Onyx. From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 12:31:49 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed Apr 23 12:32:44 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 GE startup problems. Message-ID: <660332.69807.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> One of my gigabit Ethernet G4 towers is playing up. It has happened three times now. If there is an interruption in the power then it will not restart without encouragement. The first time was a power out. I eventually removed the PRAM battery and unplugged it. Left it for a couple of days, put everything back, then it restarted. The second time. I turned the power off to service some house wiring. I had forgot to shut down this computer, so had he same trouble as before, but eventually it started. Third time my son pulled the power with his foot. Now it won't restart. This is annoying as we often seem to have power outs here in Texas (so much for the hi tech USA). Anybody know if this kind of behavior is power supply or motherboard related? Thanks (y'all) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From f4jockey at yahoo.com Wed Apr 23 18:46:03 2008 From: f4jockey at yahoo.com (Ernest) Date: Wed Apr 23 18:47:03 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 GE startup problems. In-Reply-To: <660332.69807.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <979939.58951.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Maybe you need to push the cuda button. I live in Conroe, and have lots of power outages, works for me. EE. John Niven wrote: One of my gigabit Ethernet G4 towers is playing up. It has happened three times now. If there is an interruption in the power then it will not restart without encouragement. The first time was a power out. I eventually removed the PRAM battery and unplugged it. Left it for a couple of days, put everything back, then it restarted. The second time. I turned the power off to service some house wiring. I had forgot to shut down this computer, so had he same trouble as before, but eventually it started. Third time my son pulled the power with his foot. Now it won't restart. This is annoying as we often seem to have power outs here in Texas (so much for the hi tech USA). Anybody know if this kind of behavior is power supply or motherboard related? Thanks (y'all) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080423/28c35ae5/attachment.html From alpoulin at cox.net Thu Apr 24 07:10:16 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Thu Apr 24 07:11:06 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 GE startup problems. In-Reply-To: <979939.58951.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <979939.58951.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And the PRAM battery is fairly new with good voltage? It becomes suspect if it is over 4 years old, or even sooner if you've not had the machine plugged in to power for lengthy periods of time. Also, consider using a UPS with a feature that deals with brownouts. That eases the traumatic effects of power outages and weak voltage from the line. Al Poulin On Apr 23, 2008, at 9:46 PM, Ernest wrote: > Maybe you need to push the cuda button. I live in Conroe, and have > lots of power outages, works for me. EE. > > John Niven wrote: One of my gigabit Ethernet G4 > towers is playing up. It has happened three times now. If there is > an interruption in the power then it will not restart without > encouragement. > > The first time was a power out. I eventually removed the PRAM > battery and unplugged it. Left it for a couple of days, put > everything back, then it restarted. > > The second time. I turned the power off to service some house > wiring. I had forgot to shut down this computer, so had he same > trouble as before, but eventually it started. > > Third time my son pulled the power with his foot. Now it won't > restart. > > This is annoying as we often seem to have power outs here in Texas > (so much for the hi tech USA). Anybody know if this kind of behavior > is power supply or motherboard related? > > Thanks (y'all) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now._______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From alpoulin at cox.net Thu Apr 24 11:51:24 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Thu Apr 24 11:51:40 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 GE startup problems. In-Reply-To: <979939.58951.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <979939.58951.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9E716DE4-5F9F-425B-A21A-7D7C0D315F47@cox.net> In addition to my previous post, this current thread on another e-list is pertinent: * Emac Start Up Issues - Never Seen This Before...Any Suggestions? - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist/browse_thread/thread/20847845334115ff?hl=en Al Poulin On Apr 23, 2008, at 9:46 PM, Ernest wrote: > Maybe you need to push the cuda button. I live in Conroe, and have > lots of power outages, works for me. EE. > > John Niven wrote: One of my gigabit Ethernet G4 > towers is playing up. It has happened three times now. If there is > an interruption in the power then it will not restart without > encouragement. > > The first time was a power out. I eventually removed the PRAM > battery and unplugged it. Left it for a couple of days, put > everything back, then it restarted. > > The second time. I turned the power off to service some house > wiring. I had forgot to shut down this computer, so had he same > trouble as before, but eventually it started. > > Third time my son pulled the power with his foot. Now it won't > restart. > > This is annoying as we often seem to have power outs here in Texas > (so much for the hi tech USA). Anybody know if this kind of behavior > is power supply or motherboard related? > > Thanks (y'all) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now._______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From cdt at globaldsl.net Thu Apr 24 13:51:07 2008 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (C D T) Date: Thu Apr 24 13:51:32 2008 Subject: Fwd: [G4] G4 GE startup problems. Message-ID: <5bef820f929aad8353d05fd10aec9d96@globaldsl.net> Begin forwarded message: > It may help to do the "OF Fix". It certainly won't hurt and it can > solve a host of inexplicable problems - including the excessively loud > startup chime some of these machines seem to get periodically. Boot > into Open Firmware. Immediately upon hearing the startup chime, press > and hold the "option", "command" (the one with the apple on it), AND > the letters "O" and "F". That's four (4) different keys held down > simultaneously. The machine will enter a command line entry mode, > similar to the Terminal. You may just get a command prompt, or a > message that tells you to release the keys to continue. At the > command prompt, carefully type the following three lines, one at a > time, including the dash, and press return after each one. Type > exactly what is in the first line and hit the return key. The machine > will return an "OK" and the command prompt. Type the second line and > hit return. Type the third line and hit return. A message will flash > and the computer will reboot. Let it boot normally, then watch to see > if you have any repeat of the problem. > > reset-nvram > set-defaults > reset-all > > I would also suggest downloading MacJanitor, if you don't already have > it, and run it at least weekly. It performs the same tasks as Chron > which is supposed to run overnight. Since most machines are off or > asleep in the middle of the night, Chron (the daily, weekly, and > monthly cleanup tasks) often doesn't get run. Running them keeps OSX > running more smoothly. > > Good luck getting the problem handled. > > Dan > > > On Apr 23, 2008, at 9:46 PM, Ernest wrote: From g4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com Fri Apr 25 12:42:35 2008 From: g4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com (VIAGRA ® Official Site - Viva VIAGRA) Date: Fri Apr 25 12:43:49 2008 Subject: [G4] Dear g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com April 86% 0FF Message-ID: <20080425124233.13107.qmail@casper> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: VIAGRA ® Official Site - Viva VIAGRA Subject: [G4] Dear g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com April 86% 0FF Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Size: 4456 Url: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080425/1d8d37ef/attachment.mht From g4 at salemoregon.com Sat Apr 26 13:16:19 2008 From: g4 at salemoregon.com (jonny) Date: Sat Apr 26 13:16:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Source: Used G4 Parts Message-ID: Hello All. I check this ebay "store" now and then just to see what's available. I don't have any affiliation other than being a one-time purchaser of a switch. I thought listserve members would find this ever-changing list of parts interesting if not useful. Apparently these folks part-out all kinds of macs. Often parts for MDD's and other G4's. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmarinsmommy jonny /// From casamuels at gmail.com Sun Apr 27 09:43:13 2008 From: casamuels at gmail.com (Christina Samuels) Date: Sun Apr 27 09:43:50 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 Message-ID: <2a1dfa490804270943y541c1f9coee139d3bda3156b6@mail.gmail.com> Hi all! My mom was cleaning out the basement and let me take her pretty-close-to-stock G4/500 (it has a stick of 64 megs of RAM in it in addition to the stock 256, but that's all the changes that I can see.) I know this is far from the latest and greatest (I have a Macbook Core 2 Duo now) but I think the upgradeability of it is pretty cool. I just want to play around with it, recognizing that it can't do everything newer machines can do, and it's not as fast. So I don't want to spend a Mac Mini-sized amount of money on it. I'd be using it for iTunes, NeoOffice, surfing...light stuff. Not iMovie or processor-intensive design work; I assume it's not well suited for that in its stock configuration. So my thoughts are: 1. See if it still works (it turns on, I hear the disk spinning, but I didn't hear the Mac "bong") 2. Get a monitor (this was already in my plans, because I wanted one for when I need to work for a long time on my Macbook. Can the video card in this computer work with today's monitors?) 3. Get more RAM 4. Install Tiger 5. Hard drive? Superdrive? Processor upgrade? I've read that a processor upgrade is not a good investment because these machines are still so behind the Intel Macs. A super drive is not that expensive, so, maybe? I already have an external firewire drive that I use for Time Machine backups, so I don't know about getting a hard drive. But I know they're also pretty cheap, so, maybe? I don't need wireless because I have an Airport Extreme Base Station and (I'm assuming) I can just connect it by Ethernet. 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080427/8e077954/attachment.html From britchey11 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 27 10:10:08 2008 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Sun Apr 27 10:10:18 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490804270943y541c1f9coee139d3bda3156b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <105659.1617.qm@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> well, heres what a do with mine i kept os9.1 one not two, one is more useful, and then install 10 , best to leave out the classic 9 since its just an emulator and wont run many 9 apps.-so that its a dual boot, you just go to the pefrence panel in either system and tell it to restart from the other system. the machine will run faster in 9,1 than in 10. things that i do in 9.1: the main thing that i do is edit video, i use cinestream which is a very good system that got bought by autodesk and is used for feature movies. its much easier to learn than anything else and renders 4 times faster than fcp and twice as fast as premiere. you can also run older editions of premiere. you can buy these on ebay for nothing. i have a new version of fcp on a new machine but i edit 90% of my video on my g4 400 and use fcp only when i need a tool. and tools for video are now becoming stand-alone so increasingly i just restart my g4 into 10 and use the newer tools without going to my fcp machine. i also have some 9apps that i stilll use, i'm travelling now so they are not on this machine and cant think of their names, but one is a photo video, image cataloger that will find everything visual on the drives and make a thumbnail of it so you where it is. it will play the video clips too. i use destiny media player which will do the same thing with all sounds on your disks and is an easier way to manage radio stations than itunes. i also just spend less time waiting for my g4 w/9.1 to do things, i have 3 machines that run on 10 and i'm reminded every day that os 9.1 is faster and more stable --- Christina Samuels wrote: > Hi all! My mom was cleaning out the basement and let > me take her > pretty-close-to-stock G4/500 (it has a stick of 64 > megs of RAM in it in > addition to the stock 256, but that's all the > changes that I can see.) > > I know this is far from the latest and greatest (I > have a Macbook Core 2 Duo > now) but I think the upgradeability of it is pretty > cool. I just want to > play around with it, recognizing that it can't do > everything newer machines > can do, and it's not as fast. So I don't want to > spend a Mac Mini-sized > amount of money on it. I'd be using it for iTunes, > NeoOffice, > surfing...light stuff. Not iMovie or > processor-intensive design work; I > assume it's not well suited for that in its stock > configuration. > > So my thoughts are: > > 1. See if it still works (it turns on, I hear the > disk spinning, but I > didn't hear the Mac "bong") > > 2. Get a monitor (this was already in my plans, > because I wanted one for > when I need to work for a long time on my Macbook. > Can the video card in > this computer work with today's monitors?) > > 3. Get more RAM > > 4. Install Tiger > > 5. Hard drive? Superdrive? Processor upgrade? I've > read that a processor > upgrade is not a good investment because these > machines are still so behind > the Intel Macs. A super drive is not that expensive, > so, maybe? I already > have an external firewire drive that I use for Time > Machine backups, so I > don't know about getting a hard drive. But I know > they're also pretty cheap, > so, maybe? > > I don't need wireless because I have an Airport > Extreme Base Station and > (I'm assuming) I can just connect it by Ethernet. > > Is there anything I'm not thinking of? Any other > suggestions you experts > might have? Thanks very much in advance for any > advice you may be able to > lend! > > Christina > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From senseamp at yahoo.com Sun Apr 27 12:26:45 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Sun Apr 27 12:26:56 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490804270943y541c1f9coee139d3bda3156b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483501.68974.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> 1. See if it still works (it turns on, I hear the disk spinning, but I didn't hear the Mac "bong") This is a little worrying. It should "bong", even without a monitor. Would this machine still have OS 9 on it? It might need a firmware update before converting to osx. This has to be done from os9. So don't wipe the drive yet. Once the firmware update is done you can junk os9. I know others like to proclaim the wonders of classic os (I loved os6), but time moves on and unless you have old apps you need to run just go with Tiger. Buy a secondhand retail copy. It will make networking with your MacBook easier also. Tiger normally comes on a DVD. I assume you have a DVD reader in your G4? 2. Get a monitor (this was already in my plans, because I wanted one for when I need to work for a long time on my Macbook. Can the video card in this computer work with today's monitors?) What connectors does your video card have? Probably a standard VGA, and maybe a DVI or ADC as well. If you get a monitor with a VGA input, your video card will work up to 1600 X 1200. I would go ahead with the monitor purchase first, because I like to use a monitor with a laptop when not mobile. Maybe you should look for a KVM switch that would allow you to conveniently share a monitor, mouse and keyboard between laptop and G4. 3. Get more RAM 1Gb is good with Tiger. You should have four slots so you could go for an additional 3 X 256Mb, or even one 256 and one 512. or two 512....... More memory is money well spent. 4. Install Tiger Yes, but note you might have to use os9 to do the firmware update first. In your situation, I would aim at using this machine as a back-up for your MacBook. So a priority is one or two big harddrives. These are cheap these days. The limit is two 128GB drives on your internal bus. This means that if you buy 160Gb drives then when you try to format them they will appear as 128Gb. But don't worry about that. I would buy two identical NEW drives and set them up as a RAID mirror. You would then have 128Gb of safe storage. 5. Hard drive? Superdrive? Processor upgrade? I suppose the ability to burn a cd from iTunes is useful, but you can do that on your MacBook. If your G4 motherboard can take it, then a dual 500MHz is an easy upgrade, but only worth it for the right deal :-) You can also look for an original airport card if wireless is an advantage. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Sun Apr 27 14:49:21 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Sun Apr 27 14:49:27 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <105659.1617.qm@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <105659.1617.qm@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4814F4E1.8050305@comcast.net> bill ritchey wrote: ... > install 10 , best to leave out the classic 9 since its > just an emulator and wont run many 9 apps. That is not correct. The Classic environment runs PowerPC code natively. The only emulation involved is running M68K code, which is the same emulation you have under OS9 on PPC machines. Classic runs most classic apps just fine. Some even run faster than under OS9 due to better OS code performance. The problems occur when a classic app is not well-behaved: either it wants to take over the system hardware, or it expects not to give up the CPU under classic OS cooperative multitasking. I have used Classic mode for years under different versions of OS X (until Leopard of course) with lots of classic apps and have rarely experienced any problems at all. Recently I tried an experiment: I tried running the 1986 versions of MacWrite and MacPaint that came with my first Mac, a Mac Plus. MacPaint actually worked under classic on Tiger; MacWrite didn't (I would have guessed it would have been the reverse). It's a testament to Apple's commitment to backward compatibility that a 22 year old app can still run under the latest OS, and I'm really sorry to see them drop this capability with Leopard. Eric From richspk at gmail.com Sun Apr 27 15:31:45 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sun Apr 27 15:31:53 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <483501.68974.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <2a1dfa490804270943y541c1f9coee139d3bda3156b6@mail.gmail.com> <483501.68974.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30804271531p7d3ef3bet3a147654cf5381a2@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 3:26 PM, John Niven wrote: > 1. See if it still works (it turns on, I hear the disk spinning, but I didn't hear the Mac "bong") > > This is a little worrying. It should "bong", even without a monitor. Would this machine still have OS 9 on it? It might need a firmware update before converting to osx. This has to be done from os9. So don't wipe the drive yet. Once the firmware update is done you can junk os9. The lack of bong is a bad sign, but I bet it could be caused by a dead battery, which is easily replaced. -- Rich From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Sun Apr 27 15:36:24 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Sun Apr 27 15:36:26 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490804270943y541c1f9coee139d3bda3156b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490804270943y541c1f9coee139d3bda3156b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4814FFE8.4070402@comcast.net> Hi Christina, I recently went through a process of upgrading my Sawtooth G4, which, similar to yours, had 320MB RAM, with a 400 MHz CPU. I wanted to run Leopard, just because it's there (and to be able to use Time Machine), but assuming your hardware is in good working condition, Tiger is an excellent choice for this system - maybe the best the OS for it. I ran Tiger for years even without upgrading from that configuration, but you would benefit from at least a couple things: - Number one, I would say to install more memory. You want to have at least 1 GB, maybe more. That will probably speed up the system considerably. - Second priority would be the CPU. I upgraded with a Sonnet 1.0 GHz w/ 2MB L3 cache, and I'm pretty happy. Going to 1.8 GHz is also an option. I don't have any experience with dual CPUs, so I can't say if that would be noticeably faster. - A Firewire external drive is good but will be slower than an internal drive, even though this machine probably has ATA/66 internally. If that's the case you can have two internal ATA drives. Depending on which model of G4 this is, you may be limited to 128 GB max for each drive. (See: http://lowendmac.com/macdan/05/1024.html) To get more capacity, and better performance, you can add a SATA drive, but that involves more expense because you'd also have to add a PCI controller card. - The stock video card will work fine, unless you want to run Leopard, or do serious gaming. In that case you would need to upgrade it. But there should be no problem with Tiger. - Another thing you may want to consider is adding a USB 2.0 card, if your system does not have USB 2.0 built in. - Yes, you can connect to your AEBS with Ethernet. That's what I do and it works well. Eric Christina Samuels wrote: > Hi all! My mom was cleaning out the basement and let me take her > pretty-close-to-stock G4/500 (it has a stick of 64 megs of RAM in it in > addition to the stock 256, but that's all the changes that I can see.) > > I know this is far from the latest and greatest (I have a Macbook Core 2 > Duo now) but I think the upgradeability of it is pretty cool. I just > want to play around with it, recognizing that it can't do everything > newer machines can do, and it's not as fast. So I don't want to spend a > Mac Mini-sized amount of money on it. I'd be using it for iTunes, > NeoOffice, surfing...light stuff. Not iMovie or processor-intensive > design work; I assume it's not well suited for that in its stock > configuration. > > So my thoughts are: > > 1. See if it still works (it turns on, I hear the disk spinning, but I > didn't hear the Mac "bong") > > 2. Get a monitor (this was already in my plans, because I wanted one for > when I need to work for a long time on my Macbook. Can the video card in > this computer work with today's monitors?) > > 3. Get more RAM > > 4. Install Tiger > > 5. Hard drive? Superdrive? Processor upgrade? I've read that a processor > upgrade is not a good investment because these machines are still so > behind the Intel Macs. A super drive is not that expensive, so, maybe? I > already have an external firewire drive that I use for Time Machine > backups, so I don't know about getting a hard drive. But I know they're > also pretty cheap, so, maybe? > > I don't need wireless because I have an Airport Extreme Base Station and > (I'm assuming) I can just connect it by Ethernet. > > Is there anything I'm not thinking of? Any other suggestions you experts > might have? Thanks very much in advance for any advice you may be able > to lend! > > Christina > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From casamuels at earthlink.net Sun Apr 27 20:21:51 2008 From: casamuels at earthlink.net (Christina Samuels) Date: Sun Apr 27 20:23:16 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 Message-ID: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> Thanks so much for all the tips! It's definitely not "bonging." Uh oh! And, this computer would have some version of OS 9 on it; when it stopped working right (it seems like I recall there was some kind of sleep/wake/freeze problem going on) we got my Mom a Mac Mini, which she's had ever since. I wish I could remember the details of what was happening to it, but it has been a while. I think I've read that these computers can have sleep/wake problems; are such things generally hard to fix? I guess it's hard to really answer that without actually knowing what's wrong with it. To answer some other questions: *This computer does have DVD-RAM, so I'm guessing Tiger won't be a problem, should I get to that point. *It has a VGA and a DVI connector *It doesn't have USB 2.0 built in. That would be nice. I wouldn't mind keeping my iTunes library on this computer...if it works! So I'll look into the battery and the monitor/keyboard stuff first before I go down the road of ordering new memory and other parts. I really appreciate this; assuming that this poor guy isn't DOA I'm looking at this as a bit of a learning project for me. From cdt at globaldsl.net Sun Apr 27 20:52:35 2008 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (C D T) Date: Sun Apr 27 20:52:47 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> References: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7534b11be61d72b7f817164653faf941@globaldsl.net> Once you verify that it has a good battery, and you have a monitor connected, it may help to do the "OF Fix" (Open Firmware resets). It certainly won't hurt and it can solve a host of inexplicable problems - including the excessively loud startup chime some of these machines seem to get periodically. Boot into Open Firmware like this: Immediately upon hearing the startup chime (or in your case, immediately after pressing the start button), press and hold the "option", "command" (the one with the apple on it), AND the letters "O" and "F". That's four (4) different keys held down simultaneously. The machine will enter a command line entry mode, similar to the Terminal. You may just get a command prompt, or a message that tells you to release the keys to continue. At the command prompt, carefully type the following three lines, one at a time, including the dash, and press return after each one. Type exactly what is in the first line and hit the return key. The machine will return an "OK" and the command prompt. Type the second line and hit return. Type the third line and hit return. A message will flash and the computer will reboot. Let it boot normally, then check to see if you have any repeat of the problem. reset-nvram set-defaults reset-all I would also suggest downloading MacJanitor, if you don't already have it, and run it at least weekly. It performs the same tasks as Chron which is supposed to run overnight. Since most machines are off or asleep in the middle of the night, Chron (the daily, weekly, and monthly cleanup tasks) often doesn't get run. Running them keeps OSX running more smoothly. Good luck getting your "new" old mac off the ground. I have four (4) machines of this era plus a G3 in the same format. They all run well and have given me minimal problems. I have a G4 "gigabit ethernet 450 Mhz, a G4 Dual 500 Mhz, a G4 Dual 1 Ghz Quicksilver, and a G4 Dual 1Ghz MDD. The Open Firmware resets have solved some really crazy things, including the gigabit ethernet being intermittent about sounding the chime on startup. Sometimes it would, other times it wouldn't. It would start and run even when the chime didn't sound, but it wasn't right. It would do oddball things - refusing to save documents, apps quitting for no apparent reason, apps refusing to start, no internet connection, etc. The OF resets cured it all. I do them regularly - at lease once a week - on all my macs - even my rev B imac from 1998 - which still runs OS 8.6. Dan On Apr 27, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Christina Samuels wrote: > Thanks so much for all the tips! > > It's definitely not "bonging." Uh oh! From bco at hiwaay.net Mon Apr 28 06:55:08 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Mon Apr 28 06:55:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <7534b11be61d72b7f817164653faf941@globaldsl.net> References: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> <7534b11be61d72b7f817164653faf941@globaldsl.net> Message-ID: <20080428085508287878.051119ec@hiwaay.net> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:21:51 -0400, Christina Samuels wrote: > I think I've read that these computers can have sleep/wake problems; are such things generally hard to fix? I guess it's hard to really answer that without actually knowing what's wrong with it. Without knowing what's happening with it, this might be a possible help: > To answer some other questions: *This computer does have DVD-RAM, so I'm guessing Tiger won't be a problem, should I get to that point. Tiger works fine on it. If you want to use any OS9 apps, install 9.2.2 and Tiger. > .......... *It doesn't have USB 2.0 built in. That would be nice. I wouldn't mind keeping my iTunes library on this computer...if it works! iTunes will work on it OK. I think you can add a USB2 card if you want. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From casamuels at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 08:46:41 2008 From: casamuels at gmail.com (Christina Samuels) Date: Mon Apr 28 08:46:55 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 Message-ID: <2a1dfa490804280846t1ecc9c25t3114bf4af69c87c0@mail.gmail.com> I mentioned USB 2.0 because I thought it would allow the iPod to sync faster. Tx for that resetting the PMU link. I'll give that a try. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080428/c4e18728/attachment-0001.html From bco at hiwaay.net Mon Apr 28 09:11:44 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Mon Apr 28 09:13:49 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490804280846t1ecc9c25t3114bf4af69c87c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490804280846t1ecc9c25t3114bf4af69c87c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080428111144595292.efcd3379@hiwaay.net> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:46:41 -0400, Christina Samuels wrote: > Tx for that resetting the PMU link. I'll give that a try. The tiny little button is found in different locations, depending on your exact model. You should be able to find a diagram showing exactly where it is on yours. Of course, this might not fix your problem. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From britchey11 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 09:20:19 2008 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Mon Apr 28 09:20:58 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <480538.84983.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> there is a battery near that button. yes there is a way to hold down the button and make it start a few more times even if that battery is dead but its best to change the battery. the sleep problems are an indication of a low battery. Christina Samuels wrote: Thanks so much for all the tips! It's definitely not "bonging." Uh oh! And, this computer would have some version of OS 9 on it; when it stopped working right (it seems like I recall there was some kind of sleep/wake/freeze problem going on) we got my Mom a Mac Mini, which she's had ever since. I wish I could remember the details of what was happening to it, but it has been a while. I think I've read that these computers can have sleep/wake problems; are such things generally hard to fix? I guess it's hard to really answer that without actually knowing what's wrong with it. To answer some other questions: *This computer does have DVD-RAM, so I'm guessing Tiger won't be a problem, should I get to that point. *It has a VGA and a DVI connector *It doesn't have USB 2.0 built in. That would be nice. I wouldn't mind keeping my iTunes library on this computer...if it works! So I'll look into the battery and the monitor/keyboard stuff first before I go down the road of ordering new memory and other parts. I really appreciate this; assuming that this poor guy isn't DOA I'm looking at this as a bit of a learning project for me. _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080428/b6ed074d/attachment.html From richspk at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 09:22:47 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Mon Apr 28 09:23:12 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490804280846t1ecc9c25t3114bf4af69c87c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490804280846t1ecc9c25t3114bf4af69c87c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00fe01c8a94c$1ced9500$37d816ac@hologic.corp> > -----Original Message----- > From: Christina Samuels > > I mentioned USB 2.0 because I thought it would allow the iPod > to sync faster. I don't have an iPod, but downloading pictures off my camera's memory card goes a *lot* faster since I put a USB 2.0 card in my QuickSilver (it's an IOGear card, if anyone's curious). -- Rich From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Mon Apr 28 09:45:26 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Mon Apr 28 09:45:41 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490804280846t1ecc9c25t3114bf4af69c87c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490804280846t1ecc9c25t3114bf4af69c87c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4815FF26.3050506@comcast.net> Christina Samuels wrote: > I mentioned USB 2.0 because I thought it would allow the iPod to sync > faster. Yes, much faster. There's a 40x difference in theoretical speed, 12 Mb/s vs. 480 Mb/s, although actual speeds for USB 2.0 probably top out at around 300 Mb/s. Still, it's a big difference; you'll feel like you're growing old waiting for 20GB to download at USB 1.1 speed. :) Eric From richspk at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 09:44:25 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Mon Apr 28 09:53:13 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <20080428111144595292.efcd3379@hiwaay.net> References: <2a1dfa490804280846t1ecc9c25t3114bf4af69c87c0@mail.gmail.com> <20080428111144595292.efcd3379@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <010501c8a94f$1ea1a640$37d816ac@hologic.corp> > On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:46:41 -0400, Christina Samuels wrote: > > Tx for that resetting the PMU link. I'll give that a try. Oh, by the way, here are a couple links for the battery: $4.99+shipping from Other World Computing: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/BAA36VPRAM/ $17.99 from Radio Shack: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2104707 $9.99 from Radio Shack (with higher mAh rating!): http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2726113 What you want to look for is an "ER3S" battery. Those are lithium batteries, 3.6 volts, and the size is known as "1/2 AA"; they're approximately 1/2 as long as a AA battery. It looks like Apple used this battery in all the Power Macs, and many more models, including the iMacs and the IIGS. -- Rich From jmsparks1 at verizon.net Mon Apr 28 16:27:00 2008 From: jmsparks1 at verizon.net (John Sparks) Date: Mon Apr 28 16:27:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Moving List to my G4 file Message-ID: Hello: I upgraded to a Mac Pro and lost the ability to move your list after I read them to my G4 File on my Hard Drive. Is this because the Pro is an Intel or something in your G4 List. Thank you, I greatly appreciate your list and save the ones of interest, er that is I used to. John Sparks From douglist at macnauchtan.com Mon Apr 28 16:43:21 2008 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Mon Apr 28 16:44:17 2008 Subject: [G4] Moving List to my G4 file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 16:27 -0700 4/28/08, John Sparks wrote: >I upgraded to a Mac Pro and lost the ability to move your list after I read them to my G4 File on my Hard Drive. Is this because the Pro is an Intel or something in your G4 List. >Thank you, I greatly appreciate your list and save the ones of interest, er that is I used to. e-mail is all text. What mail client and version were you using on the G4 and what mail client and version is on the Mac Pro? If you were using OS 9 on the G4 there might be problems with line-ends. It's conceivable that byte order is involved but, because it's all text, any regularly available transfer should handle that. Did you use any strange procedure to move the files over? Are new files from the list - this one for instance - behaving properly? -- --> From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. <-- From gifutiger at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 17:21:07 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Apr 28 17:21:32 2008 Subject: [G4] Moving List to my G4 file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) eMail files are not compatible between OSX 10.3 and OSX 10.5! If you want to have eMail files from OSX 10.1/10.2/10.3 then you will have to load mail and select File/Import Mailboxes... Then you will need to edit the imported mail box for the files that you want. ---------------------------------------------------- On Apr 28, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: > At 16:27 -0700 4/28/08, John Sparks wrote: >> I upgraded to a Mac Pro and lost the ability to move your list >> after I read them to my G4 File on my Hard Drive. Is this because >> the Pro is an Intel or something in your G4 List. >> Thank you, I greatly appreciate your list and save the ones of >> interest, er that is I used to. > > e-mail is all text. What mail client and version were you using on > the G4 and what mail client and version is on the Mac Pro? > > If you were using OS 9 on the G4 there might be problems with line- > ends. It's conceivable that byte order is involved but, because it's > all text, any regularly available transfer should handle that. Did > you use any strange procedure to move the files over? > > Are new files from the list - this one for instance - behaving > properly? > -- From alpoulin at cox.net Mon Apr 28 17:22:18 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Mon Apr 28 17:23:00 2008 Subject: [G4] Moving List to my G4 file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 28, 2008, at 7:27 PM, John Sparks wrote: > Hello: > I upgraded to a Mac Pro and lost the ability to move your list after > I read them to my G4 File on my Hard Drive. Is this because the Pro > is an Intel or something in your G4 List. > Thank you, I greatly appreciate your list and save the ones of > interest, er that is I used to. > John Sparks John: Please describe the process you used with your old Mac. Are you talking about the individual e-mails that come to you in feed mode? This is the way I receive the messages of this list. I can save them to any folder in my Mac, just as I can save any other text document. The method is basically the same for any Macintosh or any version of the operating system. The details of exactly how the process works may be different between the old and the new OSs. I am using Leopard OS X 120.5.2. With the e-mail/message open, I go to the File menu and select Save As. A box opens up, presenting the name of the e-mail in the Save As line, and a Where selection which defaults to my Home directory. I click the arrow at the right of the name of the e-mail so that it points up. This shows a list of folders in my home directory, including the Documents folder. This is where all your text files should go. In there should be a folder named "G4 File" if you like. Select that and hit the Save button. Al Poulin From jmsparks1 at verizon.net Mon Apr 28 19:11:50 2008 From: jmsparks1 at verizon.net (John Sparks) Date: Mon Apr 28 19:12:47 2008 Subject: [G4] Moving G4 List to Hard Drive Message-ID: <95717ED6-33E4-48DE-B550-DE3B7BF06B10@verizon.net> Hi Al and others: I apparently was not clear, on my old G4 1.25Dual 800 running OS 10.4.11, I saved all the G4 List to my Hard Drive, which I still have on an external H/D. ( Old G4 Power Supply and Logic Board crashed an burned, mysteriously). This was in Mail and to a Mailbox in Mail. Now on the Mac Pro, OS 10.5.2 and in Mail I can file all e-mail to a mailbox except My G4 List. It will not let me move it. This stumps me, I tried moving a copy, and I tried resending list to me, to no avail. My PowerBook G4 with OS 10.4.11, never had a problem. John From rcbuitron at speakeasy.net Mon Apr 28 19:32:41 2008 From: rcbuitron at speakeasy.net (Robert C. Buitron) Date: Mon Apr 28 19:32:53 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: items available Message-ID: <481688C9.1030901@speakeasy.net> Hi folks, I hope this is ok to post. I swapped out some stuff on my computers. Before I place these items on eBay or Craigslist, I thought someone on this list might have an interest. I did some G4 upgrading and have for sale: ACard ? AEC6280M, PCI Ultra ATA/133 IDE Adaptor/Controller card, with manual, Support CD, IDE 80 pin cable, Y-split Power cord, Screw x4, and HD mounting kit. Asking $40 plus shipping in its original package. This will extend the G4 GB capacity beyond 120GB. IDE cable connectors: 24 inch Ultra ATA IDE ribbon cable, 3 connector (80 pin), and 18 inch Ultra ATA IDE ribbon cable, 3 connector (80 pin). Asking $12 together plus shipping. RAM from Crucial, 512MB, 168-pin DIMM, 64M x 64 SDRAM PC133 non parity for MAC G4 Quicksilver 2002 dual processor. Asking $40 plus shipping in its original package. Yes, I did save the boxes for some obsessive reason. All work fine. The ACard works fine with OS10.5.2, which I had in my G4 MDD, 1.25 GHz, FW800. Please contact me off the list if interested. Rob From alpoulin at cox.net Mon Apr 28 19:54:38 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Mon Apr 28 19:54:48 2008 Subject: [G4] Moving G4 List to Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <95717ED6-33E4-48DE-B550-DE3B7BF06B10@verizon.net> References: <95717ED6-33E4-48DE-B550-DE3B7BF06B10@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0ECAEF3C-3BCA-4FEA-B9CA-B329793FEE76@cox.net> On Apr 28, 2008, at 10:11 PM, John Sparks wrote: > Hi Al and others: > I apparently was not clear, on my old G4 1.25Dual 800 running OS > 10.4.11, I saved all the G4 List to my Hard Drive, which I still > have on an external H/D. ( Old G4 Power Supply and Logic Board > crashed an burned, mysteriously). This was in Mail and to a Mailbox > in Mail. > > Now on the Mac Pro, OS 10.5.2 and in Mail I can file all e-mail to a > mailbox except My G4 List. It will not let me move it. This stumps > me, I tried moving a copy, and I tried resending list to me, to no > avail. > My PowerBook G4 with OS 10.4.11, never had a problem. John: Are you saying that you cannot drag an individual e-mail in this list, like this one that I am sending you, from the Inbox to another mailbox that you have created? Hmmm! On your PowerBook, and the old G4, exactly how did you get a G4 List item to its designated mailbox? Whether an incoming e-mail is open or closed, to put it into a mailbox that I created, I find that e-mail as listed in the Inbox window. Then I select and drag the entire line identifying that e-mail over to the left and directly down (or up) to the designated mailbox in the sidebar. Al Poulin From douglist at macnauchtan.com Mon Apr 28 20:00:44 2008 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Mon Apr 28 20:03:47 2008 Subject: [G4] Moving G4 List to Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <95717ED6-33E4-48DE-B550-DE3B7BF06B10@verizon.net> References: <95717ED6-33E4-48DE-B550-DE3B7BF06B10@verizon.net> Message-ID: At 19:11 -0700 4/28/08, John Sparks wrote: >Hi Al and others: >I apparently was not clear, on my old G4 1.25Dual 800 running OS 10.4.11, I saved all the G4 List to my Hard Drive, which I still have on an external H/D. ( Old G4 Power Supply and Logic Board crashed and burned, mysteriously). This was in Mail and to a Mailbox in Mail. > >Now on the Mac Pro, OS 10.5.2 and in Mail I can file all e-mail to a >mailbox except My G4 List. It will not let me move it. This stumps me, I tried moving a copy, and I tried resending list to me, to no avail. That sure sounds like a badly damaged file on the disk. It's the kind of thing that can happen is a hardware failure in the computer occurred while writing additions to the file. You might try making a copy of the file with Terminal.app. cp is the logical UNIX command. cpMac was the way to go in 10.3.9 but I think its features are included in cp as of Leopard. DIsk Utility might be helpful. List-Archive: But it seems not to be working tonight. I probably have the messages on a disk somewhere. They would be in "standard" *.mbx files as kept by Eudora pretty much the same way they're kept on a POP3 server. Reply off line if you want to pursue that. Leave the subject line as is to keep out of my filters. -- --> If it's not on fire it's a software problem. <-- From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon Apr 28 20:33:05 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon Apr 28 20:33:16 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> References: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 27 Apr, 2008, at 8:21 PM, Christina Samuels wrote: > It's definitely not "bonging." If it is NOT "bonging", what sound is it making (if any)? The start-up sound can give an indication of what sort of problem you have. This is specially so if the problem involves RAM. Also, you didn't (that I recall) indicate how much RAM is installed. Remove it and look for a label indicating how much RAM is on the module. In order to run any version of OS-X, you should consider at least 256Mb as a start and put in as much as you can afford without having to break open the piggy bank. I don't have any Mac running OS-X with less than 768Mb RAM (currently 1 MacBookPro, 1 G4 PowerBook, 1 G3 PowerBook, 1 PowerPC G5, 1 G4 MDD, 1 G4 Gbit Ethernet, 1 G4 eMac, 1 G4 AGP, and 1 G3 Beige DT[this is the one with only 768Mb). The more RAM, the better!!!!! From tabdave at ca.rr.com Mon Apr 28 21:41:27 2008 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Mon Apr 28 21:41:41 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: References: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: My DP500 bongs only about one out of ten times I start it up, and otherwise it works fine. David On Apr 28, 2008, at 8:33 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > On 27 Apr, 2008, at 8:21 PM, Christina Samuels wrote: > >> It's definitely not "bonging." > > If it is NOT "bonging", what sound is it making (if any)? The start- > up sound can give an indication of what sort of problem you have. > This is specially so if the problem involves RAM. > > Also, you didn't (that I recall) indicate how much RAM is > installed. Remove it and look for a label indicating how much RAM > is on the module. In order to run any version of OS-X, you should > consider at least 256Mb as a start and put in as much as you can > afford without having to break open the piggy bank. I don't have > any Mac running OS-X with less than 768Mb RAM (currently 1 > MacBookPro, 1 G4 PowerBook, 1 G3 PowerBook, 1 PowerPC G5, 1 G4 MDD, > 1 G4 Gbit Ethernet, 1 G4 eMac, 1 G4 AGP, and 1 G3 Beige DT[this is > the one with only 768Mb). > > The more RAM, the better!!!!! > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From alpoulin at cox.net Tue Apr 29 12:06:14 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Tue Apr 29 12:07:56 2008 Subject: [G4] Moving G4 List to Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: <95717ED6-33E4-48DE-B550-DE3B7BF06B10@verizon.net> Message-ID: <62C1870E-B1BB-4504-8D91-E8D06C8674DC@cox.net> On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:00 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: > At 19:11 -0700 4/28/08, John Sparks wrote: >> Hi Al and others: >> I apparently was not clear, on my old G4 1.25Dual 800 running OS >> 10.4.11, I saved all the G4 List to my Hard Drive, which I still >> have on an external H/D. ( Old G4 Power Supply and Logic Board >> crashed and burned, mysteriously). This was in Mail and to a >> Mailbox in Mail. >> >> Now on the Mac Pro, OS 10.5.2 and in Mail I can file all e-mail to a >> mailbox except My G4 List. It will not let me move it. This stumps >> me, I tried moving a copy, and I tried resending list to me, to no >> avail. > > That sure sounds like a badly damaged file on the disk. It's the > kind of thing that can happen is a hardware failure in the computer > occurred while writing additions to the file. > > You might try making a copy of the file with Terminal.app. cp is the > logical UNIX command. cpMac was the way to go in 10.3.9 but I think > its features are included in cp as of Leopard. DIsk Utility might be > helpful. > > List-Archive: > > But it seems not to be working tonight. > > I probably have the messages on a disk somewhere. They would be in > "standard" *.mbx files as kept by Eudora pretty much the same way > they're kept on a POP3 server. Reply off line if you want to pursue > that. Leave the subject line as is to keep out of my filters. This is still a pretty blurry picture to me. I do not know for sure whether John has a problem saving individual G4 List messages to a mailbox or a problem moving an entire folder or mailbox full of G4 List mail from one place to another. Al Poulin From earle.jones at comcast.net Tue Apr 29 13:08:21 2008 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Tue Apr 29 13:08:36 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: References: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Apr 28, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Crandon David wrote: > My DP500 bongs only about one out of ten times I start it up, and > otherwise it works fine. > > David * It should 'bong'. The 'bong' is your friend. Here's how to make it 'bong' every time (unless you have something else broken.) Restart your computer while holding down four keys: Command, Option, 'o', and 'f' (That's the letter 'o' and the letter 'f'.) This starts your computer up in 'open firmware' mode. At the prompt, type: reset-nvram (then carriage return) Then type: reset-all You might have to do this more than once. (nvram is non-volatile RAM.) To check the startup disk there is another procedure: Restart you computer while holding down three keys: Command, Option, and 's'. This starts your computer up in 'single-user' mode. At the prompt, type: fsck -y (then carriage return) Important: note the space between the k and the - To reboot, type: reboot Finally, you can reset 'parameter ram' by starting up while holding down these four keys: Command, Option, 'p' and 'r' Have fun! earle * ________________________ Earle Jones ? 380 Conil Way Portola Valley CA 94028 Home: 650-854-1489 Cell: 650-269-0035 earle.jones@comcast.net From cdt at globaldsl.net Tue Apr 29 15:14:22 2008 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (C D T) Date: Tue Apr 29 15:14:39 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: References: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Earl, there is another step in the OF reset sequence reset-nvram set-defaults reset-all I use the OF resets regularly, whenever something weird starts. =20 Usually fixes it right up. Can't always tell what the problem was, but=20= ITS GONE! Dan On Apr 29, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Earle Jones wrote: > > On Apr 28, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Crandon David wrote: > >> My DP500 bongs only about one out of ten times I start it up, and=20 >> otherwise it works fine. >> >> David > > * > It should 'bong'. The 'bong' is your friend. > > Here's how to make it 'bong' every time (unless you have something=20 > else broken.) > > Restart your computer while holding down four keys: Command, Option,=20= > 'o', and 'f' > (That's the letter 'o' and the letter 'f'.) > > This starts your computer up in 'open firmware' mode. > > At the prompt, type: > reset-nvram (then carriage return) > > Then type: > reset-all > > You might have to do this more than once. (nvram is non-volatile = RAM.) > > To check the startup disk there is another procedure: > > Restart you computer while holding down three keys: Command, Option,=20= > and 's'. > > This starts your computer up in 'single-user' mode. > > At the prompt, type: > fsck -y (then carriage return) > Important: note the space between the k and the - > > To reboot, type: > reboot > > Finally, you can reset 'parameter ram' by starting up while holding=20 > down these four keys: > > Command, Option, 'p' and 'r' > > Have fun! > > earle > * > ________________________ > Earle Jones =F0 > 380 Conil Way > Portola Valley CA 94028 > Home: 650-854-1489 > Cell: 650-269-0035 > earle.jones@comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From gifutiger at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 15:35:45 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue Apr 29 15:36:07 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: References: <2E00DF9D-F29C-4888-8F40-E62C090A3A50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8DCA4D71-CC85-45D9-9B52-B3DC395A2D9C@gmail.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) To see all of the Open Firmware commands and other OF info see http://www.firmworks.com/QuickRef.html ---------------------------------------------------- On Apr 29, 2008, at 3:14 PM, C D T wrote: > Earl, there is another step in the OF reset sequence > > reset-nvram > set-defaults > reset-all > > I use the OF resets regularly, whenever something weird starts. > Usually fixes it right up. Can't always tell what the problem was, > but ITS GONE! > > Dan > > > On Apr 29, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Earle Jones wrote: > >> >> On Apr 28, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Crandon David wrote: >> >>> My DP500 bongs only about one out of ten times I start it up, and >>> otherwise it works fine. >>> >>> David >> >> * >> It should 'bong'. The 'bong' is your friend. >> >> Here's how to make it 'bong' every time (unless you have something >> else broken.) >> >> Restart your computer while holding down four keys: Command, >> Option, 'o', and 'f' >> (That's the letter 'o' and the letter 'f'.) >> >> This starts your computer up in 'open firmware' mode. >> >> At the prompt, type: >> reset-nvram (then carriage return) >> >> Then type: >> reset-all >> >> You might have to do this more than once. (nvram is non-volatile >> RAM.) >> >> To check the startup disk there is another procedure: >> >> Restart you computer while holding down three keys: Command, >> Option, and 's'. >> >> This starts your computer up in 'single-user' mode. >> >> At the prompt, type: >> fsck -y (then carriage return) >> Important: note the space between the k and the - >> >> To reboot, type: >> reboot >> >> Finally, you can reset 'parameter ram' by starting up while holding >> down these four keys: >> >> Command, Option, 'p' and 'r' >> >> Have fun! >> >> earle >> * >> ________________________ >> Earle Jones ? >> 380 Conil Way >> Portola Valley CA 94028 >> Home: 650-854-1489 >> Cell: 650-269-0035 >> earle.jones@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From britchey11 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 15:55:37 2008 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Tue Apr 29 15:56:29 2008 Subject: [G4] os help In-Reply-To: <8DCA4D71-CC85-45D9-9B52-B3DC395A2D9C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <347320.38548.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> so my g4 is running slow and the hard drive is making a noise whenever i move the mouse. if it were an os 9 machine, i would clean up the desk top files and it would be fine. is there something to do to x when it is running slow? thanks b ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From jimash at optonline.net Tue Apr 29 16:03:55 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Tue Apr 29 16:04:04 2008 Subject: [G4] os help In-Reply-To: <347320.38548.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <347320.38548.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There's always Onyx. Available at Apple website. I like Leopard Cache cleaner too. Does MUCH more than clean caches. Jim On Apr 29, 2008, at 6:55 PM, bill ritchey wrote: > so my g4 is running slow and the hard drive is making > a noise whenever i move the mouse. > if it were an os 9 machine, i would clean up the desk > top files and it would be fine. is there something to > do to x when it is running slow? thanks b > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From casamuels at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 16:07:32 2008 From: casamuels at gmail.com (Christina Samuels) Date: Tue Apr 29 16:07:43 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 Message-ID: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> Re: the Mac "bong." The computer is not making any sound at all. I can turn it on, the power light comes on, I hear the hard drive spinning, and the fan is going. But, there's no startup chime. Because I don't have a keyboard or a monitor or it, I can't tell if it's really doing anything or not. I did reseat the RAM, replace the battery and reset the PMU as suggested, but that didn't work. Before I do anything else, I figure I need to get a monitor and a keyboard so I'm not flying blind here. I'll try the open firmware reset when I have a keyboard to do it with. It currently has 320Mb of RAM. I didn't want to get into further purchases until I know that it's functional. I hate to ask a dumb question -- I want to reply to posts so that they're all in the same thread. I think I'm starting a new thread every time I reply. How do I avoid that? C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080429/79f3e5a5/attachment.html From britchey11 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 16:16:09 2008 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Tue Apr 29 16:18:21 2008 Subject: [G4] os help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <328720.39330.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thanks, letting it run seems to help too, but i will try cache cleaner. --- James Asherman wrote: > There's always Onyx. Available at Apple website. > I like Leopard Cache cleaner too. Does MUCH more > than clean caches. > Jim > On Apr 29, 2008, at 6:55 PM, bill ritchey wrote: > > > so my g4 is running slow and the hard drive is > making > > a noise whenever i move the mouse. > > if it were an os 9 machine, i would clean up the > desk > > top files and it would be fine. is there something > to > > do to x when it is running slow? thanks b > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From cdt at globaldsl.net Tue Apr 29 16:37:12 2008 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (C D T) Date: Tue Apr 29 16:37:30 2008 Subject: [G4] os help In-Reply-To: <328720.39330.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <328720.39330.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <89314cc906370967718fe0095dcac9f9@globaldsl.net> Don't forget about MacJanitor (freeware) or one of the other programs that run the Chron Tasks. On all OSX Macs, they are supposed to run automatically - Daily, Weekly, and Monthly. Because most macs are off or sleeping in the middle of the night when these cleanup tasks are supposed to be running (a result of the Unix environment where machines run 24/7) they don't get run on a lot of machines. There are also commands to run them in the Terminal for those who like to tinker and play. But I find MacJanitor is a simple way to get the job done. I run it once a week and keep humming along. Dan On Apr 29, 2008, at 7:16 PM, bill ritchey wrote: > thanks, letting it run seems to help too, but i will > try cache cleaner. > > > --- James Asherman wrote: > >> There's always Onyx. Available at Apple website. >> I like Leopard Cache cleaner too. Does MUCH more >> than clean caches. >> Jim >> On Apr 29, 2008, at 6:55 PM, bill ritchey wrote: >> >>> so my g4 is running slow and the hard drive is >> making >>> a noise whenever i move the mouse. >>> if it were an os 9 machine, i would clean up the >> desk >>> top files and it would be fine. is there something >> to >>> do to x when it is running slow? thanks b >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ >>> Be a better friend, newshound, and >>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Tue Apr 29 16:46:00 2008 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Tue Apr 29 16:46:34 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86F4809E-1691-49A1-9EEA-9BCF6B5F3EEA@ncwcom.com> On Apr 29, 2008, at 19:07, Christina Samuels wrote: > Re: the Mac "bong." The computer is not making any sound at all. I > can turn it on, the power light comes on, I hear the hard drive > spinning, and the fan is going. But, there's no startup chime. > Because I don't have a keyboard or a monitor or it, I can't tell if > it's really doing anything or not. I did reseat the RAM, replace the > battery and reset the PMU as suggested, but that didn't work. Before > I do anything else, I figure I need to get a monitor and a keyboard > so I'm not flying blind here. I'll try the open firmware reset when > I have a keyboard to do it with. > > It currently has 320Mb of RAM. I didn't want to get into further > purchases until I know that it's functional. > > I hate to ask a dumb question -- I want to reply to posts so that > they're all in the same thread. I think I'm starting a new thread > every time I reply. How do I avoid that? > > C > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 I believe your mac will not start: because there is no monitor. We had to get a 17" monitor to get the dual 500 to start - it did nothing without the monitor connected. have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com From jimash at optonline.net Tue Apr 29 16:50:23 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Tue Apr 29 16:50:44 2008 Subject: [G4] os help In-Reply-To: <89314cc906370967718fe0095dcac9f9@globaldsl.net> References: <328720.39330.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <89314cc906370967718fe0095dcac9f9@globaldsl.net> Message-ID: <1790268C-65A3-4846-8821-857D344BDCDC@optonline.net> On Apr 29, 2008, at 7:37 PM, C D T wrote: > Don't forget about MacJanitor (freeware) or one of the other > programs that run the Chron Tasks. On all OSX Macs, they are > supposed to run automatically - Daily, Weekly, and Monthly. Because > most macs are off or sleeping in the middle of the night when these > cleanup tasks are supposed to be running (a result of the Unix > environment where machines run 24/7) they don't get run on a lot of > machines. There are also commands to run them in the Terminal for > those who like to tinker and play. But I find MacJanitor is a > simple way to get the job done. I run it once a week and keep > humming along. > > Dan That is right. MacJanitor is a good one, Cocktail too. Both of the programs I mentioned Onyx and Leopard Cache cleaner do the Chrons, the permissions and the caches. Leopard Cache cleaner also does prebindings and actual defragmentation. The other day my sis-in-law called and I walked her though Onyx and it fixed her right up. These programs are powerful and should be used carefully. I do it around once a week too. Jim > > > > On Apr 29, 2008, at 7:16 PM, bill ritchey wrote: > >> thanks, letting it run seems to help too, but i will >> try cache cleaner. >> >> >> --- James Asherman wrote: >> >>> There's always Onyx. Available at Apple website. >>> I like Leopard Cache cleaner too. Does MUCH more >>> than clean caches. >>> Jim >>> On Apr 29, 2008, at 6:55 PM, bill ritchey wrote: >>> >>>> so my g4 is running slow and the hard drive is >>> making >>>> a noise whenever i move the mouse. >>>> if it were an os 9 machine, i would clean up the >>> desk >>>> top files and it would be fine. is there something >>> to >>>> do to x when it is running slow? thanks b >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >>>> Be a better friend, newshound, and >>>> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >>> >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> G4 mailing list >>>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>>> >>> >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >>> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From earle.jones at comcast.net Tue Apr 29 16:51:36 2008 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Tue Apr 29 16:51:50 2008 Subject: [G4] os help In-Reply-To: <328720.39330.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <328720.39330.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <744CDB71-AFC3-4D99-AD7C-D82D589C209B@comcast.net> On Apr 29, 2008, at 4:16 PM, bill ritchey wrote: > thanks, letting it run seems to help too, but i will > try cache cleaner. * Bet