From jonseward at mindspring.com Fri Feb 1 05:03:42 2008 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Fri Feb 1 05:04:38 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 20 Message-ID: <380-2200825113342209@M2W019.mail2web.com> The later MDD's were a bit quieter than the first 'Blowhole' models famed wind tunnel. Not silent, but substantially improved. Just looked at Low End Mac and their most expensive MDD model lists for $650 - a new Mac Mini might provide superior performance at a lower price, if the rest of the form factor work for your needs. There's a web site I can't recall that lists current street prices for all Mac models in all their release configurations. If someone knows what that site is, I'd appreciate being reminded! You might keep an eye on Craig's List or other sales/swap sites to see if you can't do a bit better. A few years ago I purchased a local 866 MDD, loaded w. software and with a large Apple monitor for $1,000 and thought that was a good deal. HTH, Jon Original Message: ----------------- From: Rick r.ramsowr@sbcglobal.net Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:52:23 -0600 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: Re: [G4] Re: G4 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 20 Brad While first gen. G5 are great but still a bit costly. And the Mirror Door G4 is simply loud (if you don't get a fan upgrade with your purchase)... I would look for a max out Quicksilver (2002) with a dual 1 GB processor and 1.5 GB of memory. That what I did and it fill my needs for now and runs my small rep firm as well. And yes, I using OS X 10.5.2 (Leopard) Mine cost me $260.00 and and shortly there after I sold my QS 733 MH for $200.00... for a difference of $60.00. via ebay. Granted I was lucky but one should be able to close on a QS (2002) for under $450 easily. By the way be sure to get a QS 2002... because the QS 2002 do not have a limit on the size of hard drives attached and had a faster processor chip and in general a better unit to work with and easier to upgrade and build-out. I've max out everything I can on this model, include a 750GB second hard drive with firewire as a backup device. Bottom line - the QS 2002 has a good cost value and still handles Leopard! Good luck and good hunting! Rich aka therepguy Houston //////////////////////////////////. On Jan 31, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Brad Russell wrote: "Still a little confused. When you say "specifically, when I scroll from message to message in my inbox is when it is less responsive" you don't mean actually switching from message to message but simply scrolling in the message window? I don't know why that would be any different than scrolling within a particular email itself." Sorry I'm not being clear. Simply scrolling in the inbox window is sluggish. But scrolling in the reading pane is fine. Also, Thanks for everyone's advice! I think I'm convinced not to upgrade the old gigabit machine but buy a newer machine. Any advice on which one? I'm wondering if I shouldn't look to a first gen G5 or if a Mirror Door one will do the trick. Again, I'm just trying to use Yahoo webmail, surf, use the newest iPhoto,MS Office, handle Leopard and hopefully one more OS generation. Any advice on a machine that would do that reasonably well? Thanks! Brad ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From johnnyg at gorge.net Mon Feb 4 17:03:35 2008 From: johnnyg at gorge.net (johnnyg) Date: Mon Feb 4 16:57:51 2008 Subject: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 Message-ID: <20080205005740.4D11FB79E6C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Hi, I just purchased from OWC a 512 memory chip to put into this newly acquired mirror doors with only one 512 slot taken......however, after installing the memory, I have had freezes kernel panics and other strange attrocities often. I moved the memory about in different slots and tried resetting the pram, and pma. No help so I removed the memory and everything is smooth once again. Is there some magic I should put into service here or do I likely have a bad memory chip? OSX10.39. Thanks. John From macandlinuxuser at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 17:30:40 2008 From: macandlinuxuser at gmail.com (Patrick J. Runcie) Date: Mon Feb 4 17:30:53 2008 Subject: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 In-Reply-To: <20080205005740.4D11FB79E6C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080205005740.4D11FB79E6C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <000301c86796$b90691f0$2b13b5d0$@com> The ram you purchased, you need to find out if it's high or low density vs the ram that the computer you have is limited to low or will accept high density ram. It's possible, that you may have purchased a high density stick & the computer will only accept low density. Another suggestion is, it's possible the stick is bad. Try it out on another computer, even a Windows system. That will rule out if the stick is bad. -----Original Message----- From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of johnnyg Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:04 PM To: G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 Hi, I just purchased from OWC a 512 memory chip to put into this newly acquired mirror doors with only one 512 slot taken......however, after installing the memory, I have had freezes kernel panics and other strange attrocities often. I moved the memory about in different slots and tried resetting the pram, and pma. No help so I removed the memory and everything is smooth once again. Is there some magic I should put into service here or do I likely have a bad memory chip? OSX10.39. Thanks. John _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From gifutiger at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 17:39:39 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Mon Feb 4 17:39:56 2008 Subject: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 In-Reply-To: <20080205005740.4D11FB79E6C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080205005740.4D11FB79E6C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Call OWC they will replace it with a smile. ---------------------------------------------------- On Feb 4, 2008, at 5:03 PM, johnnyg wrote: > Hi, > > I just purchased from OWC a 512 memory chip to put into this newly > acquired mirror doors with only one 512 slot taken......however, after > installing the memory, I have had freezes kernel panics and other > strange > attrocities often. I moved the memory about in different slots and > tried > resetting the pram, and pma. No help so I removed the memory and > everything is smooth once again. Is there some magic I should put > into > service here or do I likely have a bad memory chip? OSX10.39. > Thanks. > > John > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From jonseward at mindspring.com Tue Feb 5 04:40:47 2008 From: jonseward at mindspring.com (jonseward@mindspring.com) Date: Tue Feb 5 04:41:28 2008 Subject: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 Message-ID: <380-22008225124047662@M2W006.mail2web.com> Hi John, Is the RAM seated firmly? Sometimes it takes a surprising amount of force to get it fully down in its socket. It should 'click', kind of. Go to Versiontracker.com There are downloadable utilities with names like 'Ramtester' you can search for that can diagnose your RAM. Have you looked at your Profiler, Hardware tab to see how the computer identifies your RAM (if at all) and how that matches up to your other stick. Macs can be very finicky about RAM that's not fully in spec with all machine requirements. They can tolerate lower speed sticks - like 222 v. 333 - but will run at the lower speed. But OWC should have sent you the right stuff to begin with. They have an excellent reputation for quality and customer service. Good luck, jon Original Message: ----------------- From: Patrick J. Runcie macandlinuxuser@gmail.com Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:30:40 -0500 To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: RE: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 The ram you purchased, you need to find out if it's high or low density vs the ram that the computer you have is limited to low or will accept high density ram. It's possible, that you may have purchased a high density stick & the computer will only accept low density. Another suggestion is, it's possible the stick is bad. Try it out on another computer, even a Windows system. That will rule out if the stick is bad. -----Original Message----- From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of johnnyg Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:04 PM To: G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 Hi, I just purchased from OWC a 512 memory chip to put into this newly acquired mirror doors with only one 512 slot taken......however, after installing the memory, I have had freezes kernel panics and other strange attrocities often. I moved the memory about in different slots and tried resetting the pram, and pma. No help so I removed the memory and everything is smooth once again. Is there some magic I should put into service here or do I likely have a bad memory chip? OSX10.39. Thanks. John _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From tyrannydesign at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 05:57:29 2008 From: tyrannydesign at gmail.com (Tyranny Bean) Date: Tue Feb 5 05:58:00 2008 Subject: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 In-Reply-To: <380-22008225124047662@M2W006.mail2web.com> References: <380-22008225124047662@M2W006.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <312d26f40802050557w44d3c293if645c03b6b0263b7@mail.gmail.com> I've recently had similar problems. I wanted to upgrade to CS3 and Tiger. I'm currently running on a Digital Audio 533 upgraded with a 1.2 ghz Sonnet processor with 768 mb RAM. I purchased 512 mb stick from Office Max (I know, this was my first mistake). After installing and checking - everything read correctly in the Profiler. But, common applications like Flock would shut down. At first I thought it was a problem with a "Clean Sweep" script I had to run on the computer because of a PhotoShop Beta/CS3 issue. But, after numerous problems I simply un-installed the CS3 suite and was never able to finish the Tiger installation. When I continued to have issues with my old CS2 suite and Flock browser problems, I took out the new memory. I've had to re-install Flock and CS2, but everything is running fine now - except under my wife's account ... she's still having Flock shutdowns - even though we're using the same program from Applications Folder?! Anyway ... I'm holding off installing ANYTHING new until I can get some recommendations from some experts. ~teej > > > -----Original Message----- > From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of johnnyg > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:04 PM > To: G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Subject: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 > > Hi, > > I just purchased from OWC a 512 memory chip to put into this newly > acquired mirror doors with only one 512 slot taken......however, after > installing the memory, I have had freezes kernel panics and other strange > attrocities often. I moved the memory about in different slots and tried > resetting the pram, and pma. No help so I removed the memory and > everything is smooth once again. Is there some magic I should put into > service here or do I likely have a bad memory chip? OSX10.39. > > Thanks. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080205/6a90cade/attachment.html From richspk at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 09:20:13 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Tue Feb 5 09:22:14 2008 Subject: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 In-Reply-To: <312d26f40802050557w44d3c293if645c03b6b0263b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00f701c8681b$68bfb8e0$37d816ac@cytyc.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Tyranny Bean > > Anyway ... I'm holding off installing ANYTHING new until I > can get some recommendations from some experts. There's nothing wrong with buying memory from OfficeMax. It *should* have worked, but OfficeMax doesn't have the experience with Macs to know which SKUs work with which models and which don't. The obvious recommendation is to buy your memory from a company that has extensive experience with Macs and can sell you memory that experience has proven works well with your Mac. Those would be places such as OWC or Small Dog Electronics. I bet memory from OWC would be cheaper than from OfficeMax, too. I'd have to look up their URLs, but let me know if you can't find them. I would also be comfortable buying memory for my Mac directly from Crucial or Corsair. They're not Mac-specific memory manufacturers, but I've dealt with them both for years and have great faith in them. I think they both have more experience with memory (in any computer) than OfficeMax does. -- Rich From nagable at comcast.net Tue Feb 5 11:44:14 2008 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Tue Feb 5 11:44:45 2008 Subject: [G4] memory problem in dual 867 Message-ID: <020520081944.4373.47A8BC8E000D5E2F0000111522155688840A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> You probably have a bad chip. Call them, get an RMA, and send it back. They're good about exchanges. Nate -------------- Original message -------------- From: johnnyg > Hi, > > I just purchased from OWC a 512 memory chip to put into this newly > acquired mirror doors with only one 512 slot taken......however, after > installing the memory, I have had freezes kernel panics and other strange > attrocities often. I moved the memory about in different slots and tried > resetting the pram, and pma. No help so I removed the memory and > everything is smooth once again. Is there some magic I should put into > service here or do I likely have a bad memory chip? OSX10.39. Thanks. > > John > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080205/a094110e/attachment-0001.html From petermwebster at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 08:36:28 2008 From: petermwebster at gmail.com (Peter Webster) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:36:53 2008 Subject: [G4] G4- Apple Monitor Query Message-ID: <6641c1d20802070836q51c97394y3046d09981682dc7@mail.gmail.com> Amazing List Deities: I have a G4 500MHz Sawtooth, OS 10.3.9, 1 gig of SDRAM, AirPort Card, external Firewire LaCie 120 GB HD and Maxtor Mini USB 160 GB HD and an Apple 17" Studio (the flat one) monitor. Sawtooth and Monitor were rescued from being thrown out (!) They are resurrected and working great, but I have a question regarding the monitor: The monitor is attached directly to the CPU. using the cable that came with the monitor. (There is another, separate, more complicated cable with a brick and USB and other attachments that I never use.) When the units power up, the monitor comes on very bright, then settles to a less luminous display. Adjusting the brightness does nothing, it shows as being at maximum. Why the shift? It would be nice to have the brighter screen, and any advice would be welcomed. Thank you in advance for sharing your collective wisdoms. From ewood at izoom.net Thu Feb 7 10:58:36 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Thu Feb 7 10:58:52 2008 Subject: [G4] G4- Apple Monitor Query In-Reply-To: <6641c1d20802070836q51c97394y3046d09981682dc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <6641c1d20802070836q51c97394y3046d09981682dc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Am Feb 7, 2008 um 5:36 PM schrieb Peter Webster: > Amazing List Deities: > > I have a G4 500MHz Sawtooth, OS 10.3.9, 1 gig of SDRAM, AirPort Card, > external Firewire LaCie 120 GB HD and Maxtor Mini USB 160 GB HD and an > Apple 17" Studio (the flat one) monitor. > > Sawtooth and Monitor were rescued from being thrown out (!) > > They are resurrected and working great, but I have a question > regarding the monitor: > > The monitor is attached directly to the CPU. using the cable that came > with the monitor. (There is another, separate, more complicated cable > with a brick and USB and other attachments that I never use.) > > When the units power up, the monitor comes on very bright, then > settles to a less luminous display. > > Adjusting the brightness does nothing, it shows as being at maximum. > > Why the shift? It would be nice to have the brighter screen, and any > advice would be welcomed. > > Thank you in advance for sharing your collective wisdoms. Just sounds to me like you've found the reason it was being thrown out. I can't speak from experience, but I'm sure LCD backlights and related mechanisms can wear out and malfunction at some point? Eric W. From richspk at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 11:08:36 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Thu Feb 7 11:09:04 2008 Subject: [G4] G4- Apple Monitor Query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00fb01c869bc$d95f9ff0$37d816ac@cytyc.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Wood > > Am Feb 7, 2008 um 5:36 PM schrieb Peter Webster: > > > Amazing List Deities: > > > > I have a G4 500MHz Sawtooth, OS 10.3.9, 1 gig of SDRAM, AirPort Card, > > external Firewire LaCie 120 GB HD and Maxtor Mini USB 160 GB HD and an > > Apple 17" Studio (the flat one) monitor. > > > > Sawtooth and Monitor were rescued from being thrown out (!) > > > > They are resurrected and working great, but I have a question > > regarding the monitor: > > > > The monitor is attached directly to the CPU. using the cable that came > > with the monitor. (There is another, separate, more complicated cable > > with a brick and USB and other attachments that I never use.) > > > > When the units power up, the monitor comes on very bright, then > > settles to a less luminous display. > > > > Adjusting the brightness does nothing, it shows as being at maximum. > > > > Why the shift? It would be nice to have the brighter screen, and any > > advice would be welcomed. > > > > Thank you in advance for sharing your collective wisdoms. > > Just sounds to me like you've found the reason it was being thrown > out. I can't speak from experience, but I'm sure LCD backlights and > related mechanisms can wear out and malfunction at some point? Is it an LCD monitor or a flat-screen CRT? It's beyond my expertise, but I think it sounds like a CRT with a failing voltage regulator. If it's an LCD, maybe it could be a bad inverter. All I can do is guess, though. -- Rich From galilao at lava.net Thu Feb 7 12:58:24 2008 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Thu Feb 7 12:57:27 2008 Subject: [G4] G4- Apple Monitor Query In-Reply-To: <6641c1d20802070836q51c97394y3046d09981682dc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <6641c1d20802070836q51c97394y3046d09981682dc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AB70F0.9060601@lava.net> Peter Webster wrote: > Amazing List Deities: > > I have a G4 500MHz Sawtooth, OS 10.3.9, 1 gig of SDRAM, AirPort Card, > external Firewire LaCie 120 GB HD and Maxtor Mini USB 160 GB HD and an > Apple 17" Studio (the flat one) monitor. > > Sawtooth and Monitor were rescued from being thrown out (!) > > They are resurrected and working great, but I have a question > regarding the monitor: > > The monitor is attached directly to the CPU. using the cable that came > with the monitor. (There is another, separate, more complicated cable > with a brick and USB and other attachments that I never use.) > > When the units power up, the monitor comes on very bright, then > settles to a less luminous display. > > Adjusting the brightness does nothing, it shows as being at maximum. > > Why the shift? It would be nice to have the brighter screen, and any > advice would be welcomed. > > Thank you in advance for sharing your collective wisdoms. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > Hello, If you Google "Allen v. Apple class action settlement" the information might answer your question. Cordially, Bruce Ryan Nakamura From senseamp at yahoo.com Thu Feb 7 17:11:58 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Thu Feb 7 17:12:48 2008 Subject: [G4] G4- Apple Monitor Query In-Reply-To: <6641c1d20802070836q51c97394y3046d09981682dc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <500572.90230.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't have direct experience of this but isn't the controls for these handled through the usb connection? Have you tried calibrating it through the display setting menu? I think the other cable you mention is to run the display from a non-ADC video card. Somebody may buy that off you if you are not using it. Try the LEM swap list. John --- Peter Webster wrote: > Amazing List Deities: > > I have a G4 500MHz Sawtooth, OS 10.3.9, 1 gig of > SDRAM, AirPort Card, > external Firewire LaCie 120 GB HD and Maxtor Mini > USB 160 GB HD and an > Apple 17" Studio (the flat one) monitor. > > Sawtooth and Monitor were rescued from being thrown > out (!) > > They are resurrected and working great, but I have a > question > regarding the monitor: > > The monitor is attached directly to the CPU. using > the cable that came > with the monitor. (There is another, separate, more > complicated cable > with a brick and USB and other attachments that I > never use.) > > When the units power up, the monitor comes on very > bright, then > settles to a less luminous display. > > Adjusting the brightness does nothing, it shows as > being at maximum. > > Why the shift? It would be nice to have the brighter > screen, and any > advice would be welcomed. > > Thank you in advance for sharing your collective > wisdoms. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From richspk at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 16:11:44 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sat Feb 9 16:11:55 2008 Subject: [G4] Webcams Message-ID: <69ce86c30802091611n6f69328aj91521a58b8e525d2@mail.gmail.com> I recently sent my sister a Quicksilver with Leopard. When I talked to her on the phone to see how things were going with it, she mentioned that she'd bought a webcam for it, but she didn't think it was compatible with the QS and she was planning to return it. Can you guys recommend a good webcam to use with a G4? I'd probably get myself one, too, because she thought it would be nice to video-chat with family. Oh, and speaking of chatting, what are some good headsets to use with Skype? Or maybe just a good microphone to use with my existing headphones? -- Rich From faramineux at comcast.net Sat Feb 9 16:44:36 2008 From: faramineux at comcast.net (faramineux) Date: Sat Feb 9 16:44:49 2008 Subject: [G4] Webcams In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30802091611n6f69328aj91521a58b8e525d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <69ce86c30802091611n6f69328aj91521a58b8e525d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3824D390-244F-4DAB-A22B-EBF62C8667DB@comcast.net> On Feb 9, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Chaim The Squirrel Keeper wrote: > Oh, and speaking of chatting, what are some good headsets to use with > Skype? I have used the most expensive Logitech model and I am very happy with it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Highlights: Laser-Tuned Audio Drivers, Mic Mute-Indicator Light, Noise-Canceling Mic, Padded Headband, Rotating Microphone $50.00 From gifutiger at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 17:04:18 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sat Feb 9 17:04:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Webcams In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30802091611n6f69328aj91521a58b8e525d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <69ce86c30802091611n6f69328aj91521a58b8e525d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) I've got a Logitech USB Stereo Headset 250 Headphone w/ Microphone which I got at http//www.justdeals.com Price: $5.53 Shipping & Handling: $11.95 Sales Tax: $0.48 -------------------------------------- Purchase Total: $17.96 On Feb 9, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Chaim The Squirrel Keeper wrote: > I recently sent my sister a Quicksilver with Leopard. When I talked > to her on the phone to see how things were going with it, she > mentioned that she'd bought a webcam for it, but she didn't think it > was compatible with the QS and she was planning to return it. Can you > guys recommend a good webcam to use with a G4? I'd probably get > myself one, too, because she thought it would be nice to video-chat > with family. > > Oh, and speaking of chatting, what are some good headsets to use with > Skype? Or maybe just a good microphone to use with my existing > headphones? > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com Sun Feb 10 14:37:14 2008 From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (Richard Northouse) Date: Sun Feb 10 14:37:26 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help In-Reply-To: <500572.90230.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080210223715.ZEQK25788.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@pc925> Hi, I bought an iPhone. All of my current names, phone numbers, etc are on a PC where I use Outlook. If I could transfer this phone and name data from Outlook on the PC to Mail on my Mac, than I could download the stuff via iTunes to the iPhone. Anyone know what file on the PC I need to transfer to what file on the Mac? I know you can also use iTunes on the PC, but I still have the same problem, what files do I download to the iPhone?? Can anybody offer a few words of wisdom? Keep using my old Motorola Razor is not an acceptable answer! Thanks, Rich No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM From senseamp at yahoo.com Sun Feb 10 14:55:09 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Sun Feb 10 14:55:17 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help In-Reply-To: <20080210223715.ZEQK25788.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@pc925> Message-ID: <993665.49623.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> PC's? iPhones? I wonder why you posted this to the G4 list. I would go to the user discussions on the Apple web site. John --- Richard Northouse wrote: > > > Hi, > I bought an iPhone. All of my current names, phone > numbers, etc are on a PC > where I use Outlook. If I could transfer this phone > and name data from > Outlook on the PC to Mail on my Mac, than I could > download the stuff via > iTunes to the iPhone. Anyone know what file on the > PC I need to transfer to > what file on the Mac? > > I know you can also use iTunes on the PC, but I > still have the same problem, > what files do I download to the iPhone?? > > Can anybody offer a few words of wisdom? Keep using > my old Motorola Razor > is not an acceptable answer! > > Thanks, > > Rich > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - > Release Date: 2/10/2008 > 12:21 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From gifutiger at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 15:01:42 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sun Feb 10 15:01:53 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help In-Reply-To: <20080210223715.ZEQK25788.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@pc925> References: <20080210223715.ZEQK25788.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@pc925> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Go to http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13549_7-9760345-30.html?tag=head and read the article titled, Facebook for iPhone doubles as a massive phonebook as it relates o using facebook to to get your listings from one platform to another. ---------------------------------------------------- On Feb 10, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Richard Northouse wrote: > > > Hi, > I bought an iPhone. All of my current names, phone numbers, etc are > on a PC > where I use Outlook. If I could transfer this phone and name data from > Outlook on the PC to Mail on my Mac, than I could download the stuff > via > iTunes to the iPhone. Anyone know what file on the PC I need to > transfer to > what file on the Mac? > > I know you can also use iTunes on the PC, but I still have the same > problem, > what files do I download to the iPhone?? > > Can anybody offer a few words of wisdom? Keep using my old Motorola > Razor > is not an acceptable answer! > > Thanks, > > Rich > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: > 2/10/2008 > 12:21 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080210/65c6eecb/attachment.html From briang113 at pacbell.net Sun Feb 10 20:09:48 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Sun Feb 10 20:09:56 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help In-Reply-To: <20080210223715.ZEQK25788.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@pc925> References: <20080210223715.ZEQK25788.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@pc925> Message-ID: <7CC30BC0-BDC4-4C64-802F-FBFA3064FE44@pacbell.net> Use outlook to export the contacts, save as a tab delimited file, then import into address book. You might have to tell what info to put in what fields but it is very easy. I did this with a palm file and it was easy and seamless. BG On Feb 10, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Richard Northouse wrote: > > > Hi, > I bought an iPhone. All of my current names, phone numbers, etc are > on a PC > where I use Outlook. If I could transfer this phone and name data from > Outlook on the PC to Mail on my Mac, than I could download the stuff > via > iTunes to the iPhone. Anyone know what file on the PC I need to > transfer to > what file on the Mac? > > I know you can also use iTunes on the PC, but I still have the same > problem, > what files do I download to the iPhone?? > > Can anybody offer a few words of wisdom? Keep using my old Motorola > Razor > is not an acceptable answer! > > Thanks, > > Rich > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: > 2/10/2008 > 12:21 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From fsudore at mac.com Mon Feb 11 04:48:54 2008 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Mon Feb 11 04:47:42 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help In-Reply-To: <993665.49623.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <993665.49623.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15BC22D2-6A22-403E-B368-84DF0D89EDEC@mac.com> I know this is a G4 forum , but cut people a little slack. IT'S ALL MAC AND IT'S ALL GOOD!! FS From g4 at salemoregon.com Mon Feb 11 08:28:57 2008 From: g4 at salemoregon.com (jonny) Date: Mon Feb 11 08:30:27 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help - SE help, ipod help, PC help In-Reply-To: <15BC22D2-6A22-403E-B368-84DF0D89EDEC@mac.com> References: <993665.49623.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <15BC22D2-6A22-403E-B368-84DF0D89EDEC@mac.com> Message-ID: >I know this is a G4 forum , but cut people a little slack. >IT'S ALL MAC AND IT'S ALL GOOD!! Granted...but there's ample reason to stay on-topic. I read EVERY post because I am interested in G4's...not the vast array of apple/macintosh products. The correction wasn't mean...it appeared to be a well-intended reminder to stay on-topic so EVERYONE can participate. :-) jonny From jimash at optonline.net Mon Feb 11 11:41:18 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Mon Feb 11 11:41:50 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help - SE help, ipod help, PC help In-Reply-To: References: <993665.49623.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <15BC22D2-6A22-403E-B368-84DF0D89EDEC@mac.com> Message-ID: <4C1D5676-ACCA-4FB2-A0C9-4F942830D6C2@optonline.net> On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, jonny wrote: >> I know this is a G4 forum , but cut people a little slack. >> IT'S ALL MAC AND IT'S ALL GOOD!! > > Granted...but there's ample reason to stay on-topic. > > I read EVERY post because I am interested in G4's...not the vast > array of apple/macintosh products. > > The correction wasn't mean...it appeared to be a well-intended > reminder to stay on-topic so EVERYONE can participate. :-) > > jonny > ______ I am going to chime in just a bit. 18 months ago I switched up to a dual 2g G5 tower which I got refurbed from OWC. I still use the G4 in the family room (replaced the 9600). But I stay with this list because there are so many knowlegable folks with good info and the software is identical. A little slack can be cut. But I don't bring any strict G5 probs here. If I have one I take it to the APPLE forum. Please don't hate me. Jim > _________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From alpoulin at cox.net Mon Feb 11 13:23:24 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Mon Feb 11 13:24:03 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help - SE help, ipod help, PC help In-Reply-To: <4C1D5676-ACCA-4FB2-A0C9-4F942830D6C2@optonline.net> References: <993665.49623.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <15BC22D2-6A22-403E-B368-84DF0D89EDEC@mac.com> <4C1D5676-ACCA-4FB2-A0C9-4F942830D6C2@optonline.net> Message-ID: <00d36dbd10660f993af3e2d05e254683@cox.net> On Feb 11, 2008, at 2:41 PM, James Asherman wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, jonny wrote: > >>> I know this is a G4 forum , but cut people a little slack. >>> IT'S ALL MAC AND IT'S ALL GOOD!! >> >> Granted...but there's ample reason to stay on-topic. >> >> I read EVERY post because I am interested in G4's...not the vast >> array of apple/macintosh products. >> >> The correction wasn't mean...it appeared to be a well-intended >> reminder to stay on-topic so EVERYONE can participate. :-) >> >> jonny >> ______ > > I am going to chime in just a bit. > 18 months ago I switched up to a dual 2g G5 tower which I got > refurbed from OWC. > I still use the G4 in the family room (replaced the 9600). > But I stay with this list because there are so many knowlegable folks > with good info and the software is identical. > A little slack can be cut. > But I don't bring any strict G5 probs here. If I have one I take it to > the APPLE forum. > Please don't hate me. > Jim I also like this list. Another good list that you may enjoy is the G-List, also known as the G3-5 List, at lowendmac: http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/index.shtml It is for PowerMac G3, G4, and G5 users, and there is more going on there. Al Poulin From senseamp at yahoo.com Mon Feb 11 13:24:52 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Mon Feb 11 13:25:05 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help - SE help, ipod help, PC help In-Reply-To: <4C1D5676-ACCA-4FB2-A0C9-4F942830D6C2@optonline.net> Message-ID: <55500.21465.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> OK I seem to have started some controversy. The point is that there are multiple lists for different topics. The questions and answers are archived. If I was looking for info on the iPhone, I would not expect the answer to be in the G4 list. Therefore if the question (and subsequent answers) are valuable, they should be placed on the correct list. I was not trying to be "mean". John --- James Asherman wrote: > I am going to chime in just a bit. > 18 months ago I switched up to a dual 2g G5 tower ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com Mon Feb 11 16:09:12 2008 From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (Richard Northouse) Date: Mon Feb 11 16:09:25 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help - SE help, ipod help, PC help In-Reply-To: <4C1D5676-ACCA-4FB2-A0C9-4F942830D6C2@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20080212000911.DIZT27223.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@pc925> Hi Gang, I am the person would started the original post about the iPhone. I am a G4 QS user as well as a PC user, which I need to communicate with my employer. I just had a simple problem with my new iPhone, wanting to get my phone data to the G4 and sought benefit from the knowledge of all the posters. The thought that it was off topic never occurred to me. For that I am sorry and wish to apologize. However, a month or so, there was a topic which created all sorts polarized opinions and the debate went on for days, if not weeks. I was not offended when told I was off topic -- however I will feel bad if my request for help should create another polarized debate. I am sorry I requested help for a off-topic problem and I don't want to cause another debate. Could everyone please accept my apology, understand that I was not offended, and PLEASE let this be the end of the discussion. Thanks much. Rich -----Original Message----- From: g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:g4-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of James Asherman Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:41 PM To: A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers. Subject: Re: [G4] iphone help - SE help, ipod help, PC help On Feb 11, 2008, at 11:28 AM, jonny wrote: >> I know this is a G4 forum , but cut people a little slack. >> IT'S ALL MAC AND IT'S ALL GOOD!! > > Granted...but there's ample reason to stay on-topic. > > I read EVERY post because I am interested in G4's...not the vast > array of apple/macintosh products. > > The correction wasn't mean...it appeared to be a well-intended > reminder to stay on-topic so EVERYONE can participate. :-) > > jonny > ______ I am going to chime in just a bit. 18 months ago I switched up to a dual 2g G5 tower which I got refurbed from OWC. I still use the G4 in the family room (replaced the 9600). But I stay with this list because there are so many knowlegable folks with good info and the software is identical. A little slack can be cut. But I don't bring any strict G5 probs here. If I have one I take it to the APPLE forum. Please don't hate me. Jim > _________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 2/11/2008 5:28 PM From cdt at globaldsl.net Mon Feb 11 18:24:23 2008 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (C D T) Date: Mon Feb 11 18:24:50 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help - SE help, ipod help, PC help In-Reply-To: <20080212000911.DIZT27223.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@pc925> References: <20080212000911.DIZT27223.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@pc925> Message-ID: <6041596d3e6582b693792065df5e93be@globaldsl.net> Hi, Rich. I think that as a QS user you had a valid reason to post a request for help on this list. This information > I am a G4 QS user as well as a PC user, which I need to communicate > with my employer. > I just had a simple problem with my new iPhone, wanting to get my > phone data > to the G4 makes that clear. If you had included it to begin with, I don't think there would have been any controversy. Generally, people on this list - for that matter most lists - are anxious to share their sometimes hard learned lessons and save others the trouble. Hopefully, you will now get a clear solution to your problem and we can all move on. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to offer any assistance. Dan On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Richard Northouse wrote: > Hi Gang, > > I am the person would started the original post about the iPhone. I am > a G4 > QS user as well as a PC user, which I need to communicate with my > employer. > I just had a simple problem with my new iPhone, wanting to get my > phone data > to the G4 and sought benefit from the knowledge of all the posters. The > thought that it was off topic never occurred to me. For that I am > sorry and > wish to apologize. > > However, a month or so, there was a topic which created all sorts > polarized > opinions and the debate went on for days, if not weeks. I was not > offended > when told I was off topic -- however I will feel bad if my request for > help > should create another polarized debate. I am sorry I requested help > for a > off-topic problem and I don't want to cause another debate. > > Could everyone please accept my apology, understand that I was not > offended, > and PLEASE let this be the end of the discussion. Thanks much. > > Rich From nagable at comcast.net Mon Feb 11 20:40:20 2008 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Mon Feb 11 20:40:50 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help - SE help, ipod help, PC help Message-ID: <021220080440.3769.47B12334000D074C00000EB922165662760A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Amen, brother. Let's all just lighten up. We love our Macs and we love this list. Nate -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: jonny > >I know this is a G4 forum , but cut people a little slack. > >IT'S ALL MAC AND IT'S ALL GOOD!! > > Granted...but there's ample reason to stay on-topic. > > I read EVERY post because I am interested in G4's...not the vast > array of apple/macintosh products. > > The correction wasn't mean...it appeared to be a well-intended > reminder to stay on-topic so EVERYONE can participate. :-) > > jonny > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From jimash at optonline.net Mon Feb 11 14:31:55 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Tue Feb 12 06:28:06 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help - SE help, ipod help, PC help In-Reply-To: <55500.21465.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <55500.21465.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Feb 11, 2008, at 4:24 PM, John Niven wrote: > I was not trying to be "mean". > > John I don't think you were. But it isn't unreasonable. I have Macs PC's ipods. Even a DS. (nintendo) I imagine many of you do (with a family). We might know. (I didn't) Thank you Al for the link. Jim From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 06:48:51 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue Feb 12 06:49:55 2008 Subject: [G4] iphone help - SE help, ipod help, PC help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <361274.34511.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My wife has a 17" Intel iMac. My sons have gaming-class PC's, and a Nintendo Wii. I have a G3 B&W, G4 Towers, PowerBook and a Xserve, even a 68K Quadra 950 (look it up it's one of my favorites)! I also have a W2K dual Pentium Pro PC, and a Sun Enterprise 450 server.... ..but I look to the G4 list for G4 related items. Pick your question, pick your list: http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/index.shtml John --- James Asherman wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2008, at 4:24 PM, John Niven wrote: > > > I was not trying to be "mean". > > > > John > > > I don't think you were. > But it isn't unreasonable. I have Macs PC's ipods. > Even a DS. (nintendo) > I imagine many of you do (with a family). We might > know. (I didn't) > Thank you Al for the link. > Jim > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From sapresley12 at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 22:20:30 2008 From: sapresley12 at gmail.com (Sherry Presley Morgan) Date: Tue Feb 12 22:20:41 2008 Subject: [G4] (no subject) Message-ID: <1ff6ebb40802122220t3114d8fct206784b13a8de236@mail.gmail.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080212/ac2e6682/attachment.html From g4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com Fri Feb 15 03:57:42 2008 From: g4 at listserver.themacintoshguy.com (g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com) Date: Fri Feb 15 04:19:01 2008 Subject: [G4] RE: February %70 OFF Message-ID: <20080215055748.4828.qmail@ce1-ats32.aaanet.ru> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080215/04d18163/attachment.html From skygram at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 16:15:35 2008 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Fri Feb 15 16:15:54 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI to Firewire adapters on scanners Message-ID: Hi people! I use an Adaptec 2906 SCSI card hooked up to a Agfa Arcus II scanner on my old G4. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience using SCSI to Firewire adapters with a scanner of this type? I would like to move this scanner over to a new Mac of some type. I haven't decided what I am going to buy. However I know that SCSI cards are dodgy more often than not with newer towers. Any ideas? Bill Montreal From kathialexis at cox.net Fri Feb 15 21:30:34 2008 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Fri Feb 15 21:30:39 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI to Firewire adapters on scanners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <012601c8705d$0de107e0$6601a8c0@GX280> I use an Adaptec 2906 SCSI card hooked up to a Agfa Arcus II scanner on my old G4. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience using SCSI to Firewire adapters with a scanner of this type? I would like to move this scanner over to a new Mac of some type. I haven't decided what I am going to buy. However I know that SCSI cards are dodgy more often than not with newer towers. Any ideas? Bill Montreal Hello, Bill... I have a wonderful old UMAX Powerlook II with transparency adaptor and it does a great job hooked up to my G3 266 beige tower. I also have a SCSI to Firewire adaptor for it and was planning on hooking the scanner up to my MDD or DA G4. What stopped me from doing it was the OS. The scanner software only goes as high as OS9. A scanner this old does not have support for any version of OSX. I might be able to make it work using classic on the G4, but as long as my old G3 holds up I see no real benefit to changing. I also have a Nikon LS-2000 dedicated film scanner hooked up to this G3 and I can still download software for OS9 from Nikon and UMAX for both of these scanners. I move the scans to my G4s with a Zip and work on them in CS2 or CS3 Photoshop. Works just fine. Kathi From senseamp at yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 21:38:47 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Fri Feb 15 21:38:58 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI to Firewire adapters on scanners In-Reply-To: <012601c8705d$0de107e0$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: <462684.39548.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kathi, have you tried VueScan? http://www.hamrick.com/ You can download a demo that lets you check if it will work, or there is a list of supported scanners IIRC. I used it with a very old Apple ColorOne scanner hooked up to an adaptech scsi card in a G4 tower running 10.3. Works! I paid the man! John --- Kathi Anderson wrote: > The scanner software > only goes as high as OS9. A scanner this old does > not have support for any > version of OSX. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From skygram at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 21:57:57 2008 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Fri Feb 15 21:59:40 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI to Firewire adapters on scanners In-Reply-To: <012601c8705d$0de107e0$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: Kathi, Thank you for your input. It is encouraging. The reason why I am asking questions about the adapters is that I am hesitant in spending the bucks to update this scanner even though it is a great product that has not been used to excess and it is in wonderful shape for a seven year old unit. I tend to baby my hardware and it has usually paid off. The adapter, along with a few other gadgets will cost me in the vicinity of $200.00 in order for me to do this! So it is a calculated risk. Why not just buy a new scanner, I ask myself. At any rate, I use VueScan Professional, as the old Agfa software stopped functioning long ago. I just went to the VueScan web site and it supports both of your scanners. I too have that Nikon CoolScan LS-2000 and both work perfectly well with their professional version of their scanner software. It is worth checking out. I think it cost me about $99 bucks. http://www.hamrick.com/index.html They also offer a free trial and limitless future upgrades. It is a first class product. Thanks again, Bill Montreal From luscher at rogers.com Sat Feb 16 10:16:02 2008 From: luscher at rogers.com (Fred Luscher) Date: Sat Feb 16 10:16:14 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI to Firewire adapters on scanners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91931991-3C3E-42A5-ABAC-70D934BC11DE@rogers.com> I have operated my Arcus II scanner with an ATTO Express PCIPro UL3D card In a PowerMac G5 Dual 2GHz Tower with absolutely no problems for more than four years. The card is a second hand (ebay) Apple OEM card extracted from a previous Mac model and was reasonably priced. I would suspect that as long as a PCI expansion slot is available in a tower the Arcus II will keep working for another seven years. ...fl... From skygram at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 13:09:44 2008 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Sat Feb 16 13:10:04 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI to Firewire adapters on scanners In-Reply-To: <91931991-3C3E-42A5-ABAC-70D934BC11DE@rogers.com> Message-ID: Hi Fred, My concern was to see if I could move the Arcus over to an iMac or even another newer tower. You must be aware that the new Mac Pros cannot handle the old SCSI cards. As I see it by moving to adapt the connector to FireWire it would give me more flexibility and I could move over to the newer Macs and keep using my faithful scanner. I will check to see if the ATTO Express PCIPro UL3D can be used on a new Mac Pro. I know that my Adaptec 2906 cannot be used. Thanks, Bill From cdt at globaldsl.net Sun Feb 17 09:49:48 2008 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (C D T) Date: Sun Feb 17 09:50:03 2008 Subject: [G4] Attach mail message to outgoing mail Message-ID: <0c92a8c9128db9037415c1a74beef7a4@globaldsl.net> I've been trying for a long time - intermittently - to find out how to attach a mail message to an outgoing mail message. Sometimes I am asked to "forward the email as an attachment". Apple help has not been (helpful). I have not seen the answer in any forums, Nor has anyone I have talked to known how. So I thought I would ask you folks. Attaching any other kind of file is not a problem. Navigate to the file and click "choose". I simply have not been able to find the mail messages anywhere to be able to attach them. I'm not usually this dumb, but I've simply struck out repeatedly in my many attempts to figure this one out. Apologies in advance if this is an inappropriate post for this forum. Thanks if there is an answer. Dan From jimash at optonline.net Sun Feb 17 10:15:36 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Sun Feb 17 10:16:15 2008 Subject: [G4] Attach mail message to outgoing mail In-Reply-To: <0c92a8c9128db9037415c1a74beef7a4@globaldsl.net> References: <0c92a8c9128db9037415c1a74beef7a4@globaldsl.net> Message-ID: <14E6187A-4877-415E-A1A1-599F83111EF3@optonline.net> If you simply want to forward an email, you can do that inline by pressing the forward button, or first hilighting part of the email to be forwarded. If it must be an attachment, you can save the email to be attached by copying and pasting into a new file, or simply dragging it to the desktop. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: C D T Subject: [G4] Attach mail message to outgoing mail Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:49:48 -0500 Size: 3684 Url: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080217/52b4f3fa/G4Attachmailmessagetooutgoingmail.eml -------------- next part -------------- As I have just done with your original question. Just drag it right from the list, then you have something to navigate to. Jim A On Feb 17, 2008, at 12:49 PM, C D T wrote: > I've been trying for a long time - intermittently - to find out how > to attach a mail message to an outgoing mail message. Sometimes I > am asked to "forward the email as an attachment". Apple help has > not been (helpful). I have not seen the answer in any forums, Nor > has anyone I have talked to known how. So I thought I would ask you > folks. > > Attaching any other kind of file is not a problem. Navigate to the > file and click "choose". I simply have not been able to find the > mail messages anywhere to be able to attach them. I'm not usually > this dumb, but I've simply struck out repeatedly in my many attempts > to figure this one out. > > Apologies in advance if this is an inappropriate post for this > forum. Thanks if there is an answer. > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From richspk at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 10:16:10 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sun Feb 17 10:16:23 2008 Subject: [G4] Attach mail message to outgoing mail In-Reply-To: <0c92a8c9128db9037415c1a74beef7a4@globaldsl.net> References: <0c92a8c9128db9037415c1a74beef7a4@globaldsl.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30802171016w29172936m72825d5eed93cb78@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 17, 2008 12:49 PM, C D T wrote: > I've been trying for a long time - intermittently - to find out how to > attach a mail message to an outgoing mail message. Sometimes I am > asked to "forward the email as an attachment". Apple help has not been > (helpful). I have not seen the answer in any forums, Nor has anyone I > have talked to known how. So I thought I would ask you folks. The answer depends on which email program you use. It looks like you're using Apple Mail v2.624. I use Gmail at home and Outlook at work, so that's not going to help you. I'll poke around Apple Mail when I get a chance, but someone else will probably come up with an answer before then. -- Rich From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Sun Feb 17 10:23:17 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Sun Feb 17 10:24:03 2008 Subject: [G4] Attach mail message to outgoing mail In-Reply-To: <0c92a8c9128db9037415c1a74beef7a4@globaldsl.net> References: <0c92a8c9128db9037415c1a74beef7a4@globaldsl.net> Message-ID: <47B87B95.7070701@comcast.net> It depends on which application you use for mail. I use Thunderbird, and all I have to do is drag the subject line from the list of messages into the attachments window of the message I am composing. Eric C D T wrote: > I've been trying for a long time - intermittently - to find out how to > attach a mail message to an outgoing mail message. Sometimes I am asked > to "forward the email as an attachment". Apple help has not been > (helpful). I have not seen the answer in any forums, Nor has anyone I > have talked to known how. So I thought I would ask you folks. > > Attaching any other kind of file is not a problem. Navigate to the file > and click "choose". I simply have not been able to find the mail > messages anywhere to be able to attach them. I'm not usually this dumb, > but I've simply struck out repeatedly in my many attempts to figure this > one out. > > Apologies in advance if this is an inappropriate post for this forum. > Thanks if there is an answer. > > Dan From richspk at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 10:25:10 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sun Feb 17 10:25:18 2008 Subject: [G4] Attach mail message to outgoing mail In-Reply-To: <14E6187A-4877-415E-A1A1-599F83111EF3@optonline.net> References: <0c92a8c9128db9037415c1a74beef7a4@globaldsl.net> <14E6187A-4877-415E-A1A1-599F83111EF3@optonline.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30802171025o259bf1a3ua449682b19d1f890@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 17, 2008 1:15 PM, James Asherman wrote: > If you simply want to forward an email, you can do that inline by > pressing the forward button, or first hilighting part of the email to > be forwarded. > If it must be an attachment, you can save the email to be attached by > copying and pasting into a new file, or simply dragging it to the > desktop. I think they're asking him to forward it as an attachment so they can see more of the headers. Forwarding a message inline usually trashes all but one or two of the headers (such as FROM: and DATE:). -- Rich From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun Feb 17 10:59:46 2008 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun Feb 17 11:00:13 2008 Subject: [G4] Attach mail message to outgoing mail In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30802171025o259bf1a3ua449682b19d1f890@mail.gmail.com> References: <0c92a8c9128db9037415c1a74beef7a4@globaldsl.net> <14E6187A-4877-415E-A1A1-599F83111EF3@optonline.net> <69ce86c30802171025o259bf1a3ua449682b19d1f890@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47B88422.6080401@dslextreme.com> Chaim The Squirrel Keeper wrote: > On Feb 17, 2008 1:15 PM, James Asherman wrote: >> If you simply want to forward an email, you can do that inline by >> pressing the forward button, or first hilighting part of the email to >> be forwarded. >> If it must be an attachment, you can save the email to be attached by >> copying and pasting into a new file, or simply dragging it to the >> desktop. > > I think they're asking him to forward it as an attachment so they can > see more of the headers. Forwarding a message inline usually trashes > all but one or two of the headers (such as FROM: and DATE:). > If you want the entire message, for analysis or digging out informtion abut the sender, the path, etc., go to View/Message Source. It will all be in there, and you can see what regular viewing takes out! keith whaley -- From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sun Feb 17 11:08:37 2008 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sun Feb 17 11:09:34 2008 Subject: [G4] Attach mail message to outgoing mail In-Reply-To: <47B88422.6080401@dslextreme.com> References: <0c92a8c9128db9037415c1a74beef7a4@globaldsl.net> <14E6187A-4877-415E-A1A1-599F83111EF3@optonline.net> <69ce86c30802171025o259bf1a3ua449682b19d1f890@mail.gmail.com> <47B88422.6080401@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <47B88635.8050602@dslextreme.com> keith_w wrote: > Chaim The Squirrel Keeper wrote: >> On Feb 17, 2008 1:15 PM, James Asherman wrote: >>> If you simply want to forward an email, you can do that inline by >>> pressing the forward button, or first hilighting part of the email to >>> be forwarded. >>> If it must be an attachment, you can save the email to be attached by >>> copying and pasting into a new file, or simply dragging it to the >>> desktop. >> I think they're asking him to forward it as an attachment so they can >> see more of the headers. Forwarding a message inline usually trashes >> all but one or two of the headers (such as FROM: and DATE:). > If you want the entire message, for analysis or digging out informtion > abut the sender, the path, etc., go to View/Message Source. > It will all be in there, and you can see what regular viewing takes out! > > keith whaley > The other thing is, if you do that, you have to Edit/Copy/Paste to put that data into another message. Still, pretty easy. Oh, and I was talking about SeaMonkey email client. No idea what the others offer... keith -- From kathialexis at cox.net Sun Feb 17 20:40:28 2008 From: kathialexis at cox.net (Kathi Anderson) Date: Sun Feb 17 20:40:41 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI to Firewire adapters on scanners In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c871e8$634e8220$6601a8c0@GX280> Kathi, Thank you for your input. It is encouraging. The reason why I am asking questions about the adapters is that I am hesitant in spending the bucks to update this scanner even though it is a great product that has not been used to excess and it is in wonderful shape for a seven year old unit. I tend to baby my hardware and it has usually paid off. The adapter, along with a few other gadgets will cost me in the vicinity of $200.00 in order for me to do this! So it is a calculated risk. Why not just buy a new scanner, I ask myself. At any rate, I use VueScan Professional, as the old Agfa software stopped functioning long ago. I just went to the VueScan web site and it supports both of your scanners. I too have that Nikon CoolScan LS-2000 and both work perfectly well with their professional version of their scanner software. It is worth checking out. I think it cost me about $99 bucks. http://www.hamrick.com/index.html They also offer a free trial and limitless future upgrades. It is a first class product. Thanks again, Bill Montreal Thanks for the tip, Bill. I'll check it out and let you know. As far as new scanners are concerned just be aware that when you buy a new scanner or other peripheral, it usually means you need to have newer operating systems and newer computers. Personally, I think the top of the line older scanners are much better than the newer ones, especially when you factor in all the cost...plus the learning curve. Whatever does a good job and doesn't break the bank. Ego can be very expensive. Kathi From skygram at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 22:27:10 2008 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Sun Feb 17 22:28:57 2008 Subject: [G4] SCSI to Firewire adapters on scanners In-Reply-To: <001001c871e8$634e8220$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: Kathi! Ego can indeed be expensive! At least when I start adding up all my insecurities! Harry pointed out that were I to upgrade my CPU with one of those new chips that I had better also update my video card. I am still using the original ATI 16mb graphics card along with a Radeon 7000. So when you start adding everything up it is getting awfully close to the price of a Mac Mini or even a low end iMac. I agree with you that older peripherals can be better in many respects over newer models. I like things that weigh a lot and older hardware is often heavier and this element gives me the idea, accurate or not, that they are more substantial. My Arcus II scanner, for example, weighs 35 pounds whereas the new Epson 750 weighs in at about 15 pounds. Yet the Epson ostensibly has better specs. Nevertheless the differences are not visible to my eyes. So I'll save myself the $900.00 and not get the Epson. But I must admit I sometimes like to buy stuff solely because of the cool factor. Call me shallow! :-) Thanks for your ideas. Bill Montreal From orbitdad at yahoo.com Mon Feb 18 18:30:43 2008 From: orbitdad at yahoo.com (Dale Miller) Date: Mon Feb 18 18:30:53 2008 Subject: [G4] Upgrade to USB 2.0 In-Reply-To: <07148566-DC45-4D2A-BADF-67347D7FD0DF@jakeholt.com> Message-ID: <895969.4988.qm@web83105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was unable to wake from sleep. Very frustrating. Then I upgraded to 10.5 and sleep started working fine. Didn't change anything else. Although did install a Time Machinge drive off the USB 2.0 PCI card. Dale Jake Holt Photography wrote: I have this: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonnet%20Technology/USB2/ Be aware, I have used 3 different USB 2.0 PCI cards and each one has prevented my computer from waking from sleep. I couldn't track it to any device other than the card itself. Maybe someone else here can offer a solution to that problem that I haven't thought of. - Jake Jake Holt Jake Holt Photography Austin, Texas office: 512-514-0501 cell: 512-750-4753 www.jakeholt.com _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080218/e29318a3/attachment.html From fast_primes at hotmail.com Thu Feb 21 09:48:00 2008 From: fast_primes at hotmail.com (Fast Primes) Date: Thu Feb 21 09:49:37 2008 Subject: [G4] Texteditor problem? Message-ID: For some reason Texteditor has quit working on my Mac G4/OSX system. Symptoms: - Open file xyz - make a few changes - system message: The application Texteditor has unexpectedly quit! Restarted system and repeated above steps with same result. Tried simply entering text and saving as new file. Again--same result. Suggestions appreciated. Thanks. FP _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080221/68c7ac63/attachment.html From jimash at optonline.net Thu Feb 21 10:01:27 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Thu Feb 21 10:02:39 2008 Subject: [G4] Texteditor problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5738154A-80AA-444F-BE51-980EBCE26F0B@optonline.net> Run Onyx. It's free on the Apple site Most times these things are permissions or prebindings related. Also "Leopard Cache cleaner" Good Program but slow. Jim On Feb 21, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Fast Primes wrote: > For some reason Texteditor has quit working on my Mac G4/OSX system. > Symptoms: > > - Open file xyz > - make a few changes > - system message: The application Texteditor has unexpectedly > quit! > > Restarted system and repeated above steps with same result. > > Tried simply entering text and saving as new file. Again--same result. > > Suggestions appreciated. > > Thanks. > > FP > > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge > with star power. Play now! > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does it display properly when first opened and before changes? Is it formatted in RTF (Apple's Textedit standard) of is it just text? Suggestion 4: Tell us what happens with other files. That new file failure sounds serious. Is there anything strange about your keyboard or mouse? Suggestion 5: Try a cat command on the file in Terminal.app. Well, naah, that's probably too much to ask. Suggestion 6: Try saving to a different disk or a network file. Can you make a Finder copy of the file? BareBones software offers TextWrangler as a free version of its BBEdit text editor. It doesn't muck with RTF the way TextEdit does. -- --> If it's not on fire it's a software problem. <-- From keith_w at dslextreme.com Thu Feb 21 11:02:59 2008 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Thu Feb 21 11:03:49 2008 Subject: [G4] Texteditor problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47BDCAE3.8090808@dslextreme.com> Doug McNutt wrote: [...] > BareBones software offers TextWrangler as a free version of its > BBEdit text editor. It doesn't muck with RTF the way TextEdit does. > BBEdit Lite was long my favorite general purpose text editor, by far, until BareBones quit supporting or bringing out new versions of it, later replacing it with Text Wrangler. I'm not yet sure how I feel about TextWrangler. I keep upgrading it, but... I still find it competent and very useful. keith whaley From jomph at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 21 12:48:36 2008 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Thu Feb 21 12:49:18 2008 Subject: [G4] Texteditor problem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 21-02-2008 18:48, Fast Primes, fast_primes@hotmail.com, wrote: > For some reason Texteditor has quit working on my Mac G4/OSX system. Symptoms: > > - Open file xyz > - make a few changes > - system message: The application Texteditor has unexpectedly quit! > > Restarted system and repeated above steps with same result. > > Tried simply entering text and saving as new file. Again--same result. > > Suggestions appreciated. > > Thanks. > > FP What G4 {laptop, iMac, eMac, DT (Yikes, Sawtooth, GE, DA, QS or MDD???)}???? What OSX (Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger or Leopard???)???? So more details may be a help to figure out your queries. Jo Hissel From fusekigames at briandeuel.com Thu Feb 21 16:21:16 2008 From: fusekigames at briandeuel.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Thu Feb 21 16:21:40 2008 Subject: [G4] Power supply question... "Yikes!" vs Gigabit Ethernet Message-ID: <1203639676.8032.1238248125@webmail.messagingengine.com> Just a quick question... Would anyone know if the power supply is the same between the G4 "Yikes" and the Gigabit Ethernet? Thanks in advance! Brian ---- Brian Deuel BrianDeuelDotCom http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1 gig RAM Geforce 6200 256meg Video Mac OS X 10.4.11 Powerbook G3 Wallstreet 266mhz processor 512meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto From briang113 at pacbell.net Thu Feb 21 20:04:55 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Thu Feb 21 20:05:11 2008 Subject: [G4] Power supply question... "Yikes!" vs Gigabit Ethernet In-Reply-To: <1203639676.8032.1238248125@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1203639676.8032.1238248125@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: The Gigabit had a higher wattage power supply that was 328 watts. The yikes was around 200 watts. As for physical size I am not sure. Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Feb 21, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Brian Deuel wrote: > Just a quick question... > > Would anyone know if the power supply is the same between the G4 > "Yikes" > and the Gigabit Ethernet? > > Thanks in advance! > > Brian > ---- > Brian Deuel > BrianDeuelDotCom > http://www.briandeuel.com > > Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" > 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor > 1 gig RAM > Geforce 6200 256meg Video > Mac OS X 10.4.11 > > Powerbook G3 Wallstreet > 266mhz processor > 512meg RAM > Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From fusekigames at briandeuel.com Thu Feb 21 20:17:26 2008 From: fusekigames at briandeuel.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Thu Feb 21 20:17:34 2008 Subject: [G4] Power supply question... "Yikes!" vs Gigabit Ethernet In-Reply-To: References: <1203639676.8032.1238248125@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1203653846.16249.1238276713@webmail.messagingengine.com> Thanks. That's what I was looking for. Brian On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:04:55 -0800, "B G" said: > The Gigabit had a higher wattage power supply that was 328 watts. > > The yikes was around 200 watts. > > As for physical size I am not sure. > > > Brian > > G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM > > On Feb 21, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Brian Deuel wrote: > > > Just a quick question... > > > > Would anyone know if the power supply is the same between the G4 > > "Yikes" > > and the Gigabit Ethernet? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Brian > > ---- > > Brian Deuel > > BrianDeuelDotCom > > http://www.briandeuel.com > > > > Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" > > 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor > > 1 gig RAM > > Geforce 6200 256meg Video > > Mac OS X 10.4.11 > > > > Powerbook G3 Wallstreet > > 266mhz processor > > 512meg RAM > > Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ---- Brian Deuel BrianDeuelDotCom http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1 gig RAM Geforce 6200 256meg Video Mac OS X 10.4.11 Powerbook G3 Wallstreet 266mhz processor 512meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto From cdt at globaldsl.net Fri Feb 22 04:37:28 2008 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (C D T) Date: Fri Feb 22 04:38:07 2008 Subject: Fwd: [G4] Power supply question... "Yikes!" vs Gigabit Ethernet Message-ID: <95ccb6c4640177a0a39d4be680d16929@globaldsl.net> NOTE: PIN CONFIGURATION on power supplies Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Yikes was based on the G3. The G3 has the lower wattage power supply with a 20 pin connector. I know the Gigabit has a 22 pin connector, I have 2 of them. Be sure the PIN CONFIGURATION matches when you are looking at power supplies! I went through this when I thought I needed a power supply for my Gigabit, 450Mhz single processor. The machine wouldn't start up. Push the power button and nothing would happen. I tried unplugging it for various periods of time from a few minutes to a few hours and plugging it back in. Nothing. The diagnostic I found on the internet indicated that the power supply was dead. I had trouble locating one at a reasonable price, so I ended up buying a used G4 Quicksilver Dual 1 Ghz. I took the pram battery out of the Gigabit and was just going to use it for parts. A few weeks later - just on a whim - I tried to start it up. Much to my surprise, it started and ran fine. It's been going strong for almost a year since the original failure and I have no idea what the original trouble was! Anyone ever of something like this and know what causes it? Dan Begin forwarded message: > The Gigabit had a higher wattage power supply that was 328 watts. > > The yikes was around 200 watts. > > As for physical size I am not sure. From ewood at izoom.net Fri Feb 22 10:13:22 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Fri Feb 22 10:13:42 2008 Subject: [G4] Power supply question... "Yikes!" vs Gigabit Ethernet In-Reply-To: <95ccb6c4640177a0a39d4be680d16929@globaldsl.net> References: <95ccb6c4640177a0a39d4be680d16929@globaldsl.net> Message-ID: <2ACC8D4C-E233-4AE9-A464-BFED9F3E573F@izoom.net> Am Feb 22, 2008 um 6:37 AM schrieb C D T: > NOTE: PIN CONFIGURATION on power supplies > > Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the > Yikes was based on the G3. The G3 has the lower wattage power > supply with a 20 pin connector. I know the Gigabit has a 22 pin > connector, I have 2 of them. Be sure the PIN CONFIGURATION matches > when you are looking at power supplies! > > I went through this when I thought I needed a power supply for my > Gigabit, 450Mhz single processor. The machine wouldn't start up. > Push the power button and nothing would happen. I tried unplugging > it for various periods of time from a few minutes to a few hours > and plugging it back in. Nothing. The diagnostic I found on the > internet indicated that the power supply was dead. I had trouble > locating one at a reasonable price, so I ended up buying a used G4 > Quicksilver Dual 1 Ghz. I took the pram battery out of the Gigabit > and was just going to use it for parts. A few weeks later - just > on a whim - I tried to start it up. Much to my surprise, it > started and ran fine. It's been going strong for almost a year > since the original failure and I have no idea what the original > trouble was! Anyone ever of something like this and know what > causes it? > > Dan > > Begin forwarded message: > >> The Gigabit had a higher wattage power supply that was 328 watts. >> >> The yikes was around 200 watts. >> >> As for physical size I am not sure. > I know that in the case of a blue & white G3, it's possible to buy a standard ATX power supply and simply disconnect one of the wires to have it work. There is information about that at xlr8yourmac.com Eric W. From braddrussell at yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 13:22:12 2008 From: braddrussell at yahoo.com (Brad Russell) Date: Fri Feb 22 13:22:54 2008 Subject: [G4] Graphics cards for Leopard Message-ID: <718578.56402.qm@web62415.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I have a DP 500 with a ATI 9200 card running Tiger. I also have a DP 1.8 G5 on the way with the FX5200 card in it. When the new computer arrives I'd like to move the G4 to Leopard. I don't think the 9200 will work though. Does anyone know if I can use the 5200 in the DP500 and get a new card for the G5? Thanks! Brad ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I ran my DP500 with Leopard and a Geforce2mx/32megs for a while and it was fine, although it stuttered a bit with the dock and QE. DVD Player, Front Row, and Quicktime all worked fine. The 5200 will probably work, but you'll need to disable pins 3 and 11 on the card. Details on how to do this are at http://themacelite.wikidot.com/ Brian ---- Brian Deuel BrianDeuelDotCom http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1 gig RAM Geforce 6200 256meg Video Mac OS X 10.4.11 Powerbook G3 Wallstreet 266mhz processor 512meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto From jimash at optonline.net Fri Feb 22 13:41:09 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Fri Feb 22 13:42:28 2008 Subject: [G4] Graphics cards for Leopard In-Reply-To: <718578.56402.qm@web62415.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <718578.56402.qm@web62415.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are a lot of ins and outs and I'm not sure. IF the 5200 is AGP and your G4 is AGP you can cheat it in. There are instructions on the web. But for reference, I am running Leopard on a G4 Quicksilver 2001 and using an ATI 9000. It works very well minus transparent menus. All the quicklook and coverflow stuff works well. So I'd just use them as they are. Jim On Feb 22, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Brad Russell wrote: > I have a DP 500 with a ATI 9200 card running Tiger. I also have a > DP 1.8 G5 on the way with the FX5200 card in it. When the new > computer arrives I'd like to move the G4 to Leopard. I don't think > the 9200 will work though. Does anyone know if I can use the 5200 > in the DP500 and get a new card for the G5? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now. _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080222/aa4f0c87/attachment-0001.html From braddrussell at yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 12:51:49 2008 From: braddrussell at yahoo.com (Brad Russell) Date: Mon Feb 25 12:52:40 2008 Subject: [G4] Graphics Card for Leopard Message-ID: <242095.62129.qm@web62402.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the replies! I thought you needed Core animation for Leopard to work. Along with the G5 I have a Macbook so the DP500 will be an itunes server and a machine for the kids. If all I'll be missing is some animation stuff I think I'll stick with the 9200 in the G4. Now I'm guessing an upgrade for the G5 might be in order. Anyone have any recommendations. It is a DP 1.8 and currently has the FX500. Thanks! Brad There are a lot of ins and outs and I'm not sure. IF the 5200 is AGP and your G4 is AGP you can cheat it in. There are instructions on the web. But for reference, I am running Leopard on a G4 Quicksilver 2001 and using an ATI 9000. It works very well minus transparent menus. All the quicklook and coverflow stuff works well. So I'd just use them as they are. Jim On Feb 22, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Brad Russell wrote: > I have a DP 500 with a ATI 9200 card running Tiger. I also have a > DP 1.8 G5 on the way with the FX5200 card in it. When the new > computer arrives I'd like to move the G4 to Leopard. I don't think > the 9200 will work though. Does anyone know if I can use the 5200 > in the DP500 and get a new card for the G5? > > Thanks! > > Brad ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080225/3d5b7c38/attachment.html From fsudore at mac.com Tue Feb 26 04:33:30 2008 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Tue Feb 26 04:31:24 2008 Subject: [G4] Graphics Card for Leopard In-Reply-To: <144B42E6-A949-405F-840C-9DFA0412824E@optonline.net> References: <242095.62129.qm@web62402.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <144B42E6-A949-405F-840C-9DFA0412824E@optonline.net> Message-ID: <2E14CCBB-C5DF-42F2-9B99-F693A70B2BB0@mac.com> I HAVE THE 9600 MAC EDITION WORKS GREAT !! On Feb 25, 2008, at 4:09 PM, James Asherman wrote: > > Sorry for the G5 ref > >> I have an ATI 9800 pro in my G5. > It's 4x instead of 8x but it works very well indeed. > Jim > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080226/b6ddfdc2/attachment.html From jperdman at earthlink.net Tue Feb 26 07:11:53 2008 From: jperdman at earthlink.net (John Erdman) Date: Tue Feb 26 07:13:43 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works Message-ID: My distinctly non-geeky computer dysfunctional sister-in-law has hated her Mac ever since she upgraded to OSX. This because she no longer can use Claris Works. She doesn't/can't understand that it will run fine in Classic mode... at least she won't make the time to learn how to do it.... and besides it's an extra step which is a big inconvenience to her. Now, no comments on the bizarre psychology, I can't understand it myself. And no.... the possibility of a retrograde move back to OS 9 is not an option. I never used Claris Works myself, but it seems there are people out there who really miss it's simplicity. My question is this: Are there any OSX word processing apps available that might appeal to a sad ex-Claris worker? Thanks, John From mos125 at comcast.net Tue Feb 26 07:44:44 2008 From: mos125 at comcast.net (Thomas Brooks) Date: Tue Feb 26 07:45:16 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D45AE0D-B5C9-46E1-9173-3A1F4E8A24CE@comcast.net> Here are two places to start. It is very easy to transition from ClarisWorks to AppleWorks and I think all documents are convertible. Prices appear to be max $40 and minimum less than $20. Probably a lot of other options around. I think I may have an AppleWorks 5.0 disk around somewhere. Since it is no longer on my machine I could send to you for cost of postage if I can find it. Tom Brooks ### On Feb 26, 2008, at 10:11 AM, John Erdman wrote: > My distinctly non-geeky computer dysfunctional sister-in-law has > hated her Mac ever since she upgraded to OSX. This because she no > longer can use Claris Works. She doesn't/can't understand that it > will run fine in Classic mode... at least she won't make the time to > learn how to do it.... and besides it's an extra step which is a big > inconvenience to her. Now, no comments on the bizarre psychology, > I can't understand it myself. And no.... the possibility of a > retrograde move back to OS 9 is not an option. > > I never used Claris Works myself, but it seems there are people out > there who really miss it's simplicity. > > My question is this: Are there any OSX word processing apps > available that might appeal to a sad ex-Claris worker? > > Thanks, > John > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From tabdave at ca.rr.com Tue Feb 26 10:38:51 2008 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Tue Feb 26 10:39:39 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Set Classic to launch automatically at startup. Then all she has to do is launch ClarisWorks like she usually would. David On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:11 AM, John Erdman wrote: > My distinctly non-geeky computer dysfunctional sister-in-law has > hated her Mac ever since she upgraded to OSX. This because she no > longer can use Claris Works. She doesn't/can't understand that it > will run fine in Classic mode... at least she won't make the time > to learn how to do it.... and besides it's an extra step which is a > big inconvenience to her. Now, no comments on the bizarre > psychology, I can't understand it myself. And no.... the > possibility of a retrograde move back to OS 9 is not an option. > > I never used Claris Works myself, but it seems there are people out > there who really miss it's simplicity. > > My question is this: Are there any OSX word processing apps > available that might appeal to a sad ex-Claris worker? > > Thanks, > John > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From dancurr at frontiernet.net Tue Feb 26 12:12:24 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Tue Feb 26 12:12:38 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C472A8.6010007@frontiernet.net> Crandon David wrote: > Set Classic to launch automatically at startup. Then all she has to > do is launch ClarisWorks like she usually would. > > David > > > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:11 AM, John Erdman wrote: > >> My distinctly non-geeky computer dysfunctional sister-in-law has >> hated her Mac ever since she upgraded to OSX. This because she no >> longer can use Claris Works. She doesn't/can't understand that it >> will run fine in Classic mode... at least she won't make the time to >> learn how to do it.... and besides it's an extra step which is a big >> inconvenience to her. Now, no comments on the bizarre psychology, >> I can't understand it myself. And no.... the possibility of a >> retrograde move back to OS 9 is not an option. >> >> I never used Claris Works myself, but it seems there are people out >> there who really miss it's simplicity. >> >> My question is this: Are there any OSX word processing apps >> available that might appeal to a sad ex-Claris worker? >> Just get her AppleWorks ... it works the same ... maybe better!! From britchey11 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 16:29:04 2008 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Tue Feb 26 16:29:28 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works In-Reply-To: <47C472A8.6010007@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <252038.81922.qm@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> that is the best idea! --- Dan A Currie wrote: > Crandon David wrote: > > > Set Classic to launch automatically at startup. > Then all she has to > > do is launch ClarisWorks like she usually would. > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:11 AM, John Erdman wrote: > > > >> My distinctly non-geeky computer dysfunctional > sister-in-law has > >> hated her Mac ever since she upgraded to OSX. > This because she no > >> longer can use Claris Works. She doesn't/can't > understand that it > >> will run fine in Classic mode... at least she > won't make the time to > >> learn how to do it.... and besides it's an extra > step which is a big > >> inconvenience to her. Now, no comments on the > bizarre psychology, > >> I can't understand it myself. And no.... the > possibility of a > >> retrograde move back to OS 9 is not an option. > >> > >> I never used Claris Works myself, but it seems > there are people out > >> there who really miss it's simplicity. > >> > >> My question is this: Are there any OSX word > processing apps > >> available that might appeal to a sad ex-Claris > worker? > >> > Just get her AppleWorks ... it works the same ... > maybe better!! > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From britchey11 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 16:41:25 2008 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Tue Feb 26 16:41:36 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <869787.19849.qm@web37412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> apple works should work too, i have 5 macs, i hate X and Final Cut Pro. I love 9.1 and the other video editors that will run on it. Classic isn't always the same as 9.1. --- Crandon David wrote: > Set Classic to launch automatically at startup. Then > all she has to > do is launch ClarisWorks like she usually would. > > David > > > > On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:11 AM, John Erdman wrote: > > > My distinctly non-geeky computer dysfunctional > sister-in-law has > > hated her Mac ever since she upgraded to OSX. This > because she no > > longer can use Claris Works. She doesn't/can't > understand that it > > will run fine in Classic mode... at least she > won't make the time > > to learn how to do it.... and besides it's an > extra step which is a > > big inconvenience to her. Now, no comments on > the bizarre > > psychology, I can't understand it myself. And > no.... the > > possibility of a retrograde move back to OS 9 is > not an option. > > > > I never used Claris Works myself, but it seems > there are people out > > there who really miss it's simplicity. > > > > My question is this: Are there any OSX word > processing apps > > available that might appeal to a sad ex-Claris > worker? > > > > Thanks, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ewood at izoom.net Tue Feb 26 17:48:00 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Tue Feb 26 17:48:17 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Am Feb 26, 2008 um 9:11 AM schrieb John Erdman: > My distinctly non-geeky computer dysfunctional sister-in-law has > hated her Mac ever since she upgraded to OSX. This because she no > longer can use Claris Works. She doesn't/can't understand that it > will run fine in Classic mode... at least she won't make the time > to learn how to do it.... and besides it's an extra step which is a > big inconvenience to her. Now, no comments on the bizarre > psychology, I can't understand it myself. And no.... the > possibility of a retrograde move back to OS 9 is not an option. > > I never used Claris Works myself, but it seems there are people out > there who really miss it's simplicity. > > My question is this: Are there any OSX word processing apps > available that might appeal to a sad ex-Claris worker? > > Thanks, > John If she can handle Open Office, I've seen it open ClarisWorks and AppleWorks documents. Or more specifically, NeoOffice. At least there's no cost in getting that one. Eric From britchey11 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 18:03:25 2008 From: britchey11 at yahoo.com (bill ritchey) Date: Tue Feb 26 18:03:30 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <939909.57952.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> apple works is very much like claris. i believe there was a point when it was little more than a name change. i used claris years ago and switched to apple works when it came with the system and i didn't have to re-learn much. --- Eric Wood wrote: > Am Feb 26, 2008 um 9:11 AM schrieb John Erdman: > > > My distinctly non-geeky computer dysfunctional > sister-in-law has > > hated her Mac ever since she upgraded to OSX. This > because she no > > longer can use Claris Works. She doesn't/can't > understand that it > > will run fine in Classic mode... at least she > won't make the time > > to learn how to do it.... and besides it's an > extra step which is a > > big inconvenience to her. Now, no comments on > the bizarre > > psychology, I can't understand it myself. And > no.... the > > possibility of a retrograde move back to OS 9 is > not an option. > > > > I never used Claris Works myself, but it seems > there are people out > > there who really miss it's simplicity. > > > > My question is this: Are there any OSX word > processing apps > > available that might appeal to a sad ex-Claris > worker? > > > > Thanks, > > John > > If she can handle Open Office, I've seen it open > ClarisWorks and > AppleWorks documents. Or more specifically, > NeoOffice. At least > there's no cost in getting that one. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ewood at izoom.net Tue Feb 26 18:09:57 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (Eric Wood) Date: Tue Feb 26 18:10:09 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works In-Reply-To: <939909.57952.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <939909.57952.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Am Feb 26, 2008 um 8:03 PM schrieb bill ritchey: > apple works is very much like claris. i believe there > was a point when it was little more than a name > change. i used claris years ago and switched to apple > works when it came with the system and i didn't have > to re-learn much. I have nothing against AppleWorks myself, though I've seen it crash a lot in Tiger. Maybe I'm just missing some kind of fix, but I had it at the latest patch and still it would quit suddenly as soon as I'd try typing. I find NeoOffice to be very useful, and again it costs nothing at all to use, though one is free to donate to the developers. Eric From jimash at optonline.net Tue Feb 26 18:15:42 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Tue Feb 26 18:15:53 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works In-Reply-To: <939909.57952.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <939909.57952.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <584C42B3-37C0-4C10-9F4E-C03F53F04FBE@optonline.net> It is the same program. And still works well. A little jaggy in Leopard. but easy. Neo Office is awfully handy. J On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:03 PM, bill ritchey wrote: > apple works is very much like claris. i believe there > was a point when it was little more than a name > change. i used claris years ago and switched to apple > works when it came with the system and i didn't have > to re-learn much. From m3gunner at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 27 10:09:59 2008 From: m3gunner at sbcglobal.net (Jamie Pruden) Date: Wed Feb 27 10:10:13 2008 Subject: [G4] Replacement for Claris Works In-Reply-To: <939909.57952.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <939909.57952.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96325AFB-E847-4CDA-9815-6789E8EF935F@sbcglobal.net> Hi Bill, That's absolutely true. I worked in the SCM group at FileMaker when the transition happened... essentially, we took ClarisWorks 5.0v3 and sent the source to Apple. They stripped out all of the Claris icons and naming, put in Apple icons and released ClarisWorks 5.0v4. AppleWorks 6 was developed at Apple and still works... even in Leopard. I'd highly recommend iWork, however. It will open AppleWorks documents with ease and does a MUCH better job of handling graphics. smiles, Jamie On Feb 26, 2008, at 6:03 PM, bill ritchey wrote: > apple works is very much like claris. i believe there > was a point when it was little more than a name > change. i used claris years ago and switched to apple > works when it came with the system and i didn't have > to re-learn much.