From beattyr2003 at cox.net Sat Mar 1 09:36:14 2008 From: beattyr2003 at cox.net (Rob) Date: Sat Mar 1 09:36:58 2008 Subject: [G4] newbie with a g4 Message-ID: <000001c87bc2$bf5dda50$0345130a@Rob> Hello all, I am a newbie to Mac and to the G4, but I am very experienced with PCs. I picked up a G4 MDD 1Ghz system from work that was being dumped. Apparently it has a bad power supply and had the hdd, video board, and memory stripped. I took it home and confirmed it was the PS that?s bad. Looking around for a replacement, I am seeing around 150$ on costs for replacement, but I have also learned that they are extremely noisy. So all that being said, is there a viable power supply conversion out there? Such as taking a standard ATX PC powersupply and fitting it to the G4? Also what is a suitable replacement to the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro 64MB video card? Thanks for any help you can offer! Rob No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1305 - Release Date: 2/29/2008 6:32 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080301/d4644b14/attachment.html From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 1 13:39:20 2008 From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (rich northouse) Date: Sat Mar 1 13:39:51 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac Network#@ References: Message-ID: Sorry, I failed to mention that I want to transfer programs and data between the two machines, as well as having them on the network. I currently have them hooked together on a small cat5 network, sharing printers, cable modem. etc. What I want to is transfer files, photos, etc. between them. > > Hi, > > Hope you guys can help. I have two macs, a QS 733 G4(10.4.11) and a > G5 1,6Ghz(10.1) that I want to connect on an cat5 network. The last > time I had to do this was when I was using OS7 or 8. Things are a > lot different nowdays. Is this a short answer, or do I need to look > elsewhere? > > Thanks for your help, Rich > From richspk at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 14:06:35 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sat Mar 1 14:06:50 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac Network#@ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69ce86c30803011406w1aa21031mb444e830d3dc8f5a@mail.gmail.com> I have my Mac plugged into a gigabit switch, and then the switch is plugged into a router, which is plugged into my DSL modem. I use the switch and the router because I need a router to direct packets from the internet to the right computer (a switch doesn't do that) and I couldn't find any gigabit routers at a reasonable price. The gigabit switch lets me transfer packets inside my apartment at full speed, but doesn't do a thing for my internet connection. As far as set-up on the Mac, I don't remember doing anything. As long as the router acts as a DHCP server (which means the router assigns each computer an address automatically, and which is usually the default), then the Macs should just work when you plug in all the network cables. -- Rich On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:39 PM, rich northouse wrote: > Sorry, I failed to mention that I want to transfer programs and data > between the two machines, as well as having them on the network. I > currently have them hooked together on a small cat5 network, sharing > printers, cable modem. etc. What I want to is transfer files, > photos, etc. between them. > > > > Hi, > > > > Hope you guys can help. I have two macs, a QS 733 G4(10.4.11) and a > > G5 1,6Ghz(10.1) that I want to connect on an cat5 network. The last > > time I had to do this was when I was using OS7 or 8. Things are a > > lot different nowdays. Is this a short answer, or do I need to look > > elsewhere? > > > > Thanks for your help, Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From alpoulin at cox.net Sat Mar 1 14:47:56 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sat Mar 1 14:48:08 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac Network#@ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rich: Sorry, not a short answer, but here is a summary. I'm a little perplexed about the G5 having 10.1. I believe, according to lowendmac.com, that the machine came with 10.2 Jaguar. There are chapters in books describing how to do what you want. In David Pogue's series of books, "Mac OS X The Missing Manual," one for each version of OS X, there are a number of ways described for doing what you want to do. But in your Finder Help, and at Apple's web site, you can get the basic info that you need. Key words include File Sharing, Printer Sharing, and Public Folder. In one method basically, with File Sharing enabled on each Mac, you copy files into your Public Folder on one computer and then go fetch them from there with the other computer. With photos, if you use the iPhoto application on each Mac, there are ways to keep albums (or events in Leopard) intact. Also look for FireWire Disk Mode or Target Disk Mode which uses a FireWire cable between two Macs instead of Ethernet Cat 5. I hope this helps you peel the onion in this business. Al Poulin On Mar 1, 2008, at 4:39 PM, rich northouse wrote: > Sorry, I failed to mention that I want to transfer programs and data > between the two machines, as well as having them on the network. I > currently have them hooked together on a small cat5 network, sharing > printers, cable modem. etc. What I want to is transfer files, photos, > etc. between them. >> >> Hi, >> >> Hope you guys can help. I have two macs, a QS 733 G4(10.4.11) and a >> G5 1,6Ghz(10.1) that I want to connect on an cat5 network. The last >> time I had to do this was when I was using OS7 or 8. Things are a lot >> different nowdays. Is this a short answer, or do I need to look >> elsewhere? From richspk at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 14:54:49 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sat Mar 1 14:55:02 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac Network#@ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69ce86c30803011454n7d7ca3dfi6c03dc2c76bbf118@mail.gmail.com> Good point! I've only used Tiger and Leopard, so I don't know if networking worked the same in earlier versions of OS X. -- Rich (a different Rich) On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > Rich: > > Sorry, not a short answer, but here is a summary. > > I'm a little perplexed about the G5 having 10.1. I believe, according > to lowendmac.com, that the machine came with 10.2 Jaguar. From adamss99 at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 1 16:34:55 2008 From: adamss99 at bellsouth.net (Steve Adams) Date: Sat Mar 1 16:35:04 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac Network#@ In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30803011454n7d7ca3dfi6c03dc2c76bbf118@mail.gmail.com> References: <69ce86c30803011454n7d7ca3dfi6c03dc2c76bbf118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've used all versions of OS X. Networking is the same on 10.1 but it is so buggy and loaded with problems. Too many loose ends (things we were told would work but don't) in 10.1 to keep it. You need to dump 10.1 as quick as you can and get 10.3 or above. That was the first and (in my opinion) the most stable OS X ever. Steve Adams On Mar 1, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Chaim The Squirrel Keeper wrote: > Good point! I've only used Tiger and Leopard, so I don't know if > networking worked the same in earlier versions of OS X. > > -- > Rich (a different Rich) > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Al Poulin wrote: >> Rich: >> >> Sorry, not a short answer, but here is a summary. >> >> I'm a little perplexed about the G5 having 10.1. I believe, >> according >> to lowendmac.com, that the machine came with 10.2 Jaguar. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 1 21:44:08 2008 From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (rich northouse) Date: Sat Mar 1 21:44:21 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac Network#2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02930E14-29EA-4184-9CFC-0F0A596C4FFE@wi.rr.com> Al, Thanks -- nice eagle eye you have -- the 5 of 10.5.1 got left off. Thanks for your ideas. Rich On Mar 1, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > Rich: > > Sorry, not a short answer, but here is a summary. > > I'm a little perplexed about the G5 having 10.1. I believe, > according to lowendmac.com, that the machine came with 10.2 > Jaguar. There are chapters in books describing how to do what you > want. In David Pogue's series of books, "Mac OS X The Missing > Manual," one for each version of OS X, there are a number of ways > described for doing what you want to do. But in your Finder Help, > and at Apple's web site, you can get the basic info that you need. > Key words include File Sharing, Printer Sharing, and Public > Folder. In one method basically, with File Sharing enabled on each > Mac, you copy files into your Public Folder on one computer and > then go fetch them from there with the other computer. With > photos, if you use the iPhoto application on each Mac, there are > ways to keep albums (or events in Leopard) intact. Also look for > FireWire Disk Mode or Target Disk Mode which uses a FireWire cable > between two Macs instead of Ethernet Cat 5. > > I hope this helps you peel the onion in this business. > > Al Poulin > > > On Mar 1, 2008, at 4:39 PM, rich northouse wrote: > >> Sorry, I failed to mention that I want to transfer programs and >> data between the two machines, as well as having them on the >> network. I currently have them hooked together on a small cat5 >> network, sharing printers, cable modem. etc. What I want to is >> transfer files, photos, etc. between them. >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Hope you guys can help. I have two macs, a QS 733 G4(10.4.11) and >>> a G5 1,6Ghz(10.1) that I want to connect on an cat5 network. The >>> last time I had to do this was when I was using OS7 or 8. Things >>> are a lot different nowdays. Is this a short answer, or do I need >>> to look elsewhere? > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ppd at spin.net.au Sun Mar 2 01:37:14 2008 From: ppd at spin.net.au (Paul) Date: Sun Mar 2 01:39:22 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks Message-ID: <569c3efdf17247b76c096950de857262@spin.net.au> Hello all, I recently acquired a G4 Mirror Door Drive 1.25 GHz DP tower (the FireWire 400 model), without the original system disks. I still use OS 9 (the real one, not Classic), and as I?m sure you all know, I cannot get OS 9 onto this machine without the original disks. So if someone has a set of these disks that they no longer need, I would be happy to purchase these from you. Thanks in advance. Paul From galilao at lava.net Sun Mar 2 03:18:45 2008 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Sun Mar 2 03:18:11 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <569c3efdf17247b76c096950de857262@spin.net.au> References: <569c3efdf17247b76c096950de857262@spin.net.au> Message-ID: <47CA8D15.9080601@lava.net> Paul wrote: > Hello all, > > I recently acquired a G4 Mirror Door Drive 1.25 GHz DP tower (the > FireWire 400 model), without the original system disks. I still use OS > 9 (the real one, not Classic), and as I?m sure you all know, I cannot > get OS 9 onto this machine without the original disks. So if someone > has a set of these disks that they no longer need, I would be happy to > purchase these from you. > > Thanks in advance. > > Paul _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Hello Paul, What OSX is loaded on this MDD? I also have a pair of G4 MDD Firewire 400 Macs with 10.3 on them. So far as I can tell, once a MDD has 10.3 or higher on it, it loses the ability to read the genuine Apple MDD OS CD's. In other words, both of my MDD's cannot load from the original genuine Apple MDD CD's that came packaged with one of my MDDs. I think the firmware gets modified. When I put the original Apple MDD CD into the DVD drive, my MDDs don't even recognize that there is an Apple OS CD in the drive. My understanding is that the CD's have a certain revision number on them and if the revision number is not compatible with the current firmware, the MDD won't even recognize that there is an Apple OS CD in the drive. The local Apple store didn't know this and I spent hundreds of dollars replacing parts that didn't need to be changed, before we all realized what the problem was. In other words if you get a set of genuine original G4 MDD CD's it won't load unless somebody else knows something I don't. I have also found that trying to go down from 10.3 to 10.2 won't solve the problem, because it seems that once the firmware gets upgraded, it won't come back down. However, if you can get a genuine set of Apple G4 MDD OS DVD's , that might work, but I don't guarantee it. Cordially, Bruce Ryan Nakamura From wayne at troutnc.com Sun Mar 2 04:38:35 2008 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Sun Mar 2 04:38:43 2008 Subject: [G4] Mac Network#2 In-Reply-To: <02930E14-29EA-4184-9CFC-0F0A596C4FFE@wi.rr.com> References: <02930E14-29EA-4184-9CFC-0F0A596C4FFE@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <47CA9FCB.2010603@troutnc.com> rich northouse wrote: > Al, > > Thanks -- nice eagle eye you have -- the 5 of 10.5.1 got left off. > Thanks for your ideas. > > Rich > On Mar 1, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > >> Rich: >> >> Sorry, not a short answer, but here is a summary. >> >> I'm a little perplexed about the G5 having 10.1. I believe, according >> to lowendmac.com, that the machine came with 10.2 Jaguar. There are >> chapters in books describing how to do what you want. In David >> Pogue's series of books, "Mac OS X The Missing Manual," one for each >> version of OS X, there are a number of ways described for doing what >> you want to do. But in your Finder Help, and at Apple's web site, you >> can get the basic info that you need. Key words include File Sharing, >> Printer Sharing, and Public Folder. In one method basically, with >> File Sharing enabled on each Mac, you copy files into your Public >> Folder on one computer and then go fetch them from there with the >> other computer. With photos, if you use the iPhoto application on >> each Mac, there are ways to keep albums (or events in Leopard) >> intact. Also look for FireWire Disk Mode or Target Disk Mode which >> uses a FireWire cable between two Macs instead of Ethernet Cat 5. >> >> I hope this helps you peel the onion in this business. >> >> Al Poulin >> >> >> On Mar 1, 2008, at 4:39 PM, rich northouse wrote: >> >>> Sorry, I failed to mention that I want to transfer programs and data >>> between the two machines, as well as having them on the network. I >>> currently have them hooked together on a small cat5 network, sharing >>> printers, cable modem. etc. What I want to is transfer files, >>> photos, etc. between them. >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Hope you guys can help. I have two macs, a QS 733 G4(10.4.11) and a >>>> G5 1,6Ghz(10.1) that I want to connect on an cat5 network. The last >>>> time I had to do this was when I was using OS7 or 8. Things are a >>>> lot different nowdays. Is this a short answer, or do I need to look >>>> elsewhere? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Swapping data and files is as easy as it can be on two macs connected via ethernet. In the sharing System Pref, just turn on Personal File Sharing. On both computers. Then, by supplying the user name and password of the other computer, you can mount that computer's disk(s) on your computer right alongside your own disks. Then transferring anything is just a drag and drop away. Here's how you do it: Click "Go" in the Finder menu bar and drag down through the popup dialog and select Network. You should see the other computer in the resulting Network window. Select it with a single click. Then click on the resulting "Connect" button. Finally, enter the username and password for the computer you are connecting to. Then select as many (Command-click for more than one) of the disks in the resulting list of volumes as you want to mount on your computer. That's all there is to it. From ppd at spin.net.au Sun Mar 2 11:35:50 2008 From: ppd at spin.net.au (Paul) Date: Sun Mar 2 11:38:01 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <47CA8D15.9080601@lava.net> References: <569c3efdf17247b76c096950de857262@spin.net.au> <47CA8D15.9080601@lava.net> Message-ID: <3d8f3337f0e183fbc9c29d56e9979cc0@spin.net.au> Hello Bruce, many thanks for your helpful and informative reply to my query. I was not aware of any of this, so it?s good to know. I only acquired the computer last week. It had Mac OS 10.2.8 on it, and it also had Classic. I erased the drive because the fellow I got it from had left some stuff on there I didn?t want. I used a commercial version of Jaguar 10.2 to do the erasing - so at present the computer has Mac OS 10.2 installed. I?m not sure what you mean by firmware, but if you mean the computer?s boot ROM, this is 4.4.8f2, which is the ROM version as recommended on Apple?s website, to reduce fan noise under OS 9. Still waiting and still hoping for those disks........... Thanks Paul On 02/03/2008, at 10:18 PM, Bruce Ryan Nakamura wrote: > Paul wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I recently acquired a G4 Mirror Door Drive 1.25 GHz DP tower (the >> FireWire 400 model), without the original system disks. I still use >> OS 9 (the real one, not Classic), and as I?m sure you all know, I >> cannot get OS 9 onto this machine without the original disks. So if >> someone has a set of these disks that they no longer need, I would be >> happy to purchase these from you. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Paul _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> > Hello Paul, > > What OSX is loaded on this MDD? I also have a pair of G4 MDD Firewire > 400 Macs with 10.3 on them. So far as I can tell, once a MDD has 10.3 > or higher on it, it loses the ability to read the genuine Apple MDD OS > CD's. In other words, both of my MDD's cannot load from the original > genuine Apple MDD CD's that came packaged with one of my MDDs. I > think the firmware gets modified. When I put the original Apple MDD > CD into the DVD drive, my MDDs don't even recognize that there is an > Apple OS CD in the drive. My understanding is that the CD's have a > certain revision number on them and if the revision number is not > compatible with the current firmware, the MDD won't even recognize > that there is an Apple OS CD in the drive. The local Apple store > didn't know this and I spent hundreds of dollars replacing parts that > didn't need to be changed, before we all realized what the problem > was. > > In other words if you get a set of genuine original G4 MDD CD's it > won't load unless somebody else knows something I don't. I have also > found that trying to go down from 10.3 to 10.2 won't solve the > problem, because it seems that once the firmware gets upgraded, it > won't come back down. > However, if you can get a genuine set of Apple G4 MDD OS DVD's , that > might work, but I don't guarantee it. > Cordially, > > Bruce Ryan Nakamura > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From lunatikdesigns at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 12:17:17 2008 From: lunatikdesigns at gmail.com (lunatikdesigns) Date: Sun Mar 2 12:17:27 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: <47CA8D15.9080601@lava.net> Message-ID: I?ve got an old Quicksilver 933mhz that I love but it?s just getting a bit too slow to keep up with everything I?m doing on it. Was trying to decide whether I want to move up a bit (can?t afford a G5 so don?t go there ) and try a speedier version ? maybe a MDD that?s dual, 1.25 mgz or something like that. Then I got to wondering if I can just replace parts on this one and upgrade it? Never tried that on a mac ? I?ve only returned to the mac after about 6 years of windoz horror Can anyone give me an idea of how easy it would be to replace processor and whatever else would be needed? Thanks Cyndi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080302/7e3f300e/attachment.html From jimash at optonline.net Sun Mar 2 12:41:09 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Sun Mar 2 12:41:50 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CE75A33-8FF9-4A11-BD58-6DA05D664502@optonline.net> Find everything you need at otherworldcomputing.com Replacing the processor is easy. So is the display card. second hard drive EAsy. On Mar 2, 2008, at 3:17 PM, lunatikdesigns wrote: > I?ve got an old Quicksilver 933mhz that I love but it?s just getting > a bit too slow to keep up with everything I?m doing on it. Was > trying to decide whether I want to move up a bit (can?t afford a G5 > so don?t go there ) and try a speedier version ? maybe a MDD > that?s dual, 1.25 mgz or something like that. Then I got to > wondering if I can just replace parts on this one and upgrade it? > Never tried that on a mac ? I?ve only returned to the mac after > about 6 years of windoz horror > > Can anyone give me an idea of how easy it would be to replace > processor and whatever else would be needed? Thanks > > Cyndi > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080302/b3dec0b8/attachment.html From shannon at nuge.com Sun Mar 2 13:22:07 2008 From: shannon at nuge.com (Shannon Nugent) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:22:30 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 speed increase In-Reply-To: <99e9d7010803021225i636caaf5y2d45569c0c4cb938@mail.gmail.com> References: <99e9d7010803021225i636caaf5y2d45569c0c4cb938@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is the machine running too slow for ya? What kind of work do you do on it? Those macs are not very fast. I'd say get a faster processor card. That or just maybe sell that one on Ebay and get a newer faster one. I found this website that sells used macs. I've never used them before so I'm not sure how reputable they are. On Mar 2, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Tony Breen wrote: > Hi, > > I am new to MAC and have recently purchased a Gigabit dual 500mhz > CPU with 2GB RAM, an ATI Radeon 9200 PCI card and running OS > 10.4.11. How do I make this machine go faster? I do not want to > spend the money on a G5 but do I have any other alternative? > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From richspk at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 13:32:05 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:32:17 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: <1CE75A33-8FF9-4A11-BD58-6DA05D664502@optonline.net> References: <1CE75A33-8FF9-4A11-BD58-6DA05D664502@optonline.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30803021332t6f600365kba5c06499a286957@mail.gmail.com> On the other hand, you can get a used MDD for about the same price as a processor upgrade, and you'll get faster memory in addition to a faster processor. I've been looking at MDDs on eBay all weekend... :-) -- Rich On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:41 PM, James Asherman wrote: > Find everything you need at otherworldcomputing.com > Replacing the processor is easy. > So is the display card. > second hard drive EAsy. From lunatikdesigns at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 13:35:52 2008 From: lunatikdesigns at gmail.com (lunatikdesigns) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:36:01 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: <1CE75A33-8FF9-4A11-BD58-6DA05D664502@optonline.net> Message-ID: I?ll have to take your word for it that it?s easy to replace the processor ? looks like it just kind of unsnaps but havne?t tried to actually remove it So a new processor will work with the old motherboard then? And thanks for the link ? checked it out and it has great stuff. Now ? about that motherboard ? since it only allows the 133?s for memory ? should that be upgraded also? Or just leave it and max out the memory on it? Thanks for your help Cyndi On 3/2/08 12:41 PM, "James Asherman" wrote: > Find everything you need at otherworldcomputing.com > Replacing the processor is easy. > So is the display card. > second hard drive EAsy. > > > On Mar 2, 2008, at 3:17 PM, lunatikdesigns wrote: > >> I?ve got an old Quicksilver 933mhz that I love but it?s just getting a bit >> too slow to keep up with everything I?m doing on it. Was trying to decide >> whether I want to move up a bit (can?t afford a G5 so don?t go there ) and >> try a speedier version ? maybe a MDD that?s dual, 1.25 mgz or something like >> that. Then I got to wondering if I can just replace parts on this one and >> upgrade it? Never tried that on a mac ? I?ve only returned to the mac after >> about 6 years of windoz horror >> >> Can anyone give me an idea of how easy it would be to replace processor and >> whatever else would be needed? Thanks >> >> Cyndi >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080302/c2a2eac6/attachment.html From lunatikdesigns at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 13:39:28 2008 From: lunatikdesigns at gmail.com (lunatikdesigns) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:39:51 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30803021332t6f600365kba5c06499a286957@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I?ve been watching the auctions on the MDD?s too the last few days and I was curious as to whether that might be a better option ? the memory in this is the old 133?s so faster memory sounds good too ? shoot, maybe I just need to jump up a level.....sigh. This one has been so reliable tho ? almost hate to let it go Cyndi On 3/2/08 1:32 PM, "Chaim The Squirrel Keeper" wrote: > On the other hand, you can get a used MDD for about the same price as > a processor upgrade, and you'll get faster memory in addition to a > faster processor. I've been looking at MDDs on eBay all weekend... > :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080302/dedf3d01/attachment-0001.html From richspk at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 13:40:30 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:40:46 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: References: <1CE75A33-8FF9-4A11-BD58-6DA05D664502@optonline.net> Message-ID: <69ce86c30803021340m29be56cem14c7d06e11be806e@mail.gmail.com> It's pretty easy to replace the processor. What kind of memory is on your motherboard now? If you're going to stick with the Quicksilver, then I'd max out the memory (in fact, that's just what I've done, and I'm on a 933MHz Quicksilver, too). -- Rich On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:35 PM, lunatikdesigns wrote: > > I'll have to take your word for it that it's easy to replace the processor > ? looks like it just kind of unsnaps but havne't tried to actually remove it > So a new processor will work with the old motherboard then? And thanks > for the link ? checked it out and it has great stuff. > > Now ? about that motherboard ? since it only allows the 133's for memory ? > should that be upgraded also? Or just leave it and max out the memory on > it? From lunatikdesigns at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 13:50:00 2008 From: lunatikdesigns at gmail.com (lunatikdesigns) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:50:09 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30803021340m29be56cem14c7d06e11be806e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh really? So you have a 933 too? Seems to be a really stable one ? don?t know if they are all that good. I only have 1 mb at the moment ? was thinking about maxing it. I think that $$ the almighty dollar is going to be the deciding factor on this all ? which is the most economical for me and still gives me more ?power?. I run dreamweaver and photoshop and it just doesn?t seem to have enough oomph to run them and my mail program and browser ? it drags a bit. Cyndi On 3/2/08 1:40 PM, "Chaim The Squirrel Keeper" wrote: > It's pretty easy to replace the processor. What kind of memory is on > your motherboard now? If you're going to stick with the Quicksilver, > then I'd max out the memory (in fact, that's just what I've done, and > I'm on a 933MHz Quicksilver, too). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080302/2d0f2614/attachment.html From jimash at optonline.net Sun Mar 2 13:56:43 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Sun Mar 2 13:56:57 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mar 2, 2008, at 4:35 PM, lunatikdesigns wrote: > Now ? about that motherboard ? since it only allows the 133?s for > memory ? should that be upgraded also? Or just leave it and max out > the memory on it? If you change the motherboard it will be a completely different machine, and the holes will be in the wrong places. Plus it's expensive . I have an upgraded 867. IF it was cheap and you like the look of that box (I do) You can get a CPU max out the mem and have at it. I have the 867 at 1.2 w/ an ATI 9000 (No big deal) and three 80 gig drives and a Pioneer DVD 109. It works good. Only 1.2 gig mem tho' that's a problem. You'll have to add it all up and judge, whether you want to spif it all the way. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080302/e874258e/attachment.html From lunatikdesigns at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 14:13:19 2008 From: lunatikdesigns at gmail.com (lunatikdesigns) Date: Sun Mar 2 14:13:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You guys are a great help ? thanks so much for all the info ? now it sounds like I just need to make up my mind what I want About the motherboard ? that?s kind of what I thought so didn?t sound like a good option for me at this point..... Cyndi On 3/2/08 1:56 PM, "James Asherman" wrote: > > On Mar 2, 2008, at 4:35 PM, lunatikdesigns wrote: > >> Now ? about that motherboard ? since it only allows the 133?s for memory ? >> should that be upgraded also? Or just leave it and max out the memory on it? > > If you change the motherboard it will be a completely different machine, and > the holes will be in the wrong places. Plus it's expensive . > I have an upgraded 867. IF it was cheap and you like the look of that box (I > do) You can get a CPU max out the mem and have at it. > I have the 867 at 1.2 w/ an ATI 9000 (No big deal) and three 80 gig drives and > a Pioneer DVD 109. It works good. Only 1.2 gig mem tho' that's a problem. > You'll have to add it all up and judge, whether you want to spif it all the > way. > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080302/2c68fd54/attachment.html From lunatikdesigns at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 14:17:30 2008 From: lunatikdesigns at gmail.com (lunatikdesigns) Date: Sun Mar 2 14:17:38 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: <1CE75A33-8FF9-4A11-BD58-6DA05D664502@optonline.net> Message-ID: Will a mdd processor 1ghz dual fit on my 933? There?s one on ebay I?ve been looking at..... cyndi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080302/76a456e0/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 17:21:24 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Sun Mar 2 17:21:31 2008 Subject: [G4] Question about upgrading a 933 quicksilver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <666570.41192.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Your QS did also come with a dual 1GHz. I think you will find that a dual proccessor is a BIG advantage when running OSX. IF you could find one of the original Dual 1GHz, then that would be a good move, and should be guaranteed bug free. I am not a photoshop person but I think having a small fast scratch disk is a good thing. I like SCSI disks (I work audio/midi for fun). Now everybody thinks 250Gb is a minimum, so second-hand SCSI disks/adapters can be cheap. John --- lunatikdesigns wrote: > Will a mdd processor 1ghz dual fit on my 933? > There?s one on ebay I?ve been > looking at..... > > cyndi > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From anthobreen at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 18:01:52 2008 From: anthobreen at gmail.com (Tony Breen) Date: Sun Mar 2 18:02:29 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 speed increase In-Reply-To: References: <99e9d7010803021225i636caaf5y2d45569c0c4cb938@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <99e9d7010803021801x1ac2b2c2xe9cea3ca10427477@mail.gmail.com> I am looking at working on some photos, the files would be between 22 and 30 megs each. Currently it is painfully slow and takes 20 seconds or so just to open a file. I do not mind doing a processor upgrade but would that give me a reasonable speed increase? On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Shannon Nugent wrote: > Is the machine running too slow for ya? > What kind of work do you do on it? > > Those macs are not very fast. I'd say get a faster processor card. > > That or just maybe sell that one on Ebay and get a newer faster one. > > I found this website that sells used macs. I've never used them > before so I'm not sure how reputable they are. > > > On Mar 2, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Tony Breen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am new to MAC and have recently purchased a Gigabit dual 500mhz > > CPU with 2GB RAM, an ATI Radeon 9200 PCI card and running OS > > 10.4.11. How do I make this machine go faster? I do not want to > > spend the money on a G5 but do I have any other alternative? > > > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is it probably the processor that is dead then if the light on the motherboard lights up or does that mean anything? Help help help Cyndi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080302/419484d5/attachment.html From gifutiger at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 18:50:55 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sun Mar 2 18:51:08 2008 Subject: [G4] Happy chance buy of 1 ghz dual G4!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A6F27D1-E2B2-44C3-A207-9006FBE99FD0@gmail.com> Move the processor from your other platform and see if the new one will start! ---------------------------------------------------- On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:42 PM, lunatikdesigns wrote: > Okay ? here I was talking about upgrading and I ran across a non- > funtioning G4 quick silver that says it has a 1 ghz dual processor ? > BUT!! It doesn?t work! Okay ? what I can see when I power it up is > that the fan works ? power source is probably okay then, right? And > the motherboard does light up ..... But it doesn?t work ? it came > with no memory or hard drive or OS, so I swapped out my HD and > memory and tried to get it to start up with no luck ? oh, changed > the pram - new battery ? what else can I check? Suggestions? Is it > probably the processor that is dead then if the light on the > motherboard lights up or does that mean anything? Help help help > > Cyndi > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080302/17c85e1e/attachment.html From fusekigames at briandeuel.com Sun Mar 2 18:58:06 2008 From: fusekigames at briandeuel.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Sun Mar 2 18:58:15 2008 Subject: [G4] Happy chance buy of 1 ghz dual G4!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1204513086.23031.1240170169@webmail.messagingengine.com> This is exactly what happened to my dual 1.25ghz MDD when the processor card fried. Your motherboard is probably still good, but I'd be willing to bet that if you remove the heat sink and processor card, either one or both of your processors will be a little charred. (Or not. Processor failures don't necessarily have to be that catastrophic). Brian On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:42:59 -0800, "lunatikdesigns" said: > Okay ? here I was talking about upgrading and I ran across a > non-funtioning > G4 quick silver that says it has a 1 ghz dual processor ? BUT!! It > doesn?t > work! Okay ? what I can see when I power it up is that the fan works ? > power source is probably okay then, right? And the motherboard does > light > up ..... But it doesn?t work ? it came with no memory or hard drive or > OS, > so I swapped out my HD and memory and tried to get it to start up with no > luck ? oh, changed the pram - new battery ? what else can I check? > Suggestions? Is it probably the processor that is dead then if the light > on > the motherboard lights up or does that mean anything? Help help help > > Cyndi ---- Brian Deuel BrianDeuelDotCom http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1 gig RAM Geforce 6200 256meg Video Mac OS X 10.4.11 Powerbook G3 Wallstreet 266mhz processor 512meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto From lunatikdesigns at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 19:06:09 2008 From: lunatikdesigns at gmail.com (lunatikdesigns) Date: Sun Mar 2 19:06:20 2008 Subject: [G4] Happy chance buy of 1 ghz dual G4!! In-Reply-To: <6A6F27D1-E2B2-44C3-A207-9006FBE99FD0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, duh ? I should have thought of that!! I will try it ? later tonite after I?m doing playing with this one ? otherwise I won?t have a computer to play with!! Thanks! On 3/2/08 6:50 PM, "Harry Freeman" wrote: > Move the processor from your other platform and see if the new one will start! > ---------------------------------------------------- > On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:42 PM, lunatikdesigns wrote: > >> Okay ? here I was talking about upgrading and I ran across a non-funtioning >> G4 quick silver that says it has a 1 ghz dual processor ? BUT!! It doesn?t >> work! Okay ? what I can see when I power it up is that the fan works ? power >> source is probably okay then, right? And the motherboard does light up >> ..... But it doesn?t work ? it came with no memory or hard drive or OS, so I >> swapped out my HD and memory and tried to get it to start up with no luck ? >> oh, changed the pram - new battery ? what else can I check? Suggestions? Is >> it probably the processor that is dead then if the light on the motherboard >> lights up or does that mean anything? Help help help >> >> Cyndi >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Processor failures don't necessarily have to be that > catastrophic). > > Brian > > > > On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:42:59 -0800, "lunatikdesigns" > said: >> > Okay ? here I was talking about upgrading and I ran across a >> > non-funtioning >> > G4 quick silver that says it has a 1 ghz dual processor ? BUT!! It >> > doesn?t >> > work! Okay ? what I can see when I power it up is that the fan works ? >> > power source is probably okay then, right? And the motherboard does >> > light >> > up ..... But it doesn?t work ? it came with no memory or hard drive or >> > OS, >> > so I swapped out my HD and memory and tried to get it to start up with no >> > luck ? oh, changed the pram - new battery ? what else can I check? >> > Suggestions? Is it probably the processor that is dead then if the light >> > on >> > the motherboard lights up or does that mean anything? Help help help >> > >> > Cyndi > > ---- > Brian Deuel > BrianDeuelDotCom > http://www.briandeuel.com > > Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" > 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor > 1 gig RAM > Geforce 6200 256meg Video > Mac OS X 10.4.11 > > Powerbook G3 Wallstreet > 266mhz processor > 512meg RAM > Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In other words, both of my MDD's cannot load from the original genuine Apple MDD CD's that came packaged with one of my MDDs. I think the firmware gets modified. When I put the original Apple MDD CD into the DVD drive, my MDDs don't even recognize that there is an Apple OS CD in the drive. My understanding is that the CD's have a certain revision number on them and if the revision number is not compatible with the current firmware, the MDD won't even recognize that there is an Apple OS CD in the drive. The local Apple store didn't know this and I spent hundreds of dollars replacing parts that didn't need to be changed, before we all realized what the problem was. In other words if you get a set of genuine original G4 MDD CD's it won't load unless somebody else knows something I don't. I have also found that trying to go down from 10.3 to 10.2 won't solve the problem, because it seems that once the firmware gets upgraded, it won't come back down. However, if you can get a genuine set of Apple G4 MDD OS DVD's , that might work, but I don't guarantee it. Cordially, Hello, all... As I recall from a recent thread about installing OS9, the only way to go back to a previous OS, is to wipe the drive clean. My experience with installing OS9 is that I was able to install it OK on my Digital Audio with Panther, but was unable to install it on my MDD, 1.25Mhz that had Tiger. So to sum up, you do not need the original disks to install OS9. You just need the correct version of OS9 for the machine. 9.1 did not work for me. I had to find a 9.2 version of OS9 on ebay. From galilao at lava.net Mon Mar 3 00:12:08 2008 From: galilao at lava.net (Bruce Ryan Nakamura) Date: Mon Mar 3 00:11:36 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <014801c87cf4$160b1a70$6601a8c0@GX280> References: <014801c87cf4$160b1a70$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: <47CBB2D8.5070408@lava.net> Kathi Anderson wrote: > >> I recently acquired a G4 Mirror Door Drive 1.25 GHz DP tower (the >> FireWire 400 model), without the original system disks. I still use OS >> 9 (the real one, not Classic), and as I'm sure you all know, I cannot >> get OS 9 onto this machine without the original disks. So if someone >> has a set of these disks that they no longer need, I would be happy to >> purchase these from you. >> >> > What OSX is loaded on this MDD? I also have a pair of G4 MDD Firewire > 400 Macs with 10.3 on them. So far as I can tell, once a MDD has 10.3 > or higher on it, it loses the ability to read the genuine Apple MDD OS > CD's. In other words, both of my MDD's cannot load from the original > genuine Apple MDD CD's that came packaged with one of my MDDs. I think > the firmware gets modified. When I put the original Apple MDD CD into > the DVD drive, my MDDs don't even recognize that there is an Apple OS CD > in the drive. My understanding is that the CD's have a certain revision > number on them and if the revision number is not compatible with the > current firmware, the MDD won't even recognize that there is an Apple OS > CD in the drive. The local Apple store didn't know this and I spent > hundreds of dollars replacing parts that didn't need to be changed, > before we all realized what the problem was. > > In other words if you get a set of genuine original G4 MDD CD's it won't > load unless somebody else knows something I don't. I have also found > that trying to go down from 10.3 to 10.2 won't solve the problem, > because it seems that once the firmware gets upgraded, it won't come > back down. > > However, if you can get a genuine set of Apple G4 MDD OS DVD's , that > might work, but I don't guarantee it. > > Cordially, > > Hello, all... > As I recall from a recent thread about installing OS9, the only way to go > back to a previous OS, is to wipe the drive clean. My experience with > installing OS9 is that I was able to install it OK on my Digital Audio with > Panther, but was unable to install it on my MDD, 1.25Mhz that had Tiger. > So to sum up, you do not need the original disks to install OS9. You just > need the correct version of OS9 for the machine. 9.1 did not work for me. I > had to find a 9.2 version of OS9 on ebay. > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > Hello Kathy, I tried wiping the drive clean on my MDD, but it still wouldn't see that a Mac OS X MDD CD was in the drive. If I recall correctly when I put a non OS X CD in the drive, the CD image would mount on the desktop. The same MDD did see my Mac OS X MDD DVD in the drive and that is how I loaded native OS 9 and X on my MDD. What version of 9.2 did you find on Ebay? Cordially, Bruce Ryan Nakamura From ppd at spin.net.au Mon Mar 3 02:20:21 2008 From: ppd at spin.net.au (Paul) Date: Mon Mar 3 02:22:31 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <014801c87cf4$160b1a70$6601a8c0@GX280> References: <014801c87cf4$160b1a70$6601a8c0@GX280> Message-ID: <5e81e54c2e2fceb6b6af68adc61a001e@spin.net.au> Kathi, thanks for your post. This raises an interesting question - I have actually tried system CD?s from the following computers in my MDD, all without luck : Power Mac G4 Quicksilver -Mac OS 9.2.2 PowerBook G4 Titanium 800 Mhz -Mac OS 9.2.2 iBook (I don?t know which model) -Mac OS 9.2.2 None of these work. It?s obvious that at this point in time Apple was trying to make it very difficult to use OS 9, and wanted users to switch to X. So when you say that all that is needed is the correct version of 9.2.2 for the computer, I would have thought that the best way of finding the correct version would be to track down the original machine CD's. Of course, if Apple had released a retail version of 9.2.2, well................ > Hello, all... > As I recall from a recent thread about installing OS9, the only way to > go > back to a previous OS, is to wipe the drive clean. My experience with > installing OS9 is that I was able to install it OK on my Digital Audio > with > Panther, but was unable to install it on my MDD, 1.25Mhz that had > Tiger. > So to sum up, you do not need the original disks to install OS9. You > just > need the correct version of OS9 for the machine. 9.1 did not work for > me. I > had to find a 9.2 version of OS9 on ebay. From alpoulin at cox.net Mon Mar 3 14:53:13 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Mon Mar 3 14:53:59 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <5e81e54c2e2fceb6b6af68adc61a001e@spin.net.au> References: <014801c87cf4$160b1a70$6601a8c0@GX280> <5e81e54c2e2fceb6b6af68adc61a001e@spin.net.au> Message-ID: <009e89d8ca7b897c43a4f1a5c5d302c5@cox.net> It may help to review the lowendmac discussion about this machine. http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/mdd-power-mac-g4-dual.html If I follow this thread correctly, you already installed OS X 10.2 on your MDD. Did you check the box for installing OS 9 Disk Drivers? And you have the Firmware Update 4.4.8. That is fine, but not required for the machine to run with either OS. It is generally best to install OS 9 before installing OS X. That is to ensure that the OS 9 Disk Drivers are installed. If you install OS X first, there is a check box in the Disk Utility Partition window where you can install the OS 9 Disk Drivers. That will prepare the machine for installing and running OS 9.2.x . OS installers that came with a specific model are designed by Apple to work only with that model. You need either the OS 9.2 installer designed for your MDD or a retail version of 9.2.x. With your retail version of OS 10.2, I believe you already have the OS 9 installer, usually on the second disk of the set. Other things to think about -- with a Google search on "OS 9.2 retail," you can find OS 9.2.1 available. Also, a Google search on "OS 9.2.2 for MDD" gets you more info. Others have been there before you. The normal path to the 9.2.2 Update is via the free Apple download, but you can find it in disk images or other non-Apple CDs. Good luck! Let us know how you make out. Al Poulin On Mar 3, 2008, at 5:20 AM, Paul wrote: > Kathi, > > thanks for your post. This raises an interesting question - I have > actually tried system CD?s from the following computers in my MDD, all > without luck : > > Power Mac G4 Quicksilver -Mac OS 9.2.2 > PowerBook G4 Titanium 800 Mhz -Mac OS 9.2.2 > iBook (I don?t know which model) -Mac OS 9.2.2 > > None of these work. It?s obvious that at this point in time Apple was > trying to make it very difficult to use OS 9, and wanted users to > switch to X. So when you say that all that is needed is the correct > version of 9.2.2 for the computer, I would have thought that the best > way of finding the correct version would be to track down the original > machine CD's. Of course, if Apple had released a retail version of > 9.2.2, well................ > > >> Hello, all... >> As I recall from a recent thread about installing OS9, the only way >> to go >> back to a previous OS, is to wipe the drive clean. My experience with >> installing OS9 is that I was able to install it OK on my Digital >> Audio with >> Panther, but was unable to install it on my MDD, 1.25Mhz that had >> Tiger. >> So to sum up, you do not need the original disks to install OS9. You >> just >> need the correct version of OS9 for the machine. 9.1 did not work for >> me. I >> had to find a 9.2 version of OS9 on ebay. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From ppd at spin.net.au Mon Mar 3 16:18:44 2008 From: ppd at spin.net.au (Paul) Date: Mon Mar 3 16:20:56 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <009e89d8ca7b897c43a4f1a5c5d302c5@cox.net> References: <014801c87cf4$160b1a70$6601a8c0@GX280> <5e81e54c2e2fceb6b6af68adc61a001e@spin.net.au> <009e89d8ca7b897c43a4f1a5c5d302c5@cox.net> Message-ID: <2e3ede95df301166815a9a6679d0e95a@spin.net.au> Al. Many thanks for your contribution to solving my little dilemma. I am a big fan of lowendmac - I recall reading that info a while ago, and most of it is now forgotten. I?ll have to go back and re read it. Thanks for the link. Yes, I do have OS X 10.2 installed, and yes I did check the box to install OS 9 drivers on the drive - the drive is 120 GB, partitioned into 4 equal volumes. I have two sets of completely original retail 10.2 disks - one is just straight 10.2, the other is 10.2.3 - I have checked all these disks, and there is no installer for OS 9. I also have a retail version of OS 9.2.1 - I have tried this, but whilst the computer allows me to boot off this CD, once booted it does not see the drive or any of the volumes. This isn?t the case with (for example) the original CD for the PowerBook G4 800 Mhz (Mac OS 9.2.2), which allows me to boot and it sees all 4 volumes, but won?t allow me to install. Still waiting, still hoping............ thanks Paul On 04/03/2008, at 9:53 AM, Al Poulin wrote: > It may help to review the lowendmac discussion about this machine. > http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/mdd-power-mac-g4-dual.html > > If I follow this thread correctly, you already installed OS X 10.2 on > your MDD. Did you check the box for installing OS 9 Disk Drivers? > And you have the Firmware Update 4.4.8. That is fine, but not > required for the machine to run with either OS. > > It is generally best to install OS 9 before installing OS X. That is > to ensure that the OS 9 Disk Drivers are installed. If you install OS > X first, there is a check box in the Disk Utility Partition window > where you can install the OS 9 Disk Drivers. That will prepare the > machine for installing and running OS 9.2.x . > > OS installers that came with a specific model are designed by Apple to > work only with that model. You need either the OS 9.2 installer > designed for your MDD or a retail version of 9.2.x. With your retail > version of OS 10.2, I believe you already have the OS 9 installer, > usually on the second disk of the set. > > Other things to think about -- with a Google search on "OS 9.2 > retail," you can find OS 9.2.1 available. Also, a Google search on > "OS 9.2.2 for MDD" gets you more info. Others have been there before > you. The normal path to the 9.2.2 Update is via the free Apple > download, but you can find it in disk images or other non-Apple CDs. > > Good luck! Let us know how you make out. > > Al Poulin From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon Mar 3 17:05:51 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon Mar 3 17:06:02 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <2e3ede95df301166815a9a6679d0e95a@spin.net.au> References: <014801c87cf4$160b1a70$6601a8c0@GX280> <5e81e54c2e2fceb6b6af68adc61a001e@spin.net.au> <009e89d8ca7b897c43a4f1a5c5d302c5@cox.net> <2e3ede95df301166815a9a6679d0e95a@spin.net.au> Message-ID: <7E88B99E-FE92-418D-ADC8-5476CF46C83B@mac.com> On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Paul wrote: > I also have a retail version of OS 9.2.1 - I have tried this, but > whilst the computer allows me to boot off this CD, once booted it > does not see the drive or any of the volumes. This isn?t the case > with (for example) the original CD for the PowerBook G4 800 Mhz (Mac > OS 9.2.2), which allows me to boot and it sees all 4 volumes, but > won?t allow me to install. From my personal experience, the situation you describe is what happened when I DID NOT check the box to install OS-9 drivers on a hard drive and then installed OS-X.x first. When I attempted to do a "Clean Install" of OS-9 from a factory install CD v 9.2.1, the machine would not recognize the drive at all. The machine would boot to the OS-9.2.1 CD, but not allow any installation. IMHO, this appears to me to duplicate your main problem. My ultimate solution was to reformat the drive completely and verify that the box was definitely checked to install the OS-9 drivers. Then, I installed the OS-X.x and was able to do a "Clean Install" of OS-9.2.1 without any further problem. Hope this helps. From ppd at spin.net.au Mon Mar 3 17:30:41 2008 From: ppd at spin.net.au (Paul) Date: Mon Mar 3 17:32:46 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <7E88B99E-FE92-418D-ADC8-5476CF46C83B@mac.com> References: <014801c87cf4$160b1a70$6601a8c0@GX280> <5e81e54c2e2fceb6b6af68adc61a001e@spin.net.au> <009e89d8ca7b897c43a4f1a5c5d302c5@cox.net> <2e3ede95df301166815a9a6679d0e95a@spin.net.au> <7E88B99E-FE92-418D-ADC8-5476CF46C83B@mac.com> Message-ID: <73012411af22e6b696f830fefb8b4fe1@spin.net.au> Ronald, thanks for your post / email. I acquired this computer last week - as you can imagine, this means it already had the previous owners stuff on the drive. I certainly did NOT do a full reformat that takes several hours - rather I did one of the quick erases that takes a few seconds and then installed my version 10.2. But I can assure you, I definitely checked the install OS 9 drivers box. I have installed various flavours of 10.2 / 10.3 on that many computers, that it has become second nature to check this box. I will try your solution and see how I go. Although I?m not too thrilled about re formatting a 120GB drive - you might hear from me in 2010. Thanks Paul On 04/03/2008, at 12:05 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Paul wrote: > >> I also have a retail version of OS 9.2.1 - I have tried this, but >> whilst the computer allows me to boot off this CD, once booted it >> does not see the drive or any of the volumes. This isn?t the case >> with (for example) the original CD for the PowerBook G4 800 Mhz (Mac >> OS 9.2.2), which allows me to boot and it sees all 4 volumes, but >> won?t allow me to install. > > From my personal experience, the situation you describe is what > happened when I DID NOT check the box to install OS-9 drivers on a > hard drive and then installed OS-X.x first. When I attempted to do a > "Clean Install" of OS-9 from a factory install CD v 9.2.1, the machine > would not recognize the drive at all. The machine would boot to the > OS-9.2.1 CD, but not allow any installation. > > IMHO, this appears to me to duplicate your main problem. > > My ultimate solution was to reformat the drive completely and verify > that the box was definitely checked to install the OS-9 drivers. Then, > I installed the OS-X.x and was able to do a "Clean Install" of > OS-9.2.1 without any further problem. > > Hope this helps._______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon Mar 3 19:07:51 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon Mar 3 19:07:59 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <73012411af22e6b696f830fefb8b4fe1@spin.net.au> References: <014801c87cf4$160b1a70$6601a8c0@GX280> <5e81e54c2e2fceb6b6af68adc61a001e@spin.net.au> <009e89d8ca7b897c43a4f1a5c5d302c5@cox.net> <2e3ede95df301166815a9a6679d0e95a@spin.net.au> <7E88B99E-FE92-418D-ADC8-5476CF46C83B@mac.com> <73012411af22e6b696f830fefb8b4fe1@spin.net.au> Message-ID: <6D46388E-797D-4578-A35B-741334E043E2@mac.com> On 3 Mar, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Paul wrote: > I will try your solution and see how I go. Although I?m not too > thrilled about re formatting a 120GB drive - you might hear from me > in 2010. I agree that it is a cumbersome chore to go through, but it should get you where you want to be. Good luck. From baltwo at san.rr.com Mon Mar 3 19:55:24 2008 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Mon Mar 3 19:55:37 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <20080304030820.70DD11102C17@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080304030820.70DD11102C17@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 03/03/08, Paul wrote: > > Ronald, > > thanks for your post / email. > > I acquired this computer last week - as you can imagine, this means it > already had the previous owners stuff on the drive. I certainly did NOT > do a full reformat that takes several hours - rather I did one of the > quick erases that takes a few seconds and then installed my version > 10.2. But I can assure you, I definitely checked the install OS 9 > drivers box. I have installed various flavours of 10.2 / 10.3 on that > many computers, that it has become second nature to check this box. > > I will try your solution and see how I go. Although I?m not too > thrilled about re formatting a 120GB drive - you might hear from me in > 2010. Reformatting and repartitioning take about a minute or two IF you don't use any of the available security options which writes zeros and ones to the disk. Additionally, you should be able to get replacement disk through Apple; although, since you're in Aussie land, that might be a bit of a hassle. From roxylee at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 4 05:26:36 2008 From: roxylee at frontiernet.net (Roxylee) Date: Tue Mar 4 05:26:44 2008 Subject: [G4] QS powers down Message-ID: Hi, can anyone shed some light on why this is happening? My G4 QS 2002, running Tiger, has been intermittently shutting down right after the desktop loads, but only when my audio interface (Saffire LE) is plugged in. This is something that has been happening intermittently for a few weeks. Yesterday I was able to start it up and record; today it shut off again. I can't afford to start replacing parts as trial and error. I hope the motherboard isn't being fried every time I start up the G4. Has anyone ever encountered such a problem? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. :-) From alpoulin at cox.net Tue Mar 4 07:50:03 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Tue Mar 4 07:50:19 2008 Subject: [G4] Wanted - MDD FW 400 system install disks In-Reply-To: <2e3ede95df301166815a9a6679d0e95a@spin.net.au> References: <014801c87cf4$160b1a70$6601a8c0@GX280> <5e81e54c2e2fceb6b6af68adc61a001e@spin.net.au> <009e89d8ca7b897c43a4f1a5c5d302c5@cox.net> <2e3ede95df301166815a9a6679d0e95a@spin.net.au> Message-ID: Paul: See comments interleaved below. On Mar 3, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Paul wrote: > > Yes, I do have OS X 10.2 installed, and yes I did check the box to > install OS 9 drivers on the drive - the drive is 120 GB, partitioned > into 4 equal volumes. I was assuming a brand new volume/partition via Erase and Install for the OS 9 Driver check box to work. That was the way I've done it. > > I have two sets of completely original retail 10.2 disks - one is just > straight 10.2, the other is 10.2.3 - I have checked all these disks, > and there is no installer for OS 9. Sorry, it turns out that the OS 9 would be on the "Restore" set of CDs that came with the machine. This may help from a Google search for "OS 9 on OS X Install disks": http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106294 Hopefully, any Restore set for the MDDs of your vintage would work. Al Poulin From roxylee at frontiernet.net Tue Mar 4 08:20:36 2008 From: roxylee at frontiernet.net (Roxylee) Date: Tue Mar 4 08:20:50 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 correction Message-ID: <21FCD466-A07B-46D2-B643-0DDFD4DE6F6E@frontiernet.net> Re: The problem with my G4 QS shutting down with the LE plugged in: It shuts down a few seconds after the Gray Apple logo comes up. I tried it twice just now, same deal. From gifutiger at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 08:31:36 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue Mar 4 08:31:59 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 correction In-Reply-To: <21FCD466-A07B-46D2-B643-0DDFD4DE6F6E@frontiernet.net> References: <21FCD466-A07B-46D2-B643-0DDFD4DE6F6E@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <55FBA0FB-0B78-490A-AB7F-D89572180482@gmail.com> Greetings Roxylee ( + )!( + ) I would recommend that first you do a PRAM reset. This is done by holding down the following four (4) keys during start-up CMD, Option, P, R You should hold down these three key until you have heard the start-up "Gong" at least three(3) time. Then after the third gong switch over to the following four (4) keys; CMD-Option-O-F which will give you access to "Open Firmware" When the open firmware screen appears enter the following commands; reset-pram (return) set-defaults (return) reset-all (return) After you enter the reset-all command the platform should reboot and maybe you will get a good start-up. On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:20 AM, Roxylee wrote: > Re: The problem with my G4 QS shutting down with the LE plugged in: > It shuts down a few seconds after the Gray Apple logo comes up. I > tried it twice just now, same deal. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From richspk at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 08:39:18 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Tue Mar 4 08:39:45 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 correction In-Reply-To: <21FCD466-A07B-46D2-B643-0DDFD4DE6F6E@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <005b01c87e16$509e96d0$37d816ac@cytyc.com> Did you say that it only does this when you have some USB device plugged in? I deleted the original message because I didn't think I had any idea what was wrong. If it only happens with that USB device plugged in, then I think your logic board is probably okay. What if you unplug everything else except that one device (and your mouse and keyboard)? Do you have any non-essential PCI cards that you can take out to see if that changes the behavior? Try taking out all but one RAM card, then try moving that RAM to other slots and see if that helps. That should help you find out if you have a bad card or a bad slot. -- Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Roxylee > > Re: The problem with my G4 QS shutting down with the LE plugged in: > It shuts down a few seconds after the Gray Apple logo comes > up. I tried it twice just now, same deal. From briang113 at pacbell.net Tue Mar 4 10:00:52 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Tue Mar 4 10:01:28 2008 Subject: [G4] QS powers down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <838CC9C2-9DD4-4E06-9E4E-7CB5C1DBADB4@pacbell.net> I found this on a discussion board it might help. It sounds like it is not a hardware but a software issue. I would contact Focusrite directly. BG The Saffire Inputs and outputs will e listed in Audio MIDI setup with no input/output controls this is because Saffire LE control allows you to set these settings. It has been brought to our attention recently that there is a bug in OSX Leopard that will cause kernel panics if a firewire audio interface is switched on/connected, after a certain amount of memory has been allocated, or if the sample rate of an already active interface is changed when the same amount of memory has been allocated, this kernel panic will also occur. This issue has been reported to Apple and will hopefully be addressed in a future update to OSX. It sounds like this may be what is causing the problems you are experiencing in Logic. If you connect the Saffire LE just after you have booted the Mac (with no other applications open) then make sure that the sample rate of the Saffire is set to the same in logic, to avoid any sample rate changes. If you reboot the Mac, then try playing back audio from an application such as iTunes can you get playback from the Saffire? Best regards, Mick Gilbert Focusrite Brian G4 gigE 1.0 GHz Powerlogix, 1 GB RAM On Mar 4, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Roxylee wrote: > Saffire LE From slugg0 at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 4 11:29:35 2008 From: slugg0 at embarqmail.com (Doug Burton) Date: Tue Mar 4 16:29:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Digital Audio running Panther Message-ID: <6189B8F6-23F6-4BC8-94BE-3B5483DE9D08@embarqmail.com> I have an odd problem. My file server machine is set up to email me if there is an error while running Chronosync. No problem there, but each time it does it also checks the email on that account which I don't want it to do. I use Mail and only have the single account setup on it for the specific purpose mentioned above. Is there a way to not have Mail receive when it sends? Just a message from Doug... From wilsonjohn at mac.com Tue Mar 4 20:34:23 2008 From: wilsonjohn at mac.com (Wilson John) Date: Tue Mar 4 20:34:35 2008 Subject: [G4] QS powers down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6356F378-FCE8-4526-B2D3-996753190B02@mac.com> Might be the battery. On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:26 AM, Roxylee wrote: > Hi, can anyone shed some light on why this is happening? My G4 QS > 2002, running Tiger, has been intermittently shutting down right > after the desktop loads, but only when my audio interface (Saffire > LE)is plugged in. This is something that has been happening > intermittently for a few weeks. Yesterday I was able to start it up > and record; today it shut off again. I can't afford to start > replacing parts as trial and error. I hope the motherboard isn't > being fried every time I start up the G4. Has anyone ever > encountered such a problem? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you. :-) > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From gifutiger at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 08:21:36 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed Mar 5 08:22:21 2008 Subject: [G4] QS powers down In-Reply-To: <6356F378-FCE8-4526-B2D3-996753190B02@mac.com> References: <6356F378-FCE8-4526-B2D3-996753190B02@mac.com> Message-ID: If it were the battery then the platform clock would keep being set back to default time. ---------------------------------------------------- On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Wilson John wrote: > Might be the battery. > > On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:26 AM, Roxylee wrote: > >> Hi, can anyone shed some light on why this is happening? My G4 QS >> 2002, running Tiger, has been intermittently shutting down right >> after the desktop loads, but only when my audio interface (Saffire >> LE)is plugged in. This is something that has been happening >> intermittently for a few weeks. Yesterday I was able to start it up >> and record; today it shut off again. I can't afford to start >> replacing parts as trial and error. I hope the motherboard isn't >> being fried every time I start up the G4. Has anyone ever >> encountered such a problem? Any advice would be greatly >> appreciated. Thank you. :-) >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From roxylee at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 5 08:43:03 2008 From: roxylee at frontiernet.net (Roxylee) Date: Wed Mar 5 08:44:34 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: G4 power down In-Reply-To: <20080305162237.DE1161159399@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080305162237.DE1161159399@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <15662706-7C8C-4D0A-97E8-57445B6189E7@frontiernet.net> Thank you for all your suggestions. Nothing I tried made a difference, so I contacted the tech, and got this back just now: "It sounds as though your computer is for some reason unable to provide the Saffire LE with the power it requires when it is booting up, and as a result is shutting the computer down. The easiest way to get around this is to purchase a 6-to-4-pin adaptor and a 4-to-6- pin FireWire cable, severing the power connection between your Mac and the Saffire LE. The disadvantage of this is that you will need to use the PSU with your Saffire LE. If you would like to investigate further, it would be worth trying your Saffire LE on another computer (with a 6-pin FireWire port) and seeing if you get the same problem." I tried it with another computer and it was fine, so I'll try the adaptors next. I have no idea what would cause my G4 to suddenly not have enough power for the audio interface. Does anyone know why this could be? Thanks very much for your insights. From senseamp at yahoo.com Fri Mar 7 10:20:36 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Fri Mar 7 10:20:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Firewire audio/midi interface for 12" G4 PowerBook? Message-ID: <156525.63244.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Any recommendations for a firewire audio/midi interface for 12" G4 PowerBook? I'm dragging my midi/audio recording from the 90's into at least the mid 2000's :) Been looking at a MOTU Ultralight, but wondered if anybody had others to recommend. I'm demoing Ableton Live 7 for software. Cheers, John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From jimash at optonline.net Fri Mar 7 11:21:47 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Fri Mar 7 11:22:03 2008 Subject: [G4] Firewire audio/midi interface for 12" G4 PowerBook? In-Reply-To: <156525.63244.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <156525.63244.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C24301D-33C6-4BB6-8F12-28BC0DF4DDFC@optonline.net> John, Presonus Firebox M-Audio firewire 410 RME digiface Jim On Mar 7, 2008, at 1:20 PM, John Niven wrote: > Any recommendations for a firewire audio/midi > interface for 12" G4 PowerBook? > > I'm dragging my midi/audio recording from the 90's > into at least the mid 2000's :) > > Been looking at a MOTU Ultralight, but wondered if > anybody had others to recommend. > > I'm demoing Ableton Live 7 for software. > > Cheers, > John > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From rcbuitron at speakeasy.net Fri Mar 7 15:59:00 2008 From: rcbuitron at speakeasy.net (Robert C. Buitron) Date: Fri Mar 7 15:59:13 2008 Subject: [G4] Leopard troubleshooting Message-ID: <47D1D6C4.1050408@speakeasy.net> I recently upgraded to 10.5.2 from 10.4.11 without a hitch. Everything seemed to be working fine until my computer went into sleep mode. After pressing the spacebar key it did not wake up. I continued to have a blank screen (I also put my monitor to sleep). So I powered down and then powered it up after 10 seconds. I did a search in Apple's Support site but could not find anything on the topic. And I got frustrated with the Leopard support site, as I couldn't get to where I think I could have found information. Has anyone else had a similar experience and what fixes this problem? Could someone please give me a link to Leopard troubleshooting just in case I encounter other problems. On another note, does anyone know if Applejack has been updated to "clean up" Leopard? It's such a fantastic utility. I have a MDD, 1.25 GHz, 400/800 FW. Thanks, Rob From alpoulin at cox.net Fri Mar 7 18:13:37 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Fri Mar 7 18:13:45 2008 Subject: [G4] Leopard troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <47D1D6C4.1050408@speakeasy.net> References: <47D1D6C4.1050408@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <6cbfec0851bfb2f8ce6bf1038eac52e6@cox.net> Rob: See a few comments below. On Mar 7, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Robert C. Buitron wrote: > I recently upgraded to 10.5.2 from 10.4.11 without a hitch. Everything > seemed to be working fine until my computer went into sleep mode. > After pressing the spacebar key it did not wake up. I continued to > have a blank screen (I also put my monitor to sleep). So I powered > down and then powered it up after 10 seconds. This has happened only once? Can you make it happen consistently? > > I did a search in Apple's Support site but could not find anything on > the topic. And I got frustrated with the Leopard support site, as I > couldn't get to where I think I could have found information. > > Has anyone else had a similar experience and what fixes this problem? > Could someone please give me a link to Leopard troubleshooting just in > case I encounter other problems. I have not seen this problem, but in previous versions of OS X, this can happen when certain peripheral devices are plugged in. Try unplugging all devices, especially USB items, except keyboard and mouse. If you isolate a specific device, then look for an updated driver at the vendor's web site. > On another note, does anyone know if Applejack has been updated to > "clean up" Leopard? It's such a fantastic utility. I suggest a google search. Al Poulin From rcbuitron at speakeasy.net Sat Mar 8 16:46:23 2008 From: rcbuitron at speakeasy.net (Robert C. Buitron) Date: Sat Mar 8 16:46:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard troubleshooting Message-ID: <47D3335F.6020507@speakeasy.net> Thanks to Al and Frank for responding so quickly. Leaving the HD set to never sleep is fine, however I did test all the USB devices and found that they are not the problem (at least not directly). Not waking up from sleep mode (perhaps in sleep mode for 30 minutes or more) has occurred regularly; if it's in sleep mode for 5 minutes or so it wakes up). When I tested the sleep mode without any USB devices connected, the machine did not wake up. I also updated some drivers and that did not help. So for now I have the HD set to "never" in the Energy Saver of System Preferences. Thanks, Rob From gifutiger at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 17:43:35 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sat Mar 8 17:43:46 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <47D3335F.6020507@speakeasy.net> References: <47D3335F.6020507@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) Rob, did you read the console log when your platform wouldn't wake from sleep? There should be a clue in the log as to what it was doing either before going to sleep or during the sleep period. ---------------------------------------------------- On Mar 8, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Robert C. Buitron wrote: > Thanks to Al and Frank for responding so quickly. Leaving the HD set > to never sleep is fine, however I did test all the USB devices and > found that they are not the problem (at least not directly). Not > waking up from sleep mode (perhaps in sleep mode for 30 minutes or > more) has occurred regularly; if it's in sleep mode for 5 minutes or > so it wakes up). When I tested the sleep mode without any USB > devices connected, the machine did not wake up. I also updated some > drivers and that did not help. So for now I have the HD set to > "never" in the Energy Saver of System Preferences. > > Thanks, > Rob > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From fsudore at mac.com Sat Mar 8 17:52:59 2008 From: fsudore at mac.com (Frank Sudore) Date: Sat Mar 8 17:50:21 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard troubleshooting In-Reply-To: References: <47D3335F.6020507@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: Harry hit on a great and often overlooked resource. (And I'm an IT manager : ) ) On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Rob, did you read the console log when your platform wouldn't wake > from sleep? > There should be a clue in the log as to what it was doing either > before going to sleep or during the sleep period. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On Mar 8, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Robert C. Buitron wrote: > >> Thanks to Al and Frank for responding so quickly. Leaving the HD >> set to never sleep is fine, however I did test all the USB devices >> and found that they are not the problem (at least not directly). >> Not waking up from sleep mode (perhaps in sleep mode for 30 minutes >> or more) has occurred regularly; if it's in sleep mode for 5 >> minutes or so it wakes up). When I tested the sleep mode without >> any USB devices connected, the machine did not wake up. I also >> updated some drivers and that did not help. So for now I have the >> HD set to "never" in the Energy Saver of System Preferences. >> >> Thanks, >> Rob >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 From rnorthouse at wi.rr.com Sat Mar 8 18:02:57 2008 From: rnorthouse at wi.rr.com (Richard Northouse) Date: Sat Mar 8 18:03:03 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard troubleshooting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080309020253.TSYN13797.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@pc925> Perhaps a stupid question, but how does one read the console log? Rich Harry hit on a great and often overlooked resource. (And I'm an IT manager : ) ) On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greetings ( + )!( + ) > > Rob, did you read the console log when your platform wouldn't wake > from sleep? > There should be a clue in the log as to what it was doing either > before going to sleep or during the sleep period. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On Mar 8, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Robert C. Buitron wrote: > >> Thanks to Al and Frank for responding so quickly. Leaving the HD >> set to never sleep is fine, however I did test all the USB devices >> and found that they are not the problem (at least not directly). >> Not waking up from sleep mode (perhaps in sleep mode for 30 minutes >> or more) has occurred regularly; if it's in sleep mode for 5 >> minutes or so it wakes up). When I tested the sleep mode without >> any USB devices connected, the machine did not wake up. I also >> updated some drivers and that did not help. So for now I have the >> HD set to "never" in the Energy Saver of System Preferences. >> >> Thanks, >> Rob >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Best Regards, Frank Sudore fsudore@mac.com 954-253-1933 _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 10:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: 3/8/2008 10:14 AM From gifutiger at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 20:08:33 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Sat Mar 8 20:08:49 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <20080309020253.TSYN13797.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@pc925> References: <20080309020253.TSYN13797.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@pc925> Message-ID: Greetings ( + )!( + ) You'll find the console log in "Applications/utilities" then all you have to do is click on the application "ICON" and the Console Log will appear. ---------------------------------------------------- On Mar 8, 2008, at 6:02 PM, Richard Northouse wrote: > Perhaps a stupid question, but how does one read the console log? > > Rich > > > > Harry hit on a great and often overlooked resource. (And I'm an IT > manager : ) ) > > On Mar 8, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > >> Greetings ( + )!( + ) >> >> Rob, did you read the console log when your platform wouldn't wake >> from sleep? >> There should be a clue in the log as to what it was doing either >> before going to sleep or during the sleep period. >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> On Mar 8, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Robert C. Buitron wrote: >> >>> Thanks to Al and Frank for responding so quickly. Leaving the HD >>> set to never sleep is fine, however I did test all the USB devices >>> and found that they are not the problem (at least not directly). >>> Not waking up from sleep mode (perhaps in sleep mode for 30 minutes >>> or more) has occurred regularly; if it's in sleep mode for 5 >>> minutes or so it wakes up). When I tested the sleep mode without >>> any USB devices connected, the machine did not wake up. I also >>> updated some drivers and that did not help. So for now I have the >>> HD set to "never" in the Energy Saver of System Preferences. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rob >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > Best Regards, > > Frank Sudore > fsudore@mac.com > 954-253-1933 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: > 3/8/2008 > 10:14 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1319 - Release Date: > 3/8/2008 > 10:14 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From baltwo at san.rr.com Sat Mar 8 21:17:15 2008 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sat Mar 8 21:21:05 2008 Subject: [G4] Leopard troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <20080309040901.AA56112315C0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080309040901.AA56112315C0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 03/08/08, "Robert C. Buitron" wrote: > > I recently upgraded to 10.5.2 from 10.4.11 without a hitch. Everything > seemed to be working fine until my computer went into sleep mode. After > pressing the spacebar key it did not wake up. I continued to have a > blank screen (I also put my monitor to sleep). So I powered down and > then powered it up after 10 seconds. > > I did a search in Apple's Support site but could not find anything on > the topic. And I got frustrated with the Leopard support site, as I > couldn't get to where I think I could have found information. and search for "wake from sleep", "won't wake", etc. > Has anyone else had a similar experience and what fixes this problem? > Could someone please give me a link to Leopard troubleshooting just in > case I encounter other problems. Can't help with the sleep issue, since I never sleep my desktop computers or their HDs, just the display and run 24/7. > On another note, does anyone know if Applejack has been updated to > "clean up" Leopard? It's such a fantastic utility. > > I have a MDD, 1.25 GHz, 400/800 FW. From baltwo at san.rr.com Sat Mar 8 21:19:51 2008 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Sat Mar 8 21:21:19 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <20080309040901.AA56112315C0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080309040901.AA56112315C0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 03/08/08, "Richard Northouse" wrote: > > Perhaps a stupid question, but how does one read the console log? Launch the Console.app in /Applications/Utilities/ and select Console Messages (replaces the Console.log in previous versions). A better one is the system.log. From gal610 at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 09:08:20 2008 From: gal610 at gmail.com (Greg Nembhard) Date: Sun Mar 9 09:08:30 2008 Subject: [G4] Internal vs. External DVD Message-ID: i guys, I'm planning on upgrading my G4 2002 QS 800Mhz 1.2gb Ram 80G CDRW to a superdrive or external DVD burner. I see that I can get an older superdrive for around $50. that's a 8X but speeds have gone up to 20X now. I think the latest and greatest Mac drives are now at 18X but they are fairly expensive. So I'm thinking of keeping my CDRW and just adding an external firewire DVD burner The other idea was to get a External USB drive but the internal Mac USB is only 1.1 which is way too slow. I have a 4 port pci Card with the faster 2.0 but it doesn't work when the Mac goes to sleep mode, and I've been having some problems with having to always reboot the machine to get it to recognize an external Hard Drive that I have attached to it. Sorry for the long windedness... But my questions are as follows: 1. Will an external DVD burner be able to burn Itunes? I heard that there are some problems associated with External drives. 2. Is there a work around with regards to the Pci card and the Mac going to sleep the internal 1.1 just doesn't cut it in today's world 3. Can anyone recommend a good DVD burner external or internal that works with IDVD and ITunes Thanks again guys I'll be looking forward to your responses. Greg G4 2002 QS OS X 10.4.11 800Mhz, 1.2Gb Ram 80 Gb, CDRW 4 Port PCI USB 2.0 From jimash at optonline.net Sun Mar 9 09:12:22 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Sun Mar 9 09:12:28 2008 Subject: [G4] Internal vs. External DVD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B9AEC5A-9A69-483D-A46C-EE6F9C1BC909@optonline.net> 16x DVD burners by pioneer are ridiculously cheap. Internal. I put an ADS USB 2 , PCI CARD IN MY QS. IT WORKS WELL AND SLEEPS NORMALLY. JIM On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Greg Nembhard wrote: > i guys, > I'm planning on upgrading my G4 2002 QS 800Mhz 1.2gb Ram 80G CDRW > to a superdrive or external DVD burner. > > I see that I can get an older superdrive for around $50. that's a 8X > but > speeds have gone up to 20X now. > > I think the latest and greatest Mac drives are now at 18X but they are > fairly expensive. > > So I'm thinking of keeping my CDRW and just adding an external > firewire DVD > burner > The other idea was to get a External USB drive but the internal Mac > USB is > only 1.1 which is way too slow. > I have a 4 port pci Card with the faster 2.0 but it doesn't work > when the > Mac goes to sleep mode, and I've been having some problems with > having to > always reboot the machine to get it to recognize an external Hard > Drive that > I have attached to it. Sorry for the long windedness... > But my questions are as follows: > > 1. Will an external DVD burner be able to burn Itunes? I heard > that there > are some problems associated with External drives. > > 2. Is there a work around with regards to the Pci card and the Mac > going to > sleep the internal 1.1 just doesn't cut it in today's world > > 3. Can anyone recommend a good DVD burner external or internal that > works > with IDVD and ITunes > > Thanks again guys I'll be looking forward to your responses. > > Greg > > G4 2002 QS OS X 10.4.11 > 800Mhz, 1.2Gb Ram > 80 Gb, CDRW > 4 Port PCI USB 2.0 > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From tabdave at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 9 09:44:31 2008 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Sun Mar 9 09:44:46 2008 Subject: [G4] Internal vs. External DVD In-Reply-To: <5B9AEC5A-9A69-483D-A46C-EE6F9C1BC909@optonline.net> References: <5B9AEC5A-9A69-483D-A46C-EE6F9C1BC909@optonline.net> Message-ID: I purchased an internal dual layer DVD burner for my G4 Gigabit ethernet at Fry's Electronics for less than $40. On Mar 9, 2008, at 9:12 AM, James Asherman wrote: > 16x DVD burners by pioneer are ridiculously cheap. Internal. > I put an ADS USB 2 , PCI CARD IN MY QS. IT WORKS WELL AND SLEEPS > NORMALLY. > JIM > On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Greg Nembhard wrote: > >> i guys, >> I'm planning on upgrading my G4 2002 QS 800Mhz 1.2gb Ram 80G CDRW >> to a superdrive or external DVD burner. >> >> I see that I can get an older superdrive for around $50. that's a >> 8X but >> speeds have gone up to 20X now. >> >> I think the latest and greatest Mac drives are now at 18X but they >> are >> fairly expensive. >> >> So I'm thinking of keeping my CDRW and just adding an external >> firewire DVD >> burner >> The other idea was to get a External USB drive but the internal >> Mac USB is >> only 1.1 which is way too slow. >> I have a 4 port pci Card with the faster 2.0 but it doesn't work >> when the >> Mac goes to sleep mode, and I've been having some problems with >> having to >> always reboot the machine to get it to recognize an external Hard >> Drive that >> I have attached to it. Sorry for the long windedness... >> But my questions are as follows: >> >> 1. Will an external DVD burner be able to burn Itunes? I heard >> that there >> are some problems associated with External drives. >> >> 2. Is there a work around with regards to the Pci card and the >> Mac going to >> sleep the internal 1.1 just doesn't cut it in today's world >> >> 3. Can anyone recommend a good DVD burner external or internal >> that works >> with IDVD and ITunes >> >> Thanks again guys I'll be looking forward to your responses. >> >> Greg >> >> G4 2002 QS OS X 10.4.11 >> 800Mhz, 1.2Gb Ram >> 80 Gb, CDRW >> 4 Port PCI USB 2.0 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From mos125 at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 10:51:30 2008 From: mos125 at comcast.net (Thomas Brooks) Date: Mon Mar 10 10:52:18 2008 Subject: [G4] Internal vs. External DVD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Two places to start: Tom Brooks ### On Mar 9, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Greg Nembhard wrote: > i guys, > I'm planning on upgrading my G4 2002 QS 800Mhz 1.2gb Ram 80G CDRW > to a superdrive or external DVD burner. > > I see that I can get an older superdrive for around $50. that's a 8X > but > speeds have gone up to 20X now. > > I think the latest and greatest Mac drives are now at 18X but they are > fairly expensive. > > So I'm thinking of keeping my CDRW and just adding an external > firewire DVD > burner > The other idea was to get a External USB drive but the internal Mac > USB is > only 1.1 which is way too slow. > I have a 4 port pci Card with the faster 2.0 but it doesn't work > when the > Mac goes to sleep mode, and I've been having some problems with > having to > always reboot the machine to get it to recognize an external Hard > Drive that > I have attached to it. Sorry for the long windedness... > But my questions are as follows: > > 1. Will an external DVD burner be able to burn Itunes? I heard > that there > are some problems associated with External drives. > > 2. Is there a work around with regards to the Pci card and the Mac > going to > sleep the internal 1.1 just doesn't cut it in today's world > > 3. Can anyone recommend a good DVD burner external or internal that > works > with IDVD and ITunes > > Thanks again guys I'll be looking forward to your responses. > > Greg > > G4 2002 QS OS X 10.4.11 > 800Mhz, 1.2Gb Ram > 80 Gb, CDRW > 4 Port PCI USB 2.0 > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From rcbuitron at speakeasy.net Tue Mar 11 07:26:47 2008 From: rcbuitron at speakeasy.net (Robert C. Buitron) Date: Tue Mar 11 07:27:18 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard troubleshooting Message-ID: <47D696A7.1060406@speakeasy.net> For those who responded to my query regarding the upgrade to Leopard and HD sleep mode issue - a big thanks. I did look at the Console log and saw that there were problems, however I didn't know how to address those items (much less how to trace them back to the problem based on the log info). John B. mentioned the system.log, but I couldn't find that item (even with a search - probably used wrong name). Again I'm not that savvy about Macs, nonetheless I really appreciate all the input. Anyway, I decided to reinstall using the Archive and Install mode (which was one of 2 options instead of 3) as a result of what I saw in the Console. That solved my sleep mode problem and the console log doesn't indicate error or execute problems. BTW, once I determined the system was functioning correctly I trashed the folder containing the previous system. Thanks again and I think this listserv is fantastic! Rob From gifutiger at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 08:28:05 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Tue Mar 11 08:29:09 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Leopard troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <47D696A7.1060406@speakeasy.net> References: <47D696A7.1060406@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <4A8568D0-6DF7-4AAE-8461-A30EAF7647BC@gmail.com> Robert, after you open the console log file there should be an ICON in the menu bar called "Show Log List" and if you click on that ICON the name will change to "Hide Log List" and will also show you all of the log files. You will be surprised with the information that is available, it is in a way overwhelming. Harry ---------------------------------------------------- On Mar 11, 2008, at 7:26 AM, Robert C. Buitron wrote: > For those who responded to my query regarding the upgrade to Leopard > and HD sleep mode issue - a big thanks. I did look at the Console > log and saw that there were problems, however I didn't know how to > address those items (much less how to trace them back to the problem > based on the log info). John B. mentioned the system.log, but I > couldn't find that item (even with a search - probably used wrong > name). Again I'm not that savvy about Macs, nonetheless I really > appreciate all the input. > > Anyway, I decided to reinstall using the Archive and Install mode > (which was one of 2 options instead of 3) as a result of what I saw > in the Console. That solved my sleep mode problem and the console > log doesn't indicate error or execute problems. BTW, once I > determined the system was functioning correctly I trashed the folder > containing the previous system. > > Thanks again and I think this listserv is fantastic! > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From piddlepot at hotmail.com Tue Mar 11 20:27:20 2008 From: piddlepot at hotmail.com (Karen H) Date: Tue Mar 11 20:27:48 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? Message-ID: Hello. I have a Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet (dual, 450) that is running OS 10.3.9. To my knowledge its firmware has never been updated. In system profiler it indicates Boot ROM Version is 3.3.4f1 Question: 1) I believe this means the firmware is not up to date. True? 2) Since all seems to be running smoothly, do I need to update the firmware to the 4.2.8 version? I'm reading threads indicating I should update firmware, but my hard drive is not partitioned and it appears I need to run the firmware update from an installed version of OS 9.2 (which I do have an install disc for). I'm not sure how to do this since I'm already running 10.3.9 now (i.e.: do i need to wipe the hard drive in order to create a second partition, and start fresh, to get this firmware?). Is it easier than I think and I'm missing something? Is the firmware update beneficial if I'm not experiencing snags? Thanks for any suggestions you have... -Karen _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ From baltwo at san.rr.com Tue Mar 11 21:38:39 2008 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Tue Mar 11 21:38:59 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: <20080312032751.5FCD61316580@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20080312032751.5FCD61316580@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 03/11/08, Karen H wrote: > > Hello. I have a Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet (dual, 450) that is running >OS10.3.9. To my knowledge its firmware has never been updated. In system >profiler it indicates Boot ROM Version is 3.3.4f1 > > Question: > 1) I believe this means the firmware is not up to date. True? > 2) Since all seems to be running smoothly, do I need to update the firmwareto >the 4.2.8 version? > > I'm reading threads indicating I should update firmware, but my hard drive is >not partitioned and it appears I need to run the firmware update from an >installed version of OS 9.2 (which I do have an install disc for). I'm not >sure how to do this since I'm already running 10.3.9 now (i.e.: do i need to >wipe thehard drive in order to create a second partition, and start fresh, to >get this firmware?). > > Is it easier than I think and I'm missing something? Is the firmware update >beneficial if I'm not experiencing snags? The latest for that machine (same as mine) is Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1. Definitely update the firmware. Get an external HD or anempty partition of one of your multiple internal HDs, install OS 9, update to 9.2.2 (), and then boot with that volume and install the firmware. You may be happy with running Panther, but Tiger's significantly better andfaster. If you use one of the available hacks listed below, you can also install Leopard, which is significantly better and faster. I've been running Leopard on mine for over eighteen months (beta-tester). I do have two 128 GB HDsinternally and 1.5 GB RAM. From lunatikdesigns at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 21:46:27 2008 From: lunatikdesigns at gmail.com (lunatikdesigns) Date: Tue Mar 11 21:46:46 2008 Subject: [G4] Can we advertise our G4's for sale? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can we advertise what we have for sale here? Obviously it?s G4 related. Thanks Cyndi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080311/be9f1bf2/attachment.html From richspk at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 21:58:15 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Tue Mar 11 21:58:27 2008 Subject: [G4] Can we advertise our G4's for sale? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69ce86c30803112158g4c22cd2ej5a3c91c8d7eb9778@mail.gmail.com> I don't mind, but this might be a more appropriate place to advertise: http://groups.google.com/group/lemswap -- Rich On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:46 AM, lunatikdesigns wrote: > > Can we advertise what we have for sale here? Obviously it's G4 related. From lunatikdesigns at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 22:18:12 2008 From: lunatikdesigns at gmail.com (lunatikdesigns) Date: Tue Mar 11 22:18:20 2008 Subject: [G4] Can we advertise our G4's for sale? In-Reply-To: <69ce86c30803112158g4c22cd2ej5a3c91c8d7eb9778@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Okay, - I?ll check out the other group too ? but here is a ebay link to one ? then you can check the others out if you want? It?s a 933 in good shape. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120232505850&ssPageN ame=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=002 Cyndi On 3/11/08 9:58 PM, "Chaim The Squirrel Keeper" wrote: > I don't mind, but this might be a more appropriate place to advertise: > http://groups.google.com/group/lemswap -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080311/e3e74a1b/attachment.html From piddlepot at hotmail.com Tue Mar 11 23:51:21 2008 From: piddlepot at hotmail.com (Karen H) Date: Tue Mar 11 23:51:29 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: References: <20080312032751.5FCD61316580@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Thanks John for your speedy reply. I borrowed a hard drive and have successfully updated the firmware to 4.2.8. It might be my imagination, but I think it's running faster. Thanks for your comments, and suggestions on newer OSs... I might have access to a *legal* copy of Tiger install disks once the current user upgrades to Leopard. Would those work on a G4 if they came with an intel 2.4GHz aluminum imac? I'm a little hesistant to try a new OS when I have a 30GB hard drive and 640MB of ram... Thanks again.. -Karen > The latest for that machine (same as mine) is Boot ROM Version: 4.2.8f1. > Definitely update the firmware. Get an external HD or anempty partition of one > of your multiple internal HDs, install OS 9, update to 9.2.2 > (), and then boot with > that volume and install the firmware. > > You may be happy with running Panther, but Tiger's significantly better > andfaster. If you use one of the available hacks listed below, you can also > install Leopard, which is significantly better and faster. I've been running > Leopard on mine for over eighteen months (beta-tester). I do have two 128 GB > HDsinternally and 1.5 GB RAM. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.?You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From skygram at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 12:15:26 2008 From: skygram at gmail.com (Skygram) Date: Wed Mar 12 12:16:02 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Karen. I believe that you will need a retail copy of Tiger. Tiger if it is on a computer's system discs will only work on that specific model. Whereas the retail versions of of any iteration of OS-X will work on any Mac. Lately there are limits to which generation of Mac that Leopard will work with. However I have been reading that there are tweaks to also make it functional on any Mac. Bill > > I might have access to a *legal* copy of Tiger install disks once the current > user upgrades to Leopard. Would those work on a G4 if they came with an intel > 2.4GHz aluminum imac? I'm a little hesistant to try a new OS when I have a > 30GB hard drive and 640MB of ram... > > Thanks again.. > > -Karen From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 14:18:17 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Wed Mar 12 14:16:29 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> Skygram wrote: > Whereas the retail versions of of any iteration of OS-X will work on any > Mac. Lately there are limits to which generation of Mac that Leopard will > work with. However I have been reading that there are tweaks to also make it > functional on any Mac. Well, "any Mac" is going a bit too far. :) Leopard requires an Intel, G5, or better than 867 MHz G4 CPU, plus 512MB or more of RAM. There are workarounds to override the the G4 processor speed requirement but not, as far as I know, the memory size requirement.* Of course trying to run Leopard with less than 512MB of RAM is probably a bad idea anyway. There are some other general requirements - a DVD drive, 9GB or more free disk space. And some Leopard apps require specific HW as well. For example Time Machine, Front Row and DVD Player require a graphics card that supports Core Image. * One way to run Leopard on an under-spec'd system would be to install it on a conforming system and then simply move the disk to another machine. Eric From gifutiger at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 15:24:11 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed Mar 12 15:24:23 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> References: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> Message-ID: <24A68082-E299-43D7-A429-BA5347609A48@gmail.com> HAHAHAHAHAHAHaHaHaHaHaHahahahahahaha Sorry to laugh, however Eric I have a 2000 Mac G4 Sawtooth and Leopard runs just fine. In fact it runs better than Panther did and faster. Best regards, Harry ( + )!( + ) ---------------------------------------------------- On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > Skygram wrote: > >> Whereas the retail versions of of any iteration of OS-X will work >> on any >> Mac. Lately there are limits to which generation of Mac that >> Leopard will >> work with. However I have been reading that there are tweaks to >> also make it >> functional on any Mac. > > Well, "any Mac" is going a bit too far. :) Leopard requires an Intel, > G5, or better than 867 MHz G4 CPU, plus 512MB or more of RAM. There > are > workarounds to override the the G4 processor speed requirement but > not, > as far as I know, the memory size requirement.* Of course trying to > run > Leopard with less than 512MB of RAM is probably a bad idea anyway. > > There are some other general requirements - a DVD drive, 9GB or more > free > disk space. And some Leopard apps require specific HW as well. For > example > Time Machine, Front Row and DVD Player require a graphics card that > supports > Core Image. > > * One way to run Leopard on an under-spec'd system would be to > install it > on a conforming system and then simply move the disk to another > machine. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ronsteinke at mac.com Wed Mar 12 16:14:09 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:14:27 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> References: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5F0B7BFA-A1DD-495D-B252-D39BCE0BDAF0@mac.com> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > * One way to run Leopard on an under-spec'd system would be to > install it > on a conforming system and then simply move the disk to another > machine. There is one thing drastically wrong with this approach. When you do the install on the first machine, the installer puts in portions of the software that are specific to THAT machine. If you move the hard drive with that installed software to another machine, you may not have all the portions that the second machine needs and you may have portions that are only applicable to the first machine. In other words, you take a chance on getting the proper software installed to run the second machine properly. You may win, and you may lose, it's up to chance on that. My recommendation is to use a Firewire connection and start the older machine in Target Mode, do the installation and select the older hard drive as the destination of the installation. I did this with a 633MHz G4 and Leopard runs as well as I can ask it to. YMMV, good luck. From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 16:22:07 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:20:16 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: <24A68082-E299-43D7-A429-BA5347609A48@gmail.com> References: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> <24A68082-E299-43D7-A429-BA5347609A48@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D8659F.6060107@comcast.net> Harry Freeman wrote: > HAHAHAHAHAHAHaHaHaHaHaHahahahahahaha > Sorry to laugh, however Eric I have a 2000 Mac G4 Sawtooth and Leopard > runs just fine. > In fact it runs better than Panther did and faster. I didn't say that it wouldn't *run* just fine, only that there are limitations on *installation*. All reports I have seen of Leopard on even slow G4 CPU CPUs are that performance is as good as Tiger on the same system. (I could be wrong but I don't think Leopard will run at all on a G3.) I also have the same G4 model (upgraded to a 1.0GHz CPU and 1.3MB RAM) and Leopard purrs away on it just as well as Tiger does. Eric From gifutiger at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 16:47:47 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:48:05 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: <47D8659F.6060107@comcast.net> References: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> <24A68082-E299-43D7-A429-BA5347609A48@gmail.com> <47D8659F.6060107@comcast.net> Message-ID: Eric ( + )!( + ) I apologize, however you did say, "Leopard requires an Intel, G5, or better than 867 MHz G4 CPU, plus 512MB or more of RAM", and the part "an Intel, G5" just struck me kind of funny. Again I apologize so don't take it as a slam. Perhaps you meant to say something different. Any way the specs from Apple are: Mac OS X 10.5 requires: ? A Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or Power PC G4 (867 MHz or faster) processor ? 512 MB memory or more ? A DVD drive for installation ? 9 GB of available disk space or more ? Some features require a compatible Internet service provider, fees may apply. ? Some features require Apple's .Mac service; fees apply. So we're in agreement that any G4 is Okay, because there are "Hacks" that allow installation on platforms that run slower than 867 Mhz. Best regards, Harry ---------------------------------------------------- On Mar 12, 2008, at 4:22 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > I didn't say that it wouldn't *run* just fine, only that there are > limitations on *installation*. All reports I have seen of Leopard > on even slow G4 CPU CPUs are that performance is as good as Tiger on > the same system. (I could be wrong but I don't think Leopard will run > at all on a G3.) > > I also have the same G4 model (upgraded to a 1.0GHz CPU and 1.3MB RAM) > and Leopard purrs away on it just as well as Tiger does. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 16:54:57 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:53:26 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: <5F0B7BFA-A1DD-495D-B252-D39BCE0BDAF0@mac.com> References: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> <5F0B7BFA-A1DD-495D-B252-D39BCE0BDAF0@mac.com> Message-ID: <47D86D51.1030702@comcast.net> Ronald Steinke wrote: > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > >> * One way to run Leopard on an under-spec'd system would be to install it >> on a conforming system and then simply move the disk to another machine. > > There is one thing drastically wrong with this approach. > > When you do the install on the first machine, the installer puts in > portions of the software that are specific to THAT machine. If you move > the hard drive with that installed software to another machine, you may > not have all the portions that the second machine needs and you may have > portions that are only applicable to the first machine. > > In other words, you take a chance on getting the proper software > installed to run the second machine properly. You may win, and you may > lose, it's up to chance on that. > > My recommendation is to use a Firewire connection and start the older > machine in Target Mode, do the installation and select the older hard > drive as the destination of the installation. I did this with a 633MHz > G4 and Leopard runs as well as I can ask it to. > > YMMV, good luck. I guess I don't understand how that is any different than installing Leopard on a separate disk on one machine and then moving it to another machine. When you have your system in target disk mode, all you're doing, as I understand, is making its disk available to another system as a firewire disk. In other words, how is it different than removing the disk from machine A, putting it in machine B to install the OS, and then replacing it in machine A? (Other than just the convenience of not physically removing the drive.) Eric From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Wed Mar 12 17:04:35 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Wed Mar 12 17:02:42 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: References: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> <24A68082-E299-43D7-A429-BA5347609A48@gmail.com> <47D8659F.6060107@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47D86F93.2030408@comcast.net> Harry Freeman wrote: > Eric ( + )!( + ) > > I apologize, however you did say, "Leopard requires an Intel, G5, or > better than 867 MHz G4 CPU, plus 512MB or more of RAM", and the part "an > Intel, G5" just struck me kind of funny. Sorry, maybe that was phrased awkwardly. Replace "An Intel, G5, or better than 867 MHz G4 CPU" with "An Intel CPU, or a G5 CPU, or a G4 CPU faster than 867 MHz" :) In any case, I was only talking about what is required for installation, not to run Leopard - and I did say that there are ways to get around the processor speed limitation on G4 for installation. Eric From ronsteinke at mac.com Wed Mar 12 17:08:11 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Wed Mar 12 17:08:23 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: <47D86D51.1030702@comcast.net> References: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> <5F0B7BFA-A1DD-495D-B252-D39BCE0BDAF0@mac.com> <47D86D51.1030702@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mar 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > In other words, how is it different than removing the disk from > machine A, > putting it in machine B to install the OS, and then replacing it in > machine A? (Other than just the convenience of not physically removing > the drive.) You have a good point there. At first glance, there isn't any difference between Target Mode installations and physically moving the drive after doing the installation in a different machine. However, in my experience installing OS software in different Macs, it is sometimes very critical that you perform the installation WITH the machine that you intend to use the drive in. Frequently, I have performed an OS installation using an iMac and then had problems with the installation when the drive was physically moved to a different architecture machine. The same has occurred when installing to a drive in a B&W G3 and moving the drive to an iMac. There are parts of the installation that are specific to the model of machine and they are not always compatible with a move to a different architecture machine. Strangely, I have not had the same issues with installing to a machine in Target Mode. I have done the installation in Target Mode, separated the machines, and continued to run the installation without any of the problems that appeared previously. I do not have a definitive answer for the happenings, just that it works better for me to do it in Target Mode. God luck with whichever method you chose. From jimash at optonline.net Wed Mar 12 17:32:27 2008 From: jimash at optonline.net (James Asherman) Date: Wed Mar 12 17:32:42 2008 Subject: [G4] firmware: update needed? In-Reply-To: References: <47D84899.6030605@comcast.net> <5F0B7BFA-A1DD-495D-B252-D39BCE0BDAF0@mac.com> <47D86D51.1030702@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3A43457B-662F-4CFC-9B9D-F16B9EFCEB4D@optonline.net> On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > Strangely, I have not had the same issues with installing to a > machine in Target Mode. It has also worked for me very well. From G4 to G5 and from G5 to G4. That was with Tiger, and I did it to avoid all that DVD swapping and popping , and transfer my "stuff"as well. My leopard problem is precisely the opposite of someone else's. When I try to sleep it it wakes right up. Usually a trip to Onyx fixes it. Jim From richspk at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 17:55:5