From alpoulin at cox.net Thu May 1 11:18:21 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Thu May 1 13:46:27 2008 Subject: Subject: Re: [G4] Re: Moving G4 List to Hard Drive (Al Poulin) In-Reply-To: <20F486AF-625D-4FF7-BB46-73591C6DD2C5@verizon.net> References: <20F486AF-625D-4FF7-BB46-73591C6DD2C5@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9201F7A9-49D0-45C2-AF9D-E39CCC1BB8FF@cox.net> On Apr 30, 2008, at 9:22 PM, John Sparks wrote: > Hi Al: > I am using Mac Mail V 3.2.w/OS10.5.2. When I file my e-mails that I > want to retain, I use the "Message" in the tool bar, I cliick on > "Move To", this opens up a drop down of my Mailboxes, I move down > the list to the Mailbox I want to use. > The only e-mail that does not move is "The G4 List" > I ran TechTool Deluxe from Apple Care, then tried again no change. > Thank You I'll try Drag and Drop next. John: Now that I understand the way you use Mail, I doubt that Drag and Drop to the list in the left sidebar will work. But try anyway. My next suggestion is to create a different name for "The G4 List" mailbox. Perhaps this sounds like a quirk, but there could be some something about the name that the system does not like. Oh! by the way, can you put one of these list messages into any other mailbox? If so, then a new name should work. If a new name does not work, I would try putting the Mail Preferences file into the Trash. That is "com.apple.mail.plist" in your home>Library>Preferences. Beyond that, I would consider establishing a new, "Troubleshooting" user account to see if the problem replicates itself there. If the same problem occurs, you know the problem exists in the System. If the problem does not occur, you know that it is a User problem. Al Poulin From ronsteinke at mac.com Thu May 1 12:33:54 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Thu May 1 14:40:58 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <43320EBB-EED6-43CB-B08E-69C0A6BE6377@ncwcom.com> References: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> <86F4809E-1691-49A1-9EEA-9BCF6B5F3EEA@ncwcom.com> <7043B065-FE82-4E68-BA27-F31436A74BC4@mac.com> <43320EBB-EED6-43CB-B08E-69C0A6BE6377@ncwcom.com> Message-ID: <686FA23D-2C01-43AC-8684-4A84408445F4@mac.com> On 30 Apr, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Michael Koch wrote: > The computer was on a network(ether net) > when the monitor was removed; the computer > never completed start up; if it had it would have shown > up on network. When monitor was reconnected > computer completed start up and was on network. > Only the mac servers will work without a monitor as far as I know. > correct me if I am wrong ( do not know about intel mac's) I haven't played around with any Mac Servers, but I have experienced starting up G4 towers, G3 towers and desktops, older PowerPC Macs, and even Quadra series Mac without any monitor attached during startup. They all started up and ran (as well as they were going to run) and were able to recognize the monitor when I attached it later. I have also used a KVM box during the startup of multiple machines and they all started up without any problems and were visible on the monitor when I selected their input port on the KVM box. Just my personal experience, nothing more. From gifutiger at gmail.com Thu May 1 14:08:57 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Thu May 1 15:16:36 2008 Subject: Subject: Re: [G4] Re: Moving G4 List to Hard Drive (Al Poulin) In-Reply-To: <9201F7A9-49D0-45C2-AF9D-E39CCC1BB8FF@cox.net> References: <20F486AF-625D-4FF7-BB46-73591C6DD2C5@verizon.net> <9201F7A9-49D0-45C2-AF9D-E39CCC1BB8FF@cox.net> Message-ID: <3BC3EEA1-6D24-42BF-A75F-91C4FF94E512@gmail.com> Greetings ( + )!( + ) I'm using OS X 10.5 (upgrade from 10.3) and drag and drop has always worked with Mail in those releases. But perhaps part of the problem is that the mailbox was imported from the other computer and doesn't belong to the owner of the current mailbox owner. If it were me I would take Al's suggestion and delete the "com.apple.mail.plist" located in your home>Library>Preferences! ---------------------------------------------------- On May 1, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Al Poulin wrote: > Now that I understand the way you use Mail, I doubt that Drag and > Drop to the list in the left sidebar will work. But try anyway. From jomph at xs4all.nl Thu May 1 14:12:34 2008 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Thu May 1 15:19:15 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 01-05-2008 02:00, Doug McNutt, douglist@macnauchtan.com, wrote: > At 19:47 -0400 4/30/08, Michael Koch wrote: >> The computer was on a network(ether net) >> when the monitor was removed; the computer >> never completed start up; if it had it would have shown >> up on network. When monitor was reconnected >> computer completed start up and was on network. >> Only the mac servers will work without a monitor as far as I know. >> correct me if I am wrong ( do not know about intel mac's) > > A long time ago I helped make a headless G4 work. The solution was a paper > clip shorting two wires on the video connector on the AGP board. Needless to > say I have forgotten the details but I shall review the archives. It might be > on this list from 5 or so years ago. > > There is something about the difference between VGA and Apple pin assignments. The easiest way to do this is by connecting an adaptor or a monitor cable only to the monitorport of the G4. Jo Hissel From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Thu May 1 15:21:50 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Thu May 1 15:50:58 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <686FA23D-2C01-43AC-8684-4A84408445F4@mac.com> References: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> <86F4809E-1691-49A1-9EEA-9BCF6B5F3EEA@ncwcom.com> <7043B065-FE82-4E68-BA27-F31436A74BC4@mac.com> <43320EBB-EED6-43CB-B08E-69C0A6BE6377@ncwcom.com> <686FA23D-2C01-43AC-8684-4A84408445F4@mac.com> Message-ID: <481A427E.6030400@comcast.net> Ronald Steinke wrote: > On 30 Apr, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Michael Koch wrote: > >> The computer was on a network(ether net) >> when the monitor was removed; the computer >> never completed start up; if it had it would have shown >> up on network. When monitor was reconnected >> computer completed start up and was on network. >> Only the mac servers will work without a monitor as far as I know. >> correct me if I am wrong ( do not know about intel mac's) > > I haven't played around with any Mac Servers, but I have experienced > starting up G4 towers, G3 towers and desktops, older PowerPC Macs, and > even Quadra series Mac without any monitor attached during startup. They > all started up and ran (as well as they were going to run) and were able > to recognize the monitor when I attached it later. > > I have also used a KVM box during the startup of multiple machines and > they all started up without any problems and were visible on the monitor > when I selected their input port on the KVM box. > > Just my personal experience, nothing more. Would they also boot up if a keyboard was not connected? Eric From gifutiger at gmail.com Thu May 1 15:29:45 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Thu May 1 15:53:20 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A619114-DD9C-43C2-9C2F-0192FFCE3983@gmail.com> How to make a "Dummy Monitor Plug" http://tvtool.info/go.htm?http://tvtool.info/english/dummy_e.htm ---------------------------------------------------- On May 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM, J.M.P.Hissel wrote: > On 01-05-2008 02:00, Doug McNutt, douglist@macnauchtan.com, wrote: > >> At 19:47 -0400 4/30/08, Michael Koch wrote: >>> The computer was on a network(ether net) >>> when the monitor was removed; the computer >>> never completed start up; if it had it would have shown >>> up on network. When monitor was reconnected >>> computer completed start up and was on network. >>> Only the mac servers will work without a monitor as far as I know. >>> correct me if I am wrong ( do not know about intel mac's) >> >> A long time ago I helped make a headless G4 work. The solution was >> a paper >> clip shorting two wires on the video connector on the AGP board. >> Needless to >> say I have forgotten the details but I shall review the archives. >> It might be >> on this list from 5 or so years ago. >> >> There is something about the difference between VGA and Apple pin >> assignments. > > The easiest way to do this is by connecting an adaptor or a monitor > cable > only to the monitorport of the G4. > > Jo Hissel > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From keith_w at dslextreme.com Thu May 1 16:15:26 2008 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Thu May 1 16:15:39 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <481A427E.6030400@comcast.net> References: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> <86F4809E-1691-49A1-9EEA-9BCF6B5F3EEA@ncwcom.com> <7043B065-FE82-4E68-BA27-F31436A74BC4@mac.com> <43320EBB-EED6-43CB-B08E-69C0A6BE6377@ncwcom.com> <686FA23D-2C01-43AC-8684-4A84408445F4@mac.com> <481A427E.6030400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <481A4F0E.801@dslextreme.com> Eric Smith wrote: > Ronald Steinke wrote: >> On 30 Apr, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Michael Koch wrote: >> >>> The computer was on a network(ether net) >>> when the monitor was removed; the computer >>> never completed start up; if it had it would have shown >>> up on network. When monitor was reconnected >>> computer completed start up and was on network. >>> Only the mac servers will work without a monitor as far as I know. >>> correct me if I am wrong ( do not know about intel mac's) >> I haven't played around with any Mac Servers, but I have experienced >> starting up G4 towers, G3 towers and desktops, older PowerPC Macs, and >> even Quadra series Mac without any monitor attached during startup. >> They all started up and ran (as well as they were going to run) and >> were able to recognize the monitor when I attached it later. >> >> I have also used a KVM box during the startup of multiple machines and >> they all started up without any problems and were visible on the >> monitor when I selected their input port on the KVM box. >> >> Just my personal experience, nothing more. > Would they also boot up if a keyboard was not connected? > > Eric Silly question, I suppose, but...how would you give the computer the command to "boot up" if the keyboard wasn't connected? Would simply turning it on cause it to display the initial boot screen? keith From bco at hiwaay.net Thu May 1 16:37:55 2008 From: bco at hiwaay.net (OBrien) Date: Thu May 1 16:38:15 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <481A4F0E.801@dslextreme.com> References: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> <86F4809E-1691-49A1-9EEA-9BCF6B5F3EEA@ncwcom.com> <7043B065-FE82-4E68-BA27-F31436A74BC4@mac.com> <43320EBB-EED6-43CB-B08E-69C0A6BE6377@ncwcom.com> <686FA23D-2C01-43AC-8684-4A84408445F4@mac.com> <481A427E.6030400@comcast.net> <481A4F0E.801@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20080501183755209477.5a281ed1@hiwaay.net> On Thu, 01 May 2008 16:15:26 -0700, keith_w wrote: > Silly question, I suppose, but...how would you give the computer > the command to "boot up" if the keyboard wasn't connected? Just press the power button. To shutdown, press the power button longer. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O'Brien From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Thu May 1 16:57:29 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Thu May 1 16:55:29 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <20080501183755209477.5a281ed1@hiwaay.net> References: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> <86F4809E-1691-49A1-9EEA-9BCF6B5F3EEA@ncwcom.com> <7043B065-FE82-4E68-BA27-F31436A74BC4@mac.com> <43320EBB-EED6-43CB-B08E-69C0A6BE6377@ncwcom.com> <686FA23D-2C01-43AC-8684-4A84408445F4@mac.com> <481A427E.6030400@comcast.net> <481A4F0E.801@dslextreme.com> <20080501183755209477.5a281ed1@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <481A58E9.2060500@comcast.net> OBrien wrote: > On Thu, 01 May 2008 16:15:26 -0700, keith_w wrote: >> Silly question, I suppose, but...how would you give the computer >> the command to "boot up" if the keyboard wasn't connected? > > Just press the power button. To shutdown, press the power button longer. Right. Christina has said: "I can turn it on, the power light comes on, I hear the hard drive spinning, and the fan is going. But, there's no startup chime. Because I don't have a keyboard or a monitor or it, I can't tell if it's really doing anything or not." It has been my experience that some computers (not necessarily Macs) will not boot up without a keyboard being physically connected. Eric From wmb1204 at fuse.net Thu May 1 17:04:23 2008 From: wmb1204 at fuse.net (Mike Bechtold) Date: Thu May 1 17:04:39 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 Message-ID: <1209686663.6008.3.camel@Ubuntu> Do you have any resale shops near? (Goodwill, St. Vincent De Paul, etc.). I got a working CRT at one for $10. The one I use with my G4 tower is an old 19" (!!) that I got for that same price from craigslist, and although about ten years old, works fine. That might be a cheap way to check out the machine. I also got a Macally USB aftermarket keyboard and mouse for about $25, as I recall. Again, you might find one in a resale shop for a great deal less, if all you wanted to do was test the beast. - Michael B. in Cincinnati From ronsteinke at mac.com Fri May 2 01:09:50 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Fri May 2 01:12:23 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <481A4F0E.801@dslextreme.com> References: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> <86F4809E-1691-49A1-9EEA-9BCF6B5F3EEA@ncwcom.com> <7043B065-FE82-4E68-BA27-F31436A74BC4@mac.com> <43320EBB-EED6-43CB-B08E-69C0A6BE6377@ncwcom.com> <686FA23D-2C01-43AC-8684-4A84408445F4@mac.com> <481A427E.6030400@comcast.net> <481A4F0E.801@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <8E8572E1-3EBF-44DC-BC45-E0320291695A@mac.com> On 1 May, 2008, at 4:15 PM, keith_w wrote: > Silly question, I suppose, but...how would you give the computer the > command to "boot up" if the keyboard wasn't connected? > > Would simply turning it on cause it to display the initial boot > screen? You don't use the Power button on the front of the case? I always use that instead of the keyboard power button. It works for me. From ronsteinke at mac.com Fri May 2 01:07:45 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Fri May 2 01:51:32 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <481A427E.6030400@comcast.net> References: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> <86F4809E-1691-49A1-9EEA-9BCF6B5F3EEA@ncwcom.com> <7043B065-FE82-4E68-BA27-F31436A74BC4@mac.com> <43320EBB-EED6-43CB-B08E-69C0A6BE6377@ncwcom.com> <686FA23D-2C01-43AC-8684-4A84408445F4@mac.com> <481A427E.6030400@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6E10E839-0150-45E6-8E68-856EACAB53E3@mac.com> On 1 May, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > Would they also boot up if a keyboard was not connected? I couldn't say as to that. I never had one set up without a keyboard and mouse, even with the KVM box. It never occurred to me to do a setup without them. The KVM box provided the keyboard and mouse for multiple machines at once, but I occasionally would set a machine up without any monitor connection because I was going to test different monitors for functionality and would be changing the monitors out one after another. The machine that was set up for the monitor testing would vary according to what model I had available to me at the time I was going to be testing monitors. At first, I was using Centris and Quadra models, then I moved on to PowerPC models, and now I'm using G3 and G4 models. As we received newer models in the donations to our program, I would use the newest and fastest available. My main test machine now is a 677MHz Digital Audio G4 but it will be replaced with a dual 100Ghz QuickSilver as soon as I finish configuring it with the software that I use. From t_sheeley at hotmail.com Fri May 2 01:58:27 2008 From: t_sheeley at hotmail.com (Tony Sheeley) Date: Fri May 2 01:58:43 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <481A58E9.2060500@comcast.net> References: <2a1dfa490804291607i758fd8daya94047c633188385@mail.gmail.com> <86F4809E-1691-49A1-9EEA-9BCF6B5F3EEA@ncwcom.com> <7043B065-FE82-4E68-BA27-F31436A74BC4@mac.com> <43320EBB-EED6-43CB-B08E-69C0A6BE6377@ncwcom.com> <686FA23D-2C01-43AC-8684-4A84408445F4@mac.com> <481A427E.6030400@comcast.net> <481A4F0E.801@dslextreme.com> <20080501183755209477.5a281ed1@hiwaay.net> <481A58E9.2060500@comcast.net> Message-ID: > It has been my experience that some computers (not necessarily> Macs) will not boot up without a keyboard being physically> connected.> > Eric Yep, on PC's, that's the dreaded "Keyboard error, press any key to continue" situation.... _________________________________________________________________ Discover and Win with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Fri May 2 07:12:10 2008 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick) Date: Fri May 2 07:12:23 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <168004.41343.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <168004.41343.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7342B356-886B-4B99-A0BA-3323C6CB249B@sbcglobal.net> John This QS (2002) is a great Mac, I got one and it has few limitations... such as allowing for hard drives greater than 120GB Rick San Francisco & Houston ///////////////////////////////////////////// On May 2, 2008, at 7:25 AM, John Niven wrote: --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Ronald Steinke wrote: > will be replaced with a dual 100Ghz QuickSilver Wow! I wanna buy one of those! John :-) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From t_sheeley at hotmail.com Fri May 2 08:14:08 2008 From: t_sheeley at hotmail.com (Tony Sheeley) Date: Fri May 2 08:14:25 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <7342B356-886B-4B99-A0BA-3323C6CB249B@sbcglobal.net> References: <168004.41343.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7342B356-886B-4B99-A0BA-3323C6CB249B@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: But if you can get a dual 100ghz, I don't think hard drive size would be looked at as a limitation > From: r.ramsowr@sbcglobal.net > To: senseamp@yahoo.com; g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Subject: Re: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:12:10 -0500 > CC: > > John > > This QS (2002) is a great Mac, I got one and it has few limitations... > such as allowing for hard drives greater than 120GB > > Rick > San Francisco & Houston > ///////////////////////////////////////////// > > On May 2, 2008, at 7:25 AM, John Niven wrote: > > --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Ronald Steinke wrote: > > > will be replaced with a dual 100Ghz QuickSilver > > > Wow! I wanna buy one of those! > > John :-) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080502/f01aa990/attachment.html From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Fri May 2 09:37:29 2008 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Rick) Date: Fri May 2 09:37:44 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: References: <168004.41343.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7342B356-886B-4B99-A0BA-3323C6CB249B@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Sorry I did mean it as a limitation And I do see them for sell on e-Bay from time to time... I got mine about 6 month ago for $250 loaded and the guy included a external hard drive... just in time for my upgrade to OS X (10.5)... IT'S A REALLY GREAT MAC! Rick San Francisco & Houston //////////////////////////////////////////////// On May 2, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Tony Sheeley wrote: But if you can get a dual 100ghz, I don't think hard drive size would be looked at as a limitation > From: r.ramsowr@sbcglobal.net > To: senseamp@yahoo.com; g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Subject: Re: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:12:10 -0500 > CC: > > John > > This QS (2002) is a great Mac, I got one and it has few limitations... > such as allowing for hard drives greater than 120GB > > Rick > San Francisco & Houston > ///////////////////////////////////////////// > > On May 2, 2008, at 7:25 AM, John Niven wrote: > > --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Ronald Steinke wrote: > >> will be replaced with a dual 100Ghz QuickSilver > > > Wow! I wanna buy one of those! > > John :-) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/_______________________________________________ G4 mailing list G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From G4List at listicath.co.uk Fri May 2 09:40:47 2008 From: G4List at listicath.co.uk (Adrian Jones) Date: Fri May 2 09:41:17 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: References: <168004.41343.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, <7342B356-886B-4B99-A0BA-3323C6CB249B@sbcglobal.net> , Message-ID: <481B521F.20805.14E0B4FE@G4List.listicath.co.uk> You could probably turn the central heating off in Winter too... Adrian On 2 May 2008 at 16:14, Tony Sheeley wrote: > > But if you can get a dual 100ghz, I don't think hard drive size would > be looked at as a limitation > > > From: r.ramsowr@sbcglobal.net > > To: senseamp@yahoo.com; g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > Subject: Re: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 > > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:12:10 -0500 > > CC: > > > > John > > > > This QS (2002) is a great Mac, I got one and it has few > limitations... > > such as allowing for hard drives greater than 120GB > > > > Rick > > San Francisco & Houston > > ///////////////////////////////////////////// > > > > On May 2, 2008, at 7:25 AM, John Niven wrote: > > > > --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Ronald Steinke wrote: > > > > > will be replaced with a dual 100Ghz QuickSilver > > > > > > Wow! I wanna buy one of those! > > > > John :-) > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now! From casamuels at gmail.com Fri May 2 09:54:35 2008 From: casamuels at gmail.com (Christina Samuels) Date: Fri May 2 09:55:49 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Gifted with a G4/500 Message-ID: <2a1dfa490805020954x41fd8695sc9b8ac76d308c24b@mail.gmail.com> ...I've been afraid to reply since my last set of four posts in a row!... I have been to Goodwill looking for a monitor and keyboard, but all I"m seeing right now is stuff with PS/2 connectors. And then I figured, even if this computer doesn't work, it's probably worth it to get a decent monitor and keyboard anyway; I can always use those items with my Macbook, or if I want/need a desktop computer later on down the line. So, I'm just trying to put together enough $$$ for that. Most anything else I need for it (if it works) I hope to get through eBay or the swap list. I do hope it's alive! I've stopped fooling around with it, though, for the moment. It definitely was working when we got my mother a new Mac; it just wasn't working very well. But it's not like she's done anything to it besides having it sitting in a corner of the basement for a few (ahem) years. And hey, I'm already learning; someone suggested in an earlier post to set up hard drives in a "RAID array" and I had to go look that up. :-) I don't know if I would need such protection, but now I know what it is, at least. Christina -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080502/2c03189f/attachment.html From douglist at macnauchtan.com Fri May 2 12:46:13 2008 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Fri May 2 12:52:05 2008 Subject: [G4] Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490805020954x41fd8695sc9b8ac76d308c24b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490805020954x41fd8695sc9b8ac76d308c24b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 12:54 -0400 5/2/08, Christina Samuels wrote: I have been to Goodwill looking for a monitor and keyboard, but all I"m seeing right now is stuff with PS/2 connectors. And then I figured, even if this computer doesn't work, it's probably worth it to get a decent monitor and keyboard anyway; If you want to come by Colorado Springs I have 640 x 480 Apple branded monitors to give away. They are not worth shipping. The G4 will operate with pretty much any USB keyboard if you don't mind not having a COMMAND key with an Apple on it. -- --> From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. <-- From casamuels at gmail.com Fri May 2 13:36:04 2008 From: casamuels at gmail.com (Christina Samuels) Date: Fri May 2 13:36:18 2008 Subject: [G4] Wireless keyboard and G4 Message-ID: <2a1dfa490805021336p8f6b28ej4f75782ebfa397a7@mail.gmail.com> I should *not* get a wireless keyboard for my G4 Power Mac, right? I know wireless would work fine with my Macbook, but I was looking at wired options because 1. I don't really care that much one way or the other, and wired is cheaper and 2. I assumed that there wasn't a way to get bluetooth on an older machine. Is that true? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080502/118117d3/attachment.html From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Fri May 2 14:01:46 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Fri May 2 13:59:46 2008 Subject: [G4] Wireless keyboard and G4 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490805021336p8f6b28ej4f75782ebfa397a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490805021336p8f6b28ej4f75782ebfa397a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <481B813A.6020004@comcast.net> Christina, You should be able to add a USB Bluetooth adapter that would allow you to use a wireless keyboard, although you'd have to find an adapter that worked with USB 1.1 (unless you add a USB 2.0 card). But one problem is that I think (no actual experience here) that you can't use a wireless keyboard to select bootup options, like "C" to boot from the CD-ROM, "option" to switch between startup drives, etc. Eric Christina Samuels wrote: > I should *not* get a wireless keyboard for my G4 Power Mac, right? I > know wireless would work fine with my Macbook, but I was looking at > wired options because 1. I don't really care that much one way or the > other, and wired is cheaper and 2. I assumed that there wasn't a way to > get bluetooth on an older machine. Is that true? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Fri May 2 14:07:34 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Fri May 2 14:05:35 2008 Subject: [G4] Wireless keyboard and G4 In-Reply-To: <481B813A.6020004@comcast.net> References: <2a1dfa490805021336p8f6b28ej4f75782ebfa397a7@mail.gmail.com> <481B813A.6020004@comcast.net> Message-ID: <481B8296.5030409@comcast.net> > You should be able to add a USB Bluetooth adapter that would allow > you to use a wireless keyboard, although you'd have to find an > adapter that worked with USB 1.1 (unless you add a USB 2.0 card). Actually, that should not be a concern. All USB 2.0 devices *should* also work as 1.1 devices. Eric From senseamp at yahoo.com Fri May 2 14:06:19 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Fri May 2 14:06:33 2008 Subject: [G4] Wireless keyboard and G4 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490805021336p8f6b28ej4f75782ebfa397a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <800847.76105.qm@web51106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have (amongst others) a G4 dual 450MHz GE which I have hooked up to my big-screen lcd TV. I use it to watch ripped movies. Opps did I say that? Since I want to operate it from the couch I use a Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse. It comes with a bluetooth "dongle" that you plug into the usb port. Works fine but you do have to put batteries in them, which is a negative if you don't really need it. You can get a brand new Apple brushed Aluminum keyboard for $49. I've got one and I like it. On the other hand, I mostly use old Logitech "Wingman" gaming mice, because I like the shape, the three buttons, and NO scroll wheel to get in the way. They don't make them any more - I buy them when I can on eBay. I always think that the human interface is worth spending money on. You can still use these with your laptop - sometimes a full size keyboard is nice. Have you tried your local Craigslist? For things like monitors a local pickup is going to be your best bet. Older CRT's are a good deal nowadays since everybody wants and lcd :-) John --- On Fri, 5/2/08, Christina Samuels wrote: > From: Christina Samuels > Subject: [G4] Wireless keyboard and G4 > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Date: Friday, May 2, 2008, 3:36 PM > I should *not* get a wireless keyboard for my G4 Power Mac, > right? I know > wireless would work fine with my Macbook, but I was looking > at wired options > because 1. I don't really care that much one way or the > other, and wired is > cheaper and 2. I assumed that there wasn't a way to get > bluetooth on an > older machine. Is that > true?_______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From alpoulin at cox.net Fri May 2 15:00:53 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Fri May 2 15:01:14 2008 Subject: [G4] Re: Gifted with a G4/500 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490805020954x41fd8695sc9b8ac76d308c24b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490805020954x41fd8695sc9b8ac76d308c24b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <149FB576-8CBB-43DD-9F17-8EA0EF4541AD@cox.net> On May 2, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Christina Samuels wrote: > I do hope it's alive! I've stopped fooling around with it, though, > for the moment. It definitely was working when we got my mother a > new Mac; it just wasn't working very well. But it's not like she's > done anything to it besides having it sitting in a corner of the > basement for a few (ahem) years. Christina: You already said you replaced the battery. Did you reset the PRAM? No, because you need a keyboard for that, one of the elementary fixes for sometimes flakey behavior. Also, you may need to press a little CUDA buttton next to the battery. You've already received a lot of good advice here. The next time around, you might try another list. You can subscribe to the imaclist at lowendmac.com: http://lowendmac.com/lists/index.shtml but it operates in Google Groups. And you might poke around the rest of the lowendmac web site, very interesting. Al Poulin From alpoulin at cox.net Fri May 2 15:03:52 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Fri May 2 15:04:18 2008 Subject: [G4] Wireless keyboard and G4 In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490805021336p8f6b28ej4f75782ebfa397a7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490805021336p8f6b28ej4f75782ebfa397a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1CDD530F-F261-4BE7-B632-A5AA551262B0@cox.net> On May 2, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Christina Samuels wrote: > I should *not* get a wireless keyboard for my G4 Power Mac, right? I > know wireless would work fine with my Macbook, but I was looking at > wired options because 1. I don't really care that much one way or > the other, and wired is cheaper and 2. I assumed that there wasn't a > way to get bluetooth on an older machine. Is that true? I prefer wired keyboard and mouse. No batteries to replace! Al Poulin From aperry at eznet.net Sun May 4 17:24:40 2008 From: aperry at eznet.net (aperry@eznet.net) Date: Sun May 4 17:24:52 2008 Subject: [G4] backup questions Message-ID: <4256.69.207.155.237.1209947080.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> I have a few questions regarding backup procedures. 1. If I, in the past, backed up to an external drive using Carbon Copy Cloner, can I now do an incremental backup to the same drive using Superduper!, or must I start all over again? 2. If I backup one external drive to another external drive, and I want them both bootable or "blessed," is it all right to connect one of the drives via firewire and the other via USB during the backup? 3. If I backup via USB, can I still make the backup bootable, but switch to a firewire cable when booting from that drive? I recognize these are all pretty basic questions, but I can't find the answers. Thanks in advance, Aggie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080504/bccc0003/attachment.html From alpoulin at cox.net Tue May 6 06:59:48 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Tue May 6 07:00:00 2008 Subject: [G4] backup questions In-Reply-To: <4256.69.207.155.237.1209947080.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> References: <4256.69.207.155.237.1209947080.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> Message-ID: <6BE1A82C-5B2F-485B-A963-7119A0F2E8E9@cox.net> Aggie: Well it has been a couple days. I am no expert here, but I'll make some comments hoping that other folks will check in with you. On May 4, 2008, at 8:24 PM, aperry@eznet.net wrote: > I have a few questions regarding backup procedures. > 1. If I, in the past, backed up to an external drive using Carbon > Copy Cloner, can I now do an incremental backup to the same drive > using Superduper!, or must I start all over again? Not likely. I would just start all over again. > > 2. If I backup one external drive to another external drive, and I > want them both bootable or "blessed," is it all right to connect one > of the drives via firewire and the other via USB during the backup? You cannot boot from a USB drive. Also, you want to backup to both drives simultaneously? No way. > > 3. If I backup via USB, can I still make the backup bootable, but > switch to a firewire cable when booting from that drive? See above. Al Poulin From thekirkline1941 at verizon.net Tue May 6 07:13:11 2008 From: thekirkline1941 at verizon.net (thekirkline1941@verizon.net) Date: Tue May 6 07:13:26 2008 Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives Message-ID: <30345172.5246171210083191824.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> A while ago, I purchased two Seagate 500gb Barracuda internal hard drives for my G4 Quicksilver (800 mhz). I had hoped to install both and use them as automatic backups to the original 40 gb drive. I also purchased the required PCI card in order that they would be recognized to their full capacity. The problem I have run into is that there is only one extra power supply cord P5 available. Question: how do I connect both drives in order to use them as backups. What I have done so far is install them one at a time and, using Carbon Copy Cloner, copied the data from the original drive to one and then the contents of my La Cie external 80 gb drive to the other. Both Seagates are bootable, but, under current circumstances I can only have one installed at a time. My guess is I need to purchase an extra power cord but am not sure how to install such a thing. Also, is it possible with these SATA drives to have them automatically back up my data from the original? Thanks. Jim Scarborough Kirk From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue May 6 07:28:56 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue May 6 07:29:05 2008 Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives In-Reply-To: <30345172.5246171210083191824.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <347428.37506.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, You can buy a power splitter: a short cable with a socket on one end which splits in a "Y" to two plugs (one for each drive). John --- On Tue, 5/6/08, thekirkline1941@verizon.net wrote: > From: thekirkline1941@verizon.net > Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 9:13 AM > A while ago, I purchased two Seagate 500gb Barracuda > internal hard drives for my G4 Quicksilver (800 mhz). I had > hoped to install both and use them as automatic backups to > the original 40 gb drive. I also purchased the required PCI > card in order that they would be recognized to their full > capacity. The problem I have run into is that there is only > one extra power supply cord P5 available. Question: how do I > connect both drives in order to use them as backups. What I > have done so far is install them one at a time and, using > Carbon Copy Cloner, copied the data from the original drive > to one and then the contents of my La Cie external 80 gb > drive to the other. Both Seagates are bootable, but, under > current circumstances I can only have one installed at a > time. My guess is I need to purchase an extra power cord > but am not sure how to install such a thing. Also, is it > possible with these SATA drives to have them automatically > back up my data from the original? Thanks. > > Jim Scarborough Kirk > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From alpoulin at cox.net Tue May 6 07:43:41 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Tue May 6 07:43:51 2008 Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives In-Reply-To: <30345172.5246171210083191824.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> References: <30345172.5246171210083191824.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On May 6, 2008, at 10:13 AM, wrote: > A while ago, I purchased two Seagate 500gb Barracuda internal hard > drives for my G4 Quicksilver (800 mhz). I had hoped to install both > and use them as automatic backups to the original 40 gb drive. I > also purchased the required PCI card in order that they would be > recognized to their full capacity. The problem I have run into is > that there is only one extra power supply cord P5 available. > Question: how do I connect both drives in order to use them as I would put one of them into an external Firewire box. Make it bootable. Keep it off line except when backing up, and maybe place in some other location for extra safety. A bad power hit, or lightning strike, or house fire could ruin any internal drive. And why have it spinning whenever the G4 is running? By the way, I ran an extra, internal Seagate Barracuda 40GB in my QuickSilver 733. Just a compromise on cost, but not the best thing to do. The Seagate ended up being my main drive, and the original IBM drive was the backup only because I did not like to hear the IBM heads clattering. Al Poulin From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Tue May 6 07:58:01 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Tue May 6 07:58:03 2008 Subject: [G4] backup questions In-Reply-To: <6BE1A82C-5B2F-485B-A963-7119A0F2E8E9@cox.net> References: <4256.69.207.155.237.1209947080.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> <6BE1A82C-5B2F-485B-A963-7119A0F2E8E9@cox.net> Message-ID: <482071F9.2060405@comcast.net> Al Poulin wrote: > Aggie: > > Well it has been a couple days. I am no expert here, but I'll make some > comments hoping that other folks will check in with you. > > On May 4, 2008, at 8:24 PM, aperry@eznet.net wrote: >> I have a few questions regarding backup procedures. >> 1. If I, in the past, backed up to an external drive using Carbon Copy >> Cloner, can I now do an incremental backup to the same drive using >> Superduper!, or must I start all over again? > > Not likely. I would just start all over again. >> >> 2. If I backup one external drive to another external drive, and I >> want them both bootable or "blessed," is it all right to connect one >> of the drives via firewire and the other via USB during the backup? > > You cannot boot from a USB drive. Also, you want to backup to both > drives simultaneously? No way. >> >> 3. If I backup via USB, can I still make the backup bootable, but >> switch to a firewire cable when booting from that drive? > > See above. > > Al Poulin He didn't say what model his system is. Most Power Mac G4s can boot from USB. Only very early ones (pre AGP graphics) with single-channel USB cannot. Eric From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue May 6 08:00:47 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue May 6 08:00:56 2008 Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <281672.29489.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I agree that a TRUE backup benefits from seprate site storage. On the other hand, it's not so easy to remember to do the backup. At work I have a firewire drive that I do regular bootable backups too using CCC. I then turn it off. Another great use of two matching internal drives is to create a mirrored RAID array using Disk Utility. This just appears as one 500Gb drive on your desktop, but constantly writes to both drives. If one fails the other still carries on. You could put your MOST valuable files on the 40Gb in an external fw case (freeing up a power connector also), which would be unplugged and therefore not wearing out anymore..... John --- On Tue, 5/6/08, Al Poulin wrote: > From: Al Poulin > Subject: Re: [G4] two 500 gb drives > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 9:43 AM > On May 6, 2008, at 10:13 AM, > wrote: > > A while ago, I purchased two Seagate 500gb Barracuda > internal hard > > drives for my G4 Quicksilver (800 mhz). I had hoped to > install both > > and use them as automatic backups to the original 40 > gb drive. I > > also purchased the required PCI card in order that > they would be > > recognized to their full capacity. The problem I have > run into is > > that there is only one extra power supply cord P5 > available. > > Question: how do I connect both drives in order to use > them as > > I would put one of them into an external Firewire box. > Make it > bootable. Keep it off line except when backing up, and > maybe place in > some other location for extra safety. > > A bad power hit, or lightning strike, or house fire could > ruin any > internal drive. And why have it spinning whenever the G4 > is running? > By the way, I ran an extra, internal Seagate Barracuda 40GB > in my > QuickSilver 733. Just a compromise on cost, but not the > best thing to > do. The Seagate ended up being my main drive, and the > original IBM > drive was the backup only because I did not like to hear > the IBM heads > clattering. > > Al Poulin > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Tue May 6 08:14:20 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Tue May 6 08:14:22 2008 Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives In-Reply-To: References: <30345172.5246171210083191824.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <482075CC.6010209@comcast.net> Al Poulin wrote: > > On May 6, 2008, at 10:13 AM, wrote: >> A while ago, I purchased two Seagate 500gb Barracuda internal hard >> drives for my G4 Quicksilver (800 mhz). I had hoped to install both >> and use them as automatic backups to the original 40 gb drive. I also >> purchased the required PCI card in order that they would be recognized >> to their full capacity. The problem I have run into is that there is >> only one extra power supply cord P5 available. Question: how do I >> connect both drives in order to use them as > > I would put one of them into an external Firewire box. Make it > bootable. Keep it off line except when backing up, and maybe place in > some other location for extra safety. > > A bad power hit, or lightning strike, or house fire could ruin any > internal drive. And why have it spinning whenever the G4 is running? There are a couple reasons that internal might be better. Most important, Firewire is slower. It is even slower than the ATA/66 built in to the Quicksilver. But since he bought a PCI controller chances are it is ATA/133, which will be considerably faster than Firewire 400. Also, there's just the hassle of an extra box taking up a port and a power connection, and the firewire enclosure is an extra expense. But wouldn't three internal drives mean extra mounting hardware? My suggestion would be that with two 500 GB drives, the 40 GB is superfluous. Just mount the two 500's internally and run them off of the PCI controller. Eric > By the way, I ran an extra, internal Seagate Barracuda 40GB in my > QuickSilver 733. Just a compromise on cost, but not the best thing to > do. The Seagate ended up being my main drive, and the original IBM > drive was the backup only because I did not like to hear the IBM heads > clattering. > > Al Poulin > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From alpoulin at cox.net Tue May 6 11:08:23 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Tue May 6 11:08:50 2008 Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives In-Reply-To: <482075CC.6010209@comcast.net> References: <30345172.5246171210083191824.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> <482075CC.6010209@comcast.net> Message-ID: On May 6, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > But wouldn't three internal drives mean extra mounting hardware? > My suggestion would be that with two 500 GB drives, the 40 GB is Need to do something, but it is doable. My QuickSilver 733 book shows three drive positions 1,2, and 3 from front to back across the bottom. Position 3 is usually for one or two ATA drives, with the sled for both. Drive positions 1 and 2 are usually for SCSI drives. But the space is otherwise not occupied. I've read about people using that space for extra ATA drive(s), just sitting loose or somehow secured in a jury-rig fashion. Cardboard and popsicle sticks?. Al Poulin From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue May 6 12:10:17 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue May 6 12:10:28 2008 Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <35104.32772.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't have anything latter than a GE tower, but you just need drive trays for the front two drive positions. They are really more or less just a flat sheet of steel that you screw to the bottom of the drive, then slide in and secure with a screw same as the main dual ata one. look on eBay, they should be cheap. I have one machine with three SCSI drives mounted that way. I also have one with two 18Gb SCSI drives forward mounted and a 120Gb on the internal ATA. The SCSI are RAID 0 striped and are the fast boot volume, the 120Gb stores files :-) --- On Tue, 5/6/08, Al Poulin wrote: > From: Al Poulin > Subject: Re: [G4] two 500 gb drives > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 1:08 PM > On May 6, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > > > But wouldn't three internal drives mean extra > mounting hardware? > > My suggestion would be that with two 500 GB drives, > the 40 GB is > > Need to do something, but it is doable. My QuickSilver 733 > book shows > three drive positions 1,2, and 3 from front to back across > the > bottom. Position 3 is usually for one or two ATA drives, > with the > sled for both. Drive positions 1 and 2 are usually for > SCSI drives. > But the space is otherwise not occupied. I've read > about people using > that space for extra ATA drive(s), just sitting loose or > somehow secured in a jury-rig fashion. Cardboard and > popsicle sticks?. > > Al Poulin > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ronsteinke at mac.com Tue May 6 12:42:01 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Tue May 6 12:42:16 2008 Subject: [G4] backup questions In-Reply-To: <6BE1A82C-5B2F-485B-A963-7119A0F2E8E9@cox.net> References: <4256.69.207.155.237.1209947080.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> <6BE1A82C-5B2F-485B-A963-7119A0F2E8E9@cox.net> Message-ID: On 6 May, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Al Poulin wrote: > You cannot boot from a USB drive. I missed something here. What model are we talking about in this thread? I ask because I have booted many G3 and a few G4 models from an external USB-1 drive with a blessed OS install on it. From ronsteinke at mac.com Tue May 6 12:45:32 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Tue May 6 12:45:46 2008 Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives In-Reply-To: <30345172.5246171210083191824.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> References: <30345172.5246171210083191824.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On 6 May, 2008, at 7:13 AM, thekirkline1941@verizon.net wrote: > The problem I have run into is that there is only one extra power > supply cord P5 available. Are you absolutely certain that there aren't more power supply plugs available in your G4. All my G4s have three power supply plugs available (after using one for the normal hard drive connection). Maybe the cords have been folded and pushed behind a sub-chassis panel? Check closely for things in hiding. From t_sheeley at hotmail.com Wed May 7 05:40:33 2008 From: t_sheeley at hotmail.com (Tony Sheeley) Date: Wed May 7 05:40:40 2008 Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives In-Reply-To: <35104.32772.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <35104.32772.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "I have one machine with three SCSI drives mounted that way...." Can anyone recommend a "cheap" scsi card for a dual G4 450? _________________________________________________________________ Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080507/4f8d6614/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed May 7 06:13:31 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed May 7 06:14:45 2008 Subject: [G4] two 500 gb drives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <578917.86231.qm@web51112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Well I use, and like, the ATTO ExpressPCI UL3D. This is a u160 dual channel card. Critically, it's also a 64bit wide PCI card, which is a great match for the G4's slower (33MHz) but wider (64bit) PCI slots. So it's the equivalent of a 66MHz 32bit slot found in more modern machines. You can stripe two drives across the two channels and get the equivalent of a u320 drive. If you only have one drive you can use the cheaper UL3S. ATTO (unlike Adaptec) have all the modern drivers you might need downloadable. They seem to go for $15-$25 on eBay these days. Remember you also need a good quality U160 cable and terminator. And might as well get at least a 10K rpm disk, if not 15K :-) John --- On Wed, 5/7/08, Tony Sheeley wrote: > From: Tony Sheeley > Subject: RE: [G4] two 500 gb drives > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 7:40 AM > "I have one machine with three SCSI drives mounted that > way...." > > Can anyone recommend a "cheap" scsi card for a > dual G4 450? > _________________________________________________________________ > Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From dancurr at frontiernet.net Thu May 8 19:13:18 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Thu May 8 19:13:34 2008 Subject: [G4] Disk mounting problems!! Message-ID: <4823B33E.405@frontiernet.net> Hello All, I was using TechTool Pro to do some serious cleaning on my MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 320 GB HD / NETSCAPE 7.2 / OS X.4.7 and when I restarted two partitions from one of my hard drives were no longer on my desktop. I tried TTP again and they did not show up there, I checked my About This Mac and they are listed but not mounted. I then used Mac Disk Utility to Verify Disk it said they had to be repaired but when I clicked Repair Disk it said they could not be repaired. One stores all my music and the other all my document. HELP!! Dan A. Currie, Jr. From casamuels at gmail.com Thu May 8 19:29:39 2008 From: casamuels at gmail.com (Christina Samuels) Date: Thu May 8 19:29:55 2008 Subject: [G4] Computer won't boot into open firmware mode Message-ID: <2a1dfa490805081929q73989959t99eae77274f0cc47@mail.gmail.com> Hello again. I had posted earlier about trying to bring an G4/500 Power Mac back to life. Well, it's working, but, there is still no "chime" when I turn it on. As suggested, I tried to go through the reset procedure recommended once. The first time I tried it, it did work and chime. Then I tried a restart -- no chime. I tried to get into the open firmware mode again, and now the computer is just blank when I restart holding down command+option+o+f. I'm not sure why I could get the open firmware screen once, but I can't seem to get back to that mode again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080508/819f031f/attachment.html From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Thu May 8 19:47:18 2008 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Thu May 8 19:47:34 2008 Subject: [G4] Disk mounting problems!! In-Reply-To: <4823B33E.405@frontiernet.net> References: <4823B33E.405@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <4229BA47-66F4-4820-8280-7F4D7AEF571E@ncwcom.com> On May 8, 2008, at 22:13, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello All, > > I was using TechTool Pro to do some serious cleaning on my MDD DUAL > 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 320 GB HD / NETSCAPE 7.2 / OS X.4.7 and when I > restarted two partitions from one of my hard drives were no longer > on my desktop. I tried TTP again and they did not show up there, I > checked my About This Mac and they are listed but not mounted. I > then used Mac Disk Utility to Verify Disk it said they had to be > repaired but when I clicked Repair Disk it said they could not be > repaired. One stores all my music and the other all my document. > > HELP!! > > Dan A. Currie, Jr. > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > I hope you have a back up of all your stuff. I just had a New Samsung HD do the same thing -( about 2 months old ) it is on the way back to be replaced. good luck to you have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com From dancurr at frontiernet.net Thu May 8 20:29:10 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Thu May 8 20:29:20 2008 Subject: [G4] Disks not mounting ???? Message-ID: <4823C506.7070805@frontiernet.net> Hello ALL, I was using TechTool Pro to do some serious cleaning on my MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 & 200 GB HD / OS X.4.11 and when I restarted two partitions from one of my hard drives were no longer on my desktop. I tried TTP again and they did not show up there, I checked my About This Mac and they are listed but not mounted. I then used Mac Disk Utility to Verify Disk it said they had to be repaired but when I clicked Repair Disk it said they could not be repaired. One stores all my music and the other all my document. I went to System profiler and somehow the Mount Point for the two partitions have been lost. I know the names are /Volumes/DOCUMENTS and the other is /Volumes/MUSIC. Now where and how do I tell my computer to mount them. Thanks, Dan WDC WD2000BB-00FTA0: Capacity: 186.31 GB Model: WDC WD2000BB-00FTA0 Revision: 15.05R15 Serial Number: WD-WMAEP1246266 Removable Media: No Detachable Drive: No BSD Name: disk1 Protocol: ATA Unit Number: 1 Socket Type: Internal OS9 Drivers: Yes S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified Volumes: DOCUMENTS: Capacity: 20.2 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk1s10 Mount Point: UTILITIES: Capacity: 24.52 GB Available: 6.1 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk1s12 Mount Point: /Volumes/UTILITIES MUSIC: Capacity: 46.27 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk1s14 Mount Point: Pictures & Movies: Capacity: 46.42 GB Available: 1.97 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk1s16 Mount Point: /Volumes/Pictures & Movies Junk: Capacity: 48.27 GB Available: 5.84 GB Writable: Yes File System: Journaled HFS+ BSD Name: disk1s18 Mount Point: /Volumes/Junk From dancurr at frontiernet.net Fri May 9 04:47:18 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Fri May 9 04:48:11 2008 Subject: [G4] What type of drive will work? Message-ID: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> Hello All, My MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 GB and 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE 7.2 / OS X.4.11 is losing one of its drives. According to the manual it can handle 6 drive / storage devices. The 2 ATA / 100 bays and the 2 Optical bays are filled but the 2 ATA / 66 bays are empty. My question is will an ATA / 100 storage drive work in one of the ATA / 66 bays? I would like to put a 300 GB ATA / 100 dstorage drive in one of the bays. Thank you, Dan A. Currie, Jr. From trout&creek at ncwcom.com Fri May 9 06:20:22 2008 From: trout&creek at ncwcom.com (Michael Koch) Date: Fri May 9 06:20:33 2008 Subject: [G4] What type of drive will work? In-Reply-To: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> References: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <700AD47A-5D8C-47A3-A4C2-89F6CBE1B85A@ncwcom.com> On May 9, 2008, at 7:47, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello All, > > My MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 GB and 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE > 7.2 / OS X.4.11 is losing one of its drives. > > According to the manual it can handle 6 drive / storage devices. The > 2 ATA / 100 bays and the 2 Optical bays are filled but the 2 ATA / > 66 bays are empty. > > My question is will an ATA / 100 storage drive work in one of the > ATA / 66 bays? I would like to put a 300 GB ATA / 100 dstorage > drive in one of the bays. > > Thank you, > > Dan A. Currie, Jr. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > Yes you can use any ATA ( IDE ) drive with out problems. you CAN NOT use the newer STAT drives without a new card ( STAT ) have a nice day Michael Koch mkoch@ncwcom.com From dancurr at frontiernet.net Fri May 9 06:32:34 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Fri May 9 06:32:44 2008 Subject: [G4] What type of drive will work? In-Reply-To: <700AD47A-5D8C-47A3-A4C2-89F6CBE1B85A@ncwcom.com> References: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> <700AD47A-5D8C-47A3-A4C2-89F6CBE1B85A@ncwcom.com> Message-ID: <48245272.8050109@frontiernet.net> Michael Koch wrote: > > On May 9, 2008, at 7:47, Dan A. Currie wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> My MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 GB and 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE 7.2 >> / OS X.4.11 is losing one of its drives. >> >> According to the manual it can handle 6 drive / storage devices. The >> 2 ATA / 100 bays and the 2 Optical bays are filled but the 2 ATA / 66 >> bays are empty. >> >> My question is will an ATA / 100 storage drive work in one of the ATA >> / 66 bays? I would like to put a 300 GB ATA / 100 dstorage drive in >> one of the bays. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Dan A. Currie, Jr. >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > Yes you can use any ATA ( IDE ) drive with out problems. > you CAN NOT use the newer STAT drives without a new card ( STAT ) *Thank you ALL!! I can get by with a 120GB HD until this one gets checked!! Thanks again, Dan* From keith_w at dslextreme.com Fri May 9 06:35:14 2008 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Fri May 9 06:35:27 2008 Subject: [G4] What type of drive will work? In-Reply-To: <700AD47A-5D8C-47A3-A4C2-89F6CBE1B85A@ncwcom.com> References: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> <700AD47A-5D8C-47A3-A4C2-89F6CBE1B85A@ncwcom.com> Message-ID: <48245312.8040502@dslextreme.com> Michael Koch wrote: > > On May 9, 2008, at 7:47, Dan A. Currie wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> My MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 GB and 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE 7.2 >> / OS X.4.11 is losing one of its drives. >> >> According to the manual it can handle 6 drive / storage devices. The 2 >> ATA / 100 bays and the 2 Optical bays are filled but the 2 ATA / 66 >> bays are empty. >> >> My question is will an ATA / 100 storage drive work in one of the ATA >> / 66 bays? I would like to put a 300 GB ATA / 100 dstorage drive in >> one of the bays. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Dan A. Currie, Jr. > Yes you can use any ATA ( IDE ) drive with out problems. > you CAN NOT use the newer STAT drives without a new card ( STAT ) > > have a nice day > Michael Koch > mkoch@ncwcom.com You're right, but that should be SATA, for Serial ATA. keith whaley From aperry at eznet.net Fri May 9 07:17:33 2008 From: aperry at eznet.net (aperry@eznet.net) Date: Fri May 9 07:17:40 2008 Subject: [G4] replying to posts Message-ID: <49945.67.240.218.253.1210342653.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> Hi, everyone. I need to know how to reply to a post here. I posted my question, and I received some replies, but when I try to reply to the reply, my message bounces back and says something like "needs moderator approval" so I know I'm not doing it right. I tried copying and pasting. That didn't work. Sorry for being so lame-brained. Aggie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From gifutiger at gmail.com Fri May 9 07:44:05 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri May 9 07:44:29 2008 Subject: [G4] What type of drive will work? In-Reply-To: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> References: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <22D01345-6E11-46A3-9F78-5E13CB167715@gmail.com> On May 9, 2008, at 4:47 AM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello All, > > My MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 GB and 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE > 7.2 / OS X.4.11 is losing one of its drives. > > According to the manual it can handle 6 drive / storage devices. The > 2 ATA / 100 bays and the 2 Optical bays are filled but the 2 ATA / > 66 bays are empty. > > My question is will an ATA / 100 storage drive work in one of the > ATA / 66 bays? I would like to put a 300 GB ATA / 100 dstorage > drive in one of the bays. > > Thank you, > > Dan A. Currie, Jr. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 Greetings ( + )!( + ) All ATA/IDE drives should work in the ATA/66 interface, its just that they will be slower i.e. the interface is 34% slower than the ATA/100 interface. However if you should obtain an ATA/PCI interface card the I/O to an from the drive should be much faster. Harry ---------------------------------------------------- From gifutiger at gmail.com Fri May 9 07:48:33 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Fri May 9 07:48:51 2008 Subject: [G4] replying to posts In-Reply-To: <49945.67.240.218.253.1210342653.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> References: <49945.67.240.218.253.1210342653.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> Message-ID: <43F6181C-99F4-42B3-953C-880AEAB812B5@gmail.com> Greetings Aggie ( + )!( + ) More than likely your reply is larger than the posting size that is allowed for unapproved posting. What you might have to do is remove some of the posting to which you are responding. Harry ---------------------------------------------------- On May 9, 2008, at 7:17 AM, aperry@eznet.net wrote: > Hi, everyone. I need to know how to reply to a post here. I posted > my question, and I received some replies, but when I try to reply to > the reply, my message bounces back and says something like "needs > moderator approval" so I know I'm not doing it right. I tried > copying and pasting. That didn't work. Sorry for being so lame- > brained. > Aggie_______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From casamuels at gmail.com Fri May 9 08:32:10 2008 From: casamuels at gmail.com (Christina Samuels) Date: Fri May 9 08:32:35 2008 Subject: [G4] replying to posts Message-ID: <2a1dfa490805090832l50475e9br386fe7465829d59d@mail.gmail.com> I have trouble replying to posts because I registered on this list using my Gmail account, but my email client (Apple Mail) is linked to my Earthlink account. Therefore when I hit "reply," it looks like it's coming from " me@earthlink.net," that address is not registered, and it bounces back as "requiring moderator approval." The same thing happens when I try to post from the office -- if I hit reply, the computer opens up my work email address, which is also not registered. The only way I've gotten around it is just to start a new post in Gmail. But I figure I'll have to register here using my Earthlink address to get around this issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080509/6974a1af/attachment-0001.html From briang113 at pacbell.net Fri May 9 08:37:15 2008 From: briang113 at pacbell.net (B G) Date: Fri May 9 08:38:29 2008 Subject: [G4] replying to posts In-Reply-To: <49945.67.240.218.253.1210342653.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> References: <49945.67.240.218.253.1210342653.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> Message-ID: Depending on your email client you may need to look at default settings. Some clients default to RTF (Rich Text Format), which makes the message larger, try switching to plain text. BG On May 9, 2008, at 7:17 AM, aperry@eznet.net wrote: > Hi, everyone. I need to know how to reply to a post here. I posted > my question, and I received some replies, but when I try to reply to > the reply, my message bounces back and says something like "needs > moderator approval" so I know I'm not doing it right. I tried > copying and pasting. That didn't work. Sorry for being so lame- > brained. > Aggie_______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From alpoulin at cox.net Fri May 9 08:42:38 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Fri May 9 08:44:34 2008 Subject: [G4] Disks not mounting ???? In-Reply-To: <4823C506.7070805@frontiernet.net> References: <4823C506.7070805@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <09A00A54-2792-4FD9-B7C7-3C5F35B5983D@cox.net> Dan: If you do not receive a solution in this list, be aware that there are other lists with a very good groups of people at lowendmac.com . I suggest you post your problem to the g3-5 list which runs in google groups, but the original name of the list at the web site is "G- List." Find it at: http://lowendmac.com/lists/index.shtml I'm sure you already know that whatever partial success you have in recovery, do not write to those volumes until you know everything is in order and that you have perhaps made a backup copy on another drive. Also, it would be useful for folks to know the version of TechTool Pro you used, and exactly what "cleaning" you were doing. I hate to say this, but some experts recommend that we do not use recovery "tools" for defragmenting files and to use them only for known problems. Using them for 'defragmenting' is overkill, since OS X does a pretty good job of this, at least on boot drives and volumes. I'm not sure about external, non-boot drives. Until you get some expert advice, you might want to check out a couple other utilities on the web, DiskWarrior: http://alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html and Data Rescue: http://www.prosofteng.com/ You can read more about these at the Macworld web site, also at: http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=693649 which is one of the hits in a google search for "hard drive recovery macintosh." If you use one of these tools, make sure you get a version that can work with your Tiger OS and your non-intel machine. I hope this helps a little bit. Al Poulin On May 8, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello ALL, > > I was using TechTool Pro to do some serious cleaning on my MDD DUAL > 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 & 200 GB HD / OS X.4.11 and when I > restarted two partitions from one of my hard drives were no longer > on my desktop. I tried TTP again and they did not show up there, I > checked my About This Mac and they are listed but not mounted. I > then used Mac Disk Utility to Verify Disk it said they had to be > repaired but when I clicked Repair Disk it said they could not be > repaired. One stores all my music and the other all my document. > > I went to System profiler and somehow the Mount Point for the two > partitions have been lost. > > I know the names are /Volumes/DOCUMENTS and the other is /Volumes/ > MUSIC. > > Now where and how do I tell my computer to mount them. > > Thanks, > > Dan > > WDC WD2000BB-00FTA0: From alpoulin at cox.net Fri May 9 08:49:02 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Fri May 9 08:49:12 2008 Subject: [G4] What type of drive will work? In-Reply-To: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> References: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <0ACD37B6-A54C-4237-B74B-CB88B885187F@cox.net> Dan: Do you mean that the drive which you described in another post as being clobbered by TechTool Pro cannot be fixed by another recovery tool? Al Poulin On May 9, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Hello All, > > My MDD DUAL 1.25 MHz / 2 GB RAM / 120 GB and 200 GB HD / NETSCAPE > 7.2 / OS X.4.11 is losing one of its drives. > > According to the manual it can handle 6 drive / storage devices. The > 2 ATA / 100 bays and the 2 Optical bays are filled but the 2 ATA / > 66 bays are empty. > > My question is will an ATA / 100 storage drive work in one of the > ATA / 66 bays? I would like to put a 300 GB ATA / 100 dstorage > drive in one of the bays. > > Thank you, > > Dan A. Currie, Jr. > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From dancurr at frontiernet.net Fri May 9 10:12:31 2008 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A. Currie) Date: Fri May 9 10:12:44 2008 Subject: [G4] What type of drive will work? In-Reply-To: <0ACD37B6-A54C-4237-B74B-CB88B885187F@cox.net> References: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> <0ACD37B6-A54C-4237-B74B-CB88B885187F@cox.net> Message-ID: <482485FF.6020806@frontiernet.net> Al Poulin wrote: > Dan: > > Do you mean that the drive which you described in another post as > being clobbered by TechTool Pro cannot be fixed by another recovery tool? Al Poulin I am leaving the clobbered drive in place until I can get a 120 GB HD for one of the ATA / 66 bays and then I will transfer what I can to the 120 and try and salvage the Documents from the other drive. Seems logical and simple ... other ideas?? I have not yet tried one of the commercial tools like Data Rescue yet ... but I may have to. Dan From richspk at gmail.com Fri May 9 12:14:56 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Fri May 9 12:15:19 2008 Subject: [G4] replying to posts In-Reply-To: <49945.67.240.218.253.1210342653.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> References: <49945.67.240.218.253.1210342653.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> Message-ID: <00fe01c8b208$fbd7b740$37d816ac@hologic.corp> I'm not sure what the solution is, especially because your email below went to the list. Why wouldn't replies? Are your replies attaching a different From: header than your new messages? I've never seen that happen, so the answer is probably elsewhere. You're using Squirrelmail web-mail, right? -- Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: aperry@eznet.net > > Hi, everyone. I need to know how to reply to a post here. I > posted my question, and I received some replies, but when I > try to reply to the reply, my message bounces back and says > something like "needs moderator approval" so I know I'm not > doing it right. I tried copying and pasting. That didn't > work. Sorry for being so lame-brained. > Aggie > From richspk at gmail.com Fri May 9 12:20:04 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Richard Klein) Date: Fri May 9 12:20:21 2008 Subject: [G4] replying to posts In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490805090832l50475e9br386fe7465829d59d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490805090832l50475e9br386fe7465829d59d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011101c8b209$b0aac310$37d816ac@hologic.corp> Christina, You can subscribe your Earthlink address to the list and then set it for no mail delivery, so the list will accept email from the earthlink address, but will only send emails to the gmail address. -- Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Christina Samuels > > I have trouble replying to posts because I registered on this > list using my Gmail account, but my email client (Apple Mail) > is linked to my Earthlink account. Therefore when I hit > "reply," it looks like it's coming from "me@earthlink.net," > that address is not registered, and it bounces back as > "requiring moderator approval." The same thing happens when I > try to post from the office -- if I hit reply, the computer > opens up my work email address, which is also not registered. > > The only way I've gotten around it is just to start a new > post in Gmail. But I figure I'll have to register here using > my Earthlink address to get around this issue. > > From olereggie at yahoo.com Fri May 9 13:33:07 2008 From: olereggie at yahoo.com (Reginald O'Brikis) Date: Fri May 9 13:33:21 2008 Subject: [G4] Driver update problems Message-ID: <779613.11210.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just purchased am-audio revolution 5.1 PCI sound card for my G4 quicksilver 800 2002,while install the drivers from the cd after it said to restart.When I try to restart it goes so far and then freezes up.How do I uninstall the drivers If the think is frozen up? Reginald O'Brikis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080509/04b36ec2/attachment.html From braincellmultimedia at rogers.com Fri May 9 13:42:47 2008 From: braincellmultimedia at rogers.com (Tony Gamble) Date: Fri May 9 13:43:12 2008 Subject: [G4] Driver update problems In-Reply-To: <779613.11210.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <779613.11210.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BE03D9A-55D5-4638-9716-F0547CE33D99@rogers.com> Hold down the shift key while starting up to boot into Safe Mode; you'll know it's working when you see the startup screen with progress indicator also showing "Safe Boot". Be patient... it's a lot slower than a normal startup. Once you're booted, you can go ahead and remove those drivers. Personally, I never use install CD's to install drivers... they're almost always outdated by the time the product leaves the store. Go directly to the manufacturer's website and download the latest drivers from there. Here's the link: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support&tab=driver Hope this helps. Tony G. Ottawa, Canada On 9-May-08, at 4:33 PM, Reginald O'Brikis wrote: > Just purchased am-audio revolution 5.1 PCI sound card for my G4 > quicksilver 800 2002,while install the drivers from the cd after it > said to restart.When I try to restart it goes so far and then > freezes up.How do I uninstall the drivers If the think is frozen up? > > > Reginald O'Brikis > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080509/79c948cc/attachment-0001.html From jmsparks1 at verizon.net Fri May 9 16:16:48 2008 From: jmsparks1 at verizon.net (John Sparks) Date: Fri May 9 16:17:09 2008 Subject: [G4] Left-over Parts Message-ID: <1DB5D556-5000-4B3A-8D2A-6318E177CA64@verizon.net> Hi list: Do to the Demise of my G4, I have a few parts of no use to me. I have noticed a few comments on these items on the List. 1. Hi-Speed usb 2.0 PCI Card by IOGEAR. 2. SCSI Card 2906 by adfaptec. 3. A G4 Tray for 2 H/D # HH 805-2322-A ,G4/400 4. A G4-MDD Tray for 2 H/D # HH-805-3763-B Feel free to contact me off-line if interested in these Items Reasonable. 1 & 2 are new & not used due to demise of G4's From aperry at eznet.net Fri May 9 16:23:55 2008 From: aperry at eznet.net (aperry@eznet.net) Date: Fri May 9 16:24:12 2008 Subject: [G4] replying to posts Message-ID: <1947.67.240.218.253.1210375435.squirrel@webmail.eznet.net> Thanks, BG. I'll check out my options regarding text, but which address do I click on for my reply? Message ID, Macintoshguy, BG's email address,etc. How do I respond to the person who answered my post? Do I copy and paste as I did here? How do the posts and replies magically end up together and color coded with headings that say: Aggie wrote: BG wrote: I'm embarrassed to even ask the question. Depending on your email client you may need to look at default settings. Some clients default to RTF (Rich Text Format), which makes the message larger, try switching to plain text. BG From cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu Fri May 9 17:13:26 2008 From: cepheid at ssl.berkeley.edu (Amir 'CG' Caspi) Date: Fri May 9 17:13:40 2008 Subject: [G4] Left-over Parts In-Reply-To: <1DB5D556-5000-4B3A-8D2A-6318E177CA64@verizon.net> References: <1DB5D556-5000-4B3A-8D2A-6318E177CA64@verizon.net> Message-ID: Speaking of leftover parts... I've got a DP500 that I'd like to turn into a media server. It already is one, of sorts, running SlimServer and serving music off an external HD. However, I'd like to build it into a true server with internal drives. Does anyone happen to have a SATA (preferably) or IDE (otherwise) PCI (33MHz) card that would work in this machine, and can support 4 500GB drives? (I'll use OS X to run RAID-1+0 in software.) I'm also looking for a video card that can drive a 21" Dell monitor at its native resolution through DVI or ADC... that means an ATI Radeon 8000 or higher. (The OEM Rage128 Pro can only drive the monitor at its native resolution through VGA; through DVI, it maxes out at 1024x768.) Finally, I currently have 640MB of RAM in here but would love to beef it up to a gig or higher. If anyone has a SATA or IDE/ATA card, video card, and/or RAM (compatible with the DP500, of course) that they no longer need and would be willing to part with, please let me know. I'm happy to buy them from you although since I'm a graduate student with rather limited income (otherwise I wouldn't still be using an 8-year-old machine), the amount I can afford to spend isn't very high. Thanks in advance, regardless of the outcome. Have a great weekend, all. --- Amir From casamuels at gmail.com Fri May 9 18:01:16 2008 From: casamuels at gmail.com (Christina Samuels) Date: Fri May 9 18:01:28 2008 Subject: [G4] The mysterious missing "bong" Message-ID: <2a1dfa490805091801yed11b36yb7873fd7cfb37701@mail.gmail.com> The Mac was set on "mute." D'oh! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080509/4f6f6c0f/attachment.html From rcbuitron at speakeasy.net Fri May 9 20:21:33 2008 From: rcbuitron at speakeasy.net (Robert C. Buitron) Date: Fri May 9 20:21:57 2008 Subject: [G4] Left-over Parts In-Reply-To: References: <1DB5D556-5000-4B3A-8D2A-6318E177CA64@verizon.net> Message-ID: <482514BD.6050702@speakeasy.net> Amir 'CG' Caspi wrote: > Speaking of leftover parts... > > I've got a DP500 that I'd like to turn into a media server. It > already is one, of sorts, running SlimServer and serving music off an > external HD. However, I'd like to build it into a true server with > internal drives. > Does anyone happen to have a SATA (preferably) or IDE (otherwise) > PCI (33MHz) card that would work in this machine, and can support 4 500GB > drives? (I'll use OS X to run RAID-1+0 in software.) > I'm also looking for a video card that can drive a 21" Dell > monitor at its native resolution through DVI or ADC... that means an ATI > Radeon 8000 or higher. (The OEM Rage128 Pro can only drive the monitor at > its native resolution through VGA; through DVI, it maxes out at 1024x768.) > Finally, I currently have 640MB of RAM in here but would love to > beef it up to a gig or higher. > > If anyone has a SATA or IDE/ATA card, video card, and/or RAM (compatible > with the DP500, of course) that they no longer need and would be willing > to part with, please let me know. I'm happy to buy them from you although > since I'm a graduate student with rather limited income (otherwise I > wouldn't still be using an 8-year-old machine), the amount I can afford to > spend isn't very high. > I have a couple of items that may fit your request: ACard ? AEC6280M, PCI Ultra ATA/133 IDE Adaptor/Controller card. Extends GB capacity beyond 120GB in G4s. With Manual, Support CD, IDE Cable, Y-split Power cord, Screw x4, Hard disk mounting kit. I still have the original box. I used this card on a G4 MDD, 1.25GHz, OS10.4.x and 10.5.x, two 300GB HDs without a problem. RAM from Crucial, 512MB, 168-pin DIMM, 64M x 64 SDRAM PC133 non parity for MAC G4 Quicksilver 2002 dual processor. IDE cable connectors: 24 inch Ultra ATA IDE ribbon cable, 3 connector (80 pin) and 20 inch Ultra ATA IDE ribbon cable, 3 connector (80 pin). Feel free to contact me off line if interested. All items have been used and work. Reasonable. Rob From alpoulin at cox.net Sat May 10 08:22:09 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sat May 10 08:49:39 2008 Subject: [G4] What type of drive will work? In-Reply-To: <482485FF.6020806@frontiernet.net> References: <482439C6.6080900@frontiernet.net> <0ACD37B6-A54C-4237-B74B-CB88B885187F@cox.net> <482485FF.6020806@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On May 9, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Dan A. Currie wrote: > Al Poulin wrote: >> Dan: >> >> Do you mean that the drive which you described in another post as >> being clobbered by TechTool Pro cannot be fixed by another recovery >> tool? > Al Poulin > > I am leaving the clobbered drive in place until I can get a 120 GB > HD for one of the ATA / 66 bays and then I will transfer what I can > to the 120 and try and salvage the Documents from the other drive. > > Seems logical and simple ... other ideas?? > > I have not yet tried one of the commercial tools like Data Rescue > yet ... but I may have to. > > Dan Looks cool and calculated. Since you are taking time to do this, it should be worth your time to post the problem to the G-List (g3-5- list) at lowendmac.com . Good Luck Al Poulin From richspk at gmail.com Sat May 10 08:22:05 2008 From: richspk at gmail.com (Chaim The Squirrel Keeper) Date: Sat May 10 08:57:41 2008 Subject: [G4] The mysterious missing "bong" In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490805091801yed11b36yb7873fd7cfb37701@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490805091801yed11b36yb7873fd7cfb37701@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <69ce86c30805100822t6e2969a5od5765630d1622cb0@mail.gmail.com> Excellent! I'm glad you found the answer. I didn't even know you could mute the bong! -- Rich On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Christina Samuels wrote: > The Mac was set on "mute." D'oh! From eric-s-smith at comcast.net Sat May 10 11:29:01 2008 From: eric-s-smith at comcast.net (Eric Smith) Date: Sat May 10 11:29:11 2008 Subject: [G4] The mysterious missing "bong" In-Reply-To: <2a1dfa490805091801yed11b36yb7873fd7cfb37701@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a1dfa490805091801yed11b36yb7873fd7cfb37701@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4825E96D.6090605@comcast.net> Good news. It looks like you are getting closer to having a working G4 system. Eric Christina Samuels wrote: > The Mac was set on "mute." D'oh! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From t_sheeley at hotmail.com Tue May 13 09:52:54 2008 From: t_sheeley at hotmail.com (Tony Sheeley) Date: Tue May 13 09:53:15 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 upgrades In-Reply-To: <1DB5D556-5000-4B3A-8D2A-6318E177CA64@verizon.net> References: <1DB5D556-5000-4B3A-8D2A-6318E177CA64@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hello, I have an old G4 Dual 450 which I have been trying to upgrade, but I'm finding too expensive for my budget. I've been offered a used but fully functional Power Mac G4 (from a Mirrored Drive Door) Dual 1.25GHz Processor Card Apple Reference: 661-2707 What is the lowest spec machine I could get (off ebay etc) that this would work with? _________________________________________________________________ Win Indiana Jones prizes with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080513/4d704708/attachment.html From ewood at izoom.net Tue May 13 10:53:00 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (ewood@izoom.net) Date: Tue May 13 10:53:11 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 upgrades In-Reply-To: References: <1DB5D556-5000-4B3A-8D2A-6318E177CA64@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49284.141.78.232.128.1210701180.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> > > Hello, > > I have an old G4 Dual 450 which I have been trying to upgrade, but I'm > finding too expensive for my budget. > > I've been offered a used but fully functional Power Mac G4 (from a > Mirrored Drive Door) Dual 1.25GHz Processor Card > > Apple Reference: 661-2707 > > What is the lowest spec machine I could get (off ebay etc) that this would > work with? Heck, that might well work with your current G4 system, though I'm not sure about firmware requirements. Might need some kind of update, perhaps from a third party such as OWC, though I think that would be mainly for the L3 cache. The model of G4 is very likely compatible, based on what I've seen. Eric W. From senseamp at yahoo.com Tue May 13 12:39:35 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Tue May 13 12:40:56 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 upgrades In-Reply-To: <49284.141.78.232.128.1210701180.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> Message-ID: <738727.20967.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think it's harder than that. First the physical configuration: I had to do a lot of mods to get a QS 733MHz cpu to work in a Sawtooth. Remove the DVD/zip ata connector for one, hack the heatsink in half for seconds. Then there is the bus speeds: I had to desolder and resolder the multiplier links so my cpu is now running at 800MHz on a 100MHz bus. Even if you get a cheap barebones MDD, you will still want more drives, and more ram, and better video card and .... I'm sure there are easier approaches. Have you considered a Mac mini? :-) I'm all for keep old equipment going but unless it's a hobby be careful how you spend your cash... John --- On Tue, 5/13/08, ewood@izoom.net wrote: > From: ewood@izoom.net > Subject: Re: [G4] G4 upgrades > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 12:53 PM > > > > Hello, > > > > I have an old G4 Dual 450 which I have been trying to > upgrade, but I'm > > finding too expensive for my budget. > > > > I've been offered a used but fully functional > Power Mac G4 (from a > > Mirrored Drive Door) Dual 1.25GHz Processor Card > > > > Apple Reference: 661-2707 > > > > What is the lowest spec machine I could get (off ebay > etc) that this would > > work with? > > Heck, that might well work with your current G4 system, > though I'm not > sure about firmware requirements. Might need some kind of > update, perhaps > from a third party such as OWC, though I think that would > be mainly for > the L3 cache. The model of G4 is very likely compatible, > based on what > I've seen. > > Eric W. > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From perry.mitchell at gmail.com Wed May 14 01:08:03 2008 From: perry.mitchell at gmail.com (Perry Mitchell) Date: Wed May 14 01:08:08 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 upgrades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <020701c8b599$a393df20$0200000a@perrywin> I upgraded mine with a PowerLogix twin proc 1.2GHz board. It was a straight swap and doesn't need any fancy drivers. It was sold at around $200 as a clear-out but you may be able to find it on E-bay. I wanted to be able to run FCP6 and I have lots of extras in this chassis so for me it was worth it. The bigger problem is finding a video card that will run 'Core Graphics', especially if you want the Apple ADC interface. You need to trust a vendor who mods existing boards. The basic problem is that your DP450 only has the original AGP slot, and the 'Core Graphic' supporting boards need 2x or 4x. Other upgrades are mundane - you can add 2 extra HDD (160GB max each) with existing hardware and any modern DVD drive will fit and work. Ironically (for me) I had just finished upgrading (finally getting a video card from Hong Kong) when I was given a working MDD G4! FWIW Perry Mitchell ________________________________________ From: Tony Sheeley I have an old G4 Dual 450 which I have been trying to upgrade, but I'm finding too expensive for my budget. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 05/05/2008 06:01 From t_sheeley at hotmail.com Wed May 14 04:57:13 2008 From: t_sheeley at hotmail.com (Tony Sheeley) Date: Wed May 14 04:57:23 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 upgrades In-Reply-To: <738727.20967.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <49284.141.78.232.128.1210701180.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> <738727.20967.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I understand what you're saying. My idea was to get a lower (possibly the lowest) sp'ec MDD that this card would work with. One that didn't require soldering etc. Two fairly large internal, and at least one external hd would be adequate. I planned to use the 1.5GB of ram from the dual 450(if possible) to added to the ram in the secondhand MDD. Graphics really isn't too much of a concern as I plan to use this 'new' machine for music production. I do a bit of video editing, but not too the point that I need anything more than I already have. I don't know anything about the Mac mini and if I would be able to add my sound card, usb/firewire card(for externals) etc. That's why I got the G4 (it is a tower with expansion space). But from the research I have done so far, it doesn't look like I can update a Dual 450 without considerable expense. > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:39:35 -0700 > From: senseamp@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [G4] G4 upgrades > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > Even if you get a cheap barebones MDD, you will still want more drives, and more ram, and better video card and .... > I'm sure there are easier approaches. Have you considered a Mac mini? :-) > > I'm all for keep old equipment going but unless it's a hobby be careful how you spend your cash... > > John > > > From: ewood@izoom.net > > Subject: Re: [G4] G4 upgrades > > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > > Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 12:53 PM > > > > > Heck, that might well work with your current G4 system, > > though I'm not > > sure about firmware requirements. Might need some kind of > > update, perhaps > > from a third party such as OWC, though I think that would > > be mainly for > > the L3 cache. The model of G4 is very likely compatible, > > based on what > > I've seen. > > > > Eric W. _________________________________________________________________ Win Indiana Jones prizes with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080514/0a3deb07/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed May 14 06:37:36 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed May 14 06:37:44 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 upgrades In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <228199.51510.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Tony, I'm also interested in music production on the cheap. I actually have a dual 450Mhz G4 also that I use with a Digidesign Audiomedia III sound card and ProTools. I started with a Audiomedia II NUBUS card in a Quadra 950 :-) which I still have. It's stuffed with SCSI drives and performs very well (33MHz 68040!). I think that card has great analogue electronics. I used that system mostly for digitising LP's. I bought the AM3 pci card on eBay and really built my current system around that. I have to use Panther and ProTools 6 (point something) because at some point Digidesign stopped supporting the AM3. So it's a kind of balancing act to use the latest s/w and os that one can get away with. If this is relevant then I can get you all the details latter. I also use an ATTO UL3S SCSI card (because it's qualified for use with ProTools by Digidesign) and a couple of fast SCSI drives. I think this helps speed up the system by reducing the load on the cpu's. I have an upgraded (flashed PC) video card so I can run dual 17" LCD monitors. The extra desktop area really helps when running ProTools. A couple of second-hand LCD doesn't cost that much but IMHO is a much better investment than the typical cpu upgrade. For straight sound recording and midi sequencing (which is what I do) I don't think you need as much horsepower as video applications (for example). However if you want to also use software synthesizers and complex effects then that changes. I have started using Ableton Live, since I have found ProTools to lack creatively and am having trouble with that. Sadly this has coincided with my having to confiscate my sons gaming PC from him (it's a long story). So instead of wondering where I can get the money for a MacBook pro, I have re-housed it in a 4U rack case and put a second AM3 in it. It is now running Live through the AM3. With an Core duo 2 cpu, 2Gb ram, NV 7900GS graphics card and dual SATA drives it's very fast! So after years of being a Mac fan I find myself now using a PC :-( Windows XP really sucks when you don't know what you are doing. However, I'm ONLY using that PC for this one application, so maybe I will keep my sanity that way. So what is your sound card? That seems to be the only thing that can't be done with a Mac-mini :-) The modern approach is to use a usb or firewire connected audio interface which the mini could handle. The G4's 1.5Gb ram will not be usable in a MDD. John --- On Wed, 5/14/08, Tony Sheeley wrote: > From: Tony Sheeley > Subject: RE: [G4] G4 upgrades > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 6:57 AM > I understand what you're saying. My idea was to get a > lower (possibly the lowest) sp'ec MDD that this card > would work with. One that didn't require soldering > etc. > > Two fairly large internal, and at least one external hd > would be adequate. I planned to use the 1.5GB of ram from > the dual 450(if possible) to added to the ram in the > secondhand MDD. Graphics really isn't too much of a > concern as I plan to use this 'new' machine for > music production. I do a bit of video editing, but not too > the point that I need anything more than I already have. I > don't know anything about the Mac mini and if I would > be able to add my sound card, usb/firewire card(for > externals) etc. That's why I got the G4 (it is a tower > with expansion space). But from the research I have done so > far, it doesn't look like I can update a Dual 450 > without considerable expense. > > > > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:39:35 -0700 > > From: senseamp@yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [G4] G4 upgrades > > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > > Even if you get a cheap barebones MDD, you will still > want more drives, and more ram, and better video card and > .... > > I'm sure there are easier approaches. Have you > considered a Mac mini? :-) > > > > I'm all for keep old equipment going but unless > it's a hobby be careful how you spend your cash... > > > > John From emaxxx4 at warpmail.net Wed May 14 16:20:32 2008 From: emaxxx4 at warpmail.net (Eric Buczynski) Date: Wed May 14 16:20:43 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? Message-ID: <138D1584-4C18-491C-B796-197F0BA33294@warpmail.net> Hey all. I checked my archived list of emails regarding this but I couldn't find the answer to this. I just bought a G4 Sawtooth for my bud who is fairly new to computers. I have leftover RAM from my G4 Digital Audio that uses PC133 RAM, while the Sawtooth uses PC100 RAM. Would adding the PC133 RAM in the Sawtooth cause any problems at all? I appreciate your help. Eric Buczynski From alpoulin at cox.net Wed May 14 16:51:12 2008 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Wed May 14 16:51:31 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? In-Reply-To: <138D1584-4C18-491C-B796-197F0BA33294@warpmail.net> References: <138D1584-4C18-491C-B796-197F0BA33294@warpmail.net> Message-ID: <7DA88423-7133-4134-B645-CD0C1241F077@cox.net> On May 14, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Eric Buczynski wrote: > Hey all. I checked my archived list of emails regarding this but I > couldn't find the answer to this. I just bought a G4 Sawtooth for my > bud who is fairly new to computers. I have leftover RAM from my G4 > Digital Audio that uses PC133 RAM, while the Sawtooth uses PC100 > RAM. Would adding the PC133 RAM in the Sawtooth cause any problems > at all? I appreciate your help. > > Eric Buczynski > _____________ No problems. Check it out here: http://www.crucial.com/ and here: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/ Al Poulin From gifutiger at gmail.com Wed May 14 18:14:32 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed May 14 18:15:41 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? In-Reply-To: <138D1584-4C18-491C-B796-197F0BA33294@warpmail.net> References: <138D1584-4C18-491C-B796-197F0BA33294@warpmail.net> Message-ID: Greeting Eric, Should work, however the PC133 RAM will run at the same speed as PC100 RAM because PC100 RAM is the fastest RAM that the buss can use. ---------------------------------------------------- On May 14, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Eric Buczynski wrote: > Hey all. I checked my archived list of emails regarding this but I > couldn't find the answer to this. I just bought a G4 Sawtooth for my > bud who is fairly new to computers. I have leftover RAM from my G4 > Digital Audio that uses PC133 RAM, while the Sawtooth uses PC100 > RAM. Would adding the PC133 RAM in the Sawtooth cause any problems > at all? I appreciate your help. > > Eric Buczynski > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From cdt at globaldsl.net Wed May 14 18:32:25 2008 From: cdt at globaldsl.net (C D T) Date: Wed May 14 18:33:16 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? In-Reply-To: References: <138D1584-4C18-491C-B796-197F0BA33294@warpmail.net> Message-ID: Someone please nail me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the bus speed is the limiting factor. Even in a machine that has a faster bus speed and can use faster memory, the machine can only work at the speed of the slowest memory module installed. That is why you usually don't mix speeds. PC133 is generally backward compatible and will function in PC100 spec'd computers - but at the slower speed. Dan On May 14, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > Greeting Eric, > > Should work, however the PC133 RAM will run at the same speed as PC100 > RAM because PC100 RAM is the fastest RAM that the buss can use. > ---------------------------------------------------- > > On May 14, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Eric Buczynski wrote: > >> Hey all. I checked my archived list of emails regarding this but I >> couldn't find the answer to this. I just bought a G4 Sawtooth for my >> bud who is fairly new to computers. I have leftover RAM from my G4 >> Digital Audio that uses PC133 RAM, while the Sawtooth uses PC100 RAM. >> Would adding the PC133 RAM in the Sawtooth cause any problems at all? >> I appreciate your help. >> >> Eric Buczynski >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > From nagable at comcast.net Wed May 14 18:51:10 2008 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Wed May 14 18:51:29 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? Message-ID: <051520080151.20995.482B970E000589110000520322155538940A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> That is correct. You CAN mix RAM speeds, but the logic board will dumb the faster speed down to that of the slower speed. PC133 can be used in any G4. Nate -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: C D T > Someone please nail me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the bus speed is > the limiting factor. Even in a machine that has a faster bus speed and > can use faster memory, the machine can only work at the speed of the > slowest memory module installed. That is why you usually don't mix > speeds. PC133 is generally backward compatible and will function in > PC100 spec'd computers - but at the slower speed. > > Dan > From adamss99 at bellsouth.net Wed May 14 18:58:28 2008 From: adamss99 at bellsouth.net (Steve Adams) Date: Wed May 14 18:58:42 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? In-Reply-To: References: <138D1584-4C18-491C-B796-197F0BA33294@warpmail.net> Message-ID: <41E399AA-263C-4D66-9AE4-DB5BFCD9712F@bellsouth.net> You are right. In fact, a 100 MHz bus should work at speeds upwards of 250-300 MHz or you're going to have problems at 100 MHz. The speed is a hardware issue dealing with handshaking between processor, memory chips, and peripheral chips on the same bus. The bus will work no faster than the slowest device on the bus. The speed is generally limited by the processor or the memory chips. A PC133 RAM on a 100 MHz is a good thing because the data will be ready on the bus faster, with less chances of an error by the time the processor is ready to read the data. Steve Adams On May 14, 2008, at 9:32 PM, C D T wrote: > Someone please nail me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the bus speed > is the limiting factor. Even in a machine that has a faster bus > speed and can use faster memory, the machine can only work at the > speed of the slowest memory module installed. That is why you > usually don't mix speeds. PC133 is generally backward compatible > and will function in PC100 spec'd computers - but at the slower speed. > > Dan > > > On May 14, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > >> Greeting Eric, >> >> Should work, however the PC133 RAM will run at the same speed as >> PC100 RAM because PC100 RAM is the fastest RAM that the buss can use. >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> On May 14, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Eric Buczynski wrote: >> >>> Hey all. I checked my archived list of emails regarding this but I >>> couldn't find the answer to this. I just bought a G4 Sawtooth for >>> my bud who is fairly new to computers. I have leftover RAM from my >>> G4 Digital Audio that uses PC133 RAM, while the Sawtooth uses >>> PC100 RAM. Would adding the PC133 RAM in the Sawtooth cause any >>> problems at all? I appreciate your help. >>> >>> Eric Buczynski >>> _______________________________________________ >>> G4 mailing list >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 >> > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed May 14 20:44:56 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed May 14 20:45:26 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? In-Reply-To: <41E399AA-263C-4D66-9AE4-DB5BFCD9712F@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <466225.19797.qm@web51104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm really having problems with this thread now! It's been a while since I worked on memories but they do not have "clocks" onboard. Rather clocks are supplied by the system bus to the RAM which then responds to a read or write request. The speed of the RAM is defined by how fast you can clock it and still get proper operation. Therefore a 100MHz memory bus clocks at 100MHz and does not care what the speed rating of the memories attached to it are: they either work at that speed or not. PC100 type ram is tested to work at bus speeds of up to 100MHz. PC133 ram is tested to work on buses up to 133MHz so running it on a 100MHz bus will definitely work. A 100MHz bus, however, will NOT speed up to 133MHZ just because you put PC133 ram in the slot! OK? John --- On Wed, 5/14/08, Steve Adams wrote: > From: Steve Adams > Subject: Re: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? > To: "A place to discuss Apple's G4 computers." > Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 8:58 PM > You are right. In fact, a 100 MHz bus should work at speeds > upwards of > 250-300 MHz or you're going to have problems at 100 > MHz. The speed is > a hardware issue dealing with handshaking between > processor, memory > chips, and peripheral chips on the same bus. The bus will > work no > faster than the slowest device on the bus. The speed is > generally > limited by the processor or the memory chips. A PC133 RAM > on a 100 MHz > is a good thing because the data will be ready on the bus > faster, with > less chances of an error by the time the processor is ready > to read > the data. > > Steve Adams > > > > > > > On May 14, 2008, at 9:32 PM, C D T wrote: > > > Someone please nail me if I'm wrong, but I > don't think the bus speed > > is the limiting factor. Even in a machine that has a > faster bus > > speed and can use faster memory, the machine can only > work at the > > speed of the slowest memory module installed. That is > why you > > usually don't mix speeds. PC133 is generally > backward compatible > > and will function in PC100 spec'd computers - but > at the slower speed. > > > > Dan > > > > > > On May 14, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Harry Freeman wrote: > > > >> Greeting Eric, > >> > >> Should work, however the PC133 RAM will run at the > same speed as > >> PC100 RAM because PC100 RAM is the fastest RAM > that the buss can use. > >> > ---------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> On May 14, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Eric Buczynski wrote: > >> > >>> Hey all. I checked my archived list of emails > regarding this but I > >>> couldn't find the answer to this. I just > bought a G4 Sawtooth for > >>> my bud who is fairly new to computers. I have > leftover RAM from my > >>> G4 Digital Audio that uses PC133 RAM, while > the Sawtooth uses > >>> PC100 RAM. Would adding the PC133 RAM in the > Sawtooth cause any > >>> problems at all? I appreciate your help. > >>> > >>> Eric Buczynski > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> G4 mailing list > >>> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >>> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> G4 mailing list > >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > G4 mailing list > > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From emaxxx4 at warpmail.net Wed May 14 21:16:09 2008 From: emaxxx4 at warpmail.net (Eric Buczynski) Date: Wed May 14 21:15:59 2008 Subject: [G4] Bus speed limits Message-ID: <1035003C-973D-4D4D-A222-1CE620E63CF4@warpmail.net> Thanks for the answers regarding PC133 RAM in a PC100 limited bus. Now, would the same thing apply to a G4 533 mhz processor from a Digital Audio on a 450 mhz Sawtooth? I'd like to give him my old processor, as long as it doesn't cause any harm to the computer. I checked the Low End Mac website and saw the difference in bus speeds. I'm not concerned about a higher bus speed but rather just making sure the Mac I set up for him is stable enough. He doesn't plan to play games on it but he wants to get on the internet, download photos, and photo manipulation. Is the 533mhz processor possible on the slower Mac? Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080515/746da8bd/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Wed May 14 21:31:41 2008 From: senseamp at yahoo.com (John Niven) Date: Wed May 14 21:31:56 2008 Subject: [G4] Bus speed limits In-Reply-To: <1035003C-973D-4D4D-A222-1CE620E63CF4@warpmail.net> Message-ID: <833145.43344.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hah, hah! Good follow-up question! 533 divided by 133 = 4 that means that the 533 processor multiples the bus speed by 4 to get its clock. 450 divided by 100 = 4.5 that means the 450 processor module multiples the bus speed by 4.5 to get its clock. Replace the 450 cpu with a 533 cpu and it will run at 4 times 100 which is 400MHz. A downgrade! You would need to change the jumpers on the 533 module to 5 or 5.5 times to get back the clock speed. This would require soldering. John (running a 733 in a 350 by changing the jumpers from 5.5 to 8.0 giving a 800MHz Sawtooth)! --- On Wed, 5/14/08, Eric Buczynski wrote: > From: Eric Buczynski > Subject: [G4] Bus speed limits > To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 11:16 PM > Thanks for the answers regarding PC133 RAM in a PC100 > limited bus. > > Now, would the same thing apply to a G4 533 mhz processor > from a > Digital Audio on a 450 mhz Sawtooth? I'd like to give > him my old > processor, as long as it doesn't cause any harm to the > computer. I > checked the Low End Mac website and saw the difference in > bus speeds. > I'm not concerned about a higher bus speed but rather > just making > sure the Mac I set up for him is stable enough. He > doesn't plan to > play games on it but he wants to get on the internet, > download > photos, and photo manipulation. Is the 533mhz processor > possible on > the slower Mac? > > Eric_______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From gifutiger at gmail.com Wed May 14 23:07:30 2008 From: gifutiger at gmail.com (Harry Freeman) Date: Wed May 14 23:08:04 2008 Subject: [G4] Bus speed limits In-Reply-To: <833145.43344.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <833145.43344.qm@web51110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greeting ( + )!( + ) Which means, in other words, if you are going to change the jumpers on the processor module then you may as well change the jumpers on the current module and achieve a higher speed. For information regarding G4 Sawtooth Overclocking see; http://power-mac-g4.com/g4clockup.html This page has all of the information for changing the jumpers and the 450 MHz processor should take overclocking to a speed of about 500 MHz without destroying itself. Best regards, Harry ---------------------------------------------------- On May 14, 2008, at 9:31 PM, John Niven wrote: > Hah, hah! > > Good follow-up question! > > 533 divided by 133 = 4 > > that means that the 533 processor multiples the bus speed by 4 to > get its clock. > > 450 divided by 100 = 4.5 > > that means the 450 processor module multiples the bus speed by 4.5 > to get its clock. > > Replace the 450 cpu with a 533 cpu and it will run at 4 times 100 > which is 400MHz. A downgrade! > > You would need to change the jumpers on the 533 module to 5 or 5.5 > times to get back the clock speed. This would require soldering. > > John (running a 733 in a 350 by changing the jumpers from 5.5 to 8.0 > giving a 800MHz Sawtooth)! > > > > > --- On Wed, 5/14/08, Eric Buczynski wrote: > >> From: Eric Buczynski >> Subject: [G4] Bus speed limits >> To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008, 11:16 PM >> Thanks for the answers regarding PC133 RAM in a PC100 >> limited bus. >> >> Now, would the same thing apply to a G4 533 mhz processor >> from a >> Digital Audio on a 450 mhz Sawtooth? I'd like to give >> him my old >> processor, as long as it doesn't cause any harm to the >> computer. I >> checked the Low End Mac website and saw the difference in >> bus speeds. >> I'm not concerned about a higher bus speed but rather >> just making >> sure the Mac I set up for him is stable enough. He >> doesn't plan to >> play games on it but he wants to get on the internet, >> download >> photos, and photo manipulation. Is the 533mhz processor >> possible on >> the slower Mac? >> >> Eric_______________________________________________ >> G4 mailing list >> G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 From ronsteinke at mac.com Thu May 15 01:48:54 2008 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Thu May 15 01:49:08 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? In-Reply-To: <051520080151.20995.482B970E000589110000520322155538940A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> References: <051520080151.20995.482B970E000589110000520322155538940A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 14 May, 2008, at 6:51 PM, nagable@comcast.net wrote: > PC133 can be used in any G4. WRONG, oh so wrong. Check out a 2003 G4 MDD model that uses PC2700 only (and a couple other model G4s, also). From t_sheeley at hotmail.com Thu May 15 02:14:12 2008 From: t_sheeley at hotmail.com (Tony Sheeley) Date: Thu May 15 02:17:36 2008 Subject: [G4] G4 upgrades In-Reply-To: <228199.51510.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <228199.51510.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > From: senseamp@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [G4] G4 upgrades> To: g4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> > Hi Tony,Hello John > So what is your sound card? I use an M-Audio Delta-1010. >The G4's 1.5Gb ram will not be usable in a MDD.Why won't the memory be usable here? > I also use an ATTO UL3S SCSI card Tell me more about this? I just purchased a scsi card off ebay, as I would like to use Recycle with my hardware sampler. I don't know if I can, but I'd like to give it a try. > I have an upgraded (flashed PC) video card so I can run dual 17" LCD monitors.I'm looking into this same thing. I've seen a few fairly cheap on ebay. I've also seen one, (I can't remember the model right now) that is carried by PCWorld, that is supposed to be able to be flashed. I'm going to at least look into this. > For straight sound recording and midi sequencing (which is what I do) I don't think you need as much >horsepower as video applications (for example). This is pretty much what I do, but I am now venturing into soft synth/effects. I mainly work in midi(hardware), but also record vocals. For the stuff I do, I'm looking at using software for timestretching/pitchshifting harmonies etc.. This can take a bit of horsepower. >I find myself now using a PC :-( Windows XP really sucks when you don't know what you are doing. I've been a die-hard PC user for many, many years. XP sucks even when you do know what you are doing. Vista is worse.I picked up the Dual 450 really cheap a while back, and was hoping to be able to slowly upgrade it into something which could be of 'real' use. But my research says I won't be able to. So, now I'm looking to see if there is another old workhorse that can be upgraded without breaking the bank. Especially as everybody seems to have jumped on the G5 / Intell bandwagon. Tony _________________________________________________________________ Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080515/4c398a1c/attachment-0001.html From ewood at izoom.net Thu May 15 03:09:16 2008 From: ewood at izoom.net (ewood@izoom.net) Date: Thu May 15 07:22:40 2008 Subject: [G4] Bus speed limits In-Reply-To: <1035003C-973D-4D4D-A222-1CE620E63CF4@warpmail.net> References: <1035003C-973D-4D4D-A222-1CE620E63CF4@warpmail.net> Message-ID: <2862.141.78.1.17.1210846156.squirrel@mail.izoom.net> > Thanks for the answers regarding PC133 RAM in a PC100 limited bus. > > Now, would the same thing apply to a G4 533 mhz processor from a > Digital Audio on a 450 mhz Sawtooth? I'd like to give him my old > processor, as long as it doesn't cause any harm to the computer. I > checked the Low End Mac website and saw the difference in bus speeds. > I'm not concerned about a higher bus speed but rather just making > sure the Mac I set up for him is stable enough. He doesn't plan to > play games on it but he wants to get on the internet, download > photos, and photo manipulation. Is the 533mhz processor possible on > the slower Mac? Why not just give him the Digital Audio? Not working at all? Eric W. From jomph at xs4all.nl Thu May 15 04:38:25 2008 From: jomph at xs4all.nl (J.M.P.Hissel) Date: Thu May 15 07:43:53 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? In-Reply-To: <051520080151.20995.482B970E000589110000520322155538940A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 15-05-2008 03:51, nagable@comcast.net, nagable@comcast.net, wrote: > PC133 can be used in any G4. Sorry, but that's not true. The MDD's need PC-2100 or PC-2700 184-pin DDR SDRAM. PC100 or PC133 will even not fit, has 168-pin. Jo Hissel From fusekigames at briandeuel.com Thu May 15 05:29:58 2008 From: fusekigames at briandeuel.com (Brian Deuel) Date: Thu May 15 07:56:30 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? Message-ID: <1210854598.28835.1253311055@webmail.messagingengine.com> n Thu, 15 May 2008 01:48:54 -0700, "Ronald Steinke" said: > On 14 May, 2008, at 6:51 PM, nagable@comcast.net wrote: > > > PC133 can be used in any G4. > > WRONG, oh so wrong. Check out a 2003 G4 MDD model that uses PC2700 > only (and a couple other model G4s, also). My DP 1.25ghz MDD took PC3200s with no stability problems whatsoever. I think your millage may vary, though. Brian ---- Brian Deuel http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1.5 gig RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128meg Video Mac OS X 10 .5.2 and 10.4.11 Powerbook G3 Wallstreet 300mhz processor 512meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto ---- Brian Deuel http://www.briandeuel.com Powermac G4 Gigabit Ethernet "Mystic" 1.8 Ghz Sonnet Processor 1.5 gig RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128meg Video Mac OS X 10 .5.2 and 10.4.11 Powerbook G3 Wallstreet 300mhz processor 512meg RAM Mac OS X 10.4.11 via XPostFacto From nagable at comcast.net Thu May 15 07:52:07 2008 From: nagable at comcast.net (nagable@comcast.net) Date: Thu May 15 09:29:31 2008 Subject: [G4] PC133 RAM in PC100 slots? Message-ID: <051520081452.25806.482C4E170000F21E000064CE22165279660A040D0E090E02@comcast.net> Apologies. I wasn't thinking Mirrored Door or later. The reference was for Graphite/QuickSilver models. Nate -------------- Original message -------------- From: "J.M.P.Hissel" > On 15-05-2008 03:51, nagable@comcast.net, nagable@comcast.net, wrote: > > > PC133 can be used in any G4. > > Sorry, but that's not true. The MDD's need PC-2100 or PC-2700 184-pin DDR > SDRAM. > PC100 or PC133 will even not fit, has 168-pin. > > Jo Hissel > > > > _______________________________________________ > G4 mailing list > G4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/g4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/g4/attachments/20080515/c9059adc/attachment.html From senseamp at yahoo.com Thu May 15