From michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk Thu Nov 3 00:29:18 2005 From: michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP) Date: Thu Nov 3 00:33:53 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm Message-ID: <20051103083351.2A6F85876EB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> hi folks using: iMac G4 800Hz, OS 9.2.2, 384 Mb RAM, 40 Gb H/D (and a few years old) prob: recently, a few minutes after booting up I hear a humming whirring sound that starts fairly softly but builds up over the next half hour to quite an irritating and distracting racket; I presume this is the hard drive or a fan? Another otherwise identical friend's iMac is as quiet as a (silent) mouse. Is this something I should be concerned about? And, if so, what can I do to repair or ameliorate it? Any thoughts? thanks in anticipation michaelP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/homemac/attachments/20051103/47137568/attachment.html From tholland at san.rr.com Sat Nov 5 09:53:44 2005 From: tholland at san.rr.com (Thom Holland) Date: Sat Nov 5 09:53:52 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051103083351.2A6F85876EB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20051103083351.2A6F85876EB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <436CF1A8.3050301@san.rr.com> Michael, It sure is something to be concerned about. You need to make a backup and replace the hard drive if you have not already done so. I don't remember, does your machine have a firewire port. Most likely not. If not, get an external USB drive and copy over all your data files, then replace the HD. If you can afford it, I would get a newer Mac, even a used one; preferably something running OSX. That would be the most cost effective thing to do. Thom michaelP wrote: > hi folks > > using: > > *iMac G4 800Hz, OS 9.2.2, 384 Mb RAM, 40 Gb H/D (and a few years old) > * > prob: > > recently, a few minutes after booting up I hear a humming whirring > sound that starts fairly softly but builds up over the next half hour > to quite an irritating and distracting racket; I presume this is the > hard drive or a fan? Another otherwise identical friend's iMac is as > quiet as a (silent) mouse. Is this something I should be concerned > about? And, if so, what can I do to repair or ameliorate it? Any thoughts? > > thanks in anticipation > > michaelP From janesprando at comcast.net Sat Nov 5 21:24:48 2005 From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando) Date: Sat Nov 5 21:24:52 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: <436CF1A8.3050301@san.rr.com> Message-ID: I have been wondering if this list is still active! This is the first post I have seen in months. I didn't even get Michael's original message, but your reply Thom! I have the same iMac and it does have a firewire port. Jane > From: Thom Holland > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." > > Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 09:53:44 -0800 > To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." > > Subject: Re: [HM] hummmmmm > > Michael, > > It sure is something to be concerned about. You need to make a backup > and replace the hard drive if you have not already done so. I don't > remember, does your machine have a firewire port. Most likely not. If > not, get an external USB drive and copy over all your data files, then > replace the HD. > > If you can afford it, I would get a newer Mac, even a used one; > preferably something running OSX. That would be the most cost effective > thing to do. > > Thom > > > michaelP wrote: > >> hi folks >> >> using: >> >> *iMac G4 800Hz, OS 9.2.2, 384 Mb RAM, 40 Gb H/D (and a few years old) >> * >> prob: >> >> recently, a few minutes after booting up I hear a humming whirring >> sound that starts fairly softly but builds up over the next half hour >> to quite an irritating and distracting racket; I presume this is the >> hard drive or a fan? Another otherwise identical friend's iMac is as >> quiet as a (silent) mouse. Is this something I should be concerned >> about? And, if so, what can I do to repair or ameliorate it? Any thoughts? >> >> thanks in anticipation >> >> michaelP > > > _______________________________________________ > HomeMac mailing list > HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk Sat Nov 5 21:48:21 2005 From: michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP) Date: Sat Nov 5 21:52:54 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm Message-ID: <20051106055252.DDC4E58EA69@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Thom, thanks for the advice; it does have a firewire port and I already have an external hard drive attached via USB and firewire. I do run OS X when I need but basically find I'm happy with OS 9 for the most part. Does it need a repair shop to replace the HD? regards michaelP > Michael, > > It sure is something to be concerned about. You need to make a backup > and replace the hard drive if you have not already done so. I don't > remember, does your machine have a firewire port. Most likely not. If > not, get an external USB drive and copy over all your data files, then > replace the HD. > > If you can afford it, I would get a newer Mac, even a used one; > preferably something running OSX. That would be the most cost effective > thing to do. > > Thom > > > michaelP wrote: > >> hi folks >> >> using: >> >> *iMac G4 800Hz, OS 9.2.2, 384 Mb RAM, 40 Gb H/D (and a few years old) >> * >> prob: >> >> recently, a few minutes after booting up I hear a humming whirring >> sound that starts fairly softly but builds up over the next half hour >> to quite an irritating and distracting racket; I presume this is the >> hard drive or a fan? Another otherwise identical friend's iMac is as >> quiet as a (silent) mouse. Is this something I should be concerned >> about? And, if so, what can I do to repair or ameliorate it? Any thoughts? >> >> thanks in anticipation >> >> michaelP From michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk Sat Nov 5 23:06:29 2005 From: michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP) Date: Sat Nov 5 23:11:02 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm Message-ID: <20051106071101.1726758EBBC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Hi Thom again, at the moment I cannot afford to do much, but crucial is that I copy all my data and make sure of copies of all my applications, etc (this I can do now); in the mean time, it's crucial (I'm a self-employed graphic designer where the internet connection is vital to my survival) in case the HD blows, to port over everything necessary to continue my dialup and broadband internet connections, to another identical machine (a friend's who is not yet internet connected, living in the same house and happy to help in case of a crisis). Can you or anyone else please inform me of what files exactly I need to copy to the other machine in order to set up the identical internet system? Stuff like the TCP/IP control panel, Remote Access control panel, etc. thanks again michaelP > Michael, > > It sure is something to be concerned about. You need to make a backup > and replace the hard drive if you have not already done so. I don't > remember, does your machine have a firewire port. Most likely not. If > not, get an external USB drive and copy over all your data files, then > replace the HD. > > If you can afford it, I would get a newer Mac, even a used one; > preferably something running OSX. That would be the most cost effective > thing to do. > > Thom > > > michaelP wrote: > >> hi folks >> >> using: >> >> *iMac G4 800Hz, OS 9.2.2, 384 Mb RAM, 40 Gb H/D (and a few years old) >> * >> prob: >> >> recently, a few minutes after booting up I hear a humming whirring >> sound that starts fairly softly but builds up over the next half hour >> to quite an irritating and distracting racket; I presume this is the >> hard drive or a fan? Another otherwise identical friend's iMac is as >> quiet as a (silent) mouse. Is this something I should be concerned >> about? And, if so, what can I do to repair or ameliorate it? Any thoughts? >> >> thanks in anticipation >> >> michaelP From jimoctec at mac.com Sat Nov 5 23:25:09 2005 From: jimoctec at mac.com (Jim Norman) Date: Sat Nov 5 23:25:14 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051106071101.1726758EBBC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20051106071101.1726758EBBC@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <436DAFD5.60009@mac.com> One of the nicer features of owning a Mac is that you can just copy a hard disk under Classic, swap the disks and it will work just like new (or should that be old?). With OS X you need to use Carbon Copy Cloner, but the result is just the same - it just works. With Windoze you need to work out the arcane world of Norton Ghost, neither intuitive, nor easy. Jim michaelP wrote: >Hi Thom again, at the moment I cannot afford to do much, but crucial is that >I copy all my data and make sure of copies of all my applications, etc (this >I can do now); in the mean time, it's crucial (I'm a self-employed graphic >designer where the internet connection is vital to my survival) in case the >HD blows, to port over everything necessary to continue my dialup and >broadband internet connections, to another identical machine (a friend's who >is not yet internet connected, living in the same house and happy to help in >case of a crisis). Can you or anyone else please inform me of what files >exactly I need to copy to the other machine in order to set up the identical >internet system? Stuff like the TCP/IP control panel, Remote Access control >panel, etc. > >thanks again > >michaelP > > > >>Michael, >> >>It sure is something to be concerned about. You need to make a backup >>and replace the hard drive if you have not already done so. I don't >>remember, does your machine have a firewire port. Most likely not. If >>not, get an external USB drive and copy over all your data files, then >>replace the HD. >> >>If you can afford it, I would get a newer Mac, even a used one; >>preferably something running OSX. That would be the most cost effective >>thing to do. >> >>Thom >> >> >>michaelP wrote: >> >> >> >>>hi folks >>> >>>using: >>> >>>*iMac G4 800Hz, OS 9.2.2, 384 Mb RAM, 40 Gb H/D (and a few years old) >>>* >>>prob: >>> >>>recently, a few minutes after booting up I hear a humming whirring >>>sound that starts fairly softly but builds up over the next half hour >>>to quite an irritating and distracting racket; I presume this is the >>>hard drive or a fan? Another otherwise identical friend's iMac is as >>>quiet as a (silent) mouse. Is this something I should be concerned >>>about? And, if so, what can I do to repair or ameliorate it? Any thoughts? >>> >>>thanks in anticipation >>> >>>michaelP >>> >>> From michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk Sat Nov 5 23:38:13 2005 From: michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP) Date: Sat Nov 5 23:42:48 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm Message-ID: <20051106074246.E1B0F58EC51@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Thanks, Jim; I'm not sure my friend would totally appreciate a total swap... wrt the internet stuff, are not all the necessary files in the System Folder? Could I not just substitute those instead? Just control panels and extensions? regards michaelP > One of the nicer features of owning a Mac is that you can just copy a > hard disk under Classic, swap the disks and it will work just like new > (or should that be old?). > > With OS X you need to use Carbon Copy Cloner, but the result is just the > same - it just works. > > With Windoze you need to work out the arcane world of Norton Ghost, > neither intuitive, nor easy. > > Jim > > michaelP wrote: > >>Hi Thom again, at the moment I cannot afford to do much, but crucial is that >>I copy all my data and make sure of copies of all my applications, etc (this >>I can do now); in the mean time, it's crucial (I'm a self-employed graphic >>designer where the internet connection is vital to my survival) in case the >>HD blows, to port over everything necessary to continue my dialup and >>broadband internet connections, to another identical machine (a friend's who >>is not yet internet connected, living in the same house and happy to help in >>case of a crisis). Can you or anyone else please inform me of what files >>exactly I need to copy to the other machine in order to set up the identical >>internet system? Stuff like the TCP/IP control panel, Remote Access control >>panel, etc. >> >>thanks again >> >>michaelP >> >> >> >>>Michael, >>> >>>It sure is something to be concerned about. You need to make a backup >>>and replace the hard drive if you have not already done so. I don't >>>remember, does your machine have a firewire port. Most likely not. If >>>not, get an external USB drive and copy over all your data files, then >>>replace the HD. >>> >>>If you can afford it, I would get a newer Mac, even a used one; >>>preferably something running OSX. That would be the most cost effective >>>thing to do. >>> >>>Thom >>> >>> >>>michaelP wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>hi folks >>>> >>>>using: >>>> >>>>*iMac G4 800Hz, OS 9.2.2, 384 Mb RAM, 40 Gb H/D (and a few years old) >>>>* >>>>prob: >>>> >>>>recently, a few minutes after booting up I hear a humming whirring >>>>sound that starts fairly softly but builds up over the next half hour >>>>to quite an irritating and distracting racket; I presume this is the >>>>hard drive or a fan? Another otherwise identical friend's iMac is as >>>>quiet as a (silent) mouse. Is this something I should be concerned >>>>about? And, if so, what can I do to repair or ameliorate it? Any thoughts? >>>> >>>>thanks in anticipation >>>> >>>>michaelP >>>> >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > HomeMac mailing list > HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > Michael Pennamacoor Abgrundrisse tel: 01304 617626 fax: 0870 163 8935 e: michael@abgrundrisse.net http://www.abgrundrisse.net http://here.is/Abgrundrisse printable sellable goodies http://www.cafeshops.com/Abgrundrisse picture portfolio http://michael-pennamacoor.fotopic.net pictures for sale http://www.yessy.com/abgrundrisse From samantha at netresults.biz Mon Nov 7 15:13:21 2005 From: samantha at netresults.biz (Samantha Cornell) Date: Mon Nov 7 15:13:15 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051106074246.E1B0F58EC51@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20051106074246.E1B0F58EC51@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <46044BD4-9D8E-4750-B5EA-99B0CE09D38A@netresults.biz> Personally, I would recommend buying an external hard-drive, and booting from it when working on his computer. That way you can use all of your files, and will have a ready to use copy of your latest work when you go back to your own machine. also, because it's "non- invasive" in regards to his machine, you will not run the risk of creating any problems for him. You should be able to pick up a decent one for about $100...and although you may prefer not to part with the money at this point, I think you will find the expense well worth it down the road. It's tough to put a price-tag on peace of mind. Samantha On Nov 6, 2005, at 2:38 AM, michaelP wrote: > Thanks, Jim; I'm not sure my friend would totally appreciate a > total swap... > wrt the internet stuff, are not all the necessary files in the System > Folder? Could I not just substitute those instead? Just control > panels and > extensions? > > regards > > michaelP > > >> One of the nicer features of owning a Mac is that you can just copy a >> hard disk under Classic, swap the disks and it will work just like >> new >> (or should that be old?). >> >> With OS X you need to use Carbon Copy Cloner, but the result is >> just the >> same - it just works. >> >> With Windoze you need to work out the arcane world of Norton Ghost, >> neither intuitive, nor easy. >> >> Jim >> >> michaelP wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Thom again, at the moment I cannot afford to do much, but >>> crucial is that >>> I copy all my data and make sure of copies of all my >>> applications, etc (this >>> I can do now); in the mean time, it's crucial (I'm a self- >>> employed graphic >>> designer where the internet connection is vital to my survival) >>> in case the >>> HD blows, to port over everything necessary to continue my dialup >>> and >>> broadband internet connections, to another identical machine (a >>> friend's who >>> is not yet internet connected, living in the same house and happy >>> to help in >>> case of a crisis). Can you or anyone else please inform me of >>> what files >>> exactly I need to copy to the other machine in order to set up >>> the identical >>> internet system? Stuff like the TCP/IP control panel, Remote >>> Access control >>> panel, etc. >>> >>> thanks again >>> >>> michaelP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Michael, >>>> >>>> It sure is something to be concerned about. You need to make a >>>> backup >>>> and replace the hard drive if you have not already done so. I >>>> don't >>>> remember, does your machine have a firewire port. Most likely >>>> not. If >>>> not, get an external USB drive and copy over all your data >>>> files, then >>>> replace the HD. >>>> >>>> If you can afford it, I would get a newer Mac, even a used one; >>>> preferably something running OSX. That would be the most cost >>>> effective >>>> thing to do. >>>> >>>> Thom >>>> >>>> >>>> michaelP wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi folks >>>>> >>>>> using: >>>>> >>>>> *iMac G4 800Hz, OS 9.2.2, 384 Mb RAM, 40 Gb H/D (and a few >>>>> years old) >>>>> * >>>>> prob: >>>>> >>>>> recently, a few minutes after booting up I hear a humming whirring >>>>> sound that starts fairly softly but builds up over the next >>>>> half hour >>>>> to quite an irritating and distracting racket; I presume this >>>>> is the >>>>> hard drive or a fan? Another otherwise identical friend's iMac >>>>> is as >>>>> quiet as a (silent) mouse. Is this something I should be concerned >>>>> about? And, if so, what can I do to repair or ameliorate it? >>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> thanks in anticipation >>>>> >>>>> michaelP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HomeMac mailing list >> HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> > > > Michael Pennamacoor > Abgrundrisse > tel: 01304 617626 > fax: 0870 163 8935 > e: michael@abgrundrisse.net > http://www.abgrundrisse.net > http://here.is/Abgrundrisse > > printable sellable goodies > http://www.cafeshops.com/Abgrundrisse > > picture portfolio > http://michael-pennamacoor.fotopic.net > > pictures for sale > http://www.yessy.com/abgrundrisse > > _______________________________________________ > HomeMac mailing list > HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk Mon Nov 7 22:18:28 2005 From: michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP) Date: Mon Nov 7 22:23:03 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm Message-ID: <20051108062300.D6EF4591EE0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> > Personally, I would recommend buying an external hard-drive, and > booting from it when working on his computer. That way you can use > all of your files, and will have a ready to use copy of your latest > work when you go back to your own machine. also, because it's "non- > invasive" in regards to his machine, you will not run the risk of > creating any problems for him. > > You should be able to pick up a decent one for about $100...and > although you may prefer not to part with the money at this point, I > think you will find the expense well worth it down the road. It's > tough to put a price-tag on peace of mind. > > Samantha > Thanks, Samantha, sounds good. I already have a 250Gb external hard drive (and I've placed a copy of my System Folder on it). Can you remind me how to boot from an external hard drive? I know you hold the "C" key down while booting from a CD drive... regards michael > > > On Nov 6, 2005, at 2:38 AM, michaelP wrote: > >> Thanks, Jim; I'm not sure my friend would totally appreciate a >> total swap... >> wrt the internet stuff, are not all the necessary files in the System >> Folder? Could I not just substitute those instead? Just control >> panels and >> extensions? >> >> regards >> >> michaelP >> >> >>> One of the nicer features of owning a Mac is that you can just copy a >>> hard disk under Classic, swap the disks and it will work just like >>> new >>> (or should that be old?). >>> >>> With OS X you need to use Carbon Copy Cloner, but the result is >>> just the >>> same - it just works. >>> >>> With Windoze you need to work out the arcane world of Norton Ghost, >>> neither intuitive, nor easy. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> michaelP wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi Thom again, at the moment I cannot afford to do much, but >>>> crucial is that >>>> I copy all my data and make sure of copies of all my >>>> applications, etc (this >>>> I can do now); in the mean time, it's crucial (I'm a self- >>>> employed graphic >>>> designer where the internet connection is vital to my survival) >>>> in case the >>>> HD blows, to port over everything necessary to continue my dialup >>>> and >>>> broadband internet connections, to another identical machine (a >>>> friend's who >>>> is not yet internet connected, living in the same house and happy >>>> to help in >>>> case of a crisis). Can you or anyone else please inform me of >>>> what files >>>> exactly I need to copy to the other machine in order to set up >>>> the identical >>>> internet system? Stuff like the TCP/IP control panel, Remote >>>> Access control >>>> panel, etc. >>>> >>>> thanks again >>>> >>>> michaelP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Michael, >>>>> >>>>> It sure is something to be concerned about. You need to make a >>>>> backup >>>>> and replace the hard drive if you have not already done so. I >>>>> don't >>>>> remember, does your machine have a firewire port. Most likely >>>>> not. If >>>>> not, get an external USB drive and copy over all your data >>>>> files, then >>>>> replace the HD. >>>>> >>>>> If you can afford it, I would get a newer Mac, even a used one; >>>>> preferably something running OSX. That would be the most cost >>>>> effective >>>>> thing to do. >>>>> >>>>> Thom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> michaelP wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> hi folks >>>>>> >>>>>> using: >>>>>> >>>>>> *iMac G4 800Hz, OS 9.2.2, 384 Mb RAM, 40 Gb H/D (and a few >>>>>> years old) >>>>>> * >>>>>> prob: >>>>>> >>>>>> recently, a few minutes after booting up I hear a humming whirring >>>>>> sound that starts fairly softly but builds up over the next >>>>>> half hour >>>>>> to quite an irritating and distracting racket; I presume this >>>>>> is the >>>>>> hard drive or a fan? Another otherwise identical friend's iMac >>>>>> is as >>>>>> quiet as a (silent) mouse. Is this something I should be concerned >>>>>> about? And, if so, what can I do to repair or ameliorate it? >>>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks in anticipation >>>>>> >>>>>> michaelP From allan at hise.org Tue Nov 8 01:58:51 2005 From: allan at hise.org (Allan Hise) Date: Tue Nov 8 01:59:04 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051108062300.D6EF4591EE0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20051108062300.D6EF4591EE0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, michaelP wrote: > Thanks, Samantha, sounds good. I already have a 250Gb external hard drive > (and I've placed a copy of my System Folder on it). Can you remind me how to > boot from an external hard drive? I know you hold the "C" key down while > booting from a CD drive... > Hold the option key at boot. A screen will come up that will allow you to select which drive to boot from. It always amazes me hos slow this process is, so be patient! Allan From michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk Tue Nov 8 07:27:33 2005 From: michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP) Date: Tue Nov 8 07:32:07 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm Message-ID: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> > On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, michaelP wrote: > >> Thanks, Samantha, sounds good. I already have a 250Gb external hard drive >> (and I've placed a copy of my System Folder on it). Can you remind me how to >> boot from an external hard drive? I know you hold the "C" key down while >> booting from a CD drive... >> > > Hold the option key at boot. A screen will come up that will allow you to > select which drive to boot from. It always amazes me hos slow this process > is, so be patient! > > Allan Thanks Allan, I tried this three times and each time the screen came up but without the external hard drive showing even though it does appear in the Start-Up Disk control panel (it has a System Folder identical to the one on the internal drive). What to do? regards michael From duanemurphy at mac.com Tue Nov 8 08:07:30 2005 From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy) Date: Tue Nov 8 08:07:34 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <20051108160730.25623@linux.murphyslogic.com> --- At Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:27:33 +0000, michaelP wrote: >> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, michaelP wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Samantha, sounds good. I already have a 250Gb external hard drive >>> (and I've placed a copy of my System Folder on it). Can you remind me >how to >>> boot from an external hard drive? I know you hold the "C" key down while >>> booting from a CD drive... >>> >> >> Hold the option key at boot. A screen will come up that will allow you to >> select which drive to boot from. It always amazes me hos slow this process >> is, so be patient! >> >> Allan > >Thanks Allan, I tried this three times and each time the screen came up but >without the external hard drive showing even though it does appear in the >Start-Up Disk control panel (it has a System Folder identical to the one on >the internal drive). > >What to do? If you can run the Startup Disk Control Panel, then just choose the disk and reboot. ...Duane From rgray at chesapeake.net Tue Nov 8 09:09:38 2005 From: rgray at chesapeake.net (Robert Gray) Date: Tue Nov 8 09:09:49 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: At 3:27 PM +0000 on 11/8/05, you wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, michaelP wrote: >> > >> Can you remind me how to boot from an external hard drive? > > >> Hold the option key at boot. A screen will come up that > > will allow you to select which drive to boot from. > > > Thanks Allan, I tried this three times and each time > the screen came up but without the external hard drive > showing even though it does appear in the Start-Up > Disk control panel (it has a System Folder identical > to the one on the internal drive). I'm not so sure you can simple copy the system folder from one drive to another. Things have to be done; like writing a little sector which tells the system that the drive is bootable. There may even be invisible files that are essential and don't get included in a "finder-copy". I remember that caution issued was for at least one OS version. It's always best to install the OS or at least restore from a backup copy (that still won't make the disk bootable but you might be able to do that with Disk Setup or similar. From duanemurphy at mac.com Tue Nov 8 09:12:58 2005 From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy) Date: Tue Nov 8 09:13:01 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: References: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <20051108171258.10720@linux.murphyslogic.com> --- At Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:09:38 -0500, Robert Gray wrote: >At 3:27 PM +0000 on 11/8/05, you wrote: > >> > On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, michaelP wrote: >>> >> >> Can you remind me how to boot from an external hard drive? >> > >>> Hold the option key at boot. A screen will come up that >> > will allow you to select which drive to boot from. >> >> >> Thanks Allan, I tried this three times and each time >> the screen came up but without the external hard drive >> showing even though it does appear in the Start-Up >> Disk control panel (it has a System Folder identical >> to the one on the internal drive). > >I'm not so sure you can simple copy the system folder from one drive >to another. Things have to be done; like writing a little sector >which tells the system that the drive is bootable. There may even be >invisible files that are essential and don't get included in a >"finder-copy". I remember that caution issued was for at least one >OS version. It's always best to install the OS or at least restore >from a backup copy (that still won't make the disk bootable but you >might be able to do that with Disk Setup or similar. While this is true for OS X, OS 9 requires no such tweaking. Simply selecting the drive in the Startup Disk control panel will fix the drive so that it can boot. This will only work if the System Folder is blessed. A blessed System Folder is identified by the Mac OS face on the folder. If you think the folder should be blessed then you can help the system recognize this by dragging the Finder file out of the System folder and then back in. Seeing the Finder file and the System file in the same folder helps the system recognize that this is a System folder. NOTE: This only works for OS 9. OS X is _completely_ different. ...Duane ...Duane From samantha at netresults.biz Tue Nov 8 09:22:37 2005 From: samantha at netresults.biz (Samantha Cornell) Date: Tue Nov 8 09:22:29 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051108171258.10720@linux.murphyslogic.com> References: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20051108171258.10720@linux.murphyslogic.com> Message-ID: In the event that Duane's advice still doesn't get you up and running (it should though), try cloning your hard-drive, instead of just drag and dropping your system folder. You may find that a cloned drive works better for you anyway, since you would then have everything you had before, in exactly the same spot. Once your machine is repaired, you would simply reverse the process and continue on with minimal interruption. For more info, try this article: http://www.atpm.com/10.05/cloning.shtml From sucre8121 at rogers.com Tue Nov 8 10:38:27 2005 From: sucre8121 at rogers.com (ESTHER SUCRE) Date: Tue Nov 8 10:38:31 2005 Subject: [HM] Lost all audio on my movie!!!! Message-ID: <20051108183828.79594.qmail@web88101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I hope somebody has an answer: I had a movie I was working on saved on my hard drive (I'm using imovie HD) and I went on holidays. Now that I returned I wanted to keep working on it only to find out there is no audio. I made sure that the 3 boxes are checked to the right of the timeline, and yes, the speakers are on! I don't know what it could be; when I drag a clip to the trash and then look at it while on the trash then it has sound! If I import a new video (from my camera) I can hear the audio while it is importing, but when I try to play back then the audio is gone! I'm sure it probably is something really simple, but I can figure it out. Please Help! Thanks in advance!!!! E. From rgray at chesapeake.net Wed Nov 9 10:50:46 2005 From: rgray at chesapeake.net (Robert Gray) Date: Wed Nov 9 10:50:58 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051108171258.10720@linux.murphyslogic.com> References: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20051108171258.10720@linux.murphyslogic.com> Message-ID: At 9:12 AM -0800 on 11/8/05, duanemurphy@mac.com wrote: >--- At Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:09:38 -0500, Robert Gray wrote: > > >At 3:27 PM +0000 on 11/8/05, duanemurphy@mac.com wrote: >> >>> > On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, michaelP wrote: >>>> >>> >> Can you remind me how to boot from an external hard drive? >>> > >>>> Hold the option key at boot. A screen will come up that >>> > will allow you to select which drive to boot from. >>> >>> >>> Thanks Allan, I tried this three times and each time >>> the screen came up but without the external hard drive >>> showing even though it does appear in the Start-Up >>> Disk control panel (it has a System Folder identical >>> to the one on the internal drive). >> >>I'm not so sure you can simple copy the system folder from >>one drive to another. Things have to be done; like writing >>a little sector which tells the system that the drive is >>bootable. There may even be invisible files that are > >essential and don't get included in a "finder-copy". > >While this is true for OS X, OS 9 requires no such tweaking. >Simply selecting the drive in the Startup Disk control panel >will fix the drive so that it can boot. All systems require that there be a disk driver available and that's not getting written when you drag the folder to the disk. >This will only work if the System Folder is blessed. A blessed >System Folder is identified by the Mac OS face on the >folder....Seeing the Finder file and the System file in the same >folder helps the system recognize that this is a System folder. While that's necessary, it's not sufficient. There must be a disk driver available in order for the OS to be able to read the disk. The OS expects that information to be located in the disk boot sector. No driver...no boot, even though there's a blessed folder. Like I said, try Disk Setup. It may ask to update the drivers. If that works you're home free. If not you may have to format/erase the drive then drag the system folder again. See: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106849 From michael-winter at uiowa.edu Wed Nov 9 11:13:38 2005 From: michael-winter at uiowa.edu (Michael Winter) Date: Wed Nov 9 11:13:42 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: References: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20051108171258.10720@linux.murphyslogic.com> Message-ID: On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Robert Gray wrote: >> While this is true for OS X, OS 9 requires no such tweaking. >> Simply selecting the drive in the Startup Disk control panel >> will fix the drive so that it can boot. > That does work. I've done it many times. In fact, I did it just yesterday, copying the OS 9 System Folder from a B/W G3 to an iMac DV that was running OS X, then re-booted the iMac using OS 9. I figured that would be much faster than using the install CD then going through all the upgrades. > All systems require that there be a disk driver available and > that's not getting written when you drag the folder to the disk. The driver is installed on the disk when it is formatted and is separate from the OS (though the OS can use a driver that overrides the one on the drive if it wants). The one caveat going between OS 9 and X is that you can format a drive in OS X without having it install an OS 9 compatible driver. That used to be a check box when formatting a drive, but I don't see it any more. I hope that means the OS 9 compatible driver is installed by default, but it may mean it no longer includes OS 9 compatibility. -Mike From duanemurphy at mac.com Wed Nov 9 11:14:08 2005 From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy) Date: Wed Nov 9 11:14:11 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: References: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20051108171258.10720@linux.murphyslogic.com> Message-ID: <20051109191408.6385@linux.murphyslogic.com> --- At Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:50:46 -0500, Robert Gray wrote: >At 9:12 AM -0800 on 11/8/05, duanemurphy@mac.com wrote: > >>--- At Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:09:38 -0500, Robert Gray wrote: >> >> >At 3:27 PM +0000 on 11/8/05, duanemurphy@mac.com wrote: >>> >>>> > On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, michaelP wrote: >>>>> >>>> >> Can you remind me how to boot from an external hard drive? >>>> > >>>>> Hold the option key at boot. A screen will come up that >>>> > will allow you to select which drive to boot from. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Allan, I tried this three times and each time >>>> the screen came up but without the external hard drive >>>> showing even though it does appear in the Start-Up >>>> Disk control panel (it has a System Folder identical >>>> to the one on the internal drive). >>> >>>I'm not so sure you can simple copy the system folder from >>>one drive to another. Things have to be done; like writing >>>a little sector which tells the system that the drive is >>>bootable. There may even be invisible files that are >> >essential and don't get included in a "finder-copy". >> >>While this is true for OS X, OS 9 requires no such tweaking. >>Simply selecting the drive in the Startup Disk control panel >>will fix the drive so that it can boot. > > >All systems require that there be a disk driver available and >that's not getting written when you drag the folder to the disk. > > >>This will only work if the System Folder is blessed. A blessed >>System Folder is identified by the Mac OS face on the >>folder....Seeing the Finder file and the System file in the same >>folder helps the system recognize that this is a System folder. > > >While that's necessary, it's not sufficient. There must be a disk >driver available in order for the OS to be able to read the disk. >The OS expects that information to be located in the disk boot >sector. No driver...no boot, even though there's a blessed folder. > >Like I said, try Disk Setup. It may ask to update the drivers. If >that works you're home free. If not you may have to format/erase the >drive then drag the system folder again. See: Ah, radical assumption on my part that the volumes have been formated to be compatible with OS 9. Good point. These days, it's not always obvious. I still make a point of formatting my drives with OS 9 drivers, just in case. ...Duane From duanemurphy at mac.com Wed Nov 9 12:10:27 2005 From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy) Date: Wed Nov 9 12:10:31 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: References: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20051108171258.10720@linux.murphyslogic.com> Message-ID: <20051109201027.15720@linux.murphyslogic.com> --- At Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:13:38 -0600, Michael Winter wrote: >The driver is installed on the disk when it is formatted and is >separate from the OS (though the OS can use a driver that overrides >the one on the drive if it wants). The one caveat going between OS 9 >and X is that you can format a drive in OS X without having it >install an OS 9 compatible driver. That used to be a check box when >formatting a drive, but I don't see it any more. I hope that means >the OS 9 compatible driver is installed by default, but it may mean >it no longer includes OS 9 compatibility. My observation is that it means that there is NO OS 9 driver installed. The check box used to be available or not depending on whether or not your machine could run OS 9. (I think; this is based on some simple observations.) More recent OS X Disk Utility applications include the OS 9 switch all the time. It's useful for formatting FireWire drives that may be used on 9. Again, this is all observation concerning Disk Utility. I may be wrong. ...Duane From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net Wed Nov 9 15:21:53 2005 From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net) Date: Wed Nov 9 15:22:03 2005 Subject: [HM] Copying sys folder without knowing the status of drivers Was: hummmmmm In-Reply-To: References: <20051108153205.88D72592887@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20051108171258.10720@linux.murphyslogic.com> Message-ID: At 1:13 PM -0600 on 11/9/05, michael-winter@uiowa.edu wrote: >The one caveat going between OS 9 and X is that you can format a >drive in OS X without having it install an OS 9 compatible driver. >That used to be a check box when formatting a drive, but I don't >see it any more. I hope that means the OS 9 compatible driver is >installed by default, but it may mean it no longer includes OS 9 >compatibility. It don't happen. That was Robert's point when he included the reference to the apple.com URL where it's explained, wasn't it? -- T.T. From michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk Fri Nov 11 22:23:51 2005 From: michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP) Date: Fri Nov 11 22:24:51 2005 Subject: [HM] hummmmmm Message-ID: <20051112062450.42D8A59B6BB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Thanks Robert and others; it seems that I need to create an external boot disk that might have to be initialised, etc. I am reluctant to perform this initialisation with my existing external 250Gb drive (using Disk Setup, it appeared that it could not have its driver updated) because of the great archive quantity of stuff I've deposited... My question then is: can any initialisable (read/write) storage device act as such a boot drive with a blessed System Folder sitting on it? For example, a Zip or USB Flash Drive, as well as another external hard drive? And, if so, does one need to use Drive Setup to best realise this? thanks in anticipation michael the P > At 9:12 AM -0800 on 11/8/05, duanemurphy@mac.com wrote: > >>--- At Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:09:38 -0500, Robert Gray wrote: >> >> >At 3:27 PM +0000 on 11/8/05, duanemurphy@mac.com wrote: >>> >>>> > On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, michaelP wrote: >>>>> >>>> >> Can you remind me how to boot from an external hard drive? >>>> > >>>>> Hold the option key at boot. A screen will come up that >>>> > will allow you to select which drive to boot from. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Allan, I tried this three times and each time >>>> the screen came up but without the external hard drive >>>> showing even though it does appear in the Start-Up >>>> Disk control panel (it has a System Folder identical >>>> to the one on the internal drive). >>> >>>I'm not so sure you can simple copy the system folder from >>>one drive to another. Things have to be done; like writing >>>a little sector which tells the system that the drive is >>>bootable. There may even be invisible files that are >> >essential and don't get included in a "finder-copy". >> >>While this is true for OS X, OS 9 requires no such tweaking. >>Simply selecting the drive in the Startup Disk control panel >>will fix the drive so that it can boot. > > > All systems require that there be a disk driver available and > that's not getting written when you drag the folder to the disk. > > >>This will only work if the System Folder is blessed. A blessed >>System Folder is identified by the Mac OS face on the >>folder....Seeing the Finder file and the System file in the same >>folder helps the system recognize that this is a System folder. > > > While that's necessary, it's not sufficient. There must be a disk > driver available in order for the OS to be able to read the disk. > The OS expects that information to be located in the disk boot > sector. No driver...no boot, even though there's a blessed folder. > > Like I said, try Disk Setup. It may ask to update the drivers. If > that works you're home free. If not you may have to format/erase the > drive then drag the system folder again. See: > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106849 From michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk Sat Nov 12 04:25:17 2005 From: michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP) Date: Sat Nov 12 04:26:17 2005 Subject: [HM] recording streaming audio Message-ID: <20051112122615.288E359BA9B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Can anyone recommend an application (OS 9 preferably but also OS X) that can record streaming audio (say from a streaming radio prog) and doesn't cost the earth (or better, is free)? regards michaelP From sieiar at tpg.com.au Sat Nov 12 05:29:16 2005 From: sieiar at tpg.com.au (Clive Ross) Date: Sat Nov 12 05:29:23 2005 Subject: [HM] recording streaming audio In-Reply-To: <20051112122615.288E359BA9B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20051112122615.288E359BA9B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <6BDD19F3-6C5D-4F69-B639-F8DF77EE7C35@tpg.com.au> You can try Audio HiJack ($32) http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/18611 Or Wire Tap Pro ($19) http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/25421 Both will work in X sorry I don't know of any OS9 programs though. Clive On 12/11/2005, at 11:25 PM, michaelP wrote: > Can anyone recommend an application (OS 9 preferably but also OS X) > that can > record streaming audio (say from a streaming radio prog) and > doesn't cost > the earth (or better, is free)? > > regards > > michaelP From Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net Sat Nov 12 05:47:30 2005 From: Technophobic_Tom at comcast.net (Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net) Date: Sat Nov 12 05:47:39 2005 Subject: Booting from external devices Was: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051112062450.42D8A59B6BB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20051112062450.42D8A59B6BB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: At 6:23 AM +0000 on 11/12/05, "michaelP" wrote: >...can any initialisable (read/write) storage device act >as...a boot drive with a blessed System Folder sitting on it? >For example, a Zip or USB Flash Drive, as well as another >external hard drive? > >And, if so, does one need to use Drive Setup to best realise this? It would seem so. I know that removable media drives such as Zip and Jazz drives can selected as the startup device and of course external, fixed media, hard drives can. Remember, the blessed System Folder is necessary but not sufficient. You MUST have the driver for the device installed WITH the System Folder. I don't think external firewire drives can be made bootable. At least not in all configurations. Iomega drives require their own proprietary format utilities. I'd suspect that to be the same situation for all other external, removable media drives. Fixed media drives can be formated with either Apple's utility, Drive Setup, or a third party format utility. -- T.T. From duanemurphy at mac.com Sat Nov 12 08:10:55 2005 From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy) Date: Sat Nov 12 08:11:02 2005 Subject: Booting from external devices Was: [HM] hummmmmm In-Reply-To: References: <20051112062450.42D8A59B6BB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <20051112161055.11769@linux.murphyslogic.com> --- At Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:47:30 -0500, Technophobic_Tom@comcast.net wrote: >At 6:23 AM +0000 on 11/12/05, "michaelP" > wrote: > >>...can any initialisable (read/write) storage device act >>as...a boot drive with a blessed System Folder sitting on it? >>For example, a Zip or USB Flash Drive, as well as another >>external hard drive? >> >>And, if so, does one need to use Drive Setup to best realise this? > >It would seem so. I know that removable media drives such as Zip and >Jazz drives can selected as the startup device and of course >external, fixed media, hard drives can. Remember, the blessed System >Folder is necessary but not sufficient. You MUST have the driver for >the device installed WITH the System Folder. >I don't think external >firewire drives can be made bootable. At least not in all >configurations. I just wanted to correct this. As far as I know, FireWire drives can always be made bootable. USB drives however usually cannot. The problem is with how USB and FireWire are addressed on the bus. FireWire has a fixed identifier for every device. USB devices are identified by their position on the bus. If you move a device, it will have a new address and therefore the system can't work out how to boot from it. ...Duane From michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk Sat Nov 12 09:28:52 2005 From: michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP) Date: Sat Nov 12 09:29:52 2005 Subject: [HM] beyond hmmmmmmmm Message-ID: <20051112172950.DC46559C625@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> hi everyone, thanks for everything, but something crucial has intervened (I am now working from my friend's iMac): whilst working in a normal fashion (iMac, G4, 800Hz, OS 9.2) and attempting to read a PDF application manual from a MacFormat magazine CD, Acrobat crashed and I had to shutdown using the button towards the back of the iMac. On rebooting the iMac could find no bootable disk and came up with an alternating question mark. After several attempts this persisted. I then booted up from a System 9 install CD and found the following: at the point of displaying the internal hard drive it came up with a dialogue box that said the disk was unreadable and did I want to intialise it... Does this mean the hard drive is totally nobbled and defunct or should I attempt to intialise it and perhaps re-install everything? Could the hard drive be recoverable, and if so, how? Can someone help? regards michaelP From duanemurphy at mac.com Sat Nov 12 12:46:04 2005 From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy) Date: Sat Nov 12 12:46:11 2005 Subject: [HM] beyond hmmmmmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051112172950.DC46559C625@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20051112172950.DC46559C625@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <20051112204604.414@linux.murphyslogic.com> --- At Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:28:52 +0000, michaelP wrote: >hi everyone, thanks for everything, but something crucial has intervened (I >am now working from my friend's iMac): whilst working in a normal fashion >(iMac, G4, 800Hz, OS 9.2) and attempting to read a PDF application manual >from a MacFormat magazine CD, Acrobat crashed and I had to shutdown using >the button towards the back of the iMac. On rebooting the iMac could find no >bootable disk and came up with an alternating question mark. After several >attempts this persisted. I then booted up from a System 9 install CD and >found the following: at the point of displaying the internal hard drive it >came up with a dialogue box that said the disk was unreadable and did I want >to intialise it... Does this mean the hard drive is totally nobbled and >defunct or should I attempt to intialise it and perhaps re-install >everything? Could the hard drive be recoverable, and if so, how? Run do not walk to and find DiskWarrior for OS 9. You might have to dig to find it, they have pretty much shifted to OS X. Disk Warrior will have a very good chance of recovering you drive. If anything can recover the drive then DiskWarrior can usually do it. If Disk Warrior fails, then about your only recourse to recover any data is an expensive disk data recovery place. I've never used one so I can't recommend anything. Good luck, ...Duane From Thomas.Holland at Sun.COM Mon Nov 14 09:37:16 2005 From: Thomas.Holland at Sun.COM (Thomas Holland) Date: Mon Nov 14 09:37:25 2005 Subject: [HM] beyond hmmmmmmmm In-Reply-To: <20051112204604.414@linux.murphyslogic.com> References: <20051112172950.DC46559C625@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20051112204604.414@linux.murphyslogic.com> Message-ID: <4378CB4C.4010308@sun.com> Duane Murphy wrote On 11/12/05 12:46,: >Run do not walk to and find DiskWarrior for OS >9. You might have to dig to find it, they have pretty much shifted to OS X. > >Disk Warrior will have a very good chance of recovering you drive. If >anything can recover the drive then DiskWarrior can usually do it. > >If Disk Warrior fails, then about your only recourse to recover any data >is an expensive disk data recovery place. I've never used one so I can't >recommend anything. > >Good luck, > > ...Duane > What Duane said was accurate. Most people have good luck with Disk Warrior and he is right about data recovery companies being expensive. -- Thom Holland SAN09, room 1600 x55434 The Word of the Day for November 14th is: nescience \NESH-ee-unss\ noun : lack of knowledge or awareness : ignorance Example sentence: As the conversation among the group turned to movies, Rob feared that his silence might betray his nescience toward all things related to the cinema. From michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk Tue Nov 15 09:00:13 2005 From: michael at sandwich-de-sign.co.uk (michaelP) Date: Tue Nov 15 09:01:14 2005 Subject: [HM] beyond hmmmmmmmm Message-ID: <20051115170112.A2EB15A1427@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> > Duane Murphy wrote On 11/12/05 12:46,: > >>Run do not walk to and find DiskWarrior for OS >>9. You might have to dig to find it, they have pretty much shifted to OS X. >> >>Disk Warrior will have a very good chance of recovering you drive. If >>anything can recover the drive then DiskWarrior can usually do it. >> >>If Disk Warrior fails, then about your only recourse to recover any data >>is an expensive disk data recovery place. I've never used one so I can't >>recommend anything. >> >>Good luck, >> >> ...Duane >> > What Duane said was accurate. Most people have good luck with Disk Warrior > and he is right about data recovery companies being expensive. Thanks Thom. I have now ordered DiskWarrior and it should arrive within a week or so. Fingers crossed... regards to everyone michaelP From dfbeasley at yahoo.com Thu Nov 17 06:50:52 2005 From: dfbeasley at yahoo.com (David Beasley) Date: Thu Nov 17 06:50:54 2005 Subject: [HM] re: Firmware upgrade for older iMac G3 Message-ID: <20051117145052.21275.qmail@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recently bought a iMac G3 (circa 2000) and am in the process of upgrading from OS 9.2 to OS X Panther. Apparently I first need to do a firmware upgrade, which they say can be downloaded from the website. There appear to be several available and I am not sure which one is right for me. Any advice? David Beasley --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > _______________________________________________ > HomeMac mailing list > HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/homemac/attachments/20051118/34ab9c43/attachment.html From janesprando at comcast.net Thu Nov 17 17:38:20 2005 From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando) Date: Thu Nov 17 17:38:25 2005 Subject: [HM] DiskWarrior Message-ID: What is the current version of DiskWarrior? Jane From sieiar at tpg.com.au Thu Nov 17 17:41:25 2005 From: sieiar at tpg.com.au (Clive Ross) Date: Thu Nov 17 17:41:40 2005 Subject: [HM] DiskWarrior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FBE0495-52C2-470E-8BC9-E527B6662CB9@tpg.com.au> The current version as far as I know is 3.03 rev 38 Clive On 18/11/2005, at 12:38 PM, Jane Sprando wrote: > What is the current version of DiskWarrior? > > Jane > > > _______________________________________________ > HomeMac mailing list > HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From ftf at mac.com Thu Nov 17 18:05:00 2005 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Thu Nov 17 18:05:04 2005 Subject: [HM] DiskWarrior In-Reply-To: <1FBE0495-52C2-470E-8BC9-E527B6662CB9@tpg.com.au> References: <1FBE0495-52C2-470E-8BC9-E527B6662CB9@tpg.com.au> Message-ID: <8F62C9BC-B285-4057-809E-DB24F44110A3@mac.com> On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Clive Ross wrote: > The current version as far as I know is 3.03 rev 38 > > On 18/11/2005, at 12:38 PM, Jane Sprando wrote: > >> What is the current version of DiskWarrior? Close, but it is Revision 39. From janesprando at comcast.net Thu Nov 17 18:09:57 2005 From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando) Date: Thu Nov 17 18:10:01 2005 Subject: [HM] DiskWarrior In-Reply-To: <8F62C9BC-B285-4057-809E-DB24F44110A3@mac.com> Message-ID: Maybe I should ask which version will run with 10.2.8 and 9.2.2 (My iMac will start up with both.) Jane > From: Fabian Fang > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." > > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:05:00 -0800 > To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." > > Subject: Re: [HM] DiskWarrior > > On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Clive Ross wrote: > >> The current version as far as I know is 3.03 rev 38 >> >> On 18/11/2005, at 12:38 PM, Jane Sprando wrote: >> >>> What is the current version of DiskWarrior? > > Close, but it is Revision 39. > > _______________________________________________ > HomeMac mailing list > HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From sieiar at tpg.com.au Thu Nov 17 18:26:30 2005 From: sieiar at tpg.com.au (Clive Ross) Date: Thu Nov 17 18:26:37 2005 Subject: [HM] DiskWarrior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8341919C-0F61-4C16-97E2-708A21E141C4@tpg.com.au> any version 3 should do it foe you. you don't need to boot in to both as you can repair all disks from the boot disk, and it comes with OS9 install, rev 38 is the only one that works with Tiger. Clive On 18/11/2005, at 1:09 PM, Jane Sprando wrote: > Maybe I should ask which version will run with 10.2.8 and 9.2.2 (My > iMac > will start up with both.) > > Jane > > >> From: Fabian Fang >> Reply-To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." >> >> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:05:00 -0800 >> To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." >> >> Subject: Re: [HM] DiskWarrior >> >> On Nov 17, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Clive Ross wrote: >> >>> The current version as far as I know is 3.03 rev 38 >>> >>> On 18/11/2005, at 12:38 PM, Jane Sprando wrote: >>> >>>> What is the current version of DiskWarrior? >> >> Close, but it is Revision 39. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HomeMac mailing list >> HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > _______________________________________________ > HomeMac mailing list > HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From janesprando at comcast.net Wed Nov 23 20:28:25 2005 From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando) Date: Wed Nov 23 20:28:30 2005 Subject: [HM] Microsoft Office 2004 Message-ID: Does anyone use Office 2004? If so, did you download and install the Service pack 2 without any problems? Jane From ftf at mac.com Wed Nov 23 20:42:06 2005 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Wed Nov 23 20:42:12 2005 Subject: [HM] Microsoft Office 2004 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 23, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Jane Sprando wrote: > Does anyone use Office 2004? If so, did you download and install > the Service > pack 2 without any problems? Yes to both questions. Are you taking advantage of Microsoft Mactopia resources at: Fabian From janesprando at comcast.net Wed Nov 23 20:47:23 2005 From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando) Date: Wed Nov 23 20:47:42 2005 Subject: [HM] Microsoft Office 2004 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any words of advice before I install it? I am always leery of installing updates for fear of screwing up something that is working! I receive the emails from Microsoft Mactopia, but haven't gone to that web site. Jane > On Nov 23, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Jane Sprando wrote: > >> Does anyone use Office 2004? If so, did you download and install >> the Service >> pack 2 without any problems? > > Yes to both questions. > > Are you taking advantage of Microsoft Mactopia resources at: > > > Fabian From ftf at mac.com Wed Nov 23 22:27:59 2005 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Wed Nov 23 22:28:05 2005 Subject: [HM] Microsoft Office 2004 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C342EC7-1728-4E1C-9EF2-46E85B8A38D1@mac.com> On Nov 23, 2005, at 8:47 PM, Jane Sprando wrote: > Any words of advice before I install it? I am always leery of > installing > updates for fear of screwing up something that is working! As an occasional user of an IBM ThinkPad laptop, I recently installed Service Pack 2 for Windows XP Pro, and had some minor problems. When Microsoft Software Update informed me of Service Pack 2 for Office 2004 Macintosh, I hesitated for a while before going ahead with it. While there have been no problems so far, I am not sure about its benefits. You may wish to take a look at the Mactopia website I provided earlier, and decide whether you need the stated "improvements." Fabian >> On Nov 23, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Jane Sprando wrote: >> >>> Does anyone use Office 2004? If so, did you download and install >>> the Service >>> pack 2 without any problems? >> >> Yes to both questions. >> >> Are you taking advantage of Microsoft Mactopia resources at: >> >> >> Fabian From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 24 04:54:40 2005 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard ramsowr) Date: Thu Nov 24 04:54:43 2005 Subject: [HM] Microsoft Office 2004 >NeoOfficeJ is looking for a few good folks< In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051124125441.46462.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> just a little heads up... Like me, if your looking for something that lets you read (to and from) or write (to and from) Mico$oft Office 2004 or for that matter most such programs - here a tip! There is a program out their that really works - at least as good as Mico$oft's Office 200, it's called "NeoOfficeJ - AND IT'S FREE! Not long ago I started a business using my old but trusted Mac and soon found that manufacturers generally use PC and all of that Miscro$otf crap that?s packaged with them! And here I was use my QuickSilver and Appleworks ...and not even the latest hardware or software to boot! So what?s is a guy to do? Stop what your doing and go out and spend a pile of money - just so you can talk to the person your trying to do business with! NOT ANYMORE! NeoOffice is a fully-featured set of office applications (including word processing, spreadsheet, presentation, and drawing programs) for Mac OS X. Based on the OpenOffice.org office suite, NeoOffice has integrated dozens of native Mac features and can import, edit, and exchange files with other popular office programs such as Micro$oft Office. Released as free, open-source software under the GNU General Public License (GPL), NeoOfficeJ is fully functional and stable enough for everyday use. The software is actively developed, so improvements and small updates are made available on a regular basis. It is available for free from the NeoOffice download page. See: http://www.planamesa.com/neojava/en/index.php Or Google NeoOfficeJ >From the start I was not much of a believer - I mean hell it?s free! Today I am! As manufacturers representative, I?m forever receiving and sending back replies to materials such as contracts and technical documents written in Word something. With NeoOfficeJ it?s as simple as opening the document reading it and replying to it - hell I?m not so sure that some of my clients even know that I?m not using a PC or M$?s Word! The only ?butt? to this tale is a simple one - before you read a document make sure that you have NeoOfficeJ open and turned on - if so - when you open a word document - it (NeoOfficeJ) takes over and translates the documents into (in my case) Appleworks and lets you go to work! Hell I?m not even sure where M$ Word ends and AppleWorks starts! SO GUYS GET OUT THEIR AND GIVE IT A TRY! Ric ------------------------------------------------------------ --- Jane Sprando wrote: > Any words of advice before I install it? I am always > leery of installing > updates for fear of screwing up something that is > working! > > I receive the emails from Microsoft Mactopia, but > haven't gone to that web > site. > > Jane > > > On Nov 23, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Jane Sprando wrote: > > > >> Does anyone use Office 2004? If so, did you > download and install > >> the Service > >> pack 2 without any problems? > > > > Yes to both questions. > > > > Are you taking advantage of Microsoft Mactopia > resources at: > > > > > > > Fabian > > > _______________________________________________ > HomeMac mailing list > HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From lists at tntluoma.com Thu Nov 24 18:38:53 2005 From: lists at tntluoma.com (Lists) Date: Thu Nov 24 18:38:59 2005 Subject: [HM] Re: Microsoft Office 2004 >NeoOfficeJ is looking for a few good folks< In-Reply-To: <20051124125441.46462.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051124125441.46462.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C8A603A-B651-4995-A062-6E88CEECBF27@tntluoma.com> On Nov 24, 2005, at 7:54 AM, Richard ramsowr wrote: > There is a program out their that really works - at > least as good as Mico$oft's Office 200, it's called > "NeoOfficeJ - AND IT'S FREE! It's a very good program, and it is free, but saying that it's as a good as Office is a stretch of advocacy that I can't endorse. It's very slow to start, it still looks like a Windows app ported to OSX. It can, however, open WordPerfect files, which is why I use it. I encourage everyone to look at it and decide for themselves. TjL From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 24 21:05:58 2005 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard ramsowr) Date: Thu Nov 24 21:06:02 2005 Subject: [HM] Re: Microsoft Office 2004 >NeoOfficeJ is looking for a few good folks< In-Reply-To: <2C8A603A-B651-4995-A062-6E88CEECBF27@tntluoma.com> Message-ID: <20051125050559.20960.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes your right it does open solfware such as Word & WordPerfect files which is why I too use it. And its getting better all of the time! ric --- Lists wrote: > > On Nov 24, 2005, at 7:54 AM, Richard ramsowr wrote: > > > There is a program out their that really works - > at > > least as good as Mico$oft's Office 200, it's > called > > "NeoOfficeJ - AND IT'S FREE! > > It's a very good program, and it is free, but saying > that it's as a > good as Office is a stretch of advocacy that I can't > endorse. > > It's very slow to start, it still looks like a > Windows app ported to > OSX. > > It can, however, open WordPerfect files, which is > why I use it. > > I encourage everyone to look at it and decide for > themselves. > > TjL > > > _______________________________________________ > HomeMac mailing list > HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/homemac > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From TheCraigLaw at aol.com Wed Nov 30 10:44:50 2005 From: TheCraigLaw at aol.com (TheCraigLaw@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 30 10:45:04 2005 Subject: [HM] Cable Modem Speed Message-ID: <15a.5db7b870.30bf4d22@aol.com> Hi, I have never understood the whole "data speed" issue with high-speed internet. Lately, however, I have been made aware that I may be getting duped by my carrier. My cable modem info page says I am getting the following performance: Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 3146000 Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 256000 Now, which of those figures do I use to compare my performance with the industry standards? Do I have 256k "high" speed internet, or 3.1mbps? Something tells me 256k... Thanks, ______________ Craig W. Atlanta GA PAYPAL [TheCraigLaw@aol.com] PREFERRED "Is not life a hundred times too short for us to bore ourselves?" - Friedrich Nietzsche ______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/homemac/attachments/20051130/f533a6f3/attachment.html From duanemurphy at mac.com Wed Nov 30 11:00:01 2005 From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy) Date: Wed Nov 30 11:00:07 2005 Subject: [HM] Cable Modem Speed In-Reply-To: <15a.5db7b870.30bf4d22@aol.com> References: <15a.5db7b870.30bf4d22@aol.com> Message-ID: <20051130190001.4557@linux.murphyslogic.com> --- At Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:44:50 -0500, TheCraigLaw@aol.com wrote: >Hi, I have never understood the whole "data speed" issue with high-speed >internet. Lately, however, I have been made aware that I may be getting >duped by my carrier. > >My cable modem info page says I am getting the following performance: >Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 3146000 >Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 256000 > >Now, which of those figures do I use to compare my performance with the >industry standards? Do I have 256k "high" speed internet, or 3.1mbps? >Something tells me 256k... Nope, you have 3.1 Mbs. Broadband connections are typically (but not always) asymmetric. That is the downstream speed (how fast data gets to your computer) is a different and usually faster speed than the upstream speed (how fast data leaves your computer). The rational is that most of us do web browsing and email reading. The protocol for web browsing has little tiny requests (upstream) with large responses (downstream) so upstream speed is more important. If you are running a server, then having fast downstream speed might be important because you are the one providing the data for web browsing, email reading, etc. So in comparing your speed to other broadband systems you have a 3Mb line. ...Duane From miche.doherty at gmail.com Wed Nov 30 11:04:33 2005 From: miche.doherty at gmail.com (Miche Doherty) Date: Wed Nov 30 11:04:41 2005 Subject: [HM] Cable Modem Speed In-Reply-To: <15a.5db7b870.30bf4d22@aol.com> References: <15a.5db7b870.30bf4d22@aol.com> Message-ID: <34a0c00bc090a59ca94c923d39da34c9@gmail.com> On 30 Nov 2005, at 6:44 pm, TheCraigLaw@aol.com wrote: > Hi, I have never understood the whole "data speed" issue with > high-speed internet. Lately, however, I have been made aware that I > may be getting duped by my carrier. > > My cable modem info page says I am getting the following performance: > Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 3146000 > Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 256000 > > Now, which of those figures do I use to compare my performance with > the industry standards? Do I have 256k "high" speed internet, or > 3.1mbps? Something tells me 256k... > You have an asymmetric connection: high-speed downloads (~3 Mbps) but relatively slow uploads. This is pretty typical of cable internet access, IME. Miche. From duanemurphy at mac.com Wed Nov 30 11:11:21 2005 From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy) Date: Wed Nov 30 11:11:25 2005 Subject: [HM] Cable Modem Speed In-Reply-To: <20051130190001.4557@linux.murphyslogic.com> References: <15a.5db7b870.30bf4d22@aol.com> <20051130190001.4557@linux.murphyslogic.com> Message-ID: <20051130191121.26336@linux.murphyslogic.com> --- At Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:00:01 -0800, Duane Murphy wrote: >The rational is that most of us do web browsing and email reading. The >protocol for web browsing has little tiny requests (upstream) with large >responses (downstream) so upstream speed is more important. Of course, I got this backward. The last part should read: so downstream speed is more important. ^^^^^^^^^^ ...Duane From TheCraigLaw at aol.com Wed Nov 30 13:25:00 2005 From: TheCraigLaw at aol.com (TheCraigLaw@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 30 13:25:05 2005 Subject: [HM] Cable Modem Speed Message-ID: <268.117faa1.30bf72ac@aol.com> Thanks for the information, everyone! Craig W. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/homemac/attachments/20051130/9e4107ba/attachment.html From janesprando at comcast.net Wed Nov 30 13:46:51 2005 From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando) Date: Wed Nov 30 13:47:02 2005 Subject: [HM] Cable Modem Speed In-Reply-To: <20051130191121.26336@linux.murphyslogic.com> Message-ID: Is cable faster than DSL? > From: Duane Murphy > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." > > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:11:21 -0800 > To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." > > Subject: Re: [HM] Cable Modem Speed > > --- At Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:00:01 -0800, Duane Murphy wrote: > >> The rational is that most of us do web browsing and email reading. The >> protocol for web browsing has little tiny requests (upstream) with large >> responses (downstream) so upstream speed is more important. > > Of course, I got this backward. The last part should read: > > so downstream speed is more important. > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > ...Duane From duanemurphy at mac.com Wed Nov 30 16:00:10 2005 From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy) Date: Wed Nov 30 16:00:19 2005 Subject: [HM] Cable Modem Speed In-Reply-To: References: <20051130191121.26336@linux.murphyslogic.com> Message-ID: <20051201000010.19815@linux.murphyslogic.com> Ah the never ending question. Ask a DSL provider and they say they are faster. Ask a cable modem provider and they are faster. The answer is that they are both pretty fast. Bits are bits. They both go similar speeds for similar dollars. They both have pluses and minuses and potential bottlenecks, so bit for bit, they are the same. For example the previous writer said he was getting 3 Mb on cable. I have 4Mb on DSL. I know people who can get 6Mb on DSL. I expect the same is true of cable. DSL is highly dependent on distance to the central office. Cable can be limited by the number of people using the same cable. So, compare speed to speed for the dollars to determine the best deals. ...Duane --- At Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:46:51 -0800, Jane Sprando wrote: >Is cable faster than DSL? > > >> From: Duane Murphy >> Reply-To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." >> >> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:11:21 -0800 >> To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." >> >> Subject: Re: [HM] Cable Modem Speed >> >> --- At Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:00:01 -0800, Duane Murphy wrote: >> >>> The rational is that most of us do web browsing and email reading. The >>> protocol for web browsing has little tiny requests (upstream) with large >>> responses (downstream) so upstream speed is more important. >> >> Of course, I got this backward. The last part should read: >> >> so downstream speed is more important. ...Duane From TheCraigLaw at aol.com Wed Nov 30 19:24:16 2005 From: TheCraigLaw at aol.com (TheCraigLaw@aol.com) Date: Wed Nov 30 19:24:28 2005 Subject: [HM] Cable Modem Speed Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/2005 7:00:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, duanemurphy@mac.com writes: > For example the previous writer said he was getting 3 Mb on cable. I > have 4Mb on DSL. I know people who can get 6Mb on DSL. I expect the same > is true of cable. DSL is highly dependent on distance to the central > office. Cable can be limited by the number of people using the same cable. > > So, compare speed to speed for the dollars to determine the best deals. > > ...Duane And (after calling my provider today) I learned it can depend on if your area of town has certain cable/DSL equipment or not... After I was educated today by you fine listers(!), I called my cable provider. Turns out that the highest speed my provider offers is 4Mbps/512k upstream, but in MY area (Lawrenceville, Georgia) the fastest is 3Mbps/256k upstream. I was then told a sweet lie about my area being able to have the 4Mbps access "in about 4-6 months." (THAT sounded alot like a lie I was told 10 years ago, when my cable TV provider in Houston told me that my area of town could only access 30 cable channels for the same price per month that other, newer sections of town paid for 100+ channels (before Digital Cable). That "4-6 month" time period lasted for two years...) Anyway, not uncoincidently(!), I then called my local DSL provider, and found out that my area of Lawrenceville has fiber optic lines, so if i elected to get DSL, I would not need a DSL modem. They could not answer how far I was from the central office to determine what kind of speed I coudl expect, though... ______________ Craig W. Atlanta GA PAYPAL [TheCraigLaw@aol.com] PREFERRED "Is not life a hundred times too short for us to bore ourselves?" - Friedrich Nietzsche ______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/homemac/attachments/20051130/bff03f8d/attachment.html From janesprando at comcast.net Wed Nov 30 19:26:36 2005 From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando) Date: Wed Nov 30 19:27:22 2005 Subject: [HM] Cable Modem Speed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Why wouldn?t you need a DSL modem? Jane From: Reply-To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home." Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:24:16 EST To: Subject: Re: [HM] Cable Modem Speed In a message dated 11/30/2005 7:00:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, duanemurphy@mac.com writes: > For example the previous writer said he was getting 3 Mb on cable. I > have 4Mb on DSL. I know people who can get 6Mb on DSL. I expect the same > is true of cable. DSL is highly dependent on distance to the central > office. Cable can be limited by the number of people using the same cable. > > So, compare speed to speed for the dollars to determine the best deals. > > ...Duane And (after calling my provider today) I learned it can depend on if your area of town has certain cable/DSL equipment or not... After I was educated today by you fine listers(!), I called my cable provider. Turns out that the highest speed my provider offers is 4Mbps/512k upstream, but in MY area (Lawrenceville, Georgia) the fastest is 3Mbps/256k upstream. I was then told a sweet lie about my area being able to have the 4Mbps access "in about 4-6 months." (THAT sounded alot like a lie I was told 10 years ago, when my cable TV provider in Houston told me that my area of town could only access 30 cable channels for the same price per month that other, newer sections of town paid for 100+ channels (before Digital Cable). That "4-6 month" time period lasted for two years...) Anyway, not uncoincidently(!), I then called my local DSL provider, and found out that my area of Lawrenceville has fiber optic lines, so if i elected to get DSL, I would not need a DSL modem. They could not answer how far I was from the central office to determine what kind of speed I coudl expect, though... ______________ Craig W. Atlanta GA PAYPAL [TheCraigLaw@aol.com] PREFERRED "Is not life a hundred times too short for us to bore ourselves?" - Friedrich Nietzsche ______________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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