From janesprando at comcast.net  Sat Sep  3 14:19:20 2005
From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando)
Date: Sat Sep  3 14:19:26 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
Message-ID: <BF3F6168.1182%janesprando@comcast.net>

I bought a LaCie external firewire drive. I set up the drive and needed to
format it with Disk Utility. The icon for LaCie was visible on my desktop.

I am running 10.2.8. I opened Disk utility, but couldn't find where to
initialize the drive. So I thought maybe partitioning/Current might do the
trick. I gave the drive a name and hit partition. Now the drive doesn't show
up at all and I get a message that I need to initialize it.

So..... What am I doing wrong? This should be so easy and I feel dumb! I
went to Apple support, but it doesn't tell me how to initialize!

Jane


From duanemurphy at mac.com  Sat Sep  3 19:43:30 2005
From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy)
Date: Sat Sep  3 19:43:49 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <BF3F6168.1182%janesprando@comcast.net>
References: <BF3F6168.1182%janesprando@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20050904024330.4314@linux.murphyslogic.com>

--- At Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:19:20 -0700, Jane Sprando wrote:

>So..... What am I doing wrong? This should be so easy and I feel dumb! I
>went to Apple support, but it doesn't tell me how to initialize!

The word your looking for is "Erase". In Disk Utility. Click on the
drive. Click on the Erase tab. Select a format (Mac OS Extended -
Journaled preferably). Give it a name and click Erase.

By the way, if the drive showed up on the Desktop, you probably didn't
need to do anything, but maybe it was formatted for Windows, so erasing
is a good idea.

 ...Duane

From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Sep  3 23:53:16 2005
From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen)
Date: Sat Sep  3 23:53:21 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <20050904024330.4314@linux.murphyslogic.com>
Message-ID: <BF40D6FC.18B4%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>

On 4/9/2005 12:43 PM, "Duane Murphy" <duanemurphy@mac.com> wrote:

> --- At Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:19:20 -0700, Jane Sprando wrote:
> 
>> So..... What am I doing wrong? This should be so easy and I feel dumb! I
>> went to Apple support, but it doesn't tell me how to initialize!

> By the way, if the drive showed up on the Desktop, you probably didn't
> need to do anything, but maybe it was formatted for Windows, so erasing
> is a good idea.

LaCie HD come formatted with FAT 32 which OS X is able to use and is best
when sharing the HD between Macs and PCs. Consequently many sales people
will tell you (mine did) that it is already formatted for Mac.

Not true, while Mac can use the Windows format, it works much more
efficiently in Mac OS X extended and journaled.

Having learned this via a similar false start, I suspect that LaCie does a
very poor job of communicating these things to end users.

Tony


From janesprando at comcast.net  Sun Sep  4 20:37:13 2005
From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando)
Date: Sun Sep  4 20:36:16 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <BF40D6FC.18B4%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <BF410B79.11B0%janesprando@comcast.net>

What does the journaled mean in <<Mac OS X extended and journaled>>? I
didn't find that in the choices.

jane


> From: Tony Johansen <tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>
> Reply-To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home."
> <homemac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:53:16 +1000
> To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home."
> <homemac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
> 
> On 4/9/2005 12:43 PM, "Duane Murphy" <duanemurphy@mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> --- At Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:19:20 -0700, Jane Sprando wrote:
>> 
>>> So..... What am I doing wrong? This should be so easy and I feel dumb! I
>>> went to Apple support, but it doesn't tell me how to initialize!
> 
>> By the way, if the drive showed up on the Desktop, you probably didn't
>> need to do anything, but maybe it was formatted for Windows, so erasing
>> is a good idea.
> 
> LaCie HD come formatted with FAT 32 which OS X is able to use and is best
> when sharing the HD between Macs and PCs. Consequently many sales people
> will tell you (mine did) that it is already formatted for Mac.
> 
> Not true, while Mac can use the Windows format, it works much more
> efficiently in Mac OS X extended and journaled.
> 
> Having learned this via a similar false start, I suspect that LaCie does a
> very poor job of communicating these things to end users.
> 
> Tony
> 


From duanemurphy at mac.com  Sun Sep  4 20:42:44 2005
From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy)
Date: Sun Sep  4 20:43:04 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <BF410B79.11B0%janesprando@comcast.net>
References: <BF40D6FC.18B4%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>
	<BF410B79.11B0%janesprando@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20050905034244.14762@linux.murphyslogic.com>

--- At Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:37:13 -0700, Jane Sprando wrote:

>What does the journaled mean in <<Mac OS X extended and journaled>>? I
>didn't find that in the choices.

Journaled is (theoretically) a way of restoring the files in the file
system if something goes awry. Journalling is essentially writing the
instructions that were used to change a file.

Here is an explanation from Apple <http://docs.info.apple.com/
article.html?artnum=107249>.

 ...Duane

From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au  Sun Sep  4 22:36:40 2005
From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen)
Date: Sun Sep  4 22:36:53 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <BF410B79.11B0%janesprando@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BF421688.18C5%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>

On 5/9/2005 1:37 PM, "Jane Sprando" <janesprando@comcast.net> wrote:

> What does the journaled mean in <<Mac OS X extended and journaled>>? I
> didn't find that in the choices.
> 
> jane

In Disk Utility you should find an 'Enable Journaling' button. Go to 'Help'
and in the contents for Disk Utility you will find 'Using journaling to
safeguard your information' Some things pretty well automatically journal,
and others need to be enabled manually.

Have fun,
Tony

From janesprando at comcast.net  Sun Sep  4 22:46:02 2005
From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando)
Date: Sun Sep  4 22:45:05 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <BF421688.18C5%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <BF4129AA.11C0%janesprando@comcast.net>

Tony, apparently 10.2.8 does not have the journaling feature.

Jane


> From: Tony Johansen <tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>
> Reply-To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home."
> <homemac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:36:40 +1000
> To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home."
> <homemac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
> 
> On 5/9/2005 1:37 PM, "Jane Sprando" <janesprando@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> What does the journaled mean in <<Mac OS X extended and journaled>>? I
>> didn't find that in the choices.
>> 
>> jane
> 
> In Disk Utility you should find an 'Enable Journaling' button. Go to 'Help'
> and in the contents for Disk Utility you will find 'Using journaling to
> safeguard your information' Some things pretty well automatically journal,
> and others need to be enabled manually.
> 
> Have fun,
> Tony
> 
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From lists at tntluoma.com  Sun Sep  4 22:54:06 2005
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy Luoma)
Date: Sun Sep  4 22:54:11 2005
Subject: [HM] Re: Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <BF4129AA.11C0%janesprando@comcast.net>
References: <BF4129AA.11C0%janesprando@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0FDFFE66-2CA0-4AE3-923E-1B7862960D79@tntluoma.com>


On Sep 5, 2005, at 1:46 AM, Jane Sprando wrote:

> Tony, apparently 10.2.8 does not have the journaling feature.

A quick trip through Google indicates that Journaling was added in  
10.2.2:

Google "journaled os x"

First hit: eweek reporting "10.2.2 will add journaling"

Googled "10.2.2 journaled"

3rd hit: eweek reporting "10.2.2 did add journaling"


From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Sep  5 02:30:47 2005
From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen)
Date: Mon Sep  5 02:30:50 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <BF4129AA.11C0%janesprando@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BF424D67.18CB%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>

On 5/9/2005 3:46 PM, "Jane Sprando" <janesprando@comcast.net> wrote:

> Tony, apparently 10.2.8 does not have the journaling feature.
> 
> Jane

Jane if true, bummer, but see Timothy's response, it seems not all is lost.

Another thing though, Isn't this one of numerous reasons to go to either
Panther or Tiger. I'm happy with staying with Panther a while yet, Apple in
it's usual arrogant local way charges an arm and a leg for Tiger here in
Australia (way above the conversion rate $US - $AU. Not happy Steve!) but
even Panther is a big improvement over Jaguar generally, methinks.

Tony

From janesprando at comcast.net  Mon Sep  5 21:07:29 2005
From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando)
Date: Mon Sep  5 21:05:59 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <BF424D67.18CB%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <BF426411.11E2%janesprando@comcast.net>

Tony, I found all the articles. I then went to Apple's support and it it
always mentions <server> with the update 10.2.2 journaling. I am not on a
server.

Jane


> From: Tony Johansen <tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>
> Reply-To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home."
> <homemac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:30:47 +1000
> To: "A place to discuss Macintosh Computers in the home."
> <homemac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com>
> Subject: Re: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
> 
> On 5/9/2005 3:46 PM, "Jane Sprando" <janesprando@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Tony, apparently 10.2.8 does not have the journaling feature.
>> 
>> Jane
> 
> Jane if true, bummer, but see Timothy's response, it seems not all is lost.
> 
> Another thing though, Isn't this one of numerous reasons to go to either
> Panther or Tiger. I'm happy with staying with Panther a while yet, Apple in
> it's usual arrogant local way charges an arm and a leg for Tiger here in
> Australia (way above the conversion rate $US - $AU. Not happy Steve!) but
> even Panther is a big improvement over Jaguar generally, methinks.
> 
> Tony
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> HomeMac@listserver.themacintoshguy.com
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> 
> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff:
>          http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984


From duanemurphy at mac.com  Mon Sep  5 21:30:15 2005
From: duanemurphy at mac.com (Duane Murphy)
Date: Mon Sep  5 21:30:45 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <BF426411.11E2%janesprando@comcast.net>
References: <BF424D67.18CB%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>
	<BF426411.11E2%janesprando@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20050906043015.12265@linux.murphyslogic.com>

--- At Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:07:29 -0700, Jane Sprando wrote:

>Tony, I found all the articles. I then went to Apple's support and it it
>always mentions <server> with the update 10.2.2 journaling. I am not on a
>server.

That's the information that was needed! Apple added Journaling to Mac OS
X 10.2.2 Server. Mac OS X Server is a different product than Mac OS X.
Mac OS X Server has additional capabilities needed to provide a network
wide server.

Journalling wasn't added to Mac OS X (I think) until 10.3 (Panther).

 ...Duane

From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Sep  5 22:17:12 2005
From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen)
Date: Mon Sep  5 22:17:15 2005
Subject: [HM] Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <BF426411.11E2%janesprando@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BF436378.18E1%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>

On 6/9/2005 2:07 PM, "Jane Sprando" <janesprando@comcast.net> wrote:

> Tony, I found all the articles. I then went to Apple's support and it it
> always mentions <server> with the update 10.2.2 journaling. I am not on a
> server.
> 
> Jane

Jane what a lot of time used that could have been used upgrading to an OS
that can journal and a whole lot more besides... Really, it's a good idea.
Mac OS has improved at each step in lots of ways.
:-)

From lists at tntluoma.com  Fri Sep  9 20:54:56 2005
From: lists at tntluoma.com (Timothy Luoma)
Date: Fri Sep  9 20:55:04 2005
Subject: [HM] Re: Trying to initialize an external drive
In-Reply-To: <20050906043015.12265@linux.murphyslogic.com>
References: <BF424D67.18CB%tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au>
	<BF426411.11E2%janesprando@comcast.net>
	<20050906043015.12265@linux.murphyslogic.com>
Message-ID: <C63031C8-319F-49C8-9CA3-7508D32457B7@tntluoma.com>


On Sep 6, 2005, at 12:30 AM, Duane Murphy wrote:

> --- At Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:07:29 -0700, Jane Sprando wrote:
>
>> Tony, I found all the articles. I then went to Apple's support and  
>> it it
>> always mentions <server> with the update 10.2.2 journaling. I am  
>> not on a
>> server.
>
> That's the information that was needed! Apple added Journaling to  
> Mac OS
> X 10.2.2 Server. Mac OS X Server is a different product than Mac OS X.
> Mac OS X Server has additional capabilities needed to provide a  
> network
> wide server.
>
> Journalling wasn't added to Mac OS X (I think) until 10.3 (Panther).


1) Google: "10.2.2 journaled" (as I mentioned before, no quotes)

2) First hit takes you to http://www.antipixel.com/blog/archives/ 
2002/11/12/greeting_from_1022.html

3) READ

4) Follow CLEAR LINK to http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php? 
story=2002111200220086

5) READ about ONE LINE COMMAND needed to enable journaling on OS X  
**client**



From janesprando at comcast.net  Thu Sep 22 19:42:19 2005
From: janesprando at comcast.net (Jane Sprando)
Date: Thu Sep 22 19:42:23 2005
Subject: [HM] Problem importing Excel file from Office 2001 to 2004
Message-ID: <BF58B99B.151F%janesprando@comcast.net>

I have an Excel database file that I did in Office 2001.  I opened Office
2004, Teacher edition, and imported the file. I have 2 problems.

1. The words in the custom header do not show up in the custom header box so
that I can edit them. I tried doing it from page set up and from  choosing
header/footer from the menu. Neither worked. Then I just tried typing in
words and they show up right over what is already there! What am I doing
wrong?

2. When I printed the page, it printed the whole file, but only took up
about 25% of the paper! I did not change any of the settings. How do I fix
this?

Jane


From mymaillist at mac.com  Sun Sep 25 09:53:45 2005
From: mymaillist at mac.com (Johns Maillist)
Date: Sun Sep 25 09:53:51 2005
Subject: [HM] Treo and dot Mac
In-Reply-To: <143c2bdb5c89e8cbd3495d5a8ba0e0cd@netresults.biz>
References: <559517c1e1482f9bbbcd5eb5e6e1c60b@sport.rr.com>
	<143c2bdb5c89e8cbd3495d5a8ba0e0cd@netresults.biz>
Message-ID: <ED0F172E-7ACD-4056-8665-44E4800B6D53@mac.com>

I am not sure where to take this question, so I will cross post it, I  
am sorry if this is an issue with anyone.

I have a Treo 650, and have been trying to get it to work with my dot  
mac account.
I have Cingular, and  It receives from my .mac server, no worries.
The sending is the issue.
Does anyone know the settings for using my Treo with this set-up.
Thanks, John