All point valid indeed. I never installed that stuff on the HD. CrashGuard was a joke! But it almost always fixed any problems I was having (until 9.2 then it would not boot from the cd... had to make a Zip disc to run it) But I do like the Optimize function and disk warrior does not have that... right? Maybe both are in order... once Norton gets on the 10.2+ bandwagon... They are probably waiting for Apple to settle down as well. Thanks all M On Thursday, April 17, 2003, at 12:55 AM, Charles Martin wrote: >> From: Matthew Guemple <mo.og at verizon.net> >> Message-Id: <4CF9CC2E-702B-11D7-ACE0-000A9566D3DC at verizon.net> >> >> Why are we saying that Norton is Bad? It's saved my bacon more than a >> few times, and having a full de-frag/optimize function is pretty >> great. > > There are three reasons why people say bad things about Norton > Utilities: > > 1. Since they were bought by Symantec, it seems to take *at least* > three point releases before the thing is actually safe to use. See > Norton 4.04, Norton 5.03, Norton 6.03 for reference. By contrast, Disk > Warrior hasn't received a serious update in YEARS (long before OS X > was even *available*) and yet continued to work flawlessly on drives > even after they've been converted over to OS X. Symantec is generally > blamed for > > 2. Numerous people (including myself) have experienced severe problems > when the product was installed on our hard drives. I have had this > problem both in OS 9 and OS X. Both times it was due to the > instability associated with the extensions the program inserted into > the system. The actual "Norton Disk Doctor" and "Norton SpeedDisk" > apps appear to work properly, but the extensions (one of them > ironically called CrashGuard) play havoc with the stability of the > operating system. This has resulted in everything from minor > corruption to severe data loss. Not good for a utility. > > 3. The inability of the product to catch and fix all problems. Norton > Utilities has always worked fine for me *when used exclusively from > the CD,* but compared to DiskWarrior it simply overlooks problems the > other product finds. When you add in the fact that Norton is more > expensive than it's competitors, well it's just not looking that good > anymore. > > _Chas_ > > Claiming that the Macintosh is inferior to Windows because most people > use Windows is like saying that all other restaurants are inferior to > McDonald's. > > > ---------- > <http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/MacDV.html>. > Send a message to <MacDV-DIGEST at themacintoshguy.com> to switch to the > digest version. > > XRouter | Share your DSL or cable modem between multiple computers! > Dr. Bott | Now $139.99 <http://www.drbott.com/prod/xrouter.html> > > Cyberian | Support this list when you buy at Outpost.com! > Outpost | http://www.themacintoshguy.com/outpost.shtml > > MacResQ Specials: LaCie SCSI CDR From $99! PowerBook 3400/200 Only > $879! Norton AntiVirus 6 Only $19! We Stock PARTS! > <http://www.macresq.com> > > ________________ Matthew Guemple Art Director/03 mo.og at verizon.net 646.734.6601 www.gridd.com http://www.creativehotlist.com/ index.asp?linkTarget=fullProfile.asp&indID=19599