From quicktimeguy at hotmail.com Sun Mar 6 19:59:13 2005 From: quicktimeguy at hotmail.com (John Davis) Date: Sun Mar 6 19:59:28 2005 Subject: [MPA] Multichannel Input/Output Message-ID: Is anyone using an audio input/output device which provides simultaneous recording/playback of more than two channels? From musicchefdancing at mac.com Sun Mar 6 20:23:54 2005 From: musicchefdancing at mac.com (Parker Worsham) Date: Sun Mar 6 20:23:57 2005 Subject: [MPA] Multichannel Input/Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9365fb92be5d7b6bddf64132073a1505@mac.com> I'm using a motu 896. There is a little bit of latency but not too bad, and you can monitor back any stereo pair of inputs before conversion which is really nice, allowing zero latency. Best of luck, Parker Worsham On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:59 PM, John Davis wrote: > Is anyone using an audio input/output device which provides > simultaneous recording/playback of more than two channels? > > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From blanc.cyril at wanadoo.fr Sun Mar 6 21:07:03 2005 From: blanc.cyril at wanadoo.fr (Cyril Blanc) Date: Sun Mar 6 21:07:10 2005 Subject: [MPA] Multichannel Input/Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71296215d8061915c1d7cf6fb718790c@wanadoo.fr> yes Motu system including : PCI 424 + 24i + 2048 MKII + 1296 (54 ins 12 outs) On Mar 7, 2005, at 4:59 AM, John Davis wrote: > Is anyone using an audio input/output device which provides > simultaneous recording/playback of more than two channels? Best regards Cyril Spam are filtered by Wanadoo, SPAMMERS you can remove all the @Wanadoo addresses for you SPAM Independent Quantum Leap Symphony orchestra forum (QLSO) for Mac http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qlso A6 Andromeda forum : ?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/A6_andromeda -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I get low frequency hum from my connected stereo, and feedback buzz from my plugged in guitar. running this on both a 17" powerbook and a G5 2.5. The guitar is connected to an M-Audio Firewire 410. Thanks David From carol at carolstein.com Mon Mar 7 08:34:20 2005 From: carol at carolstein.com (Carol Stein) Date: Mon Mar 7 08:34:26 2005 Subject: [MPA] Sound Problem in 10.3.8 In-Reply-To: <8855694d1f4262061e907cb9ba0cdbbf@mac.com> References: <8855694d1f4262061e907cb9ba0cdbbf@mac.com> Message-ID: <8a3555a88360be25a7d36ea0f687a020@carolstein.com> Hi David, I am having the same problem. I wish I had an answer. i am using the M-Audio audiophile with my G4 and I go through my EV mixer. It is driving me crazy with the hum. If you find a solution, would you mind sharing? I will certainly do the same. Thanks and good luck > > > Carol J. Stein www.carolstein.com 12420 Appomatox Dr. Orlando, Fl 32837 Tel/Fax: 407-438-8040 Mobile: (321)356-4264 E-Mail: carol@carolstein.com On Mar 7, 2005, at 11:02 AM, David DelMonte wrote: > Hi all, is anyone else experiencing sound problems in 10.3.8? Is there > a known problem? I get low frequency hum from my connected stereo, > and feedback buzz from my plugged in guitar. > > running this on both a 17" powerbook and a G5 2.5. The guitar is > connected to an M-Audio Firewire 410. > > Thanks > > David > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will certainly do > the same. > > Thanks and good luck >> >> >> > Carol J. Stein > www.carolstein.com > 12420 Appomatox Dr. > Orlando, Fl 32837 > Tel/Fax: 407-438-8040 > Mobile: (321)356-4264 > E-Mail: carol@carolstein.com > > > On Mar 7, 2005, at 11:02 AM, David DelMonte wrote: > >> Hi all, is anyone else experiencing sound problems in 10.3.8? Is >> there a known problem? I get low frequency hum from my connected >> stereo, and feedback buzz from my plugged in guitar. >> >> running this on both a 17" powerbook and a G5 2.5. The guitar is >> connected to an M-Audio Firewire 410. >> >> Thanks >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacProAudio mailing list >> MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! 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Make sure that everything in your computer system and your audio chain (interface, mixer, etc.) is using the same A.C. electrical circuit ... use one or more power bars if needed and have them all going to one plug-in at the end. Alternatively, if the M-Audio interface or any of your other audio equipment has a ground lift switch, lift the ground to see if that solves the problem. -- Gregg From aldomusic at pacificnet.com.mx Mon Mar 7 13:34:27 2005 From: aldomusic at pacificnet.com.mx (Aldo Rodriguez) Date: Mon Mar 7 13:34:41 2005 Subject: [MPA] Swissonic USB Studio D problems with PB 1ghz Titanium Message-ID: Hi everyone! I can?t configure my usb studio D by Swissonic with my powerbook... Somebody knows where can I download asio drivers for mac compatible with this equipment? Thanks for your help... Aldo Rodriguez From carol at carolstein.com Mon Mar 7 15:26:33 2005 From: carol at carolstein.com (Carol Stein) Date: Mon Mar 7 15:26:38 2005 Subject: [MPA] Sound Problem in 10.3.8 In-Reply-To: References: <8855694d1f4262061e907cb9ba0cdbbf@mac.com> <8a3555a88360be25a7d36ea0f687a020@carolstein.com> Message-ID: <5072bb4f58bd1ae5257b4f15d1592242@carolstein.com> Hi David, I do not have any firewire adapters. I just use the firewire directly from my video camera to my computer for my digital video input. Carol J. Stein www.carolstein.com 12420 Appomatox Dr. Orlando, Fl 32837 Tel/Fax: 407-438-8040 Mobile: (321)356-4264 E-Mail: carol@carolstein.com On Mar 7, 2005, at 2:11 PM, David DelMonte wrote: > Carol, do you have any extra firewire adapters installed? > > I may be narrowing down the problem to one of these devices. > > David > > On Mar 7, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Carol Stein wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> I am having the same problem. I wish I had an answer. i am using the >> M-Audio audiophile with my G4 and I go through my EV mixer. It is >> driving me crazy with the hum. >> >> If you find a solution, would you mind sharing? I will certainly do >> the same. >> >> Thanks and good luck >>> >>> >>> >> Carol J. Stein >> www.carolstein.com >> 12420 Appomatox Dr. >> Orlando, Fl 32837 >> Tel/Fax: 407-438-8040 >> Mobile: (321)356-4264 >> E-Mail: carol@carolstein.com >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2005, at 11:02 AM, David DelMonte wrote: >> >>> Hi all, is anyone else experiencing sound problems in 10.3.8? Is >>> there a known problem? I get low frequency hum from my connected >>> stereo, and feedback buzz from my plugged in guitar. >>> >>> running this on both a 17" powerbook and a G5 2.5. The guitar is >>> connected to an M-Audio Firewire 410. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacProAudio mailing list >>> MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >>> stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> _______________________________________________ >> MacProAudio mailing list >> MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> >> http://search.ebay.com/ >> _W0QQsassZmacguy1984_______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2512 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macproaudio/attachments/20050307/4f1e3b33/attachment.bin From carol at carolstein.com Mon Mar 7 15:27:27 2005 From: carol at carolstein.com (Carol Stein) Date: Mon Mar 7 15:27:31 2005 Subject: [MPA] Sound Problem in 10.3.8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f91e3b1760b7ec2ed55602b76095624@carolstein.com> Thanks for taking the time to answer. I will check out the circuit situation Carol On Mar 7, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Gregg Gorrie wrote: > on 3/7/05 8:02 AM, David DelMonte at ddelmonte@mac.com wrote: > >> Hi all, is anyone else experiencing sound problems in 10.3.8? Is there >> a known problem? I get low frequency hum from my connected stereo, >> and >> feedback buzz from my plugged in guitar. >> >> running this on both a 17" powerbook and a G5 2.5. The guitar is >> connected to an M-Audio Firewire 410. >> >> Thanks >> >> David > > It sounds like what you're experiencing is a ground loop. Make sure > that > everything in your computer system and your audio chain (interface, > mixer, > etc.) is using the same A.C. electrical circuit ... use one or more > power > bars if needed and have them all going to one plug-in at the end. > > Alternatively, if the M-Audio interface or any of your other audio > equipment > has a ground lift switch, lift the ground to see if that solves the > problem. > -- > Gregg > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > Carol J. Stein www.carolstein.com 12420 Appomatox Dr. Orlando, Fl 32837 Tel/Fax: 407-438-8040 Mobile: (321)356-4264 E-Mail: carol@carolstein.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1564 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macproaudio/attachments/20050307/1a760f2a/attachment-0001.bin From ggorrie at telus.net Tue Mar 8 00:51:02 2005 From: ggorrie at telus.net (Gregg Gorrie) Date: Tue Mar 8 00:50:11 2005 Subject: [MPA] Sound Problem in 10.3.8 In-Reply-To: <1f91e3b1760b7ec2ed55602b76095624@carolstein.com> Message-ID: on 3/7/05 3:27 PM, Carol Stein at carol@carolstein.com wrote: > Thanks for taking the time to answer. I will check out the circuit > situation > Carol > >> It sounds like what you're experiencing is a ground loop. Make sure >> that >> everything in your computer system and your audio chain (interface, >> mixer, >> etc.) is using the same A.C. electrical circuit ... use one or more >> power >> bars if needed and have them all going to one plug-in at the end. >> >> Alternatively, if the M-Audio interface or any of your other audio >> equipment >> has a ground lift switch, lift the ground to see if that solves the >> problem. >> -- >> Gregg No problem. Please let me know if this fixes your problem (both you and David). Carol, this solution should also include all of your video equipment (ie camera, monitor, etc.) as well as the audio and computer equipment. -- Gregg From ddelmonte at mac.com Tue Mar 8 02:37:56 2005 From: ddelmonte at mac.com (David DelMonte) Date: Tue Mar 8 02:38:01 2005 Subject: [MPA] Sound Problem in 10.3.8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a5d7e03ef72c49bd98dcf14de535228@mac.com> Gregg, I think it did fix the problem - but it is not fully satisfying. Yes, everything is plugged into the same outlet - in fact - to a UPS device (APC). But I also had to wiggle the audio cable (RCA) in order to get the buzz to stop. Can you please explain a little about how a ground loop happens? David ps. I of course swapped audio cables. same experience. On Mar 8, 2005, at 3:51 AM, Gregg Gorrie wrote: > on 3/7/05 3:27 PM, Carol Stein at carol@carolstein.com wrote: > >> Thanks for taking the time to answer. I will check out the circuit >> situation >> Carol >> > >>> It sounds like what you're experiencing is a ground loop. Make sure >>> that >>> everything in your computer system and your audio chain (interface, >>> mixer, >>> etc.) is using the same A.C. electrical circuit ... use one or more >>> power >>> bars if needed and have them all going to one plug-in at the end. >>> >>> Alternatively, if the M-Audio interface or any of your other audio >>> equipment >>> has a ground lift switch, lift the ground to see if that solves the >>> problem. >>> -- >>> Gregg > > No problem. Please let me know if this fixes your problem (both you and > David). > > Carol, this solution should also include all of your video equipment > (ie > camera, monitor, etc.) as well as the audio and computer equipment. > > -- > Gregg > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jshaf at jayshaffer.com Tue Mar 8 06:39:30 2005 From: jshaf at jayshaffer.com (Jay Shaffer) Date: Tue Mar 8 06:39:38 2005 Subject: [MPA] Sound Problem in 10.3.8 In-Reply-To: <5a5d7e03ef72c49bd98dcf14de535228@mac.com> References: <5a5d7e03ef72c49bd98dcf14de535228@mac.com> Message-ID: Definitely get rid of that RCA cable. A good article on ground loops is available at: http://www.epanorama.net/documents/groundloop/index.html Also UPSs can be problematic. (Big transformers, sine wave clipping and floating grounds.) maybe look at a power conditioner instead. -- Jay Shaffer Mac Audio Guy Author of "The MacAddict Guide to Making Music with GarageBand" mag@jayshaffer.com http://macaudioguy.com/ On Mar 8, 2005, at 3:37 AM, David DelMonte wrote: > Gregg, I think it did fix the problem - but it is not fully > satisfying. Yes, everything is plugged into the same outlet - in fact > - to a UPS device (APC). But I also had to wiggle the audio cable > (RCA) in order to get the buzz to stop. > > Can you please explain a little about how a ground loop happens? > > David > > ps. I of course swapped audio cables. same experience. > > On Mar 8, 2005, at 3:51 AM, Gregg Gorrie wrote: > >> on 3/7/05 3:27 PM, Carol Stein at carol@carolstein.com wrote: >> >>> Thanks for taking the time to answer. I will check out the circuit >>> situation >>> Carol >>> >> >>>> It sounds like what you're experiencing is a ground loop. Make sure >>>> that >>>> everything in your computer system and your audio chain (interface, >>>> mixer, >>>> etc.) is using the same A.C. electrical circuit ... use one or more >>>> power >>>> bars if needed and have them all going to one plug-in at the end. >>>> >>>> Alternatively, if the M-Audio interface or any of your other audio >>>> equipment >>>> has a ground lift switch, lift the ground to see if that solves the >>>> problem. >>>> -- >>>> Gregg >> >> No problem. Please let me know if this fixes your problem (both you >> and >> David). >> >> Carol, this solution should also include all of your video equipment >> (ie >> camera, monitor, etc.) as well as the audio and computer equipment. >> >> -- >> Gregg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacProAudio mailing list >> MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From jshaf at jayshaffer.com Thu Mar 17 12:07:43 2005 From: jshaf at jayshaffer.com (Jay Shaffer) Date: Thu Mar 17 12:07:46 2005 Subject: [MPA] Logic Express Free Trial Message-ID: Want to check out Logic Express for free ? Check out the 30 day free trial available at: http://www.apple.com/logicexpress/trial/ How cool is THAT! -- Jay Shaffer Mac Audio Guy Author of "The MacAddict Guide to Making Music with GarageBand" mag@jayshaffer.com http://macaudioguy.com/ From jshaf at jayshaffer.com Mon Mar 21 09:04:45 2005 From: jshaf at jayshaffer.com (Jay Shaffer) Date: Mon Mar 21 09:04:49 2005 Subject: [MPA] The Dark Side grows, Avid to acquire Pinnacle. Message-ID: <3247c385475a106c236b5c3fbf542e60@jayshaffer.com> In a move to dominate the audio and video production software market, Avid Technology will aquire Pinnacle in a cash and stock transaction deal valued at $462 million or a 30% premium over Pinnacle's closing stock price of $4.97. Pinnacle Systems primary product is entry level video editing software, but it also has broadcast video editing software, which compete with Avid's products. Pinnacle also owns Steinberg, makers of Cubase and Nuendo Audio software, Avid owns Digidesign maker of Pro-Tools which competes with Steinberg's products. This move by Avid can only be seen as predatory. And will lead to the eventual demise of both Pinnacle Systems and Steinberg. It will also leave very few competeing products on the audio and video playing field. Apple's Final Cut Pro and Logic may the only products left to compete. Avid is evil. It is the dark side. Remain strong Mac Jedi! -- Jay Shaffer Mac Audio Guy Author of "The MacAddict Guide to Making Music with GarageBand" mag@jayshaffer.com http://macaudioguy.com/ From peterkirn at mac.com Mon Mar 21 09:11:24 2005 From: peterkirn at mac.com (Peter Kirn) Date: Mon Mar 21 09:11:28 2005 Subject: [MPA] The Dark Side grows, Avid to acquire Pinnacle. In-Reply-To: <3247c385475a106c236b5c3fbf542e60@jayshaffer.com> References: <3247c385475a106c236b5c3fbf542e60@jayshaffer.com> Message-ID: Hey Jay -- Jedi, remain strong, but check your facts! ;-) Pinnacle no longer owns Steinberg. It was acquired by Yamaha a few months ago. I talk about this today on my blog: http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=327&Itemid=44 In fact, Avid probably wouldn't have bothered paying the $$ for Pinnacle if they still owned Steinberg; it would have increased the price for software they didn't want anyway. This deal is entirely about video, not audio. And unless you're a really huge fan of Dazzle on the PC, not too much reason to cry, though this does make Avid more powerful in the broadcast market. I'm guessing Pinnacle put Steinberg on the block in order to slim themselves down to be taken over themselves. Peter On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Jay Shaffer wrote: > In a move to dominate the audio and video production software market, > Avid Technology will aquire Pinnacle in a cash and stock transaction > deal valued at $462 million or a 30% premium over Pinnacle's closing > stock price of $4.97. > Pinnacle Systems primary product is entry level video editing > software, but it also has broadcast video editing software, which > compete with Avid's products. Pinnacle also owns Steinberg, makers of > Cubase and Nuendo Audio software, Avid owns Digidesign maker of > Pro-Tools which competes with Steinberg's products. > This move by Avid can only be seen as predatory. And will lead to the > eventual demise of both Pinnacle Systems and Steinberg. It will also > leave very few competeing products on the audio and video playing > field. Apple's Final Cut Pro and Logic may the only products left to > compete. > Avid is evil. It is the dark side. Remain strong Mac Jedi! > -- > Jay Shaffer > Mac Audio Guy > Author of "The MacAddict Guide to Making Music with GarageBand" > mag@jayshaffer.com > http://macaudioguy.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From peterkirn at mac.com Mon Mar 21 09:16:21 2005 From: peterkirn at mac.com (Peter Kirn) Date: Mon Mar 21 09:16:26 2005 Subject: [MPA] The Dark Side grows, Avid to acquire Pinnacle. In-Reply-To: <3247c385475a106c236b5c3fbf542e60@jayshaffer.com> References: <3247c385475a106c236b5c3fbf542e60@jayshaffer.com> Message-ID: <45340f5b14d6f914408b91513b1aa9be@mac.com> Incidentally, competing products: Pro Tools: Logic Express/Pro Ableton Live Mackie Tracktion MOTU Digital Performer Steinberg Cubase Steinberg Nuendo Cakewalk SONAR (PC) FL Studio (PC) (I'll defend all of these choices, as all are being used to make pro albums -- even GarageBand!) Avid video: Final Cut Pro Sony Vegas, etc. (PC) Digidesign / M-Audio hardware: Focusrite Edirol MOTU Lexicon Mackie Yamaha Tascam (I could go on . . .) Avid/Digidesign has a tremendous amount of hegemony, but there are nearly endless alternatives for those who look. Audio consumers too often assume they should buy on the Avid brand alone, and that's never smart. There are lots and lots of alternatives -- often cheaper, often more capable than Avid/Digi offerings or reaching markets Avid doesn't target. Peter On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Jay Shaffer wrote: > In a move to dominate the audio and video production software market, > Avid Technology will aquire Pinnacle in a cash and stock transaction > deal valued at $462 million or a 30% premium over Pinnacle's closing > stock price of $4.97. > Pinnacle Systems primary product is entry level video editing > software, but it also has broadcast video editing software, which > compete with Avid's products. Pinnacle also owns Steinberg, makers of > Cubase and Nuendo Audio software, Avid owns Digidesign maker of > Pro-Tools which competes with Steinberg's products. > This move by Avid can only be seen as predatory. And will lead to the > eventual demise of both Pinnacle Systems and Steinberg. It will also > leave very few competeing products on the audio and video playing > field. Apple's Final Cut Pro and Logic may the only products left to > compete. > Avid is evil. It is the dark side. Remain strong Mac Jedi! > -- > Jay Shaffer > Mac Audio Guy > Author of "The MacAddict Guide to Making Music with GarageBand" > mag@jayshaffer.com > http://macaudioguy.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From jshaf at jayshaffer.com Mon Mar 21 09:44:49 2005 From: jshaf at jayshaffer.com (Jay Shaffer) Date: Mon Mar 21 09:44:55 2005 Subject: [MPA] The Dark Side grows, Avid to acquire Pinnacle. In-Reply-To: References: <3247c385475a106c236b5c3fbf542e60@jayshaffer.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter I stand corrected on the Steinberg thing. I'll send a correction from my blog also. Avid already has an entry level video editing product Avid DV and it's a free download (except for the signing over your soul part.) I'll bet you a Firewire cable that development will soon cease on Dazzle. In the high-end video editing market, in years of video editing I've never been asked if i could edit on a Vegas, I've only seen one system in the Denver broadcast market, By necessity I can edit using Avid Or FCP. Avid Media Composer still dominates our pro market, although most newer companies seem to be going with FCP/ AJA Kona systems. Thanks again for keeping me factual. -- Jay On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Peter Kirn wrote: > Hey Jay -- Jedi, remain strong, but check your facts! ;-) > > Pinnacle no longer owns Steinberg. It was acquired by Yamaha a few > months ago. I talk about this today on my blog: > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php? > option=com_content&task=view&id=327&Itemid=44 > > In fact, Avid probably wouldn't have bothered paying the $$ for > Pinnacle if they still owned Steinberg; it would have increased the > price for software they didn't want anyway. This deal is entirely > about video, not audio. And unless you're a really huge fan of Dazzle > on the PC, not too much reason to cry, though this does make Avid more > powerful in the broadcast market. > > I'm guessing Pinnacle put Steinberg on the block in order to slim > themselves down to be taken over themselves. > > Peter > > On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Jay Shaffer wrote: > >> In a move to dominate the audio and video production software >> market, Avid Technology will aquire Pinnacle in a cash and stock >> transaction deal valued at $462 million or a 30% premium over >> Pinnacle's closing stock price of $4.97. >> Pinnacle Systems primary product is entry level video editing >> software, but it also has broadcast video editing software, which >> compete with Avid's products. Pinnacle also owns Steinberg, makers of >> Cubase and Nuendo Audio software, Avid owns Digidesign maker of >> Pro-Tools which competes with Steinberg's products. >> This move by Avid can only be seen as predatory. And will lead to the >> eventual demise of both Pinnacle Systems and Steinberg. It will also >> leave very few competeing products on the audio and video playing >> field. Apple's Final Cut Pro and Logic may the only products left to >> compete. >> Avid is evil. It is the dark side. Remain strong Mac Jedi! >> -- >> Jay Shaffer >> Mac Audio Guy >> Author of "The MacAddict Guide to Making Music with GarageBand" >> mag@jayshaffer.com >> http://macaudioguy.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacProAudio mailing list >> MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From wyldceltic1 at mac.com Mon Mar 21 10:31:08 2005 From: wyldceltic1 at mac.com (wyldceltic1) Date: Mon Mar 21 10:31:06 2005 Subject: [MPA] Re: Avid and Dark side.... In-Reply-To: <20050321174456.1DD4734B1FD@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20050321174456.1DD4734B1FD@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <598924d1866c974faddd9584ccd2338f@mac.com> Yes, Mac makes us strong and there's NO way I shall sully my gear with The Dark Side's stuff... Blech to Avid! On Mar 21, 2005, at 9:44 AM, macproaudio-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > Avid is evil. It is the dark side. Remain strong Mac Jedi! > -- > Jay Shaffer > Mac Audio Guy From peterkirn at mac.com Mon Mar 21 10:33:55 2005 From: peterkirn at mac.com (Peter Kirn) Date: Mon Mar 21 10:34:00 2005 Subject: [MPA] The Dark Side grows, Avid to acquire Pinnacle. In-Reply-To: References: <3247c385475a106c236b5c3fbf542e60@jayshaffer.com> Message-ID: <7973586455f96abc93937c5abe4e978b@mac.com> Oh yeah, I agree! Avid has an absolute stranglehold on video/film production, just as Pro Tools in the studio, competitors aside. So I'm sure Sony and Apple will be watching this one closely. Peter On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Jay Shaffer wrote: > Thanks Peter > I stand corrected on the Steinberg thing. I'll send a correction from > my blog also. > Avid already has an entry level video editing product Avid DV and it's > a free download (except for the signing over your soul part.) I'll bet > you a Firewire cable that development will soon cease on Dazzle. > In the high-end video editing market, in years of video editing I've > never been asked if i could edit on a Vegas, I've only seen one > system in the Denver broadcast market, By necessity I can edit using > Avid Or FCP. Avid Media Composer still dominates our pro market, > although most newer companies seem to be going with FCP/ AJA Kona > systems. > Thanks again for keeping me factual. > -- > Jay > > > > On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Peter Kirn wrote: > >> Hey Jay -- Jedi, remain strong, but check your facts! ;-) >> >> Pinnacle no longer owns Steinberg. It was acquired by Yamaha a few >> months ago. I talk about this today on my blog: >> >> http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php? >> option=com_content&task=view&id=327&Itemid=44 >> >> In fact, Avid probably wouldn't have bothered paying the $$ for >> Pinnacle if they still owned Steinberg; it would have increased the >> price for software they didn't want anyway. This deal is entirely >> about video, not audio. And unless you're a really huge fan of Dazzle >> on the PC, not too much reason to cry, though this does make Avid >> more powerful in the broadcast market. >> >> I'm guessing Pinnacle put Steinberg on the block in order to slim >> themselves down to be taken over themselves. >> >> Peter >> >> On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:04 PM, Jay Shaffer wrote: >> >>> In a move to dominate the audio and video production software >>> market, Avid Technology will aquire Pinnacle in a cash and stock >>> transaction deal valued at $462 million or a 30% premium over >>> Pinnacle's closing stock price of $4.97. >>> Pinnacle Systems primary product is entry level video editing >>> software, but it also has broadcast video editing software, which >>> compete with Avid's products. Pinnacle also owns Steinberg, makers >>> of Cubase and Nuendo Audio software, Avid owns Digidesign maker of >>> Pro-Tools which competes with Steinberg's products. >>> This move by Avid can only be seen as predatory. And will lead to >>> the eventual demise of both Pinnacle Systems and Steinberg. It will >>> also leave very few competeing products on the audio and video >>> playing field. Apple's Final Cut Pro and Logic may the only products >>> left to compete. >>> Avid is evil. It is the dark side. Remain strong Mac Jedi! >>> -- >>> Jay Shaffer >>> Mac Audio Guy >>> Author of "The MacAddict Guide to Making Music with GarageBand" >>> mag@jayshaffer.com >>> http://macaudioguy.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacProAudio mailing list >>> MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >>> stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacProAudio mailing list >> MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From balexan1 at twcny.rr.com Mon Mar 21 11:00:57 2005 From: balexan1 at twcny.rr.com (Bob Alexander) Date: Mon Mar 21 11:02:44 2005 Subject: [MPA] Mac Firewire is coming when? In-Reply-To: <20050321174456.1DD4734B1FD@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <8F23A79A-9A3B-11D9-8C19-000393D28176@twcny.rr.com> I don't want anybody to be sued by the Apple police, but should I wait until Andromeda, or whatever it's called breaks water, or just go get something, like an Edirol UA-25. bob Alexander From yaoski2 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 21 13:33:31 2005 From: yaoski2 at hotmail.com (KweYao Agyapon) Date: Mon Mar 21 13:33:33 2005 Subject: [MPA] Logic Pro discussion... Message-ID: Greetings, folks, Can anyone here recommend a good discussion group specifically geared toward Logic. I have/am trying to use Logic Pro 7 on a 15" Al PowerBook. Peace, Yaoski _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From AcuTkd at aol.com Mon Mar 21 14:29:06 2005 From: AcuTkd at aol.com (AcuTkd@aol.com) Date: Mon Mar 21 14:29:15 2005 Subject: [MPA] No more PCI slots? Message-ID: <111.4670a1e5.2f70a4b2@aol.com> Anyonne heard the roumor that Aplle is eliminating PCI slots, thus rendering ALL our hardware useless on newer machines?-Lon From luke at snarl.org Mon Mar 21 15:06:48 2005 From: luke at snarl.org (Luke Snarl) Date: Mon Mar 21 15:06:57 2005 Subject: [MPA] No more PCI slots? In-Reply-To: <111.4670a1e5.2f70a4b2@aol.com> References: <111.4670a1e5.2f70a4b2@aol.com> Message-ID: <5f46de606befba10d38e7464d3af2fb5@snarl.org> I haven't used a PCI card for about 5 years always used FW and USBV extn devices with no problems.... :L http://snarl.org On 22/03/2005, at 9:29, AcuTkd@aol.com wrote: > Anyonne heard the roumor that Aplle is eliminating PCI slots, thus > rendering > ALL our hardware useless on newer machines?-Lon > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From blanc.cyril at wanadoo.fr Mon Mar 21 18:31:24 2005 From: blanc.cyril at wanadoo.fr (Cyril Blanc) Date: Mon Mar 21 18:31:40 2005 Subject: [MPA] No more PCI slots? In-Reply-To: <111.4670a1e5.2f70a4b2@aol.com> References: <111.4670a1e5.2f70a4b2@aol.com> Message-ID: <7dc214e3b2313c813aa26a7935c07436@wanadoo.fr> What are they going to use ! I have heard of PCI X 2.0 FW is very not a solution for heavy traffic, Apple does not support booting on a FW disk, they say that FW is not relyable enough This is the joke of the day, the 1st of April is next week On Mar 21, 2005, at 11:29 PM, AcuTkd@aol.com wrote: > Anyonne heard the roumor that Aplle is eliminating PCI slots, thus > rendering > ALL our hardware useless on newer machines?-Lon Best regards Cyril My Mails are filtered by the SPAM engine of Wanadoo. SPAMMERS you can remove all the @Wanadoo addresses for you SPAM Join the independent Quantum Leap Symphony orchestra forum (QLSO) for Mac http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qlso A6 Andromeda forum : ?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/A6_andromeda -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1076 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macproaudio/attachments/20050322/2b9d351a/attachment.bin From healyzh at aracnet.com Mon Mar 21 18:54:04 2005 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Mon Mar 21 18:54:11 2005 Subject: [MPA] No more PCI slots? In-Reply-To: <111.4670a1e5.2f70a4b2@aol.com> References: <111.4670a1e5.2f70a4b2@aol.com> Message-ID: >Anyonne heard the roumor that Aplle is eliminating PCI slots, thus rendering >ALL our hardware useless on newer machines?-Lon My Dual 2Ghz G5 (original model), has PCI-X slots, which means I can't use some PCI cards (which I think includes all Mac PCI cards I own). In the PC world, PCI-X slots are reserved for servers, and everything seems to be moving to PC-Express slots. The only PCI card this really bothers me about though is my Darla24 sound card, I'll admit I should replace it, but instead, I'm simply trying to find time to move it from my PowerMac 8500/180 to my G4/450 AGP. The G4 wouldn't support the card when I got the card as G4's were to new, but it should hopefully work now. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From mac at wooz.org Tue Mar 22 06:52:11 2005 From: mac at wooz.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue Mar 22 06:52:15 2005 Subject: [MPA] No more PCI slots? In-Reply-To: <7dc214e3b2313c813aa26a7935c07436@wanadoo.fr> References: <111.4670a1e5.2f70a4b2@aol.com> <7dc214e3b2313c813aa26a7935c07436@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <1111503130.4666.29.camel@geddy.wooz.org> On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 21:31, Cyril Blanc wrote: > What are they going to use ! I have heard of PCI X 2.0 BTW, does anybody know if the M-Audio Delta 66 PCI card is compatible with the new G5's? I've been seriously thinking about upgrading from my dual 1.4 G4 but I'd rather not buy a new audio interface (the Delta 66 + Omni I/O works so well!). Thanks, -Barry From olh at hyperback.com Tue Mar 22 07:48:28 2005 From: olh at hyperback.com (Bob Olhsson) Date: Tue Mar 22 07:47:30 2005 Subject: [MPA] The Dark Side grows, Avid to acquire Pinnacle. In-Reply-To: <7973586455f96abc93937c5abe4e978b@mac.com> References: <3247c385475a106c236b5c3fbf542e60@jayshaffer.com> <7973586455f96abc93937c5abe4e978b@mac.com> Message-ID: At 1:33 PM -0500 3/21/05, Peter Kirn wrote: >Oh yeah, I agree! Avid has an absolute stranglehold on video/film >production, just as Pro Tools in the studio, competitors aside. So >I'm sure Sony and Apple will be watching this one closely. Stranglehold? A new video editing system is a drop in the bucket towards the cost of pro video and film production. Exactly as in music, Avid is dominant because they had the first and best reasonably priced product on the market and nobody is about to replace their Avid or Pro Tools system with anything cheaper that is an unknown quantity even if it appears to be somewhat better. There's a big difference between the market for first time individual purchasers and that for established production facilities. If somebody comes up with something SIGNIFICANTLY better than Avid or Pro Tools, you'll see the entire industry switch platforms in a heartbeat but I'm not at all sure that's Apple's game plan. They act like they want to sell BMWs and not Mack trucks. -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN (615).385.8051 Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control http://www.hyperback.com/ Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! From jvierra at verizon.net Tue Mar 22 09:21:18 2005 From: jvierra at verizon.net (jvierra@verizon.net) Date: Tue Mar 22 09:21:25 2005 Subject: [MPA] No more PCI slots? Message-ID: <29902932.1111512078585.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> The PCI version of the Delta 66 does not work in the G5. M Audio does sell a version that will work in the G5 though. I believe that a $50 exchange and your card sent back to M Audio is all that it will take. Check the M Audio web site for details. BTW, I also use the Delta 66/Omni combo and I think it is tremendous. I haven't seen anything else with the versatility that it has. I am thinking about buying another Omni just to have in case mine blows up. They don't make the PCI version anymore from I have heard. >From: Barry Warsaw >Date: Tue Mar 22 08:52:11 CST 2005 >To: "A place to discuss professional audio on Macintosh." >Subject: Re: [MPA] No more PCI slots? >On Mon, 2005-03-21 at 21:31, Cyril Blanc wrote: >> What are they going to use ! I have heard of PCI X 2.0 > >BTW, does anybody know if the M-Audio Delta 66 PCI card is compatible >with the new G5's? I've been seriously thinking about upgrading from my >dual 1.4 G4 but I'd rather not buy a new audio interface (the Delta 66 + >Omni I/O works so well!). > >Thanks, >-Barry > > >_______________________________________________ >MacProAudio mailing list >MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From coolcat at hostalive.com Mon Mar 28 09:34:13 2005 From: coolcat at hostalive.com (revDAVE) Date: Mon Mar 28 09:34:22 2005 Subject: [MPA] Sound Problem in 10.3.8 In-Reply-To: <8855694d1f4262061e907cb9ba0cdbbf@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello David, I'm not sure about the G5 - however the longstanding subject of hum and noise related to the mini Jack outputs goes all the way back to G4 desktops ( maybe before). I myself have a dual 1.25 G4 using Panther 10.3.5 and the mini Jack output has a horrible hum and noise and is totally unusable on any kind of musical level. However - the output of my motu 2408 is dead silent as far as noise - So I of course use that for my musical output. personally I would doubt that Panther 10.3.8 is the culprit ... But maybe... On 3/7/05 8:02 AM, "David DelMonte" wrote: > Hi all, is anyone else experiencing sound problems in 10.3.8? Is there > a known problem? I get low frequency hum from my connected stereo, and > feedback buzz from my plugged in guitar. > > running this on both a 17" powerbook and a G5 2.5. The guitar is > connected to an M-Audio Firewire 410. > > Thanks > > David -- Thanks - RevDave CoolCat@hostalive.com [db-lists]