From PCHRISTY at houston.rr.com Tue Nov 8 14:12:39 2005 From: PCHRISTY at houston.rr.com (PCHRISTY@houston.rr.com) Date: Tue Nov 8 14:12:45 2005 Subject: [MPA] Intel-Powered Powerbooks Message-ID: Does anyone remember when the first Powerbooks with "Intel Inside" will be arriving? And do we know if Pro Tools will be ready for the new chip? PC From scart at sympatico.ca Tue Nov 8 14:21:10 2005 From: scart at sympatico.ca (s*) Date: Tue Nov 8 14:21:20 2005 Subject: [MPA] Intel-Powered Powerbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Digidesign frequently seems to take their sweet time upgrading Pro Tools for new changes. If Pro Tools does not just work on OS that comes on the first Intel Macs, we may be waiting a few months before they do complete it. Personally I would not buy one of the first generation of Intel Macs. I used to be an Apple service technician and I have found that the first run of any mac series computers are almost always their lemming machines and who knows how solid they will run overall. If you do decide to be a guinee pig, please let me know how Pro Tools runs for you on them. Good Luck, -s* On 8-Nov-05, at 5:12 PM, PCHRISTY@houston.rr.com wrote: > Does anyone remember when the first Powerbooks with "Intel Inside" > will > be arriving? And do we know if Pro Tools will be ready for the new > chip? > > PC > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From gyrofrog at yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 13:11:06 2005 From: gyrofrog at yahoo.com (Joe Castleman) Date: Fri Nov 18 13:11:10 2005 Subject: [MPA] Changing pitch: cents vs. percentage Message-ID: <437E436A.6030203@yahoo.com> I have obtained a concert recording which, I'm told, is 32 cents sharp. My editing software (Audacity & Sound Studio) allows me to change pitch in terms of a percentage, but not cents (which IIRC is hundredths of a semitone). Is there an easy way to calculate the change in percentage that would equate to changing the pitch so it's 32 cents flat? Or could the difference be attributed to variously encoding/decoding the audio at 48kHz or 44.1kHz somewhere in the lineage? Thanks in advance, --Joe C. From jshaf at jayshaffer.com Fri Nov 18 20:30:13 2005 From: jshaf at jayshaffer.com (Jay Shaffer) Date: Fri Nov 18 20:30:24 2005 Subject: [MPA] Changing pitch: cents vs. percentage In-Reply-To: <437E436A.6030203@yahoo.com> References: <437E436A.6030203@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03982772e0d211468cb7597dfae1652d@jayshaffer.com> Dusting off the math cap, 100% = 1 octave. 100/12 =8.33% into cents each cent is .0833% .0833*32=.2.666%. you want -2.66% . Which brings me to question of who the hell is worried about a third of a semi-tone? -- Jay Shaffer Mac Audio Guy Author of "The MacAddict Guide to Making Music with GarageBand" mag@jayshaffer.com http://macaudioguy.com/ On Nov 18, 2005, at 2:11 PM, Joe Castleman wrote: > I have obtained a concert recording which, I'm told, is 32 cents sharp. > My editing software (Audacity & Sound Studio) allows me to change pitch > in terms of a percentage, but not cents (which IIRC is hundredths of a > semitone). > > Is there an easy way to calculate the change in percentage that would > equate to changing the pitch so it's 32 cents flat? Or could the > difference be attributed to variously encoding/decoding the audio at > 48kHz or 44.1kHz somewhere in the lineage? > > Thanks in advance, > > --Joe C. > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From gyrofrog at yahoo.com Fri Nov 18 20:48:22 2005 From: gyrofrog at yahoo.com (Joe Castleman) Date: Fri Nov 18 20:48:26 2005 Subject: [MPA] Changing pitch: cents vs. percentage In-Reply-To: <03982772e0d211468cb7597dfae1652d@jayshaffer.com> References: <437E436A.6030203@yahoo.com> <03982772e0d211468cb7597dfae1652d@jayshaffer.com> Message-ID: <437EAE96.1010708@yahoo.com> Yeah, yeah, good point. But I really got wrapped around the wheel thinking about it. I also came up with 2.666...%, using some 7th grade math I remembered. 1200 cents = 1 octave, and a "pitch change" (in this case, analogous to playback speed) of 100% also equals one octave. Thus 32/1200 = 2.666/100. Thanks! --Joe C. Jay Shaffer wrote: > Dusting off the math cap, 100% = 1 octave. 100/12 =8.33% into cents > each cent is .0833% .0833*32=.2.666%. > you want -2.66% . > Which brings me to question of who the hell is worried about a third > of a semi-tone? > -- > Jay Shaffer > Mac Audio Guy > Author of "The MacAddict Guide to Making Music with GarageBand" > mag@jayshaffer.com > http://macaudioguy.com/ From scott at folkloehr.com Fri Nov 18 21:10:30 2005 From: scott at folkloehr.com (Scott Jacob Loehr) Date: Fri Nov 18 21:10:37 2005 Subject: [MPA] Changing pitch: cents vs. percentage In-Reply-To: <03982772e0d211468cb7597dfae1652d@jayshaffer.com> References: <437E436A.6030203@yahoo.com> <03982772e0d211468cb7597dfae1652d@jayshaffer.com> Message-ID: >Which brings me to question of who the hell is worried about a third >of a semi-tone? Those of us with perfect pitch. Scott Jacob Loehr scott@folkloehr.com From tsnow at eos.net Sat Nov 19 07:35:41 2005 From: tsnow at eos.net (Thomas Snow) Date: Sat Nov 19 07:36:56 2005 Subject: [MPA] (no subject) Message-ID: How do I unsubscribe from this list? Thomas Snow From jshaf at jayshaffer.com Sat Nov 19 20:25:49 2005 From: jshaf at jayshaffer.com (Jay Shaffer) Date: Sat Nov 19 20:26:02 2005 Subject: [MPA] Changing pitch: cents vs. percentage In-Reply-To: References: <437E436A.6030203@yahoo.com> <03982772e0d211468cb7597dfae1652d@jayshaffer.com> Message-ID: <3a25855c2421c22f2383fde5664bcc64@jayshaffer.com> You Jedi, with your mind tricks.:-) Just curious, how perfect is perfect? How many cents does it take for you to hear that pitch is off and can you quantify it? And does it have to be relative to another pitch? -- Jay On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:10 PM, Scott Jacob Loehr wrote: >> Which brings me to question of who the hell is worried about a third >> of a semi-tone? > > Those of us with perfect pitch. > > Scott Jacob Loehr > scott@folkloehr.com > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From luke at snarl.org Sat Nov 19 22:41:53 2005 From: luke at snarl.org (Luke Snarl) Date: Sat Nov 19 22:42:00 2005 Subject: [MPA] Changing pitch: cents vs. percentage In-Reply-To: <3a25855c2421c22f2383fde5664bcc64@jayshaffer.com> References: <437E436A.6030203@yahoo.com> <03982772e0d211468cb7597dfae1652d@jayshaffer.com> <3a25855c2421c22f2383fde5664bcc64@jayshaffer.com> Message-ID: <6C5F7C6C-524D-4EDD-852E-6AB146EC954B@snarl.org> yes that is an interesting question. I suppose some people may be closer than others. Perhaps a contest is in order....? ;) and is perfect pitch the same as being a 'golden ears'? and can it be learned? :L http://snarl.org On 20/11/2005, at 3:25 PM, Jay Shaffer wrote: > You Jedi, with your mind tricks.:-) > Just curious, how perfect is perfect? How many cents does it take > for you to hear that pitch is off and can you quantify it? And does > it have to be relative to another pitch? > -- > Jay From scott at folkloehr.com Sun Nov 20 05:51:53 2005 From: scott at folkloehr.com (Scott Jacob Loehr) Date: Sun Nov 20 05:52:00 2005 Subject: [MPA] Changing pitch: cents vs. percentage In-Reply-To: <3a25855c2421c22f2383fde5664bcc64@jayshaffer.com> References: <437E436A.6030203@yahoo.com> <03982772e0d211468cb7597dfae1652d@jayshaffer.com> <3a25855c2421c22f2383fde5664bcc64@jayshaffer.com> Message-ID: I guess 'perfect' is 'relative'... :-) If I've got a cold, I'm usually flat by about 20 cents... otherwise, I can hear if something's out if it's about 5 cents either way. I'm much more accurate in the mornings after sleeping well. I never need another external reference pitch. The only times I have trouble is if I'm trying to identify material from one source and there is music playing from another source, particularly if it's louder - i.e., restaurant muzak while I'm composing. I can easily create my own internal reference pitches or chords to get me back on track if needed. Contrary to what most people initially think, it really doesn't bug me that much if an instrument is out of tune or if somebody sings slightly off key. I kindof allow for a certain amount of slippage... kindof like when a soprano substitutes an excessively wide vibrato for accuracy. However, I cannot listen to Kenny G... he consistently plays about 8 or 9 cents sharp. I keep waiting for him to even it out, but it never happens. What's bright to one is an icepick to another. While the 'parlor tricks' wear off quickly (identifying notes, chords, intervals and the like, without a reference), I appreciate it the most when I'm composing, since I can hear the completed piece in my head at the correct pitch and write it down wherever I am, as long as I've got blank staff paper and a pen. Many times, I compose directly into Finale when I'm at home, turning off the sound of my Mac and MIDI keyboard. It's a little faster, but I still enjoy writing it out by hand the most. The hardest thing is for me to transpose by sight... can't do it. If I see a C, I gotta play a C, and it's gotta sound like a C. I have tremendous respect for those who can transpose effortlessly. I suppose it's a fair tradeoff! Our choir director occasionally transposes some of the shorter elements of our Church Services, and it really knocks me sideways... kindof like sight reading times four and a half. >You Jedi, with your mind tricks.:-) >Just curious, how perfect is perfect? How many cents does it take >for you to hear that pitch is off and can you quantify it? And does >it have to be relative to another pitch? >-- >Jay > >On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:10 PM, Scott Jacob Loehr wrote: > >>>Which brings me to question of who the hell is worried about a >>>third of a semi-tone? >> >>Those of us with perfect pitch. >> >>Scott Jacob Loehr >>scott@folkloehr.com From scott at folkloehr.com Sun Nov 20 05:58:09 2005 From: scott at folkloehr.com (Scott Jacob Loehr) Date: Sun Nov 20 05:58:12 2005 Subject: [MPA] Changing pitch: cents vs. percentage In-Reply-To: <6C5F7C6C-524D-4EDD-852E-6AB146EC954B@snarl.org> References: <437E436A.6030203@yahoo.com> <03982772e0d211468cb7597dfae1652d@jayshaffer.com> <3a25855c2421c22f2383fde5664bcc64@jayshaffer.com> <6C5F7C6C-524D-4EDD-852E-6AB146EC954B@snarl.org> Message-ID: Here are my opinions.... >yes that is an interesting question. I suppose some people may be >closer than others. Perhaps a contest is in order....? ;) I think that would be almost impossible, due to the varying strengths and weaknesses in each of our musical backgrounds... probably the safest approach would be using pure sine waves - say, an A-440, 442, 444, 438, 436.... >and is perfect pitch the same as being a 'golden ears'? NO. Discerning subtle variations in multiple sound sources simultaneously doesn't require Perfect Pitch. >and can it be learned? NO. Only further refined if originally present. From garykimes at mac.com Sun Nov 20 06:37:14 2005 From: garykimes at mac.com (Gary Kimes) Date: Sun Nov 20 06:38:22 2005 Subject: [MPA] Re: MacProAudio Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20051120135814.669885ABDFF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20051120135814.669885ABDFF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <73C5DA93-778B-4153-8081-33A4269CF772@mac.com> I have perfect pitch too, but referencing music contextually with itself makes music a lot more enjoyable, no? Otherwise it gets a bit tough to live in such an imperfect world, no? Gary >> Which brings me to question of who the hell is worried about a third >> of a semi-tone? >> > > Those of us with perfect pitch. From pchristy at houston.rr.com Sun Nov 20 13:08:30 2005 From: pchristy at houston.rr.com (Paul Christy) Date: Sun Nov 20 13:08:38 2005 Subject: [MPA] Pitch & Quarter Inch Tape In-Reply-To: <73C5DA93-778B-4153-8081-33A4269CF772@mac.com> References: <20051120135814.669885ABDFF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <73C5DA93-778B-4153-8081-33A4269CF772@mac.com> Message-ID: Hate to change the subject, but my only interest in pitch shifting is in creating weird, warped sounds for commercials. In that process I know what sounds "right" and what doesn't, but otherwise.... I will say that Digidesign's built-in pitch plugin is as good (to me) as Pure Pitch and the Waves stuff. But my question: I foolishly offered to dub a friend's old precious quarter inch tape into Pro Tools & make him a CD. I should have realized that the tape wasn't a standard 2-track, but an old consumer quarter-track ultra slow speed production. It sure sounds horrible--but before I can apply any noise reduction, I need to isolate the tracks and get them slowed down to true speed. Speaking of Pitch Control, I have tried playing them back with the pitch knob on my 2-track cranked as low as it will go, and then doctoring away with Speed, etc. Can't seem to get it right. (Not to mention the horror of having to split the channels via left/right into a stereo channel in Pro Tools. It is a mess.) Does anyone have an idea? Aside from borrowing an old consumer tape machine, that is. I had one, but it has long since departed the garage. PC -- Paul Christy/XM Satellite Radio Paul Christy Productions Voicework & Audio Production Houston, Texas Visit: http://www.LoveStreetGallery.com From brucewll at comcast.net Sun Nov 20 14:42:52 2005 From: brucewll at comcast.net (Williams' Mastering) Date: Sun Nov 20 14:40:11 2005 Subject: [MPA] Pitch & Quarter Inch Tape References: <20051120135814.669885ABDFF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <73C5DA93-778B-4153-8081-33A4269CF772@mac.com> Message-ID: <4380FBEC.482DAB7@comcast.net> Your task would be much easier if you work with the analog sound - here's why. The open reel tape speeds are doubled for each standard in inches per second. The common speeds were - 1 7/8 ips, 3 3/4 ips, 7.5 ips, 15 ips, 30 ips. The playback deck you are using likely has 2 or 3 speeds, just not the one you need. Make sure the pitch control is at its detent position, then dub to a digital format. Then switch the open reel deck to its highest speed and record back from your dub. I'll bet you can then cycle down to the "correct" playback and use that pitch control to zero in on the perfect tuning. Good Luck - Robert Paul Christy wrote: > Hate to change the subject, but my only interest in pitch shifting is > in creating weird, warped sounds for commercials. In that process I > know what sounds "right" and what doesn't, but otherwise.... I will > say that Digidesign's built-in pitch plugin is as good (to me) as > Pure Pitch and the Waves stuff. > > But my question: I foolishly offered to dub a friend's old precious > quarter inch tape into Pro Tools & make him a CD. I should have > realized that the tape wasn't a standard 2-track, but an old consumer > quarter-track ultra slow speed production. It sure sounds > horrible--but before I can apply any noise reduction, I need to > isolate the tracks and get them slowed down to true speed. > > Speaking of Pitch Control, I have tried playing them back with the > pitch knob on my 2-track cranked as low as it will go, and then > doctoring away with Speed, etc. Can't seem to get it right. (Not to > mention the horror of having to split the channels via left/right > into a stereo channel in Pro Tools. It is a mess.) Does anyone have > an idea? Aside from borrowing an old consumer tape machine, that is. > I had one, but it has long since departed the garage. > > PC > -- > Paul Christy/XM Satellite Radio > Paul Christy Productions > Voicework & Audio Production > Houston, Texas > Visit: http://www.LoveStreetGallery.com > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jshaf at jayshaffer.com Sun Nov 20 19:40:34 2005 From: jshaf at jayshaffer.com (Jay Shaffer) Date: Sun Nov 20 19:40:38 2005 Subject: [MPA] Pitch & Quarter Inch Tape In-Reply-To: <4380FBEC.482DAB7@comcast.net> References: <20051120135814.669885ABDFF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <73C5DA93-778B-4153-8081-33A4269CF772@mac.com> <4380FBEC.482DAB7@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0b6234cfb72d8184cf46373dd5a13894@jayshaffer.com> Yikes, If you're bouncing back to analog you could seriously multiply noise. I would set your 2-track machine to 15IPS and then record it digitally at 96khz and then downsample to 48 or 24khz to get the speed right. The other issue with playing back a 1/4 track tape on a half track deck is that (besides the backward 2 and 4 tracks thing, if they recorded both directions) you are recording a lot of noise from the empty tracks 2 and 4 off of the quarter track. Back in the day I would screw around with the head alignment of the half track to get it vertically aligned with track 1 and 3 off of the quarter track. I've still got an old Akai quarter track deck in my garage but it is so unstable speed wise that it would still make your task difficult. I don't envy you man. I hate it when favors turn into nightmares. -- Jay Shaffer On Nov 20, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Williams' Mastering wrote: > Your task would be much easier if you work with the analog sound - > here's > why. The open reel tape speeds are doubled for each standard in inches > per > second. > > The common speeds were - 1 7/8 ips, 3 3/4 ips, 7.5 ips, 15 ips, 30 ips. > > The playback deck you are using likely has 2 or 3 speeds, just not the > one > you need. Make sure the pitch control is at its detent position, then > dub to > a digital format. Then switch the open reel deck to its highest speed > and > record back from your dub. I'll bet you can then cycle down to the > "correct" > playback and use that pitch control to zero in on the perfect tuning. > > Good Luck - > > Robert > > Paul Christy wrote: > >> Hate to change the subject, but my only interest in pitch shifting is >> in creating weird, warped sounds for commercials. In that process I >> know what sounds "right" and what doesn't, but otherwise.... I will >> say that Digidesign's built-in pitch plugin is as good (to me) as >> Pure Pitch and the Waves stuff. >> >> But my question: I foolishly offered to dub a friend's old precious >> quarter inch tape into Pro Tools & make him a CD. I should have >> realized that the tape wasn't a standard 2-track, but an old consumer >> quarter-track ultra slow speed production. It sure sounds >> horrible--but before I can apply any noise reduction, I need to >> isolate the tracks and get them slowed down to true speed. >> >> Speaking of Pitch Control, I have tried playing them back with the >> pitch knob on my 2-track cranked as low as it will go, and then >> doctoring away with Speed, etc. Can't seem to get it right. (Not to >> mention the horror of having to split the channels via left/right >> into a stereo channel in Pro Tools. It is a mess.) Does anyone have >> an idea? Aside from borrowing an old consumer tape machine, that is. >> I had one, but it has long since departed the garage. >> >> PC >> -- >> Paul Christy/XM Satellite Radio >> Paul Christy Productions >> Voicework & Audio Production >> Houston, Texas >> Visit: http://www.LoveStreetGallery.com >> _______________________________________________ >> MacProAudio mailing list >> MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > MacProAudio mailing list > MacProAudio@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macproaudio > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From pchristy at houston.rr.com Mon Nov 21 08:26:22 2005 From: pchristy at houston.rr.com (Paul Christy) Date: Mon Nov 21 08:26:28 2005 Subject: [MPA] Pitch & Quarter Inch Tape In-Reply-To: <4380FBEC.482DAB7@comcast.net> References: <20051120135814.669885ABDFF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <73C5DA93-778B-4153-8081-33A4269CF772@mac.com> <4380FBEC.482DAB7@comcast.net> Message-ID: At 4:42 PM -0600 11/20/05, Williams' Mastering wrote: >The playback deck you are using likely has 2 or 3 speeds, just not the one >you need. Make sure the pitch control is at its detent position, then dub to >a digital format. Then switch the open reel deck to its highest speed and >record back from your dub. I'll bet you can then cycle down to the "correct" >playback and use that pitch control to zero in on the perfect tuning. Now, that sounds like the approach. I knew it was before my eyes....I'll give that a shot. Thanks! PC -- Paul Christy/KLDE Radio Paul Christy Productions Voicework & Audio Production Houston, Texas Visit: http://www.LoveStreetGallery.com From blanc.cyril at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 22 00:55:44 2005 From: blanc.cyril at wanadoo.fr (blanc.cyril@wanadoo.fr) Date: Tue Nov 22 00:55:46 2005 Subject: [MPA] Share the love! You've been invited to Gizmo Project Message-ID: <200511220855.jAM8ti9m027813@misc01.gizmoproject.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/macproaudio/attachments/20051122/aa9fbb22/attachment.html