From randy at macattorney.com Thu May 3 17:58:07 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Thu May 3 17:58:16 2007 Subject: [MV] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> Is the list up? ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From vlmaples at bellsouth.net Thu May 3 18:27:40 2007 From: vlmaples at bellsouth.net (Valerie Maples) Date: Thu May 3 18:28:21 2007 Subject: [MV] Test In-Reply-To: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> References: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> Message-ID: <11006536-BC88-486F-A707-15FD2E07F416@bellsouth.net> I am still here, Randy. I guess it's just quiet right now. Valerie Maples vlmaples@bellsouth.net 2.16 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 2 GB DDR2 SDRAM OS X 10.4.9 Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5 2 GB DDR SDRAM OSX 10.4.8 900 MHz snow iBook 640 RAM OSX 10.4.8 On May 3, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote: Is the list up? ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh From drjlevi at netonecom.net Thu May 3 19:15:09 2007 From: drjlevi at netonecom.net (Jonathan Levi, M.D.) Date: Thu May 3 19:14:16 2007 Subject: [MV] Test In-Reply-To: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> References: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> Message-ID: At 5:58 PM -0700 5/3/07, Randy B. Singer wrote: >Is the list up? I got your post. --Jonathan From bourquec at cc.umanitoba.ca Thu May 3 20:01:55 2007 From: bourquec at cc.umanitoba.ca (Christopher Bourque) Date: Thu May 3 20:01:52 2007 Subject: [MV] Test In-Reply-To: References: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> Message-ID: <15D6985B-CEAD-4A86-8266-934C8829648A@cc.umanitoba.ca> Wow, I'm on line again! Thought I was off the list when I raised the DNS cloud. Bought DNS Pro/KnowBrainer medical vocab/UniVoice package, having some initial problems, still not functional, using Parallels/Win XP/ MacBook Pro 2.33 Ghz. cb On May 3, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: > At 5:58 PM -0700 5/3/07, Randy B. Singer wrote: >> Is the list up? > > I got your post. --Jonathan > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From vlmaples at bellsouth.net Thu May 3 20:12:37 2007 From: vlmaples at bellsouth.net (Valerie Maples) Date: Thu May 3 20:12:55 2007 Subject: [MV] Test In-Reply-To: <15D6985B-CEAD-4A86-8266-934C8829648A@cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> <15D6985B-CEAD-4A86-8266-934C8829648A@cc.umanitoba.ca> Message-ID: I can't speak for other people, but the last operating system update apparently tweaked some USB settings and it is wreaking havoc with voice recognition for me. I have not had enough time to trouble shoot it, but after five very successful months I have had a month of frustration. I'm going to try with a different microphone to see if that makes any difference as the microphone I use with iListen in the motor home is working better than the one I use in the house. I am very frustrated. I will try to remember to let everyone know if I have any success. Valerie On May 3, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Christopher Bourque wrote: Wow, I'm on line again! Thought I was off the list when I raised the DNS cloud. Bought DNS Pro/KnowBrainer medical vocab/UniVoice package, having some initial problems, still not functional, using Parallels/Win XP/ MacBook Pro 2.33 Ghz. cb On May 3, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: > At 5:58 PM -0700 5/3/07, Randy B. Singer wrote: >> Is the list up? > > I got your post. --Jonathan > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > _______________________________________________ MacVoice mailing list MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Thu May 3 20:20:48 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Thu May 3 20:21:00 2007 Subject: [MV] USB Audio in 10.4.9 In-Reply-To: References: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> <15D6985B-CEAD-4A86-8266-934C8829648A@cc.umanitoba.ca> Message-ID: <97D345CB-8CF7-4E87-A294-870A51263CC9@macspeech.com> Valerie (and everyone else): We have noticed this as well, and are trying to figure out what Apple did. We won't really know a lot until after the Worldwide Developer's Conference in June, but we can provide you with some things to try, at least in terms of iListen. One of the things we noticed is that those running iListen with Mac OS X version 10.4.9 may actually get better accuracy by going into preferences and moving the accuracy slider to the left, towards the middle, away from "more accurate" just a bit. This is not official - we are still trying to figure out what is going on exactly - but it could be that under 10.4.9 iListen is trying to "overthink" its accuracy (an oversimplification, to be sure). Backing off the accuracy slider just a bit may actually *increase* accuracy IF (and I stress **IF**) you are running 10.4.9. I'll keep you posted, but in the mean time, please treat this as very preliminary information and just something you can try. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On May 3, 2007, at 10:12 PM, Valerie Maples wrote: > I can't speak for other people, but the last operating system > update apparently tweaked some USB settings and it is wreaking > havoc with voice recognition for me. I have not had enough time to > trouble shoot it, but after five very successful months I have had > a month of frustration. I'm going to try with a different > microphone to see if that makes any difference as the microphone I > use with iListen in the motor home is working better than the one I > use in the house. I am very frustrated. > > I will try to remember to let everyone know if I have any success. > > Valerie > > > On May 3, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Christopher Bourque wrote: > > Wow, I'm on line again! > Thought I was off the list when I raised the DNS cloud. > Bought DNS Pro/KnowBrainer medical vocab/UniVoice package, having > some initial problems, still not functional, using Parallels/Win XP/ > MacBook Pro 2.33 Ghz. > > cb > On May 3, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: > >> At 5:58 PM -0700 5/3/07, Randy B. Singer wrote: >>> Is the list up? >> >> I got your post. --Jonathan >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From BR at smilecat.nu Fri May 4 06:37:40 2007 From: BR at smilecat.nu (Brewster Rogerson) Date: Fri May 4 06:37:44 2007 Subject: [MV] "A place to discuss speech recognition on Macintosh. Message-ID: <20070504063740572681.cc92c333@smilecat.nu> Present, thank you. BR From scheiner at pipeline.com Fri May 4 09:37:37 2007 From: scheiner at pipeline.com (Ellen Scheiner M.D.) Date: Fri May 4 09:38:00 2007 Subject: [MV] Test In-Reply-To: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> References: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> Message-ID: Dear Randy, Yes it is. Ellen >Is the list up? > > >___________________________________________ >Randy B. Singer >Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) > >Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance >http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html >___________________________________________ > > > >_______________________________________________ >MacVoice mailing list >MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -- Ellen Scheiner, M.D. 6 Lacrosse Place Chapel Hill, NC 27517-8664 919-425-5390 voice 919-869-1816 fax mailto:scheiner@pipeline.com From vlmaples at bellsouth.net Fri May 4 09:47:19 2007 From: vlmaples at bellsouth.net (Valerie Maples) Date: Fri May 4 09:48:42 2007 Subject: [MV] USB Audio in 10.4.9 In-Reply-To: <97D345CB-8CF7-4E87-A294-870A51263CC9@macspeech.com> References: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> <15D6985B-CEAD-4A86-8266-934C8829648A@cc.umanitoba.ca> <97D345CB-8CF7-4E87-A294-870A51263CC9@macspeech.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the quick reply, Chuck! I am on the road at the moment, but I will try it next week when we get home. Thanks for the tips, hopefully they will help out. Valerie On May 3, 2007, at 10:20 PM, Chuck Rogers wrote: Valerie (and everyone else): We have noticed this as well, and are trying to figure out what Apple did. We won't really know a lot until after the Worldwide Developer's Conference in June, but we can provide you with some things to try, at least in terms of iListen. One of the things we noticed is that those running iListen with Mac OS X version 10.4.9 may actually get better accuracy by going into preferences and moving the accuracy slider to the left, towards the middle, away from "more accurate" just a bit. This is not official - we are still trying to figure out what is going on exactly - but it could be that under 10.4.9 iListen is trying to "overthink" its accuracy (an oversimplification, to be sure). Backing off the accuracy slider just a bit may actually *increase* accuracy IF (and I stress **IF**) you are running 10.4.9. I'll keep you posted, but in the mean time, please treat this as very preliminary information and just something you can try. From randy at macattorney.com Fri May 4 23:09:19 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Fri May 4 23:09:36 2007 Subject: [MV] Test In-Reply-To: References: <28DCD954-7DB2-45C8-B317-AABB1CC179AA@macattorney.com> Message-ID: On May 4, 2007, at 9:37 AM, Ellen Scheiner M.D. wrote: > Dear Randy, > Yes it is. > Ellen Thanks everyone! I was concerned because I haven't gotten anything from the list in many days. That despite the fact that I've referred a number of folks to this list who seemed very interested in speech recognition. To all of our new list members (assuming that the folks that I told about this list actually subscribed), don't be shy. Feel free to post. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From ian at iangilman.com Sun May 6 16:02:40 2007 From: ian at iangilman.com (Ian Gilman) Date: Sun May 6 16:03:35 2007 Subject: [MV] Voice Recognition Issues In-Reply-To: References: <2818BE17-55C9-419C-9146-11ABC630D567@iangilman.com> Message-ID: <9EA5F876-AA06-4B5C-805A-986549BFF442@iangilman.com> [I got swamped for a while, so I'm a bit behind in my email. . . ] David, When ViaVoice locks up on me (which it actually doesn't very much these days, ever since I discovered that workaround), I use the Mac Activity Monitor to force it to quit so I don't have to restart. -- Ian Gilman -- digital renaissance man -- www.iangilman.com -- 415-706-8447 On Feb 21, 2007, at 9:13 PM, David Wehe wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:52 PM, Ian Gilman wrote: > >> I used to have trouble getting ViaVoice to launch, but I've found >> a workaround through much trial and error. It's simply this: open >> your System Preferences to the Audio panel and select Input. Then >> start ViaVoice. Works every time for me. Strange but true. >> >> -- Ian Gilman-- digital renaissance man >> -- www.iangilman.com-- 415-706-8447 >> > > > Doesn't the program VV quit working on you during the day? Then > you can't get it to quit without restarting your machine and > performing that workaround again. That's my problem with V V. If > it would stay working, I'd keep using it. > > David._______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > From ian at iangilman.com Sun May 6 16:12:31 2007 From: ian at iangilman.com (Ian Gilman) Date: Sun May 6 16:13:18 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: <76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com> References: <45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu><46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87AA4CBA798B@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu> <685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com> <76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com> Message-ID: Joseph, Chuck, Thank you for the suggestions. I think another thing I'll try is training the alphabet into command mode so I can ignore spelling mode and only have to deal with the two remaining modes. I understand there are technical challenges in creating a truly modeless speech interface, but we've got to get there somehow. Speech has the potential to be a much more natural interface for the computer than mice and keyboards, but always having to remember which mode you're in is a big stumbling block. You may be used to it now, after you've been using iListen for a while, but that's not how most people talk. -- Ian Gilman -- digital renaissance man -- www.iangilman.com -- 415-706-8447 On Feb 23, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Joseph Senecal wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Ian Gilman wrote: > >> I second that! I need to use my computer hands-free as well, which >> is why I've been hesitant to move to iListen. One of the big >> things that turns me off is not being able to mix command & >> control with dictation without explicitly switching modes. > > Having all commands available at all times could cause problems > where dictation is recognized as commands. However, if there are > just a few commands that you would like to use during dictation, > put them in the "Dictation Text Macros" set. These commands are > active in both dictation and command modes. You will need to quit > and relaunch iListen for these commands to be active. This is > better than putting them in the "Dictation Macros" set because > updates to iListen do not change the Dictation Text Macros. > > Joe Senecal > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > From ian at iangilman.com Sun May 6 16:20:22 2007 From: ian at iangilman.com (Ian Gilman) Date: Sun May 6 16:21:10 2007 Subject: [MV] Voice Recognition Issues In-Reply-To: References: <2818BE17-55C9-419C-9146-11ABC630D567@iangilman.com> Message-ID: <17ED4BBA-E7CB-4AFF-8682-7AE7A29AE342@iangilman.com> I might be up for making such a thing, if I ever find the time. If I do, it would be great to have a place to post it. For that matter, this group should have a general area for posting tips, FAQs, resource links, etc.; a place to capture and organize all the good ideas that come through, like a wiki. Anyone up for it setting something like that up? -- Ian Gilman -- digital renaissance man -- www.iangilman.com -- 415-706-8447 On Feb 22, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: > At 12:13 AM -0500 2/22/07, David Wehe wrote: >> On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:52 PM, Ian Gilman wrote: >> >>> I used to have trouble getting ViaVoice to launch, but I've found >>> a workaround through much trial and error. It's simply this: >>> open your System Preferences to the Audio panel and select >>> Input. Then start ViaVoice. Works every time for me. Strange >>> but true. >>> >>> -- Ian Gilman-- digital renaissance man >>> -- www.iangilman.com-- 415-706-8447 >>> >> >> Doesn't the program VV quit working on you during the day? Then >> you can't get it to quit without restarting your machine and >> performing that workaround again. That's my problem with V V. If >> it would stay working, I'd keep using it. > > I have no experience with Automator, but I wonder if the series of > actions Ian described could be automated, then accomplished with a > keystroke or two. (It could certainly be done with AppleScript; > sadly I haven't the time I would need to create such a script > myself.) --Jonathan > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > From ian at iangilman.com Sun May 6 16:25:16 2007 From: ian at iangilman.com (Ian Gilman) Date: Sun May 6 16:26:09 2007 Subject: [MV] comfortable microphone? In-Reply-To: References: <20070221051225.7295993F4B4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20070221211708.GA24218@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: Chuck, Thank you for the recommendation. I'm actually looking for something without a headphone. Do you know of something like that? My other complaint with my current microphone is that its input is a bit on the quiet side. Any recommendations for a more high-powered microphone, or additional hardware or software that can fix the problem? -- Ian Gilman -- digital renaissance man -- www.iangilman.com -- 415-706-8447 On Feb 22, 2007, at 6:29 AM, Chuck Rogers wrote: > Ian (and everyone else): > > The VXi TalkPro Xpress is an extremely comfortable and accurate > head-worn microphone. If you are interested in stereo, its cousin, > the TalkPro 200 USB does a great job. > > > > Best Regards, > > Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist > MacSpeech, Inc. > > > > > On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:21 PM, Ian Gilman wrote: > >> I'm using a Telex H-831, and I'm relatively happy with it, but I >> find that after a couple of hours the constant pressure on the >> side of my head gives me a headache. I've used a number of other >> microphones, and they all basically have the same problem: They >> have to squeeze your head in order to stay on. On the other hand, >> I don't want a desk mic; I value my freedom of motion and the >> ability to listen to music without interfering with my voice >> recognition. >> >> Any recommendations for a comfortable headset mic? >> >> Thank you, >> >> -- Ian Gilman-- digital renaissance man >> -- www.iangilman.com-- 415-706-8447 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Mon May 7 07:21:57 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Mon May 7 07:22:09 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: References: <45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu><46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87AA4CBA798B@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu> <685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com> <76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com> Message-ID: <24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com> Ian (and everyone else): As Joe pointed out, having commands intermingled in dictation mode could cause huge problems. While there will be improvements, the only way I see commands being integrated is if there is a trigger word in front of the command. Even that could cause problems, however. Imaging you are dictating the phrase "when I told my computer to go to sleep" and the trigger word is "computer." You wouldn't want your computer to go to sleep in the middle of a dictation session! There will always be something to "get used to." If you have commands integrated into dictation you will be even more restricted as to what you can say for commands, since those commands will have to be structured in such a way that they are less likely to be mistaken for a phrase you want to dictate. This can present a very unnatural way of using the computer, since those phrases would likely be harder to remember. As it is, you can always say "one shot command" in iListen and it will go into Command Mode for one command - so the very next thing you say after "one shot command" will be interpreted as an action instead of typed out. This may give you what you are looking for - or at least get you closer. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On May 6, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Ian Gilman wrote: > I understand there are technical challenges in creating a truly > modeless speech interface, but we've got to get there somehow. > Speech has the potential to be a much more natural interface for > the computer than mice and keyboards, but always having to remember > which mode you're in is a big stumbling block. You may be used to > it now, after you've been using iListen for a while, but that's not > how most people talk. From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Mon May 7 07:24:19 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Mon May 7 07:24:30 2007 Subject: [MV] comfortable microphone? In-Reply-To: References: <20070221051225.7295993F4B4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20070221211708.GA24218@uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <6014712E-51FE-45A2-938D-A98D3DE3A7D1@macspeech.com> Ian (and everyone else): The Voice Tracker array microphone from Acoustic Magic works nearly as good as a head-worn microphone. Also, the Samson Airline 77 wireless microphone works well. It is head-worn, but goes around the back of the head instead of the top. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On May 6, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Ian Gilman wrote: > Chuck, > > Thank you for the recommendation. I'm actually looking for > something without a headphone. Do you know of something like that? > > My other complaint with my current microphone is that its input is > a bit on the quiet side. Any recommendations for a more high- > powered microphone, or additional hardware or software that can fix > the problem? > > -- Ian Gilman-- digital renaissance man > -- www.iangilman.com-- 415-706-8447 > > On Feb 22, 2007, at 6:29 AM, Chuck Rogers wrote: > >> Ian (and everyone else): >> >> The VXi TalkPro Xpress is an extremely comfortable and accurate >> head-worn microphone. If you are interested in stereo, its cousin, >> the TalkPro 200 USB does a great job. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist >> MacSpeech, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 21, 2007, at 11:21 PM, Ian Gilman wrote: >> >>> I'm using a Telex H-831, and I'm relatively happy with it, but I >>> find that after a couple of hours the constant pressure on the >>> side of my head gives me a headache. I've used a number of other >>> microphones, and they all basically have the same problem: They >>> have to squeeze your head in order to stay on. On the other >>> hand, I don't want a desk mic; I value my freedom of motion and >>> the ability to listen to music without interfering with my voice >>> recognition. >>> >>> Any recommendations for a comfortable headset mic? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> -- Ian Gilman-- digital renaissance man >>> -- www.iangilman.com-- 415-706-8447 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacVoice mailing list >>> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and >>> random stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From gavinwj at wanadoo.fr Mon May 7 07:39:52 2007 From: gavinwj at wanadoo.fr (Gavin Wynford-Jones) Date: Mon May 7 07:40:12 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: <24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com> References: <45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu><46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87AA4CBA798B@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu> <685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com> <76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com> <24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com> Message-ID: <3BF804E4-ABA0-4035-AE15-9E0A617B448F@wanadoo.fr> Chuck, Your assertion is ridiculous and you ought to know it. Dragon has had the ability to successfully intermingle commands and dictation from the beginning. It does NOT cause problems since the commands are generally carefully defined and, in 99% of cases, consist of more than one word. The example you give would not result in the computer trying to go to sleep as there would not be a pause before the "command" and so it would be recognised as a continuation of the dictation. I recall having long discussions about this sort of thing when we were trying to get a French version going. French requires good context sensitivity, which iListen lacks. I don't know whether that is a limitation of the engine or if it comes from a programming decision you guys made early on, but it is at the root of these problems. With good context recognition, commands can be integrated into dictation without problem. Gavin On 7 May 2007, at 16:21, Chuck Rogers wrote: > Ian (and everyone else): > > As Joe pointed out, having commands intermingled in dictation mode > could cause huge problems. While there will be improvements, the > only way I see commands being integrated is if there is a trigger > word in front of the command. Even that could cause problems, > however. Imaging you are dictating the phrase "when I told my > computer to go to sleep" and the trigger word is "computer." You > wouldn't want your computer to go to sleep in the middle of a > dictation session! > > There will always be something to "get used to." If you have > commands integrated into dictation you will be even more restricted > as to what you can say for commands, since those commands will have > to be structured in such a way that they are less likely to be > mistaken for a phrase you want to dictate. This can present a very > unnatural way of using the computer, since those phrases would > likely be harder to remember. > > As it is, you can always say "one shot command" in iListen and it > will go into Command Mode for one command - so the very next thing > you say after "one shot command" will be interpreted as an action > instead of typed out. This may give you what you are looking for - > or at least get you closer. > > > > > Best Regards, > > Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist > MacSpeech, Inc. > > > > > On May 6, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Ian Gilman wrote: > >> I understand there are technical challenges in creating a truly >> modeless speech interface, but we've got to get there somehow. >> Speech has the potential to be a much more natural interface for >> the computer than mice and keyboards, but always having to >> remember which mode you're in is a big stumbling block. You may >> be used to it now, after you've been using iListen for a while, >> but that's not how most people talk. > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Mon May 7 08:24:06 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Mon May 7 08:24:12 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: <3BF804E4-ABA0-4035-AE15-9E0A617B448F@wanadoo.fr> References: <45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu><46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87AA4CBA798B@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu> <685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com> <76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com> <24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com> <3BF804E4-ABA0-4035-AE15-9E0A617B448F@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <94BC1142-03B8-4451-9DDA-14D8455568E9@macspeech.com> Gavin: We have heard from many professionals who use Dragon that its command recognition is much better when commands are isolated. We do know that Dragon has had many more years to work on their product than we have, and therefore would expect commands to work somewhat better because of that. But our basic premise remains the same: what I wrote is not at all "ridiculous" and we have comments from many avid Dragon users to back us up. That having been said, I am not disputing that your experience seems to be different. The issue with French and iListen does not have to do with context sensitivity, btw, but with the fact that we have not found a way to get the Philips engine and Mac OS X to play nice together. It has nothing to do with any programming decisions we made, but rather this incompatibility. On May 7, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: > Chuck, > > Your assertion is ridiculous and you ought to know it. Dragon has > had the ability to successfully intermingle commands and dictation > from the beginning. It does NOT cause problems since the commands > are generally carefully defined and, in 99% of cases, consist of > more than one word. The example you give would not result in the > computer trying to go to sleep as there would not be a pause before > the "command" and so it would be recognised as a continuation of > the dictation. > > I recall having long discussions about this sort of thing when we > were trying to get a French version going. French requires good > context sensitivity, which iListen lacks. I don't know whether that > is a limitation of the engine or if it comes from a programming > decision you guys made early on, but it is at the root of these > problems. With good context recognition, commands can be integrated > into dictation without problem. > > Gavin > > On 7 May 2007, at 16:21, Chuck Rogers wrote: > >> Ian (and everyone else): >> >> As Joe pointed out, having commands intermingled in dictation mode >> could cause huge problems. While there will be improvements, the >> only way I see commands being integrated is if there is a trigger >> word in front of the command. Even that could cause problems, >> however. Imaging you are dictating the phrase "when I told my >> computer to go to sleep" and the trigger word is "computer." You >> wouldn't want your computer to go to sleep in the middle of a >> dictation session! >> >> There will always be something to "get used to." If you have >> commands integrated into dictation you will be even more >> restricted as to what you can say for commands, since those >> commands will have to be structured in such a way that they are >> less likely to be mistaken for a phrase you want to dictate. This >> can present a very unnatural way of using the computer, since >> those phrases would likely be harder to remember. >> >> As it is, you can always say "one shot command" in iListen and it >> will go into Command Mode for one command - so the very next thing >> you say after "one shot command" will be interpreted as an action >> instead of typed out. This may give you what you are looking for - >> or at least get you closer. >> >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist >> MacSpeech, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> On May 6, 2007, at 6:12 PM, Ian Gilman wrote: >> >>> I understand there are technical challenges in creating a truly >>> modeless speech interface, but we've got to get there somehow. >>> Speech has the potential to be a much more natural interface for >>> the computer than mice and keyboards, but always having to >>> remember which mode you're in is a big stumbling block. You may >>> be used to it now, after you've been using iListen for a while, >>> but that's not how most people talk. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From drjlevi at netonecom.net Mon May 7 10:03:24 2007 From: drjlevi at netonecom.net (Jonathan Levi, M.D.) Date: Tue May 8 08:31:23 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: <24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com> References: <45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu><46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87A A4CBA798B@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu> <685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com> <76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com> <24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com> Message-ID: At 9:21 AM -0500 5/7/07, Chuck Rogers wrote: >Ian (and everyone else): > >As Joe pointed out, having commands intermingled in dictation mode >could cause huge problems... ViaVoice has a single mode for both dictation and commands; usually, it isn't a problem. On the other hand, I also finding myself gradually getting more used to switching modes with iListen. This really doesn't appear to be a big issue to me, either way. --Jonathan From drjlevi at netonecom.net Tue May 8 08:32:46 2007 From: drjlevi at netonecom.net (Jonathan Levi, M.D.) Date: Tue May 8 08:31:26 2007 Subject: [MV] comfortable microphone? In-Reply-To: <6014712E-51FE-45A2-938D-A98D3DE3A7D1@macspeech.com> References: <20070221051225.7295993F4B4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20070221211708.GA24218@uiuc.edu> <6014712E-51FE-45A2-938D-A98D3DE3A7D1@macspeech.com> Message-ID: At 9:24 AM -0500 5/7/07, Chuck Rogers wrote: > >The Voice Tracker array microphone from Acoustic Magic works nearly >as good as a head-worn microphone... I looked them up at http://www.acousticmagic.com. That microphone comes in two forms: Voice Tracker Array Microphone $249.00 and Voice Tracker USB Array Microphone $297.00 Does the former work just as well with iListen as the latter? Also, it's pretty pricey either way: in your experience and that of your customers (and other members of this list) are there any less expensive desktop microphones that work as well, or nearly, with iListen? --tia, Jonathan From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Tue May 8 08:44:50 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Tue May 8 08:45:06 2007 Subject: [MV] comfortable microphone? In-Reply-To: References: <20070221051225.7295993F4B4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <20070221211708.GA24218@uiuc.edu> <6014712E-51FE-45A2-938D-A98D3DE3A7D1@macspeech.com> Message-ID: Jonathan (and everyone else): You need the USB adapter to use the Voice Tracker (or any microphone, really) with iListen. This is because Macintosh computers do not have a Mic In port. They only support Line In for their sound in port, which uses a different signal strength from microphones. Regarding the price, the Voice Tracker is the best array microphone we have ever tested. It provides accuracy nearly as good as a head- worn microphone. We have also certified the MicFlex, which sells for about $50, but it does not have the noise-canceling properties the Voice Tracker has. One's concept of expensive versus not is always relative of course, and the Voice Tracker is the most expensive microphone we sell, but in comparison to many professional microphone out there, it is a bargain. (The most expensive microphone we have certified is the Airline 77 from Samson which goes for about $400). On May 8, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: > At 9:24 AM -0500 5/7/07, Chuck Rogers wrote: >> >> The Voice Tracker array microphone from Acoustic Magic works >> nearly as good as a head-worn microphone... > > I looked them up at http://www.acousticmagic.com. That microphone > comes in two forms: > > Voice Tracker Array Microphone $249.00 > > and > > Voice Tracker USB Array Microphone $297.00 > > Does the former work just as well with iListen as the latter? Also, > it's pretty pricey either way: in your experience and that of your > customers (and other members of this list) are there any less > expensive desktop microphones that work as well, or nearly, with > iListen? --tia, Jonathan > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Tue May 8 08:53:00 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Tue May 8 08:53:08 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: References: <45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu><46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87A A4CBA798B@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu> <685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com> <76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com> <24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com> Message-ID: Jonathan (and everyone else): I did a little digging and those who are more familiar with using DNS than I say that the trade off for using commands embedded in dictation mode is that the commands tend to be very carefully worded - and not always very intuitive - in order to insure they are not mis- recognized as dictation. (I alluded to this in an earlier email, but have since had it confirmed by others.) Having a command mode means that the command name itself can be much more natural and easier to remember. As I said, you can always say "One Shot Command" which throws you into Command mode for one command, and then immediately takes you back to Dictation mode. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On May 7, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: > At 9:21 AM -0500 5/7/07, Chuck Rogers wrote: >> Ian (and everyone else): >> >> As Joe pointed out, having commands intermingled in dictation mode >> could cause huge problems... > > ViaVoice has a single mode for both dictation and commands; > usually, it isn't a problem. On the other hand, I also finding > myself gradually getting more used to switching modes with iListen. > This really doesn't appear to be a big issue to me, either way. -- > Jonathan > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From kalirhe at umdnj.edu Tue May 8 08:52:28 2007 From: kalirhe at umdnj.edu (Henry Kalir) Date: Tue May 8 08:53:16 2007 Subject: [MV] comfortable microphone? Message-ID: <4004041674.4167440040@umdnj.edu> Chuck, Would a microphone working through iMic be OK for iListen? I use mine with VOIP ("soft phone") when traveling - sounds GREAT!! Best, Henry ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Rogers Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2007 11:44 am Subject: Re: [MV] comfortable microphone? > Jonathan (and everyone else): > > You need the USB adapter to use the Voice Tracker (or any > microphone, > really) with iListen. This is because Macintosh computers do not > have > a Mic In port. They only support Line In for their sound in port, > which uses a different signal strength from microphones. > > Regarding the price, the Voice Tracker is the best array > microphone > we have ever tested. It provides accuracy nearly as good as a head- > > worn microphone. We have also certified the MicFlex, which sells > for > about $50, but it does not have the noise-canceling properties the > > Voice Tracker has. One's concept of expensive versus not is always > > relative of course, and the Voice Tracker is the most expensive > microphone we sell, but in comparison to many professional > microphone > out there, it is a bargain. (The most expensive microphone we have > > certified is the Airline 77 from Samson which goes for about $400). > > > On May 8, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: > > > At 9:24 AM -0500 5/7/07, Chuck Rogers wrote: > >> > >> The Voice Tracker array microphone from Acoustic Magic works > >> nearly as good as a head-worn microphone... > > > > I looked them up at http://www.acousticmagic.com. That > microphone > > comes in two forms: > > > > Voice Tracker Array Microphone $249.00 > > > > and > > > > Voice Tracker USB Array Microphone $297.00 > > > > Does the former work just as well with iListen as the latter? > Also, > > it's pretty pricey either way: in your experience and that of > your > > customers (and other members of this list) are there any less > > expensive desktop microphones that work as well, or nearly, with > > > iListen? --tia, Jonathan > > _______________________________________________ > > MacVoice mailing list > > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and > random > > stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Tue May 8 09:19:30 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Tue May 8 09:19:44 2007 Subject: [MV] comfortable microphone? In-Reply-To: <4004041674.4167440040@umdnj.edu> References: <4004041674.4167440040@umdnj.edu> Message-ID: <27F0982E-A359-464E-B73D-053F0742BB53@macspeech.com> Henry (and everyone else): We are not able to certify the iMics that have been shipping for the past 3 years. They switched to a new chipset three years ago. What they switched to does not provide enough signal strength for iListen to get enough data to provide acceptable accuracy. This is really a Mac OS X issue, not an iListen issue. Mac OS X wants a signal strength that is about 10db higher than that of Windows. When using devices that were designed primarily with Windows computers in mind for things like VoIP or gaming, you can always turn up the volume (which also increases the volume of the noise in the environment). But for speech recognition, you need that extra oomph right up front. BTW, this is also why many Skype for Windows users complain that Mac users are harder to hear (softer). The Logitech microphones sold by Skype do not provide this additional signal strength. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On May 8, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Henry Kalir wrote: > Chuck, > > Would a microphone working through iMic be OK for iListen? > I use mine with VOIP ("soft phone") when traveling - sounds GREAT!! > > Best, > > Henry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chuck Rogers > Date: Tuesday, May 8, 2007 11:44 am > Subject: Re: [MV] comfortable microphone? > >> Jonathan (and everyone else): >> >> You need the USB adapter to use the Voice Tracker (or any >> microphone, >> really) with iListen. This is because Macintosh computers do not >> have >> a Mic In port. They only support Line In for their sound in port, >> which uses a different signal strength from microphones. >> >> Regarding the price, the Voice Tracker is the best array >> microphone >> we have ever tested. It provides accuracy nearly as good as a head- >> >> worn microphone. We have also certified the MicFlex, which sells >> for >> about $50, but it does not have the noise-canceling properties the >> >> Voice Tracker has. One's concept of expensive versus not is always >> >> relative of course, and the Voice Tracker is the most expensive >> microphone we sell, but in comparison to many professional >> microphone >> out there, it is a bargain. (The most expensive microphone we have >> >> certified is the Airline 77 from Samson which goes for about $400). >> >> >> On May 8, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: >> >>> At 9:24 AM -0500 5/7/07, Chuck Rogers wrote: >>>> >>>> The Voice Tracker array microphone from Acoustic Magic works >>>> nearly as good as a head-worn microphone... >>> >>> I looked them up at http://www.acousticmagic.com. That >> microphone >>> comes in two forms: >>> >>> Voice Tracker Array Microphone $249.00 >>> >>> and >>> >>> Voice Tracker USB Array Microphone $297.00 >>> >>> Does the former work just as well with iListen as the latter? >> Also, >>> it's pretty pricey either way: in your experience and that of >> your >>> customers (and other members of this list) are there any less >>> expensive desktop microphones that work as well, or nearly, with >> >>> iListen? --tia, Jonathan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacVoice mailing list >>> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and >> random >>> stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From gavinwj at wanadoo.fr Tue May 8 11:30:41 2007 From: gavinwj at wanadoo.fr (Gavin Wynford-Jones) Date: Tue May 8 11:30:59 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: References: <45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu><46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87A A4CBA798B@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu> <685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com> <76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com> <24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com> Message-ID: <1FC5BFD7-0033-4267-823C-E1BA9BF3791B@wanadoo.fr> Chuck, please give an example or two of these famous "not very intuitive" commands. I have yet to come across any myself, you see... Gavin On 8 May 2007, at 17:53, Chuck Rogers wrote: > Jonathan (and everyone else): > > I did a little digging and those who are more familiar with using > DNS than I say that the trade off for using commands embedded in > dictation mode is that the commands tend to be very carefully > worded - and not always very intuitive - in order to insure they > are not mis-recognized as dictation. (I alluded to this in an > earlier email, but have since had it confirmed by others.) Having a > command mode means that the command name itself can be much more > natural and easier to remember. > > As I said, you can always say "One Shot Command" which throws you > into Command mode for one command, and then immediately takes you > back to Dictation mode. > > > > Best Regards, > > Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist > MacSpeech, Inc. > > > > > On May 7, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: > >> At 9:21 AM -0500 5/7/07, Chuck Rogers wrote: >>> Ian (and everyone else): >>> >>> As Joe pointed out, having commands intermingled in dictation >>> mode could cause huge problems... >> >> ViaVoice has a single mode for both dictation and commands; >> usually, it isn't a problem. On the other hand, I also finding >> myself gradually getting more used to switching modes with >> iListen. This really doesn't appear to be a big issue to me, >> either way. --Jonathan >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Tue May 8 18:28:49 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Tue May 8 18:29:20 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: <1FC5BFD7-0033-4267-823C-E1BA9BF3791B@wanadoo.fr> References: <"EECCFEB3-3034-4C63-ABD0-B03E4B114 EA1"@bellsouth.net> <45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu> <"46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87A A4CBA798B"@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu> <685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com> <76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com> <24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com> <1FC5BFD7-0033-4267-823C-E1BA9BF3791B@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <1A7B44E0-1E38-4A25-BF03-81D65F43C0AC@macspeech.com> Gavin (and everyone else): I would if I could - all I can tell you is that I contacted some people who use DNS and that's what they told me. They weren't specific about the actual commands. What I was told was that Dragon, like iListen, has a "Command Only" mode, and they also have a "trick" for forcing the program to do dictation when it incorrectly here's a command (although they didn't tell me what it was). So obviously, it must be a big enough issue for the company to provide a solution for it. This is one of those things where them being in business more years has allowed them to provide more bells and whistles. And, of course, the fact they haven't had to rewrite much of their code for Windows compatible hardware or software in the past 14 years has given them a lot more time than we have had to make improvements in the core functionality of their program. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On May 8, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: > Chuck, please give an example or two of these famous "not very > intuitive" commands. I have yet to come across any myself, you see... > > Gavin > > On 8 May 2007, at 17:53, Chuck Rogers wrote: > >> Jonathan (and everyone else): >> >> I did a little digging and those who are more familiar with using >> DNS than I say that the trade off for using commands embedded in >> dictation mode is that the commands tend to be very carefully >> worded - and not always very intuitive - in order to insure they >> are not mis-recognized as dictation. (I alluded to this in an >> earlier email, but have since had it confirmed by others.) Having >> a command mode means that the command name itself can be much more >> natural and easier to remember. >> >> As I said, you can always say "One Shot Command" which throws you >> into Command mode for one command, and then immediately takes you >> back to Dictation mode. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist >> MacSpeech, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> On May 7, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: >> >>> At 9:21 AM -0500 5/7/07, Chuck Rogers wrote: >>>> Ian (and everyone else): >>>> >>>> As Joe pointed out, having commands intermingled in dictation >>>> mode could cause huge problems... >>> >>> ViaVoice has a single mode for both dictation and commands; >>> usually, it isn't a problem. On the other hand, I also finding >>> myself gradually getting more used to switching modes with >>> iListen. This really doesn't appear to be a big issue to me, >>> either way. --Jonathan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacVoice mailing list >>> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and >>> random stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From vlmaples at bellsouth.net Tue May 8 18:32:02 2007 From: vlmaples at bellsouth.net (Valerie Maples) Date: Tue May 8 18:32:16 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: <1FC5BFD7-0033-4267-823C-E1BA9BF3791B@wanadoo.fr> References: <45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu><46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87A A4CBA798B@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu> <685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com> <76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com> <24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com> <1FC5BFD7-0033-4267-823C-E1BA9BF3791B@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <7C12791E-B62E-40DA-8EB8-2819559F8865@bellsouth.net> Count me as another... commands have been natural and seamless for at least three or four versions. I use both iListen and DNS easily, Dragon winning for proper names and medical terminology. Valerie On May 8, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: Chuck, please give an example or two of these famous "not very intuitive" commands. I have yet to come across any myself, you see... Gavin On 8 May 2007, at 17:53, Chuck Rogers wrote: > Jonathan (and everyone else): > > I did a little digging and those who are more familiar with using > DNS than I say that the trade off for using commands embedded in > dictation mode is that the commands tend to be very carefully > worded - and not always very intuitive - in order to insure they > are not mis-recognized as dictation. (I alluded to this in an > earlier email, but have since had it confirmed by others.) Having a > command mode means that the command name itself can be much more > natural and easier to remember. > > As I said, you can always say "One Shot Command" which throws you > into Command mode for one command, and then immediately takes you > back to Dictation mode. > > > > Best Regards, > > Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist > MacSpeech, Inc. > > > > > On May 7, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: > >> At 9:21 AM -0500 5/7/07, Chuck Rogers wrote: >>> Ian (and everyone else): >>> >>> As Joe pointed out, having commands intermingled in dictation >>> mode could cause huge problems... >> >> ViaVoice has a single mode for both dictation and commands; >> usually, it isn't a problem. On the other hand, I also finding >> myself gradually getting more used to switching modes with >> iListen. This really doesn't appear to be a big issue to me, >> either way. --Jonathan >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > _______________________________________________ MacVoice mailing list MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From richards at spawar.navy.mil Wed May 9 11:38:41 2007 From: richards at spawar.navy.mil (John F. Richardson) Date: Wed May 9 11:41:28 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: <1A7B44E0-1E38-4A25-BF03-81D65F43C0AC@macspeech.com> References: <"EECCFEB3-3034-4C63-ABD0-B03E4B114 EA1"@bellsouth.net><45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu> <"46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87AA4CBA798B"@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu><685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com><76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com><24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com><1FC5BFD7-0033-4267-823C-E1BA9BF3791B@wanadoo.fr> <1A7B44E0-1E38-4A25-BF03-81D65F43C0AC@macspeech.com> Message-ID: <014101c79269$441f1ea0$f5643180@doc> Hello, Perhaps you can arrange for Gavin and Valerie to contact those people off list and they can relate their experience to Gavin and Valerie (and anyone else). I use iListen. I do not use DNS simply because I use iListen every now and then for research so I have no desire to spend extra money, except on iListen accessories. I'm only interested in dictating into SuperCard or Robolab scrolling or text fields. The bottom line here obviously is that people can use an angelic Macintosh for speech recognition and that there are 2 solutions. John F. Richardson -----Original Message----- From: macvoice-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:macvoice-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Rogers Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:29 PM To: A place to discuss speech recognition on Macintosh. Subject: Re: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels Gavin (and everyone else): I would if I could - all I can tell you is that I contacted some people who use DNS and that's what they told me. They weren't specific about the actual commands. What I was told was that Dragon, like iListen, has a "Command Only" mode, and they also have a "trick" for forcing the program to do dictation when it incorrectly here's a command (although they didn't tell me what it was). So obviously, it must be a big enough issue for the company to provide a solution for it. This is one of those things where them being in business more years has allowed them to provide more bells and whistles. And, of course, the fact they haven't had to rewrite much of their code for Windows compatible hardware or software in the past 14 years has given them a lot more time than we have had to make improvements in the core functionality of their program. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On May 8, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Gavin Wynford-Jones wrote: > Chuck, please give an example or two of these famous "not very > intuitive" commands. I have yet to come across any myself, you see... > > Gavin > > On 8 May 2007, at 17:53, Chuck Rogers wrote: > >> Jonathan (and everyone else): >> >> I did a little digging and those who are more familiar with using >> DNS than I say that the trade off for using commands embedded in >> dictation mode is that the commands tend to be very carefully >> worded - and not always very intuitive - in order to insure they >> are not mis-recognized as dictation. (I alluded to this in an >> earlier email, but have since had it confirmed by others.) Having >> a command mode means that the command name itself can be much more >> natural and easier to remember. >> >> As I said, you can always say "One Shot Command" which throws you >> into Command mode for one command, and then immediately takes you >> back to Dictation mode. >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist >> MacSpeech, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> On May 7, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Levi, M.D. wrote: >> >>> At 9:21 AM -0500 5/7/07, Chuck Rogers wrote: >>>> Ian (and everyone else): >>>> >>>> As Joe pointed out, having commands intermingled in dictation >>>> mode could cause huge problems... >>> >>> ViaVoice has a single mode for both dictation and commands; >>> usually, it isn't a problem. On the other hand, I also finding >>> myself gradually getting more used to switching modes with >>> iListen. This really doesn't appear to be a big issue to me, >>> either way. --Jonathan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacVoice mailing list >>> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and >>> random stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MacVoice mailing list >> MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 _______________________________________________ MacVoice mailing list MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From macfiddler at mynewsat.com Wed May 16 10:35:45 2007 From: macfiddler at mynewsat.com (Erica Mackenzie) Date: Wed May 16 10:36:29 2007 Subject: [MV] DNS on Mac on Parallels In-Reply-To: <014101c79269$441f1ea0$f5643180@doc> References: <"EECCFEB3-3034-4C63-ABD0-B03E4B114 EA1"@bellsouth.net><45DBD285.4010706@umdnj.edu> <"46AD1469-8D19-4ED3-8B94-87AA4CBA798B"@bellsouth.net> <45DBF6C6.201@umdnj.edu><685C8FC4-4ED6-431A-B9FF-E1D5370257BA@iangilman.com><76EB16EB-4DCD-4D6F-9DF6-4AD4841587B4@aol.com><24C18353-0D8F-4D4A-9269-A4C49AC8A3B4@macspeech.com><1FC5BFD7-0033-4267-823C-E1BA9BF3791B@wanadoo.fr> <1A7B44E0-1E38-4A25-BF03-81D65F43C0AC@macspeech.com> <014101c79269$441f1ea0$f5643180@doc> Message-ID: <243191B8-AB55-483E-AC23-257EFA4FE979@mynewsat.com> Three solutions: ViaVoice still works more accurately and reliably on my Mac than iListen (with a few adaptations, mentioned in my other post). On 10/05/2007, at 4:38 AM, John F. Richardson wrote: > The bottom line here obviously is that people can use an angelic > Macintosh > for speech recognition and that there are 2 solutions. Best, Erica Mackenzie Queensland, Australia n.b. I have a new e-mail address, so update your records if necessary: macsongbird@mac.com From coolcat at hosting4days.com Thu May 24 08:43:55 2007 From: coolcat at hosting4days.com (revDAVE) Date: Thu May 24 08:44:14 2007 Subject: [MV] Quick Microphone Question Message-ID: I have a friend with an Intel Mac Book Pro. He has some version of the older headset with a mini jack. Will the Mac book pro recognizing this microphone with just the mini jack input? The reason I ask, is because I use a headset with a mini jack input - but mine is plugged into and Andrea USB adapter. This is because older ViaVoice if required if at the time - maybe I don't need it anymore if I'm not using ViaVoice? - Assuming a computer had a mini jack input - What was the purpose of Andrea USB adapters - were they needed? -- Thanks - RevDave CoolCat@hosting4days.com [db-lists] From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Thu May 24 08:50:54 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Thu May 24 08:51:07 2007 Subject: [MV] Quick Microphone Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave: You will ALWAYS need to use a USB adapter with a microphone unless you amplify the microphone's signal in some way before you plug it into your Mac. The reason for this is because Macintosh computers have LINE IN sound input ports, not MIC IN. LINE IN expects an amplified signal. Macintosh computers have not been able to accept a Microphone straight in since the original Bondi Blue iMac. Older (much older) Macs had a unique "PlainTalk" sound input jack. They still couldn't use a normal microphone input, but if you had a special microphone with an elongated jack (that could reach the small power supply attached to the input jack) you wouldn't need an external amplifier (although you still needed to use a special microphone with the right type of elongated mini jack). Best Regards, Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist MacSpeech, Inc. On May 24, 2007, at 10:43 AM, revDAVE wrote: > I have a friend with an Intel Mac Book Pro. He has some version of > the older > headset with a mini jack. Will the Mac book pro recognizing this > microphone > with just the mini jack input? > > The reason I ask, is because I use a headset with a mini jack input > - but > mine is plugged into and Andrea USB adapter. This is because older > ViaVoice > if required if at the time - maybe I don't need it anymore if I'm > not using > ViaVoice? > > - Assuming a computer had a mini jack input - What was the purpose of > Andrea USB adapters - were they needed? > > > -- > Thanks - RevDave > CoolCat@hosting4days.com > [db-lists] > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From coolcat at hosting4days.com Thu May 24 16:08:23 2007 From: coolcat at hosting4days.com (revDAVE) Date: Thu May 24 16:08:40 2007 Subject: [MV] Quick Microphone Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/24/2007 8:50 AM, "Chuck Rogers" wrote: > Dave: > > You will ALWAYS need to use a USB adapter with a microphone unless > you amplify the microphone's signal in some way before you plug it > into your Mac. The reason for this is because Macintosh computers > have LINE IN sound input ports, not MIC IN. LINE IN expects an > amplified signal. > > Macintosh computers have not been able to accept a Microphone > straight in since the original Bondi Blue iMac. Older (much older) > Macs had a unique "PlainTalk" sound input jack. They still couldn't > use a normal microphone input, but if you had a special microphone > with an elongated jack (that could reach the small power supply > attached to the input jack) you wouldn't need an external amplifier > (although you still needed to use a special microphone with the right > type of elongated mini jack). > > Best Regards, > > Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist > MacSpeech, Inc. Thanks for the info Chuck! BTW: I am ready now to buy the 1.7 full upgrade... I just sent this to tech support - can you help with this at all? I would like to also purchase the scriptPak CD upgrade, however I would really appreciate it if you could create some kind of coupon discount and knock the price down for both of these a little bit. the reason I ask is that I have supported your company since the very beginning ( when I listen barely worked) ... and also the fact that I am very low on funds right now.... anything you can do to help would be greatly appreciated. Also Chuck Rogers is a GREAT GUY! - does that help too? haha -- Thanks - RevDave CoolCat@hosting4days.com [db-lists] From chuck.rogers at macspeech.com Thu May 24 16:12:40 2007 From: chuck.rogers at macspeech.com (Chuck Rogers) Date: Thu May 24 16:13:01 2007 Subject: [MV] Quick Microphone Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D08063A-C0D5-492B-B91D-135FB982895F@macspeech.com> Dave: No promises, but I will check with sales and see what I can do. Best Regards, Chuck Rogers ==================================================== There are two types of people in the world: those who divide the world into two types of people and those who don't. On May 24, 2007, at 6:08 PM, revDAVE wrote: > On 5/24/2007 8:50 AM, "Chuck Rogers" > wrote: > >> Dave: >> >> You will ALWAYS need to use a USB adapter with a microphone unless >> you amplify the microphone's signal in some way before you plug it >> into your Mac. The reason for this is because Macintosh computers >> have LINE IN sound input ports, not MIC IN. LINE IN expects an >> amplified signal. >> >> Macintosh computers have not been able to accept a Microphone >> straight in since the original Bondi Blue iMac. Older (much older) >> Macs had a unique "PlainTalk" sound input jack. They still couldn't >> use a normal microphone input, but if you had a special microphone >> with an elongated jack (that could reach the small power supply >> attached to the input jack) you wouldn't need an external amplifier >> (although you still needed to use a special microphone with the right >> type of elongated mini jack). >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Chuck Rogers, Chief Evangelist >> MacSpeech, Inc. > > > Thanks for the info Chuck! > > > BTW: I am ready now to buy the 1.7 full upgrade... > > I just sent this to tech support - can you help with this at all? > > I would like to also purchase the scriptPak CD upgrade, however I > would > really appreciate it if you could create some kind of coupon > discount and > knock the price down for both of these a little bit. the reason I > ask is > that I have supported your company since the very beginning ( when > I listen > barely worked) ... and also the fact that I am very low on funds right > now.... anything you can do to help would be greatly appreciated. > > Also Chuck Rogers is a GREAT GUY! - does that help too? haha > > -- > Thanks - RevDave > CoolCat@hosting4days.com > [db-lists] > > > > _______________________________________________ > MacVoice mailing list > MacVoice@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/macvoice > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From coolcat at hosting4days.com Thu May 24 21:13:13 2007 From: coolcat at hosting4days.com (revDAVE) Date: Thu May 24 21:13:27 2007 Subject: [MV] OK- Finally I Took The Plunge! iListen Is Great! Message-ID: OK- Finally I Took The Plunge! iListen is great! Up till today, I have been using IBM ViaVoice since it first came out. And as some of us have discussed on this list, over the years it gets worse and worse with each new Apple system, since it has never been upgraded. So, I had a whole list of kooky work-arounds to keep it going. Finally, enough was enough, and I took the plunge into iListen. Originally, I had purchased in the very first version of iListen, (I think it was back in the late 1700's) ... And back then it was not as good as ViaVoice... So basically I never used it... So, today I took the plunge - and got the latest 1.7 upgrade - and I trained it, only partially for thirty minutes or so... And so far I am incredibly impressed that how well it works. As an example, this is one of the first bits of writing I am doing, and generally the accuracy after only 30 minutes for the basics, is about 90 percent - that is very cool! For all the other via voice holdouts - I can tell you that on day one - I am very pleased with iListen. I can only hope it gets better and better over time, but I am already impressed! -- Thanks - RevDave CoolCat@hosting4days.com [db-lists]