From petez at mac.com Tue Jun 28 15:28:18 2005 From: petez at mac.com (Pete Zimowski) Date: Tue Jun 28 15:28:25 2005 Subject: [PB] Test Message-ID: Sorry. Have subscribed and not received any mail. Pete From fearsome.orange at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 15:35:04 2005 From: fearsome.orange at gmail.com (Jean-Paul Thuot) Date: Tue Jun 28 15:35:07 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44eba1290506281535886cf4d@mail.gmail.com> It's an extremely quiet list... Jean-Paul On 6/29/05, Pete Zimowski wrote: > Sorry. Have subscribed and not received any mail. > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > PowerBook mailing list > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From groups at pursued-with.net Tue Jun 28 15:36:27 2005 From: groups at pursued-with.net (Kevin Stevens) Date: Tue Jun 28 15:36:32 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: <44eba1290506281535886cf4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <44eba1290506281535886cf4d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Jean-Paul Thuot wrote: > It's an extremely quiet list... > > Jean-Paul We're waiting for the Intel PowerBooks. ;) KeS From jogme at terra.com.br Tue Jun 28 15:47:12 2005 From: jogme at terra.com.br (Joao Carlos de Pinho) Date: Tue Jun 28 15:47:24 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Em 6/28/05 19:28, "Pete Zimowski" escreveu: > Sorry. Have subscribed and not received any mail. Try this list: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium Much more active, not to mention the presence of celebrity members like Steve Wozniak and Shawn King (from "Your Mac Life"). Cheers, Joao Carlos de Pinho S?o Paulo, Brazil From ecrist at secure-computing.net Tue Jun 28 20:34:16 2005 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Tue Jun 28 20:34:38 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <886698C1-7171-433D-848C-F773AED544CC@secure-computing.net> SHHH! On Jun 28, 2005, at 5:28 PM, Pete Zimowski wrote: > Sorry. Have subscribed and not received any mail. > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > PowerBook mailing list > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________________ Eric F Crist "I am so smart, S.M.R.T!" Secure Computing Networks -Homer J Simpson From zifnab at mac.com Wed Jun 29 02:32:00 2005 From: zifnab at mac.com (@leX) Date: Wed Jun 29 02:32:04 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> Hi All I joined this group recently, and have been a member of the Ti list for ages The Ti list is an active and interesting list with members such as Steve Wozniak. (;-) cool or what!) Several times members have said that the discussions on the Ti list go WAY off topic (ie// Ti PowerBooks) and they do! Al laptops, intel laptops, software problems, Steve Jobs and his keynotes.... you get the idea. There was a lot of chat about changing the name of that list to reflect the diversity of powerbook chatter on it How ever Eric (the Listmom) decided, in his infinite wisdom, that the list stays as the Ti list and for general powerbook chatter this list was born. That is a very reasonable decision, in my book, and I went and joined the powerbook list. Little did I expect.......... SILENCE! OK I got the , you have been subscribed, email so I know the list is active. Maybe everyone is asleep? So I am a patient chap, I wait for the alarm bell to ring. 10 days... no posts 20 days... no posts. Geesh where is everyone? 28 days and WOW A POST BTW Hi Pete :-) and 4 replys !!!!! hi Jean-Paul, Kevin, Joao and Eric, wave :-). What's it about? Oh! laugh a minute, have I been too patient.... 6 lurkers and no posts, finally someone asks what the F**k! Good on you Pete I am guessing that the simple answer to your simple question, why no mail? is that a very large number of the people that are enthusiastically talking about general powerbook stuff are already doing so on the Ti list. Many of them have Ti's as well as Al's or G3's (me to) and it seems a natural extension to chat about them. So what is the answer? I must say that I am not sure. We could ditch this list and join the Ti list for the general powerbook chatter we are after, this list would most likely die and thats that. We could also chat away as we like and have fun here, it is kind of cool to be in on the start of a new list. We get to ask the question we want, chat about stuff we like, and the more we do it the more likely we all again, and of corse the list might even grow. I'm in for making this list kick off, all who what this to chime in and let each other know, and lets start posting general power book stuff. Questions, interesting facts or fiction, good urls to read and chat about, general moans or glee about laptops.... anything goes its our list!!!!!!! Guys let lurk no longer ;-) Alex On 28 Jun 2005, at 23:28, Pete Zimowski wrote: > Sorry. Have subscribed and not received any mail. > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > PowerBook mailing list > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From wendy_austin at mac.com Wed Jun 29 03:18:53 2005 From: wendy_austin at mac.com (Wendy S. Austin) Date: Wed Jun 29 03:19:01 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> Message-ID: Greetings All I joined this list following the recommendation from Eric. I have stayed on the Titanium list too which seems to have calmed down a bit after the recent pissy fight between a couple of the posters. I am hoping more people will drift over from that list to this one. However at this point in time, I have no problems with my PowerBook so can't ask any serious questions. Cheers Wendy On 29 Jun 2005, at 13:32, @leX wrote: Hi All I joined this group recently, and have been a member of the Ti list for ages The Ti list is an active and interesting list with members such as Steve Wozniak. (;-) cool or what!) Several times members have said that the discussions on the Ti list go WAY off topic (ie// Ti PowerBooks) and they do! Al laptops, intel laptops, software problems, Steve Jobs and his keynotes.... you get the idea. (snip) Guys let lurk no longer ;-) Alex Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin Coastal Road Pomponette via Surinam Mauritius Island tel/ans/fax: +2306257399 iChat/MSN: wendy_austin@mac.com From fearsome.orange at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 03:31:59 2005 From: fearsome.orange at gmail.com (Jean-Paul Thuot) Date: Wed Jun 29 03:32:02 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> Message-ID: <44eba12905062903317e65fcd4@mail.gmail.com> I recently bought my FW800 1Ghz PB from a friend of mine who was going off to China (I'm living in Taiwan right now). It was an upgrade from a 600mhz iBook that I had packed around for a year or more. I am loving the 15" screen, the increased snappiness and the oh-so-cool metal look of the Al. It's heavier than the iBook, but I really don't mind. I sometimes have trouble with burning CDs on the combo drive. If I try to burn a CD from Roxio or iTunes I don't have a trouble, but if I just throw a blank CD in I often get "drive not supported" message. This is in Tiger 10.4.1 Does this happen to anyone else? Jean-Paul (who's hoping this might kickstart something on this list.) On 6/29/05, Wendy S. Austin wrote: > Greetings All > > I joined this list following the recommendation from Eric. I have > stayed on the Titanium list too which seems to have calmed down a bit > after the recent pissy fight between a couple of the posters. > > I am hoping more people will drift over from that list to this one. > > However at this point in time, I have no problems with my PowerBook > so can't ask any serious questions. > > Cheers > > Wendy > > On 29 Jun 2005, at 13:32, @leX wrote: > > Hi All > > I joined this group recently, and have been a member of the Ti list > for ages > The Ti list is an active and interesting list with members such as > Steve Wozniak. (;-) cool or what!) > Several times members have said that the discussions on the Ti list > go WAY off topic (ie// Ti PowerBooks) and they do! > Al laptops, intel laptops, software problems, Steve Jobs and his > keynotes.... you get the idea. (snip) > > Guys let lurk no longer ;-) > > Alex > > > > Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin > Coastal Road > Pomponette via Surinam > Mauritius Island > tel/ans/fax: +2306257399 > iChat/MSN: wendy_austin@mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > PowerBook mailing list > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From zifnab at mac.com Wed Jun 29 03:40:54 2005 From: zifnab at mac.com (@leX) Date: Wed Jun 29 03:40:58 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: <44eba12905062903317e65fcd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> <44eba12905062903317e65fcd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2fdf9e48dd527f461486f81120cb4d1a@mac.com> Hi Jean-Paul Usually the OS gives you the message that the drive is not supported when you have put in a 3rd party CD/DVD drive that did not come with your mac. Check with your friend to see if he upgraded the drive in your powerbook. That would be the most likely reason. Alex On 29 Jun 2005, at 11:31, Jean-Paul Thuot wrote: > I recently bought my FW800 1Ghz PB from a friend of mine who was going > off to China (I'm living in Taiwan right now). It was an upgrade from > a 600mhz iBook that I had packed around for a year or more. > > I am loving the 15" screen, the increased snappiness and the > oh-so-cool metal look of the Al. It's heavier than the iBook, but I > really don't mind. > > I sometimes have trouble with burning CDs on the combo drive. If I > try to burn a CD from Roxio or iTunes I don't have a trouble, but if I > just throw a blank CD in I often get "drive not supported" message. > This is in Tiger 10.4.1 > > Does this happen to anyone else? > > Jean-Paul > > (who's hoping this might kickstart something on this list.) From ftf at mac.com Wed Jun 29 05:40:24 2005 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Wed Jun 29 05:40:31 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jun 29, 2005, at 2:32 AM, @leX wrote: > That is a very reasonable decision, in my book, and I went and > joined the powerbook list. > Little did I expect.......... SILENCE! > > OK I got the , you have been subscribed, email so I know the list > is active. Maybe everyone is asleep? > So I am a patient chap, I wait for the alarm bell to ring. 10 > days... no posts 20 days... no posts. Geesh where is everyone? > 28 days and WOW A POST because much of the action is over on the LEM (LowEndMac) PowerBooks and G-Books Lists: From sw at shelton.org Wed Jun 29 06:47:21 2005 From: sw at shelton.org (Scott Warren) Date: Wed Jun 29 06:47:26 2005 Subject: [PB] Just a generic OS dislike Message-ID: 1 thing I have always found annoying about every OS (windoze, Gui *nix, even our beloved OS X) I have encountered is there are still some programs that have windows that you can not resize. Setting up my rule (in Apple Mail) to filter this listgroup, I could not see the entire email address in the field and the window would not resize to fit. If there are any programers out there, please take the few moments when you define a window to use the resizable one... just with different sizes of fonts and long file paths, its good to see it all. Also use error alert windows where you can copy the text to paste into email or some place else.... From sequethin at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 10:17:58 2005 From: sequethin at gmail.com (Mike Hernandez) Date: Wed Jun 29 10:18:02 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> Message-ID: <3060c239050629101723fce637@mail.gmail.com> I was wondering what was up with this list too, I figured maybe everyone was just.... busy? haha I forgot I was subscribed actually, since my gmail box is always full of zsh, enlightenment, and various linux from scratch mailing lists. I joined this list since I don't know anyone else with a powerbook. Most of my friends are linux-on-x86 guys (or of the "hey - you're always doing computer stuff, aren't you?" variety). I know they get jealous every time they see my keyboard light up in the dark, so maybe I won't be the only one soon haha. Anyway I hope this isn't going to be the only thread this year! Mike From geoff at wsu.edu Wed Jun 29 11:22:05 2005 From: geoff at wsu.edu (Geoff Allen) Date: Wed Jun 29 11:22:09 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: <3060c239050629101723fce637@mail.gmail.com> References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> <3060c239050629101723fce637@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1120069325.24339.81.camel@desmond.it.wsu.edu> On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 13:17 -0400, Mike Hernandez wrote: > I was wondering what was up with this list too, I figured maybe > everyone was just.... busy? haha I forgot I was subscribed actually, I had forgotten about this list as well. When I saw the original message, I thought it interesting that the poster hadn't been getting messages, since the list has been rather active. Then, after reading some of the replies, I realized that the PB list was the list in question, not the TI list, and thought "Oh yeah, there's that new powerbook list. Forgot about that." Geoff -- Geoff Allen, geoff@wsu.edu, http://www.wsu.edu/~geoff/ July 4th is Independence Day in the U.S., and it is celebrated in a truly American way by blowing things up and taking a day off from work. -- Adam Engst, in TidBITS From vdub.grego at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 11:26:43 2005 From: vdub.grego at gmail.com (Matt Gregory) Date: Wed Jun 29 11:26:45 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: <1120069325.24339.81.camel@desmond.it.wsu.edu> References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> <3060c239050629101723fce637@mail.gmail.com> <1120069325.24339.81.camel@desmond.it.wsu.edu> Message-ID: <91a7048005062911263837f8f0@mail.gmail.com> I subscribed to the Ti list this morning because of this thread. But so far this list is winning ... matt. On 6/29/05, Geoff Allen wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 13:17 -0400, Mike Hernandez wrote: > > I was wondering what was up with this list too, I figured maybe > > everyone was just.... busy? haha I forgot I was subscribed actually, > > I had forgotten about this list as well. When I saw the original > message, I thought it interesting that the poster hadn't been getting > messages, since the list has been rather active. Then, after reading > some of the replies, I realized that the PB list was the list in > question, not the TI list, and thought "Oh yeah, there's that new > powerbook list. Forgot about that." > > Geoff > > -- > Geoff Allen, geoff@wsu.edu, http://www.wsu.edu/~geoff/ > > July 4th is Independence Day in the U.S., and it is celebrated in a > truly American way by blowing things up and taking a day off from work. > -- Adam Engst, in TidBITS > _______________________________________________ > PowerBook mailing list > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/powerbook/attachments/20050629/452831dd/attachment.html From richard.mckay1 at virgin.net Wed Jun 29 12:16:54 2005 From: richard.mckay1 at virgin.net (Richard McKay) Date: Wed Jun 29 12:17:08 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29/6/05 13:40, "Fabian Fang" wrote: > On Jun 29, 2005, at 2:32 AM, @leX wrote: > >> That is a very reasonable decision, in my book, and I went and >> joined the powerbook list. >> Little did I expect.......... SILENCE! >> >> OK I got the , you have been subscribed, email so I know the list >> is active. Maybe everyone is asleep? >> So I am a patient chap, I wait for the alarm bell to ring. 10 >> days... no posts 20 days... no posts. Geesh where is everyone? >> 28 days and WOW A POST > > because much of the action is over on the LEM (LowEndMac) PowerBooks > and G-Books Lists: > Or on the iBook list...many of us who originally started out with iBooks have since migrated to the PB series but have remained on the lists we were used to. I also went with the 'Albook users this way please' email from Eric when this list was created and noticed quickly that because everyone was tolerant of the AlBook users on the Ti list from early on, there was no motivation to migrate. Many of the posters have made online 'friends' at certain lists or from experience know whose posts to 'trust' for help or information. I expect this is another reason that this list hasn't taken off yet...interesting thought about the new Mactel Books...maybe at that point there will be a real boom. I do have an issue that I am hoping the list can help with though... When I upgraded from Panther to Tiger I now seem to have to join my own open Airport network every time I wake the Book from sleep or restart! What makes this all the more annoying is that my wifes PB seems to have the network in its 'trusted' networks list and automatically joins it...(we did a wipe and clean install for hers though). Any thoughts on why or better yet how to let my AEBS join the trusted list are appreciated... Cheers from a unusually sunny Wales, Richard -- From murrayka at mac.com Wed Jun 29 12:18:12 2005 From: murrayka at mac.com (Murray Kastner) Date: Wed Jun 29 12:19:31 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> Message-ID: Okay, let's 'prime the pump' as it were. To do that I throw out a question, general in nature. but well-suited to plumb the latent strength of this new list. It is: How long does the battery in your PB last? And which PB do you have? And, lastly, I would like to know if there is any advantage to buying an extra battery and alternating them? Like many of you, I have my own estimate but it will be interesting to get the feedback. And if you want to kick-start this list, throw out some grist for the mill! Murray On 29-Jun-05, at 6:18 AM, Wendy S. Austin wrote: > Greetings All > > I joined this list following the recommendation from Eric. I > have stayed on the Titanium list too which seems to have calmed > down a bit after the recent pissy fight between a couple of the > posters. > > I am hoping more people will drift over from that list to this one. > > However at this point in time, I have no problems with my PowerBook > so can't ask any serious questions. > > Cheers > > Wendy > > On 29 Jun 2005, at 13:32, @leX wrote: > > Hi All > > I joined this group recently, and have been a member of the Ti list > for ages > The Ti list is an active and interesting list with members such as > Steve Wozniak. (;-) cool or what!) > Several times members have said that the discussions on the Ti list > go WAY off topic (ie// Ti PowerBooks) and they do! > Al laptops, intel laptops, software problems, Steve Jobs and his > keynotes.... you get the idea. (snip) > > Guys let lurk no longer ;-) > > Alex > > > > Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin > Coastal Road > Pomponette via Surinam > Mauritius Island > tel/ans/fax: +2306257399 > iChat/MSN: wendy_austin@mac.com > > _______________________________________________ > PowerBook mailing list > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From sequethin at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 12:32:12 2005 From: sequethin at gmail.com (Mike Hernandez) Date: Wed Jun 29 12:32:14 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> Message-ID: <3060c23905062912323d32be79@mail.gmail.com> On 6/29/05, Murray Kastner wrote: > How long does the battery in your PB last? And which PB do you have? > And, lastly, I would like to know if there is any advantage to buying > an extra battery and alternating them? > I got my pb about a month or 2 ago, it's 15" 1.67Ghz, 1GB RAM, 128MB/dual-head video, etc. I did calibrate my battery (found that in the manual while looking for the answer to my 'how did I manage to get my keyboard to light up like that?' question haha) and I turn off my airport and bluetooth unless I need them, which isn't so often. I get about 3.5 hours of battery life if I just listen to bassdrive.com [boh! ;)] and surf the net, use neo office, etc. The battery life is shortened by about an hour if I decide to mess around with blender, or when I tell fink to try compiling some linux app that I miss. I was really glad when I realized that I could turn my airport and bluetooth off, because 2 hours of battery just didn't seem right at all... I don't foresee myself going somewhere that I couldn't charge my battery any time soon, so I haven't considered getting an extra battery. Glad to see some activity here! Mike From sequethin at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 12:38:43 2005 From: sequethin at gmail.com (Mike Hernandez) Date: Wed Jun 29 12:38:46 2005 Subject: [PB] Cleaning your pb? Message-ID: <3060c23905062912381920b5a1@mail.gmail.com> Just wondering what you all might use to keep your PB lookin' sexy. I do my best to keep her (I named my powerbook Artemis haha there's a thread I'll keep handy in case of a long silent period I guess) clean but it's impossible to keep anything spotless. What works best for the screen / cover / keyboard? Damp cloth for all? I have a datavac at the office which comes in handy... Mike From richard.mckay1 at virgin.net Wed Jun 29 13:07:54 2005 From: richard.mckay1 at virgin.net (Richard McKay) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:07:59 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: <3060c23905062912323d32be79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 29/6/05 20:32, "Mike Hernandez" wrote: > On 6/29/05, Murray Kastner wrote: >> How long does the battery in your PB last? And which PB do you have? >> And, lastly, I would like to know if there is any advantage to buying >> an extra battery and alternating them? >> > > I got my pb about a month or 2 ago, it's 15" 1.67Ghz, 1GB RAM, > 128MB/dual-head video, etc. Nice PB! We have a 12" 1.5 and a 17" 1.33 with 1.5 GB RAM which we alternate using with our 20" Apple Display. After a year with the 17" I tend to get anywhere from 1.5 hours (DVD, streaming wireless radio, full brightness) to near 4 hours when taking energy measures underway. > I did calibrate my battery (found that in the manual while looking > for the answer to my 'how did I manage to get my keyboard to light up > like that?' question haha) and I turn off my airport and bluetooth > unless I need them, which isn't so often. I get about 3.5 hours of > battery life if I just listen to bassdrive.com [boh! ;)] and surf the > net, use neo office, etc. When you say you calibrated your battery what do you mean? I haven't seen any tool for this (GUI anyway) and would be interested. Curious why you wouldn't be using the wireless connection to be online though...one of the best reasons to have a Book instead of a laptop IMO. > The battery life is shortened by about an hour if I decide to mess > around with blender, or when I tell fink to try compiling some linux > app that I miss. > > I was really glad when I realized that I could turn my airport and > bluetooth off, because 2 hours of battery just didn't seem right at > all... I don't foresee myself going somewhere that I couldn't charge > my battery any time soon, so I haven't considered getting an extra > battery. You can also lengthen the battery time by reducing the screen brightness to just what you need at the time instead of always on full, also you can turn of the backlit keyboard to help somewhat. Finally you can ensure that you try to read from memory first then from HD and at least when underway never from CD/DVD (copy them to HD) if possible. I used to have a second battery for a previous Book and hardly ever used it (besides flying I was hardly ever more than 3.5 hours away from a power source) so that in the end it really wasn't that smart a purchase. With the new PB I expect that I will be able to last at least 2 years until I will most likely upgrade again anyway. > Glad to see some activity here! Ditto. Cheers, Richard -- From zifnab at mac.com Wed Jun 29 13:12:39 2005 From: zifnab at mac.com (@leX) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:12:45 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance In-Reply-To: References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> Message-ID: On 29 Jun 2005, at 20:18, Murray Kastner wrote: > > How long does the battery in your PB last? Depends what you are doing with it and how it is set up: More Ram means longer battery life as the Mac will need to use the HD less for swap space Using the CD/DVD drive will lower battery life LOTS as will accessing the HD lots. I can happily watch a 2hr dvd on my Al or Ti before the battery warning comes up with apple batteries and better with Other World Batteries > And which PB do you have? A Pismo G3 A Ti 867 and an Al 1GHz > And, lastly, I would like to know if there is any advantage to buying > an extra battery and alternating them? I have multiple batteries for long haul flights and swap them out then, but I have found no great advantage in swapping them out regularly. I have apple batteries and other world batteries for my Ti which give an amazing boost to battery time. On the Ti about 30 to 40 minutes and about 20 to 30 minutes on the Al longer than the apple batteries! http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/powerbook/batteries/ Alex From pkrug at mac.com Wed Jun 29 13:18:27 2005 From: pkrug at mac.com (Peter Krug) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:18:31 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <655DB2C0-16C7-4067-A574-D51422A9A9EC@mac.com> On Jun 29, 2005, at 4:07 PM, Richard McKay wrote: > > I used to have a second battery for a previous Book and hardly ever > used it > (besides flying I was hardly ever more than 3.5 hours away from a > power > source) so that in the end it really wasn't that smart a purchase. > With the > new PB I expect that I will be able to last at least 2 years until > I will > most likely upgrade again anyway. I got a second battery when I got my Rev. A Lunchtray Deluxe (17-inch PBG4) in April 2003. Every other week or so, I swap batteries. I find that I still get great battery life in both, about 3 hours with minimal power saving techniques. A friend who got the same machine in the summer of 2003 has pretty much burned out his one battery. I guess it depends on your usage, but I think the second battery was a good investment for me. I'd like to believe my plan of battery swaps should keep me in business for another year or so, maybe more. Peter "I felt something, a disturbance in the network, as if a million Mac zealots cried out in horror and were suddenly silenced." -- One Slashdot reader comments on Apple's switch to Intel. Peter Krug pkrug@mac.com From zifnab at mac.com Wed Jun 29 13:19:36 2005 From: zifnab at mac.com (@leX) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:19:49 2005 Subject: [PB] What the... !!!!! In-Reply-To: <3060c23905062912381920b5a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3060c23905062912381920b5a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19c184a25f7f252b6fe9873829545384@mac.com> At least as pb users we don't have to put up with this kind of thing!!!!! http://c0x2.de/lol/lol.html or do we? man that is scary....... Alex From richard.mckay1 at virgin.net Wed Jun 29 13:39:15 2005 From: richard.mckay1 at virgin.net (Richard McKay) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:39:19 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: <655DB2C0-16C7-4067-A574-D51422A9A9EC@mac.com> Message-ID: On 29/6/05 21:18, "Peter Krug" wrote: > I got a second battery when I got my Rev. A Lunchtray Deluxe (17-inch > PBG4) in April 2003. Every other week or so, I swap batteries. I > find that I still get great battery life in both, about 3 hours with > minimal power saving techniques. A friend who got the same machine > in the summer of 2003 has pretty much burned out his one battery. I > guess it depends on your usage, but I think the second battery was a > good investment for me. I'd like to believe my plan of battery > swaps should keep me in business for another year or so, maybe more. Glad to hear that the second battery is useful for others. Another factor to the whole battery issue is the do I sleep the PB or turn it off when not in use debate as well as the issue of when and how one uses the mains power to charge... I tend to sleep the PB's and only boot when updates require them and I can't be bothered to run Pacifist to avoid this (usually when I'm not suffering from Uptimephobia) and only connect to mains power when I have run down to teens or lower battery percent and then disconnect once recharged... Having a second battery is a lifesaver when you can't sleep on flights and are watching a good movie or listening to some good tunes. Cheers, Richard -- From zifnab at mac.com Wed Jun 29 13:43:49 2005 From: zifnab at mac.com (@leX) Date: Wed Jun 29 13:43:51 2005 Subject: [PB] What the... !!!!! In-Reply-To: <19c184a25f7f252b6fe9873829545384@mac.com> References: <3060c23905062912381920b5a1@mail.gmail.com> <19c184a25f7f252b6fe9873829545384@mac.com> Message-ID: <1f5c65216961135191b4d76a2401e798@mac.com> Ha Got caught out! Should have look it up first before I posted, 99% that its a hoax. Sucks to be me right now LOL Alex On 29 Jun 2005, at 21:19, @leX wrote: > At least as pb users we don't have to put up with this kind of > thing!!!!! > > http://c0x2.de/lol/lol.html > > or do we? > > man that is scary....... > > Alex From ecrist at secure-computing.net Wed Jun 29 14:04:06 2005 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Wed Jun 29 14:04:18 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: References: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> Message-ID: <1FFE5174-AE5A-4839-BF5D-B9CE3BB19614@secure-computing.net> On Jun 29, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Murray Kastner wrote: > Okay, let's 'prime the pump' as it were. To do that I throw out a > question, general in nature. but well-suited to plumb the latent > strength of this new list. It is: > > How long does the battery in your PB last? And which PB do you > have? And, lastly, I would like to know if there is any advantage > to buying an extra battery and alternating them? > > Like many of you, I have my own estimate but it will be interesting > to get the feedback. And if you want to kick-start this list, throw > out some grist for the mill! > > Murray [extra crap deleted] Hello, I've been on this list since September of 2004, and I have a total of 40 messages. That's all time. Heh. Anyway, I have Powerbook G4 12", which, when using wireless with Safari, or wireless and iTunes (AirTunes), I can get about 4.5 hours from a fully charged battery. That's now. My battery capacity does not seem to have decreased since I purchased this Powerbook back in September. I, personally, see no point in buying another battery, unless you use yours up on a consistent basis. HTH _______________________________________________________ Eric F Crist "I am so smart, S.M.R.T!" Secure Computing Networks -Homer J Simpson From brian4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 29 15:08:23 2005 From: brian4 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Olesky) Date: Wed Jun 29 15:09:42 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/29/05 2:16 PM, "Richard McKay" wrote: > When I upgraded from Panther to Tiger I now seem to have to join my own open > Airport network every time I wake the Book from sleep or restart! What makes > this all the more annoying is that my wifes PB seems to have the network in > its 'trusted' networks list and automatically joins it...(we did a wipe and > clean install for hers though). > > Any thoughts on why or better yet how to let my AEBS join the trusted list > are appreciated... > > Cheers from a unusually sunny Wales, Funny, the same thing happened to me when I upgraded to Tiger. I just thought it was a coincidence, having to rejoin my own network every time the 'Book woke up. Cheers from the usually excruciatingly hot Houston, Texas Brian From jonarmpit at mac.com Wed Jun 29 15:25:18 2005 From: jonarmpit at mac.com (jonarmpit@mac.com) Date: Wed Jun 29 15:25:24 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just recently stumbled across some options that I don't recall using before and they seem to help me re-connect to known networks. Under network preferences, at the bottom of the Airport preferences panel there is an 'Options...' button (right next to the checkbox to 'Show AirPort status in menu bar'. This drops down a preferences sheet that has a few options that seemed to help me. First the drop down list at the top of this sheet allows you to 'Keep looking for recent networks' if no recent networks are found, and second there is a checkbox to 'Remember any network this computer has joined'. jon On Jun 29, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Brian Olesky wrote: > On 6/29/05 2:16 PM, "Richard McKay" wrote: > > >> When I upgraded from Panther to Tiger I now seem to have to join >> my own open >> Airport network every time I wake the Book from sleep or restart! >> What makes >> this all the more annoying is that my wifes PB seems to have the >> network in >> its 'trusted' networks list and automatically joins it...(we did a >> wipe and >> clean install for hers though). >> >> Any thoughts on why or better yet how to let my AEBS join the >> trusted list >> are appreciated... >> >> Cheers from a unusually sunny Wales, >> > > Funny, the same thing happened to me when I upgraded to Tiger. I just > thought it was a coincidence, having to rejoin my own network every > time the > 'Book woke up. > > Cheers from the usually excruciatingly hot Houston, Texas > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > PowerBook mailing list > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From sequethin at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 15:26:40 2005 From: sequethin at gmail.com (Mike Hernandez) Date: Wed Jun 29 15:26:42 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: References: <3060c23905062912323d32be79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3060c239050629152656c1fc51@mail.gmail.com> On 6/29/05, Richard McKay wrote: > When you say you calibrated your battery what do you mean? I haven't seen > any tool for this (GUI anyway) and would be interested. Curious why you > wouldn't be using the wireless connection to be online though...one of the > best reasons to have a Book instead of a laptop IMO. > As I mentioned in another post, this is my first pb and I haven't had any other experience with pb's to go on. This fact lead to a pleasant surprise when my keyboard lit up the first time. I thought I had pressed a button by accident and tried a million ways to make it light up again (it went out immediately after). After a brief period of panic I consulted my user manual and was enlightened - no pun intended - the keyboard lights up in low light conditions! How convenient :) While flipping through the manual I found the page on battery calibration which told me to use the pb until the battery ran out and the book went to sleep, then charge the battery to full. As for not using wireless, at home I do use it when I don't feel like sitting at my desktop (a dell running linux from scratch). At work I have a switch right next to my desk so I just plug in. I've found that although wireless is great at times, wired networking is just more reliable and uses less battery. Mike From ecrist at secure-computing.net Wed Jun 29 16:00:56 2005 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Wed Jun 29 16:01:10 2005 Subject: [PB] The little network plug snap things... Message-ID: <7086861B-A697-463D-8D79-46F7E5E7653A@secure-computing.net> Hello list! I'm glad to finally see some activity. The PowerBook folder in Mail is not very active, so it was a pleasant surprise to see activity after these many months. Here's a question for the list. I have a 12" Powerbook G4. This is the previous generation to the current one, meaning I don't have SMS, and things like that. The other day, my Powerbook was plugged into my network switch and sitting all peaceful-like on my coffee table. Then, low-and-behold, I tripped over the network cable. It popped right out! Only later did I realize that the two corners that hold the clip back on the RJ-45 connector had broken off: :::::::::: :::: :::: : : = Good Connector! :||||||||: :::::::::: :::::::::: :::/ \::: : : = AHHH! (Broken, sad connector) :||||||||: :::::::::: Now, I've noticed Dell, and others now make these clips out of metal. This means that when my drunk, erm clumsy, self trips over the network cable, it doesn't break. If this were the RJ-11 jack, no problem, as I could simply replace it. The RJ-11 jack is not part of the main logic board on these macs. HOWEVER, the RJ-45 jack IS a part of the main logic board, so it's not so simple to replace. To my point: Is there a 'fix' for this problem? I'm thinking perhaps a metal or plastic insert to replace the missing corners Thanks, in advance, for all of your input. _______________________________________________________ Eric F Crist "I am so smart, S.M.R.T!" Secure Computing Networks -Homer J Simpson From fearsome.orange at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 16:09:38 2005 From: fearsome.orange at gmail.com (Jean-Paul Thuot) Date: Wed Jun 29 16:09:41 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: <3060c239050629152656c1fc51@mail.gmail.com> References: <3060c23905062912323d32be79@mail.gmail.com> <3060c239050629152656c1fc51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44eba12905062916091ad1a42f@mail.gmail.com> I bought my PB second hand from a friend. It is about 1.5 years old now (I think, any way for me to tell exactly?). The battery gets about 2 hours from a full charge. I think he used his battery fairly extensively, and I can see that getting a new battery in the future is a likelihood for me. Which PBs have keyboards that light up? I've never seen mine light up, so I'm assuming it's not this one. It's a FireWire 800 1Ghz Al. Jean-Paul > As I mentioned in another post, this is my first pb and I haven't had > any other experience with pb's to go on. This fact lead to a pleasant > surprise when my keyboard lit up the first time. I thought I had > pressed a button by accident and tried a million ways to make it light > up again (it went out immediately after). After a brief period of > panic I consulted my user manual and was enlightened - no pun intended > - the keyboard lights up in low light conditions! How convenient :) > While flipping through the manual I found the page on battery > calibration which told me to use the pb until the battery ran out and > the book went to sleep, then charge the battery to full. From brian4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 29 20:09:17 2005 From: brian4 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Olesky) Date: Wed Jun 29 20:09:23 2005 Subject: [PB] Test In-Reply-To: <0c10160162ee34f1f5153f48e1c511ea@mac.com> Message-ID: I must admit, this thread surprises me. I was a long time member of the iBook list, and then when I got a new PB last September, I also joined the TiBook list, The Power Book list, the Home Mac list and the MacDV list. After a while, I gave up on the Ti list out of boredom and went full time to the PowerBook list which was extremely active. I hadn't noticed a drop off in activity on it, but I don't really pay much attention as to whether my posts come from the iBook, MacDV or PowerBook list (though it's often obvious.) Anyway, I'm surprised to hear so many people say this is a dead list because my perception was that it was pretty active, as in a dozen or so posts a day, at least. Guess I just haven't been paying attention. Brian Olesky, no relation to Brian Pearce (is that thread on this list?) On 6/29/05 4:32 AM, "@leX" wrote: > Hi All > > I joined this group recently, and have been a member of the Ti list for > ages > The Ti list is an active and interesting list with members such as > Steve Wozniak. (;-) cool or what!) > Several times members have said that the discussions on the Ti list go > WAY off topic (ie// Ti PowerBooks) and they do! > Al laptops, intel laptops, software problems, Steve Jobs and his > keynotes.... you get the idea. > > There was a lot of chat about changing the name of that list to reflect > the diversity of powerbook chatter on it > How ever Eric (the Listmom) decided, in his infinite wisdom, that the > list stays as the Ti list and for general powerbook chatter this list > was born. > That is a very reasonable decision, in my book, and I went and joined > the powerbook list. > Little did I expect.......... SILENCE! > > OK I got the , you have been subscribed, email so I know the list is > active. Maybe everyone is asleep? > So I am a patient chap, I wait for the alarm bell to ring. 10 days... > no posts 20 days... no posts. Geesh where is everyone? > 28 days and WOW A POST > > BTW Hi Pete :-) > > and 4 replys !!!!! hi Jean-Paul, Kevin, Joao and Eric, wave :-). > > What's it about? > Oh! laugh a minute, have I been too patient.... 6 lurkers and no > posts, finally someone asks what the F**k! > Good on you Pete > > I am guessing that the simple answer to your simple question, why no > mail? > is that a very large number of the people that are enthusiastically > talking about general powerbook stuff are already doing so on the Ti > list. > Many of them have Ti's as well as Al's or G3's (me to) and it seems a > natural extension to chat about them. > > So what is the answer? I must say that I am not sure. > We could ditch this list and join the Ti list for the general powerbook > chatter we are after, this list would most likely die and thats that. > We could also chat away as we like and have fun here, it is kind of > cool to be in on the start of a new list. We get to ask the question we > want, chat about stuff we like, and the more we do it the more likely > we all again, and of corse the list might even grow. > > I'm in for making this list kick off, all who what this to chime in and > let each other know, and lets start posting general power book stuff. > Questions, interesting facts or fiction, good urls to read and chat > about, general moans or glee about laptops.... anything goes its our > list!!!!!!! > > Guys let lurk no longer ;-) > > Alex > > > > On 28 Jun 2005, at 23:28, Pete Zimowski wrote: > >> Sorry. Have subscribed and not received any mail. >> >> Pete >> _______________________________________________ >> PowerBook mailing list >> PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > _______________________________________________ > PowerBook mailing list > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From richard.mckay1 at virgin.net Thu Jun 30 00:13:03 2005 From: richard.mckay1 at virgin.net (Richard McKay) Date: Thu Jun 30 00:13:08 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: <44eba12905062916091ad1a42f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 30/6/05 00:09, "Jean-Paul Thuot" wrote: > I bought my PB second hand from a friend. It is about 1.5 years old > now (I think, any way for me to tell exactly?). The battery gets > about 2 hours from a full charge. I think he used his battery fairly > extensively, and I can see that getting a new battery in the future is > a likelihood for me. > > Which PBs have keyboards that light up? I've never seen mine light > up, so I'm assuming it's not this one. It's a FireWire 800 1Ghz Al. The first one was the 17" PB introduced Jan. 2003 and since then all 17" models have it and increasingly the 15" models (at first only higher spec 15's and now only the 12" models are not illuminated...yet). You can check yours by looking at the keys for F8-F10 as these show the icons for either turning it off F8, reducing it F9, or increasing the brightness F10, as well as the options available under Keyboard & Mouse in Sys Prefs. (at least in Tiger). HTH, Richard -- From vdub.grego at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 06:20:33 2005 From: vdub.grego at gmail.com (Matt Gregory) Date: Thu Jun 30 06:20:36 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: References: <44eba12905062916091ad1a42f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <91a70480050630062051750cf@mail.gmail.com> To go off on a slight tangent ... what is the consensus on battery usage habits? I tend to plug mine in if it's convenient (i.e. i'm at the desk and the plug is right there anyway). It's a 15" 1.67Ghz. I rarely use it for the time it takes to run the battery down fully, although I did that when it was new for the battery calibration. If I was forced to make a guess, I'd say it's pretty close to 50/50 battery/plugged-in. This is pretty much the behavior I've used with all my Li-ion rechargeable devices and haven't had any problems other than with my POS HP laptop, which was what the PB replaced. matt. On 6/30/05, Richard McKay wrote: > > On 30/6/05 00:09, "Jean-Paul Thuot" wrote: > > > I bought my PB second hand from a friend. It is about 1.5 years old > > now (I think, any way for me to tell exactly?). The battery gets > > about 2 hours from a full charge. I think he used his battery fairly > > extensively, and I can see that getting a new battery in the future is > > a likelihood for me. > > > > Which PBs have keyboards that light up? I've never seen mine light > > up, so I'm assuming it's not this one. It's a FireWire 800 1Ghz Al. > > The first one was the 17" PB introduced Jan. 2003 and since then all 17" > models have it and increasingly the 15" models (at first only higher spec > 15's and now only the 12" models are not illuminated...yet). > > You can check yours by looking at the keys for F8-F10 as these show the > icons for either turning it off F8, reducing it F9, or increasing the > brightness F10, as well as the options available under Keyboard & Mouse in > Sys Prefs. (at least in Tiger). > > HTH, > > Richard > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > PowerBook mailing list > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/powerbook/attachments/20050630/6eea62d5/attachment.html From fearsome.orange at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 06:53:16 2005 From: fearsome.orange at gmail.com (Jean-Paul Thuot) Date: Thu Jun 30 06:53:18 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: <91a70480050630062051750cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <44eba12905062916091ad1a42f@mail.gmail.com> <91a70480050630062051750cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44eba12905063006533167d85c@mail.gmail.com> I take mine to school with me, and generally use it on and off the plug while there, depending on where I am. It's always plugged in at home unless I'm sitting in the living room with my wife as we tap away side by side (she's got an iBook). So yeah, about 50/50 I'd say. Jean-Paul On 6/30/05, Matt Gregory wrote: > To go off on a slight tangent ... what is the consensus on battery usage > habits? I tend to plug mine in if it's convenient (i.e. i'm at the desk and > the plug is right there anyway). It's a 15" 1.67Ghz. I rarely use it for > the time it takes to run the battery down fully, although I did that when it > was new for the battery calibration. If I was forced to make a guess, I'd > say it's pretty close to 50/50 battery/plugged-in. This is pretty much the > behavior I've used with all my Li-ion rechargeable devices and haven't had > any problems other than with my POS HP laptop, which was what the PB > replaced. > > matt. > > > On 6/30/05, Richard McKay wrote: > > On 30/6/05 00:09, "Jean-Paul Thuot" wrote: > > > > > I bought my PB second hand from a friend. It is about 1.5 years old > > > now (I think, any way for me to tell exactly?). The battery gets > > > about 2 hours from a full charge. I think he used his battery fairly > > > extensively, and I can see that getting a new battery in the future is > > > a likelihood for me. > > > > > > Which PBs have keyboards that light up? I've never seen mine light > > > up, so I'm assuming it's not this one. It's a FireWire 800 1Ghz Al. > > > > The first one was the 17" PB introduced Jan. 2003 and since then all 17" > > models have it and increasingly the 15" models (at first only higher spec > > 15's and now only the 12" models are not illuminated...yet). > > > > You can check yours by looking at the keys for F8-F10 as these show the > > icons for either turning it off F8, reducing it F9, or increasing the > > brightness F10, as well as the options available under Keyboard & Mouse in > > Sys Prefs. (at least in Tiger). > > > > HTH, > > > > Richard > > -- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PowerBook mailing list > > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PowerBook mailing list > PowerBook@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/powerbook > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > From sequethin at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 08:02:19 2005 From: sequethin at gmail.com (Mike Hernandez) Date: Thu Jun 30 08:02:22 2005 Subject: [PB] Battery endurance (was: Test) In-Reply-To: <44eba12905063006533167d85c@mail.gmail.com> References: <44eba12905062916091ad1a42f@mail.gmail.com> <91a70480050630062051750cf@mail.gmail.com> <44eba12905063006533167d85c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3060c23905063008025c2a0edd@mail.gmail.com> On 6/30/05, Jean-Paul Thuot wrote: > So yeah, about 50/50 I'd say. I'd say about 50/50 here too. Mike From brian4 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 30 09:37:44 2005 From: brian4 at sbcglobal.net (Brian Olesky) Date: Thu Jun 30 09:37:49 2005 Subject: [PB] Test (PB list vs PowerList) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/29/05 10:09 PM, "Brian Olesky" wrote: > I must admit, this thread surprises me. I was a long time member of the > iBook list, and then when I got a new PB last September, I also joined the > TiBook list, The Power Book list, the Home Mac list and the MacDV list. > After a while, I gave up on the Ti list out of boredom and went full time to > the PowerBook list which was extremely active. I hadn't noticed a drop off > in activity on it, but I don't really pay much attention as to whether my > posts come from the iBook, MacDV or PowerBook list (though it's often > obvious.) Anyway, I'm surprised to hear so many people say this is a dead > list because my perception was that it was pretty active, as in a dozen or > so posts a day, at least. Guess I just haven't been paying attention. > > Brian Olesky, no relation to Brian Pearce > >> Hi All >> >> I joined this group recently, and have been a member of the Ti list for >> ages >> The Ti list is an active and interesting list with members such as >> Steve Wozniak. (;-) cool or what!) (snip ) >> That is a very reasonable decision, in my book, and I went and joined >> the powerbook list. >> Little did I expect.......... SILENCE! >> Oops, my bad. I couldn't believe you all were saying this was a silent list when I thought it was the busiest list I'm on (see my post above.) So I went into my files and discovered--I'm actually on two PowerBook lists, and the one that's really busy is something called Powerlist@sparky.listmoms.net. If you want more activity, you might try that one. Brian From benaccetto at mac.com Thu Jun 30 18:32:26 2005 From: benaccetto at mac.com (benaccetto@mac.com) Date: Thu Jun 30 18:32:32 2005 Subject: [PB] Just a generic OS dislike In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F1449C1-77C8-427C-A5D5-57ED74B82940@mac.com> Just to be nitpicky ... this is not an OS issue, it is a programming issue. There are times when programmers take shortcuts or do not follow the guidelines that OS manufacturers suggest. That is when things like non-resizable windows occur. There is very little that you can do other than complain to each company (or programmer) who breaks these rules, or simply not purchase their software. On Jun 29, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Scott Warren wrote: > 1 thing I have always found annoying about every OS (windoze, Gui > *nix, even our beloved OS X) I have encountered is there are still > some programs that have windows that you can not resize. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/powerbook/attachments/20050630/4bb2901e/attachment-0001.html From ecrist at secure-computing.net Thu Jun 30 19:32:46 2005 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Thu Jun 30 19:33:01 2005 Subject: [PB] Since we're already OT... (Loading OS X on G3) Message-ID: Hello List, I just acquired an iMac DV with a 500 MHz G3, 256MB ram, and a 30GB HD. I'm trying to install Mac OS 10.4, but the system keeps failing about 95% of the way through. I have the software restore disks that were original with the system and I have fully restored the original software. From the web pages I've browsed, I need to update from 9.0.4 to 9.1 and then upgrade to the 5.4.1 firmware version. All of these items seem to have completed successfully, but my OS 10.4 installation continues to fail. Anyone know what's up? _______________________________________________________ Eric F Crist "I am so smart, S.M.R.T!" Secure Computing Networks -Homer J Simpson