On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 02:43 pm, Mike Stanleys' comments included: > Of course it is relevant. Nobody buys a computer as simply a piece of > hardware - as if it were a couch or a coffee table. The software IS > important, ... > > Now if *none* of the computers being sold came with *any* software, > I'd almost be willing to buy your argument... Hi Mike Your point is taken and I agree that of course the OS is important to the purchasing user, this however is not the subject of my initial comment. I am looking at market share of manufactures, not the factors that drive the consumers buying decision, whatever they may be. Sure you can compare a company to the entire market in which it trades and that is a correct way of looking at a company's performance with respect to the market as a whole. If however you wish to see the company against its competitors it shows no useful information. Apple does not directly compete with over 32% of the Wintel market in the shape of 'white box' manufactures. Apple has never stacked high and sold cheap. In order to show how competitive Apple is in the Market place you also have to show how competitive its competitors are. Without seeing how well other companies in the market place themselves, then deciding how they are in competition, there is no basis for comparison. This is not a Wintel vs Mac Shoot out or an attempt to bolster the worth of Apple or Mac's. I am just showing that Apple is one of the top 10 biggest computer manufactures with many companies who produce far less computers per year. It would not matter what kind of computer they sold Wintel, Mac or Wonder Widget PC. Now do you get where I am coming from? Alex Mac'in Out :-)