On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Massimo Marino wrote: > > Henry, > > it is not that I do not see your point or do not agree in general but > the market share figure looks like it is a bit biased. For one thing it > is Apple vs all others. If we take Apple vs individual manufacturer > Apple is the third largest manufacturer AND it is the one best doing > financially. > Second: the market share takes into account the sale of software for > the platforms. The comparison there sometime amount to Windows vs Apple. > Hybrid CDs (presenting program valid for a Windows installation and a > Mac installation) count as Windows sale. > Internet presence: Mac amounts to some 11+% presence of existing > computers. From other reported figures (in this same list) Apple has > been recently the leader presence in the whole market if you split down > to the single manufacturer. > > Safari now reports 24% of the whole internet traffic. How 2.3% market > share computing platform could provide 24% of all internet traffic? > > It is known that the iMac has been the best PC selling so far (crude > sales) , the TiBook (I might be wrong) the best or next to the best. > > I have yet to find a single definition of this 2.3% market share > presence of Apple (it has been reported US presence is 3% now). > So until I get a crisp unambiguous definition of market share that does > not provides different numbers depending on who is doing the actual > computation I get all this business as the myth Apple bashers are > trying to spread: "Apple is about to close". Analysts report Apple > market share shrinking since 1984. If that was true Apple would have > been long gone. > > If a single user buys 3 PC in two years (likely to happens) that counts > as 3 PCs while instead on reality only one PC still runs. > Corporations change the entire base of PC by the wagon: nobody says > "well, OK, it is not that PC presence has EVER increased, you know!!!", > it counts as increased presence of PC in the market. Those PC end up > nonetheless into incinerator. > > The fact that even with all that, analysts say that market share has > increased from 2.3% to 3% in the US tells instead that some of those PC > users - actually a considerable part of PC users - is now adopting a > Mac. Maybe they are keeping the PC but out of those 3 PC they would > have bought, this time one is an Apple computer. This has never > happened before. I would not be surprised if this little figure of > market share will keep increasing even if pro-PC analysts will try to > do their best to prove the contrary. > > In the last 2 years I have seen with my eyeballs more Windows users > switch to the Mac than in all my professional life which has started in > 1988. > Actually, before these two years, I was the only one swticher (happened > in 1997) that I personally knew. > > This said I agree with you: Apple should prove Windows users that they > will not lose anything moving to the platform, actually they will gain. > I think slowly the message is being received. AMEN > > If by "using their own PC stuff JUST AS WELL" on the Mac you mean get a > Windows program installer and install it directly on the Mac, > presonally I do not see how this would ever be possible with the > current architecture. Will an IBM or AMD collaboration lead to that? > Doubt so. > How would that work? > > What I am seeing it instead as a realization of what you say is in the > Unix world. Today I was experience exactly that: we were doing some > prototyping on a Red Hat 7.x Linux machine with some C++ programs. I > had just to get the exact same source files, compile them on the OS X > and get the exact same results. This is why I see more and more Macs in > the scientific and academic community: they are just popping out as > mushrooms. Excellent example! Linux is expanding precisely because there's no need to invest in any new hardware! Now, I'm NOT a programmer - but I'm sure there are enough knowledgeable people at Apple to figure something out - either a Mac OS running on Wintels or a Mac capable of running Mac OS *and* Windoze and Linux, or a Mac OS capable of taking any current Windoze Application and running it in a Mac environment...Can't be done, you say? Well - Jules Verne envisioned a flight to the moon, wireless and tons of other stuff without necessarily having the engineering details outlined. Sure it would be radical, with great implications! But I hope the one thing that would happen is that Apple would thrive. > > I think Apple is doing what you suggest: run on the Mac the same > applications others are running on the PC. And Apple did whatever it > took to do that: it killed Mac OS. OS X is not an evolution of the Mac: > it is Unix. > Now, I do not think we could expect to have Apple run Windows as well > ;-) > > Cheers > > Massimo Best, Henry