Dr. Trevor J. Hutley paused, thought it over, and spoke thusly: >At 18:20 -0400 8/6/04, b wrote: >>It's pretty much up to the users to optimize their drives from time-to-time. > >and the best way to do that is ........ > >Trevor Hi Trevor, As much as I don't want Norton on my Mac, I use their Speed Disk. It only involves two files: The actual Speed Disk utility (app), and a small 'Shared Library'. Perfectly harmless. The importance of keeping 20% of one's drive 'clean', or 'free', can't be stressed enough. Speed Disk isn't the only Defragmenting software out there. Plus Optimizer (from Alsoft, the DiskWarrior people), also does a great job. It's a simple but lengthy process. None of the defraggers can be run from the startup drive, so either a partition, a bootable second drive, or a bootable CD with either Speed Disk or Plus Optimizer, is required. I run Speed Disk once a month, usually leaving it to do its thing while I sleep. When I feel like really doing the job properly I will run Apple's Disk Utility on the target drive, then run DiskWarrior to optimize the Directory, then run Norton Speed Disk. And if I want the silver merit badge, I'll run DW one more time after Speed Disk. The fellow that wrote in re: programmers not paying attention to optimizing and resources has a point, up to a point. The problem is: None of the operating systems has given applications direct access to resources (especially hardware) since Windows 98. (That's why people like PC 'Gamers', and companies like the one I work for, which needs privacy, lots of scanning, OCR, and inter-office networking, plus heavy - i.e. 'classified-level' - security) use 98, even though we could afford newer ('better') operating systems. Meanwhile, back 'on topic'. If you want to, or can, try out Speed Disk, let me know. I can send it to you. I run it from an OS 9 partition on my PowerBook, but I do have OSX versions, as well. ~flipper