From fearsome.orange at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 22:34:26 2007 From: fearsome.orange at gmail.com (Jean-Paul Thuot) Date: Fri Jan 5 22:34:29 2007 Subject: [Ti] PBook making strange noise Message-ID: <44eba1290701052234w5045759ex70bfe86f1624195f@mail.gmail.com> Hello list, I have a 1Ghz PBook, updated to 10.4.8, 768mb RAM. Recently, I've begun noticing a very quite noise, like a small beeping or something, coming from inside. What it sounds like to me is that something is processing (a sound like tiny gears running, I know that sounds silly), followed by a small beep. I only really hear it when I put my ear to the keyboard, but it's noticeable and I'm hoping it doesn't mean something is about to fail on me. I have SpeedTools, and have run all the tests offered and everything comes up fine. Can anyone suggest anything else I might do? Thanks in advance, Jean-Paul From jerry at ieee.org Sun Jan 7 19:06:50 2007 From: jerry at ieee.org (Jerry Krinock) Date: Sun Jan 7 19:07:04 2007 Subject: [Ti] PBook making strange noise In-Reply-To: <44eba1290701052234w5045759ex70bfe86f1624195f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: on 07/01/05 22:34, Jean-Paul Thuot at fearsome.orange@gmail.com wrote: > I have a 1Ghz PBook, updated to 10.4.8, 768mb RAM. Recently, I've > begun noticing a very quite noise, like a small beeping or something, > coming from inside. What it sounds like to me is that something is > processing (a sound like tiny gears running, I know that sounds > silly), followed by a small beep. > > I only really hear it when I put my ear to the keyboard, but it's > noticeable and I'm hoping it doesn't mean something is about to fail > on me. Maybe it's nothing, but computers have only two moving parts that could make unprogrammed noise: fans and hard drives. > Can anyone suggest anything else I might do? Every time you notice it, take it as a reminder to make sure you're doing regular backups. From jwegriffin at mac.com Mon Jan 8 08:04:36 2007 From: jwegriffin at mac.com (John Griffin) Date: Mon Jan 8 08:05:01 2007 Subject: [Ti] PBook making strange noise In-Reply-To: <44eba1290701052234w5045759ex70bfe86f1624195f@mail.gmail.com> References: <44eba1290701052234w5045759ex70bfe86f1624195f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Back last Spring there was a thread about beeps coming from inside the computer. At the time the consensus was that it was a signal that RAM was defective, coming loose or put in wrong. However, this would happen at startup, not while you are using the computer. And it would usually be three beeps, not just one. That being said, Apple does seem to have an audible signalling system for reporting faults. To relieve your mind you could run the Hardware Test that comes with your System Installer Disk 1 to see if you are having a RAM problem or some other hardware problem. jg On 6-Jan-07, at 1:34 AM, Jean-Paul Thuot wrote: > I have a 1Ghz PBook, updated to 10.4.8, 768mb RAM. Recently, I've > begun noticing a very quite noise, like a small beeping or something, > coming from inside. What it sounds like to me is that something is > processing (a sound like tiny gears running, I know that sounds > silly), followed by a small beep. From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Mon Jan 8 08:21:17 2007 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Mon Jan 8 08:22:16 2007 Subject: [Ti] PBook making strange noise In-Reply-To: <44eba1290701052234w5045759ex70bfe86f1624195f@mail.gmail.com> References: <44eba1290701052234w5045759ex70bfe86f1624195f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6 Jan 2007, at 07:34, Jean-Paul Thuot wrote: > I have a 1Ghz PBook, updated to 10.4.8, 768mb RAM. Recently, I've > begun noticing a very quite noise, like a small beeping or something, > coming from inside. What it sounds like to me is that something is > processing (a sound like tiny gears running, I know that sounds > silly), followed by a small beep. Jean-Paul - I think (what else can I say) that it might just be the disk, behaving normally. Maybe you have changed your work pattern? My Seagate internal disk is very quiet, but when it is very active (eg P2P downloading from multiple sources to multiple folders, as it often is these days), it makes a very quiet noise that does sound like tiny gears running [I liked your description]. My external [BACKUP] disks do occasionally make small noises that my wife describes as birds cheeping. She often asks what it is. I view it as "normal" in that it has been like that for ever. hth, Trevor 1.25 Al-book From jeanpaul at zhenwu.org Mon Jan 8 16:38:18 2007 From: jeanpaul at zhenwu.org (Jean-Paul Thuot) Date: Mon Jan 8 16:38:25 2007 Subject: [Ti] PBook making strange noise In-Reply-To: References: <44eba1290701052234w5045759ex70bfe86f1624195f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44eba1290701081638x5654e11dme1b74ebeadf0a1f@mail.gmail.com> > Jean-Paul - I think (what else can I say) that it might just be the > disk, behaving normally. Maybe you have changed your work pattern? > > My Seagate internal disk is very quiet, but when it is very active > (eg P2P downloading from multiple sources to multiple folders, as it > often is these days), it makes a very quiet noise that does sound > like tiny gears running [I liked your description]. > > My external [BACKUP] disks do occasionally make small noises that my > wife describes as birds cheeping. She often asks what it is. I view > it as "normal" in that it has been like that for ever. > > hth, Trevor > > 1.25 Al-book Thanks for all the feedback. I have backed up (always a good idea) and am trying not to be too concerned with it. It may be any number of things, including a touch of hypochondria on my part, so I will just continue on and deal with any breakdown as and if it occurs. Thanks again, Jean-Paul From ronparro at earthlink.net Mon Jan 8 22:44:44 2007 From: ronparro at earthlink.net (Ron 'Hollywood' Parro) Date: Mon Jan 8 22:44:57 2007 Subject: [Ti] External Drive Won't Recognize Message-ID: <25228b7e44330f4e5d2db87a77a63292@earthlink.net> Help! I recently had my hard drive upgraded to a larger size and told the people who did it to put the old drive in an external case so I could wipe it and use it for a backup. There was nothing wrong with it. I got a brand new external case with a FireWire cord and plugged it in to my PB G4 and it recognized once but now it won't. I have tried everything I know but my expertise is in old-school Mac and I can't think of anything else to try with OS X 10.3.9 The people who did the work were a reputable Mac store. I let them do it for convenience only and they are a difficult distance away. Before I ship everything back to them are there any suggestions of stuff I could try to get this FireWire drive to recognize. Ron 'Hollywood' Parro ;>{) ronparro@earthlink.net http://www.greality.com/Hollywood/ "Priests are no more necessary to religion that politicians to patriotism." ? John Haynes Holmes, American clergyman and reformer (1879 - 1964) From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Tue Jan 9 04:07:57 2007 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Tue Jan 9 04:08:19 2007 Subject: [Ti] External Drive Won't Recognize In-Reply-To: <25228b7e44330f4e5d2db87a77a63292@earthlink.net> References: <25228b7e44330f4e5d2db87a77a63292@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8C2B618F-BFCB-47A8-A23D-2FAD03F1154A@consultant.com> On 9 Jan 2007, at 07:44, Ron 'Hollywood' Parro wrote: > I recently had my hard drive upgraded to a larger size and told > the people who did it to put the old drive in an external case so I > could wipe it and use it for a backup. There was nothing wrong with > it. > I got a brand new external case with a FireWire cord and plugged > it in to my PB G4 and it recognized once but now it won't. I have > tried everything I know but my expertise is in old-school Mac and > I can't think of anything else to try with OS X 10.3.9 Ron - what I would do first is (1) restart in Safe Mode - holding down the Shift key during startup (2) when start up is complete, plug in the FW disk to the PB See if the disk is recognised by the Finder (appears on the desktop) Does Disk Utilities recognise the drive ? Do you have Disk Warrior or Drive Genius? I might also start the PB with the system disc, and open disk utility from that menu, and see if it recognises the FW disk. With answers on these attempts, we might be nearer to understanding what the problem is. regards, Trevor From frank.ettenberg at chello.at Tue Jan 9 04:24:45 2007 From: frank.ettenberg at chello.at (Frank Ettenberg) Date: Tue Jan 9 04:25:05 2007 Subject: [Ti] Cautionary Story Message-ID: <94F0FBF5-80B3-4112-842A-513DC5B6D6EF@chello.at> Hello List, Just wanted to relate that I am a Tit. g4 1.67ghz Powerbook owner. I bought it on ebay and the original 'owner' sold it 'as is', without the original OSX disks. In any event, I am also a self-taught Mac user, therefore VERY prone to making mistakes in using the pb & sussing out problems with this machine. The powebook seemed to be having problems-but not really very serious ones- in early Dec during startup and in using certain applications, so I heeded some advice given here, such as getting info via Terminal. I really didnt know what I was doing, so using a program like Terminal & AppleJack-for me- was a BIG mistake and perhaps led to the major system/hard disk malfunction that developed around Xmastime. I could no longer get anything but an incomprehensible error message out of AppleJack-doing a command-s at startup-and the startup never got any further than the whirling circle on the grey screen. I contacted a local technician and he said that the system malfunction was next to impossible for him to diagnose & he'd never before seen anything like it. A mac friend of mine said that a previous user of this pb might have processed movies or videos & that process tends to really upset formatting of info on the disk. The seller of this unit may or may not have done a clean install of the disk before selling it & the technician doubts that. At any rate, I appreciate the notion of info sharing, but, in effect, I as an amateur have little ability to understand what y'all are saying and recommending a large part of the time. Just a note for everyone--this game can be very expensive, of course, especially for ignoramuses like me. ( I paid the tech about 450 dollars to fix the problem--he recovered just about all my jpgs and other data, so at least I know I must regularly back everything up.) Anyhow, I now have a perfectly functioning pb since he formatted the disk-except that it slows down considerably when I've just started Limewire-and I have to replenish a lot of the software that was discarded in the clean/install that the tech wound up doing. From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Tue Jan 9 04:38:40 2007 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Tue Jan 9 04:38:51 2007 Subject: [Ti] Cautionary Story In-Reply-To: <94F0FBF5-80B3-4112-842A-513DC5B6D6EF@chello.at> References: <94F0FBF5-80B3-4112-842A-513DC5B6D6EF@chello.at> Message-ID: <5D7E92F6-9E50-43E4-882C-707D159D04EE@consultant.com> On 9 Jan 2007, at 13:24, Frank Ettenberg wrote: > Hello List, Just wanted to relate that I am a Tit. g4 1.67ghz > Powerbook owner. I bought it on ebay and the original 'owner' sold > it 'as is', without the original OSX disks. In any event, I am > also a self-taught Mac user, therefore VERY prone to making > mistakes in using the pb & sussing out problems with this machine. > The powebook seemed to be having problems-but not really very > serious ones- in early Dec during startup and in using certain > applications, so I heeded some advice given here, such as getting > info via Terminal. I really didnt know what I was doing, so using > a program like Terminal & AppleJack-for me- was a BIG mistake and > perhaps led to the major system/hard disk malfunction that > developed around Xmastime. I could no longer get anything but an > incomprehensible error message out of AppleJack-doing a command-s > at startup-and the startup never got any further than the whirling > circle on the grey screen. I contacted a local technician and he > said that the system malfunction was next to impossible for him to > diagnose & he'd never before seen anything like it. A mac friend > of mine said that a previous user of this pb might have processed > movies or videos & that process tends to really upset formatting of > info on the disk. The seller of this unit may or may not have done > a clean install of the disk before selling it & the technician > doubts that. At any rate, I appreciate the notion of info > sharing, but, in effect, I as an amateur have little ability to > understand what y'all are saying and recommending a large part of > the time. Just a note for everyone--this game can be very > expensive, of course, especially for ignoramuses like me. ( I > paid the tech about 450 dollars to fix the problem--he recovered > just about all my jpgs and other data, so at least I know I must > regularly back everything up.) Anyhow, I now have a perfectly > functioning pb since he formatted the disk-except that it slows > down considerably when I've just started Limewire-and I have to > replenish a lot of the software that was discarded in the clean/ > install that the tech wound up doing. Frank - probably most of us on the list are amateurs (i know some are not), but with experience, and we heave learnt lessons the hard way. I think the lesson from your story is "if you buy or get a Powerbook from somewhere else, reformat the disk and reinstall the latest OS, before you do anything else". That would not cost you more than $100, or zero if you had the OS disks already. regards, Trevor From jerry at ieee.org Tue Jan 9 07:32:10 2007 From: jerry at ieee.org (Jerry Krinock) Date: Tue Jan 9 07:32:23 2007 Subject: [Ti] External Drive Won't Recognize In-Reply-To: <25228b7e44330f4e5d2db87a77a63292@earthlink.net> Message-ID: on 07/01/08 22:44, Ron 'Hollywood' Parro at ronparro@earthlink.net wrote: > are there any suggestions of stuff I > could try to get this FireWire drive to recognize. Try the FireWire drive on another Mac, or vice versa. Sadly, firewire interface chips fail a lot. From Jerry.A.Obrecht at mdnt.com Tue Jan 9 09:07:46 2007 From: Jerry.A.Obrecht at mdnt.com (Obrecht, Jerry A) Date: Tue Jan 9 09:07:59 2007 Subject: [Ti] Processor Upgrade for 1GHz TiBook Message-ID: <462CA03DC33F324F9BBFBDBF112B479F8025FE@wdcxh01.mdnt.com> Hey all, Was wondering if anyone knows of a processor upgrade for the 1 GHz TiBook that is faster than DayStar's 1.33 GHz processor? Jerry From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Tue Jan 9 14:33:07 2007 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:33:17 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote Message-ID: Does anyone know if the Macworld keynote from 9AM Pacific has been posted anywhere yet ? I could not find it on the Apple site under QT, where it is normally posted.... Trevor From bblum at well.com Tue Jan 9 14:37:53 2007 From: bblum at well.com (Barton Blum) Date: Tue Jan 9 14:38:04 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the website said it would be up later today--it was a link under the iphone tab heck back later today to watch Apple CEO Steve Jobs kick-off Macworld Conference & Expo 2007 with a keynote address from San Francisco's Moscone West. On Jan 9, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: > > Does anyone know if the Macworld keynote from 9AM Pacific has been > posted anywhere yet ? I could not find it on the Apple site under QT, > where it is normally posted.... > > Trevor > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 898 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/titanium/attachments/20070109/c99b2de7/attachment.bin From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Tue Jan 9 15:01:10 2007 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Tue Jan 9 15:01:25 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> On 9 Jan 2007, at 23:37, Barton Blum wrote: > the website said it would be up later today--it was a link under > the iphone tab Barton - thanks. I should have seen it.... The URL is http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/ Trevor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/titanium/attachments/20070110/7492d7b5/attachment-0001.html From gaderson at mac.com Tue Jan 9 16:16:11 2007 From: gaderson at mac.com (Erik Gaderlund) Date: Tue Jan 9 16:30:06 2007 Subject: [Ti] PBook making strange noise In-Reply-To: References: <44eba1290701052234w5045759ex70bfe86f1624195f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 05:21 PM +0100 01/08/07, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: >On 6 Jan 2007, at 07:34, Jean-Paul Thuot wrote: > >>I have a 1Ghz PBook, updated to 10.4.8, 768mb RAM. Recently, I've >>begun noticing a very quite noise, like a small beeping or something, >>coming from inside. What it sounds like to me is that something is >>processing (a sound like tiny gears running, I know that sounds >>silly), followed by a small beep. > >Jean-Paul - I think (what else can I say) that it might just be the >disk, behaving normally. Maybe you have changed your work pattern? > >My Seagate internal disk is very quiet, but when it is very active >(eg P2P downloading from multiple sources to multiple folders, as it >often is these days), it makes a very quiet noise that does sound >like tiny gears running [I liked your description]. > >My external [BACKUP] disks do occasionally make small noises that my >wife describes as birds cheeping. She often asks what it is. I >view it as "normal" in that it has been like that for ever. It does seem that hardd rives do make noise (I remember finding a page on the IBM (now Hitachi) storage site that had MP3s of the various sounds of hard drives crashing). The description does sound like a sound that comes from the hard drive, have you checked the SMART status? Use the Disk Utility or other 3rd party utility. -- erik g gaderson@gmail.com From gaderson at mac.com Tue Jan 9 16:19:27 2007 From: gaderson at mac.com (Erik Gaderlund) Date: Tue Jan 9 16:30:09 2007 Subject: [Ti] Cautionary Story In-Reply-To: <5D7E92F6-9E50-43E4-882C-707D159D04EE@consultant.com> References: <94F0FBF5-80B3-4112-842A-513DC5B6D6EF@chello.at> <5D7E92F6-9E50-43E4-882C-707D159D04EE@consultant.com> Message-ID: At 01:38 PM +0100 01/09/07, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: >On 9 Jan 2007, at 13:24, Frank Ettenberg wrote: > >>Hello List, Just wanted to relate that I am a Tit. g4 1.67ghz >>Powerbook owner. I bought it on ebay and the original 'owner' sold >>it 'as is', without the original OSX disks. In any event, I am >>also a self-taught Mac user, therefore VERY prone to making >>mistakes in using the pb & sussing out problems with this machine. >>The powebook seemed to be having problems-but not really very >>serious ones- in early Dec during startup and in using certain >>applications, so I heeded some advice given here, such as getting >>info via Terminal. I really didnt know what I was doing, so using >>a program like Terminal & AppleJack-for me- was a BIG mistake and >>perhaps led to the major system/hard disk malfunction that >>developed around Xmastime. I could no longer get anything but an >>incomprehensible error message out of AppleJack-doing a command-s >>at startup-and the startup never got any further than the whirling >>circle on the grey screen. I contacted a local technician and he >>said that the system malfunction was next to impossible for him to >>diagnose & he'd never before seen anything like it. A mac friend >>of mine said that a previous user of this pb might have processed >>movies or videos & that process tends to really upset formatting of >>info on the disk. The seller of this unit may or may not have done >>a clean install of the disk before selling it & the technician >>doubts that. At any rate, I appreciate the notion of info >>sharing, but, in effect, I as an amateur have little ability to >>understand what y'all are saying and recommending a large part of >>the time. Just a note for everyone--this game can be very >>expensive, of course, especially for ignoramuses like me. ( I paid >>the tech about 450 dollars to fix the problem--he recovered just >>about all my jpgs and other data, so at least I know I must >>regularly back everything up.) Anyhow, I now have a perfectly >>functioning pb since he formatted the disk-except that it slows >>down considerably when I've just started Limewire-and I have to >>replenish a lot of the software that was discarded in the >>clean/install that the tech wound up doing. > >Frank - probably most of us on the list are amateurs (i know some >are not), but with experience, and we heave learnt lessons the hard >way. > >I think the lesson from your story is "if you buy or get a Powerbook >from somewhere else, reformat the disk and reinstall the latest OS, >before you do anything else". When formatting (also with a fresh drive) it is best practice to 'zero all data' which means the drive re-maps (aka avoids bad sectors). I've gotten a used PowerBook, and did that before installing the latest OS. You might even check on Apple's support site on formatting drives to get more background on all the options. -- erik g gaderson@gmail.com From jwegriffin at mac.com Tue Jan 9 19:46:47 2007 From: jwegriffin at mac.com (John Griffin) Date: Tue Jan 9 19:47:05 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> References: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> Message-ID: <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> Interesting that no computer products were shown. Just as interesting is that Apple is changing its name from Apple Computer to Apple Inc. Does anyone else see a trend here? I gaze into my crystal ball and I see Apple getting right out of the computer business, selling off the whole division and becoming a media company period. After all, it hasn't really been the most profitable part of the business for quite awhile. Perhaps Dell or HP might be interested...or IBM? jg On 9-Jan-07, at 6:01 PM, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: > > On 9 Jan 2007, at 23:37, Barton Blum wrote: > >> the website said it would be up later today--it was a link under >> the iphone tab > > Barton - thanks. I should have seen it.... > > The URL is http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/ > > Trevor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Why would any company (especially IBM, who just got out of the desktop/laptop Intel hardware business) want a premium price (relatively) Intel box business? Steve Jobs once said that Apple computers are great "because we make the whole widget." If that were no longer true, I would probably no longer be interested in them, and I suspect many others would have the same reaction. As a stockholder, I like the idea that Apple continues to create compelling products that drive more sales to their core line (iPod halo effect, anyone?). I don't think they will be in a rush to get out of the computer business that is right now growing faster than in almost any time in the history of the company. Just my $.02, Mel "Golf can best be defined as an endless series of tragedies obscured by the occasional miracle." ~ Anonymous On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:46 PM, John Griffin wrote: > Interesting that no computer products were shown. Just as > interesting is that Apple is changing its name from Apple Computer > to Apple Inc. > > Does anyone else see a trend here? > > I gaze into my crystal ball and I see Apple getting right out of > the computer business, selling off the whole division and becoming > a media company period. After all, it hasn't really been the most > profitable part of the business for quite awhile. Perhaps Dell or > HP might be interested...or IBM? > > jg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/titanium/attachments/20070109/ba1ac81b/attachment.html From tlmiller at mac.com Wed Jan 10 04:47:37 2007 From: tlmiller at mac.com (Tom Miller) Date: Wed Jan 10 04:47:45 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> References: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, January 09, 2007, at 10:47PM, "John Griffin" wrote: >Interesting that no computer products were shown. Just as interesting >is that Apple is changing its name from Apple Computer to Apple Inc. > >Does anyone else see a trend here? Jobs was on stage for over 2 hours -- an extra long keynote, I think. He barely mentioned the Mac, spent very had little time on iPod/iTunes so he could devote the appropriate time to the revolutionary iPhone. He did have to give a few minutes to AppleTV. I have to assume that there are software and hardware updates that will be announced after the iPhone excitement has been allowed to subside a little. A large capacity video iPod with some of the features of the iPhone would be nice -- not everyone has constant need of a cellphone and 4 & 8 gigs is not a lot. >I gaze into my crystal ball and I see Apple getting right out of the >computer business, selling off the whole division and becoming a >media company period. After all, it hasn't really been the most >profitable part of the business for quite awhile. Perhaps Dell or HP >might be interested...or IBM? To load the music into the iPhone, I assume you will still need a computer. Tom Miller From mburke6225 at aol.com Wed Jan 10 05:40:41 2007 From: mburke6225 at aol.com (mburke6225@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 10 05:40:56 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> Message-ID: <8C902D40E0E16F9-13C-B557@FWM-M08.sysops.aol.com> The trend is one that started over ten years ago and is slowly coming to fruition. Computers, media players (television, radio, music. photos, film, video), graphics design, publsihing and telecommunications are merging - across both technical and economic models. Embracing the whole of this reality by calling Apple Computers, Inc. Apple, Inc. should be no surprise to anyone except for the Beatles who lost their last lawsuit filed in England against Apple Computers last year effectively clearing the way for the name change which they probably wanted to do years ago when the iPod was first introduced. It is smart marketing. Period. Say what you want about Jobs, but no one can argue with the fact that he is a top of the line marketing professional. After yesterday's announcement Apple stock hit its all time high. Mac sales are up, the Mac OS X is the system for the iPhone, Mac Books and desktops are cross platform, and Apple announce Apple TV just as Apple gets in bed with AT&T at a time AT&T is coming on strong on the delivery end of communications to the end user. Smart. damn smart. The best long term protection for the Mac platform is this kind on integration. On Tuesday, January 09, 2007, at 10:47PM, "John Griffin" wrote: >Interesting that no computer products were shown. Just as interesting >is that Apple is changing its name from Apple Computer to Apple Inc. > >Does anyone else see a trend here? Jobs was on stage for over 2 hours -- an extra long keynote, I think. He barely mentioned the Mac, spent very had little time on iPod/iTunes so he could devote the appropriate time to the revolutionary iPhone. He did have to give a few minutes to AppleTV. I have to assume that there are software and hardware updates that will be announced after the iPhone excitement has been allowed to subside a little. A large capacity video iPod with some of the features of the iPhone would be nice -- not everyone has constant need of a cellphone and 4 & 8 gigs is not a lot. >I gaze into my crystal ball and I see Apple getting right out of the >computer business, selling off the whole division and becoming a >media company period. After all, it hasn't really been the most >profitable part of the business for quite awhile. Perhaps Dell or HP >might be interested...or IBM? To load the music into the iPhone, I assume you will still need a computer. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Wed Jan 10 05:53:51 2007 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Wed Jan 10 05:54:34 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> Message-ID: On 10 Jan 2007, at 13:47, Tom Miller wrote: > so he could devote the appropriate time to the revolutionary iPhone. > > I have to assume that there are software and hardware updates that > will be announced after the iPhone excitement has been allowed to > subside a little. Tom - I also think that it is pretty likely that computer (hardware and software) announcements will come later, to maintain the wave created by the iPhone introduction. 10.4.9 is in the pipeline, so we hear. We know 10.5 is coming. - I was surprised that no mention was made, as far as I recall, of any VoIP capability for the iPhone. Will Skype work ? Skype to Skype? How about iChat ? Instant messaging over the internet rather than SMS over the paid network? The demo of SMS seemed to have the same syntax/GUI as the messaging in iChat. - since CISCO launched THEIR iPhone some weeks ago - and seem to have rights to the name - I was indeed surprised to find that Apple have a product with the name iPhone. Do they have a name-sharing agreement, or what ? Maybe some of the legal guys on the list have a view? I must say I was very impressed (otherwise) with the iPhone. i think their statement of reinventing the phone is very apt. Even the very best current phone fades in to insignificance. I just wish it was going to be available in Europe a bit sooner than the end of the year. I shall just have to keep my 6130i limping along until then... regards, Trevor From kalirhe at umdnj.edu Wed Jan 10 06:10:01 2007 From: kalirhe at umdnj.edu (Henry Kalir) Date: Wed Jan 10 06:12:23 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote Message-ID: <66613e665fe1.665fe166613e@umdnj.edu> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Trevor J. Hutley" Date: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:53 am Subject: Re: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote > > On 10 Jan 2007, at 13:47, Tom Miller wrote: > > > so he could devote the appropriate time to the revolutionary iPhone. > > Sorry to sound so ignorant, but what is it exactly that the iPhone would do, WHO would provide the service and at WHAT cost ? Best, Henry From rob.morris at earthlink.net Wed Jan 10 06:36:14 2007 From: rob.morris at earthlink.net (rob morris) Date: Wed Jan 10 06:37:06 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> Message-ID: From: John Griffin Subject: Re: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote Interesting that no computer products were shown. Just as interesting is that Apple is changing its name from Apple Computer to Apple Inc. Does anyone else see a trend here? I gaze into my crystal ball and I see Apple getting right out of the computer business, selling off the whole division and becoming a media company period. After all, it hasn't really been the most profitable part of the business for quite awhile. Perhaps Dell or HP might be interested...or IBM? I do not see Apple getting out of their core computer business. It has led to an enormous amount of cash in the bank, iPod sales are just a small percentage of Apple?s total sales and profits, the computer market share is growing, even Jobs mentioned that close to half of the folks buying macs now, in apple stores, are new users, etc etc etc. The airport base was updated, although not mentioned in the keynote, and I believe that there will be many more new announcements coming soon. I am not sure why anyone would think that apple would sell off their computer business...the name change is or reflect the broader scope of Apple?s business, all of which compliment each other. The iTV, although not a direct computer product, is all about connecting your TV to your computer...so why would Apple even consider selling off the other half of this equation? Good year ahead. Good moves by Apple. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From wolfson at wayne.edu Wed Jan 10 07:56:19 2007 From: wolfson at wayne.edu (Seymour Wolfson) Date: Wed Jan 10 07:56:37 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> Message-ID: <86a64030594b7f7e19a4c29d27d36340@wayne.edu> > > Tom - I also think that it is pretty likely that computer (hardware > and software) announcements will come later, to maintain the wave > created by the iPhone introduction. > 10.4.9 is in the pipeline, so we hear. We know 10.5 is coming. > > - I was surprised that no mention was made, as far as I recall, of any > VoIP capability for the iPhone. Will Skype work ? Skype to Skype? > How about iChat ? Instant messaging over the internet rather than > SMS over the paid network? The demo of SMS seemed to have the same > syntax/GUI as the messaging in iChat. > > - since CISCO launched THEIR iPhone some weeks ago - and seem to have > rights to the name - I was indeed surprised to find that Apple have a > product with the name iPhone. > Do they have a name-sharing agreement, or what ? Maybe some of the > legal guys on the list have a view? > > I must say I was very impressed (otherwise) with the iPhone. i think > their statement of reinventing the phone is very apt. Even the very > best current phone fades in to insignificance. > I just wish it was going to be available in Europe a bit sooner than > the end of the year. I shall just have to keep my 6130i limping along > until then... > > regards, Trevor > ======================== I was very disappointed with the keynote. He blew off any discussion of new hardware or the new OS, and the hipe was about a device that will not be shipping until June. I also wonder how practical is that large big screen on the iPhone. Seems it could easily break or scratch with that level of activity. I also think he priced it too high. I think it should have come in at about a $100 less that the combined iPod and regular cell phone. That would have made it more enticing. Seymour From ScottinMA at mac.com Wed Jan 10 08:00:40 2007 From: ScottinMA at mac.com (Scott Smith) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:00:55 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <86a64030594b7f7e19a4c29d27d36340@wayne.edu> References: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> <86a64030594b7f7e19a4c29d27d36340@wayne.edu> Message-ID: <400BBF75-A935-4A91-B22C-22BDE117884E@mac.com> On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Seymour Wolfson wrote: > I also think he priced it too high. I think it should have come in > at about a $100 less that the combined iPod and regular cell > phone. That would have made it more enticing. > I disagree. That is a lot of device for five hundred. I wonder whether we can pre-order it in order to get in the front of the line (like I see someone has done on eBay already). Also would be helpful to know whether it will work on a Verizon network. Scott From ddelmonte at mac.com Wed Jan 10 08:00:55 2007 From: ddelmonte at mac.com (David DelMonte) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:01:02 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <86a64030594b7f7e19a4c29d27d36340@wayne.edu> References: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> <86a64030594b7f7e19a4c29d27d36340@wayne.edu> Message-ID: <988B5CF9-3D64-43A7-B60A-BDE0E64761B4@mac.com> I agree somewhat Seymour. It remains to be seen how robust the phone is, I'm disappointed that he went with one carrier - especially as it isn't mine, and I honestly - as a 60-ish person, don't want all that 20 something video stuff. However, when I look at other smart-phones that have the capabilities that I do want - bluetooth, email, etc, I find the price about the same, especially when you add on memory cards. David On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Seymour Wolfson wrote: >> >> Tom - I also think that it is pretty likely that computer >> (hardware and software) announcements will come later, to maintain >> the wave created by the iPhone introduction. >> 10.4.9 is in the pipeline, so we hear. We know 10.5 is coming. >> >> - I was surprised that no mention was made, as far as I recall, of >> any VoIP capability for the iPhone. Will Skype work ? Skype to >> Skype? >> How about iChat ? Instant messaging over the internet rather >> than SMS over the paid network? The demo of SMS seemed to have >> the same syntax/GUI as the messaging in iChat. >> >> - since CISCO launched THEIR iPhone some weeks ago - and seem to >> have rights to the name - I was indeed surprised to find that >> Apple have a product with the name iPhone. >> Do they have a name-sharing agreement, or what ? Maybe some of >> the legal guys on the list have a view? >> >> I must say I was very impressed (otherwise) with the iPhone. i >> think their statement of reinventing the phone is very apt. Even >> the very best current phone fades in to insignificance. >> I just wish it was going to be available in Europe a bit sooner >> than the end of the year. I shall just have to keep my 6130i >> limping along until then... >> >> regards, Trevor >> > ======================== > I was very disappointed with the keynote. He blew off any > discussion of new hardware or the new OS, and the hipe was about a > device that will not be shipping until June. > > I also wonder how practical is that large big screen on the > iPhone. Seems it could easily break or scratch with that level of > activity. > > I also think he priced it too high. I think it should have come in > at about a $100 less that the combined iPod and regular cell > phone. That would have made it more enticing. > > > Seymour > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From shawn at yourmaclife.com Wed Jan 10 08:23:21 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:23:54 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <400BBF75-A935-4A91-B22C-22BDE117884E@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/10/07 8:00 AM, "Scott Smith" wrote: > Also would be helpful > to know whether it will work on a Verizon network. It will not. Cingular only - at least for the time being. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com From ScottinMA at mac.com Wed Jan 10 08:26:17 2007 From: ScottinMA at mac.com (Scott Smith) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:26:29 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7FE7BDAE-5162-4B18-8587-C9FB14B98787@mac.com> On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Shawn King wrote: > It will not. Cingular only - at least for the time being. Darn! contractual obligations with Verizon for quite awhile Scott From ddelmonte at mac.com Wed Jan 10 08:32:58 2007 From: ddelmonte at mac.com (David DelMonte) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:33:10 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7BD118BD-9D2B-4812-B412-B2D5B725B623@mac.com> So, anyone know the cost of breaking an agreement? David On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Shawn King wrote: > > > > On 1/10/07 8:00 AM, "Scott Smith" wrote: > >> Also would be helpful >> to know whether it will work on a Verizon network. > > It will not. Cingular only - at least for the time being. > -- > Shawn King > Host/Executive Producer > Your Mac Life > http://www.yourmaclife.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From malcolm_hamilton at cbc.ca Wed Jan 10 08:34:02 2007 From: malcolm_hamilton at cbc.ca (Malcolm Hamilton) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:33:48 2007 Subject: [Ti] does iPhone give any clues re new look of future MacBook Pro? Message-ID: Hi, Just wondering if the new look, design, and any new materials used in the new IPhone might give any indications of what a future MacBook Pro release might look like. Any ideas? Malcolm From bblum at well.com Wed Jan 10 08:46:35 2007 From: bblum at well.com (Barton Blum) Date: Wed Jan 10 08:46:45 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <7BD118BD-9D2B-4812-B412-B2D5B725B623@mac.com> References: <7BD118BD-9D2B-4812-B412-B2D5B725B623@mac.com> Message-ID: <7db93d8673d23653fea7fb6848c0f345@well.com> I think Verizon is $175 for breaking a 2 year agreement On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:32 AM, David DelMonte wrote: > So, anyone know the cost of breaking an agreement? > > David > > On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Shawn King wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 1/10/07 8:00 AM, "Scott Smith" wrote: >> >>> Also would be helpful >>> to know whether it will work on a Verizon network. >> >> It will not. Cingular only - at least for the time being. >> -- Shawn King >> Host/Executive Producer >> Your Mac Life >> http://www.yourmaclife.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Titanium mailing list >> Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From tdnaegele.associates at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 10:29:56 2007 From: tdnaegele.associates at gmail.com (Timothy D. Naegele) Date: Wed Jan 10 10:30:44 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote Message-ID: <6fd6011b0701101029i668341fdo4d90f522ca73eb1b@mail.gmail.com> Trevor J. Hutley wrote: >since CISCO launched THEIR iPhone some weeks ago - and seem to have rights to the name - I was indeed surprised to find that Apple have a product with the name iPhone. Do they have a name-sharing agreement, or what ? Maybe some of the legal guys on the list have a view? > According to a quote from Cisco in the Wall Street Journal: "[It] is our belief that with their announcement today Apple intends to agree to the final document and public statement," Cisco said in a statement. Cisco said it distributed the documents to Apple on Monday and expects to receive a signed agreement today." See http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/01/09/apple-cisco-reach-deal-over-iphone-or-have-they Presumably it is a done-deal legally by now. On another front, the two-year contract with Cingular is less than wonderful, especially when other carriers are apt to be added, to meet user demands. Also, it would seem that the prepaid option ought be added in the future, just like buying an MCI card at Costco. Tim Naegele www.naegele.com From arjan.bos at hetnet.nl Wed Jan 10 10:30:10 2007 From: arjan.bos at hetnet.nl (Arjan Bos) Date: Wed Jan 10 10:31:39 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <265294B2-E419-492E-BCE3-7CB3495E9E47@consultant.com> References: <265294B2-E419-492E-BCE3-7CB3495E9E47@consultant.com> Message-ID: <1722B371-0BF2-4AC9-A381-ADF84B4CE36B@hetnet.nl> On 19 dec 2006, at 11:49, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: > > Should I have been so shocked when I read this? > Linksys?, a Division of Cisco Systems, Inc., > and the recognized leading global manufacturer of voice, > wireless, and networking hardware > for home, Small Office/Home Office (SOHO) and small business > user, today unveiled its > iPhone (R) > family of Voice over IP (VoIP) solutions. > > > I suppose I was expecting that such a product might have come from > Apple, soon. > iPhone.org re-directs the traffic to Apple, but it seems that CISCO > have registered the iPhone trademark. > Everyday, another surprise.... > Indeed, and what a suprise it was! iPhone running OS X and not Mac OS X, Apple Inc, instead of Apple Computer. No iLife / iWork / iMac / iScreen announcements. Does this mean that we have to look for another favorite TiBook maker instead? --- It was funny how people were people everywhere you went, even if the people concerned weren't the people the people who made up the phrase "people are people everywhere" had traditionally thought of as people. And even if you weren't virtuous, as you had been brought up to understand the term, you did like to see virtue in other people, provided it didn't cost you anything. -- (Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant) From dfz at mac.com Wed Jan 10 10:36:03 2007 From: dfz at mac.com (Dennis Fazio) Date: Wed Jan 10 10:36:21 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <400BBF75-A935-4A91-B22C-22BDE117884E@mac.com> References: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> <86a64030594b7f7e19a4c29d27d36340@wayne.edu> <400BBF75-A935-4A91-B22C-22BDE117884E@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Scott Smith wrote: > Also would be helpful to know whether it will work on a Verizon > network. No, it's a GSM phone. It will not work on Verizon or Sprint, who are both CDMA. If other carriers are brought into the mix (assuming the Cingular partnership is non-exclusive), they will need to come out with a second model to do CDMA. -- Dennis Fazio dfz@mac.com From ScottinMA at mac.com Wed Jan 10 10:56:01 2007 From: ScottinMA at mac.com (Scott Smith) Date: Wed Jan 10 10:56:08 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> <86a64030594b7f7e19a4c29d27d36340@wayne.edu> <400BBF75-A935-4A91-B22C-22BDE117884E@mac.com> Message-ID: <0FDB8FF3-DBAF-4FD5-A594-8120D70D11BE@mac.com> On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Dennis Fazio wrote: > On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Scott Smith wrote: > >> Also would be helpful to know whether it will work on a Verizon >> network. > > No, it's a GSM phone. It will not work on Verizon or Sprint, who > are both CDMA. If other carriers are brought into the mix (assuming > the Cingular partnership is non-exclusive), they will need to come > out with a second model to do CDMA. Right. I'm stuck for now with Verizon or pay the penalty for terminating the contract. Does anyone know whether the iPhone can be pre-ordered from Apple at this point? Scott From ScottinMA at mac.com Wed Jan 10 10:55:00 2007 From: ScottinMA at mac.com (Scott Smith) Date: Wed Jan 10 10:56:13 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: <31E0BAA6-49A8-4690-8861-875BB40C84A6@consultant.com> <1D47BB21-E84D-4B11-8732-3A806C3FA439@mac.com> <86a64030594b7f7e19a4c29d27d36340@wayne.edu> <400BBF75-A935-4A91-B22C-22BDE117884E@mac.com> Message-ID: <902A41D1-D503-4F3C-B98E-1ED079A9B925@mac.com> On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Dennis Fazio wrote: >> Also would be helpful to know whether it will work on a Verizon >> network. > > No, it's a GSM phone. It will not work on Verizon or Sprint, who > are both CDMA. If other carriers are brought into the mix (assuming > the Cingular partnership is non-exclusive), they will need to come > out with a second model to do CDMA. Right. I'm stuck for now with Verizon or pay the penalty for terminating the contract. Does anyone know whether the iPhone can be pre-ordered from Apple at this point? Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/titanium/attachments/20070110/35fa9571/attachment.html From fred at mindstate.com Wed Jan 10 12:32:12 2007 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Wed Jan 10 12:32:23 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <400BBF75-A935-4A91-B22C-22BDE117884E@mac.com> Message-ID: > From: Scott Smith > Subject: Re: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote > > > On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Seymour Wolfson wrote: > >> I also think he priced it too high. I think it should have come in >> at about a $100 less that the combined iPod and regular cell >> phone. That would have made it more enticing. >> > > I disagree. That is a lot of device for five hundred. I wonder > whether we can pre-order it in order to get in the front of the line > (like I see someone has done on eBay already). Also would be helpful > to know whether it will work on a Verizon network. > I tend to agree on the price. All in all a good deal. You can go to the Cingular website and leave your email to sign up to be notified when it is available. It will not work on CDMA phones or providers. The majority of the world uses GSM based phones and in turn Apple chose to address this segment. Good economics. From fred at mindstate.com Wed Jan 10 12:37:44 2007 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Wed Jan 10 12:38:31 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Shawn King > Subject: Re: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote > On 1/10/07 8:00 AM, "Scott Smith" wrote: > >> Also would be helpful >> to know whether it will work on a Verizon network. > > It will not. Cingular only - at least for the time being. Since it is a SIM based GSM phone, it will not work with a CDMA service provider, anywhere. Only GSM. And it can work with other GSM providers...it will either come unlocked or you can have it unlocked...but since you have to have a 2 year contract to get it, you probably would not do that in the states. If you have a home in another country as well, like I do, then being able to insert the other SIM for my other GSM provider there is important. I was told that it could ship unlocked, but if not, under recent US law, Cingular has to provide you a way to unlock it. From fred at mindstate.com Wed Jan 10 12:38:49 2007 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Wed Jan 10 12:39:06 2007 Subject: [Ti] does iPhone give any clues re new look of future MacBook Pro? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Malcolm Hamilton > Subject: [Ti] does iPhone give any clues re new look of future MacBook Pro? > > Hi, > Just wondering if the new look, design, and any new materials used in > the new IPhone might give any indications of what a future MacBook > Pro release might look like. > Any ideas? > Malcolm Interesting thought. From fred at mindstate.com Wed Jan 10 12:43:26 2007 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Wed Jan 10 12:43:39 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <1722B371-0BF2-4AC9-A381-ADF84B4CE36B@hetnet.nl> Message-ID: > From: Arjan Bos > Subject: Re: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? > > Indeed, and what a suprise it was! iPhone running OS X and not Mac OS > X, Apple Inc, instead of Apple Computer. No iLife / iWork / iMac / > iScreen announcements. Does this mean that we have to look for > another favorite TiBook maker instead? > OS X versus Mac OSX...what? I do not follow. Changing the name makes sense. No iLife updates as they normally have done in the past due to the integration the new iLife will have with Leopard so they will more than likely be released at similar times. No new hardware as most is very current, recently updated...was sort of expecting the new MacPro quad dual core but it will come later obviously. The new screens too...but Apple is apparently spreading out the announcements. Why would you think you have to look for another TiBook maker??? From cmanitt at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 12:46:59 2007 From: cmanitt at gmail.com (Chris Manitt) Date: Wed Jan 10 12:47:05 2007 Subject: [Ti] Remove my name from the list please Message-ID: From clong at mac.com Wed Jan 10 13:58:12 2007 From: clong at mac.com (Chris Long) Date: Wed Jan 10 13:58:46 2007 Subject: [Ti] does iPhone give any clues re new look of future MacBook Pro? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Malcolm Hamilton wrote: > Just wondering if the new look, design, and any new materials used > in the new IPhone might give any indications of what a future > MacBook Pro release might look like. This thought hit me as I was watching the demos... take the MBP and put a screen where the keyboard and trackpad are now. Everything uses the "new interface" multi-touch. In addition, there was a patent mentioned for "overlay" technology on a touch screen a while back... piano keys, etc. which could be used to interface with whatever software you are using. Imagine Garageband with built-in piano, guitar, etc. interface. Or video editting. Or artwork. Then just a simple enclosure to protect the screen during transport. Heck, you could shave off a few more millimeters if you eliminate the optical drive, DVI, and ethernet... I believe HDMI is a smaller connection anyway. There would be the ultimate "Mac Book Thin" that every rumor site keeps talking about. They've shown they can do it on a small scale. Now go for the gold! Chris From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Wed Jan 10 15:16:38 2007 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Wed Jan 10 15:18:02 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <6fd6011b0701101029i668341fdo4d90f522ca73eb1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6fd6011b0701101029i668341fdo4d90f522ca73eb1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 10 Jan 2007, at 19:29, Timothy D. Naegele wrote: >> Trevor J. Hutley wrote: >> >> since CISCO launched THEIR iPhone some weeks ago - and seem to have >> rights to the name - I was indeed surprised to find that Apple have a >> product with the name iPhone. >> Do they have a name-sharing agreement, or what ? Maybe some of the >> legal guys on the list have a view? > > According to a quote from Cisco in the Wall Street Journal: > > "[It] is our belief that with their announcement today Apple intends > to agree to the final document and public statement," Cisco said in a > statement. Cisco said it distributed the documents to Apple on Monday > and expects to receive a signed agreement today." > > See http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/01/09/apple-cisco-reach-deal-over- > iphone-or-have-they > > Presumably it is a done-deal legally by now. Tim - it seems not !!! I just read this - > Cisco files infringement suit against Apple over iPhone Jan 10, 2007 > > > SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Cisco Systems Inc. late Wednesday > said it has filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for > the Northern District of California against Apple Inc. seeking to > prevent Apple from using the iPhone trademark. Cisco said it > obtained the iPhone trademark in 2000 after acquiring Infogear. > Cisco said Infogear's original filing for the trademark was on > March 20, 1996. "There is no doubt that Apple's new phone is very > exciting, but they should not be using our trademark without our > permission," said Mark Chandler, Cisco's senior vice president and > general counsel, in a statement. Completely puzzling to me, still....... Trevor From wolfson at wayne.edu Wed Jan 10 18:11:15 2007 From: wolfson at wayne.edu (Seymour Wolfson) Date: Wed Jan 10 18:11:25 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <7BD118BD-9D2B-4812-B412-B2D5B725B623@mac.com> References: <7BD118BD-9D2B-4812-B412-B2D5B725B623@mac.com> Message-ID: <94002c15fc007c0aa47c625c01d42b61@wayne.edu> On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:32 AM, David DelMonte wrote: > So, anyone know the cost of breaking an agreement? > > David > ============ I have heard of places that will buy out your contract for $50. Don't know the place but you might do a search on the net to see if you can find it. Seymour From terilowery at mac.com Wed Jan 10 18:12:46 2007 From: terilowery at mac.com (Teri Lowery) Date: Wed Jan 10 18:12:53 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know I'm going to get one! I have Macs at my home and business and I see all kinds of possibilities with an iPhone. Teri On Jan 10, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Fred wrote: >> From: Arjan Bos > >> Subject: Re: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? >> >> Indeed, and what a suprise it was! iPhone running OS X and not Mac OS >> X, Apple Inc, instead of Apple Computer. No iLife / iWork / iMac / >> iScreen announcements. Does this mean that we have to look for >> another favorite TiBook maker instead? >> > > > OS X versus Mac OSX...what? I do not follow. > Changing the name makes sense. > No iLife updates as they normally have done in the past due to the > integration the new iLife will have with Leopard so they will more > than > likely be released at similar times. > No new hardware as most is very current, recently updated...was > sort of > expecting the new MacPro quad dual core but it will come later > obviously. > The new screens too...but Apple is apparently spreading out the > announcements. > > Why would you think you have to look for another TiBook maker??? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From terilowery at mac.com Wed Jan 10 18:37:22 2007 From: terilowery at mac.com (Teri Lowery) Date: Wed Jan 10 18:37:34 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <94002c15fc007c0aa47c625c01d42b61@wayne.edu> References: <7BD118BD-9D2B-4812-B412-B2D5B725B623@mac.com> <94002c15fc007c0aa47c625c01d42b61@wayne.edu> Message-ID: $200 with T-Mobile. That's my carrier. On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Seymour Wolfson wrote: > > On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:32 AM, David DelMonte wrote: > >> So, anyone know the cost of breaking an agreement? >> >> David >> > ============ > I have heard of places that will buy out your contract for $50. > Don't know the place but you might do a search on the net to see if > you can find it. > Seymour > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From wolfson at wayne.edu Wed Jan 10 18:56:26 2007 From: wolfson at wayne.edu (Seymour Wolfson) Date: Wed Jan 10 18:56:36 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: <6fd6011b0701101029i668341fdo4d90f522ca73eb1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <30425c86e9f42f2b27ac7fc5eedda621@wayne.edu> > > Tim - it seems not !!! I just read this - > >> Cisco files infringement suit against Apple over iPhone Jan 10, 2007 >> >> >> SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Cisco Systems Inc. late Wednesday said >> it has filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the >> Northern District of California against Apple Inc. seeking to prevent >> Apple from using the iPhone trademark. Cisco said it obtained the >> iPhone trademark in 2000 after acquiring Infogear. Cisco said >> Infogear's original filing for the trademark was on March 20, 1996. >> "There is no doubt that Apple's new phone is very exciting, but they >> should not be using our trademark without our permission," said Mark >> Chandler, Cisco's senior vice president and general counsel, in a >> statement. > > Completely puzzling to me, still....... > > Trevor > ================================== My wife has a great idea for Apple. They should just call it the "Apple" Phone. Maybe even replace the word Apple with the symbol. Pass that along. Seymour From pauls at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 10 19:03:56 2007 From: pauls at sbcglobal.net (Paul Samarin) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:04:04 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <30425c86e9f42f2b27ac7fc5eedda621@wayne.edu> References: <6fd6011b0701101029i668341fdo4d90f522ca73eb1b@mail.gmail.com> <30425c86e9f42f2b27ac7fc5eedda621@wayne.edu> Message-ID: <86b80fac72b459f88134602abb21db91@sbcglobal.net> IOW, "aPhone"? : ) I'll tell ya what's puzzling to me...Jobs didn't have to do this at all. All he had to say was, "We're still kicking around ideas on names...We like "iPhone", but don't have an agreement to use to name... Moreover, this isn't just a phone; it looks to me like the orig idea behind the iPod...a "pod" that functions as the center of all the gadgets we need to run our iLives. I woulda called it iPod Phone or some such... What the hell do I know? Paul On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Seymour Wolfson wrote: >> Tim - it seems not !!! I just read this - >>> Cisco files infringement suit against Apple over iPhone >> >> Completely puzzling to me, still....... >> >> Trevor > ================================== > My wife has a great idea for Apple. They should just call it the > "Apple" Phone. Maybe even replace the word Apple with the symbol. > Pass that along. > > Seymour From tarik at opalblue.com Wed Jan 10 19:28:04 2007 From: tarik at opalblue.com (Tarik Bilgin) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:28:17 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 19 Dec 2006, at 21:13, rob morris wrote: > > No, not really Trevor. It is common knowledge that Apple has owned > the > iphone.org domain, but CISCO has had the iPhone trademark for over > 10 years > now. They decided to partner with linksys to produce the new > phone. It > has been media sources that referred to the "upcoming apple phone > device" as > the iPhone, not apple. It will have another, probably better > name. The "I" > stuff is really getting a bit stale anyway. > Apple did file for iPhone t-marks in other countries though. > But it has been generally known inside certain circles that the iPhone > moniker would/will not be used for apple's new phone device. > What bothers me about the Apple iPhone product is that the telephony side of it is a bit weak. It supports EDGE for data access at best, not even a 3g technology. This is going to make using it for web browsing painfully slow. The cynical in one might say that this is done intentionally to prevent Cingular from taking a decent cut from iTunes music store purchases via the phone since they will be inconveniently slow. I hope that Apple have a proper 3g phone in the works, and that it supports some kind of VOIP gateway (e.g. SIP) like my Nokia E60 does, allowing me to make voip landline calls from anywhere that I have a 802.11 wireless connection. This seems to be a recent trend with Apple. They focus too much on the casual iPod users and not enough on the people who use their products for more than just leisure. As for the trademarking issue...well I really couldn't care less. And I don't think the market will either. -- Tarik From jmsparks1 at verizon.net Wed Jan 10 19:41:21 2007 From: jmsparks1 at verizon.net (John Sparks) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:41:46 2007 Subject: [Ti] Creating a CD Copy of E-mail Message-ID: <5212C73A-9820-46B5-8EC2-0791BD02D8F0@verizon.net> Greetings List: My desk top G4 blew a Power Supply, so I'm using my TI PB G4/867. Question: I would like to make a CD copy of my e-mail on it. What do I need to know to copy my In-box and be able to read it when I replace my desk-top CPU. Thanks to one & all. sparky894 From strehlow at usermail.com Wed Jan 10 19:41:49 2007 From: strehlow at usermail.com (Scott Strehlow) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:41:55 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ef9c91c223414c7efda207b46df8f1a@usermail.com> On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Tarik Bilgin wrote: > I hope that Apple have a proper 3g phone in the works, and that it > supports some kind of VOIP gateway (e.g. SIP) like my Nokia E60 does, > allowing me to make voip landline calls from anywhere that I have a > 802.11 wireless connection. If it is truly running OS-X, will it run _any_ OS-X application, such as the Gizmo Project? If so, it will be easy to add VoIP to it using 3rd party software. Cheers, Scott ------------------------------------------------- Scott Strehlow, RDA, CDA, BS Life is for service. From simplymail at ururk.com Wed Jan 10 19:50:22 2007 From: simplymail at ururk.com (John) Date: Wed Jan 10 19:50:38 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13DD4EA6-81C7-4FE1-97FF-B2C4AB0BCCC1@ururk.com> On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Tarik Bilgin wrote: > What bothers me about the Apple iPhone product is that the > telephony side of it is a bit weak. It supports EDGE for data > access at best, not even a 3g technology. This is going to make > using it for web browsing painfully slow. > > The cynical in one might say that this is done intentionally to > prevent Cingular from taking a decent cut from iTunes music store > purchases via the phone since they will be inconveniently slow. > I hope that Apple have a proper 3g phone in the works, and that it > supports some kind of VOIP gateway (e.g. SIP) like my Nokia E60 > does, allowing me to make voip landline calls from anywhere that I > have a 802.11 wireless connection. I have read discussion about this, and most people seem to think it will support 3G when it rolls out to Europe. Plus there is talk of a CDMA version.... who knows. One of the larger factors is that 3G supposedly eats batteries. WiFi does too... so I don't know if that argument holds water. Further, the battery is non-removable, so it may be very inconvenient in any event which technology you use. I mean, to sync music wirelessly (one feature people want), probably eats up a lot of battery. I'm sure Apple is considering the fact that the user will have their device attached to an iPod connector which supplies a data connection and power while syncing. I mean, that was the benefit of the original iPod - over firewire it charged AND synced at the same time. Only a handful of devices at the time supported charging over USB. And now people want to remove that feature, which I think distinguished it and added to it's simplicity. I have doubts the iPhone will support VOIP out-of the box, but I have all the faith in the world that this will become the fastest hacked device on the market when it is released. John From ddelmonte at mac.com Wed Jan 10 20:02:48 2007 From: ddelmonte at mac.com (David DelMonte) Date: Wed Jan 10 20:02:59 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: <7BD118BD-9D2B-4812-B412-B2D5B725B623@mac.com> <94002c15fc007c0aa47c625c01d42b61@wayne.edu> Message-ID: ouch On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:37 PM, Teri Lowery wrote: > $200 with T-Mobile. That's my carrier. > On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Seymour Wolfson wrote: > >> >> On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:32 AM, David DelMonte wrote: >> >>> So, anyone know the cost of breaking an agreement? >>> >>> David >>> >> ============ >> I have heard of places that will buy out your contract for $50. >> Don't know the place but you might do a search on the net to see >> if you can find it. >> Seymour >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Titanium mailing list >> Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From terilowery at mac.com Wed Jan 10 20:08:29 2007 From: terilowery at mac.com (Teri Lowery) Date: Wed Jan 10 20:08:45 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: <7BD118BD-9D2B-4812-B412-B2D5B725B623@mac.com> <94002c15fc007c0aa47c625c01d42b61@wayne.edu> Message-ID: <1FE5803D-7DC5-4D70-A17C-6322DEEB8F3D@mac.com> Then again, I have a business that is separate from my personal phone lines. I think it may be worth it to change over for the business, especially since we're sister and brother owned. Teri On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:02 PM, David DelMonte wrote: > ouch > > On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:37 PM, Teri Lowery wrote: > >> $200 with T-Mobile. That's my carrier. >> On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Seymour Wolfson wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:32 AM, David DelMonte wrote: >>> >>>> So, anyone know the cost of breaking an agreement? >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>> ============ >>> I have heard of places that will buy out your contract for $50. >>> Don't know the place but you might do a search on the net to see >>> if you can find it. >>> Seymour >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Titanium mailing list >>> Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and >>> random stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Titanium mailing list >> Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From strehlow at usermail.com Wed Jan 10 20:16:48 2007 From: strehlow at usermail.com (Scott Strehlow) Date: Wed Jan 10 20:16:54 2007 Subject: [Ti] Creating a CD Copy of E-mail In-Reply-To: <5212C73A-9820-46B5-8EC2-0791BD02D8F0@verizon.net> References: <5212C73A-9820-46B5-8EC2-0791BD02D8F0@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi John, On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:41 PM, John Sparks wrote: > Question: I would like to make a CD copy of my e-mail on it. > What do I need to know to copy my In-box and be able to read it > when I replace my desk-top CPU. Thanks to one & all. Based on the headers in your message, you are using the Apple Mail.app, right? If so, I think you just need to copy the /Users//Library/Mail folder to the CD, then copy that onto the new machine. I'm not sure if that will get all of your settings, but I think it will. All of your mail folders are in this path. You should be able to do this with Finder as permissions are not so critical. If it doesn't work, run a "fix permissions" on it and try again. Please note that I have not actually had to do this, but it should work. ------------------------------------------------- Scott Strehlow, RDA, CDA, BS Life is for service. From ncicchek at optonline.net Wed Jan 10 20:25:11 2007 From: ncicchek at optonline.net (John McGibney) Date: Wed Jan 10 20:25:22 2007 Subject: [Ti] Creating a CD Copy of E-mail In-Reply-To: References: <5212C73A-9820-46B5-8EC2-0791BD02D8F0@verizon.net> Message-ID: On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:16 PM, Scott Strehlow wrote: > Hi John, > > On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:41 PM, John Sparks wrote: >> Question: I would like to make a CD copy of my e-mail on it. >> What do I need to know to copy my In-box and be able to read it >> when I replace my desk-top CPU. Thanks to one & all. > > Based on the headers in your message, you are using the Apple > Mail.app, right? If so, I think you just need to copy the /Users/ > /Library/Mail folder to the CD, then copy that onto > the new machine. I'm not sure if that will get all of your > settings, but I think it will. All of your mail folders are in > this path. You should be able to do this with Finder as > permissions are not so critical. If it doesn't work, run a "fix > permissions" on it and try again. > > Please note that I have not actually had to do this, but it should > work. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Scott Strehlow, RDA, CDA, BS You also need to copy a file called: com.apple.mail.plist from your user/you/library/preferences folder Of course if the desktop model is bootable you could use Migration Assistant to copy your user folder to the new machine. -- My dog is very obedient, he does what he is bid. A sign said 'wet paint', and that's just what he did. From tarik at opalblue.com Wed Jan 10 23:21:08 2007 From: tarik at opalblue.com (Tarik Bilgin) Date: Wed Jan 10 23:21:13 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <13DD4EA6-81C7-4FE1-97FF-B2C4AB0BCCC1@ururk.com> References: <13DD4EA6-81C7-4FE1-97FF-B2C4AB0BCCC1@ururk.com> Message-ID: <1DA2C3CC-B5E0-4CD2-A100-CED1442CC44B@opalblue.com> On 11 Jan 2007, at 03:50, John wrote: > Further, the battery is non-removable, so it may be very > inconvenient in any event which technology you use. A disaster! -- Tarik From tarik at opalblue.com Wed Jan 10 23:35:38 2007 From: tarik at opalblue.com (Tarik Bilgin) Date: Wed Jan 10 23:35:43 2007 Subject: [Ti] Cautionary Story In-Reply-To: References: <94F0FBF5-80B3-4112-842A-513DC5B6D6EF@chello.at> <5D7E92F6-9E50-43E4-882C-707D159D04EE@consultant.com> Message-ID: <27626EE6-EC42-4DDF-8770-54291C3E85A5@opalblue.com> On 10 Jan 2007, at 00:19, Erik Gaderlund wrote: > At 01:38 PM +0100 01/09/07, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: >> On 9 Jan 2007, at 13:24, Frank Ettenberg wrote: >> >>> Hello List, Just wanted to relate that I am a Tit. g4 1.67ghz >>> Powerbook owner.d what y'all are saying and recommending a large >>> part of the time. Just a note for everyone--this game can be >>> very expensive, of course, especially for ignoramuses like me. >>> ( I paid the tech about 450 dollars to fix the problem--he >>> recovered just about all my jpgs and other data, so at least I >>> know I must regularly back everything up.) Anyhow, I now have a >>> perfectly functioning pb since he formatted the disk-except that >>> it slows down considerably when I've just started Limewire-and I >>> have to replenish a lot of the software that was discarded in the >>> clean/install that the tech wound up doing. >> >> Frank - probably most of us on the list are amateurs (i know some >> are not), but with experience, and we heave learnt lessons the >> hard way. >> >> I think the lesson from your story is "if you buy or get a >> Powerbook from somewhere else, reformat the disk and reinstall the >> latest OS, before you do anything else". > > When formatting (also with a fresh drive) it is best practice to > 'zero all data' which means the drive re-maps (aka avoids bad > sectors). I've gotten a used PowerBook, and did that before > installing the latest OS. You might even check on Apple's support > site on formatting drives to get more background on all the options. Another good option is to buy a brand new disk drive and install it in the computer (haven't done this on the newer models yet and admittedly you had to be good with a screwdriver on the older models) since hard disks are incredibly cheap right now. -- Tarik From alex at fotomotion.net Thu Jan 11 03:17:57 2007 From: alex at fotomotion.net (Alex) Date: Thu Jan 11 03:18:43 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <13DD4EA6-81C7-4FE1-97FF-B2C4AB0BCCC1@ururk.com> References: <13DD4EA6-81C7-4FE1-97FF-B2C4AB0BCCC1@ururk.com> Message-ID: <5B4A9271-4BD7-429A-BCC5-AFE65109D7EC@fotomotion.net> One thing not discussed is the tie in of tech between Cingular and Apple At the Keynote the voicemail integration was at the network level If the iPhone is unlocked and used on a different network then unless Apple/Cingular allow other networks to use the same level of intergration then you will be stuck with an iPhone that has features missing This Has to have been thought out as if the phone is going to Europe and Asia the tech MUST be portable cross network, but I will bet that Apple will similarly partner with networks in those regions and the same issues will arise in every territory. Alex On 11 Jan 2007, at 03:50, John wrote: On Jan 10, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Tarik Bilgin wrote: > What bothers me about the Apple iPhone product is that the > telephony side of it is a bit weak. It supports EDGE for data > access at best, not even a 3g technology. This is going to make > using it for web browsing painfully slow. > > The cynical in one might say that this is done intentionally to > prevent Cingular from taking a decent cut from iTunes music store > purchases via the phone since they will be inconveniently slow. > I hope that Apple have a proper 3g phone in the works, and that it > supports some kind of VOIP gateway (e.g. SIP) like my Nokia E60 > does, allowing me to make voip landline calls from anywhere that I > have a 802.11 wireless connection. I have read discussion about this, and most people seem to think it will support 3G when it rolls out to Europe. Plus there is talk of a CDMA version.... who knows. One of the larger factors is that 3G supposedly eats batteries. WiFi does too... so I don't know if that argument holds water. Further, the battery is non-removable, so it may be very inconvenient in any event which technology you use. I mean, to sync music wirelessly (one feature people want), probably eats up a lot of battery. I'm sure Apple is considering the fact that the user will have their device attached to an iPod connector which supplies a data connection and power while syncing. I mean, that was the benefit of the original iPod - over firewire it charged AND synced at the same time. Only a handful of devices at the time supported charging over USB. And now people want to remove that feature, which I think distinguished it and added to it's simplicity. I have doubts the iPhone will support VOIP out-of the box, but I have all the faith in the world that this will become the fastest hacked device on the market when it is released. John _______________________________________________ Titanium mailing list Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Thu Jan 11 05:38:24 2007 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Thu Jan 11 05:38:43 2007 Subject: [Ti] Flash Drive for VM? Message-ID: <82888F11-A40B-4EDA-82D5-7379121A4AE1@consultant.com> I (thought that I) read something somewhere the other day about VISTA being able to use Flash Memory as RAM. I could not find this or confirm it. The thinking process led me to this question: Is it possible to put Mac OS X virtual memory (VM) files on a flash drive, to speed up our Powerbooks ? I cannot run the experiment myself, as I do not have a very large flash drive (256Mb). However, SwapCop does enable me to move the VM files to this 256 Mb flash drive, so if I had one of the right size (4Gb?) it might be a useful way to speed up my Powerbook. Did anyone else on the List ever try this, or can anyone (with a large Flash Drive) try it, and see if it makes any difference?? regards, Trevor From ian.collier at mac.com Thu Jan 11 06:25:26 2007 From: ian.collier at mac.com (Ian Collier) Date: Thu Jan 11 06:25:36 2007 Subject: [Ti] Flash Drive for VM? In-Reply-To: <82888F11-A40B-4EDA-82D5-7379121A4AE1@consultant.com> References: <82888F11-A40B-4EDA-82D5-7379121A4AE1@consultant.com> Message-ID: On Thursday, January 11, 2007, at 01:39PM, "Dr. Trevor J. Hutley" wrote: > > Is it possible to put Mac OS X virtual memory (VM) files on a >flash drive, to speed up our Powerbooks ? > But in that case why not just put in more RAM - and avoid needing VM in the first place? ---------------------------------------------------- Ian Collier ian.collier@mac.com +44 (0)118 984 2462 (cell) +44 (0)7866 510075 ---------------------------------------------------- From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Thu Jan 11 06:39:19 2007 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Thu Jan 11 06:40:51 2007 Subject: [Ti] Flash Drive for VM? In-Reply-To: References: <82888F11-A40B-4EDA-82D5-7379121A4AE1@consultant.com> Message-ID: On 11 Jan 2007, at 15:25, Ian Collier wrote: > On Thursday, January 11, 2007, at 01:39PM, "Dr. Trevor J. Hutley" > wrote: >> >> Is it possible to put Mac OS X virtual memory (VM) files on a >> flash drive, to speed up our Powerbooks ? > > But in that case why not just put in more RAM - and avoid needing > VM in the first place? Ian - that is another question, not an answer .... :-) To answer your question: My Al-book has 1Gb RAM at the moment, and I can increase it to 2 Gb max. My VM is currently running at 8.32 Gb. So there is no way I can ever put (let alone afford) enough RAM to eliminate VM. My idea was that maybe the VM can be moved to a 4Gb flash drive to speed things up. What I am not sure about is how the OS would handle more VM (eg the current 8+ Gb) than the (4Gb) drive has capacity for... Just exploring what is possible, what the limit is. Trevor From rjmas1 at comcast.net Thu Jan 11 07:35:01 2007 From: rjmas1 at comcast.net (Raymond J. Mas) Date: Thu Jan 11 07:35:16 2007 Subject: [Ti] Font smoothing gone haywire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all, I've been struggling the last few days with a sudden, inexplicable change in the appearance of my fonts. First, the font smoothing no longer seems to work properly. No matter what setting I choose, the fonts (system, Word, and web browsers) all appear jagged. In addition, my fonts have taken on multi-colored hues. I tried Tinker Tool, but it didn't seem to help. Could something have gone wrong with my monitor? I have an Acer 19-inch LCD screen that I've used for the past year, and it has performed well until now. I'd appreciate any ideas, as this is my work computer, and it's driving me crazy! Many thanks. Ray From rbf at psu.edu Thu Jan 11 10:33:36 2007 From: rbf at psu.edu (Bob Fowles) Date: Thu Jan 11 10:34:03 2007 Subject: [Ti] Font smoothing gone haywire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What computer? What version OS? Did the font problem occur after any kind of software upgrade? Is the monitor attached to your powerbook? If so, try running without the monitor. Bob At 10:35 AM -0500 1/11/07, Raymond J. Mas wrote: >Hello all, > >I've been struggling the last few days with a sudden, inexplicable change in >the appearance of my fonts. First, the font smoothing no longer seems to >work properly. No matter what setting I choose, the fonts (system, Word, and >web browsers) all appear jagged. > >In addition, my fonts have taken on multi-colored hues. I tried Tinker Tool, >but it didn't seem to help. > >Could something have gone wrong with my monitor? I have an Acer 19-inch LCD >screen that I've used for the past year, and it has performed well until >now. > >I'd appreciate any ideas, as this is my work computer, and it's driving me >crazy! > >Many thanks. > >Ray > > >_______________________________________________ >Titanium mailing list >Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jwegriffin at mac.com Thu Jan 11 12:50:17 2007 From: jwegriffin at mac.com (John Griffin) Date: Thu Jan 11 12:50:38 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <5B4A9271-4BD7-429A-BCC5-AFE65109D7EC@fotomotion.net> References: <13DD4EA6-81C7-4FE1-97FF-B2C4AB0BCCC1@ururk.com> <5B4A9271-4BD7-429A-BCC5-AFE65109D7EC@fotomotion.net> Message-ID: <16FED49E-BD55-4964-9FF3-E1386FFA7482@mac.com> One other thing that one has to keep in mind is that Cingular, claims to have the fewest dropped calls. However according to Consumers Reports it is among the worst and least reliable carriers in North America. Why not Verizon? It is the top rated carrier in North America right now (again, according to Consumers Reports). jg On 11-Jan-07, at 6:17 AM, Alex wrote: > One thing not discussed is the tie in of tech between Cingular and > Apple > At the Keynote the voicemail integration was at the network level > If the iPhone is unlocked and used on a different network then > unless Apple/Cingular allow other networks to > use the same level of intergration then you will be stuck with an > iPhone that has features missing > This Has to have been thought out as if the phone is going to > Europe and Asia the tech MUST be portable cross network, > but I will bet that Apple will similarly partner with networks in > those regions and the same issues will arise in every territory. > > Alex From mailgilbert2 at intergate.com Thu Jan 11 13:04:11 2007 From: mailgilbert2 at intergate.com (gilbertc) Date: Thu Jan 11 13:04:24 2007 Subject: [Ti] Newton Strengths in iPhone?*** Message-ID: I was hoping they'ed include the newton writing system. Buttons are buttons even if they are on the screen instead of the bezel. Hopefully, they will upgrade this, as i can't push anymore buttons after being on my computer for 8-hours a day. gilbert *** >Send Titanium mailing list submissions to > titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > titanium-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > titanium-owner@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Titanium digest..." > > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >_______________________________________________ > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [OT?] Macworld keynote (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) > 2. Re: [OT?] Macworld keynote (Henry Kalir) > 3. Re: [OT?] Macworld keynote (rob morris) > 4. Re: [OT?] Macworld keynote (John Griffin) > 5. Re: [OT?] Macworld keynote (Seymour Wolfson) > 6. Re: [OT?] Macworld keynote (Scott Smith) > 7. Re: [OT?] Macworld keynote (David DelMonte) 8. Re: [OT?] Macworld keynote (Shawn King) From fred at mindstate.com Thu Jan 11 13:11:50 2007 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Thu Jan 11 13:12:00 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <16FED49E-BD55-4964-9FF3-E1386FFA7482@mac.com> Message-ID: > From: John Griffin ." > > Subject: Re: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? > > One other thing that one has to keep in mind is that Cingular, claims > to have the fewest dropped calls. However according to Consumers > Reports it is among the worst and least reliable carriers in North > America. > > Why not Verizon? It is the top rated carrier in North America right > now (again, according to Consumers Reports). > > jg : That really has nothing to do with it. It is not about the carriers...it is about the tech. Verizon is CDMA and most of the world is GSM with SIM cards. So, apple is obviously interested in dealing with the majority of the market, globally. Cingular and T-Mobile are GSM in the states. So, they chose Cingular and they are GSM and the largest in the US as well. Apple might choose to build a CDMA version, there are various prognostications on that, but for now, they chose GSM, for obvious reasons. The US and Japan have some CDMA carriers...and a few other countries have small CDMA based cell carriers here and there, not many, but the vast majority of the world operates via GSM. Sorry..but maybe apple may choose to do a CDMA phone. I don't think so from what I have heard, but who knows. Ross, correct me if I am wrong. Cheers From roduncan at telus.net Thu Jan 11 16:43:33 2007 From: roduncan at telus.net (Rod Duncan) Date: Thu Jan 11 16:43:52 2007 Subject: [Ti] iPhone, Treo & Steve - random thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In Canada, we have a couple of CDMA carriers - Telus and Bell. The GSM carrier is Rogers. This month I am just finishing a 3-year contract with Telus. I had already decided to sit on the fence and see what way the cell wind was blowing. I recently purchased a no contract Treo 700P with a guaranteed 30-day money back return policy. Was curious to test it out and didn't think I would keep it - now I'm sure it's going back. (Telus tried to sell me into the big discount price with the multi-year commitment. Turns out the Treo is returnable but the commitment sticks. Needless to say, I bought the phone outright and opened it carefully with returning always... always in mind.) While the Treo has a bevy of Mac software and utilities - it needs them. (and some of them not cheap either) The Treo is *at best* unstable and generally unfriendly. Sure you could learn to live with its warts. (remember OS 7 and OSX beta?) However, I've crashed the Treo more often than a Yugo with four bald tires. Apologies to the legion of loyal Yugo owners - all two of you. At least Blackberries are stable - they just don't like playing with Mac's. Comparatively, I was given a Garmin c530 touch screen automotive GPS for Christmas - I know, spoiled. It worked fabulously out of the box. Never even looked at the manual. You would of thought Apple had built it. Very cool. It just works. Granted, Garmin has been slow to offer Mac software but I was able to update the software using Virtual PC and the new Intel machines would laugh and do it in the background. Soon baby... soon. The Treo and its Palm software? In my best Bart voice, "Groan..." If the Treo and its *suspect* Palm software is the best Smartphone for the Mac then waiting for the OSX version of iPhone is a no-brainer. Sure we can nitpick HD size and this and that but look at what you are comparing it to? Beam me up Scotty versus sitting banging a rock. By the time they get to offer it in Canada it will be well into a subsequent version and most of the early adopter's bugs will be well known and addressed. Job's has already called it an iPhone so regardless what it ends up being officially called, he's already pulled down millions in free advertising. Call it anything you want now, it will always be known as the iPhone. The master orchestrates as only he can. You gotta' love it. From a time when we borrowed $150M pocket lint from Mr. Gates to protect an Apple platform just hanging on - to now. He takes visionary to a new version. Doesn't hurt that form and function are a mantra at Apple. Always nice when Apple raises the bar... again... R. > > From: John Griffin ." >> >> Subject: Re: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? >> >> One other thing that one has to keep in mind is that Cingular, claims >> to have the fewest dropped calls. However according to Consumers >> Reports it is among the worst and least reliable carriers in North >> America. >> >> Why not Verizon? It is the top rated carrier in North America right >> now (again, according to Consumers Reports). >> >> jg >: > >That really has nothing to do with it. It is not about the carriers...it is >about the tech. Verizon is CDMA and most of the world is GSM with SIM >cards. So, apple is obviously interested in dealing with the majority of >the market, globally. Cingular and T-Mobile are GSM in the states. So, >they chose Cingular and they are GSM and the largest in the US as well. > >Apple might choose to build a CDMA version, there are various >prognostications on that, but for now, they chose GSM, for obvious reasons. > >The US and Japan have some CDMA carriers...and a few other countries have >small CDMA based cell carriers here and there, not many, but the vast >majority of the world operates via GSM. > >Sorry..but maybe apple may choose to do a CDMA phone. I don't think so from >what I have heard, but who knows. > >Ross, correct me if I am wrong. > >Cheers > > >_______________________________________________ >Titanium mailing list >Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From wolfson at wayne.edu Thu Jan 11 16:43:56 2007 From: wolfson at wayne.edu (Seymour Wolfson) Date: Thu Jan 11 16:44:01 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <16FED49E-BD55-4964-9FF3-E1386FFA7482@mac.com> References: <13DD4EA6-81C7-4FE1-97FF-B2C4AB0BCCC1@ururk.com> <5B4A9271-4BD7-429A-BCC5-AFE65109D7EC@fotomotion.net> <16FED49E-BD55-4964-9FF3-E1386FFA7482@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:50 PM, John Griffin wrote: > One other thing that one has to keep in mind is that Cingular, claims > to have the fewest dropped calls. However according to Consumers > Reports it is among the worst and least reliable carriers in North > America. > > Why not Verizon? It is the top rated carrier in North America right > now (again, according to Consumers Reports). > > jg > ===================== If Cingular claims to have the fewest dropped calls, how can Verizon be be rated the top carrier? Seymour From tlmiller at mac.com Thu Jan 11 16:49:56 2007 From: tlmiller at mac.com (T.L. Miller) Date: Thu Jan 11 16:50:09 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: References: <13DD4EA6-81C7-4FE1-97FF-B2C4AB0BCCC1@ururk.com> <5B4A9271-4BD7-429A-BCC5-AFE65109D7EC@fotomotion.net> <16FED49E-BD55-4964-9FF3-E1386FFA7482@mac.com> Message-ID: <20070112004956.2065708367@smtp.mac.com> On 1/11/07, at 4:43 PM, Seymour Wolfson wolfson@wayne.edu said: >If Cingular claims to have the fewest dropped calls, how can Verizon be >be rated the top carrier? What if you don't good enough a signal to make the call? What if the reception is poor but the call doesn't get dropped? What if Cingular has terrible customer service? Tom Miller .................................................. "The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side." R.O.Clark ................................................... From ddelmonte at mac.com Thu Jan 11 17:29:44 2007 From: ddelmonte at mac.com (David DelMonte) Date: Thu Jan 11 17:29:52 2007 Subject: [Ti] iPhone, Treo & Steve - random thoughts... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rod, you might want to look at macgpspro. They have good GPS software that is quite compatible with Garmins. David On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:43 PM, Rod Duncan wrote: > In Canada, we have a couple of CDMA carriers - Telus and Bell. The > GSM carrier is Rogers. > > This month I am just finishing a 3-year contract with Telus. I had > already decided to sit on the fence and see what way the cell wind > was blowing. I recently purchased a no contract Treo 700P with a > guaranteed 30-day money back return policy. Was curious to test it > out and didn't think I would keep it - now I'm sure it's going > back. (Telus tried to sell me into the big discount price with the > multi-year commitment. Turns out the Treo is returnable but the > commitment sticks. Needless to say, I bought the phone outright and > opened it carefully with returning always... always in mind.) While > the Treo has a bevy of Mac software and utilities - it needs them. > (and some of them not cheap either) The Treo is *at best* unstable > and generally unfriendly. Sure you could learn to live with its > warts. (remember OS 7 and OSX beta?) However, I've crashed the Treo > more often than a Yugo with four bald tires. Apologies to the > legion of loyal Yugo owners - all two of you. At least Blackberries > are stable - they just don't like playing with Mac's. > > Comparatively, I was given a Garmin c530 touch screen automotive > GPS for Christmas - I know, spoiled. It worked fabulously out of > the box. Never even looked at the manual. You would of thought > Apple had built it. Very cool. It just works. Granted, Garmin has > been slow to offer Mac software but I was able to update the > software using Virtual PC and the new Intel machines would laugh > and do it in the background. Soon baby... soon. The Treo and its > Palm software? In my best Bart voice, "Groan..." > > If the Treo and its *suspect* Palm software is the best Smartphone > for the Mac then waiting for the OSX version of iPhone is a no- > brainer. Sure we can nitpick HD size and this and that but look at > what you are comparing it to? Beam me up Scotty versus sitting > banging a rock. By the time they get to offer it in Canada it will > be well into a subsequent version and most of the early adopter's > bugs will be well known and addressed. > > Job's has already called it an iPhone so regardless what it ends up > being officially called, he's already pulled down millions in free > advertising. Call it anything you want now, it will always be known > as the iPhone. The master orchestrates as only he can. You gotta' > love it. From a time when we borrowed $150M pocket lint from Mr. > Gates to protect an Apple platform just hanging on - to now. He > takes visionary to a new version. Doesn't hurt that form and > function are a mantra at Apple. > > Always nice when Apple raises the bar... again... > > R. > > >> > From: John Griffin ." >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? >>> >>> One other thing that one has to keep in mind is that Cingular, >>> claims >>> to have the fewest dropped calls. However according to Consumers >>> Reports it is among the worst and least reliable carriers in North >>> America. >>> >>> Why not Verizon? It is the top rated carrier in North America right >>> now (again, according to Consumers Reports). >>> >>> jg >> : >> >> That really has nothing to do with it. It is not about the >> carriers...it is >> about the tech. Verizon is CDMA and most of the world is GSM with >> SIM >> cards. So, apple is obviously interested in dealing with the >> majority of >> the market, globally. Cingular and T-Mobile are GSM in the >> states. So, >> they chose Cingular and they are GSM and the largest in the US as >> well. >> >> Apple might choose to build a CDMA version, there are various >> prognostications on that, but for now, they chose GSM, for obvious >> reasons. >> >> The US and Japan have some CDMA carriers...and a few other >> countries have >> small CDMA based cell carriers here and there, not many, but the >> vast >> majority of the world operates via GSM. >> >> Sorry..but maybe apple may choose to do a CDMA phone. I don't >> think so from >> what I have heard, but who knows. >> >> Ross, correct me if I am wrong. >> >> Cheers >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Titanium mailing list >> Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From dfz at mac.com Thu Jan 11 19:54:59 2007 From: dfz at mac.com (Dennis Fazio) Date: Thu Jan 11 19:55:10 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <30425c86e9f42f2b27ac7fc5eedda621@wayne.edu> References: <6fd6011b0701101029i668341fdo4d90f522ca73eb1b@mail.gmail.com> <30425c86e9f42f2b27ac7fc5eedda621@wayne.edu> Message-ID: <2F6AA3A0-A49B-4084-83DC-36F8F1E8186B@mac.com> On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Seymour Wolfson wrote: > My wife has a great idea for Apple. They should just call it the > "Apple" Phone. Maybe even replace the word Apple with the symbol. Go here: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070111_001476.html to see Bob Cringely's take on the iPhone/Cisco lawsuit and the reason for slower Edge-only capability, -- Dennis Fazio dfz@mac.com From dfz at mac.com Thu Jan 11 20:11:55 2007 From: dfz at mac.com (Dennis Fazio) Date: Thu Jan 11 20:12:06 2007 Subject: [Ti] Flash Drive for VM? In-Reply-To: <82888F11-A40B-4EDA-82D5-7379121A4AE1@consultant.com> References: <82888F11-A40B-4EDA-82D5-7379121A4AE1@consultant.com> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: > Is it possible to put Mac OS X virtual memory (VM) files on a flash > drive, to speed up our Powerbooks ? It's not clear it would be faster. Certainly the new SATA devices can do 1.5 or 3.0 GBit/s compared to the USB 2.0 normal flashdrive max throughput of 240Mbit/s (obtained from a USB info site). Though this is faster than the older ATA interface, SCSI, IDE, EIDE and SATA interfaces are designed specifically for high-speed disk access, usually with direct memory access (DMA), which is a fast pipe into memory. USB was designed for peripheral use, so it's not going to have the same kind of drivers and hardware data paths into memory that rotating mass storage has. This all assumes there would be enough room on the flash drive to even work. If you're the experimental type and have a multi-Gig flash drive, there are instructions on how to move your VM volume on the Internet. -- Dennis Fazio dfz@mac.com From wolfson at wayne.edu Thu Jan 11 22:35:09 2007 From: wolfson at wayne.edu (Seymour Wolfson) Date: Thu Jan 11 22:35:16 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <20070112004956.2065708367@smtp.mac.com> References: <13DD4EA6-81C7-4FE1-97FF-B2C4AB0BCCC1@ururk.com> <5B4A9271-4BD7-429A-BCC5-AFE65109D7EC@fotomotion.net> <16FED49E-BD55-4964-9FF3-E1386FFA7482@mac.com> <20070112004956.2065708367@smtp.mac.com> Message-ID: <2d74484faf9c34b44ea9a3aa7de5442f@wayne.edu> On Jan 11, 2007, at 4:49 PM, T.L. Miller wrote: > On 1/11/07, at 4:43 PM, Seymour Wolfson wolfson@wayne.edu said: > >> If Cingular claims to have the fewest dropped calls, how can Verizon >> be >> be rated the top carrier? > > > What if you don't good enough a signal to make the call? What if the > reception is poor but the call doesn't get dropped? What if Cingular > has > terrible customer service? > > Tom Miller > ============= OK - You win. Seymour From shawn at yourmaclife.com Mon Jan 15 13:50:00 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King) Date: Mon Jan 15 13:50:08 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <0FDB8FF3-DBAF-4FD5-A594-8120D70D11BE@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/10/07 10:56 AM, "Scott Smith" wrote: > Does anyone know whether the iPhone can > be pre-ordered from Apple at this point? No pre-orders yet. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com From shawn at yourmaclife.com Mon Jan 15 13:52:45 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King) Date: Mon Jan 15 13:52:48 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/11/07 4:43 PM, "Seymour Wolfson" wrote: > If Cingular claims to have the fewest dropped calls, how can Verizon be > be rated the top carrier? Ignore both claims. It's just marketing speak. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com From shawn at yourmaclife.com Mon Jan 15 13:54:22 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King) Date: Mon Jan 15 13:54:25 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <16FED49E-BD55-4964-9FF3-E1386FFA7482@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/11/07 12:50 PM, "John Griffin" wrote: > Why not Verizon? Verizon uses CDMA and Cingular has a better (for Apple) roadmap to the future. Besides, we have no idea if Apple went to Verizon and said, "Do this....." and Verizon said no. Remember, the Cingular CEO bragged that he had signed the contract with Apple without ever having seen the phone. Maybe Verizon balked at the contract terms from Apple. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com From shawn at yourmaclife.com Mon Jan 15 13:54:50 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King) Date: Mon Jan 15 13:54:54 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <7ef9c91c223414c7efda207b46df8f1a@usermail.com> Message-ID: On 1/10/07 7:41 PM, "Scott Strehlow" wrote: > > On Jan 10, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Tarik Bilgin wrote: > >> I hope that Apple have a proper 3g phone in the works, and that it >> supports some kind of VOIP gateway (e.g. SIP) like my Nokia E60 does, >> allowing me to make voip landline calls from anywhere that I have a >> 802.11 wireless connection. > > If it is truly running OS-X It's not. It's running a *version* of OS X. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com From shawn at yourmaclife.com Mon Jan 15 13:55:31 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King) Date: Mon Jan 15 13:55:36 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/10/07 7:28 PM, "Tarik Bilgin" wrote: > This seems to be a recent trend with Apple. They focus too much on > the casual iPod users and not enough on the people who use their > products for more than just leisure. Casual users outnumber others by a *huge* margin. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com From kgani at mac.com Mon Jan 15 14:20:41 2007 From: kgani at mac.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Kim_Gammelg=C3=A5rd?=) Date: Mon Jan 15 14:21:16 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30C89397-1526-4290-AA4E-896E1BCB3E85@mac.com> Sometimes you have to check ;-) http://www.amazon.de/Apple-iPhone-8GB-Handy/dp/B0002W4P0C/ At the moment the 6th best selling electronic item on Amazon.de Kind regards, Kim Den 15/01/2007 kl. 22.50 skrev Shawn King: > On 1/10/07 10:56 AM, "Scott Smith" wrote: > >> Does anyone know whether the iPhone can >> be pre-ordered from Apple at this point? > > No pre-orders yet. > -- > Shawn King > Host/Executive Producer > Your Mac Life > http://www.yourmaclife.com From alex at fotomotion.net Tue Jan 16 01:29:57 2007 From: alex at fotomotion.net (Alex) Date: Tue Jan 16 01:30:53 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why Cingular? easy GSM GSM is used in over 185 countries, in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Indonesia, Australia and much of Asia. Only a handful of countries use CDMA ? the USA, a few Asian countries, the Caribbean and parts of Central and South America Full lists of carriers globally can be found here http:// www.cellular-news.com/coverage/ Not to speak of the growth of 3G in the world generally and the up and coming 4G tech See more here http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Dec2005/2388.htm Alex On 15 Jan 2007, at 21:54, Shawn King wrote: On 1/11/07 12:50 PM, "John Griffin" wrote: > Why not Verizon? Verizon uses CDMA and Cingular has a better (for Apple) roadmap to the future. Besides, we have no idea if Apple went to Verizon and said, "Do this....." and Verizon said no. Remember, the Cingular CEO bragged that he had signed the contract with Apple without ever having seen the phone. Maybe Verizon balked at the contract terms from Apple. -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com _______________________________________________ Titanium mailing list Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From tarik at opalblue.com Tue Jan 16 01:38:55 2007 From: tarik at opalblue.com (Tarik Bilgin) Date: Tue Jan 16 01:39:21 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4244E3B6-69A6-424B-9383-D75EC36EAC64@opalblue.com> On 15 Jan 2007, at 21:55, Shawn King wrote: > > > > On 1/10/07 7:28 PM, "Tarik Bilgin" wrote: > >> This seems to be a recent trend with Apple. They focus too much on >> the casual iPod users and not enough on the people who use their >> products for more than just leisure. > > Casual users outnumber others by a *huge* margin. Agreed, but commitment to quality and innovation was one of the things that drew people like me to Apple in the first place. I now see a trend which worries me. -- Tarik From dfz at mac.com Tue Jan 16 07:23:40 2007 From: dfz at mac.com (Dennis Fazio) Date: Tue Jan 16 07:23:53 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <4244E3B6-69A6-424B-9383-D75EC36EAC64@opalblue.com> References: <4244E3B6-69A6-424B-9383-D75EC36EAC64@opalblue.com> Message-ID: <7B697AB4-DD8D-43E6-8C31-568D016DB044@mac.com> On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:38 AM, Tarik Bilgin wrote: >> On 1/10/07 7:28 PM, "Tarik Bilgin" wrote: >> >>> This seems to be a recent trend with Apple. They focus too much on >>> the casual iPod users and not enough on the people who use their >>> products for more than just leisure. >> >> Casual users outnumber others by a *huge* margin. > > Agreed, but commitment to quality and innovation was one of the > things that drew people like me to Apple in the first place. I now > see a trend which worries me. Quality and innovation are all over the iPhone; it's a truly revolutionary (or at least big evolutionary) step. The question of whether extended capability (for "power users" like some of us) is included is a bit of a different issue. It does have Bluetooth and WiFi and an OS X supervisor inside. I suspect that within a few weeks or a couple of months of its availability, you will see 3rd party hacks and applications that will open things up more. It happened with OS X. Apple will likely also expand capabilities with firmware upgrades, software upgrades or even new models, adopting some of the 3rd party capabilities into the system, again, just as they did with Macs and OS X. For an initial launch, when you have a complex product like this that does so much so differently, the best strategy is to keep it fairly simple so that lots of "ordinary folks" can get one, understand fairly quickly how to use it, and build a strong market. That's what made the iPod such a success in a market already filled with MP3 players and the original Palm Pilot such a hit. Afterwards, you can tinker with and add functionality a little at a time so as not to confuse everyone. -- Dennis Fazio dfz@mac.com From swamprat at crystal-mtn.com Tue Jan 16 07:27:36 2007 From: swamprat at crystal-mtn.com (dr) Date: Tue Jan 16 07:24:40 2007 Subject: [Ti] Howdy Group! Message-ID: <45ACEEE8.6020109@crystal-mtn.com> Hello folks, I'm new. As in completely new. I just purchased my very first Mac. I think I got a pretty good deal and I'm going to pick it up in person so hopefully I'll be able to check it out and see if it's all that the seller says it is. There's a link to it below if anyone wants to check it out.( sorry about the long link ). One thing I need is a power supply. I've read that Apple brand ones are really not very well made. Any advice on an alternative? Any general or specific advice will be sincerely appreciated. Looking forward to learning, Thanks, Dave http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=015&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=250071329240&rd=1&rd=1 From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Tue Jan 16 08:11:45 2007 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Tue Jan 16 08:12:10 2007 Subject: [Ti] Howdy Group! In-Reply-To: <45ACEEE8.6020109@crystal-mtn.com> References: <45ACEEE8.6020109@crystal-mtn.com> Message-ID: <50902830-952D-4FB8-94C4-89B4753455FB@consultant.com> On 16 Jan 2007, at 16:27, dr wrote: > Hello folks, > I'm new. As in completely new. welcome ! this list has every possible range of knowledge and experience, from complete beginner and a long way up. I hope you enjoy being on the List. > I just purchased my very first Mac. I think I got a pretty good > deal and I'm going to pick it up in person so hopefully I'll be > able to check it out and see if it's all that the seller says it > is. There's a link to it below if anyone wants to check it out. > ( sorry about the long link ). > One thing I need is a power supply. I've read that Apple brand > ones are really not very well made. Any advice on an alternative? > Any general or specific advice will be sincerely appreciated. Personally, I have never had a single problem with any Apple power supply. That is all I have ever used. > Looking forward to learning, If you are getting a Ti Powerbook from someone else - as seems to be the case - I would recommend that you wipe the disk completely with Disk Utility, install a brand new OS X. Then you do not inherit any issues or problems. Second, get yourself a suitable external drive for backup. regards, Trevor From ds1000309 at uid.onemain.com Tue Jan 16 08:31:49 2007 From: ds1000309 at uid.onemain.com (Don) Date: Tue Jan 16 08:32:00 2007 Subject: [Ti] Howdy Group! In-Reply-To: <45ACEEE8.6020109@crystal-mtn.com> References: <45ACEEE8.6020109@crystal-mtn.com> Message-ID: <45ACFDF5.3030707@uid.onemain.com> Dave... Congratulations! Looks like a good purchase. I can't advise you on a power block... I have a Ti 400 bought new and still going strong with the original block. Enjoy the Mac experience! Don dr wrote: > Hello folks, > I'm new. As in completely new. I just purchased my very first Mac. I > think I got a pretty good deal and I'm going to pick it up in person > so hopefully I'll be able to check it out and see if it's all that the > seller says it is. There's a link to it below if anyone wants to check > it out.( sorry about the long link ). > One thing I need is a power supply. I've read that Apple brand ones > are really not very well made. Any advice on an alternative? Any > general or specific advice will be sincerely appreciated. > > Looking forward to learning, Thanks, Dave > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=015&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=250071329240&rd=1&rd=1 > > _______________________________________________ From shawn at yourmaclife.com Tue Jan 16 08:47:15 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King) Date: Tue Jan 16 08:48:02 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT?] Macworld keynote In-Reply-To: <30C89397-1526-4290-AA4E-896E1BCB3E85@mac.com> Message-ID: On 1/15/07 2:20 PM, "Kim Gammelg?rd" wrote: > Sometimes you have to check ;-) > > http://www.amazon.de/Apple-iPhone-8GB-Handy/dp/B0002W4P0C/ > > At the moment the 6th best selling electronic item on Amazon.de Pretty remarkable for a device that, for all intents and purposes, doesn't exist yet. :) -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com From shawn at yourmaclife.com Tue Jan 16 08:48:35 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclife.com (Shawn King) Date: Tue Jan 16 08:48:38 2007 Subject: [Ti] OT: iPhone - shock ? In-Reply-To: <4244E3B6-69A6-424B-9383-D75EC36EAC64@opalblue.com> Message-ID: On 1/16/07 4:38 AM, "Tarik Bilgin" wrote: >> Casual users outnumber others by a *huge* margin. > > Agreed, but commitment to quality and innovation was one of the > things that drew people like me to Apple in the first place. And that's what Apple has done with the iPhone. > I now see a trend which worries me. What trend is that? -- Shawn King Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclife.com From ardeshir at mac.com Tue Jan 16 08:58:31 2007 From: ardeshir at mac.com (Ardeshir Mehta) Date: Tue Jan 16 08:59:03 2007 Subject: [Ti] Howdy Group! In-Reply-To: <50902830-952D-4FB8-94C4-89B4753455FB@consultant.com> References: <45ACEEE8.6020109@crystal-mtn.com> <50902830-952D-4FB8-94C4-89B4753455FB@consultant.com> Message-ID: <53DAAB50-01D6-43A9-9BDA-785AA0E03B84@mac.com> On 16-Jan-07, at 11:11 AM, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: > Second, get yourself a suitable external drive for backup. This is absolutely crucial. I lost a whole lot of data early on after I purchased my G4 TiBook in the year 2003 because I neglected this principle. +++++ On 16-Jan-07, at 11:11 AM, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: > On 16 Jan 2007, at 16:27, dr wrote: > >> Hello folks, >> I'm new. As in completely new. > > welcome ! this list has every possible range of knowledge and > experience, from complete beginner and a long way up. I hope you > enjoy being on the List. > >> I just purchased my very first Mac. I think I got a pretty good >> deal and I'm going to pick it up in person so hopefully I'll be >> able to check it out and see if it's all that the seller says it >> is. There's a link to it below if anyone wants to check it out. >> ( sorry about the long link ). >> One thing I need is a power supply. I've read that Apple brand >> ones are really not very well made. Any advice on an alternative? >> Any general or specific advice will be sincerely appreciated. > > Personally, I have never had a single problem with any Apple power > supply. That is all I have ever used. > >> Looking forward to learning, > > If you are getting a Ti Powerbook from someone else - as seems to > be the case - I would recommend that you wipe the disk completely > with Disk Utility, install a brand new OS X. > Then you do not inherit any issues or problems. > > Second, get yourself a suitable external drive for backup. > > regards, Trevor From jwegriffin at mac.com Tue Jan 16 11:01:52 2007 From: jwegriffin at mac.com (John Griffin) Date: Tue Jan 16 11:02:35 2007 Subject: [Ti] [OT