From ryan.dunwoodie at gmail.com Thu May 1 06:32:12 2008 From: ryan.dunwoodie at gmail.com (Ryan Dunwoodie) Date: Thu May 1 10:49:18 2008 Subject: [Ti] Weak Airport Signal. Message-ID: Hi. I posted a while ago about my powerbook G4 15" 1.67gz hi-res display, to have all of a sudden lost a lot of strength with its airport signal. Other exact same computers sitting next to mine experience full strength where mine is half to non existent. I received some good advise that my antenna may have become loose. Also the "double click" method of assuring the antenna is fully clicked in. I have opened up my laptop but just don't know what I'm looking at and cant seem to identify where the airport card is. Could someone please help me identify where my airport card and antenna is so I can see if it has in fact come loose. Thank you very much Ryan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/titanium/attachments/20080501/d6b872bc/attachment.html From fred at mindstate.com Mon May 5 16:42:51 2008 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Mon May 5 16:43:04 2008 Subject: [Ti] Weak Airport Signal. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Ryan Dunwoodie Subject: [Ti] Weak Airport Signal. Hi. I posted a while ago about my powerbook G4 15" 1.67gz hi-res display, to have all of a sudden lost a lot of strength with its airport signal. Other exact same computers sitting next to mine experience full strength where mine is half to non existent. I received some good advise that my antenna may have become loose. Also the "double click" method of assuring the antenna is fully clicked in. I have opened up my laptop but just don't know what I'm looking at and cant seem to identify where the airport card is. Could someone please help me identify where my airport card and antenna is so I can see if it has in fact come loose. Check out this guide...it will show you where and how if need be Cheers http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/PowerBook-G4-Al-15-Inch-1-5-1-67-BT-2-0-LR/64 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/titanium/attachments/20080505/c06f047a/attachment.html From kenjohnso at gmail.com Sun May 18 05:02:17 2008 From: kenjohnso at gmail.com (Ken Johnson) Date: Sun May 18 05:02:53 2008 Subject: [Ti] Broken display hinge on 1GHz Ti In-Reply-To: References: <462CA03DC33F324F9BBFBDBF112B479F625CA3@wdcxh01.mdnt.com> Message-ID: <33FD2E8B-97A6-4102-A140-01355D85B0DE@gmail.com> The left hinge just failed on my 1GHz Titanium PowerBook. Is this user replaceable? Are there directions / parts on-line? Or do I just take it to Apple for repair? Ken From strehlow at usermail.com Sun May 18 05:10:18 2008 From: strehlow at usermail.com (Scott Strehlow) Date: Sun May 18 05:10:57 2008 Subject: [Ti] Broken display hinge on 1GHz Ti In-Reply-To: <33FD2E8B-97A6-4102-A140-01355D85B0DE@gmail.com> References: <462CA03DC33F324F9BBFBDBF112B479F625CA3@wdcxh01.mdnt.com> <33FD2E8B-97A6-4102-A140-01355D85B0DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26C541A9-38B7-4C37-8BB6-E9DB0FBD728A@usermail.com> I bought a hinge for my TiBook 500Mhz a couple years ago on eBay. I don't recall how much it was, but it was not too bad. It is certainly worth a look if you are not under AppleCare. There have been a few discussions about the joys of opening the displays to get those hinges in and out. It can be done. It takes a bit of courage to pry at it to break the glue. I don't know if the 1GHz model has a different construction to my old one, but I expect they are similar. I had found very detailed directions on the web. On May 18, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Ken Johnson wrote: > The left hinge just failed on my 1GHz Titanium PowerBook. Is this > user replaceable? Are there directions / parts on-line? Or do I > just take it to Apple for repair? > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > From keifel.mailinglists at gmail.com Sun May 18 05:31:16 2008 From: keifel.mailinglists at gmail.com (keifel agostini) Date: Sun May 18 05:31:31 2008 Subject: [Ti] Broken display hinge on 1GHz Ti In-Reply-To: <33FD2E8B-97A6-4102-A140-01355D85B0DE@gmail.com> References: <462CA03DC33F324F9BBFBDBF112B479F625CA3@wdcxh01.mdnt.com> <33FD2E8B-97A6-4102-A140-01355D85B0DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2125F12F-F864-44A8-B3CB-F1D2412A98CF@gmail.com> these guys do a pretty good job of the hinge repair http://www.iresq.com/portables/hitlist-browse.php?subCat=iResQ_Hinge_Repair i've used them twice, on my 400 and a friend's 867 been very satisfied both times, not sure if they sell the hinges separately however. there is also this site with parts and take-apart guides http://www.ifixit.com/Categories/Titanium-DVI/33 k. From persip at gmail.com Sun May 18 23:30:12 2008 From: persip at gmail.com (Sam Ami) Date: Sun May 18 23:30:20 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all should my 17" itanium powerbook be able to read Dual Layer D... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sam Ami Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:20:43 +1000 Subject: Read Dual Layer DVD's ? To: itanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com should my 17" itanium powerbook be able to read Dual Layer DVD's ? From markymac99 at mac.com Mon May 19 03:45:58 2008 From: markymac99 at mac.com (Marcus Benjamin) Date: Mon May 19 03:46:11 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DDFBB6E-FB0E-4B6D-AC6E-22AA875B9F10@mac.com> Yes Once you have a DL burned it can be read in any DVD player. If you do not have a DL burner you can only burn Single Layer media. Marcus On May 19, 2008, at 1:30 AM, Sam Ami wrote: > Hi all > should my 17" itanium powerbook be able to read Dual Layer D... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sam Ami > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:20:43 +1000 > Subject: Read Dual Layer DVD's ? > To: itanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > should my 17" itanium powerbook be able to read Dual Layer DVD's ? > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/titanium/attachments/20080519/6b5b398f/attachment.html From persip at gmail.com Mon May 19 04:27:33 2008 From: persip at gmail.com (Sam Ami) Date: Mon May 19 04:27:47 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: <9DDFBB6E-FB0E-4B6D-AC6E-22AA875B9F10@mac.com> References: <9DDFBB6E-FB0E-4B6D-AC6E-22AA875B9F10@mac.com> Message-ID: strange, when i insert the DL DVD into my drive it just ejects the disc, yet on a colleagues macbook, it's read and mounted successfully.... On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Marcus Benjamin wrote: > Yes > Once you have a DL burned it can be read in any DVD player. > If you do not have a DL burner you can only burn Single Layer media. > Marcus > On May 19, 2008, at 1:30 AM, Sam Ami wrote: > > Hi all > should my 17" itanium powerbook be able to read Dual Layer D... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sam Ami > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:20:43 +1000 > Subject: Read Dual Layer DVD's ? > To: itanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > should my 17" itanium powerbook be able to read Dual Layer DVD's ? > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > From fred at mindstate.com Mon May 19 06:57:02 2008 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Mon May 19 07:00:29 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Sam Ami > Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? > > Hi all > should my 17" itanium powerbook be able to read Dual Layer D... I believe you have an aluminum, not a titanium powerbook as there were no 17" Ti books. Use your system profiler to see what optical drive is installed in your book. Early models of the aluminum books had various drives, some had original features crippled by the Apple firmware for stability reasons and could not burn dual layer. The final versions, 1.678GHz hi-res machines were totally functional and could burn dual layer discs. let us know what model your drive is and also what 17" book you have. Cheers From malcolm at fireflyuk.net Tue May 20 03:25:12 2008 From: malcolm at fireflyuk.net (Malcolm Cornelius) Date: Tue May 20 03:25:27 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Early models of the aluminum books had various > drives, some had original features crippled by the Apple firmware for > stability reasons and could not burn dual layer. Or they were just drives that didn't have DL functionality .... -- Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk From markymac99 at mac.com Tue May 20 04:17:38 2008 From: markymac99 at mac.com (Marcus Benjamin) Date: Tue May 20 04:17:50 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: References: <9DDFBB6E-FB0E-4B6D-AC6E-22AA875B9F10@mac.com> Message-ID: Are you inserting a blank DL DVD hoping to burn it on the 17" Powerbook? Most of the newer Macbooks & Macbook Pro's have DL burners. They were not standard back in the TiBook days. On May 19, 2008, at 6:27 AM, Sam Ami wrote: > strange, when i insert the DL DVD into my drive it just ejects the > disc, yet on a colleagues macbook, it's read and mounted > successfully.... > > > > > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Marcus Benjamin > wrote: >> Yes >> Once you have a DL burned it can be read in any DVD player. >> If you do not have a DL burner you can only burn Single Layer media. >> Marcus >> On May 19, 2008, at 1:30 AM, Sam Ami wrote: >> >> Hi all >> should my 17" itanium powerbook be able to read Dual Layer D... >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Sam Ami >> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:20:43 +1000 >> Subject: Read Dual Layer DVD's ? >> To: itanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> >> should my 17" itanium powerbook be able to read Dual Layer DVD's ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/titanium/attachments/20080520/53a5119f/attachment.html From ddelmonte at mac.com Tue May 20 06:35:41 2008 From: ddelmonte at mac.com (David Delmonte) Date: Tue May 20 06:35:46 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18BA11DF-A0CD-44E5-BA40-F53A6B782991@mac.com> If you go to "About this Mac" in the Apple menu (top left). Then click "More Information". Then scroll down to your ATA section. It'll show your DVD drive, and it will tell you the formats that it can read and write. David On May 20, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Malcolm Cornelius wrote: > Early models of the aluminum books had various > drives, some had original features crippled by the Apple firmware for > stability reasons and could not burn dual layer. Or they were just drives that didn't have DL functionality .... -- Best wishes Malcolm Cornelius - The Powerbook Fanatic http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk _______________________________________________ Titanium mailing list Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium From fred at mindstate.com Tue May 20 08:15:01 2008 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Tue May 20 08:15:16 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Malcolm Cornelius > Subject: Re: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? > >> Early models of the aluminum books had various >> drives, some had original features crippled by the Apple firmware for >> stability reasons and could not burn dual layer. > > Or they were just drives that didn't have DL functionality .... > Exactly. Depends on his model. Some had drives that, from the manufacture, could do dual-layer discs but Apple's firmware crippled the functionality for dual-layer. One could flash the drive and return it to it's manufacture specs. The only ones that had the dual-layer functionality from Apple were the last models, the 1.67 hi.res. After that, with the Macbook Pro, they all the dual-layer functionality. If he cks his system profiler, he can determine the model of his book and the drive and see what formats it supports. From persip at gmail.com Tue May 20 17:44:17 2008 From: persip at gmail.com (Sam Ami) Date: Tue May 20 17:44:34 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks to all for replying... it's a MATSHITADVD-R UJ-845E....how ill i know if my drive was firware clocked to not allow DL burning and if so can i unlock it ? On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Fred wrote: >> From: Malcolm Cornelius >> Subject: Re: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? >> >>> Early models of the aluminum books had various >>> drives, some had original features crippled by the Apple firmware for >>> stability reasons and could not burn dual layer. >> >> Or they were just drives that didn't have DL functionality .... >> > > Exactly. Depends on his model. Some had drives that, from the manufacture, > could do dual-layer discs but Apple's firmware crippled the functionality > for dual-layer. One could flash the drive and return it to it's manufacture > specs. The only ones that had the dual-layer functionality from Apple were > the last models, the 1.67 hi.res. After that, with the Macbook Pro, they > all the dual-layer functionality. If he cks his system profiler, he can > determine the model of his book and the drive and see what formats it > supports. > > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > From fred at mindstate.com Tue May 20 19:53:22 2008 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Tue May 20 19:54:03 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Sam Ami > Subject: Re: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? > > thanks to all for replying... > it's a MATSHITADVD-R UJ-845E....how ill i know if my drive was firware > clocked to not allow DL burning and if so can i unlock it ? > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Fred wrote: >>> From: Malcolm Cornelius >>> Subject: Re: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? What model book do you have...processor, etc. The 845E has the factory capabilities to burn dual layer but apple disabled them in the models the used in their PowerBooks. The 846 was used in the last powerbook models...the 1.67 Hi-Res and it does have full dual layer capabilities. This thread should be useful for info on this. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3948887 This site should be useful for any info you might need on firmware, flashing, etc. scroll down...look for your machine and see if there is any firmware avail be for your model of drive. http://www.powerbook-fr.com/dossiers/dvd_region_free_en_article30.html Cheers Fred From persip at gmail.com Tue May 20 20:36:58 2008 From: persip at gmail.com (Sam Ami) Date: Tue May 20 20:37:03 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi fred. i have a Powerbook5,7 G4 1.67Ghz if the 845E has the factory capabilities to burn dual layer DVD's is there a firmware patch to enable it... the links you send belowneither confirm or deny the firmware option. On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Fred wrote: >> From: Sam Ami >> Subject: Re: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? >> >> thanks to all for replying... >> it's a MATSHITADVD-R UJ-845E....how ill i know if my drive was firware >> clocked to not allow DL burning and if so can i unlock it ? >> >> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Fred wrote: >>>> From: Malcolm Cornelius >>>> Subject: Re: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? > > > What model book do you have...processor, etc. > The 845E has the factory capabilities to burn dual layer but apple disabled > them in the models the used in their PowerBooks. The 846 was used in the > last powerbook models...the 1.67 Hi-Res and it does have full dual layer > capabilities. > > This thread should be useful for info on this. > > http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3948887 > > > This site should be useful for any info you might need on firmware, > flashing, etc. scroll down...look for your machine and see if there is any > firmware avail be for your model of drive. > > http://www.powerbook-fr.com/dossiers/dvd_region_free_en_article30.html > > > Cheers > Fred > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Titanium mailing list > Titanium@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/titanium > From fred at mindstate.com Tue May 20 22:00:15 2008 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Tue May 20 22:00:35 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Sam Ami > Subject: Re: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? > > hi fred. > > i have a Powerbook5,7 G4 1.67Ghz > if the 845E has the factory capabilities to burn dual layer DVD's is > there a firmware patch to enable it... > the links you send belowneither confirm or deny the firmware option. >> What model book do you have...processor, etc. >> The 845E has the factory capabilities to burn dual layer but apple disabled >> them in the models the used in their PowerBooks. The 846 was used in the >> last powerbook models...the 1.67 Hi-Res and it does have full dual layer >> capabilities. >> >> This thread should be useful for info on this. >> >> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3948887 >> >> >> This site should be useful for any info you might need on firmware, >> flashing, etc. scroll down...look for your machine and see if there is any >> firmware avail be for your model of drive. >> >> http://www.powerbook-fr.com/dossiers/dvd_region_free_en_article30.html Sorry...this is more for region free. Not really needed with VLC. I am not sure if there is a firmware flash for your drive. You can always order a new drive to replace yours that is totally functional with dual layer from, for example, OWC. http/www.macsales.com Will ck and see. Cheers Fred From glenn at austin-home.com Tue May 20 22:56:41 2008 From: glenn at austin-home.com (Glenn L. Austin) Date: Tue May 20 22:56:53 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15417A30-90D8-4EB3-93C3-762BD8FD2116@austin-home.com> On May 20, 2008, at 10:00 PM, Fred wrote: >> From: Sam Ami >> Subject: Re: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? >> >> hi fred. >> >> i have a Powerbook5,7 G4 1.67Ghz >> if the 845E has the factory capabilities to burn dual layer DVD's is >> there a firmware patch to enable it... >> the links you send belowneither confirm or deny the firmware option. > >>> What model book do you have...processor, etc. >>> The 845E has the factory capabilities to burn dual layer but apple >>> disabled >>> them in the models the used in their PowerBooks. The 846 was used >>> in the >>> last powerbook models...the 1.67 Hi-Res and it does have full dual >>> layer >>> capabilities. >>> >>> This thread should be useful for info on this. >>> >>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3948887 >>> >>> >>> This site should be useful for any info you might need on firmware, >>> flashing, etc. scroll down...look for your machine and see if >>> there is any >>> firmware avail be for your model of drive. >>> >>> http://www.powerbook-fr.com/dossiers/dvd_region_free_en_article30.html > > Sorry...this is more for region free. Not really needed with VLC. > I am not sure if there is a firmware flash for your drive. You can > always > order a new drive to replace yours that is totally functional with > dual > layer from, for example, OWC. http/www.macsales.com > Will ck and see. > Cheers > Fred If dual-layer reading was "disabled," you couldn't play any movie longer than about 2 hours. Dual-layer burning, on the other hand, can be disabled without affecting any other feature. -- Glenn L. Austin <>< Computer Wizard and Race Car Driver From digital.discuss at gmail.com Wed May 21 06:28:14 2008 From: digital.discuss at gmail.com (MB) Date: Wed May 21 04:26:54 2008 Subject: [Ti] Reparing scratched screens on the titanium Message-ID: <20080521132814.1301315589@mail.messagingengine.com> In this age when you can repairs scratched CD's & DVD's isn't it feasible to repair your old but trusty Titanium display as well? I wonder on what might work or what actually does work if used well. I imagine some kind of liqiud and afterfinish method, but have no idea on where to start. Any suggestions? "The problems we have can not be solved by the same level of thinking that created them." --Albert Einstein From fred at mindstate.com Wed May 21 06:17:40 2008 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Wed May 21 06:17:53 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: <15417A30-90D8-4EB3-93C3-762BD8FD2116@austin-home.com> Message-ID: > From: "Glenn L. Austin" > Subject: Re: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? > > If dual-layer reading was "disabled," you couldn't play any movie > longer than about 2 hours. > > Dual-layer burning, on the other hand, can be disabled without > affecting any other feature. > Exactly. What is being referred to here is about the burning DL discs. From kgani at mac.com Wed May 21 06:25:48 2008 From: kgani at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kim_Gammelg=E5rd?=) Date: Wed May 21 06:25:59 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B8D4CF2-7B1B-4818-96B6-B958DEAA7320@mac.com> Den 21/05/2008 kl. 15.17 Fred responded: >> If dual-layer reading was "disabled," you couldn't play any movie >> longer than about 2 hours. >> >> Dual-layer burning, on the other hand, can be disabled without >> affecting any other feature. >> > > > Exactly. What is being referred to here is about the burning DL > discs. *grin* yes, exactly like the title says ;-) Kim From markymac99 at mac.com Wed May 21 18:01:31 2008 From: markymac99 at mac.com (Marcus Benjamin) Date: Wed May 21 18:01:43 2008 Subject: [Ti] Read Dual Layer DVD's ? - final thread - eom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F4078FA-DEE5-46B8-8A9E-07051CC583F2@mac.com> I have a 15" Powerbook G4 1.67. Same optical drive, it doesn't burn DL DVD's. ONLY the Powerbook5,8 & Powerbook5,9 had DL DVD Burners stock. End of thread. EVEN SO, this is a Powerbook Titanium list, you do not have one of these. Wrong list. Download & install this application. It is called MacTracker. http://mactracker.dreamhosters.com/ You can find out anything you want to know about any Mac model with it. MMMMkay??? Marcus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/titanium/attachments/20080521/a1e662f6/attachment.html From TrevorHutley at consultant.com Fri May 30 09:49:04 2008 From: TrevorHutley at consultant.com (Dr. Trevor J. Hutley) Date: Fri May 30 09:54:19 2008 Subject: [Ti] 10.5.3 Message-ID: The day it came out, I downloaded the massive (520 MB) Combo updater for 10.5.3, ran the update without problem, had to restart twice, and everything seems fine. I updated permissions before and after. On a separate topic: I was in town (Geneva) this afternoon, and saw a laptop (Acer?) with an 18.4" screen. I had never seen or heard of this size before. It was running a BluRay disk/demo. A generally impressive specification. Price CHF 1999, about $1900. I was a bit surprised or disappointed to see a PC with BluRay when there is no Mac laptop with such. I feel that Apple are no longer leading. There were about 20 other (mostly ugly) models of PC laptop with very good specifications, and low prices. Some very low. I hope for good news next week from WWDC. regards, Trevor From tlmiller at mac.com Fri May 30 10:00:53 2008 From: tlmiller at mac.com (T.L. Miller) Date: Fri May 30 10:06:54 2008 Subject: [Ti] 10.5.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080530170053.18943907@smtp.mac.com> On 5/30/08, at 6:49 PM, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley TrevorHutley@consultant.com said: >I was a bit surprised or disappointed to see a PC with BluRay when >there is no Mac laptop with such. I feel that Apple are no longer >leading. There were about 20 other (mostly ugly) models of PC laptop >with very good specifications, and low prices. Some very low. BlueRay only became the confirmed winner in the last several months, and I don't think Apple has had a product update since then. Tom Miller .................................................. "The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side." R.O.Clark ................................................... From david.stodolsky at socialinformatics.org Fri May 30 10:30:21 2008 From: david.stodolsky at socialinformatics.org (David Stodolsky) Date: Fri May 30 10:33:32 2008 Subject: [Ti] 10.5.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8216EC96-2DF3-48BC-B392-9ABACB127007@socialinformatics.org> On 30 May 2008, at 18:49, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: > > > > I was a bit surprised or disappointed to see a PC with BluRay when > there is no Mac laptop with such. I feel that Apple are no longer > leading. There were about 20 other (mostly ugly) models of PC > laptop with very good specifications, and low prices. Some very low. > Attachment just posted: dss David Stodolsky davidstodolsky@mac.com Skype: davidstodolsky Begin forwarded message: > From: David Stodolsky > Date: 30 May 2008 19:09:52 GMT+02:00 > To: Trevor Jacques > Cc: MacOS X Server List > Subject: Re: STOP FEEDING THE TROLL! Re: 10.5.3: Server Mail gets > even worse, kills incoming SMTP > > > On 30 May 2008, at 18:32, Trevor Jacques wrote: > >> Evidently, there are two main camps in the Server community: those >> who only intend to use what's under the hood; and those who see >> Apple's marketing and documentation about a GUI above all the Unix >> stuff and expect it to work as documented. Many times on the e-mail >> list and the discussion list, I've seen the 'under the hood' >> community humiliate the GUI community for having the gall to expect >> the product to work as advertised and documented. It's a rather >> unpleasant sight. > > Apple has effectively abandoned the small user, that is, anyone not > prepared to pay $6,000 / yr for a support contract. Unfortunately, > they have continued to market as they have before. As I and others > have pointed out, you can't believe anything coming out of Apple > about Server at this time. This marks the start of the decline of > Apple, which will hit Mac OS X client next. Actually, it already has > with a drop in quality and the outsourcing of repairs. The iPhone/ > iPod and AppleTV is where Apple is now innovating. We can see some > of the new stuff being retrofitted to the Mac OS after it is stable > there. Apple is a consumer electronics/phone/media giant now. Server > doesn't have much of a role in that picture. When client is no > longer important as a media platform, we can expect it to start its > slide out of existence. > > This List is populated by at least one arrogant know-it-all, who > seems only able to maintain his self esteem by heaping shit on > anyone not up to his 'standard'. Beyond this is a number of people > who have invested their careers in Mac Server and must reject any > criticism of Apple, no matter how justified it is. The fact that > Apple continues to market to the new user as a point-and-click > product that "just works" and that some of these people appear on > this List, since it is the only place where any support of Server > occurs, seems to be a fact they continue to ignore. > > > dss > > > > David Stodolsky davidstodolsky@mac.com Skype: davidstodolsky > > > From fred at mindstate.com Fri May 30 12:42:21 2008 From: fred at mindstate.com (Fred) Date: Fri May 30 12:46:14 2008 Subject: [Ti] 10.5.3 In-Reply-To: <8216EC96-2DF3-48BC-B392-9ABACB127007@socialinformatics.org> Message-ID: Wrong forum? > From: David Stodolsky > > Subject: Re: [Ti] 10.5.3 >> From: David Stodolsky >> Date: 30 May 2008 19:09:52 GMT+02:00 >> To: Trevor Jacques >> Cc: MacOS X Server List >> Subject: Re: STOP FEEDING THE TROLL! Re: 10.5.3: Server Mail gets >> even worse, kills incoming SMTP >> >> >> On 30 May 2008, at 18:32, Trevor Jacques wrote: >> >>> Evidently, there are two main camps in the Server community: those >>> who only intend to use what's under the hood; and those who see >>> Apple's marketing and documentation about a GUI above all the Unix >>> stuff and expect it to work as documented. Many times on the e-mail >>> list and the discussion list, I've seen the 'under the hood' >>> community humiliate the GUI community for having the gall to expect >>> the product to work as advertised and documented. It's a rather >>> unpleasant sight. >> >> Apple has effectively abandoned the small user, that is, anyone not >> prepared to pay $6,000 / yr for a support contract. Unfortunately, >> they have continued to market as they have before. As I and others >> have pointed out, you can't believe anything coming out of Apple >> about Server at this time. This marks the start of the decline of >> Apple, which will hit Mac OS X client next. Actually, it already has >> with a drop in quality and the outsourcing of repairs. The iPhone/ >> iPod and AppleTV is where Apple is now innovating. We can see some >> of the new stuff being retrofitted to the Mac OS after it is stable >> there. Apple is a consumer electronics/phone/media giant now. Server >> doesn't have much of a role in that picture. When client is no >> longer important as a media platform, we can expect it to start its >> slide out of existence. >> >> This List is populated by at least one arrogant know-it-all, who >> seems only able to maintain his self esteem by heaping shit on >> anyone not up to his 'standard'. Beyond this is a number of people >> who have invested their careers in Mac Server and must reject any >> criticism of Apple, no matter how justified it is. The fact that >> Apple continues to market to the new user as a point-and-click >> product that "just works" and that some of these people appear on >> this List, since it is the only place where any support of Server >> occurs, seems to be a fact they continue to ignore. >> From dfz at mac.com Fri May 30 14:16:52 2008 From: dfz at mac.com (Dennis Fazio) Date: Fri May 30 14:19:38 2008 Subject: [Ti] Re: Blueray in Macs [was 10.5.3] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F3BC082-BE41-45C8-B9A4-7B89816477DB@mac.com> On May 30, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Dr. Trevor J. Hutley wrote: > was a bit surprised or disappointed to see a PC with BluRay when > there is no Mac laptop with such. I feel that Apple are no longer > leading. There is speculation that Steve Jobs is thinking further ahead than BlueRay and that the format war caused enough delay to effectively kill off both options. He's moving on to Internet-based content; the need for physical media distribution of music and movies is coming to an end. No need for a BlueRay device in all the Macs. Those who want or need them badly enough can get firewire/USB externals. Most others will just go the AppleTV route. It's possible that as the pricing on the new drives comes down they can go in place of the existing DVD drives on new models. But that can wait a while. I don't think that those who want to produce and burn their own HD movies aren't there in large enough numbers yet because the cameras are still too pricey. -- Dennis Fazio From lawson at ipass.net Fri May 30 16:20:54 2008 From: lawson at ipass.net (Carter Lawson) Date: Fri May 30 16:21:06 2008 Subject: [Ti] Re: Blueray in Macs [was 10.5.3] In-Reply-To: <1F3BC082-BE41-45C8-B9A4-7B89816477DB@mac.com> References: <1F3BC082-BE41-45C8-B9A4-7B89816477DB@mac.com> Message-ID: <20080530232055.328919646@smtpauth.earthlink.net> at 5:16 PM (EDT) on 5/30/08 Dennis Fazio wrote: >There is speculation that Steve Jobs is thinking further ahead than >BlueRay and that the format war caused enough delay to effectively >kill off both options. He's moving on to Internet-based content; the >need for physical media distribution of music and movies is coming to >an end. No need for a BlueRay device in all the Macs. Those who want >or need them badly enough can get firewire/USB externals. Most others >will just go the AppleTV route. It's a real stretch to claim that forcing Mac buyers to accept an older DVD technology is evidence of thinking ahead. The speculation with which I'm familiar puts a somewhat less favorable face on this decision. It is that Jobs wants to push the Mac faithful to have no other HD viewing option other than AppleTV and thus boost sales of HD movies that way. After all, isn't this kind of behavior more like the Apple we all know where decisions aren't to benefit the end user so much as to benefit the bottom line, like any corporation? With broadband penetration still woefully low in the US compared to many other countries and with some forms of broadband imposing bandwidth limitations, internet distribution of HD movies for many is a long long way from being a reality and thus physical distribution will be here for many more years. Widespread adoption such a new distributional paradigm is likely to be much slower than many would hope given that it requires infrastructure that, as yet, is still not fully and reliably available. A more limited technology is never for our own good. Limiting our choices is not doing us any favors. Even if many would choose not to pay for it, having BluRay drives as an option on new Macs would benefit everyone but AppleTV HD sales. CL From maccare at gwi.net Fri May 30 17:58:28 2008 From: maccare at gwi.net (Ralph LEWIS) Date: Fri May 30 17:59:07 2008 Subject: [Ti] Re: Blueray in Macs [was 10.5.3] In-Reply-To: <20080530232055.328919646@smtpauth.earthlink.net> References: <1F3BC082-BE41-45C8-B9A4-7B89816477DB@mac.com> <20080530232055.328919646@smtpauth.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1955324C-1A9C-49FE-9DA2-9FC2FCBE5262@gwi.net> On May 30, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Carter Lawson wrote: > at 5:16 PM (EDT) on 5/30/08 Dennis Fazio wrote: > >> There is speculation that Steve Jobs is thinking further ahead than >> BlueRay and that the format war caused enough delay to effectively >> kill off both options. He's moving on to Internet-based content; the >> need for physical media distribution of music and movies is coming to >> an end. No need for a BlueRay device in all the Macs. Those who want >> or need them badly enough can get firewire/USB externals. Most others >> will just go the AppleTV route. > > It's a real stretch to claim that forcing Mac buyers to accept an > older > DVD technology is evidence of thinking ahead. > > After all, isn't this kind of behavior > more like the Apple we all know where decisions aren't to benefit the > end user so much as to benefit the bottom line, like any corporation? > This is the most insulting comment I have seen in a long time, In my long association servicing apple computers and their users, I have found Apple to be the most user friendly maker of equipment and software that I have ever run across. They are usually on the leading edge of technology, introducing new innovative technology far ahead of the industry and having their technology copied by the others. HDTV and Blueray have been in contention for some time. Blue ray is much more expensive but now that it seems to have won the technology war I am sure it will show up in Macintosh computers in the near future, and hopefully be lower in cost. Wait to see what develops. We have also progressed far beyond the Titanium Mac. New item are being introduced all the time. Get with it and see what comes out of Cupertino. From lawson at ipass.net Fri May 30 19:23:55 2008 From: lawson at ipass.net (Carter Lawson) Date: Fri May 30 19:26:23 2008 Subject: [Ti] Re: Blueray in Macs [was 10.5.3] In-Reply-To: <1955324C-1A9C-49FE-9DA2-9FC2FCBE5262@gwi.net> References: <1F3BC082-BE41-45C8-B9A4-7B89816477DB@mac.com> <20080530232055.328919646@smtpauth.earthlink.net> <1955324C-1A9C-49FE-9DA2-9FC2FCBE5262@gwi.net> Message-ID: <20080531022356.665465641@smtpauth.earthlink.net> at 8:58 PM (EDT) on 5/30/08 Ralph LEWIS wrote: >> After all, isn't this kind of behavior >> more like the Apple we all know where decisions aren't to benefit the >> end user so much as to benefit the bottom line, like any corporation? >> >This is the most insulting comment I have seen in a long time, In my >long association servicing apple computers and their users, I have >found Apple to be the most user friendly maker of equipment and >software that I have ever run across. Who did I insult? Forgive me for suggesting that Apple is in it for the money. I guess they just make these huge profits and high margins by accident? Yes, they've been highly successful making great equipment and that's why we're all Mac users and probably always will be. But they don't do it because they are filled with love for humanity. If there is a decision that will benefit the bottom line even if it hurts the user experience Apple won't hesitate to make it. It would be extremely silly of them to do otherwise. Macs don't have to be the best possible machines imaginable, just better than the other crap out there, not such a high bar actually. Apple's first and only loyalty is to the bottom line. Anything else would be irrational. Whatever else Jobs is, he isn't irrational. If you ever find yourself thinking otherwise you're drinking the kool aid. I have nothing against Apple. I've been a loyal customer since the Apple II (or ][ if you prefer). I've never owned any other type of computer (apart from a few PowerTower Mac clones), would never let anyone I care about own any other computer, raised my kids on Macs, run my business on Macs etc. etc. but one can be a loyal customer and still refuse to be naive about corporate behavior. CL