From ronmicha at midsouth.rr.com Thu Dec 1 05:41:25 2005 From: ronmicha at midsouth.rr.com (Ron Michael) Date: Thu Dec 1 05:41:34 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Keystroke Recorders In-Reply-To: References: <4A50085A-F737-41A1-99D5-A825E7E77B94@inductionconcepts.com> Message-ID: <438EFD85.1020508@midsouth.rr.com> I don't know of a specific keystroke logger detection program but I have one installed and it works. I think it's called Keystroke Logger. Do a Google search and there's a website regarding Mac security. Sorry. Can't remember that name either. There's one program that is pretty successful at hiding in your Mac system but if you can read about it, you can figure out how to detect if it's there. I'll see if I can find it and post more info when I get a chance. But I think that one is called Keystroke Recorder. I used it on Mac OS9 but don't know if it's available on OSX. Believe it or not, I was spying on myself. I used it to make sure what I typed was saved somewhere as a text file. Ron > From zzippy at cox.net Thu Dec 15 21:26:31 2005 From: zzippy at cox.net (Lawrence Klinger) Date: Thu Dec 15 21:24:40 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Has Tiger been tamed? Message-ID: Dear list. I've seen comments that Tiger has had a few bugs in it, to the degree that some who have upgraded from Panther, went back to Panther because Tiger had been so aggravating. (They deleted Tiger). I see where Tiger now has been upgraded to 10.4.3. I'm wondering if this latest version has overcome the issues that were discussed on this list. Is it advisable to make the Transition from 10.3.9 to 10.4.3, or would I be better off to wait a while longer for other bugs to be sorted out? I'll be grateful for comments and observations from those who have taken the plunge. Zippy From gibsonm at bigpond.net.au Fri Dec 16 01:39:14 2005 From: gibsonm at bigpond.net.au (Mark Gibson) Date: Fri Dec 16 01:39:40 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Has Tiger been tamed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 22:26 -0700 15/12/05, Lawrence Klinger wrote: >Dear list. >I've seen comments that Tiger has had a few bugs in it, to the degree that >some who have upgraded from Panther, went back to Panther because >Tiger had been so aggravating. (They deleted Tiger). > >I see where Tiger now has been upgraded to 10.4.3. I'm wondering if this >latest version has overcome the issues that were discussed on >this list. Is it advisable to make the Transition from 10.3.9 to 10.4.3, or >would I be better off to wait a while longer for other bugs to be sorted >out? > >I'll be grateful for comments and observations from those who have taken >the plunge. > >Zippy >_______________________________________________ >X-Apps mailing list >X-Apps@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-apps > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 Zippy, Well I've used it from 10.4.0 (currently on 10.4.3) and I've had no problems at all. -- Regards, Mark (}-: +61 (0)4 1927 7198 Skype / AIM / iChat: gibsonm1 Windows? 95: All the look of Mac OS with none of the features. From kirklists at wanadoo.fr Fri Dec 16 01:45:00 2005 From: kirklists at wanadoo.fr (Kirk McElhearn) Date: Fri Dec 16 01:45:13 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Has Tiger been tamed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A8AEECB-4E15-43DF-B6C4-3C724AF97BA6@wanadoo.fr> On Dec 16, 2005, at 10:39 AM, Mark Gibson wrote: > Well I've used it from 10.4.0 (currently on 10.4.3) and I've had no > problems at all. Some minor problems here, but nothing serious... Kirk Author of: Take Control of Customizing Microsoft Office http://www.mcelhearn.com/tcoo.html - - - - - - Read my blog: Kirkville -- http://www.mcelhearn.com Musings, Opinion and Miscellanea, on Macs, iPods and more Kirk McElhearn | Chemin de la Lauze | 05600 Guillestre | France From bill at wscd.biz Fri Dec 16 05:33:47 2005 From: bill at wscd.biz (William Scammell) Date: Fri Dec 16 05:33:51 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Has Tiger been tamed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:39 AM, Mark Gibson wrote: > At 22:26 -0700 15/12/05, Lawrence Klinger wrote: >> Dear list. >> [snip] >> I'll be grateful for comments and observations from those who have >> taken >> the plunge. >> Zippy >> _______________________________________________ > > Zippy, > Well I've used it from 10.4.0 (currently on 10.4.3) and I've had no > problems at all. > -- > Regards, > Mark Zippy, Mark, et al: Ditto here. Caveat: I bought a new Alum 6 months ago as I wanted to keep the Ti500 running on OS 9.2.2 as a backup. (It worked fine and I wasn't willing to wipe the drive and install OS X.) The Alum came with 10.4.0 and I've applied the various updates without so much as a hiccup. (Quark 6.5, however, is a completely different matter. grrr...) YMMV bill William Scammell Creative Director bill@wscd.biz vox: 781-956-3548 fax: 978-594-5290 From carlos.leal at qualdata.net Fri Dec 16 08:34:20 2005 From: carlos.leal at qualdata.net (Carlos Leal) Date: Fri Dec 16 08:34:26 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Has Tiger been tamed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88C9700D-772B-41CC-8984-E1740D19F8BF@qualdata.net> I'd say its time to take the plunge. On my last of the Titanium PBs 1Ghz with 1Gb RAM, the switch from 10.3.9 to Tiger has been smoother with each point release. One thing Tiger did solve for me was the intermittent Airport card not waking up with the rest of the system problem. This is definitely gone with Tiger and well worth the upgrade for this alone. --Carlos On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:26 PM, Lawrence Klinger wrote: > > > Dear list. > I've seen comments that Tiger has had a few bugs in it, to the > degree that > some who have upgraded from Panther, went back to Panther because > Tiger had been so aggravating. (They deleted Tiger). > > I see where Tiger now has been upgraded to 10.4.3. I'm wondering > if this > latest version has overcome the issues that were discussed on > this list. Is it advisable to make the Transition from 10.3.9 to > 10.4.3, or > would I be better off to wait a while longer for other bugs to be > sorted > out? > > I'll be grateful for comments and observations from those who have > taken > the plunge. > > Zippy From douglist at macnauchtan.com Fri Dec 16 09:35:37 2005 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Fri Dec 16 09:35:47 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Has Tiger been tamed? In-Reply-To: <88C9700D-772B-41CC-8984-E1740D19F8BF@qualdata.net> References: <88C9700D-772B-41CC-8984-E1740D19F8BF@qualdata.net> Message-ID: At 10:34 -0600 12/16/05, Carlos Leal wrote: >I'd say its time to take the plunge. Tiger still refuses to talk to my SE/30 file server running OS 7.5.1. Apple has said that they did it on purpose and, because of that, I shall probably move to Linux rather than try Tiger again. -- Applescript syntax is like English spelling: Roughly, but not thoroughly, thought through. From carlos.leal at qualdata.net Fri Dec 16 10:31:06 2005 From: carlos.leal at qualdata.net (Carlos Leal) Date: Fri Dec 16 10:31:13 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Has Tiger been tamed? In-Reply-To: References: <88C9700D-772B-41CC-8984-E1740D19F8BF@qualdata.net> Message-ID: <42ECE1D8-127A-4736-A12A-567C71D5C7AD@qualdata.net> Upgrading your SE/30 to OS 7.5.5 and using Shareway along with an Appletalk to Ethernet bridge or an intermediary machine, perhaps a pizza box Mac 6100 or similar that does Appletalk over ethernet natively, would be preferable to me rather than dropping OS X for the desktop. Not wanting to get into OS wars but as one who does use Linux servers amongst others, I'd recommend finding a workaround first. The break between Appleshare and Appleshare over IP seems a logical place for Apple to decide where backward compatibility should end. If your Tiger machine is a server, then go ahead to Linux as the benefits of Tiger as a server are not great enough for most individuals. Otherwise, I find OS X in general and the latest update, Tiger, to be too trouble-free to ignore. I do ignore some of the eye- candy Apple felt compelled to include in order to keep the software revenue stream going. The SE/30 is a great little box, I still have a travel case in the closet for it from when I used to fly cross-country with one weekly. Whenever I think of this, I appreciate my Powerbook even more. --Carlos On Dec 16, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Doug McNutt wrote: > At 10:34 -0600 12/16/05, Carlos Leal wrote: >> I'd say its time to take the plunge. > > Tiger still refuses to talk to my SE/30 file server running OS 7.5.1. > > Apple has said that they did it on purpose and, because of that, I > shall probably move to Linux rather than try Tiger again. > -- From pjrobar at areyoureallythatstupid.org Fri Dec 16 10:43:40 2005 From: pjrobar at areyoureallythatstupid.org (Philip J Robar) Date: Fri Dec 16 10:43:56 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Has Tiger been tamed? In-Reply-To: References: <88C9700D-772B-41CC-8984-E1740D19F8BF@qualdata.net> Message-ID: On Dec 16, 2005, at 9:35 AM, Doug McNutt wrote: > Tiger still refuses to talk to my SE/30 file server running OS 7.5.1. > > Apple has said that they did it on purpose and, because of that, I > shall probably move to Linux rather than try Tiger again. You know, as cool as it is to keep an SE/30 working, machines that run OS X and that would make a fine home server are practically free these days. Phil From lists at tntluoma.com Sat Dec 17 12:53:38 2005 From: lists at tntluoma.com (TjL) Date: Sat Dec 17 13:13:36 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Re: Has Tiger been tamed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9582-SnapperMsgD246FC56BFCA2FFB@[70.11.223.68]> ...... Original Message ....... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:26:31 -0700 "Lawrence Klinger" wrote: >. Is it advisable to make the Transition from 10.3.9 to 10.4.3, or >would I be better off to wait a while longer for other bugs to be sorted >out? > i've combo upgraded from 10.3.7? to 10.4.3 (meaning I have installed each X.0.0 release as it has come out using combo) and haven't had any problems to speak of. > From Robert at Ameeti.net Sat Dec 17 16:34:37 2005 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Sat Dec 17 16:34:41 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Has Tiger been tamed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:26 PM -0700, 12/15/05, Lawrence Klinger wrote: >I'll be grateful for comments and observations from those who have taken >the plunge. I've been using it since day 1 and have never experienced any problem on any of the >100 computers that suggested that would be better off moving back to Panther. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti Fax is stranger than fiction. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From ayon2 at sc.rr.com Sat Dec 17 18:39:04 2005 From: ayon2 at sc.rr.com (Andrew J. Yon III) Date: Sat Dec 17 18:39:11 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Has Tiger been tamed? YES !!!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EE74AC3-A4E2-4676-A10F-0BCCBC1A9562@sc.rr.com> > I'll be grateful for comments and observations from those who have > taken > the plunge. At present, in my Store/office/ Lab, and Home , I have Tiger on a collective of 8 machines. They consist of a variety of machines. I like all of my machines to be consistent and synchronized with each other so that, in my roaming around, they will all appear the same. I utilize business class Roadrunner, and at home residential Roadrunner, isync and .mac to accomplish that portion. I began with my lowest configuration, an imac 333 tray load, first. It is used by my hostess/ secretary, at the door, to log in customers and their broken equipment using quickbooks pro 5. It has preformed well since the beginning OSX and is now at X.4.3 . Next came the BW 400 and the rest followed shortly there after ( Imac 500 and 600 DV's , AGP 400, QS 867, and both MDD Firewire 800's). All of the machines have their own list of jobs to perform and are relied on heavily to do so. I use a variety of hubs, switches, and routers to maintain connectivity with each other , three printers, the internet, and my iDisk. I have absolutely no complaints so far with Tiger, so far that I can blame on it anyway. All of my machines have their own character and flavor. Of the few bugs that I have had down thru the line of OSX , the next update was there to fix them before I was even sure what caused them. Go ahead, Jump . It is a nice landing . Andy3 -- http://yonstech.com From hexstar at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 23:11:29 2005 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Mon Dec 19 23:11:32 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0512192311w75491475h39fb84c381d212c@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone. I've finally come out with Moire X v2.0 which has many new and improved features, here's the feature list: - From the Moire Color section you can chose whether to have it randomly change colors or you can specify a color of your choice, in addition in the Moire Color section you can specify settings such as line thickness (new!) - You can chose to have it randomly change shapes at intervals specified by the user from the screensaver preference panel - You can change the speed of the screensaver (new!) - You can specify the number of lines used in the screensaver (new!) - The preferences have been reorganized to look like the preferences do in the original Moire (new!) - You can chose from the preference panel to show a clock in the top right corner of the screen or not - You can chose from the following shapes: Diamond, Circle, Cross, Hour-Glass, Rectangle, Pentagram, Slash, Back-slash, Triangle, V, X, Dyson's Folly You can download the binary for free here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/moirex/moirev2-binary.zip?download and the source code can be freely downloaded here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/moirex/moirev2-source.zip?download . Any feedback you guys have on this new version of Moire X would be greatly appreciated. Enjoy! From peterstj at earthlink.net Thu Dec 22 12:05:51 2005 From: peterstj at earthlink.net (Peter Saint James) Date: Thu Dec 22 12:06:00 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated In-Reply-To: <5dc6fd9e0512192311w75491475h39fb84c381d212c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0512192311w75491475h39fb84c381d212c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ACA05EB-B577-4036-97D2-9B6CA5B23EE6@earthlink.net> Okay, here's your first feedback. You sent this message without even mentioning what Moire does. When I have seen this behavior, I have found that the sender of such messages does not think from the message recipient's viewpoint. Any product that person might produce would also probably follows the same pattern: it's not designed or documented from the user's viewpoint. You would be wise to start this message all over again. Introduce your subject in a polite way that does not assume knowledge the recipient is not likely to have or that they have nothing else to think about than you and your product. Before you do that, you might do well to look at your software, especially the documentation, and see if it needs the same treatment. Better yet, have someone else do it who knows nothing about the program and see if they understand it. Peter On 20 Dec 2005, at 1:11 AM, Hex Star wrote: > Hi everyone. I've finally come out with Moire X v2.0 which has many > new and improved features, here's the feature list: > > - From the Moire Color section you can chose whether to have it > randomly change colors or you can specify a color of your choice, in > addition in the Moire Color section you can specify settings such as > line thickness (new!) > - You can chose to have it randomly change shapes at intervals > specified by the user from the screensaver preference panel > - You can change the speed of the screensaver (new!) > - You can specify the number of lines used in the screensaver (new!) > - The preferences have been reorganized to look like the preferences > do in the original Moire (new!) > - You can chose from the preference panel to show a clock in the top > right corner of the screen or not > - You can chose from the following shapes: Diamond, Circle, Cross, > Hour-Glass, Rectangle, Pentagram, Slash, Back-slash, Triangle, V, X, > Dyson's Folly > > You can download the binary for free here: > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/moirex/moirev2-binary.zip?download > and the source code can be freely downloaded here: > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/moirex/moirev2-source.zip?download > . Any feedback you guys have on this new version of Moire X would be > greatly appreciated. Enjoy! > _______________________________________________ > X-Apps mailing list > X-Apps@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-apps > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 12:21:13 2005 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Dec 22 12:21:16 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated In-Reply-To: <6ACA05EB-B577-4036-97D2-9B6CA5B23EE6@earthlink.net> References: <5dc6fd9e0512192311w75491475h39fb84c381d212c@mail.gmail.com> <6ACA05EB-B577-4036-97D2-9B6CA5B23EE6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0512221221r2e74edd1xefc9bf2ae631005e@mail.gmail.com> Sorry about that, it was late when I sent this out and I was using a message I had sent to another mailing list who already had knowladge of the screensaver, I later realized that I didn't provide any real information on what the screensaver is but never got around to providing that info and I apologize. Moire X is a clone of the original Moire screensaver which was created by John Lim. Moire X allows users of Mac OS X to enjoy Moire rather then just users of Mac OS 9 and below as provided by the original Moire. There is a pretty good (IMO) collection of information on this screensaver which can be found in the news section of the Moire X sourceforge.net project area, here's the link: http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=151203 and the mainpage is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/moirex/ , you can also see screenshots of Moire X v2.0 here: http://moiress.com/ss/ . In addition I also recommend that for users of Mac OS X 10.3.9 and below you download this release of Moire X (v2.0.1): binary: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/moirex/moire2.0.1.binary.zip?download and source: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/moirex/moire2.0.1.source.zip?download as it fixes a bug users of Mac OS X 10.3.9 and below experienced where clicking the Option button to view the preferences for the screensaver did nothing except freeze the preview until the Preview button was clicked. Again I apologize for the initial lack of information I provided and hope now that you have this information you'll be willing to try out my screensaver and provide any feedback you may have. And of course, if you still feel you are in need of some information, feel free to let me know what information you need and I'll do my best to provide it to you. :-) On 12/22/05, Peter Saint James wrote: > > Okay, here's your first feedback. > > You sent this message without even mentioning what Moire does. When > I have seen this behavior, I have found that the sender of such > messages does not think from the message recipient's viewpoint. Any > product that person might produce would also probably follows the > same pattern: it's not designed or documented from the user's viewpoint. > > You would be wise to start this message all over again. Introduce > your subject in a polite way that does not assume knowledge the > recipient is not likely to have or that they have nothing else to > think about than you and your product. Before you do that, you might > do well to look at your software, especially the documentation, and > see if it needs the same treatment. Better yet, have someone else do > it who knows nothing about the program and see if they understand it. > > > Peter > > > > > On 20 Dec 2005, at 1:11 AM, Hex Star wrote: > > > Hi everyone. I've finally come out with Moire X v2.0 which has many > > new and improved features, here's the feature list: > > > > - From the Moire Color section you can chose whether to have it > > randomly change colors or you can specify a color of your choice, in > > addition in the Moire Color section you can specify settings such as > > line thickness (new!) > > - You can chose to have it randomly change shapes at intervals > > specified by the user from the screensaver preference panel > > - You can change the speed of the screensaver (new!) > > - You can specify the number of lines used in the screensaver (new!) > > - The preferences have been reorganized to look like the preferences > > do in the original Moire (new!) > > - You can chose from the preference panel to show a clock in the top > > right corner of the screen or not > > - You can chose from the following shapes: Diamond, Circle, Cross, > > Hour-Glass, Rectangle, Pentagram, Slash, Back-slash, Triangle, V, X, > > Dyson's Folly > > > > You can download the binary for free here: > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/moirex/moirev2-binary.zip?download > > and the source code can be freely downloaded here: > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/moirex/moirev2-source.zip?download > > . Any feedback you guys have on this new version of Moire X would be > > greatly appreciated. Enjoy! > > _______________________________________________ > > X-Apps mailing list > > X-Apps@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-apps > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > > stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > X-Apps mailing list > X-Apps@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-apps > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From pariahware at pariahware.com Thu Dec 22 14:26:34 2005 From: pariahware at pariahware.com (Pariahware, Inc.) Date: Thu Dec 22 14:26:41 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated In-Reply-To: <6ACA05EB-B577-4036-97D2-9B6CA5B23EE6@earthlink.net> References: <5dc6fd9e0512192311w75491475h39fb84c381d212c@mail.gmail.com> <6ACA05EB-B577-4036-97D2-9B6CA5B23EE6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Dec 22, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Peter Saint James wrote: > You sent this message without even mentioning what Moire does. If you don't know what it does then you're probably not interested. :P The rest of your message was just a rant. Christian Pariahware, Inc. Custom Software -- God loved you so much that He gave His only son Jesus. What have you done with God's gift? From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 22 16:21:16 2005 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Thu Dec 22 16:21:23 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated In-Reply-To: References: <5dc6fd9e0512192311w75491475h39fb84c381d212c@mail.gmail.com> <6ACA05EB-B577-4036-97D2-9B6CA5B23EE6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1A2E5FE3-0877-4099-9A2B-A66EF5916FCA@austin.rr.com> On Dec 22, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Pariahware, Inc. wrote: > On Dec 22, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Peter Saint James wrote: > >> You sent this message without even mentioning what Moire does. > > If you don't know what it does then you're probably not > interested. :P The rest of your message was just a rant. Having been in the software business for about 20 years, I can tell you its dead-on advice. If you're reading that and thinking "rant" instead of "yeah, that's exactly right", then you can probably learn something from it. SR From pariahware at pariahware.com Thu Dec 22 17:40:37 2005 From: pariahware at pariahware.com (Pariahware, Inc.) Date: Thu Dec 22 17:40:44 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated In-Reply-To: <1A2E5FE3-0877-4099-9A2B-A66EF5916FCA@austin.rr.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0512192311w75491475h39fb84c381d212c@mail.gmail.com> <6ACA05EB-B577-4036-97D2-9B6CA5B23EE6@earthlink.net> <1A2E5FE3-0877-4099-9A2B-A66EF5916FCA@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <91ED51B8-2654-4123-A092-F237A3B8E47A@pariahware.com> On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Steven Rogers wrote: > Having been in the software business for about 20 years, I can tell > you its dead-on advice. If you're reading that and thinking "rant" > instead of "yeah, that's exactly right", then you can probably > learn something from it. While I may not know everything about marketing, you're making assumptions about his target audience. Sometimes brand alone is enough. For example, those who miss the Moire screensaver would know what it was and take a look. All I was saying was the first responder's comments could have been made more gracefully, as could yours. Christian Pariahware, Inc. Custom Software -- God loved you so much that He gave His only son Jesus. What have you done with God's gift? From hexstar at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 17:46:22 2005 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Thu Dec 22 17:46:25 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated In-Reply-To: <91ED51B8-2654-4123-A092-F237A3B8E47A@pariahware.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0512192311w75491475h39fb84c381d212c@mail.gmail.com> <6ACA05EB-B577-4036-97D2-9B6CA5B23EE6@earthlink.net> <1A2E5FE3-0877-4099-9A2B-A66EF5916FCA@austin.rr.com> <91ED51B8-2654-4123-A092-F237A3B8E47A@pariahware.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0512221746s3a3d86f2y702bc3ea50e8fc1c@mail.gmail.com> For example, those who miss the Moire screensaver would know what it was and take a look. That's true, and partially what I'm going for as well, after all the more targeted the audience the more sure you can be that people will enjoy the screensaver and possibly even contribute to help make it even better, and as such I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone here would please be so kind as to try out my screensaver and provide me with any feedback on it you might have, thanks! :-) On 12/22/05, Pariahware, Inc. wrote: > On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Steven Rogers wrote: > > > Having been in the software business for about 20 years, I can tell > > you its dead-on advice. If you're reading that and thinking "rant" > > instead of "yeah, that's exactly right", then you can probably > > learn something from it. > > While I may not know everything about marketing, you're making > assumptions about his target audience. Sometimes brand alone is > enough. For example, those who miss the Moire screensaver would know > what it was and take a look. All I was saying was the first > responder's comments could have been made more gracefully, as could > yours. > > > Christian > Pariahware, Inc. Custom Software > > > -- > God loved you so much that He gave His only son Jesus. What have you > done with God's gift? > > > > _______________________________________________ > X-Apps mailing list > X-Apps@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-apps > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Fri Dec 23 07:20:15 2005 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Fri Dec 23 07:20:21 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated In-Reply-To: <91ED51B8-2654-4123-A092-F237A3B8E47A@pariahware.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0512192311w75491475h39fb84c381d212c@mail.gmail.com> <6ACA05EB-B577-4036-97D2-9B6CA5B23EE6@earthlink.net> <1A2E5FE3-0877-4099-9A2B-A66EF5916FCA@austin.rr.com> <91ED51B8-2654-4123-A092-F237A3B8E47A@pariahware.com> Message-ID: <8B381468-24DB-462F-BB8B-340698288EF6@austin.rr.com> On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Pariahware, Inc. wrote: > On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Steven Rogers wrote: > >> Having been in the software business for about 20 years, I can >> tell you its dead-on advice. If you're reading that and thinking >> "rant" instead of "yeah, that's exactly right", then you can >> probably learn something from it. > > While I may not know everything about marketing, you're making > assumptions about his target audience. Sometimes brand alone is > enough. For example, those who miss the Moire screensaver would > know what it was and take a look. No, it has nothing to do with "marketing". It has to do with software development process. > All I was saying was the first responder's comments could have been > made more gracefully, as could yours. The original poster asked for feedback, and he got some valuable direct comments. If a person can't handle direct feedback, developing good software will be very difficult. SR From hexstar at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 10:54:45 2005 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Fri Dec 23 10:54:47 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated In-Reply-To: <8B381468-24DB-462F-BB8B-340698288EF6@austin.rr.com> References: <5dc6fd9e0512192311w75491475h39fb84c381d212c@mail.gmail.com> <6ACA05EB-B577-4036-97D2-9B6CA5B23EE6@earthlink.net> <1A2E5FE3-0877-4099-9A2B-A66EF5916FCA@austin.rr.com> <91ED51B8-2654-4123-A092-F237A3B8E47A@pariahware.com> <8B381468-24DB-462F-BB8B-340698288EF6@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0512231054h30511649q1ce26366502195c3@mail.gmail.com> I can handle feedback fine and would like any that you guys could offer although admittedly feedback directly related to the workings of the screen saver would be best ;-) :-P On 12/23/05, Steven Rogers wrote: > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Pariahware, Inc. wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Steven Rogers wrote: > > > >> Having been in the software business for about 20 years, I can > >> tell you its dead-on advice. If you're reading that and thinking > >> "rant" instead of "yeah, that's exactly right", then you can > >> probably learn something from it. > > > > While I may not know everything about marketing, you're making > > assumptions about his target audience. Sometimes brand alone is > > enough. For example, those who miss the Moire screensaver would > > know what it was and take a look. > > No, it has nothing to do with "marketing". It has to do with software > development process. > > > All I was saying was the first responder's comments could have been > > made more gracefully, as could yours. > > The original poster asked for feedback, and he got some valuable > direct comments. If a person can't handle direct feedback, developing > good software will be very difficult. > > SR > _______________________________________________ > X-Apps mailing list > X-Apps@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-apps > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 23 12:18:25 2005 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Fri Dec 23 12:18:28 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated In-Reply-To: <8B381468-24DB-462F-BB8B-340698288EF6@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <20051223201825.45067.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys... Has not this subject been full explored by now - the holiday is upon us - let's all move on! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Steven Rogers wrote: > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Pariahware, Inc. wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Steven Rogers wrote: > > > >> Having been in the software business for about 20 > years, I can > >> tell you its dead-on advice. If you're reading > that and thinking > >> "rant" instead of "yeah, that's exactly right", > then you can > >> probably learn something from it. > > > > While I may not know everything about marketing, > you're making > > assumptions about his target audience. Sometimes > brand alone is > > enough. For example, those who miss the Moire > screensaver would > > know what it was and take a look. > > No, it has nothing to do with "marketing". It has to > do with software > development process. > > > All I was saying was the first responder's > comments could have been > > made more gracefully, as could yours. > > The original poster asked for feedback, and he got > some valuable > direct comments. If a person can't handle direct > feedback, developing > good software will be very difficult. > > SR > _______________________________________________ > X-Apps mailing list > X-Apps@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-apps > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From hexstar at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 18:41:38 2005 From: hexstar at gmail.com (Hex Star) Date: Fri Dec 23 18:41:41 2005 Subject: [X-SW] Moire X v2.0 released, feedback would be appreciated In-Reply-To: <20051223201825.45067.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8B381468-24DB-462F-BB8B-340698288EF6@austin.rr.com> <20051223201825.45067.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5dc6fd9e0512231841q6520ed9xc983f435a28c99f3@mail.gmail.com> v3 of Moire X has been released, this release contains all the features and bugfixes of Moire X v2.0.1, v2.0, and v1.0 and also contains the following new features: 1) Shape path randomized 2) Shape starts at different locations 3) Size reduced The binary can be downloaded here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/moirex/moirev3.binary.zip?download and the source code can be downloaded here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/moirex/moirev3.source.zip?download , both of course are completely free as usual and can be downloaded at any time, feedback if any is greatly appreciated. On 12/23/05, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > Guys... > > Has not this subject been full explored by now - the > holiday is upon us - let's all move on! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- Steven Rogers wrote: > > > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Pariahware, Inc. wrote: > > > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Steven Rogers wrote: > > > > > >> Having been in the software business for about 20 > > years, I can > > >> tell you its dead-on advice. If you're reading > > that and thinking > > >> "rant" instead of "yeah, that's exactly right", > > then you can > > >> probably learn something from it. > > > > > > While I may not know everything about marketing, > > you're making > > > assumptions about his target audience. Sometimes > > brand alone is > > > enough. For example, those who miss the Moire > > screensaver would > > > know what it was and take a look. > > > > No, it has nothing to do with "marketing". It has to > > do with software > > development process. > > > > > All I was saying was the first responder's > > comments could have been > > > made more gracefully, as could yours. > > > > The original poster asked for feedback, and he got > > some valuable > > direct comments. If a person can't handle direct > > feedback, developing > > good software will be very difficult. > > > > SR > > _______________________________________________ > > X-Apps mailing list > > X-Apps@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-apps > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > > Mac and random stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > > _______________________________________________ > X-Apps mailing list > X-Apps@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-apps > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >