On Thursday, Jul 31, 2003, at 21:51 Canada/Eastern, TheMacintoshLady wrote: > For two weeks I got the "hands on hips PROVE IT" garbage That shouldn't be a problem. Most of these worms are well known and thoroughly described. All you need to do is point the person to the site of an anti-virus utility manufacturer, such as Symantec. For instance, the w32.sobig.c at mm is one of the worms that uses -- among others -- .pif files; an adequate description can be found at http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/ w32.sobig.c at mm.html A reasonable person shouldn't need more. I shouldn't waste my time with the other kind. Life's too short. f