Thanks to those who responded and offered the different viewpoints. Part of my problem is not understanding where X puts things (after all I'm still using 8.1 and it's not only extremely stable but, for me, highly intuitive). I don't have the same degree of comfort, yet, with X and it has left me confused when I've dabbled with it on my wife's iBook. Stephen -- - "A man cannot step into the same river twice; for neither is it the same river nor is it the same man." Heraclitus c. 540- c. 480 BCE