At 12:36 PM -0400 4/15/04, Raoul Armfield wrote: >I believe this is an unmoderated list And that can be a wonderful thing. If you're on an un-moderated list and your sensibilities are offended by some list personas, you apply Usenet techniques. Killfile whomsoever you can't handle, grin & bear it, or find a list that is more suitable to your sensibilities. Because you certainly can't mandate a change in others... In any event, longtime denizens of these lists in particular know that there's a regularly quarterly blowout. The diehards and masochists hunker down or step away, the transients move on, new users join, and list life goes on. On these lists, good advice is given, opinions spouted, points argued, and usually the querent gets an answer along the way. But there is a conviction and a commitment to moving everyone forward. They (we) all mean well. The objective is to help one another. In the course of the exchange, other perhaps irrelevant communication happens. But there are other lists that are run by different rules. Sometimes the same people maintain separate personas in keeping with the nature of the lists themselves. What is truly offensive is intolerance. Seen a lot of it lately. So Charles is exuberant, opinionated and often abrasive. At some time past, I was one who took offense, carped at him, and countered some of his commentary (not his sigs). Then we got over it. Or I hope we did. But we co-exist, offer up some advice - some right, some wrong. There's always someone there to correct one's foolish pronouncements on anything Mac. I've had all of mine picked apart <g>. I've only ever encountered one mean-spirited, truly offensive, stick-up-the-ass pontificator on these lists. The sniping, mealy-mouthed digs and the marginally polite veneer renders their wealth of information truly an expensive burden. It's no wonder that they seem rarely thanked. [In that vein, and to whom it may concern: If your peacock went the way of the dodo, perhaps more would appreciate your owl?] If this post is in itself of offense to some, I apologise only for its length and can assure you that it shall remain my *only* entry in this thread. Of course, that also means that detractors or those in outright disagreements with my sentiments need not concern themselves with the possibility of my reply. Feel free to flame, chastise or vilify. I'll cheerfully read 'em, won't weep. It's all in the game. -- Deliberate rudeness is a valuable and effective way of sending messages, but inadvertent rudeness is simply an outward sign of an inner ineptitude. - The Underground Grammarian, Vol. 1, No. 8