Vard Nelson said: >As a list members I think we all might want to thank Mr. Singer. He is a >consistent contributor to this list and almost always offers concise, clear >and accurate information, [blush!] Thank you for the very kind words! >mostly devoid of self-serving advertising (with >the exception of the brief note in his signature by-line). And not even there. I no longer write for, or derive income from, The Macintosh Bible, and my troubleshooting Web site brings me no income whatsoever. (Nor do my half-dozen or so other Macintosh-related sites.) >Thanks, Randy, for the information, the advice, and the hyperlinks. Most of >us are not geeks but users, just trying to get our machines to work for us. I understand that well. That's why I try to stay away from recommending solutions that require using the command line, or which are overly involved or technical. Mostly, I am just trying to keep my machine working too. Most of us need to spend our time getting work done, not fiddling with our computers. Thanks Vard! Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) Routine OS X Maintenance and Generic Troubleshooting http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html