From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 5 10:27:12 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Wed Jul 5 10:27:45 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] "Tiger" vs "Leopard" that is the question... Message-ID: <20060705172712.62241.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Currently I'm using a OS X (10.3.9) "Panther" on my 733 Mhz Power PC G4 "QuickSilver" with 1.5 GB of SDRAM and of late I've been thinking of jumping to "Tiger" - better later than never! But with "Leopard" just around the block and coming on strong wouldn't it better to hold off another 60 days or so and then for go "Tiger" for "Leopard"? From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 5 10:27:25 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Wed Jul 5 10:27:58 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] "Tiger" vs "Leopard" that is the question... Message-ID: <20060705172726.62311.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Currently I'm using a OS X (10.3.9) "Panther" on my 733 Mhz Power PC G4 "QuickSilver" with 1.5 GB of SDRAM and of late I've been thinking of jumping to "Tiger" - better later than never! But with "Leopard" just around the block and coming on strong wouldn't it better to hold off another 60 days or so and then for go "Tiger" for "Leopard"? From kirklists at wanadoo.fr Wed Jul 5 10:30:45 2006 From: kirklists at wanadoo.fr (Kirk McElhearn) Date: Wed Jul 5 10:31:08 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] "Tiger" vs "Leopard" that is the question... In-Reply-To: <20060705172712.62241.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705172712.62241.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8A619479-3333-477E-900D-1563657216FF@wanadoo.fr> On Jul 5, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > Currently I'm using a OS X (10.3.9) "Panther" on my > 733 Mhz Power PC G4 "QuickSilver" with 1.5 GB of SDRAM > and of late I've been thinking of jumping to "Tiger" - > better later than never! > > But with "Leopard" just around the block and coming on > strong wouldn't it better to hold off another 60 days > or so and then for go "Tiger" for "Leopard"? Leopard won't be out in 60 days.... January 2007 is more likely. Best, Kirk Author of: How to Do Everything with Mac OS X Tiger http://www.mcelhearn.com/htde.html - - - - - - Read my blog: Kirkville -- http://www.mcelhearn.com Musings, Opinion and Miscellanea, on Macs, iPods and more From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 5 10:52:33 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 5 10:53:21 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] "Tiger" vs "Leopard" that is the question... In-Reply-To: <20060705172726.62311.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705172726.62311.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I like to keep several iterations of the OS on my various machines because sometimes plugins don't work as they should until updates are made. If you only have one machine, you might want to wait and consider that. If you're not worried about compatibility issues then go for it. I finally erased my 500 Mhz TiBook and installed Tiger and use it for a backup machine and wow, runs like a top. On Jul 5, 2006, at 1:27 PM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > Currently I'm using a OS X (10.3.9) "Panther" on my > 733 Mhz Power PC G4 "QuickSilver" with 1.5 GB of SDRAM > and of late I've been thinking of jumping to "Tiger" - > better later than never! > > But with "Leopard" just around the block and coming on > strong wouldn't it better to hold off another 60 days > or so and then for go "Tiger" for "Leopard"? From zzippy at cox.net Wed Jul 5 17:10:16 2006 From: zzippy at cox.net (Lawrence Klinger) Date: Wed Jul 5 17:07:36 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] "Tiger" vs "Leopard" that is the question... In-Reply-To: <20060705172712.62241.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 7/5/06 10:27 AM, "Richard Ramsowr" wrote: > Currently I'm using a OS X (10.3.9) "Panther" on my > 733 Mhz Power PC G4 "QuickSilver" with 1.5 GB of SDRAM > and of late I've been thinking of jumping to "Tiger" - > better later than never! > > But with "Leopard" just around the block and coming on > strong wouldn't it better to hold off another 60 days > or so and then for go "Tiger" for "Leopard"? > =========================================== I'm a cautious "belt and suspenders" guy myself. I like to wait until Apple has had an opportunity to work the bugs out of a new OS before buying it - usually right before the next version is due to come out. As an old codger, I don't use most of the goodies that come with the new programs, anyway, but feel having a later version OS makes my Mac more compatible with downloads I might import. I'm running Panther 10.3.9 like you are, and plan to buy Tiger in September or October. I'm also running a clunky iMac with only 512 mg of SDRAM, and 80 GB HD, so gotta be a bit conservative on what I import. Still I think Tiger will work out okay, being that the bugs are pretty well resolved by now. Zippy From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 5 23:57:09 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Wed Jul 5 23:57:18 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] "Tiger" vs "Leopard" that is the question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060706065709.81578.qmail@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thans for your input... Rick =========================================== --- Lawrence Klinger wrote: > On 7/5/06 10:27 AM, "Richard Ramsowr" > wrote: > > > Currently I'm using a OS X (10.3.9) "Panther" on > my > > 733 Mhz Power PC G4 "QuickSilver" with 1.5 GB of > SDRAM > > and of late I've been thinking of jumping to > "Tiger" - > > better later than never! > > > > But with "Leopard" just around the block and > coming on > > strong wouldn't it better to hold off another 60 > days > > or so and then for go "Tiger" for "Leopard"? > > > =========================================== > > I'm a cautious "belt and suspenders" guy myself. I > like to wait until > Apple has had an opportunity to work the bugs out of > a new OS > before buying it - usually right before the next > version is due to come > out. As an old codger, I don't use most of the > goodies that come > with the new programs, anyway, but feel having a > later version OS > makes my Mac more compatible with downloads I might > import. > > I'm running Panther 10.3.9 like you are, and plan to > buy Tiger in > September or October. I'm also running a clunky > iMac with only > 512 mg of SDRAM, and 80 GB HD, so gotta be a bit > conservative > on what I import. Still I think Tiger will work out > okay, being that > the bugs are pretty well resolved by now. > > Zippy > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From tjrichards at verizon.net Thu Jul 6 07:23:08 2006 From: tjrichards at verizon.net (Thomas Richards) Date: Thu Jul 6 07:23:53 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] (no subject) Message-ID: <20060706142308.78011.qmail@web84108.mail.dcn.yahoo.com> please take me off the mailing list. Thanks Tom Richards From chasm at mac.com Thu Jul 6 19:27:49 2006 From: chasm at mac.com (Charles Martin) Date: Thu Jul 6 19:27:59 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: "Tiger" vs "Leopard" that is the question... In-Reply-To: <20060706142358.11FCFD0C92@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20060706142358.11FCFD0C92@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <1A216E0F-BA2E-4098-8167-7CEC9D5C6833@mac.com> > From: Richard Ramsowr > But with "Leopard" just around the block and coming on > strong wouldn't it better to hold off another 60 days > or so and then for go "Tiger" for "Leopard"? Um, Mac OS X 10.5 (aka "Leopard") will NOT be available in "60 days or so." It is presently scheduled for early 2007 (probably January/ Macworld SF). Leopard will be TALKED ABOUT and SHOWN in some form at the WWDC in August, but that's for developers (and others who can pony up the $1,000+ for a ticket) only. If you want Tiger, buy Tiger. Leopard, when released, is likely to bring buckets of new features, and inevitably will "break" some software/hardware for a short period. Now, if you're me, you don't mind this and like being on the "bleeding edge." Most more sensible people prefer to wait a few weeks/months for bugs to get ironed out and software to get updated. Cheers Chas From randy at macattorney.com Sat Jul 8 13:37:07 2006 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Sat Jul 8 13:41:58 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Mac OS X Routine Maintenance Message-ID: <20060708204156.DF84ED7014@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Over the past few weeks I've drastically updated my Web site: Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html It is a free, non-commercial, reference designed for ordinary Macintosh users (not power users) to tell you how to do effective routine maintenance on your Macintosh running OS X. It not only tells you what to do, it tells you which utilities to use (with an emphasis on easy to use and free utilities) and where to get them. I hope that all Mac users find this site helpful! Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) "10 percent of computer users are Mac users, but remember, we are the top 10 percent." - Douglas Adams From chris at mymac.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 18 09:33:03 2006 From: chris at mymac.demon.co.uk (Chris) Date: Tue Jul 18 09:34:07 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Wireless Access Message-ID: <20060718163303.1701@post.demon.co.uk> Hi all, Does anyone know if 802.11g Macs can access a PEAP-based 802.1X wireless network and if so give me some clues as to how to set it up. I'm trying to access a wireless network at another University - needless to say all the setup instructions are for WinXP and the helpdesk is as much use as a chocolate fireguard. cheers, Chris From nacohen at mac.com Tue Jul 18 21:33:40 2006 From: nacohen at mac.com (Norman Cohen) Date: Tue Jul 18 21:33:51 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Wireless Access In-Reply-To: <20060718163303.1701@post.demon.co.uk> References: <20060718163303.1701@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <7FCB27F1-4BC6-4E25-9E28-7872E3277847@mac.com> Hi, PowerPC Macs are able to access LEAP and PEAP networks when running later updates to Tiger; however, currently MacBook Pros are having difficulties connecting to LEAP networks. I have been in recent contact with AppleCare about this problem and have provided the engineers the specific details of my work network. I'd suggest going to Apple's Discussion Forums and search for PEAP. Also, check the Apple tech notes as there are a few relevant to connecting to PEAP and LEAP networks. HTH, Norm --- Norman A. Cohen nacohen@mac.com "In physics, you don't have to go around making trouble for yourself - nature does it for you." Frank Wilczek On Jul 18, 2006, at 09:33 AM, Chris wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know if 802.11g Macs can access a PEAP-based 802.1X > wireless network and if so give me some clues as to how to set it up. > > I'm trying to access a wireless network at another University - > needless > to say all the setup instructions are for WinXP and the helpdesk is as > much use as a chocolate fireguard. > > cheers, > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From deetya at cbn.net.id Sun Jul 23 09:02:21 2006 From: deetya at cbn.net.id (Aldo) Date: Sun Jul 23 09:02:56 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Crashed USB HK isn't recognized by Mac Message-ID: <44C39D8D.2040208@cbn.net.id> I was copying stuff to an external USB harddisk when my Mac crashed. When I restarted, Disk Utility immediately popped up, saying that the external harddisk had problems. I tried to erase the disk, but then Disk Utility said it can't due to i/o error. I tried to erase the HD again, but Disk Utility then hanged. I had to force quit it. However, since then, I can't even get my Mac to recognize the external HD. It won't appear on the desktop, and on Disk Utility either. System Profiler can recognize it, but not Disk Utility. According to System Profiler, the HD is a "Journaled HFS+" file system. But how come Disk Utility and the Finder can't read it? I tried plugging and unplugging, I tried to connect it to another USB port, I tried restarting with the HD connected and running. All to no avail. How can I then erase/fix the HD? Does this mean I have to get another disk enclosure for the HD? Or does this mean that I need a brand new HD? Also, can a Mac crash really screw up the physical USB circuits? Or is it just a screwed s/w in the bowels of the OS somewhere? My Mac is Mac Mini sys10.4.1. The ext HD is a generic Myson Century, inc. HD inside a generic USB2.0 enclosure. Thanks in advance From zzippy at cox.net Sun Jul 23 09:33:45 2006 From: zzippy at cox.net (Lawrence Klinger) Date: Sun Jul 23 09:30:58 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Crashed USB HK isn't recognized by Mac In-Reply-To: <44C39D8D.2040208@cbn.net.id> Message-ID: Please tell us what OS you are using, and what kind of external HD. Larry ------------------------------------------------------------- On 7/23/06 9:02 AM, "Aldo" wrote: > I was copying stuff to an external USB harddisk when my Mac crashed. > When I restarted, Disk Utility immediately popped up, saying that the > external harddisk had problems. I tried to erase the disk, but then Disk > Utility said it can't due to i/o error. I tried to erase the HD again, > but Disk Utility then hanged. I had to force quit it. > > However, since then, I can't even get my Mac to recognize the external > HD. It won't appear on the desktop, and on Disk Utility either. System > Profiler can recognize it, but not Disk Utility. According to System > Profiler, the HD is a "Journaled HFS+" file system. But how come Disk > Utility and the Finder can't read it? > > I tried plugging and unplugging, I tried to connect it to another USB > port, I tried restarting with the HD connected and running. All to no > avail. > > How can I then erase/fix the HD? > > Does this mean I have to get another disk enclosure for the HD? Or does > this mean that I need a brand new HD? > > Also, can a Mac crash really screw up the physical USB circuits? Or is > it just a screwed s/w in the bowels of the OS somewhere? > > My Mac is Mac Mini sys10.4.1. The ext HD is a generic Myson Century, > inc. HD inside a generic USB2.0 enclosure. > > Thanks in advance > _______________________________________________ From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Sun Jul 23 10:03:48 2006 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Sun Jul 23 10:03:57 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Crashed USB HK isn't recognized by Mac In-Reply-To: <44C39D8D.2040208@cbn.net.id> References: <44C39D8D.2040208@cbn.net.id> Message-ID: <3AE015B6-BA37-4A28-96CD-6ECED7695FDF@austin.rr.com> On Jul 23, 2006, at 11:02 AM, Aldo wrote: > Does this mean I have to get another disk enclosure for the HD? Or > does this mean that I need a brand new HD? Its most likely hosed info on the disk that is keeping it in limbo as far as Disk Utility is concerned. Its not a blank disk, but also not a working disk. The easiest way out is to get a copy of Disk Warrior. You might try plugging it into a PC to erase it, as the PC might see it as an unformatted disk. After that, you can reformat it as HFS on the Mac. There are probably more complex ways to do it by erasing the volume using commands in the terminal. SR From chris at mymac.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 23 10:58:43 2006 From: chris at mymac.demon.co.uk (Chris) Date: Sun Jul 23 10:58:59 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] OpenBase Message-ID: <20060723175843.31759@post.demon.co.uk> Hi all, I recently downloaded a couple of free web templates. In fact these appear to be like mini content management systems using (probably) php and something called OpenBase. Now I run my machine as 'user' with no admin privileges. However OpenBase managed to install itself in the main applications folder (not user apps) with no permission either sought or given. This was simply by clicking on the 'template'. Whether or not OpenBase is OK, the fact is that an app was able to install without permission. Terminal did not open so AFAICT, it was not done via a terminal script. To add insult, when I tried to remove it from the admin account it even asked for permission to be moved, since it was owned by 'system'. I know "downloader beware" and all that, but I thought nothing could be installed in applications from a user account without admin permission? Any ideas why it should be able to do this? Is it a trojan? Possible, but OpenBase do have a web site, so an app of that name does exist. I should add that Little Snitch has not reported any attempts to phone home or anything of that sort, and all parts of the app have AFAIK now been removed. cheers, Chris From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Tue Jul 25 21:10:13 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Tue Jul 25 21:10:24 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears Message-ID: <7E8EEABB-1DDC-4A1F-83DB-6F6C1A469F5D@earthlink.net> I went to click on Photoshop in the dock and it had turned, along with Image Ready, into a white generic icon and it refused to open. The 2 applications in the Apps folder are the same. I started up in Safe mode and checked disk, all OK. What happened? Do I have a virus? How can I restore PS other than reinstalling? From robertmacleay at mac.com Tue Jul 25 22:22:21 2006 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Tue Jul 25 22:22:31 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <7E8EEABB-1DDC-4A1F-83DB-6F6C1A469F5D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 7/25/06 10:10 PM, "J" wrote: > I went to click on Photoshop in the dock and it had turned, along > with Image Ready, into a white generic icon and it refused to open. The first thing to do would be to use Disk Utility to Repair Disk Permissions. After doing this, you MAY find it necessary to drag the "bad" icons from the dock and replace them with new ones, but I am guessing not. From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Tue Jul 25 22:35:14 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Tue Jul 25 22:36:05 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have already taken the bad icons from the dock because repairing permissions has no effect on bad software that has turned into text that can only be opened by BBEdit Lite.. The whole application has also lost it's icon and can't be clicked on so they cannot be replaced. I have repaired the disk itself with Disk Utility while booted from the installer disk and the Permissions as well from the HD. (Each one must be done from the DVD and then HD respectively) I don't mind reinstalling Photoshop etc but I am worried there is something else that is wrong I have missed. I have also cleared my Spotlight by deleting the index by adding the whole HD to the Privacy pane. I can dump the Caches folder from the HD>Library(books)>Caches as well as the Fonts in there, but I don't think that's the problem. Will call ACPP tomorrow and ask if there might be anything else wrong. On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:22 AM, Robert MacLeay wrote: > On 7/25/06 10:10 PM, "J" wrote: > >> I went to click on Photoshop in the dock and it had turned, along >> with Image Ready, into a white generic icon and it refused to open. > > The first thing to do would be to use Disk Utility to Repair Disk > Permissions. > > After doing this, you MAY find it necessary to drag the "bad" icons > from the > dock and replace them with new ones, but I am guessing not. > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 00:10:48 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 26 00:10:59 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is what I did to try to fix this problem: - Ran Disk Repair from the DVD - Ran Permissions from the HD (have Macaroni turned off for now) - Cleared index in Spotlight and have that off (HD is in the privacy list) - Trashed the 2 Launch Services files from the HD>Library>Caches folder as well as the launch services prefs. (This just knocks out your file associations...) The problem is worse than just file associations I fear, because I finally trashed PS app altogether but when I reinstalled, the icons are still generic and the programs WON'T open. I fear something worse is wrong with the computer's HD. On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:35 AM, J wrote: > I have already taken the bad icons from the dock because repairing > permissions has no effect on bad software that has turned into text > that can only be opened by BBEdit Lite.. > > The whole application has also lost it's icon and can't be clicked > on so they cannot be replaced. > > I have repaired the disk itself with Disk Utility while booted from > the installer disk and the Permissions as well from the HD. (Each > one must be done from the DVD and then HD respectively) > > I don't mind reinstalling Photoshop etc but I am worried there is > something else that is wrong I have missed. > > I have also cleared my Spotlight by deleting the index by adding > the whole HD to the Privacy pane. > > I can dump the Caches folder from the HD>Library(books)>Caches as > well as the Fonts in there, but I don't think that's the problem. > > Will call ACPP tomorrow and ask if there might be anything else wrong. > > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:22 AM, Robert MacLeay wrote: > >> On 7/25/06 10:10 PM, "J" wrote: >> >>> I went to click on Photoshop in the dock and it had turned, along >>> with Image Ready, into a white generic icon and it refused to open. >> >> The first thing to do would be to use Disk Utility to Repair Disk >> Permissions. >> >> After doing this, you MAY find it necessary to drag the "bad" >> icons from the >> dock and replace them with new ones, but I am guessing not. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X-Newbies mailing list >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From robertmacleay at mac.com Wed Jul 26 06:42:15 2006 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Wed Jul 26 06:42:34 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What do you get when you do a "Get Info" on a Photoshop document? i.e., what application is associated with it? This is a software problem; hardware would not cause these symptoms. Do you have a program such as File Buddy which allows you to see the file type and creator codes of files/applications? What does the Photoshop application's codes look like when viewed with one? On 7/26/06 1:10 AM, "J" wrote: > This is what I did to try to fix this problem: > > - Ran Disk Repair from the DVD > - Ran Permissions from the HD (have Macaroni turned off for now) > - Cleared index in Spotlight and have that off (HD is in the privacy > list) > - Trashed the 2 Launch Services files from the HD>Library>Caches > folder as well as the launch services prefs. (This just knocks out > your file associations...) > > The problem is worse than just file associations I fear, because I > finally trashed PS app altogether but when I reinstalled, the icons > are still generic and the programs WON'T open. > > I fear something worse is wrong with the computer's HD. > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:35 AM, J wrote: > >> I have already taken the bad icons from the dock because repairing >> permissions has no effect on bad software that has turned into text >> that can only be opened by BBEdit Lite.. >> >> The whole application has also lost it's icon and can't be clicked >> on so they cannot be replaced. >> >> I have repaired the disk itself with Disk Utility while booted from >> the installer disk and the Permissions as well from the HD. (Each >> one must be done from the DVD and then HD respectively) >> >> I don't mind reinstalling Photoshop etc but I am worried there is >> something else that is wrong I have missed. >> >> I have also cleared my Spotlight by deleting the index by adding >> the whole HD to the Privacy pane. >> >> I can dump the Caches folder from the HD>Library(books)>Caches as >> well as the Fonts in there, but I don't think that's the problem. >> >> Will call ACPP tomorrow and ask if there might be anything else wrong. >> >> >> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:22 AM, Robert MacLeay wrote: >> >>> On 7/25/06 10:10 PM, "J" wrote: >>> >>>> I went to click on Photoshop in the dock and it had turned, along >>>> with Image Ready, into a white generic icon and it refused to open. >>> >>> The first thing to do would be to use Disk Utility to Repair Disk >>> Permissions. >>> >>> After doing this, you MAY find it necessary to drag the "bad" >>> icons from the >>> dock and replace them with new ones, but I am guessing not. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> X-Newbies mailing list >>> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >>> stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X-Newbies mailing list >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 07:38:54 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 26 07:39:17 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It won't let me reassociate it with PS because the application itself won't show up as anything but a generic text document even after I weeded out all PS files and reinstalled.. I have trashed the Launch services so that's not it anyway. Applecare said, update. I hope he's right. If I lose my Mail.app data, I'm screwed. :-) Pray. On Jul 26, 2006, at 9:42 AM, Robert MacLeay wrote: > What do you get when you do a "Get Info" on a Photoshop document? > i.e., what application is associated with it? > > This is a software problem; hardware would not cause these symptoms. > > Do you have a program such as File Buddy which allows you to see > the file > type and creator codes of files/applications? What does the Photoshop > application's codes look like when viewed with one? > > On 7/26/06 1:10 AM, "J" wrote: > >> This is what I did to try to fix this problem: >> >> - Ran Disk Repair from the DVD >> - Ran Permissions from the HD (have Macaroni turned off for now) >> - Cleared index in Spotlight and have that off (HD is in the privacy >> list) >> - Trashed the 2 Launch Services files from the HD>Library>Caches >> folder as well as the launch services prefs. (This just knocks out >> your file associations...) >> >> The problem is worse than just file associations I fear, because I >> finally trashed PS app altogether but when I reinstalled, the icons >> are still generic and the programs WON'T open. >> >> I fear something worse is wrong with the computer's HD. >> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:35 AM, J wrote: >> >>> I have already taken the bad icons from the dock because repairing >>> permissions has no effect on bad software that has turned into text >>> that can only be opened by BBEdit Lite.. >>> >>> The whole application has also lost it's icon and can't be clicked >>> on so they cannot be replaced. >>> >>> I have repaired the disk itself with Disk Utility while booted from >>> the installer disk and the Permissions as well from the HD. (Each >>> one must be done from the DVD and then HD respectively) >>> >>> I don't mind reinstalling Photoshop etc but I am worried there is >>> something else that is wrong I have missed. >>> >>> I have also cleared my Spotlight by deleting the index by adding >>> the whole HD to the Privacy pane. >>> >>> I can dump the Caches folder from the HD>Library(books)>Caches as >>> well as the Fonts in there, but I don't think that's the problem. >>> >>> Will call ACPP tomorrow and ask if there might be anything else >>> wrong. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:22 AM, Robert MacLeay wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/25/06 10:10 PM, "J" wrote: >>>> >>>>> I went to click on Photoshop in the dock and it had turned, along >>>>> with Image Ready, into a white generic icon and it refused to >>>>> open. >>>> >>>> The first thing to do would be to use Disk Utility to Repair Disk >>>> Permissions. >>>> >>>> After doing this, you MAY find it necessary to drag the "bad" >>>> icons from the >>>> dock and replace them with new ones, but I am guessing not. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> X-Newbies mailing list >>>> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >>>> >>>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >>>> stuff: >>>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> X-Newbies mailing list >>> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >>> stuff: >>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X-Newbies mailing list >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 08:34:38 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 26 08:35:27 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK I'm fixed. Thank goodness it was a small thing, but it sure gave me a big scare! Due to that scare, I now am updated, repaired, and BACKED UP, so something good came of it. Photoshop 7.0.1 and Image Ready need to have the .app appended or it will eventually lose its icon and the ability to open. A nice woman on the Apple Forum helped with that! Hopefully, end of story. I can no longer get PS for cheap, since I retired from teaching after 35 years, and 7.x does what I want, and was told it would work fine with Tiger. It has a few minor updates and it WAS working fine 'til this happened. But later versions of X want the .app on there. And so it shall be! Thanks for everyone's input. - J From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 26 08:40:22 2006 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Wed Jul 26 08:40:31 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27/7/2006 12:38 AM, "J" wrote: > It won't let me reassociate it with PS because the application itself > won't show up as anything but a generic text document even after I > weeded out all PS files and reinstalled.. > > I have trashed the Launch services so that's not it anyway. > > Applecare said, update. I hope he's right. If I lose my Mail.app > data, I'm screwed. :-) > > Pray. Do you have more than one account on your Mac? If so did you check if the problem was associated with just your account or was more fundamental. Sometimes software problems occur due to unexpected conflicts with in an account. If the problems are restricted to one or a limited number of accounts it can give a better indication of where to look for the problem. Prayer is of no use with these things, and the worst thing to do is to panic. Keep calm and simply keep working the problem. If you are not a member of Apple discussions, I would join now here: http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa If you do not have an Apple ID, create one, You do not have to have a .Mac account to participate in the discussions, but you need the ID to log-in to post questions. There are lots more minds there, and someone, somewhere may have the suggestion you need. Dr. Smoke can be found there too. If you are not familiar with his X-Labs troubleshooting website and book (I can recommend it). You can find it here: http://www.thexlab.com/ At the moment you are proving to yourself just how big the problem is. You need to work through things so as to find where the actual edges of the problem are and then work inwards from there. Keeping calm and being tenacious will help you solve this. Good luck Tony http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art From hondabarb at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 08:44:16 2006 From: hondabarb at yahoo.com (Barbara McDermott) Date: Wed Jul 26 08:44:22 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060726154416.65287.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Prayer is of no use with these things????? Why would you even say a thing like that? Stick to the techno stuff and leave religion out of it! Barb McDermott hondabarb@yahoo.com --- Tony Johansen wrote: > On 27/7/2006 12:38 AM, "J" > wrote: > > > It won't let me reassociate it with PS because the > application itself > > won't show up as anything but a generic text > document even after I > > weeded out all PS files and reinstalled.. > > > > I have trashed the Launch services so that's not > it anyway. > > > > Applecare said, update. I hope he's right. If I > lose my Mail.app > > data, I'm screwed. :-) > > > > Pray. > > Do you have more than one account on your Mac? If so > did you check if the > problem was associated with just your account or was > more fundamental. > Sometimes software problems occur due to unexpected > conflicts with in an > account. If the problems are restricted to one or a > limited number of > accounts it can give a better indication of where to > look for the problem. > > Prayer is of no use with these things, and the worst > thing to do is to > panic. Keep calm and simply keep working the > problem. > > If you are not a member of Apple discussions, I > would join now here: > > http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa > > If you do not have an Apple ID, create one, You do > not have to have a .Mac > account to participate in the discussions, but you > need the ID to log-in to > post questions. There are lots more minds there, and > someone, somewhere may > have the suggestion you need. Dr. Smoke can be found > there too. If you are > not familiar with his X-Labs troubleshooting website > and book (I can > recommend it). You can find it here: > > http://www.thexlab.com/ > > At the moment you are proving to yourself just how > big the problem is. You > need to work through things so as to find where the > actual edges of the > problem are and then work inwards from there. > > Keeping calm and being tenacious will help you solve > this. > > Good luck > > > Tony > http://www.tonyjohansen.com > A Life Of Art > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > Barb"I believe in angels." From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 26 08:54:58 2006 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Wed Jul 26 08:55:47 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 27/7/2006 1:34 AM, "J" wrote: > OK I'm fixed. > > Thank goodness it was a small thing, but it sure gave me a big scare! > Due to that scare, I now am updated, repaired, and BACKED UP, so > something good came of it. > > Photoshop 7.0.1 and Image Ready need to have the .app appended or it > will eventually lose its icon and the ability to open. > > A nice woman on the Apple Forum helped with that! Hopefully, end of > story. Congratulations, I saw your good news as soon as I posted my suggestions, and obviously you know all about Apple discussions. Would still recommend Dr Smokes troubleshooting guide just in case for future. And BTW is your back up a fully bootable clone of your hard drive? If not look into SuperDuper here: http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html Full weekly back ups to external media are so essential, and remove worry's like losing Mail files. Tony http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 26 08:57:30 2006 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Wed Jul 26 08:57:42 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <20060726154416.65287.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060726154416.65287.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F5F8FF8-1F50-47DB-B7CE-679BC12E3119@austin.rr.com> On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Barbara McDermott wrote: > Prayer is of no use with these things????? Why would > you even say a thing like that? Because that's how the prior post ended. SR From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 26 09:01:18 2006 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:02:06 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <20060726154416.65287.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 27/7/2006 1:44 AM, "Barbara McDermott" wrote: Stick to the techno > stuff and leave religion out of it! Exactly my thoughts, but I was in this case being a bit lighter than that anyway, as, I suspect, the lady with the photoshop may have been. Tony http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art . From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 09:07:07 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:07:14 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <20060726154416.65287.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060726154416.65287.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2739A87C-A919-4C48-AE60-804FA0B6C9F3@earthlink.net> Oh cut it out, it's just an expression! ;-) On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Barbara McDermott wrote: > Prayer is of no use with these things????? Why would > you even say a thing like that? Stick to the techno > stuff and leave religion out of it! Barb McDermott > hondabarb@yahoo.com > > --- Tony Johansen wrote: > >> On 27/7/2006 12:38 AM, "J" >> wrote: >> >>> It won't let me reassociate it with PS because the >> application itself >>> won't show up as anything but a generic text >> document even after I >>> weeded out all PS files and reinstalled.. >>> >>> I have trashed the Launch services so that's not >> it anyway. >>> >>> Applecare said, update. I hope he's right. If I >> lose my Mail.app >>> data, I'm screwed. :-) >>> >>> Pray. >> >> Do you have more than one account on your Mac? If so >> did you check if the >> problem was associated with just your account or was >> more fundamental. >> Sometimes software problems occur due to unexpected >> conflicts with in an >> account. If the problems are restricted to one or a >> limited number of >> accounts it can give a better indication of where to >> look for the problem. >> >> Prayer is of no use with these things, and the worst >> thing to do is to >> panic. Keep calm and simply keep working the >> problem. >> >> If you are not a member of Apple discussions, I >> would join now here: >> >> http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa >> >> If you do not have an Apple ID, create one, You do >> not have to have a .Mac >> account to participate in the discussions, but you >> need the ID to log-in to >> post questions. There are lots more minds there, and >> someone, somewhere may >> have the suggestion you need. Dr. Smoke can be found >> there too. If you are >> not familiar with his X-Labs troubleshooting website >> and book (I can >> recommend it). You can find it here: >> >> http://www.thexlab.com/ >> >> At the moment you are proving to yourself just how >> big the problem is. You >> need to work through things so as to find where the >> actual edges of the >> problem are and then work inwards from there. >> >> Keeping calm and being tenacious will help you solve >> this. >> >> Good luck >> >> >> Tony >> http://www.tonyjohansen.com >> A Life Of Art >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X-Newbies mailing list >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage >> Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > > Barb"I believe in angels." > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 09:10:35 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:11:29 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <4F5F8FF8-1F50-47DB-B7CE-679BC12E3119@austin.rr.com> References: <20060726154416.65287.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4F5F8FF8-1F50-47DB-B7CE-679BC12E3119@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Barb, honestly, why would I say a thing like that? Because it's a common expression people use especially when they are in a panic even if they are not religious? Where do you come from? Are you that scared of that word that it can't be used as an expression? What person who has had a serious computer problem, never said 'pray!' in the generic sense of the term for comic relief and who would EVER take it to mean something 'religious'? You're being a bit ridiculous here. Thanks for making me laugh. On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Steven Rogers wrote: > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Barbara McDermott wrote: > >> Prayer is of no use with these things????? Why would >> you even say a thing like that? > > Because that's how the prior post ended. > > SR > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 09:12:36 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:12:45 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tony, and what country do YOU come from? ;-) Is this generation so jaded they don't even get the most common expression used in times like this? Wow I'm flabbergasted. On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Tony Johansen wrote: > Prayer is of no use with these things, and the worst thing to do is to > panic. Keep calm and simply keep working the problem. From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 09:13:19 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:14:14 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34FA3A50-1B3F-41CB-97DB-18371FE13056@earthlink.net> The mail files are a problem....hard to reitroduce them after a full wipe/clean install. On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Tony Johansen wrote: > On 27/7/2006 1:34 AM, "J" wrote: > >> OK I'm fixed. >> >> Thank goodness it was a small thing, but it sure gave me a big scare! >> Due to that scare, I now am updated, repaired, and BACKED UP, so >> something good came of it. >> >> Photoshop 7.0.1 and Image Ready need to have the .app appended or it >> will eventually lose its icon and the ability to open. >> >> A nice woman on the Apple Forum helped with that! Hopefully, end of >> story. > > Congratulations, I saw your good news as soon as I posted my > suggestions, > and obviously you know all about Apple discussions. > > Would still recommend Dr Smokes troubleshooting guide just in case for > future. > > And BTW is your back up a fully bootable clone of your hard drive? > If not > look into SuperDuper here: > > http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html > > Full weekly back ups to external media are so essential, and remove > worry's > like losing Mail files. > > > Tony > http://www.tonyjohansen.com > A Life Of Art > > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 09:15:24 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:15:36 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7DC94F16-A448-40AB-8FF8-B3DDCD8E74E3@earthlink.net> Well I'm grateful for that comment because I can't believe anyone would even comment on that exclamation which I am sure EVERY techie in trouble has used generically at one time or another! No one has 'brought religion into it'! I'm really laughing now. I'm not religious, but hearing that exclamation would not cause me to be upset and certainly would not making me think anyone was bringing religion into it! LOL I wonder what country y'all are from? On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Tony Johansen wrote: > On 27/7/2006 1:44 AM, "Barbara McDermott" wrote: > > Stick to the techno >> stuff and leave religion out of it! > > Exactly my thoughts, but I was in this case being a bit lighter > than that > anyway, as, I suspect, the lady with the photoshop may have been. > > Tony > http://www.tonyjohansen.com > A Life Of Art > > . > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jul 26 09:37:44 2006 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (Tony Johansen) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:37:52 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <7DC94F16-A448-40AB-8FF8-B3DDCD8E74E3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 27/7/2006 2:15 AM, "J" wrote: > Well I'm grateful for that comment because I can't believe anyone > would even comment on that exclamation which I am sure EVERY techie > in trouble has used generically at one time or another! > No one has 'brought religion into it'! I'm really laughing now. I'm > not religious, but hearing that exclamation would not cause me to be > upset and certainly would not making me think anyone was bringing > religion into it! LOL > > I wonder what country y'all are from? The way you and I used the expression is how I hear it used in similar situations all the time, but I am continually amazed by how easy it is to upset some peoples sensitivities. I am sure Barbara didn't realise the association between desperation and the word as used here and my response which only meant "don't panic". If Barbara is reading this, I apologise for upsetting you, no harm was intended. BTW I'm in Sydney, and it seems we are a particularly profane lot down here. And I am pleased your PS is working again. Tony http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 09:43:21 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 26 09:43:28 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08FAF519-3E3B-4D63-8D1C-187286B02445@earthlink.net> Ok thanks Tony! I'm in no way shape or form religious, however, I do practice TOLERANCE of those who are since it's essential to everyone's freedom of thought. Bottom line is, that comment is so common in times like that, I can't see how anyone would take it any other way. I certainly hope they have not been so brainwashed by public education that the only thing they feel is worthy of someone's allegiance is the government. - J (tolerant in the Free State of NH, where we have less government and more freedom) On Jul 26, 2006, at 12:37 PM, Tony Johansen wrote: > On 27/7/2006 2:15 AM, "J" wrote: > >> Well I'm grateful for that comment because I can't believe anyone >> would even comment on that exclamation which I am sure EVERY techie >> in trouble has used generically at one time or another! > > >> No one has 'brought religion into it'! I'm really laughing now. I'm >> not religious, but hearing that exclamation would not cause me to be >> upset and certainly would not making me think anyone was bringing >> religion into it! LOL >> >> I wonder what country y'all are from? > > The way you and I used the expression is how I hear it used in similar > situations all the time, but I am continually amazed by how easy it > is to > upset some peoples sensitivities. I am sure Barbara didn't realise the > association between desperation and the word as used here and my > response > which only meant "don't panic". > > If Barbara is reading this, I apologise for upsetting you, no harm was > intended. > > BTW I'm in Sydney, and it seems we are a particularly profane lot > down here. > And I am pleased your PS is working again. > > > Tony > http://www.tonyjohansen.com > A Life Of Art > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From hondabarb at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 10:38:58 2006 From: hondabarb at yahoo.com (Barbara McDermott) Date: Wed Jul 26 10:39:07 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060726173858.86814.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure didn't mean to open a can of worms here. I AM being overly sensitive. I would usually never respond to a statement........"Prayer will not help in this situation." I know you were talking about a frustrating computer problem and not injecting a religious opinion. Chalk it up to the fact that I have two relatives dying in my hometown of Syracuse and I cannot get there for a few days. Prayer is what I am using to get myself through this. Sorry about my sharp reply and lack of sense about thinking things through before I speak. Please everyone have a good day. Barb McD hondabarb@yahoo.com --- Tony Johansen wrote: > On 27/7/2006 2:15 AM, "J" > wrote: > > > Well I'm grateful for that comment because I can't > believe anyone > > would even comment on that exclamation which I am > sure EVERY techie > > in trouble has used generically at one time or > another! > > > > No one has 'brought religion into it'! I'm really > laughing now. I'm > > not religious, but hearing that exclamation would > not cause me to be > > upset and certainly would not making me think > anyone was bringing > > religion into it! LOL > > > > I wonder what country y'all are from? > > The way you and I used the expression is how I hear > it used in similar > situations all the time, but I am continually amazed > by how easy it is to > upset some peoples sensitivities. I am sure Barbara > didn't realise the > association between desperation and the word as used > here and my response > which only meant "don't panic". > > If Barbara is reading this, I apologise for > upsetting you, no harm was > intended. > > BTW I'm in Sydney, and it seems we are a > particularly profane lot down here. > And I am pleased your PS is working again. > > > Tony > http://www.tonyjohansen.com > A Life Of Art > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > Barb"I believe in angels." From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jul 26 10:58:06 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jul 26 10:58:22 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <20060726173858.86814.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060726173858.86814.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OK Barb, no offense taken. And my sympathies for your family situation. As I said, I am not religious, but like to think I am tolerant of those who are since that is what helps them carry through life and it's often better than drugs or alcohol. To me, in this instance, 'pray' just meant, 'I hope I hope I hope!' And all is well with my computer at least. :-) On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Barbara McDermott wrote: > Sure didn't mean to open a can of worms here. I AM > being overly sensitive. I would usually never respond > to a statement........"Prayer will not help in this > situation." I know you were talking about a > frustrating computer problem and not injecting a > religious opinion. Chalk it up to the fact that I have > two relatives dying in my hometown of Syracuse and I > cannot get there for a few days. Prayer is what I am > using to get myself through this. Sorry about my sharp > reply and lack of sense about thinking things through > before I speak. Please everyone have a good day. Barb > McD hondabarb@yahoo.com > > --- Tony Johansen wrote: > >> On 27/7/2006 2:15 AM, "J" >> wrote: >> >>> Well I'm grateful for that comment because I can't >> believe anyone >>> would even comment on that exclamation which I am >> sure EVERY techie >>> in trouble has used generically at one time or >> another! >> >> >>> No one has 'brought religion into it'! I'm really >> laughing now. I'm >>> not religious, but hearing that exclamation would >> not cause me to be >>> upset and certainly would not making me think >> anyone was bringing >>> religion into it! LOL >>> >>> I wonder what country y'all are from? >> >> The way you and I used the expression is how I hear >> it used in similar >> situations all the time, but I am continually amazed >> by how easy it is to >> upset some peoples sensitivities. I am sure Barbara >> didn't realise the >> association between desperation and the word as used >> here and my response >> which only meant "don't panic". >> >> If Barbara is reading this, I apologise for >> upsetting you, no harm was >> intended. >> >> BTW I'm in Sydney, and it seems we are a >> particularly profane lot down here. >> And I am pleased your PS is working again. >> >> >> Tony >> http://www.tonyjohansen.com >> A Life Of Art >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X-Newbies mailing list >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage >> Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > > Barb"I believe in angels." > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Wed Jul 26 11:16:38 2006 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Wed Jul 26 11:16:49 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <08FAF519-3E3B-4D63-8D1C-187286B02445@earthlink.net> References: <08FAF519-3E3B-4D63-8D1C-187286B02445@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9F61A02A-6A07-4988-A616-BD236B603FB0@austin.rr.com> On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:43 AM, J wrote: > I'm in no way shape or form religious, however, I do practice > TOLERANCE of those who are since it's essential to everyone's > freedom of thought. Actually, freedom of thought hinges on whether the *government* is restricted from advancing or persecuting any particular ideology. As individuals, we're obligated to respect property - e.g. the Klansman sign, but we are not obligated to respect what is written on it. "Tolerance" is a purposefully vague word used by people who want to confuse respect for property (which is our legal obligation and a foundation of freedom) and respect for the ideas of others for no reason other than the fact that other people have them. We have to "tolerate" the opinions of others in the sense that we cannot physically attack them because we don't like what they say, and we cannot destroy their property, however the very essence of intellectual freedom is to be free from the requirement to *intellectually* tolerate the opinions of those we disagree with. Celebrate freedom - refuse to grant unearned respect to a position you disagree with. Do it today! SR From scott-xlists at scotist.com Wed Jul 26 14:48:52 2006 From: scott-xlists at scotist.com (Scott) Date: Wed Jul 26 14:49:03 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <34FA3A50-1B3F-41CB-97DB-18371FE13056@earthlink.net> References: <34FA3A50-1B3F-41CB-97DB-18371FE13056@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <031D5083-7063-4F05-BF1E-329B53A9C621@scotist.com> On Jul 26, 2006, at 9:13 AM, J wrote: > The mail files are a problem....hard to reitroduce them after a > full wipe/clean install. > If using Mail.app, here's how: 1. Before wiping and reinstalling, backup these two items: ("~" means your home folder.) ~/Library/Mail ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist 2. After reinstalling, and before launching Mail, restore those two items to the identical locations. -- Scott From wilann at telusplanet.net Wed Jul 26 19:58:48 2006 From: wilann at telusplanet.net (W Lane) Date: Wed Jul 26 19:59:13 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401EC6FA-BA8A-4FB9-AC99-926D2F923766@telusplanet.net> On 06-Jul-26, at 8:38 AM, J wrote: > Applecare said, update. I hope he's right. If I lose my Mail.app > data, I'm screwed. :-) Thank goodness for the good backup, done daily just in case of an eventuality such as this. From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Thu Jul 27 00:29:39 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Thu Jul 27 00:29:50 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <031D5083-7063-4F05-BF1E-329B53A9C621@scotist.com> References: <34FA3A50-1B3F-41CB-97DB-18371FE13056@earthlink.net> <031D5083-7063-4F05-BF1E-329B53A9C621@scotist.com> Message-ID: I've done that but wonder, if the accounts are not set up in the exact same way, will the mail still show up? I mean for example things that are variable like what you call the mail account? On Jul 26, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Scott wrote: > > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 9:13 AM, J wrote: >> The mail files are a problem....hard to reitroduce them after a >> full wipe/clean install. >> > > > If using Mail.app, here's how: > > 1. Before wiping and reinstalling, backup these two items: > ("~" means your home folder.) > > ~/Library/Mail > ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist > > 2. After reinstalling, and before launching Mail, restore those two > items to the identical locations. > > -- > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From scott-xlists at scotist.com Thu Jul 27 01:29:50 2006 From: scott-xlists at scotist.com (Scott) Date: Thu Jul 27 01:30:00 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: References: <34FA3A50-1B3F-41CB-97DB-18371FE13056@earthlink.net> <031D5083-7063-4F05-BF1E-329B53A9C621@scotist.com> Message-ID: <1F9A7A69-D3EC-42DC-A176-FBF4499F2E71@scotist.com> That's why you grab the com.apple.mail.plist file, and the Mail folder, *before* you launch Mail on the newly wiped machine. The plist has the account setups already, so you don't have to go back in and try to set them up again. The rules and signatures are saved in the Mail folder, along with the mailboxes. I've used this method for years, though more often when transferring to a new machine than when wiping/restoring, but it works either way. So far: iBook G3 ->Ti 400mhz ->Ti 867 ->17" PB ->the old iBook ->17" PB (new HD installed)->MacBook. -- Scott On Jul 27, 2006, at 12:29 AM, J wrote: > I've done that but wonder, if the accounts are not set up in the > exact same way, will the mail still show up? I mean for example > things that are variable like what you call the mail account? > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Scott wrote: > >> >> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 9:13 AM, J wrote: >>> The mail files are a problem....hard to reitroduce them after a >>> full wipe/clean install. >>> >> >> >> If using Mail.app, here's how: >> >> 1. Before wiping and reinstalling, backup these two items: >> ("~" means your home folder.) >> >> ~/Library/Mail >> ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist >> >> 2. After reinstalling, and before launching Mail, restore those >> two items to the identical locations. >> >> - From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 27 06:21:58 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Thu Jul 27 06:22:06 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Fliping hard drive duties... Message-ID: <20060727132158.54707.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Morning all... I?ve got a Power PC ?Quicksilver? 733MHz with two hard drives. A 40 GB hard drive which is my Main Bootable drive and a second 60GB hard drive which is my backup drive. I?ve just added a new SuperDrive (DVD) which is starting to solve a lot of my ?backup? needs. So I?m looking to flip these hard drives around so that the 60 GB is the principle drive (Bootable) and the other one is a secondary drive for OS 9 (Classic) and some short term backup duties. How do I go about this task and what software do I need to get the job done with out messing the whole computer up? Thanks for your input... Rick From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Thu Jul 27 08:47:43 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Thu Jul 27 08:47:53 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Photoshop disappears In-Reply-To: <1F9A7A69-D3EC-42DC-A176-FBF4499F2E71@scotist.com> References: <34FA3A50-1B3F-41CB-97DB-18371FE13056@earthlink.net> <031D5083-7063-4F05-BF1E-329B53A9C621@scotist.com> <1F9A7A69-D3EC-42DC-A176-FBF4499F2E71@scotist.com> Message-ID: <8CEBBF37-88C7-4D88-AE3D-326E53E3BEC8@earthlink.net> Thanks Scott. Even just that plist would be helpful. I can copy out the information on the emails I've saved, which I should have done before anyway. On Jul 27, 2006, at 4:29 AM, Scott wrote: > That's why you grab the com.apple.mail.plist file, and the Mail > folder, *before* you launch Mail on the newly wiped machine. The > plist has the account setups already, so you don't have to go back > in and try to set them up again. > > The rules and signatures are saved in the Mail folder, along with > the mailboxes. > > I've used this method for years, though more often when > transferring to a new machine than when wiping/restoring, but it > works either way. > > So far: iBook G3 ->Ti 400mhz ->Ti 867 ->17" PB ->the old iBook - > >17" PB (new HD installed)->MacBook. > > > -- > Scott > > On Jul 27, 2006, at 12:29 AM, J wrote: > >> I've done that but wonder, if the accounts are not set up in the >> exact same way, will the mail still show up? I mean for example >> things that are variable like what you call the mail account? >> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Scott wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 26, 2006, at 9:13 AM, J wrote: >>>> The mail files are a problem....hard to reitroduce them after a >>>> full wipe/clean install. >>>> >>> >>> >>> If using Mail.app, here's how: >>> >>> 1. Before wiping and reinstalling, backup these two items: >>> ("~" means your home folder.) >>> >>> ~/Library/Mail >>> ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist >>> >>> 2. After reinstalling, and before launching Mail, restore those >>> two items to the identical locations. >>> >>> - > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Thu Jul 27 08:50:24 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Thu Jul 27 08:50:33 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Spotlight settings In-Reply-To: <1F9A7A69-D3EC-42DC-A176-FBF4499F2E71@scotist.com> References: <34FA3A50-1B3F-41CB-97DB-18371FE13056@earthlink.net> <031D5083-7063-4F05-BF1E-329B53A9C621@scotist.com> <1F9A7A69-D3EC-42DC-A176-FBF4499F2E71@scotist.com> Message-ID: <58BA6D7A-74BE-4D96-9DA8-2D1B51BDA152@earthlink.net> I have put my whole HD into the Privacy pane on Spotlight and no longer have problems with mail messages not showing up in the preview pane! This was done as a troubleshooting method but now I like it that way and will keep it except for one folder. How do I just add the Documents folder for example, for it to index? I do not want it doing a two hour indexing of the whole drive. I suppose I will have to drag individual stuff to the Privacy and then leave out the Docs folder but this seems backward to me. The checkboxes are just what will be displayed and not indexed? Or yes? From wilann at telusplanet.net Thu Jul 27 09:31:13 2006 From: wilann at telusplanet.net (W Lane) Date: Thu Jul 27 09:32:06 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Fliping hard drive duties... In-Reply-To: <20060727132158.54707.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060727132158.54707.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 06-Jul-27, at 7:21 AM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > How do I go about this task and what software do I > need to get the job done with out messing the whole > computer up? System Prefs>Startup Disk and make your selection there. From outdoor at kxs.net Thu Jul 27 19:00:18 2006 From: outdoor at kxs.net (Joel Byron) Date: Thu Jul 27 19:00:29 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Netscape Message-ID: Is there a way to import the "sent", "drafts", "inbox" and other mail folders into Netscape (version 7.2) on the iMac? It looks like Netscape will only import Eudora or Communicator 4.x and not mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x-newbies/attachments/20060727/f0194658/attachment.html