From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 09:06:33 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Fri Nov 3 09:06:40 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Englis-Spanish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jorge, There is a relatively expensive solution that I think you can find by searching macupdate.com There is however, also a fully freeware option, but it will require you to install Fink at http://fink.sourceforge.net/ When you have installed Fink, you can install a package called "stardict" ( you can see a description at http://stardict.sourceforge.net/). This is a great app with a large variety of dictionaries supporting many languages ( for example Danish-English, Indonesian-Danish, English-Indonesian, Spanish, etc.). I use it almost everyday, but you should be aware that your mileage will vary depending on which language and dictionary combinations you are using. Good luck. Brian On 10/28/06, Jorge Parada wrote: > Is anyone familiar with an English-Spanish, Spanish to English dictionary > for Mac OS X? > > > Jorge D. Parada > jorgedaniel@mac.com From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Fri Nov 3 09:16:12 2006 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Fri Nov 3 09:16:22 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Englis-Spanish In-Reply-To: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Brian Durant wrote: > Hi Jorge, > > There is a relatively expensive solution that I think you can find by > searching macupdate.com There is however, also a fully freeware > option, but it will require you to install Fink at > http://fink.sourceforge.net/ When you have installed Fink, you can > install a package called "stardict" Apart from stardict, I would recommend using MacPorts over Fink. http://www.macports.org/ (used to be called DarwinPorts). It's another package system like Fink, its just a lot smoother. You can also get stardict through MacPorts. Some of the old info on MacPorts is still at the DarwinPorts site: http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ (the manual, install tips, etc.) SR From blanc.cyril at wanadoo.fr Fri Nov 3 21:40:38 2006 From: blanc.cyril at wanadoo.fr (cyril blanc) Date: Fri Nov 3 21:40:46 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Englis-Spanish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the Systran translator's widget delivered with Mac OS is quite good and is free example : > Is anyone familiar with an English-Spanish, Spanish to English > dictionary for Mac OS X? come out : ?Es cualquier persona familiar con un ingl?s-, espa?ol al diccionario ingl?s para OS X del mac? Best Cyril ----------------------------------------------------------- My Mail is filtered by Personal Antispam. Join the Independent Quantum Leap Symphony orchestra (Q.L.S.O.) and Symphonic Choir Forum for Mac http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qlso A6 Andromeda forum : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/A6_andromeda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x-newbies/attachments/20061104/1aafc8d1/attachment-0001.html From philip.robar at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 21:55:50 2006 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Fri Nov 3 21:56:04 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Englis-Spanish In-Reply-To: <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> On Nov 3, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Steven Rogers wrote: > ... I would recommend using MacPorts over Fink. > > http://www.macports.org/ > > (used to be called DarwinPorts). It's another package system like > Fink, I also recommend MacPorts, but want to make clear that it's not just "another package system like Fink". Fink installs a GNU/SYSV like UNIX environment that interposes itself over OS X's UNIX environment (I, myself, would say gets in the way of.), whereas MacPorts directly leverages OS X's UNIX environment. Phil -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From jeff.allison at allygray.2y.net Fri Nov 3 22:07:35 2006 From: jeff.allison at allygray.2y.net (Jeff Allison) Date: Fri Nov 3 22:08:47 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Englis-Spanish In-Reply-To: <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 04/11/2006, at 4:55 , Philip J Robar wrote: > > On Nov 3, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Steven Rogers wrote: > >> ... I would recommend using MacPorts over Fink. >> >> http://www.macports.org/ >> >> (used to be called DarwinPorts). It's another package system like >> Fink, > > I also recommend MacPorts, but want to make clear that it's not > just "another package system like Fink". Fink installs a GNU/SYSV > like UNIX environment that interposes itself over OS X's UNIX > environment (I, myself, would say gets in the way of.), whereas > MacPorts directly leverages OS X's UNIX environment. > > Phil > -- I'm not sure where you get that idea from what I can see fink goes out of its way to avoid messing with OSX, the whole thing lives is /sw Jeff From philip.robar at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 23:00:22 2006 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Fri Nov 3 23:00:40 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Englis-Spanish In-Reply-To: References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Nov 3, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Jeff Allison wrote: > On 04/11/2006, at 4:55 , Philip J Robar wrote: > >> I also recommend MacPorts, but want to make clear that it's not >> just "another package system like Fink". Fink installs a GNU/SYSV >> like UNIX environment that interposes itself over OS X's UNIX >> environment (I, myself, would say gets in the way of.), whereas >> MacPorts directly leverages OS X's UNIX environment. > > I'm not sure where you get that idea from what I can see fink goes > out of its way to avoid messing with OSX, the whole thing lives is /sw MacPorts is a collection of UNIX/POSIX software ported to OS X. It uses and leverages OS X's UNIX. Fink installs an entire GNU environment: libraries, headers, and utilities. To use Fink effectively you have to put /sw at the front of your path, thus Fink requires you to interpose it on top of, or in my view, in place of OS X's native UNIX facilities. Phil From laronoff at fuse.net Sat Nov 4 09:47:06 2006 From: laronoff at fuse.net (Leah Aronoff) Date: Sat Nov 4 09:46:39 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to me. It is incomprehensible to me. I'm a real basic Newbie, who worries about things like how external drives work as backups, and which is best to use, and how much do they cost, and stuff like that. . . . Leah On Nov 4, 2006, at 2:00 AM, Philip J Robar wrote: > > On Nov 3, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Jeff Allison wrote: > >> On 04/11/2006, at 4:55 , Philip J Robar wrote: >> >>> I also recommend MacPorts, but want to make clear that it's not just >>> "another package system like Fink". Fink installs a GNU/SYSV like >>> UNIX environment that interposes itself over OS X's UNIX environment >>> (I, myself, would say gets in the way of.), whereas MacPorts >>> directly leverages OS X's UNIX environment. >> >> I'm not sure where you get that idea from what I can see fink goes >> out of its way to avoid messing with OSX, the whole thing lives is >> /sw > > MacPorts is a collection of UNIX/POSIX software ported to OS X. It > uses and leverages OS X's UNIX. Fink installs an entire GNU > environment: libraries, headers, and utilities. To use Fink > effectively you have to put /sw at the front of your path, thus Fink > requires you to interpose it on top of, or in my view, in place of OS > X's native UNIX facilities. > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1623 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x-newbies/attachments/20061104/7c6a0ce4/attachment.bin From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Sat Nov 4 10:05:00 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Sat Nov 4 10:05:09 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <78FBA137-B20C-43B4-84F7-62EF5A5C10F6@earthlink.net> Many 'newbie' questions go unanswered because they are likely not very interesting. This subject is way off topic for this list and belongs on the developers list. On Nov 4, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Leah Aronoff wrote: > Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to me. It is > incomprehensible to me. I'm a real basic Newbie, who worries about > things like how external drives work as backups, and which is best > to use, and how much do they cost, and stuff like that. . . . Leah > > On Nov 4, 2006, at 2:00 AM, Philip J Robar wrote: > >> >> On Nov 3, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Jeff Allison wrote: >> >>> On 04/11/2006, at 4:55 , Philip J Robar wrote: >>> >>>> I also recommend MacPorts, but want to make clear that it's not >>>> just "another package system like Fink". Fink installs a GNU/ >>>> SYSV like UNIX environment that interposes itself over OS X's >>>> UNIX environment (I, myself, would say gets in the way of.), >>>> whereas MacPorts directly leverages OS X's UNIX environment. >>> >>> I'm not sure where you get that idea from what I can see fink >>> goes out of its way to avoid messing with OSX, the whole thing >>> lives is /sw >> >> MacPorts is a collection of UNIX/POSIX software ported to OS X. It >> uses and leverages OS X's UNIX. Fink installs an entire GNU >> environment: libraries, headers, and utilities. To use Fink >> effectively you have to put /sw at the front of your path, thus >> Fink requires you to interpose it on top of, or in my view, in >> place of OS X's native UNIX facilities. >> >> Phil >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X-Newbies mailing list >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Sat Nov 4 10:47:46 2006 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Sat Nov 4 10:47:56 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53CE51D9-9ECD-4980-BD99-3F7605396FA5@austin.rr.com> On Nov 4, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Leah Aronoff wrote: > Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to me. It is > incomprehensible to me. . . . Yeah - that's why I said "MacPorts is another package system like Fink" - for the purposes of this list, that's what it is. Package systems are supposed to make installing and updating software that comes from the developer community work like "magic", the way Software Update works. For the user who wants it to just work without understanding all the details, I think MacPorts will be slightly more "magical" than Fink. Most people won't have any reason to use a package system at all. But if you're a "newbie" to OS X coming from Linux, or coming from a PC programming background, the purpose of Fink/MacPorts would be clear. SR From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Sat Nov 4 10:51:10 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Sat Nov 4 10:51:26 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: <53CE51D9-9ECD-4980-BD99-3F7605396FA5@austin.rr.com> References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> <53CE51D9-9ECD-4980-BD99-3F7605396FA5@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <7ACA6378-D457-4867-8E05-233B3D1F042F@earthlink.net> I wasn't aware that this was a newbie 'programming' list. Can you direct people to a list that just does basic newbie questions such as how things work on OS X? What with all the different but similarly named folders it is hard to tell which you can trash and which you can't anymore. I recently had a start up problem that was fixed beautifully by trashing whole folders of things you would never imagine could be trashed....but who would know that just coming from OS 9 where there was only one of everything? On Nov 4, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Steven Rogers wrote: > Most people won't have any reason to use a package system at all. > But if you're a "newbie" to OS X coming from Linux, or coming from > a PC programming background, the purpose of Fink/MacPorts would be > clear. From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Sat Nov 4 10:52:17 2006 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Sat Nov 4 10:52:22 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: <78FBA137-B20C-43B4-84F7-62EF5A5C10F6@earthlink.net> References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> <78FBA137-B20C-43B4-84F7-62EF5A5C10F6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0049F2BE-27C7-4346-840E-5F11EAC6A6D8@austin.rr.com> On Nov 4, 2006, at 12:05 PM, J wrote: > Many 'newbie' questions go unanswered because they are likely not > very interesting. > > This subject is way off topic for this list and belongs on the > developers list. There are plenty of non-developers who use package systems to get specialized software. Typically in the academic environment. SR From philip.robar at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 12:19:18 2006 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Sat Nov 4 12:19:35 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: <53CE51D9-9ECD-4980-BD99-3F7605396FA5@austin.rr.com> References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> <53CE51D9-9ECD-4980-BD99-3F7605396FA5@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <0A4D9503-4AE6-4F71-ADE8-08A3AB1C23CE@gmail.com> On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Steven Rogers wrote: > On Nov 4, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Leah Aronoff wrote: > >> Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to me. It is >> incomprehensible to me. . . . > > Yeah - that's why I said "MacPorts is another package system like > Fink" - for the purposes of this list, that's what it is. > > Package systems are supposed to make installing and updating > software that comes from the developer community work like "magic", > the way Software Update works. For the user who wants it to just > work without understanding all the details, I think MacPorts will be > slightly more "magical" than Fink. This is the point I was ultimately trying to make. If a new user uses Fink to install a command line UNIX or X11 program than they end up with an command line environment that will be subtly and confusingly different from OS X's command line environment. A new users would be much better off using MacPorts, unless the program they were after was only available via Fink, and if they choose to go with Fink I wanted them to be aware of this potential confusion. Fink is great if you explicitly want to have a GNU/Linux like environment available on OS X, but for new users MacPorts is the better choice because it uses OS X's UNIX facilities instead of replacing it with a similar, but subtly different one. Phil From randy at macattorney.com Sat Nov 4 13:19:32 2006 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Sat Nov 4 13:21:40 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Message-ID: <20061104212134.4AF6E38DDB4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Leah Aronoff said: >Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to me. It is >incomprehensible to me. I'm a real basic Newbie, who worries about >things like how external drives work as backups, and which is best to >use, and how much do they cost, and stuff like that. . . . Leah Leah, don't be afraid to ask even the most basic questions here. There are folks here who are more than happy to try to answer your questions. Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From chasm at mac.com Sat Nov 4 18:55:08 2006 From: chasm at mac.com (Charles Martin) Date: Sat Nov 4 18:55:19 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Inappropriate for this list (was: X-Newbies) In-Reply-To: <20061104201938.26ACA38D87B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061104201938.26ACA38D87B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: > From: Leah Aronoff > > Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to me. It is > incomprehensible to me. I'm a real basic Newbie, who worries about > things like how external drives work as backups, and which is best to > use, and how much do they cost, and stuff like that. . . . Leah I have to agree with Leah. This discussion is WHOLLY inappropriate to the X-Newbies list and should really be taken to private email. I'm not the list mom, but I signed up here because I wanted to help people who had NEWBIE type questions, and to learn FROM newbies about how they view and work with the Mac so that we can all benefit. This UNIX drivel is meaningless to 99% of the list and esoteric in the extreme to boot. Take it elsewhere, please. And next time, try to remember which list you're posting to. Cheers Chas From laronoff at fuse.net Sat Nov 4 21:44:43 2006 From: laronoff at fuse.net (Leah Aronoff) Date: Sat Nov 4 21:44:11 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Inappropriate for this list (was: X-Newbies) In-Reply-To: References: <20061104201938.26ACA38D87B@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <55d16e85f68e113f0c4510584a5f12da@fuse.net> Thank you, Charles. I was worried that I had fallen into the wrong list. As an 88 year old person, in talking to friends and acquaintances, I've become aware that more and more older people are interested, for whatever reason, in working with computers, but am equally aware that there's a great deal of fear and hesitancy on their part. I don't think computer makers realize that there's a sizable potential buyership out there. There are going to be more and more of us as time goes on, and we're all going to need all kinds of advice and assistance, but no one seems to care. As a result, the divide grows wider and wider. There! I've said it! I must confess, I was provided with two other sites for novices, and do intend to pursue them, but I thank you again, Charles, for your consideration. Leah On Nov 4, 2006, at 9:55 PM, Charles Martin wrote: >> From: Leah Aronoff >> >> Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to me. It is >> incomprehensible to me. I'm a real basic Newbie, who worries about >> things like how external drives work as backups, and which is best to >> use, and how much do they cost, and stuff like that. . . . Leah > > I have to agree with Leah. This discussion is WHOLLY inappropriate to > the X-Newbies list and should really be taken to private email. > > I'm not the list mom, but I signed up here because I wanted to help > people who had NEWBIE type questions, and to learn FROM newbies about > how they view and work with the Mac so that we can all benefit. > > This UNIX drivel is meaningless to 99% of the list and esoteric in the > extreme to boot. > > Take it elsewhere, please. And next time, try to remember which list > you're posting to. > > Cheers > Chas > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 02:47:26 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Sun Nov 5 02:47:33 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Excel to Address Book. Message-ID: <2552fa090611050247o5adb8692x1f75f2f1bb1e7aa@mail.gmail.com> Hi again, I have just received a project where I need to take a fair amount of institutional contact info (Company name, address, telephone, website, etc.) from three Excel files, hoover it out, create a new Address Book category based on the Excel file name and then place the contact info from the Excel file under the new Address Book category. Does anyone have an idea how to do this? I was thinking Apple Script or via Filemaker, but as I don't have Filemaker and I know very little about Apple Script, I am pretty much at a loss. Cheers, Brian From chowse at charter.net Sun Nov 5 03:46:52 2006 From: chowse at charter.net (Charles Howse) Date: Sun Nov 5 03:47:15 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Excel to Address Book. In-Reply-To: <2552fa090611050247o5adb8692x1f75f2f1bb1e7aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <2552fa090611050247o5adb8692x1f75f2f1bb1e7aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3B1AB142-0DCB-4422-8772-FA4C011650F3@charter.net> On Nov 5, 2006, at 4:47 AM, Brian Durant wrote: > Hi again, > > I have just received a project where I need to take a fair amount of > institutional contact info (Company name, address, telephone, website, > etc.) from three Excel files, hoover it out, create a new Address Book > category based on the Excel file name and then place the contact info > from the Excel file under the new Address Book category. Does anyone > have an idea how to do this? I was thinking Apple Script or via > Filemaker, but as I don't have Filemaker and I know very little about > Apple Script, I am pretty much at a loss. > > Cheers, > > Brian You can export the data from Excel as a .csv file (Comma Separated Values), then import it into Address Book. Look up the topic "Importing Contacts into Address Book" in the Address Book Help. There is also a forum for Mail & Address Book on the Apple site. http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=753 -- Thanks, Charles http://bubbabbq.homeunix.net From mikebinstock at yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 04:58:07 2006 From: mikebinstock at yahoo.com (Mike Binstock) Date: Sun Nov 5 04:58:17 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Inappropriate for this list (was: X-Newbies) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061105125807.12173.qmail@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I throughly enjoy the Unix side of OS x and and since I am a NEWBIE in that part of the basic operating system I find the discussion of unix very acceptable. Keep it coming! Mike --- Charles Martin wrote: > > From: Leah Aronoff > > > > Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to me. > It is > > incomprehensible to me. I'm a real basic Newbie, > who worries about > > things like how external drives work as backups, > and which is best to > > use, and how much do they cost, and stuff like > that. . . . Leah > > I have to agree with Leah. This discussion is WHOLLY > inappropriate to > the X-Newbies list and should really be taken to > private email. > > I'm not the list mom, but I signed up here because I > wanted to help > people who had NEWBIE type questions, and to learn > FROM newbies about > how they view and work with the Mac so that we can > all benefit. > > This UNIX drivel is meaningless to 99% of the list > and esoteric in > the extreme to boot. > > Take it elsewhere, please. And next time, try to > remember which list > you're posting to. > > Cheers > Chas > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > __________________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) From mikebinstock at yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 05:41:39 2006 From: mikebinstock at yahoo.com (Mike Binstock) Date: Sun Nov 5 05:41:46 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: <0A4D9503-4AE6-4F71-ADE8-08A3AB1C23CE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061105134139.39640.qmail@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For someone who has used Fink (not really liked it) i never realized MacPorts was a better option. I am looking forward to trying it out. Normally what I do now, after 5 years in this environment, is manually way of making a file which is very combuersome. The last few packages I have downloaded have installed themselves which is fantastically easier then before. --- Philip J Robar wrote: > > On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Steven Rogers wrote: > > > On Nov 4, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Leah Aronoff wrote: > > > >> Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to > me. It is > >> incomprehensible to me. . . . > > > > Yeah - that's why I said "MacPorts is another > package system like > > Fink" - for the purposes of this list, that's what > it is. > > > > Package systems are supposed to make installing > and updating > > software that comes from the developer community > work like "magic", > > the way Software Update works. For the user who > wants it to just > > work without understanding all the details, I > think MacPorts will be > > slightly more "magical" than Fink. > > This is the point I was ultimately trying to make. > If a new user uses > Fink to install a command line UNIX or X11 program > than they end up > with an command line environment that will be subtly > and confusingly > different from OS X's command line environment. A > new users would be > much better off using MacPorts, unless the program > they were after was > only available via Fink, and if they choose to go > with Fink I wanted > them to be aware of this potential confusion. > > Fink is great if you explicitly want to have a > GNU/Linux like > environment available on OS X, but for new users > MacPorts is the > better choice because it uses OS X's UNIX facilities > instead of > replacing it with a similar, but subtly different > one. > > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) From mikebinstock at yahoo.com Sun Nov 5 05:47:51 2006 From: mikebinstock at yahoo.com (Mike Binstock) Date: Sun Nov 5 05:47:54 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: <7ACA6378-D457-4867-8E05-233B3D1F042F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20061105134751.87198.qmail@web33211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have deleted the wrong folders in the past and it is a treat getting things set up again. ONe thing, it seems simple now, is to go to the finder window and the folder you are thinking of deleting and then look at its path. You can do this by clicking the 3rd view option in the toolbar of the finder window. (2 arrow keys, then the finder view options which are icons, list, and path.) Things in my "hard dive" window are rarely if ever messed with. The only time I do delete is in my user folder. All packages should come with an unistaller that would make things a lot easier. --- J wrote: > I wasn't aware that this was a newbie 'programming' > list. > > Can you direct people to a list that just does basic > newbie questions > such as how things work on OS X? > What with all the different but similarly named > folders it is hard to > tell which you can trash and which you can't > anymore. > > I recently had a start up problem that was fixed > beautifully by > trashing whole folders of things you would never > imagine could be > trashed....but who would know that just coming from > OS 9 where there > was only one of everything? > > On Nov 4, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Steven Rogers wrote: > > > Most people won't have any reason to use a package > system at all. > > But if you're a "newbie" to OS X coming from > Linux, or coming from > > a PC programming background, the purpose of > Fink/MacPorts would be > > clear. > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 07:21:56 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Sun Nov 5 07:22:15 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Excel to Address Book. In-Reply-To: <3B1AB142-0DCB-4422-8772-FA4C011650F3@charter.net> References: <2552fa090611050247o5adb8692x1f75f2f1bb1e7aa@mail.gmail.com> <3B1AB142-0DCB-4422-8772-FA4C011650F3@charter.net> Message-ID: <2552fa090611050721y4998e6adoc3fb52d3ce0441e2@mail.gmail.com> Thanks a lot for the feedback Charles. It still amazes me from time to time how easy and logically you often can do relatively complicated things with a Mac :-) Cheers, Brian On 11/5/06, Charles Howse wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2006, at 4:47 AM, Brian Durant wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > I have just received a project where I need to take a fair amount of > > institutional contact info (Company name, address, telephone, website, > > etc.) from three Excel files, hoover it out, create a new Address Book > > category based on the Excel file name and then place the contact info > > from the Excel file under the new Address Book category. Does anyone > > have an idea how to do this? I was thinking Apple Script or via > > Filemaker, but as I don't have Filemaker and I know very little about > > Apple Script, I am pretty much at a loss. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Brian > > You can export the data from Excel as a .csv file (Comma Separated > Values), then import it into Address Book. > Look up the topic "Importing Contacts into Address Book" in the > Address Book Help. > There is also a forum for Mail & Address Book on the Apple site. > http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=753 > > -- > Thanks, > Charles > http://bubbabbq.homeunix.net > > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From alpoulin at cox.net Sun Nov 5 07:51:39 2006 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sun Nov 5 07:51:49 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Inappropriate for this list (was: X-Newbies) In-Reply-To: <20061105125807.12173.qmail@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061105125807.12173.qmail@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I usually do not join in on "off topic" discussions such as this one. But here I will. This thread went off topic when someone complained about the UNIX flavor of answers to a purely legitimate NEWBY question. As I recall, this whole thing began when the original poster requested advice on automated translators for English/Spanish. One of the first responses mentioned Dashboard, which is part of OS X Tiger. This was a legitimate NEWBY answer. And then someone mentioned the desire for something better than Dashboard. And other user-friendly capabilities were mentioned, including two mentions of Babelfish which is available for use on the Internet. Folks pointed out the weaknesses of automated translators -- it is user beware! Newbies cannot assume that the translators exercise common sense all the time. The automated translators are best used as tools by people who are already somewhat familiar with the languages involved. That the thread ventured into UNIX with the FINK business was simply part of a set of legitimate answers. I am not one to dabble in UNIX, and in several years of using OS X Panther, I have yet to open "Terminal". I hate the idea of getting myself into command language. But I like knowing that there are technical solutions available to problems or requirements that newbie users have which cannot be adequately addressed through a GUI -- graphical user interface, the normal user interface. As I understand the etiquette of e-lists such as this one, there is no guarantee that all content will be relevant for all members of the list all the time. Members may ignore, trash, even write rules to sift out content. If one does not want to see mention of UNIX, one may have the e-mail client sift it out. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. On Nov 5, 2006, at 7:58 AM, Mike Binstock wrote: > I throughly enjoy the Unix side of OS x and and since > I am a NEWBIE in that part of the basic operating > system I find the discussion of unix very acceptable. > > Keep it coming! > > > Mike > > --- Charles Martin wrote: > >>> From: Leah Aronoff >>> >>> Boy! None of this sounds like Newbies talk to me. >> It is >>> incomprehensible to me. I'm a real basic Newbie, >> who worries about >>> things like how external drives work as backups, >> and which is best to >>> use, and how much do they cost, and stuff like >> that. . . . Leah >> >> I have to agree with Leah. This discussion is WHOLLY >> inappropriate to >> the X-Newbies list and should really be taken to >> private email. >> >> I'm not the list mom, but I signed up here because I >> wanted to help >> people who had NEWBIE type questions, and to learn >> FROM newbies about >> how they view and work with the Mac so that we can >> all benefit. >> >> This UNIX drivel is meaningless to 99% of the list >> and esoteric in >> the extreme to boot. >> >> Take it elsewhere, please. And next time, try to >> remember which list >> you're posting to. >> >> Cheers >> Chas >> _______________________________________________ >> X-Newbies mailing list >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage >> Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ___________________ > Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get > things done faster. > (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta) > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 08:22:31 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Sun Nov 5 08:29:38 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Inappropriate for this list (was: X-Newbies) In-Reply-To: References: <20061105125807.12173.qmail@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2552fa090611050822j51c152fci38fec4fc9b2ad1c1@mail.gmail.com> I was the first person that replied to the original question. Part of my posting included mention of StarDict, which requires going through the process of installing X11 and in my case, Fink. It is true that the command line underpinnings of OS X are not really "newbie", but on the other hand, it is part of the underpinnings of OS X. I simply voiced my opinion on what I personally consider to be the "best" albeit more complicated solution. The reality of the matter is that there isn't much software out there for people who work in a number of languages and would like to have some sort of electronic reference to jog the memory. Unfortunately, as of yet Apple has not done much with the multilingual potential of Dictionary.app, despite the multilingual underpinnings of OS X already being in place for localization. This is a vast improvement to having to purchase a seperate "langauge kit" for each language, as multilingual users had to do under OS 9. As far as I am concerned, the "problem" with "too much *NIX" discussion began when there was an interjection about the benefits of MacPorts versus Fink. This isn't the first time that I have experienced this on the list. While I am sure that the person was well meaning, there is a tinge of evangelizing that quickly creeps into the postings. I happen to use Fink, but I don't have any strong opinions on the pros and cons of either or and therefore I have not replied to those postings. I think the discussion of the pros and cons could be an interesting discussion, but doesn't necessarily belong here. It could instead be taken over to the MaX List, where there would be more input. It would probably be enough for this list to know that it appears the Darwin developers have closed shop to protest Apple's lack of support for open source development and porting from Linux to the Mac. This issue is of concern to everyone on the list and may in reality be at least part of the reason that the MacPorts versus Fink interjection occurred. Perhaps a bit of frustration? This would be perfectly understandable as the install base for this seems to be shrinking and maybe an increase in vying for the few users that delve into the *NIX underpinnings of OS X? Cheers, Brian On 11/5/06, Al Poulin wrote: > I usually do not join in on "off topic" discussions such as this one. > But here I will. This thread went off topic when someone complained > about the UNIX flavor of answers to a purely legitimate NEWBY question. From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 5 08:50:57 2006 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Sun Nov 5 08:51:45 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: <7ACA6378-D457-4867-8E05-233B3D1F042F@earthlink.net> References: <2552fa090611030906j774f254ctf145917e384c95eb@mail.gmail.com> <65AE6D20-ECB2-4E51-A30D-0351BFBFC10C@austin.rr.com> <7EF7CE46-747B-477E-95FB-5ECB3F6E57F9@gmail.com> <53CE51D9-9ECD-4980-BD99-3F7605396FA5@austin.rr.com> <7ACA6378-D457-4867-8E05-233B3D1F042F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Nov 4, 2006, at 12:51 PM, J wrote: > I wasn't aware that this was a newbie 'programming' list. Package systems like MacPorts aren't just for programmers. There are a lot of programming tools in there, but there are also a lot of specialized tools that have nothing to do with programming, like math/ science and audio/video programs (and a few lame games). There are plenty of things about it that aren't newbie topics - but just knowing that package systems exist and what they are (they install software and keep it up to date, like Software Update in the Apple menu) is appropriate for newbies. It's a huge free resource that is just one of the ways in which the whole family of Unixy systems (which now includes OS X) is different from the PC. > Can you direct people to a list that just does basic newbie > questions such as how things work on OS X? > What with all the different but similarly named folders it is hard > to tell which you can trash and which you can't anymore. I recently > had a start up problem that was fixed beautifully by trashing whole > folders of things you would never imagine could be trashed.... If the question is "what can I safely trash": you can probably get by OK by not trashing anything except Applications that you installed and now want to loose, and things in your own user area, like your Documents, Music, Movies, etc. folders. However, some people like to keep things "cleaned up" and that question is more like "what is the *most* I can delete without goofing things up" - that's a much more complex question. There are lots of little things related to fonts and preferences and temp files that *might* potentially be deleted or optimized, but even just font management alone is whole micro-science. Generally, I would say that it is not worth the time and aggravation to dig through the system to remove every little temp file an unused preference that you can. Sometimes you need to do that to fix a problem, or keep an old marginal system going, but I wouldn't do it as a matter of course. For the average user using the machine in an average way, just leave all that "system-ish" stuff alone. It is far more efficient time-wise, and you won't have to worry about how to fix something you accidentally goof up. If you're feeling like "Oh, how will I, a newbie, ever learn all the obscure files I need to delete to keep my machine in tip-top shape like those experienced people", then just forget about it. While they're tweaking obscure files, listen to some great music. If you're thinking along the lines of "I fixed this startup problem by deleting some obscure files, so maybe there is some list of obscure file locations I should be checking and cleaning?" - well, that's probably debatable, but I would say that it is much easier to address specific issues than to try to prevent them with this sort of "cleaning" activity. Of course, there are considerations that might change that - e.g. you have several machines to administer, you have machines with lots of users, you're running a critical business application, etc. - but in that case we're not talking "newbie" advice anymore. SR From randy at macattorney.com Sun Nov 5 11:17:32 2006 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Sun Nov 5 11:19:39 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Message-ID: <20061105191937.CF741396ACB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Steven Rogers said: >If the question is "what can I safely trash": you can probably get by >OK by not trashing anything except Applications that you installed >and now want to loose, and things in your own user area, like your >Documents, Music, Movies, etc. folders. MacFixIt has an interesting article in this regard. If you are interested, you should read the article before the end of today (Sunday) because the article is likely to be gone by Monday. "Increasing performance by quitting remnant or unnecessary system processes" http://www.macfixit.com Basically the article says that remnants of previously uninstalled programs may be using CPU time and may eventually slow your computer significantly. Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 5 12:13:21 2006 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Sun Nov 5 12:13:30 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] To Tweak or Not to Tweak In-Reply-To: <20061105191937.CF741396ACB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061105191937.CF741396ACB@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <44C04679-DD97-4036-862F-AF017DDB426B@austin.rr.com> On Nov 5, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Randy B.Singer wrote: > Steven Rogers said: > >> If the question is "what can I safely trash": you can probably get by >> OK by not trashing anything except Applications that you installed >> and now want to loose, and things in your own user area, like your >> Documents, Music, Movies, etc. folders. > > MacFixIt has an interesting article in this regard. If you are > interested, you should read the article before the end of today > (Sunday) > because the article is likely to be gone by Monday. > > "Increasing performance by quitting remnant or unnecessary system > processes" > http://www.macfixit.com > > Basically the article says that remnants of previously uninstalled > programs may be using CPU time and may eventually slow your computer > significantly. Actually, what it says is that programs that you have "Quit" (not uninstalled programs) may still leave some running processes: "More frequently than one might assume, application processes under Mac OS X stick around longer than they're welcome. Even though you've ostensibly quit an application (it no longer appears in the Dock or is turned off via a preference pane), its core or periphery processes may still be lingering and consuming system resources unnecessarily." I expect there are probably a few cases where programs that are uninstalled the "easy" way (by just trashing the app) could leave behind some background process that runs and does nothing, but that would be unusual. Programs that might do that would be something that has its own driver - like the Palm Desktop hotsync. Or a program written with the PC mindset of increasing its "presence" on your system by starting all sorts of goofy services, like say MS Office (I don't know if it does that, it just wouldn't surprise me). *Usually* these programs have uninstallers that clean them up. Even when they don't, for the average user, I would just completely ignore both cases. Unixy operating systems are very efficient at having many small processes like that running without it having much effect on system performance. I seriously doubt that any average user could ever tell whether the "FontAgent" program he gives in the example is running or not by looking at general system performance. The only time you might care about that is if you're doing DVD rendering or big compile jobs, or some other task were you want maximum performance out of your system for hours and hours - but that wouldn't be a "newbie" situation. If you have a PC, this kind of constant "grooming" is routine, and it almost seems like people feel they need to battle the computer to be "in charge" of it. They'll spend hours trying to make sure that *no* spam comes into the inbox instead of just letting mail filter most of it out, and hitting the delete key ten or twenty times in a day. They'll spend hours researching the purpose of arcane little files, occasionally delete the wrong one, have to restore the system, defragging the drives left and right, etc. etc. - you know the ones I'm talking about. With the PC, there is some merit to that, but with OS X, I think it is pretty reasonable for regular users to just forget about all that stuff. Buy a copy of Disk Warrior, put it on the shelf, and then just use your computer. When MacFixit has "Ten Arcane Ways to Speed Up OS X", just stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la". SR From alpoulin at cox.net Sun Nov 5 19:35:08 2006 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sun Nov 5 19:35:15 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Inappropriate for this list (was: X-Newbies) In-Reply-To: <2552fa090611050822j51c152fci38fec4fc9b2ad1c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061105125807.12173.qmail@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2552fa090611050822j51c152fci38fec4fc9b2ad1c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <355b73702c47d8927b98e904cfa507f2@cox.net> Brian: Indeed, you are correct. Your saying this caused me to review the history of the thread. It turns out that there were two threads. The original posted on October 28 dual posted his English-Spanish question both here and in the X-SW list. It is in the X-SW list that I saw the discussion on Dashboard and Babelfish without realizing that there are two threads involved. Sorry for the confusion. Al Poulin On Nov 5, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Brian Durant wrote: > I was the first person that replied to the original question. Part of > my posting included mention of StarDict, which requires going through > the process of installing X11 and in my case, Fink. It is true that SNIP > On 11/5/06, Al Poulin wrote: >> I usually do not join in on "off topic" discussions such as this one. >> But here I will. This thread went off topic when someone complained >> about the UNIX flavor of answers to a purely legitimate NEWBY >> question. > From pixie at iafrica.com Mon Nov 13 07:06:09 2006 From: pixie at iafrica.com (Rick Colborne) Date: Mon Nov 13 07:09:19 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Please unsubscribe Message-ID: <7378C697-C502-442D-BB24-CC7E813F1377@iafrica.com> Thanks From grahamta.pugh at virgin.net Mon Nov 13 07:40:37 2006 From: grahamta.pugh at virgin.net (Graham Pugh) Date: Mon Nov 13 07:41:04 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] It's Behind You Message-ID: <782257DB-E46E-4B1D-8569-975A48F1BE42@virgin.net> When viewing a page in either Safari or Firefox and then selecting the enlarge view button of a illustration, the link page appears behind the main page . . . what do I need to do to get the desired image to default and open in the frontmost view? Best regards Graham From wilann at telusplanet.net Mon Nov 13 07:45:54 2006 From: wilann at telusplanet.net (W Lane) Date: Mon Nov 13 07:46:50 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] It's Behind You In-Reply-To: <782257DB-E46E-4B1D-8569-975A48F1BE42@virgin.net> References: <782257DB-E46E-4B1D-8569-975A48F1BE42@virgin.net> Message-ID: On 06-Nov-13, at 8:40 AM, Graham Pugh wrote: > When viewing a page in either Safari or Firefox and then selecting > the enlarge view button of a illustration, the link page appears > behind the main page . . . what do I need to do to get the desired > image to default and open in the frontmost view? It depends, I think. Do you have Tabbed browsing enabled? From bolobar at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 10:53:30 2006 From: bolobar at gmail.com (bolobar) Date: Mon Nov 13 10:53:48 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] PDF files in a browser In-Reply-To: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Hi-I would like to make a third party PDF viewer my default app. Presently when I open a PDF file in a browser (Camino, Firefox) it appears as a web page. I would like to disable this feature and I can't remember or find out how. No problem opening from a saved document. Interestingly, Safari opens to a blank page. Thanks Bolobar From alpoulin at cox.net Mon Nov 13 11:33:50 2006 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Mon Nov 13 11:33:55 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] PDF files in a browser In-Reply-To: References: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <5971ebda87b11d89233609a1c8960a00@cox.net> What happens when you double click on a .pdf file? With my OS X 10.3.9 Panther, when I double click, most .pdf files open in Preview, not a browser. If a .pdf file does not open this way, I usually resort to Acrobat Reader 7.0.7. But Safari and Firefox can often open them too. What version OS are you on? Is there a particular reason you want to use something else? Al Poulin On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:53 PM, bolobar wrote: > Hi-I would like to make a third party PDF viewer my default app. > Presently when I open a PDF file in a browser (Camino, Firefox) it > appears as a web page. I would like to disable this feature and I > can't remember or find out how. No problem opening from a saved > document. Interestingly, Safari opens to a blank page. From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Mon Nov 13 11:34:37 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Mon Nov 13 11:34:43 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] PDF files in a browser In-Reply-To: References: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: If you don't have the Acrobat plug-in installed, PDF won't open in Safari. I have found that small PDF files are OK in the browser, but for larger ones, they need the whole app to display them.... Press on the PDF link and select 'download to disk'. I also have never found a control to set that as the default....which I would prefer in all cases....regardless of size. When posting PDFs I always indicate the size in brackets for example: [250 KB] or [1.8MB - Please download to disk] On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:53 PM, bolobar wrote: > Hi-I would like to make a third party PDF viewer my default app. > Presently when I open a PDF file in a browser (Camino, Firefox) it > appears as a web page. I would like to disable this feature and I > can't remember or find out how. No problem opening from a saved > document. Interestingly, Safari opens to a blank page. > Thanks > Bolobar From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Mon Nov 13 11:35:06 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Mon Nov 13 11:35:10 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] PDF files in a browser In-Reply-To: <5971ebda87b11d89233609a1c8960a00@cox.net> References: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5971ebda87b11d89233609a1c8960a00@cox.net> Message-ID: I think he meant PDF files off the web. On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > With my OS X 10.3.9 Panther, when I double click, most .pdf files > open in Preview, not a browser. From winter at mac.com Mon Nov 13 11:48:22 2006 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Mon Nov 13 11:47:39 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] PDF files in a browser In-Reply-To: <5971ebda87b11d89233609a1c8960a00@cox.net> References: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5971ebda87b11d89233609a1c8960a00@cox.net> Message-ID: On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:33 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > What version OS are you on? Is there a particular reason you want > to use something else? Yes! First, as far as I can tell, you can't save the PDF file from Safari (at least its not straight forward). 95% of the time I click on a pdf file, I want it downloaded and saved. Second, IMO Safari is fine for very short (1-2 pages) documents, but it just doesn't work well for larger ones, at least the way I use them. First, I always have to zoom-in a couple times before anything is legible, navigation is much more difficult, and there's no search. So I'm looking for a way to have Safari just open them up in Preview like it used to (or even Acrobat) instead of displaying them inline. In old browsers there used to be a preference pane where you could assign file types to specific applications. That's what's needed here for pdf files. After re-reading, I'm wondering if one of us misunderstood. I read the OP as wanting Safari to behave as I described when you "browse" to a pdf file on the web. You seem to be describing opening a local file in a preferred app. -Mike From winter at mac.com Mon Nov 13 13:16:03 2006 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Mon Nov 13 13:15:32 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] PDF files in a browser In-Reply-To: References: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5971ebda87b11d89233609a1c8960a00@cox.net> Message-ID: > So I'm looking for a way to have Safari just open them up in > Preview like it used to (or even Acrobat) instead of displaying > them inline. I Found a possible solution at . I haven't been able to try it yet (too many open pages in Safari I need to read yet), but if anyone else tries it, please let us know how it goes. -Mike From alpoulin at cox.net Mon Nov 13 14:08:22 2006 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:08:35 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] PDF files in a browser In-Reply-To: References: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5971ebda87b11d89233609a1c8960a00@cox.net> Message-ID: <04dffd41e51270ca5062addde9ec81d3@cox.net> I guess I misunderstood the OP because, some time ago, I reset my Panther Safari 1.3.2 Preferences in the General tab to comply with advise from Apple and security experts. I unchecked the box for "Open 'safe' files after downloading. I always get the .pdf files downloaded to my Desktop. Then I double click on the icon. Just now, I checked the box to "Open 'safe' files. This time, the .pdf file downloaded and Preview automatically opened it. I am talking about a 44 page, 4.5MB technical manual here: http://mendota-gas-fireplaces.com/mendota-manuals.asp I get the same behavior at: http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/ I guess I still do not understand the problem. Now, I am unchecking that box as advised. Regards to all, Al Poulin On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Michael Winter wrote: > > On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:33 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > >> What version OS are you on? Is there a particular reason you want to >> use something else? > > Yes! First, as far as I can tell, you can't save the PDF file from > Safari (at least its not straight forward). 95% of the time I click on > a pdf file, I want it downloaded and saved. > > Second, IMO Safari is fine for very short (1-2 pages) documents, but > it just doesn't work well for larger ones, at least the way I use > them. First, I always have to zoom-in a couple times before anything > is legible, navigation is much more difficult, and there's no search. > > So I'm looking for a way to have Safari just open them up in Preview > like it used to (or even Acrobat) instead of displaying them inline. > In old browsers there used to be a preference pane where you could > assign file types to specific applications. That's what's needed here > for pdf files. > > After re-reading, I'm wondering if one of us misunderstood. I read the > OP as wanting Safari to behave as I described when you "browse" to a > pdf file on the web. You seem to be describing opening a local file in > a preferred app. > > -Mike From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Mon Nov 13 14:13:03 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Mon Nov 13 14:13:12 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] PDF files in a browser In-Reply-To: <04dffd41e51270ca5062addde9ec81d3@cox.net> References: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5971ebda87b11d89233609a1c8960a00@cox.net> <04dffd41e51270ca5062addde9ec81d3@cox.net> Message-ID: That's strange because those from the pages you list still open in my browser unless I specifically press on the link and download to disk. On Nov 13, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > I guess I misunderstood the OP because, some time ago, I reset my > Panther Safari 1.3.2 Preferences in the General tab to comply with > advise from Apple and security experts. I unchecked the box for > "Open 'safe' files after downloading. I always get the .pdf files > downloaded to my Desktop. Then I double click on the icon. > > Just now, I checked the box to "Open 'safe' files. This time, > the .pdf file downloaded and Preview automatically opened it. I am > talking about a 44 page, 4.5MB technical manual here: > http://mendota-gas-fireplaces.com/mendota-manuals.asp > > I get the same behavior at: > http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/ > > I guess I still do not understand the problem. Now, I am > unchecking that box as advised. > > Regards to all, > > Al Poulin > > On Nov 13, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Michael Winter wrote: > >> >> On Nov 13, 2006, at 1:33 PM, Al Poulin wrote: >> >>> What version OS are you on? Is there a particular reason you >>> want to use something else? >> >> Yes! First, as far as I can tell, you can't save the PDF file from >> Safari (at least its not straight forward). 95% of the time I >> click on a pdf file, I want it downloaded and saved. >> >> Second, IMO Safari is fine for very short (1-2 pages) documents, >> but it just doesn't work well for larger ones, at least the way I >> use them. First, I always have to zoom-in a couple times before >> anything is legible, navigation is much more difficult, and >> there's no search. >> >> So I'm looking for a way to have Safari just open them up in >> Preview like it used to (or even Acrobat) instead of displaying >> them inline. In old browsers there used to be a preference pane >> where you could assign file types to specific applications. That's >> what's needed here for pdf files. >> >> After re-reading, I'm wondering if one of us misunderstood. I read >> the OP as wanting Safari to behave as I described when you >> "browse" to a pdf file on the web. You seem to be describing >> opening a local file in a preferred app. >> >> -Mike > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From alpoulin at cox.net Mon Nov 13 17:56:29 2006 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Mon Nov 13 17:56:34 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] PDF files in a browser In-Reply-To: References: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5971ebda87b11d89233609a1c8960a00@cox.net> <04dffd41e51270ca5062addde9ec81d3@cox.net> Message-ID: <498f4bb14f45f52d8f87d49dd109fd5a@cox.net> With the Safari Preference set to "Open 'safe' files...," when I press on a link, the download is automatic and the top menu changes from "Safari" to "Preview." Is this what happens in your browser? Or does "Safari" remain in your top menu? And does the Safari window then take on the appearance of Adobe Reader? The plot thickens. I just made those pages open in Safari. But I had to go to an obscure preference in Adobe Reader 7.0.7 to make that happen. In AR Preferences, I went to the "Internet" Category and checked the box for "Display PDF in browser using: Adobe Reader 7.0.7." Then I closed AR, closed Safari, relaunched Safari and then went to the web page for the manuals. After clicking on a manual's link, Safari opened the .pdf file without downloading it. The Safari window took on the characteristics of AR, apparently using the Adobe Reader plug-in. The Adobe Reader application itself was not running. My little story behind this is that after using Safari/Preview for a year or so, some .pdf files from the web did not behave. I downloaded Adobe Reader 7.0.5 to work the files. After that, Preview no longer worked with Safari, to my endless frustration. After a few months, I remembered what happened in the old OS 8 and 9 days. The old Acrobat Reader always wanted to take over the computer, becoming the default application for .pdf, but it had the courtesy to ask permission to do this upon installation. With the recent versions for OS X, Adobe Reader does not ask!! It just takes over as the default app -- until I found that Internet Category preference and unchecked the box for using AR. Note, the setting for AR default does not change unless I close both Safari and AR and then relaunch Safari. Al Poulin On Nov 13, 2006, at 5:13 PM, J wrote: > That's strange because those from the pages you list still open in my > browser unless I specifically press on the link and download to disk. > > On Nov 13, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > >> I guess I misunderstood the OP because, some time ago, I reset my >> Panther Safari 1.3.2 Preferences in the General tab to comply with >> advise from Apple and security experts. I unchecked the box for >> "Open 'safe' files after downloading. I always get the .pdf files >> downloaded to my Desktop. Then I double click on the icon. >> >> Just now, I checked the box to "Open 'safe' files. This time, the >> .pdf file downloaded and Preview automatically opened it. I am >> talking about a 44 page, 4.5MB technical manual here: >> http://mendota-gas-fireplaces.com/mendota-manuals.asp >> >> I get the same behavior at: >> http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/ >> >> I guess I still do not understand the problem. Now, I am unchecking >> that box as advised. >> >> Regards to all, >> >> Al Poulin From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Tue Nov 14 02:41:44 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Tue Nov 14 02:42:20 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] New MacBook dim screen. Message-ID: <2552fa090611140241s75199c6ak72598356a79b0a7f@mail.gmail.com> My daughter recently purchased a MacBook through her high school and for the first few weeks it has been working fine. Suddenly, the screen is dim and barely legible. I have tried changing the energy saver settings, but it doesn't seem to help. I have googled around a bit and found a lot of stuff on a MacBook dim screen issue, but it mainly seems to be speculation and a lot of chatter on various lists about everything from Mac's attacking old ladies on the street to how cute someone's cat picture is. Does anyone have an informative link on this issue, or can tell me what the problem is? Cheers, Brian From caranzazu at union-city.k12.nj.us Tue Nov 14 05:26:30 2006 From: caranzazu at union-city.k12.nj.us (C. Aranzazu) Date: Tue Nov 14 05:27:04 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] New MacBook dim screen. In-Reply-To: <2552fa090611140241s75199c6ak72598356a79b0a7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2552fa090611140241s75199c6ak72598356a79b0a7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would take the iBook to my nearest apple store. if it is only a few weeks old and this happened it might just be a hardware issue. If it is just that then it is still under warrantee and they should fix it for free. >My daughter recently purchased a MacBook through her high school and >for the first few weeks it has been working fine. Suddenly, the screen >is dim and barely legible. I have tried changing the energy saver >settings, but it doesn't seem to help. I have googled around a bit and >found a lot of stuff on a MacBook dim screen issue, but it mainly >seems to be speculation and a lot of chatter on various lists about >everything from Mac's attacking old ladies on the street to how cute >someone's cat picture is. Does anyone have an informative link on this >issue, or can tell me what the problem is? > >Cheers, > >Brian >_______________________________________________ >X-Newbies mailing list >X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > >This message has been scanned for virus detection by the Union City >School's email system. >Un-cleanable attachments have been deleted and the sender notified. -- From C.A. Aranzazu This message has been scanned for virus detection by the Union City School's email system. Un-cleanable attachments have been deleted and the sender notified. From winter at mac.com Tue Nov 14 06:20:19 2006 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Tue Nov 14 06:20:11 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] PDF files in a browser In-Reply-To: <04dffd41e51270ca5062addde9ec81d3@cox.net> References: <20061113150920.919A93FCF91@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <5971ebda87b11d89233609a1c8960a00@cox.net> <04dffd41e51270ca5062addde9ec81d3@cox.net> Message-ID: On Nov 13, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > I reset my Panther Safari 1.3.2 Preferences I'm using Safari 2.0.4. They changed the behavior is Safari when they added "native" support for pdf files in Safari (Acrobat plug-in no longer needed). Now, wether Open Safe Files is checked or not, it opens within the browser window (just double-checked). Adding to the pain is when pdf files end up opening within a frame in the browser window... -Mike From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 03:40:45 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Wed Nov 15 03:40:53 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] New MacBook dim screen. In-Reply-To: References: <2552fa090611140241s75199c6ak72598356a79b0a7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2552fa090611150340m78f40a7cv6562feb3f08b9cd8@mail.gmail.com> Thanks. It turned out that the problem was my daughter had been fumbling around with the light and contrast controls. Doh! Cheers, Brian On 11/14/06, C. Aranzazu wrote: > I would take the iBook to my nearest apple store. if it is only a few > weeks old and this happened it might just be a hardware issue. If it > is just that then it is still under warrantee and they should fix it > for free. > > >My daughter recently purchased a MacBook through her high school and > >for the first few weeks it has been working fine. Suddenly, the screen > >is dim and barely legible. I have tried changing the energy saver > >settings, but it doesn't seem to help. I have googled around a bit and > >found a lot of stuff on a MacBook dim screen issue, but it mainly > >seems to be speculation and a lot of chatter on various lists about > >everything from Mac's attacking old ladies on the street to how cute > >someone's cat picture is. Does anyone have an informative link on this > >issue, or can tell me what the problem is? > > > >Cheers, > > > >Brian > >_______________________________________________ > >X-Newbies mailing list > >X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > > > >This message has been scanned for virus detection by the Union City > >School's email system. > >Un-cleanable attachments have been deleted and the sender notified. > > > -- > From > C.A. Aranzazu > > > This message has been scanned for virus detection by the Union City School's email system. Un-cleanable attachments have been deleted and the sender notified. > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 03:46:45 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Wed Nov 15 03:46:49 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] My G5 e-mails are turning japanese or chinese when I send to a Win user. Message-ID: <2552fa090611150346n50ee4143pd86a18c1c6593ce7@mail.gmail.com> For some reason I am experiencing a problem when I send e-mails to a Win user where I am writing in Danish and the ??? Danish letters are turning into japanese or chinese characters: "de v?tj der kan hj?e mig med at forst?vordan" Weird. Can anyone help? Cheers, Brian From alpoulin at cox.net Wed Nov 15 06:11:03 2006 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Wed Nov 15 06:11:51 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] My G5 e-mails are turning japanese or chinese when I send to a Win user. In-Reply-To: <2552fa090611150346n50ee4143pd86a18c1c6593ce7@mail.gmail.com> References: <2552fa090611150346n50ee4143pd86a18c1c6593ce7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Do you get the same result when you send the e-mail to yourself? perhaps to another e-mail account of yours? to another Mac user? Al Poulin On Nov 15, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Brian Durant wrote: > For some reason I am experiencing a problem when I send e-mails to a > Win user where I am writing in Danish and the ??? Danish letters are > turning into japanese or chinese characters: > > "de v?tj der kan hj?e mig med at forst?vordan" > > Weird. Can anyone help? > > Cheers, > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Wed Nov 15 06:45:32 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Wed Nov 15 06:46:53 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] My G5 e-mails are turning japanese or chinese when I send to a Win user. In-Reply-To: References: <2552fa090611150346n50ee4143pd86a18c1c6593ce7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2552fa090611150645m1df65e3cga67db25fab5631ae@mail.gmail.com> Hi Al, No everything seems to be OK. I have since I posted my original mail to the list discovered that all Win users are affected either. Very weird. Cheers, Brian On 11/15/06, Al Poulin wrote: > Do you get the same result when you send the e-mail to yourself? > perhaps to another e-mail account of yours? to another Mac user? > > Al Poulin > > On Nov 15, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Brian Durant wrote: > > > For some reason I am experiencing a problem when I send e-mails to a > > Win user where I am writing in Danish and the ??? Danish letters are > > turning into japanese or chinese characters: > > > > "de v?tj der kan hj?e mig med at forst?vordan" > > > > Weird. Can anyone help? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Brian From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Fri Nov 17 08:00:26 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Fri Nov 17 08:00:35 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Can't get XDroplet to work with binary Evolution install in X11. Message-ID: <2552fa090611170800g578e02f6nfc3fc783b10462a2@mail.gmail.com> I just installed Evolution from the Novell homepage (evolution 2.6). I can't get the Evolution XDroplet to work. The Evolution binary is installed in /opt/gnome-2.14/bin/ and I think the droplet may be looking for Evolution in /sw/bin/ When I run the command '/opt/gnome-2.14/bin/evolution-start.sh' to determine why Evolution doesn't start, I get the following messages: $ /opt/gnome-2.14/bin/evolution-start.sh (evolution-2.6:5663): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "industrial", (evolution-2.6:5663): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "industrial", (evolution-2.6:5663): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "industrial", CalDAV Eplugin starting up ... evolution-shell-Message: Killing old version of evolution-data-server... (evolution-2.6:5663): e-utils-WARNING **: No parent set, or default parent available for error dialog (evolution-2.6:5663): Pango-WARNING **: Cannot open font file for font Verdana 9.60546875 (evolution-2.6:5663): Pango-WARNING **: Cannot open font file for font Verdana Bold 11.5263671875 Can anyone tell me what is going on here, please? Cheers, Brian From lmyrvold at yahoo.com Fri Nov 17 15:24:17 2006 From: lmyrvold at yahoo.com (Luther A. Myrvold) Date: Fri Nov 17 15:24:30 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] iMovie Problem Message-ID: <20061117232417.21016.qmail@web61116.mail.yahoo.com> My iBook G4 is still running OS X.3.9. Recently the internal hard drive started to fail. I bought an external firewire drive, and an Apple genius transfered the contents of the internal drive to the external drive. Then a new hard drive was installed ,and the contents of the external drive were cloned to the new internal drive. So far, so good. Now, my iMovie will not open at all, and iPhoto is giving me heat about missing some files. I have tried to re-install iLife 4 from the install disks. (I had upgraded iLife to 6 via internet downloads.) The iLife install disk says that some iLife applications are open, and I must close them to install. None of the iLife apps are open. When I network my iBook to my desktop, I can open the iBook iMovie application on my desktop. I am confused. 1. Are there bits of the applications that are running in the background on the laptop that won't shut down even in a reboot? How do I handle this? 2. If I just upgrade the OS to 10.4 and then try install the most recent version of iLife, will this work? Luther ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Online degrees - find the right program to advance your career. Www.nextag.com From 4.oiseaux at wanadoo.fr Sat Nov 18 02:18:46 2006 From: 4.oiseaux at wanadoo.fr (Keith Mills) Date: Sat Nov 18 02:20:26 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: <6FF41EDD-CA2E-419A-AD18-DC59084FC40E@earthlink.net> References: <6FF41EDD-CA2E-419A-AD18-DC59084FC40E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> I know that it's a long time since I promised to respond - first of all holidays, then hospitalisation intervened! Sorry. To update : a) I've very belatedly moved onto version 10.3.9. b) Tony suggested that I should abandon Appleworks and invest in iWork and use Pages instead. And I might just do that for most things. But it does not seem to have a database facility which I need. So I shall have to continue with Appleworks for that. So (to ask a very basic question) J : c) You advise me to reinstall Appleworks. How do I do that? I don't seem to have an Appleworks disc. Should I have? If not, what? With thanks Keith On 4 sept. 06, at 03:43, J wrote: > Sounds like the weird icon means the app just lost its association. In > X, when you trash certain prefs, you must reassociate all your > applications otherwise you get a weird old fashioned icon. > > I would reinstall Appleworks is all and make sure the .app is not > removed from after it. > > On Sep 3, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Tony Johansen wrote: > >> >>> >>> On 9/3/06 4:10 AM, "Keith Mills" <4.oiseaux@wanadoo.fr> wrote: >>>> Perhaps there are some of us who just shouldn't be allowed into the >>>> 21st Century! >> >> >> Keith, >> On the contrary, come on in. I think the problems grow when people >> come just >> half way instead of all the way. Personally I would simply abandon >> AppleWorks in favor of Pages. If you have not used it, then you are >> missing >> out on a truly delightful program to use, and it can open and work >> with all >> of your Appleworks files. The learning curve is small as it is so >> logically >> put together and it easily saves documents as PDF, Word, HTML, RTF, >> etc as >> well as Pages format. >> >> If your Appleworks problems persist and you need to start thinking >> about >> starting again from the beginning, then I would encourage looking at >> Pages >> as a realistic option. Most people who try it love it almost >> instantly, >> especially if their orientation is toward graphics and design. >> >> >> Tony >> http://www.tonyjohansen.com >> A Life Of Art >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X-Newbies mailing list >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From alpoulin at cox.net Sat Nov 18 07:42:30 2006 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sat Nov 18 07:42:39 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> References: <6FF41EDD-CA2E-419A-AD18-DC59084FC40E@earthlink.net> <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Keith: I just reviewed this thread going back to August 30 or so. What machine do you have? What versions of OS install disks do you have? Answers here could help folks give you better answers. If you have a consumer Mac like an iMac, eMac, or an iBook, your AppleWorks came on the machine and is in the machine's original OS install disk(s). If so, the experts here can advise how to use the install disks to dig AppleWorks out of it. Then you can fetch the latest update from the Apple web site. Even if your OS install disk is for OS 8 or 9, you can get going and update to the OS X version, provided your machine is still able to start up in the older OS. If you do not have an iMac, eMac or iBook, then your AppleWorks likely came off a specific AppleWorks CD-ROM. You can get one from some vendors. Try Other World Computing (OWC) or the AppleWorks User Group. Sometimes you'll receive an e-Mac applications disk with AppleWorks on it. Hope this helps, Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. On Nov 18, 2006, at 5:18 AM, Keith Mills wrote: > I know that it's a long time since I promised to respond - first of > all holidays, then hospitalisation intervened! Sorry. > > To update : > a) I've very belatedly moved onto version 10.3.9. > b) Tony suggested that I should abandon Appleworks and invest in > iWork and use Pages instead. And I might just do that for most things. > But it does not seem to have a database facility which I need. So I > shall have to continue with Appleworks for that. So (to ask a very > basic question) J : > c) You advise me to reinstall Appleworks. How do I do that? I don't > seem to have an Appleworks disc. Should I have? If not, what? From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Sat Nov 18 09:14:04 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Sat Nov 18 09:14:12 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Help with catalog b-tree crises needed. Message-ID: <2552fa090611180914k5006f79o24624a70869ce894@mail.gmail.com> Fink Commander crashed and seems to have taken my whole OS X system down. The system on my G5 single hung at the grey startup apple on restart (after I tried flushing the PRAM), so I booted from my Tiger install disk, and tried running the Disk Repair app and got the following: - Keys out of order - Rebuilding Catalog B-tree - The volume Macintosh HD could not be repaired - Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit 1 HFS volume checked 1 volume could not be repaired because of an error Repair attempted on 1 volume could not be repaired "First Aid failed: The underlying task reported failure on exit." 1) Fortunately, I have Xubuntu Edgy installed on another internal SATA drive on my G5 single. And I am able to boot up from that. I have run 'sudo mkdir /mnt/ osx' and 'sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb3 /mnt/osx' and I have access to my OS X HD, but when I get to my user profile, all of the folders are locked, except "bookmarks" and "desktop". How do I gain access to these? I need to backup documents, photos (including iPhoto), iTunes music, passwords from the keyring, etc. onto my Xubuntu HD. 2) I need to install Tiger onto an external Firewire HD (hopefully my drive has the cooperative interface for doing this) and then get my hands on Disk Warrior or Tech Tools Pro and install this on the external Firewire HD. Any recommendations that will make this process less painful for me? Cheers, Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x-newbies/attachments/20061118/f3fcc6e7/attachment.html From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 18 09:14:59 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Sat Nov 18 09:15:05 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <20061118171459.39188.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keith The short answer is yes... Also your looking for the latest version of AppleWorks which is 6.2.9 It will say on the back of the box "Built for Mac OS X" ON the front is a photo of a pen/compass/ruler in the shape of a "W" Only this version works with OS X (10.3.9). This past summer I picked up iWorks and pages is worth every dollar spent but I still use AppleWorks equally as much - I do A lot of drafting of letters and then move them over to pages. The spell checker is much better on pages and the final look can be beat! But pages does take some time to learn and get used too - but then again I have been using Appleworks for the past 20 years in one for or another. I will not use M$'s Word or Office in any form. You might also give something called "NeoOffice' a shot it free and can be found by google'ing NeoOffice. It take the place of Word or Office and can read & write anything sent to you on those formats - a must have if your in business and the price is right too! Later and good luck... Rick +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --- Keith Mills <4.oiseaux@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > I know that it's a long time since I promised to > respond - first of all > holidays, then hospitalisation intervened! Sorry. > > To update : > a) I've very belatedly moved onto version 10.3.9. > b) Tony suggested that I should abandon Appleworks > and invest in iWork > and use Pages instead. And I might just do that for > most things. But it > does not seem to have a database facility which I > need. So I shall have > to continue with Appleworks for that. So (to ask a > very basic question) > J : > c) You advise me to reinstall Appleworks. How do I > do that? I don't > seem to have an Appleworks disc. Should I have? If > not, what? > > With thanks > Keith > > > > On 4 sept. 06, at 03:43, J wrote: > > > Sounds like the weird icon means the app just lost > its association. In > > X, when you trash certain prefs, you must > reassociate all your > > applications otherwise you get a weird old > fashioned icon. > > > > I would reinstall Appleworks is all and make sure > the .app is not > > removed from after it. > > > > On Sep 3, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Tony Johansen wrote: > > > >> > >>> > >>> On 9/3/06 4:10 AM, "Keith Mills" > <4.oiseaux@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > >>>> Perhaps there are some of us who just shouldn't > be allowed into the > >>>> 21st Century! > >> > >> > >> Keith, > >> On the contrary, come on in. I think the problems > grow when people > >> come just > >> half way instead of all the way. Personally I > would simply abandon > >> AppleWorks in favor of Pages. If you have not > used it, then you are > >> missing > >> out on a truly delightful program to use, and it > can open and work > >> with all > >> of your Appleworks files. The learning curve is > small as it is so > >> logically > >> put together and it easily saves documents as > PDF, Word, HTML, RTF, > >> etc as > >> well as Pages format. > >> > >> If your Appleworks problems persist and you need > to start thinking > >> about > >> starting again from the beginning, then I would > encourage looking at > >> Pages > >> as a realistic option. Most people who try it > love it almost > >> instantly, > >> especially if their orientation is toward > graphics and design. > >> > >> > >> Tony > >> http://www.tonyjohansen.com > >> A Life Of Art > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> X-Newbies mailing list > >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > >> > >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! > Vintage Mac and random > >> stuff: > >> > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > X-Newbies mailing list > > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! > Vintage Mac and random > > stuff: > > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From 4.oiseaux at wanadoo.fr Sat Nov 18 09:20:54 2006 From: 4.oiseaux at wanadoo.fr (Keith Mills) Date: Sat Nov 18 09:22:29 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: References: <6FF41EDD-CA2E-419A-AD18-DC59084FC40E@earthlink.net> <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Thanks Al I have an eMac. The install disk is 10.3.3. Does that makes things easier for me? As I said the other day, it is only very recently that I updated to 10.3.9. With thanks Keith Mills On 18 nov. 06, at 16:42, Al Poulin wrote: > Keith: > > I just reviewed this thread going back to August 30 or so. What > machine do you have? What versions of OS install disks do you have? > Answers here could help folks give you better answers. > > If you have a consumer Mac like an iMac, eMac, or an iBook, your > AppleWorks came on the machine and is in the machine's original OS > install disk(s). If so, the experts here can advise how to use the > install disks to dig AppleWorks out of it. Then you can fetch the > latest update from the Apple web site. Even if your OS install disk > is for OS 8 or 9, you can get going and update to the OS X version, > provided your machine is still able to start up in the older OS. > > If you do not have an iMac, eMac or iBook, then your AppleWorks likely > came off a specific AppleWorks CD-ROM. You can get one from some > vendors. Try Other World Computing (OWC) or the AppleWorks User > Group. Sometimes you'll receive an e-Mac applications disk with > AppleWorks on it. > > Hope this helps, > > Al Poulin > Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, > proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. > > On Nov 18, 2006, at 5:18 AM, Keith Mills wrote: > >> I know that it's a long time since I promised to respond - first of >> all holidays, then hospitalisation intervened! Sorry. >> >> To update : >> a) I've very belatedly moved onto version 10.3.9. >> b) Tony suggested that I should abandon Appleworks and invest in >> iWork and use Pages instead. And I might just do that for most >> things. But it does not seem to have a database facility which I >> need. So I shall have to continue with Appleworks for that. So (to >> ask a very basic question) J : >> c) You advise me to reinstall Appleworks. How do I do that? I don't >> seem to have an Appleworks disc. Should I have? If not, what? > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From saluki13 at comcast.net Sat Nov 18 09:27:33 2006 From: saluki13 at comcast.net (Patty Woodbury) Date: Sat Nov 18 09:27:43 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: References: <6FF41EDD-CA2E-419A-AD18-DC59084FC40E@earthlink.net> <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: Hi- you can download Appleworks here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120213 Hope it works for you. :) Patty From ftf at mac.com Sat Nov 18 09:52:28 2006 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Sat Nov 18 09:52:38 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: References: <6FF41EDD-CA2E-419A-AD18-DC59084FC40E@earthlink.net> <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <1E5C6605-10D7-4146-B7FF-96FEC5ACA158@mac.com> On Nov 18, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Patty Woodbury wrote: > you can download Appleworks here: > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120213 > > Hope it works for you. :) These are only updates to AppleWorks 6.0, not the full program, which has to be purchased. From alpoulin at cox.net Sat Nov 18 11:17:29 2006 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sat Nov 18 11:18:15 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: <1E5C6605-10D7-4146-B7FF-96FEC5ACA158@mac.com> References: <6FF41EDD-CA2E-419A-AD18-DC59084FC40E@earthlink.net> <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> <1E5C6605-10D7-4146-B7FF-96FEC5ACA158@mac.com> Message-ID: <12d5daa3e66fa857e8ec5d8b48d9d75e@cox.net> On Nov 18, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: > On Nov 18, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Patty Woodbury wrote: > >> you can download Appleworks here: >> >> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120213 >> >> Hope it works for you. :) > > > These are only updates to AppleWorks 6.0, not the full program, which > has to be purchased. Keith already has the full program on his e-Mac OS X 10.3.3 install disk. I suspect the version of AppleWorks on any OS 10.3 is the latest, and he would not have to get any online update. But first, there is a way to pull AppleWorks all by itself off his install disk. I do not know the details, but folks on this list can say how, without reinstalling the whole OS, Safari, Mail, etc. it is an easy process, and I should have paid attention when someone described it a few months ago on one of these lists. Al Poulin From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Sat Nov 18 12:44:38 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Sat Nov 18 12:44:45 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: <12d5daa3e66fa857e8ec5d8b48d9d75e@cox.net> References: <6FF41EDD-CA2E-419A-AD18-DC59084FC40E@earthlink.net> <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> <1E5C6605-10D7-4146-B7FF-96FEC5ACA158@mac.com> <12d5daa3e66fa857e8ec5d8b48d9d75e@cox.net> Message-ID: I love Appleworks so much it is a shame they do not now offer it free. It is the easiest way for me to make simple flyers and brochures and turn them into PDF files. On Nov 18, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > On Nov 18, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: > >> On Nov 18, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Patty Woodbury wrote: >> >>> you can download Appleworks here: >>> >>> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120213 >>> >>> Hope it works for you. :) >> >> >> These are only updates to AppleWorks 6.0, not the full program, >> which has to be purchased. > > Keith already has the full program on his e-Mac OS X 10.3.3 install > disk. I suspect the version of AppleWorks on any OS 10.3 is the > latest, and he would not have to get any online update. > > But first, there is a way to pull AppleWorks all by itself off his > install disk. I do not know the details, but folks on this list > can say how, without reinstalling the whole OS, Safari, Mail, etc. > it is an easy process, and I should have paid attention when > someone described it a few months ago on one of these lists. > > Al Poulin > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From wilann at telusplanet.net Sat Nov 18 13:06:54 2006 From: wilann at telusplanet.net (W Lane) Date: Sat Nov 18 13:07:12 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: References: <6FF41EDD-CA2E-419A-AD18-DC59084FC40E@earthlink.net> <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> <1E5C6605-10D7-4146-B7FF-96FEC5ACA158@mac.com> <12d5daa3e66fa857e8ec5d8b48d9d75e@cox.net> Message-ID: <40065FD7-9F8B-468A-9BCE-4EB84BBB6EE7@telusplanet.net> On 06-Nov-18, at 1:44 PM, J wrote: > It is the easiest way for me to make simple flyers and brochures > and turn them into PDF files. You do know that in X you can 'Print to pdf'? From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Sat Nov 18 13:17:56 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Sat Nov 18 13:18:05 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: <40065FD7-9F8B-468A-9BCE-4EB84BBB6EE7@telusplanet.net> References: <6FF41EDD-CA2E-419A-AD18-DC59084FC40E@earthlink.net> <381da4535197aa546b8c6736424560f2@wanadoo.fr> <1E5C6605-10D7-4146-B7FF-96FEC5ACA158@mac.com> <12d5daa3e66fa857e8ec5d8b48d9d75e@cox.net> <40065FD7-9F8B-468A-9BCE-4EB84BBB6EE7@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: Well if I did not know that, how would I have said what I said? On Nov 18, 2006, at 4:06 PM, W Lane wrote: > > On 06-Nov-18, at 1:44 PM, J wrote: > >> It is the easiest way for me to make simple flyers and brochures >> and turn them into PDF files. > > > You do know that in X you can 'Print to pdf'? From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 18 15:25:37 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Sat Nov 18 15:25:42 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061118232537.29750.qmail@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> J If you through AppleWork was easy to use when doing these task - your going to be shocked when you try doing them with iWorks/Pages - the difference is like night and day with Pages winning hands down! And I through I would never leave AppleWorks - the times - they are a changing - Fast! Rick therepguy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --- J wrote: > I love Appleworks so much it is a shame they do not > now offer it free. > > It is the easiest way for me to make simple flyers > and brochures and > turn them into PDF files. > > > > On Nov 18, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > > > On Nov 18, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: > > > >> On Nov 18, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Patty Woodbury > wrote: > >> > >>> you can download Appleworks here: > >>> > >>> > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120213 > >>> > >>> Hope it works for you. :) > >> > >> > >> These are only updates to AppleWorks 6.0, not the > full program, > >> which has to be purchased. > > > > Keith already has the full program on his e-Mac OS > X 10.3.3 install > > disk. I suspect the version of AppleWorks on any > OS 10.3 is the > > latest, and he would not have to get any online > update. > > > > But first, there is a way to pull AppleWorks all > by itself off his > > install disk. I do not know the details, but > folks on this list > > can say how, without reinstalling the whole OS, > Safari, Mail, etc. > > it is an easy process, and I should have paid > attention when > > someone described it a few months ago on one of > these lists. > > > > Al Poulin > > _______________________________________________ > > X-Newbies mailing list > > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! > Vintage Mac and random > > stuff: > > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Sat Nov 18 15:29:53 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Sat Nov 18 15:30:00 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: <20061118232537.29750.qmail@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061118232537.29750.qmail@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8939FAF0-F672-4438-B0D9-268D88EE1CF7@earthlink.net> Tried iWorks and don't see the advantages of it. On Nov 18, 2006, at 6:25 PM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > J > If you through AppleWork was easy to use when doing > these task - your going to be shocked when you try > doing them with iWorks/Pages - the difference is like > night and day with Pages winning hands down! > > And I through I would never leave AppleWorks - the > times - they are a changing - Fast! > > Rick therepguy > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > --- J wrote: > >> I love Appleworks so much it is a shame they do not >> now offer it free. >> >> It is the easiest way for me to make simple flyers >> and brochures and >> turn them into PDF files. >> >> >> >> On Nov 18, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Al Poulin wrote: >> >>> On Nov 18, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: >>> >>>> On Nov 18, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Patty Woodbury >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> you can download Appleworks here: >>>>> >>>>> >> > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120213 >>>>> >>>>> Hope it works for you. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> These are only updates to AppleWorks 6.0, not the >> full program, >>>> which has to be purchased. >>> >>> Keith already has the full program on his e-Mac OS >> X 10.3.3 install >>> disk. I suspect the version of AppleWorks on any >> OS 10.3 is the >>> latest, and he would not have to get any online >> update. >>> >>> But first, there is a way to pull AppleWorks all >> by itself off his >>> install disk. I do not know the details, but >> folks on this list >>> can say how, without reinstalling the whole OS, >> Safari, Mail, etc. >>> it is an easy process, and I should have paid >> attention when >>> someone described it a few months ago on one of >> these lists. >>> >>> Al Poulin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> X-Newbies mailing list >>> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >>> >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >>> >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! >> Vintage Mac and random >>> stuff: >>> >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X-Newbies mailing list >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage >> Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 >> > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From Teebob44 at aol.com Sat Nov 18 15:50:09 2006 From: Teebob44 at aol.com (Teebob44@aol.com) Date: Sat Nov 18 15:50:56 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/06 4:18:16 PM, themacintoshlady@earthlink.net writes: > Well if I did not know that, how would I have said what I said?? > > > > On Nov 18, 2006, at 4:06 PM, W Lane wrote: > > > > > On 06-Nov-18, at 1:44 PM, J wrote: > > > >> It is the easiest way for me to make simple flyers and brochures? > >> and turn them into PDF files. > > > > > > You do know that in X you can 'Print to pdf'? > > Select "print" and look for the "save as pdf" button at the bottom of the dialog box. Very useful for all kinds of things. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x-newbies/attachments/20061118/0ea6b739/attachment.html From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Sat Nov 18 15:58:09 2006 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Sat Nov 18 15:58:19 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Once again, I said, I already know how to do that or would not have posted that I do it all the time. > Select "print" and look for the "save as pdf" button > at the bottom of the dialog box. Very useful for all > kinds of things. From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 18 16:00:16 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Sat Nov 18 16:00:23 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: <8939FAF0-F672-4438-B0D9-268D88EE1CF7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20061119000016.64564.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Everyone to there own liking I guess, I use it in my business for doing marketing and the more I have used it the better I like it - but it does take a little time to learn the in's and out's of pages. But the look is what I like best - comes off very professional and I have gotten a lot of nice comments on my handouts and letters. One rep went so far as to complain to one of my manufacturers for not sending him the same materials there were sending me. The company called and ask me how much I was spending on cut sheets and were I was getting them? When I said it was me and my Mac. They went out and brought the latest Mac Pro desktop with all of the trimmings. Now there looking to switch the whole company over to Mac's! I told them to send me a new beefed up Mac laptop as a finders fee for Xmas - the good news is that haven't told me no - yet! Rick aka therepguy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --- J wrote: > Tried iWorks and don't see the advantages of it. > > On Nov 18, 2006, at 6:25 PM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > > > J > > If you through AppleWork was easy to use when > doing > > these task - your going to be shocked when you try > > doing them with iWorks/Pages - the difference is > like > > night and day with Pages winning hands down! > > > > And I through I would never leave AppleWorks - the > > times - they are a changing - Fast! > > > > Rick therepguy > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > --- J wrote: > > > >> I love Appleworks so much it is a shame they do > not > >> now offer it free. > >> > >> It is the easiest way for me to make simple > flyers > >> and brochures and > >> turn them into PDF files. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Nov 18, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > >> > >>> On Nov 18, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Fabian Fang wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Nov 18, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Patty Woodbury > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> you can download Appleworks here: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120213 > >>>>> > >>>>> Hope it works for you. :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> These are only updates to AppleWorks 6.0, not > the > >> full program, > >>>> which has to be purchased. > >>> > >>> Keith already has the full program on his e-Mac > OS > >> X 10.3.3 install > >>> disk. I suspect the version of AppleWorks on > any > >> OS 10.3 is the > >>> latest, and he would not have to get any online > >> update. > >>> > >>> But first, there is a way to pull AppleWorks all > >> by itself off his > >>> install disk. I do not know the details, but > >> folks on this list > >>> can say how, without reinstalling the whole OS, > >> Safari, Mail, etc. > >>> it is an easy process, and I should have paid > >> attention when > >>> someone described it a few months ago on one of > >> these lists. > >>> > >>> Al Poulin > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> X-Newbies mailing list > >>> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >>> > >> > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > >>> > >>> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! > >> Vintage Mac and random > >>> stuff: > >>> > >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> X-Newbies mailing list > >> X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > >> > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > >> > >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! > Vintage > >> Mac and random stuff: > >> > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > X-Newbies mailing list > > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! > Vintage Mac and random > > stuff: > > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage > Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From cornett at gol.com Sat Nov 18 16:18:28 2006 From: cornett at gol.com (Cornett) Date: Sat Nov 18 16:18:30 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: <20061118235821.8F39044C04A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061118235821.8F39044C04A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Al, J, et All G'day! On Nov 19, 2006, at 08:58 AM, x-newbies-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:17:29 -0500 > From: Al Poulin Subject: Re: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding > To: "A place to novice users Mac OS X." > snip > Keith already has the full program on his e-Mac OS X 10.3.3 install > disk. I suspect the version of AppleWorks on any OS 10.3 is the > latest, and he would not have to get any online update. > > But first, there is a way to pull AppleWorks all by itself off his > install disk. Just my .02cents here, but a trip over to versiontracker.com and a quick search for 'Pacifist' , just might be what's needed to pull the .pkg off the install disk, install, and then just apply updaters to v6.2.9, and then don't forget to repair priviliges(sp) with DU. HTHs Respectful of GURUs Bill Cornett cornett AT gol DOT com / From scott-xlists at scotist.com Sat Nov 18 16:53:37 2006 From: scott-xlists at scotist.com (Scott) Date: Sat Nov 18 16:53:52 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: References: <20061118235821.8F39044C04A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <062CEC85-803E-4C3B-A1CF-35CDFF51BF0A@scotist.com> On Nov 18, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Cornett wrote: > > On Nov 19, 2006, at 08:58 AM, x-newbies- > request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:17:29 -0500 >> From: Al Poulin > >> Keith already has the full program on his e-Mac OS X 10.3.3 install >> disk. I suspect the version of AppleWorks on any OS 10.3 is the >> latest, and he would not have to get any online update. >> >> But first, there is a way to pull AppleWorks all by itself off his >> install disk. > > Just my .02cents here, but a trip over to versiontracker.com and > a quick search for 'Pacifist' , just might be what's needed to > pull the .pkg off the install disk, install, and then just apply > updaters to v6.2.9, and then don't forget to repair priviliges(sp) > with DU. HTHs Appleworks is not part of the 10.3 (or any 10.x) retail distribution. It is available either as a separate purchase, or as a bundled application on some consumer-level Macs (iMac, eMac, Mini, and iBook). It is no longer bundled with current Macs. For bundled systems, it is usually found in a dmg file in a hidden folder on the restore disk, and can be installed by drag/dropping into Applications. Some folders may need to be dropped into /Library as well. It can also be installed by the aforementioned utility. On some install/restore discs, it is known as "install Bundled Software Only". See under the section entitled "Reinstall some (but not all) bundled applications without erasing the Mac OS X volume". If using the version from older restore disk sets, there are other hoops that can be jumped through to avoid erasing the drive. -- Scott From rfjohnson at knology.net Sat Nov 18 16:56:37 2006 From: rfjohnson at knology.net (Frances Johnson) Date: Sat Nov 18 16:56:41 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] (no subject) Message-ID: please remove my name from the mailing list thanks From alpoulin at cox.net Sat Nov 18 17:26:11 2006 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sat Nov 18 17:26:20 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Appleworks not responding In-Reply-To: References: <20061118235821.8F39044C04A@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On Nov 18, 2006, at 7:18 PM, Cornett wrote: > Al, J, et All > G'day! > > On Nov 19, 2006, at 08:58 AM, > x-newbies-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: >> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:17:29 -0500 >> From: Al Poulin > Subject: Re: [X-Newbies] Appleworks not responding >> To: "A place to novice users Mac OS X." >> > snip >> Keith already has the full program on his e-Mac OS X 10.3.3 install >> disk. I suspect the version of AppleWorks on any OS 10.3 is the >> latest, and he would not have to get any online update. >> >> But first, there is a way to pull AppleWorks all by itself off his >> install disk. > > Just my .02cents here, but a trip over to versiontracker.com and > a quick search for 'Pacifist' , just might be what's needed to > pull the .pkg off the install disk, install, and then just apply > updaters to v6.2.9, and then don't forget to repair priviliges(sp) > with DU. HTHs There it is! Pacifist is the solution that I was groping for. Thanks, guy! And the "repair" note would be to Repair Permissions. Al Poulin From alpoulin at cox.net Sat Nov 18 17:28:38 2006 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Sat Nov 18 17:28:43 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] Frances Johnson Wants Out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1add2b6bdb1e601e04307430a0ff71e4@cox.net> On Nov 18, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Frances Johnson wrote: > please remove my name from the mailing list > > thanks One may do this oneself at the website link listed in each message. Al Poulin From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 03:30:45 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Sun Nov 19 03:30:54 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] DiskWarrior recovery help. Message-ID: <2552fa090611190330w772d5f8el225a74afa15acde4@mail.gmail.com> Fink Commander crashed and seems to have taken my whole OS X system down. The system on my G5 single hung at the grey start up apple on restart (after I tried flushing the PRAM), so I booted from my Tiger install disk, and tried running the Disk Repair app and got the following: - Keys out of order - Rebuilding Catalog B-tree - The volume Macintosh HD could not be repaired - Error: The underlying task reported failure on exit 1 HFS volume checked 1 volume could not be repaired because of an error Repair attempted on 1 volume could not be repaired "First Aid failed: The underlying task reported failure on exit." I have installed a copy of Tiger onto an external Firewire HD and installed a copy of Disk Warrior (3.0.3) as well. Disk Warrior is running extremely slow. It has been work on my HD (150 GB) for about 12 hours now and it doesn't to be doing much of anything. Disk Warrior has a message that states "Speed inhibited by disk malfunction." I am wondering how long I should wait (more or less patiently) until I should give up. Should I use another tool instead, like Apple Jack... or? An alternative is that I have Xubuntu Edgy installed on another internal SATA drive on my G5 single. And I am able to boot up from that. I have run 'sudo mkdir /mnt/ osx' and 'sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb3 /mnt/osx' and I have access to my OS X HD, but when I get to my user profile, all of the folders are locked, except "bookmarks" and "desktop". Anyone know how I gain access to these? I need to backup documents, photos (including iPhoto), iTunes music, passwords from the keyring, etc. onto an extra HFS+ partition on my Firewire drive. Cheers, Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x-newbies/attachments/20061119/76051147/attachment.html From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Sun Nov 19 08:23:38 2006 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Sun Nov 19 08:23:57 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] DiskWarrior recovery help. In-Reply-To: <2552fa090611190330w772d5f8el225a74afa15acde4@mail.gmail.com> References: <2552fa090611190330w772d5f8el225a74afa15acde4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0492BD36-8BC7-4286-AC6D-865395465C55@austin.rr.com> On Nov 19, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Brian Durant wrote: > Fink Commander crashed and seems to have taken my whole OS X system > down. Sounds more like you had a hardware problem, and the program you happened to be running at the time was Fink Commander. > I have installed a copy of Tiger onto an external Firewire HD and > installed a copy of Disk Warrior (3.0.3) as well. Disk Warrior is > running extremely slow. It has been work on my HD (150 GB) for > about 12 hours now and it doesn't to be doing much of anything. > Disk Warrior has a message that states "Speed inhibited by disk > malfunction." I am wondering how long I should wait (more or less > patiently) until I should give up. Should I use another tool > instead, like Apple Jack... or? For future reference, always run Disk Warrior first. Disk Utility can putz things up so that they can't be repaired by Disk Warrior. > when I get to my user profile, all of the folders are locked, > except "bookmarks" and "desktop". Anyone know how I gain access to > these? you might be able to copy them with sudo cp -R, as in: sudo cp -R your-user-dir backup-partition If that doesn't work, once you've given up on recovering the disk, try changing the ownership of your whole user directory structure to your Xubuntu user using chown -R. Then you should be able to do anything with it. SR From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 19 10:26:16 2006 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Sun Nov 19 10:26:23 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] SOHO Organizer Issues... Message-ID: <20061119182616.55892.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone had any issues with this new software? My copy this new software is slow, non responsive and crashes at well and I have all but reached my wits' ends with no one to turn too. I'm currently running a Mac Power PC, G4, 733 MHZ ?QuickSilver? with 1.5 GB of memory and I?m using Apple?s ?Tiger? OS X 10.4.6 software. And to add fire to the flame the company makes no attempt to provide a contact number (i.e. telephone number that works) to it's customers! That's what hurts the most and really pisses me off - no way to reach a real person - talk about the gull of this provider! I?m sorry if I?m venting a bit but I?m just a little mad having just lost an entire database - not to worry it?s still on Apple?s Address Book but... I do so wish Apple would take the time to expand their Address Book application into a full blown Comerical Contact Management tool - it would be so well received! From ftf at mac.com Sun Nov 19 10:56:46 2006 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Sun Nov 19 10:57:03 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] SOHO Organizer Issues... In-Reply-To: <20061119182616.55892.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061119182616.55892.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4251E7CA-6B39-4272-9D19-E9B5E5C70A54@mac.com> On Nov 19, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > Has anyone had any issues with this new software? > > My copy this new software is slow, non responsive and > crashes at well and I have all but reached my wits' > ends with no one to turn too. > > I'm currently running a Mac Power PC, G4, 733 MHZ > ?QuickSilver? with 1.5 GB of memory and I?m using > Apple?s ?Tiger? OS X 10.4.6 software. > > And to add fire to the flame the company makes no > attempt to provide a contact number (i.e. telephone > number that works) to it's customers! > > That's what hurts the most and really pisses me off - > no way to reach a real person - talk about the gull of > this provider! > > I?m sorry if I?m venting a bit but I?m just a little > mad having just lost an entire database - not to worry > it?s still on Apple?s Address Book but... I bought several Chronos products, including StickyBrain and SOHO Labels and Envelopes, but have found them awkward to use. Have you tried this telephone number: (435) 615-7335 for Chronos at Park City, Utah? Fabian From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Sun Nov 19 13:06:44 2006 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Sun Nov 19 13:07:18 2006 Subject: [X-Newbies] DiskWarrior recovery help. In-Reply-To: <0492BD36-8BC7-4286-AC6D-865395465C55@austin.rr.com> References: <2552fa090611190330w772d5f8el225a74afa15acde4@mail.gmail.com> <0492BD36-8BC7-4286-AC6D-865395465C55@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <2552fa090611191306n3d81794dse4295e2542d13313@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the reply Steve, On 11/19/06, Steven Rogers wrote: > > > On Nov 19, 2006, at 5:30 AM, Brian Durant wrote: > > > Fink Commander crashed and seems to have taken my whole OS X system > > down. > > Sounds more like you had a hardware problem, and the program you > happened to be running at the time was Fink Commander. Could be. I didn't have any symptoms earlier, as far as I know, but I am not an expert. > > For future reference, always run Disk Warrior first. Disk Utility can > putz things up so that they can't be repaired by Disk Warrior. Yes, I have learned my lesson. > when I get to my user profile, all of the folders are locked, > > except "bookmarks" and "desktop". Anyone know how I gain access to > > these? > > you might be able to copy them with sudo cp -R, as in: sudo cp -R > your-user-dir backup-partition sudo cp -R "user-dir" /mnt/osx2 returns: cp: cannot create directory `/mnt/osx2/"user-dir"': Read-only file system If that doesn't work, once you've given up on recovering the disk, > try changing the ownership of your whole user directory structure to > your Xubuntu user using chown -R. Then you should be able to do > anything with it. I have tried 'chown -R /mnt/osx2' (assuming that /mnt/osx2 is read only. The result was: "chown: missing operand after `/mnt/osx2' Try `chown --help' for more information." /mnt/osx2 is /dev/sdc12 a large partition (but seperate - /dev/sdc12) that is on the same Firewire drive that I have installed an OS X system - where I can run DiskWarrior from Any ideas? Cheers, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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