From chasm at mac.com Sat Jun 2 01:14:26 2007 From: chasm at mac.com (Charles Martin) Date: Sat Jun 2 01:14:43 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Questions re: Classic, Applications folder, firewall, faxing In-Reply-To: <20070531134227.016DCDF821C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070531134227.016DCDF821C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <59416A63-32A9-4160-B9DC-606E9C4A784F@mac.com> > From: "Randy B. Singer" > >> Application-installed files are fine. What I meant was that you >> should not PUT things in the Application Folder that don't belong >> there, > > Maybe you know something that I don't. What sorts of things, > exactly, is it a bad idea to put in the Application Folder? It's a bad idea to put anything in the Application folder that an installer did not put there, or that is not an Application. That's why they call it ... wait for it ... the Application folder. Putting non-application stuff in there is bad because: 1. You're not putting it where it actually goes. Mac OS X has a place for Documents, Pictures, Movies, Music and other files, and the Application folder is not this place. 2. In many cases, you'll be asked for an admin password if you want to move non-apps to the Application folder. That will get old REAL FAST. 3. Some Applications depend on certain files/folders being where the installer put them. iPhoto, for example, automatically looks in the pictures folder for pictures. It won't look in the Application folder. Likewise, moving support files and preferences to the Application folder (to "keep things together" and yes I've seen this) causes files to stop working. 4. One of the best reasons to put things where they are supposed to go ... if we have to do Data Recovery because you didn't back up and the HD failed, it is HUGELY helpful to look for your precious baby pictures WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE rather than sift through literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of file fragments. I suppose no actual HARM will come to you if you put your Word files in the Application folder. It's just a dumb thing to do, since it actively involves CIRCUMVENTING the system and the software's natural settings. The phrase "asking for trouble" springs to mind. > I find this even more intriguing. Which applications, exactly, will > cause problems if you move them out of the Applications folder? FAR too many to list here. Many will stop working outright. Some will work fine, but many won't. NONE of Apple's apps that are moved outside the Applications folder will be "seen" by software update, and thus won't get updated. Most people who are dumb enough to move apps outside their designated folder put them on the desktop. This is THE WORST thing you could do! 1. The apps will no longer be seen (or usable) by other accounts. 2. The Desktop has special permissions not shared by other directories. Putting stuff out there causes permission problems. 3. The Desktop is constantly redrawn. The more stuff you put out there*, the slower the machine gets and the faster the directory gets corrupted. 4. Most backup programs look for certain folders to back up (Apple's own Backup is a good example). If you move the files from where they are supposed to be, Backup can't do its thing and the files are not backed up. 5. Keeping real things out on the desktop makes it too easy for people to carelessly delete them. We hear this literally EVERY DAY at our shop. *alias, smart folders and suchlike are pointers, not actual files, and are perfectly fine to keep on the desktop if you want. You can test this for yourself. Make a copy of any folder you have that has hundreds (or more) files in it. Put that copy on the desktop. Now time how fast the folder opens versus how fast the folder NOT on the desktop opens. Multiply this result times the GIGS of data we routinely see people put on the desktop and you'll start to get the picture. I am a certified Apple Tech at an Apple Authorised Repair Centre. The above reflects my experience for as long as I've been working with OS X (since day one, basically). You don't have to believe me if you don't want to, but as the old saying goes, "pay me now ... or pay me later." Most Macs we see in our shop are the victim of Bad Practices. Directory corruption IS A RESULT of some of the above practices. > I'm really interested if there is more to this than that. Those were some AWFULLY significant "aside from's" you listed, that in aggregate would SEVERELY hamper the experience and smooth functioning of a Mac. Add my list to that, and a clear pattern starts to emerge: Apple only imposes a light organisational structure on users, but it does so NOT for aesthetic reasons (Steve can't stand a messy desktop!), but for SOUND PRACTICAL reasons. Cheers Chas From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 2 08:41:18 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Sat Jun 2 08:41:28 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] The Aplication folder... Message-ID: <64718.42464.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Morning all... Sense the subject of Application Folders has came up, I through it might be a good time to ask a question that been bouncing around in my head for awhile... In my "Finder Folder" the first folder listed is "Applications". This is where I mount all of my application "icons". On the left hand column I have "icons for "My computer", "My Home", "My Desktop", "Applications" & Music... In this second "Icon" / application folder, I store all of my related application items by software title i.e. all that stuff that shows up when your loading a application. Question: Is this a good "best" practice or simply redundant and the act of a "control freak" such as myself? Looking forward to the feed back on this one and as always I'll offer up my "Thanks" in advance... Rick therepguy Houston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From randy at macattorney.com Sat Jun 2 15:11:08 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Sat Jun 2 15:11:22 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Questions re: Classic, Applications folder, firewall, faxing In-Reply-To: <59416A63-32A9-4160-B9DC-606E9C4A784F@mac.com> References: <20070531134227.016DCDF821C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <59416A63-32A9-4160-B9DC-606E9C4A784F@mac.com> Message-ID: <2670B461-BF4C-48BF-A0BA-2012C667F296@macattorney.com> On Jun 2, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Charles Martin wrote: > I suppose no actual HARM will come to you if you put your Word > files in the Application folder. Exactly. > >> I find this even more intriguing. Which applications, exactly, will >> cause problems if you move them out of the Applications folder? > > FAR too many to list here. Please list a few good examples. And I would still love to hear how doing so will "Play havoc with the directory." ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From randy at macattorney.com Sat Jun 2 15:13:19 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Sat Jun 2 15:13:26 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Questions re: Classic, Applications folder, firewall, faxing In-Reply-To: <59416A63-32A9-4160-B9DC-606E9C4A784F@mac.com> References: <20070531134227.016DCDF821C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <59416A63-32A9-4160-B9DC-606E9C4A784F@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jun 2, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Charles Martin wrote: > 3. The Desktop is constantly redrawn. The more stuff you put out > there*, the slower the machine gets and the faster the directory > gets corrupted. I would be really interested to see any citations that you can offer for the notion that putting things on the desktop can result in directory corruption. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 08:41:47 2007 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Mon Jun 4 08:41:56 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Application Apple Script dictionaries. Message-ID: <2552fa090706040841w546db69bx1e0734945a514262@mail.gmail.com> How do you find out what an Apple Script supported application contains in it's dictionary? I seem to remember in OS 9 you just dropped the application onto the Apple Script utility, but that doesn't seem to work in OS X. Cheers, Brian From chasm at mac.com Mon Jun 4 19:02:22 2007 From: chasm at mac.com (Charles Martin) Date: Mon Jun 4 19:02:34 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Questions re: Classic, Applications folder, firewall, faxing In-Reply-To: <20070604154200.0DC30E2BDEF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070604154200.0DC30E2BDEF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: >> I suppose no actual HARM will come to you if you put your Word >> files in the Application folder. > > Exactly. I'm not sure what point this proves, but if it makes you happy ... it's still a dumb thing to do. As much time as you spend instructing people how to properly use their computer, why you suddenly seem to want to encourage (or somehow vindicate) a bad practice like that is beyond me. >>> I find this even more intriguing. Which applications, exactly, will >>> cause problems if you move them out of the Applications folder? >> >> FAR too many to list here. > > Please list a few good examples. I'll list one that I can recall specifically: Quark Xpress. Remove the app from where the installer put it, and it fails to function. Try it yourself. Unless you're offering to pay me to test other apps for you, I would suggest that if YOU are the one who wants a list, YOU can spend the time testing apps. I'm not going to go through my application folder and test each app to find out which ones stop working FOR you. Some do, I've seen it and had to correct it with customers, but I don't recall any others specifically. You're going to have to take my word as an Apple Certified Tech that some apps stop working (and all Apple apps stop updating) when you move them from where the installer put them. It's a fact, and just because you didn't know it previously doesn't make it less factual. Test your own apps and report back -- maybe others can compare notes! But again, I think you're really missing the point -- the point being that messing with where the application's installer put things is generally a bad idea, and absolutely a bad practice. Would you put your system folder in the trash, EVEN if you could , and it continued to work from there? > And I would still love to hear how doing so will "Play havoc with the > directory." I would have thought this one was rather obvious, but I'll explain in more detail. NORMAL USE causes directory corruption. Every time you do ANYTHING on the computer, the computer keeps logs, makes temp space, and alters the directory a bit. So the directory (along with other files) is rewritten almost constantly. Sooner or later, a byte is miswritten, then read back in, then perhaps another one and another. Over time, your directory WILL become corrupt. It's the entire reason Disk Warrior EXISTS. This is perfectly normal behaviour. Cars don't run indefinitely without maintenance, boats don't sail indefinitely without barnacles and bilgewater, and computers don't always rewrite files 100% perfectly every single time. If they did, there would be no need to "repair permissions," as an example. Thus, ANYTHING that makes the computer work harder than it needs to leads to an increased risk of directory corruption. Files that are left out on the desktop are "refreshed" far more often than files put elsewhere. That's making the computer work harder than it has to. It's not the only way to make the computer do more work than necessary, but it's one way. I'm sure you get the point from here. Cheers Chas From randy at macattorney.com Mon Jun 4 23:07:26 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Mon Jun 4 23:07:35 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Questions re: Classic, Applications folder, firewall, faxing In-Reply-To: References: <20070604154200.0DC30E2BDEF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <92C10832-C6DE-493A-BB2B-BC96ED1C7DD3@macattorney.com> On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Charles Martin wrote: >>>> cause problems if you move them out of the Applications folder? >>> >>> FAR too many to list here. >> >> Please list a few good examples. > > I'll list one that I can recall specifically: Quark Xpress. Remove > the app from where the installer put it, and it fails to function. > Try it yourself. > > Unless you're offering to pay me to test other apps for you, I > would suggest that if YOU are the one who wants a list, YOU can > spend the time testing apps. > > I'm not going to go through my application folder and test each app > to find out which ones stop working FOR you. You listed _one_ application that won't run outside the Applications folder. That doesn't make it a rule. I would dare to guess that just about everyone on this list has applications in places other than the Applications folder. At the root level of their drive, in a special folder where they like to keep them, etc. I'm sure that every one of these folks can tell you that all of these applications run just fine. Even application developers often tell users to install their product "in the Applications folder, or anywhere that you want." I note that there is no Apple tech note, no Ars Technica, article, no empirical evidence gathered by MacFixIt, *nothing* saying that you have to keep all applications in the Applications folder. Because you don't. Just about every Mac user knows this from experience. It's true that its easiest (from a logical organizational standpoint), and sometimes even best, and very rarely necessary, to keep applications in the Applications folder, but its not a hard and fast rule. And in the vast majority of instances, locating an application outside of the Applications folder won't hurt anything. > >> And I would still love to hear how doing so will "Play havoc with the >> directory." > > I would have thought this one was rather obvious, but I'll explain > in more detail. > > NORMAL USE causes directory corruption. > > Thus, ANYTHING that makes the computer work harder than it needs to > leads to an increased risk of directory corruption. I can buy the argument that it is perfectly normal for the directory to become corrupted over time. However I can't think of a single reason why locating an application outside of the Applications folder, or a file outside of the Documents folder, makes the "computer work harder" or why it would lead to accelerated or abnormal directory corruption. The computer has to keep track of everything on it no matter where you put things. It doesn't have conniptions and do cartwheels if you decide to put something in one place rather than another. There are scores of Mac users who have been using OS X for five years with stuff located all over their drive, yet they have never had to run Disk Warrior and they have never suffered from directory problems. If they had, it would be a huge topic of discussion. Instead, there are threads where folks openly question whether Disk Warrior is even necessary anymore. e.g.: http://emperor.tidbits.com/webx?14@@.3c7926a4 No disrespect intended, but it sounds to me as if you are drawing conclusions that aren't warranted. Can you cite any authority for your "computer working harder/increased directory corruption" theory? Anything at all? This is the sort of thing that really strikes me as something that Apple, and several other sources, would have written something about if it were the case. It also strikes me that a "Newbies" list is the wrong place to be advocating concepts for which you have no authority to cite whatsoever, and which is contrary to common experience. If you want to broach and argue controversial theories about OS X, it might be best to save that for the X4U list, and not risk spreading FUD among newbies. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From winter at mac.com Tue Jun 5 06:47:06 2007 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Tue Jun 5 07:00:16 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Questions re: Classic, Applications folder, firewall, faxing In-Reply-To: References: <20070604154200.0DC30E2BDEF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <4ABDEA09-AF0B-43F3-88C2-C3EF4788F4FC@mac.com> On Jun 4, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Charles Martin wrote: >>> I suppose no actual HARM will come to you if you put your Word >>> files in the Application folder. >> >> Exactly. > > I'm not sure what point this proves, but if it makes you happy ... > it's still a dumb thing to do. To use an analogy, its like keeping your clean socks under the kitchen sink. Its not going to break anything, but if you have an emergency and need someone to find a pair of socks for you, don't be surprised if they come back empty handed. "Best Practice", as Charles indicates, means putting them in the documents folder. If you want to keep them grouped by application (one of the reasons I've heard for people doing this), create folders inside your "Documents" folder titled, "Word Documents" or whatever is appropriate. Don't bury them somewhere inside the /Applications/ Microsoft Office folder. Nobody but you will be able to find them, and if the Office suite needs to be replaced you may lose them all. On another note, if one wants to install apps so they aren't available to all users, I believe the recommended solution is to create an "Applications" folder within the Home directory and put it in there. -Mike From wilann at telusplanet.net Tue Jun 5 04:24:54 2007 From: wilann at telusplanet.net (W Lane) Date: Tue Jun 5 10:55:13 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] The Aplication folder... In-Reply-To: <64718.42464.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <64718.42464.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23D9EE29-A931-4A3D-B792-34BF1A950392@telusplanet.net> On 07-Jun-2, at 09:41: 18, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > In my "Finder Folder" the first folder listed is > "Applications". > > This is where I mount all of my application "icons". Right, Applications in the Applications folder > > On the left hand column The Sidebar, I assume you are referring to > I have "icons for "My > computer", "My Home", "My Desktop", "Applications" & > Music... > > In this second "Icon" / application folder, It's not a 'second Icon', it is an alias linking back to the 'real' Applications folder > I store > all of my related application items by software title > i.e. all that stuff that shows up when your loading a > application. Not sure what you mean > > > Question: Is this a good "best" practice or simply > redundant and the act of a "control freak" such as > myself? Whether you put an item into the 'real' folder or into the 'Sidebar folder of the same name', the item ends up the same place. -- William Lane Calgary, Canada via Mac OSX - Mail From randy at macattorney.com Tue Jun 5 11:11:30 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Tue Jun 5 11:11:40 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Questions re: Classic, Applications folder, firewall, faxing In-Reply-To: <4ABDEA09-AF0B-43F3-88C2-C3EF4788F4FC@mac.com> References: <20070604154200.0DC30E2BDEF@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <4ABDEA09-AF0B-43F3-88C2-C3EF4788F4FC@mac.com> Message-ID: <46589185-9A9D-4C66-959F-94BC0999E1BB@macattorney.com> On Jun 5, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Michael Winter wrote: > To use an analogy, its like keeping your clean socks under the > kitchen sink. Its not going to break anything, but if you have an > emergency and need someone to find a pair of socks for you, don't > be surprised if they come back empty handed. That's all probably true. On the other hand, it won't "Play havoc" with your directory, it won't cause runaway corruption, and in fact...it won't cause any sort of problem at all. The Mac OS is still the Mac OS, and users aren't *forced* to organize their files the way that Apple dictates. (There was rampant fear about this when OS X was first released, and it was quickly dismissed as untrue. I'm surprised that this baseless FUD has reappeared now.) I have an old blue G3 sitting here that has been running OS X since OS X was first commercially available. (Over five years.) It has never seen Disk Warrior. IIt has multiple folders at the root level of the drive, each full of a whole bunch of applications and utilities, organized so that I know what applications I've reviewed, and when. Every one of those applications has worked just as it was intended to, and the computer has been dead stable for as long as it has run OS X. Once again, I don't think that this discussion is appropriate for a "newbies" list. I don't think that we should be scaring the newbies with this. If you want to continue it, I suggest that we move it over to the X4U list. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au Wed Jun 13 05:59:18 2007 From: tjoh7019 at bigpond.net.au (tjoh7019@bigpond.net.au) Date: Wed Jun 13 05:59:23 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] A Windows Problem Message-ID: <6932007.1181739558258.JavaMail.root@web10ps> I am fluent with OS X and have few problems but also have an old Hewlet Packard with Windows 2000 on it. I can't do very basic things on it so can be regarded as a novice. Consequently I cannot tonight install a program on it, so got it wrong so then couldn't uninstall it properly and now I am stuck. Does anyone know of an equivalent forum to X-Newbies, but for Windows out there on the web that you can recommend? Tony Johansen http://www.tonyjohansen.com A Life Of Art From carwesg at aol.com Wed Jun 13 10:37:25 2007 From: carwesg at aol.com (Carole Wessel) Date: Wed Jun 13 10:37:47 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Epson Stylus 880 printer driver update Message-ID: <867603F1-512E-4F61-97E7-30B0802B5D9B@aol.com> Hi, I just bought my mom a new computer (IMAC Intel chip 10.4) and I would like to hook up her old (but in excellent shape) Epson printer Stylus 880. It's perfect for her, she is retired and prints her letters on it. I can't find any printer driver update for this model for system X on the Epson Support Website. She was using a MAC G3 with system 9 on it. I wrote to Customer service at Epson, but I have no response yet. it's an Epson Stylus 880 Any ideas? Don't tell me I should buy her a new printer.... Thanks a lot. Best, Carole From robertmacleay at mac.com Wed Jun 13 11:05:27 2007 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Wed Jun 13 11:06:26 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Epson Stylus 880 printer driver update In-Reply-To: <867603F1-512E-4F61-97E7-30B0802B5D9B@aol.com> Message-ID: Hello, Carole There is a great deal of similarity between Epsons and the driver for one will often be an acceptable substitute for another. Find a driver for a later Epson printer which uses the same engine. (Best would be a printer or all-in-one which uses the same ink cartridges and with the same printing specs - 2880 x 720) This will take some homework, I'm afraid. Other than that, buy a new printer. The current versions are so much better. On 6/13/07 11:37 AM, "Carole Wessel" wrote: > Hi, > > I just bought my mom a new computer (IMAC Intel chip 10.4) and I > would like to > hook up her old (but in excellent shape) Epson printer Stylus 880. > It's perfect for her, > she is retired and prints her letters on it. > > I can't find any printer driver update for this model for system X on > the Epson Support Website. > She was using a MAC G3 with system 9 on it. I wrote to Customer > service at Epson, > but I have no response yet. > > it's an Epson Stylus 880 > > Any ideas? Don't tell me I should buy her a new printer.... > > Thanks a lot. > Best, Carole From mliii at earthlink.net Wed Jun 13 11:31:58 2007 From: mliii at earthlink.net (Mike) Date: Wed Jun 13 11:32:09 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Epson Stylus 880 printer driver update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just out of curiosity, did you try using the printer without worrying about downloading drivers? Many of the old Epson drivers appear to be an integrated part of 10.4.x, or are already part of the system. On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Robert MacLeay wrote: > Hello, Carole > > There is a great deal of similarity between Epsons and the driver > for one > will often be an acceptable substitute for another. > > Find a driver for a later Epson printer which uses the same engine. > (Best would be a printer or all-in-one which uses the same ink > cartridges > and with the same printing specs - 2880 x 720) This will take some > homework, > I'm afraid. > > Other than that, buy a new printer. The current versions are so much > better. > > > > On 6/13/07 11:37 AM, "Carole Wessel" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just bought my mom a new computer (IMAC Intel chip 10.4) and I >> would like to >> hook up her old (but in excellent shape) Epson printer Stylus 880. >> It's perfect for her, >> she is retired and prints her letters on it. >> >> I can't find any printer driver update for this model for system X on >> the Epson Support Website. >> She was using a MAC G3 with system 9 on it. I wrote to Customer >> service at Epson, >> but I have no response yet. >> >> it's an Epson Stylus 880 >> >> Any ideas? Don't tell me I should buy her a new printer.... >> >> Thanks a lot. >> Best, Carole > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From ftf at mac.com Wed Jun 13 12:04:18 2007 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Wed Jun 13 12:05:14 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Epson Stylus 880 printer driver update In-Reply-To: <867603F1-512E-4F61-97E7-30B0802B5D9B@aol.com> References: <867603F1-512E-4F61-97E7-30B0802B5D9B@aol.com> Message-ID: <2C92B5E4-8D7F-4192-89E0-0238B2A044ED@mac.com> On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:37 AM, Carole Wessel wrote: > I just bought my mom a new computer (IMAC Intel chip 10.4) and I > would like to > hook up her old (but in excellent shape) Epson printer Stylus 880. > It's perfect for her, > she is retired and prints her letters on it. > > I can't find any printer driver update for this model for system X > on the Epson Support Website. > She was using a MAC G3 with system 9 on it. I wrote to Customer > service at Epson, > but I have no response yet. > > it's an Epson Stylus 880 > > Any ideas? Don't tell me I should buy her a new printer.... The Epson Stylus Color 880 printer is supported by Mac OS 10.4 (Tiger). For details check out the following Apple document: Fabian From joshua at gnubies.com Wed Jun 13 03:24:00 2007 From: joshua at gnubies.com (Joshua Varghese) Date: Wed Jun 13 15:12:16 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Getting rid of remnants of old uninstalled programs Message-ID: <456766C4-CE59-4C9C-B9F3-5033D0E57B27@gnubies.com> Hello everyone, I'm 12 years of age and I'm quite new to the world of the mac. I have been using a MacBook for the last 2 months. I have tried out various programs, a lot of them I didn't like and deleted. I then found that there were still files on my computer that belonged to the programs that I deleted. Can someone give me some pointers as to how I can get rid of these files. Thanks, Joshua. From randy at macattorney.com Wed Jun 13 15:43:50 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Wed Jun 13 15:44:05 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Getting rid of remnants of old uninstalled programs In-Reply-To: <456766C4-CE59-4C9C-B9F3-5033D0E57B27@gnubies.com> References: <456766C4-CE59-4C9C-B9F3-5033D0E57B27@gnubies.com> Message-ID: On Jun 13, 2007, at 3:24 AM, Joshua Varghese wrote: > I have tried out various programs, a lot of them I didn't like and > deleted. I then found that there were still files on my computer > that belonged to the programs that I deleted. > > Can someone give me some pointers as to how I can get rid of these > files. There is a PDF file that you can download from here that talks about this topic: http://godlikenerd.com/osxforumfaq/index.php? sid=183203&lang=en&action=artikel&cat=1&id=27&artlang=en ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From robertmacleay at mac.com Wed Jun 13 15:57:38 2007 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Wed Jun 13 15:58:09 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Getting rid of remnants of old uninstalled programs In-Reply-To: <456766C4-CE59-4C9C-B9F3-5033D0E57B27@gnubies.com> Message-ID: On 6/13/07 4:24 AM, "Joshua Varghese" wrote: > I have tried out various programs, a lot of them I didn't like and > deleted. I then found that there were still files on my computer that > belonged to the programs that I deleted. > > Can someone give me some pointers as to how I can get rid of these > files. A complete answer to this can be a bit complicated... If you are referring to user documents, searching by creator code or unique file extension will give you a list which you can drag to the trash. There are utilities which can help you with this. File Buddy is my personal favorite; there are others just as good and maybe free. If you are referring to support files, you will have to know where the installers put them. If the programmers followed the rules, you can search for the programs' -- and publishers' -- names and trash anything associated with them in the various Libraries. Example: in ~/Library/Application Support, you can find folders named for both applications and their publishers. These contain support files you can usually trash, but be careful; some stuff is shared between applications from the same publisher. Throwing out stuff from the various Preferences, Logs, and Caches folders is almost always safe. Unhappily, there are a lot of programmers out there who do not follow the rules. Not all of them are amateurs; some work for the biggest publishers out there. You can never be 100% sure where everything got put. The safest way is the hardest way -- nuke and pave -- but this is usually overkill. From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jun 13 19:34:55 2007 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jun 13 19:35:10 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Printers for OS 9/USB? Message-ID: I have new printers in the box for serial Macs (2500s etc) I have USB printers for my X machines But I have ONE printer that will work with USB OS 9 computers that cannot run X Is there such an animal left to buy as many of my people don't still want to go with X because they would have to buy a whole new computer yet their printers are dying.... Yes I have suggested they just get a new computer but that doesn't always fly with the older set. From scott-xlists at scotist.com Wed Jun 13 21:46:58 2007 From: scott-xlists at scotist.com (Scott) Date: Wed Jun 13 21:47:07 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Printers for OS 9/USB? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FEE8DE8-E8A9-441D-9A6F-975785B6B406@scotist.com> On Jun 13, 2007, at 7:34 PM, J wrote: > I have new printers in the box for serial Macs (2500s etc) > I have USB printers for my X machines > > But I have ONE printer that will work with USB OS 9 computers that > cannot run X > > Is there such an animal left to buy as many of my people don't > still want to go with X because they would have to buy a whole new > computer yet their printers are dying.... > > Yes I have suggested they just get a new computer but that doesn't > always fly with the older set. > You have one printer, or you're looking for one printer? I had to source an OS9 USB printer last year for a client. We ended up going with an Epson R200. It has drivers for OS 9 and OS X. It's no longer available in stores, so I ended up finding a new in box unit on eBay for $110 including shipping. This was back in September. You may find it listed on various online stores. You might want to call before ordering, as at least some of them are not well maintained. Don't bother ordering from Legend Micro, btw. I went down a two-day dead-end ordering from them (112 inc. shipping). The site said they had it in stock, but two days later I received email stating it was 'backordered'. Despite following the instructions in the email, replying to cancel the order, I am still to this day receiving "your order is back- ordered" emails from them. -- Scott From randy at macattorney.com Wed Jun 13 22:25:18 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Wed Jun 13 22:25:38 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Printers for OS 9/USB? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31EC3D91-F23B-424B-A926-E85171834718@macattorney.com> On Jun 13, 2007, at 7:34 PM, J wrote: > But I have ONE printer that will work with USB OS 9 computers that > cannot run X If you want to find a USB printer for a Macintosh running OS 9, it's pretty easy. Just go to the Web site of the manufacturer of a type of printer you are considering , choose "Support" and "Downloads/Drivers" and have a look at the drivers for their printers. Here is the list of inkjet printers for Epson, and clicking on any one of them will show you the drivers that are available: I quickly found that the Epson Stylus C80 has an OS 9 driver available: As does the Epson Stylus Color 800 I'm willing to bet that OS 9 drivers are available on that site for a whole bunch of printers. I'm also sure that there are a lot of OS 9 drivers available on the Web sites of Canon, HP, Brother, etc. You just have to look for them. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jun 13 22:29:07 2007 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jun 13 22:29:22 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Printers for OS 9/USB? In-Reply-To: <31EC3D91-F23B-424B-A926-E85171834718@macattorney.com> References: <31EC3D91-F23B-424B-A926-E85171834718@macattorney.com> Message-ID: Thanks Randy...don't know where you find the time to do this research AND your job to. :-) On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Randy B. Singer wrote: > > On Jun 13, 2007, at 7:34 PM, J wrote: > >> But I have ONE printer that will work with USB OS 9 computers that >> cannot run X > > If you want to find a USB printer for a Macintosh running OS 9, > it's pretty easy. > > Just go to the Web site of the manufacturer of a type of printer > you are considering , choose "Support" and "Downloads/Drivers" and > have a look at the drivers for their printers. > > Here is the list of inkjet printers for Epson, and clicking on any > one of them will show you the drivers that are available: > BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=-10237&infoType=Overview> > > I quickly found that the Epson Stylus C80 has an OS 9 driver > available: > BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=14411&prodoid=7512888&infoType=Downloads&platfo > rm=Macintosh> > > As does the Epson Stylus Color 800 > BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=14388&prodoid=8255&infoType=Downloads&platform= > Macintosh> > > I'm willing to bet that OS 9 drivers are available on that site for > a whole bunch of printers. > > I'm also sure that there are a lot of OS 9 drivers available on the > Web sites of Canon, HP, Brother, etc. You just have to look for them. > > ___________________________________________ > Randy B. Singer > Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) > > Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html > ___________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From randy at macattorney.com Wed Jun 13 22:49:09 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Wed Jun 13 22:49:20 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Printers for OS 9/USB? In-Reply-To: References: <31EC3D91-F23B-424B-A926-E85171834718@macattorney.com> Message-ID: On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:29 PM, J wrote: > Thanks Randy...don't know where you find the time to do this > research AND your job to. :-) My pleasure! Actually it only took me all of about 2 minutes to check out the Epson Web site. It was a nice two minute diversion from my work, which I'm sitting here doing. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From blanc.cyril at wanadoo.fr Thu Jun 14 00:17:11 2007 From: blanc.cyril at wanadoo.fr (cyril blanc) Date: Thu Jun 14 00:17:32 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Epson Stylus 880 printer driver update In-Reply-To: <867603F1-512E-4F61-97E7-30B0802B5D9B@aol.com> References: <867603F1-512E-4F61-97E7-30B0802B5D9B@aol.com> Message-ID: <420CEF10-02A4-4F0F-B6DE-AC6EBF6B7874@wanadoo.fr> Phone me we your are awake Cyril On Jun 13, 2007, at 7:37 PM, Carole Wessel wrote: > Hi, > > I just bought my mom a new computer (IMAC Intel chip 10.4) and I > would like to > hook up her old (but in excellent shape) Epson printer Stylus 880. > It's perfect for her, > she is retired and prints her letters on it. > > I can't find any printer driver update for this model for system X > on the Epson Support Website. > She was using a MAC G3 with system 9 on it. I wrote to Customer > service at Epson, > but I have no response yet. > > it's an Epson Stylus 880 > > Any ideas? Don't tell me I should buy her a new printer.... > > Thanks a lot. > Best, Carole > > > _______________________________________________ > X-Newbies mailing list > X-Newbies@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x-newbies > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus > mail.Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. > > Best Cyril ----------------------------------------------------------- My Mail is filtered by Wanadoo and Personal Antispam. Join the Independent Quantum Leap Symphony orchestra (Q.L.S.O.) and Symphonic Choir Forum for Mac http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qlso A6 Andromeda forum : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/A6_andromeda From robertmacleay at mac.com Thu Jun 14 10:43:51 2007 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Thu Jun 14 10:44:41 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Printers for OS 9/USB? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/13/07 8:34 PM, "J" wrote: > I have new printers in the box for serial Macs (2500s etc) > I have USB printers for my X machines > > But I have ONE printer that will work with USB OS 9 computers that > cannot run X > > Is there such an animal left to buy as many of my people don't still > want to go with X because they would have to buy a whole new computer > yet their printers are dying.... Serial and USB do not constitute the entire gamut of modern printers. Any printer with Postscript and ethernet will support just about any Mac from about System 7 onwards. Most of these printers are heavy duty (rated in thousands of pages per month) and designed for office use. New, they will probably be more than you are prepared to spend, but second-hand is a different story. Laser printers which cost thousands when new can be had for under $200. Your people will wear out before these industrial-strength machines do. From chasm at mac.com Thu Jun 14 12:06:39 2007 From: chasm at mac.com (Charles Martin) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:06:54 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Printers for OS 9/USB? In-Reply-To: <20070614054920.3B747EB0EC0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070614054920.3B747EB0EC0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <7C3C55D4-6C27-4771-A30F-F4E7521AA07A@mac.com> > From: J > Subject: [X-Newbies] Printers for OS 9/USB? > > Is there such an animal left to buy as many of my people don't still > want to go with X because they would have to buy a whole new computer > yet their printers are dying.... > > Yes I have suggested they just get a new computer but that doesn't > always fly with the older set. Mac OS X has been out for almost SEVEN years now. There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not having made the transition by now. Including budget -- a used Mac capable of running OS X might set you back as little as $50. Any Mac that has at least a G3, firewire ports and (I would suggest a minimum of) 512MB of RAM can run Tiger. That takes you back to 2001, and apparently from then till now is how long you can have your head buried up ... I mean in the sand. You should have been firmer with these folks a LONG time ago, and now it's come back to bite them. I empathise with the resistance to change in older clients, but just as with cars, television and government, change is an ESSENTIAL part of the process and you CAN'T ignore it without consequences. The long lead time of Classic was intended to foster a GENTLE transition, but even THAT ended almost three years ago, and nobody who's made the transition has really missed it much! I believe there are a SMALL handful of Epson, HP and Lexmark printers that still offer OS 9 drivers. You'll need to cross-check the product pages of each's current offerings and see. In the meantime, I would **strongly** suggest you get these folks who's machines qualify or who are near/in the market for a new machine moved over to OS X **NOW**. Cheers Chas From chasm at mac.com Thu Jun 14 12:10:33 2007 From: chasm at mac.com (Charles Martin) Date: Thu Jun 14 12:10:41 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Printers for OS 9/USB? In-Reply-To: <20070614054920.3B747EB0EC0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070614054920.3B747EB0EC0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: > From: J > > Thanks Randy...don't know where you find the time to do this research > AND your job to. :-) Randy neglects to mention (or may not be aware) that both of the models he suggested are long since discontinued and not available in stores. You might find some online or on ebay, however. Cheers Chas From alpoulin at cox.net Thu Jun 14 14:00:54 2007 From: alpoulin at cox.net (Al Poulin) Date: Thu Jun 14 14:01:42 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Printers for OS 9/USB? In-Reply-To: <7C3C55D4-6C27-4771-A30F-F4E7521AA07A@mac.com> References: <20070614054920.3B747EB0EC0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <7C3C55D4-6C27-4771-A30F-F4E7521AA07A@mac.com> Message-ID: <1aea7e7fe6d364877b792473710dad3d@cox.net> On Jun 14, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Charles Martin wrote: > > Mac OS X has been out for almost SEVEN years now. > > There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not having made the transition by > now. Including budget -- a used Mac capable of running OS X might set > you back as little as $50. Any Mac that has at least a G3, firewire > ports and (I would suggest a minimum of) 512MB of RAM can run Tiger. That still depends, really! Our G3/333 Lombard, vintage 1999, with 64 MB RAM running OS 9.1 is still doing its job for my wife on her genealogy research trips, the application being Reunion 5. Its only "upgrade" is a wireless PC card. Our main machine is a Quicksilver G4/733 with Panther 10.3.9, and I eventually broke down my resistance to buy my own genealogy laptop. It's an iBook G4/1.33 using Reunion 8 with Tiger 10.4.9. I'll need to get an Intel iMac this year to deal with some Windows-only CDs. But we do not see a need yet to replace the old Lombard. Maybe if I run my car over it? Al Poulin From randy at macattorney.com Thu Jun 14 19:55:14 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Thu Jun 14 19:55:30 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Re: Printers for OS 9/USB? In-Reply-To: <1aea7e7fe6d364877b792473710dad3d@cox.net> References: <20070614054920.3B747EB0EC0@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <7C3C55D4-6C27-4771-A30F-F4E7521AA07A@mac.com> <1aea7e7fe6d364877b792473710dad3d@cox.net> Message-ID: On Jun 14, 2007, at 2:00 PM, Al Poulin wrote: > But we do not see a need yet to replace the old Lombard. Maybe if > I run my car over it? Many businesses don't replace their hardware until it either breaks, or there is new software available that they consider a must-have that won't run on the older hardware. I have long ago given up trying to persuade folks with old Macs that are working perfectly, and which still meet their needs perfectly, to upgrade. It's like talking to myself. I simply hope that when such folks finally do decide to upgrade that there are still translators available so that they can still use their old files with modern applications, and that there are still adapters available so that they can still use their old peripherals (which they also often refuse to give up.) I was still dealing with businesses that wanted to convert their word processing data to be usable on their new Macs many years after not only Wang discontinued their word processing hardware, but well after all of the businesses that sprung up to convert such data had gone out of business! ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From themacintoshlady at earthlink.net Wed Jun 20 18:35:41 2007 From: themacintoshlady at earthlink.net (J) Date: Wed Jun 20 18:35:51 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Chopping Audio Files in iTunes Message-ID: <74EB2DDA-EFE1-4107-9495-5650AE1E9CC9@earthlink.net> OK please bear with me...I've forgotten how I did something over and over, because I have not done it in a while. I stopped podcasting our radio show in 2005 because I was getting tired of taking 2 600 MB FM quality files that were recorded on a CD recorder -- one for each of the two hours -- and having to reimport it at a lesser quality, bringing it down to 9 MB per hour and also, cutting out some intros at the start that were not clear. I haven't decided to do that again, but have one file I want to chop for another reason. Now I can't remember how! I thought the process was to first import the file Then do get Info and set the time you wanted it to start - ok so far And then where to put in the recipe for the quality? I can't find that. Then to re-import - not working! What did I do wrong? I have to move it out of the iTunes folder first, I think that may be it, and start again, with a new name for the file. Currently just trying to chop and re-import, and can't figure that out. I still have the 'recipe' somewhere....for the quality. I am doing too many things.. From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 05:54:33 2007 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Fri Jun 22 05:54:44 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Set 'All Windows' and other view options via AppleScript. Message-ID: <2552fa090706220554q783b1804g837f7d6f8ec9e5f9@mail.gmail.com> Scott Buntin posted the AppleScript below, to the list in response to a question I had last October. What has frustrated me with OS X in this connection is that there appears to be no way that Finder window options can be applied universally. Is there a way to change the original script so that the same size is applied to all windows? -- ----------------------- tell application "Finder" activate make new Finder window set target of Finder window 1 to computer container set sidebar width of Finder window 1 to 0 set toolbar visible of Finder window 1 to true end tell -- ----------------------- I found the following script at Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to follow the KISS principle, thus making it very difficult for an AppleScript novice like me to cut it down to the essentials. Scott, if you are out there, or if anyone else has any input on this issue, I would appreciate it. Cheers, Brian From scott-xlists at scotist.com Fri Jun 22 09:58:59 2007 From: scott-xlists at scotist.com (Scott) Date: Fri Jun 22 09:59:10 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Set 'All Windows' and other view options via AppleScript. In-Reply-To: <2552fa090706220554q783b1804g837f7d6f8ec9e5f9@mail.gmail.com> References: <2552fa090706220554q783b1804g837f7d6f8ec9e5f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6BE69151-1579-4E59-9EB9-84A7DE689E38@scotist.com> On Jun 22, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Brian Durant wrote: > Scott Buntin posted the AppleScript below, to the list in response to > a question I had last October. What has frustrated me with OS X in > this connection is that there appears to be no way that Finder window > options can be applied universally. Is there a way to change the > original script so that the same size is applied to all windows? > > -- ----------------------- > tell application "Finder" > activate > make new Finder window > set target of Finder window 1 to computer container > set sidebar width of Finder window 1 to 0 > set toolbar visible of Finder window 1 to true > end tell > -- ----------------------- > > I found the following script at index.php?page=5> > > Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to follow the KISS principle, thus > making it very difficult for an AppleScript novice like me to cut it > down to the essentials. > > Scott, if you are out there, or if anyone else has any input on this > issue, I would appreciate it. > Making that apply to all finder windows would, I think, involve opening every folder on your drive (at least those you might actually open in the future). I think the only hope is some sort of 'defaults write...' command that might convince the Finder to permanently hide the sidebar. That, of course, would depend on Apple's programmers having left in a hook to make that possible. As for the macosxhints script... which script, exactly, are you referring to? I didn't see anything on htat page regarding finder windows.There's a script to open many windows in Terminal, but that doesn't help much I think. From globetrotterdk at gmail.com Fri Jun 22 12:50:48 2007 From: globetrotterdk at gmail.com (Brian Durant) Date: Fri Jun 22 12:50:57 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] iTunes streaming to UPnP device. Message-ID: <2552fa090706221250w5f5c15bbhd5e2a276fecad0c0@mail.gmail.com> I have a G5 (PPC) (Airport enabled) connected by Ethernet to a wireless home network router and would like to stream iTunes to a UPnP device (Philips MCW770 Wireless PC Link Micro). I have been looking at Allegro Media Server as a possible alternative, but am really missing some HowTos. I have tried with the standard Philips sotware install on a PC, but even on a PC, the whole setup is buggy as all get out. I have no idea how to start accessing the Philips audio system from my G5. Cheers, Brian From r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 22 22:59:18 2007 From: r.ramsowr at sbcglobal.net (Richard Ramsowr) Date: Fri Jun 22 22:59:21 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Got a question about the care and feeding of "disk images" Message-ID: <449374.15043.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is it really necessary to keep and store such things as the disk images of an application after a successful install? I'm trying to cut down on my stored files on my drive. From tcoulon at decoulon.ch Fri Jun 22 23:06:26 2007 From: tcoulon at decoulon.ch (Thierry de Coulon) Date: Fri Jun 22 23:06:49 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Got a question about the care and feeding of "disk images" In-Reply-To: <449374.15043.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <449374.15043.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200706230806.26952.tcoulon@decoulon.ch> On Saturday 23 June 2007 07:59, Richard Ramsowr wrote: > Is it really necessary to keep and store such things > as the disk images of an application after a > successful install? Well, if you're sure you'll never have to install again...... Thierry From srogers1 at austin.rr.com Fri Jun 22 23:33:16 2007 From: srogers1 at austin.rr.com (Steven Rogers) Date: Fri Jun 22 23:33:28 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Got a question about the care and feeding of "disk images" In-Reply-To: <200706230806.26952.tcoulon@decoulon.ch> References: <449374.15043.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200706230806.26952.tcoulon@decoulon.ch> Message-ID: On Jun 23, 2007, at 1:06 AM, Thierry de Coulon wrote: > On Saturday 23 June 2007 07:59, Richard Ramsowr wrote: >> Is it really necessary to keep and store such things >> as the disk images of an application after a >> successful install? > > Well, if you're sure you'll never have to install again...... Install the app, throw the image away, and make regular backups. Keeping the images around is an inefficient way to backup because you have to restore each app manually. SR From robertmacleay at mac.com Sat Jun 23 08:49:27 2007 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Sat Jun 23 08:49:35 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] Got a question about the care and feeding of "disk images" In-Reply-To: <449374.15043.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/22/07 11:59 PM, "Richard Ramsowr" wrote: > Is it really necessary to keep and store such things > as the disk images of an application after a > successful install? > > I'm trying to cut down on my stored files on my drive. Why would you want them again? 1) in case your drive fails and you have to get a new one and install from scratch again. (Drives do fail) 2) in case you buy a new computer and have to install from scratch again. (You were gonna keep that same computer the rest of your life?) 3) in case some new application or OS update or malware(!) trashes your current installation so badly you have to install from scratch again. (Happens every day.) Note one common factor among these scenarios: A disk image residing on your hard disk won't do you a bit of good. That is why God gave us CDs/DVDs to burn. Just choose a reliable brand, so it will outlast you computer. From kurt.streeter at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jun 24 08:36:59 2007 From: kurt.streeter at yahoo.co.uk (Kurt Streeter) Date: Sun Jun 24 08:33:34 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: References: <449374.15043.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200706230806.26952.tcoulon@decoulon.ch> Message-ID: <6EC63CD8-1087-461C-85C1-A3A02D2A92BE@yahoo.co.uk> Hi all, I'm running a Dual Core 2GHz 17" iMac, and have the 160GB master drive in two partitions (60GB for OSX 10.4.10 and 100GB which was originally used for Windows XP via BootCamp). I have since decided not to run XP on this machine, and want to format the partition to be used for file storage, etc. My problem is that Disk Utility is not recognizing the drive as formattable (presumably because it was formatted as a FAT32 partition by BootCamp). Please let me know how I get my system to format the partition as a Mac based (usable) drive. Looking forward to your response. Cheers, Kurt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x-newbies/attachments/20070624/4452315d/attachment.html From tcoulon at decoulon.ch Sun Jun 24 08:51:52 2007 From: tcoulon at decoulon.ch (Thierry de Coulon) Date: Sun Jun 24 08:52:12 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: <6EC63CD8-1087-461C-85C1-A3A02D2A92BE@yahoo.co.uk> References: <449374.15043.qm@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6EC63CD8-1087-461C-85C1-A3A02D2A92BE@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <200706241751.52911.tcoulon@decoulon.ch> On Sunday 24 June 2007 17:36, Kurt Streeter wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm running a Dual Core 2GHz 17" iMac, and have the 160GB master > drive in two partitions (60GB for OSX 10.4.10 and 100GB which was > originally used for Windows XP via BootCamp). I have since decided > not to run XP on this machine, and want to format the partition to be > used for file storage, etc. > > My problem is that Disk Utility is not recognizing the drive as > formattable (presumably because it was formatted as a FAT32 partition > by BootCamp). Please let me know how I get my system to format the > partition as a Mac based (usable) drive. > > Looking forward to your response. > > Cheers, > Kurt Hi Kurt, I think I came across something like that in another situation. In the Disk utility there should be somewhere an option to choose between a PC partition table (what you probably have on that disk) and a Mac partition table. You should change to the Mac style to be able to use it with Mac OS. Thierry From robertmacleay at mac.com Sun Jun 24 09:00:55 2007 From: robertmacleay at mac.com (Robert MacLeay) Date: Sun Jun 24 09:00:59 2007 Subject: [X-Newbies] In-Reply-To: <6EC63CD8-1087-461C-85C1-A3A02D2A92BE@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: On 6/24/07 9:36 AM, "Kurt Streeter" wrote: > I'm running a Dual Core 2GHz 17" iMac, and have the 160GB master drive in two > partitions (60GB for OSX 10.4.10 and 100GB which was originally used for > Windows XP via BootCamp). I have since decided not to run XP on this machine, > and want to format the partition to be used for file storage, etc. > > My problem is that Disk Utility is not?recognizing the drive as formattable > (presumably because it was formatted as a FAT32 partition by BootCamp). Please > let me know how I get my system to format the partition as a Mac based > (usable) drive. To delete a Windows partition on a computer with multiple internal disks: 1 Start up in Mac OS X. 2 Quit all open applications and log out any other users on your computer. 3 Open Boot Camp Assistant. 4 Select ?Create or remove a Windows partition? and click Continue. 5 Select the disk with Windows on it. 6 Select ?Restore to a single Mac OS partition? and click Continue.