Hello, I copied some files off a CD ROM to my HD and they showed up like : -rw-rw-rw- 1 davidgil unknown 40653710 20 Dec 11:44 Audio 1_02.wav -rw-rw-rw- 1 davidgil unknown 9124092 20 Dec 11:38 Audio 2_01.wav -rw-rw-rw- 1 davidgil unknown 40653710 20 Dec 11:44 Audio 2_02.wav -rw-rw-rw- 1 davidgil unknown 9124092 20 Dec 11:38 Audio 3_01.wav -rw-rw-rw- 1 davidgil unknown 40653710 20 Dec 11:44 Audio 3_02.wav Now I can not rename them in the finder (for some unknown reason), and would like to also change the group settings to the example below: -rw-r--r-- 1 davidgil staff 4816445 15 Dec 23:22 DLS61aMac.sit I am guessing that this will solve the problem with renaming. How do I do this (I am in Panther using Bash shell) Thanks, Dave ( kora musician / audiophile / web master @ cora connection / Ft. Worth, TX, USA)