This is an esoteric problem, so skip reading unless you are interested in the greasy bowels of OS X. Sigh... too many balls in the air (assorted changes) to know exactly when this problem started, and hence easily back-out things... (i.e. Quite a few updates to things since mid-January when I last had went to use console.app) The symptoms: 1- console.app launches puts up two blank windows (normal for me). The two windows are the console and system log. "Normally" after a period of time, typically 2-5 seconds, the two windows populate with the contents of their respective log files. Now however, they simply spin the beach ball. Trying to quit console.app -- fails... go to the dock... "force quit" is showing... it force quits. 2- clear out /system/library/caches /library/caches and Extensions.kextcache ... it works again. 3- Similar behavior from System profiler. 4- Similar behavior from Disk Utility -- disks are listed ok. Select a disk and the beachball spins. Nothing obviously wrong with permissions ... (Terminal always works fine.) The only "wierd error" in startup I find, is that ntpdate now fails on every reboot. (If you run ntpdate manually, it complains, as expected, that the port is in use, but then fails with a bus error. So this one can be easily ignored.) And occasionally: "mach_init[2]: Server 0 in bootstrap d03 uid 0: "/usr/sbin/lookupd": exited as a result of signal 1 [pid 162]" Then lookupd apparently restarts with no problem. This bothers me, but doesn't appear to be a real problem. I'm currently favoring a USB related problem: During the course of tracking this down, I also had my Kensington wireless trackball suddenly stop working... but a "plain" USB mouse plugged into my MacAllay keyboard, and the keyboard work fine. Also ... my Epson CX5200 prints with no problems... but the scanner can't be seen. Power cycling the world doesn't seem to have any effect. Only clearing the ktextcache. So, I assume that the original ktext extension files are intact, but once the ktextcache is created the data there is corrupt. ??? Any ideas. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill at mcgillsociety.org magill at acm.org magill at mac.com