On Aug 22, 2005, at 6:47, Timothy Luoma wrote: > I may have my terminology wrong... I'm looking for the created > date, the date the file was first made, regardless of when it was > last opened or modified. Yes, ctime means (fom stat(2)): Time when file status was last changed (inode data modification). Changed by the chmod(2), chown(2), link(2), mknod(2), rename(2), unlink(2), utimes(2) and write(2) system calls. There is a "B" in the man page of stat(1) that means "birth time of the inode", but I get a "bad format" error no matter what I try, and this message suggests it is not actually built on OS X: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-coreutils/2004-02/ msg00070.html Looks like the Foundation framework gives access to the creation date since 10.2: the class NSFileManager documents a method to get file attributes and among them we have NSFileCreationDate | NSDate (Available in Mac OS X v10.2 and later.) With the help of people from freenode#macdev I wrote an Objective-C program (attached) that prints exactly what you want. To compile it (developer tools needed): gcc -framework Cocoa -o creation_date creation_date.m It receives a file as argument name and prints its creation date in that format: % ./creation_date foo.rb 2005-07-15 -- fxn -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: creation_date.m Type: application/octet-stream Size: 938 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x-unix/attachments/20050822/a1db53bb/creation_date.obj