J Flenner said: >At least, I think they're kernel panics: a box that orders me in 4 languages >to shutdown and grays my screen over wherever I was when it happened. > >I use Mac OS 10.2.8 on a 17-inch flatscreen iMac, still under warranty. ... >I'm taking it to the shop tomorrow unless you tell me there's still >something I >should try. If your computer is still under warranty, taking it back to the shop is a good idea. What you experienced was indeed a kernel panic. See: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106227 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25392 If your Macintosh is in good working order you should never see a kernel panic. In my experience, kernel panics are usually (but not always) caused by a hardware problem. Most often bad RAM (usually non-Apple RAM), or a bad USB hub or USB device. (It can also be due to an incompatible PCI card, but obviously that isn't the case with your iMac.) Troubleshooting usually entails disconnecting all non-essential USB peripherals, and if that doesn't help, removing all non-Apple RAM and seeing if that helps. You can also try moving RAM from one slot to another. You can use Memtest (free) to check your RAM, but no memory testing utility can do a through job: http://www.memtestosx.org/ If the problem isn't due to a USB peripheral or RAM, then you can start suspecting third party applications, especially those that install kernel extensions. Ironically, you are using Norton Utilities to try and fix your problem. Norton Utilities, when installed on your hard drive, have been implicated with causing nasty instability issues with OS X. See: http://www.macattorney.com/tutorial.html Item #'s 3, 10 and 11 Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) Routine OS X Maintenance and Generic Troubleshooting http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html