Yeah, sometime around 2004... Vaporware s--l--o--w--l--y coalescing into an actual product. I guess the cattle drive went off course so far that they had to change the name. You know, there are usually one or two things they actually innovate... If only they would do more often, like every other year rather than once a decade. Steve > IIRC, wasn't vista/longhorn supposed to have been out long ago?