From netkat at comcast.net Wed Nov 1 07:23:10 2006 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Wed Nov 1 07:23:17 2006 Subject: [X4U] failed burn verification Message-ID: <85f4f00a71d204ca7de41748c2138222@comcast.net> If one is burning a DVD and gets a failure notice during the verification phase, yet that same disc's files can be opened/read/viewed, then how serious an issue is that failure warning? nk From bob.virzi at verizon.com Wed Nov 1 07:02:32 2006 From: bob.virzi at verizon.com (Robert A. Virzi) Date: Wed Nov 1 08:15:20 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 Message-ID: Okay, 10.4.8 pretty much s*cks. IE no longer runs, Spotlight privacy is flaky, and I am seeing crashes in Eudora and SuperDuper that I've never had before. SD tech support says this is a know apple-introduced bug causing their failures. So what's the process for backing out 10.4.8 to the earlier release? 10.4.7 was stable as can be for me. This is on a macbook pro if that matters. -Bob From tnoel at mac.com Wed Nov 1 08:34:19 2006 From: tnoel at mac.com (Thomas Noel) Date: Wed Nov 1 08:33:36 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3584B897-B3CC-4599-9A89-43984BF77762@mac.com> Just do a restore of the drive from your last image made just before you did the upgrade. You did do a backup image, right? On Nov 1, 2006, at 7:02 AM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > Okay, 10.4.8 pretty much s*cks. IE no longer runs, Spotlight > privacy is flaky, and I am seeing crashes in Eudora and SuperDuper > that I've never had before. SD tech support says this is a know > apple-introduced bug causing their failures. > > So what's the process for backing out 10.4.8 to the earlier > release? 10.4.7 was stable as can be for me. This is on a macbook > pro if that matters. > -Bob > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From XPressoBean at mac.com Wed Nov 1 08:34:56 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Wed Nov 1 08:35:16 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/1/06 9:02 AM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > IE no longer runs, Sure it does. Simply change the home page it's trying to load in its preferences -- at least, that worked for me on my 17" PowerBook. (Disclaimer: Before anyone flames me, NO it's not my main browser. I have to use it for printing FedEx shipping labels, as other browsers seem to print the bar codes too small to be scanned by the drivers' hand-held scanners.) From nickscalise at cox.net Wed Nov 1 08:56:14 2006 From: nickscalise at cox.net (Nick Scalise) Date: Wed Nov 1 08:56:22 2006 Subject: [X4U] DVDs which fail verification Message-ID: <12551549.1162400174812.JavaMail.root@centrmwml06.mgt.cox.net> ---- nk wrote: > Once in awhile, I get a DVD which fails the verification part of > burning. > is this something I need to take seriously? when I test such "failed" > discs, I can open, play or view the contents, as the case may be. > > What does the failure warning actually mean? In my understanding, verification compares each bit on your hard drive to each bit that is written to the DVD. If a certain number of bits are different, it fails. I have had some fail too, and played them in my DVD player just fine. If it's backup data, I probably would reburn. If it is a movie, maybe not. It's up to you how seriously you should take the warning. -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net From dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 1 09:30:28 2006 From: dledger at ivdcs.demon.co.uk (David Ledger) Date: Wed Nov 1 09:34:34 2006 Subject: [X4U] Command to get permissions of a single item? In-Reply-To: <20061031135053.09C0C36400F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061031135053.09C0C36400F@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Once you've got the permissions string from `ls -l pathname` you can convert to the octal version for use with chmod, if you need to with my prots2mode function: (written for ksh). It expects and ignores the first character which is the '-', 'd', 'b, or whatever. Hint: If you're using a shell that has array variables you can set -A lsline x $(ls -dl pathname) or if not but you don't need the positional parameters any more set x $(ls -dl pathname) and ${lsline[1]} or $2 will contain the permission string. The 'x' is only needed because the '-' on the front of a file listing would act as a flag and confuse it. 'lsline' can, of course, be any variable name. The 'd' flag to 'ls' makes it work on directories themselves as well. David >From: Jerry Krinock >For a shell script I'm writing. I need a command which will get the >permissions, either as a string or an octal number, for a single item >(directory, regular file, or symlink). > >I thought this would be easy, but after an hour of searching I can't find >such a thing. The only command I can find for reading permissions is "ls", >but of course that gives it for ITEMS IN the subject, which must be a >directory. > >Isn't there a non-recursive command to simply "get item's permissions", >(and/or other metadata)? > >We have chmod to CHANGE the permissions, but how can we READ them? -- David Ledger - Freelance Unix Sysadmin in the UK. Chair of HPUX SysAdmin SIG of hpUG technical user group (www.hpug.org.uk) david.ledger@ivdcs.co.uk www.ivdcs.co.uk From kuestner at macnews.de Wed Nov 1 10:02:46 2006 From: kuestner at macnews.de (B. Kuestner) Date: Wed Nov 1 10:03:14 2006 Subject: [X4U] DVDs which fail verification In-Reply-To: <6d11e2727859f208487373e132ab20a0@comcast.net> References: <6d11e2727859f208487373e132ab20a0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <366E9E81-8EC3-455D-BAF8-A3CAC45BA669@macnews.de> Failure means, that the original and bit do not match bit by bit. For videos that might be okay: You will either not notice any problems at all or just have an occasional optical or audio glitch. For data, of course, every bit can count. Generally, if your burn results are bad enough that the error correction cannot compensate for them, you should probably find other media which better match with your burner. There are likely other problems lurking on the disc that are not showing at the moment, because the DVD's error correction makes up for them. But if aging of the disk or scratching adds more unreadable bits, then you have little room for the error correction to handle these problems. Bj?rn From mac.k at a2k.ch Wed Nov 1 11:46:14 2006 From: mac.k at a2k.ch (alexandre) Date: Wed Nov 1 11:46:39 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33C35BD3-4514-49CC-9A99-A728C4C3F3EB@a2k.ch> On 1 nov. 06, at 17:34, Linda wrote: > On 11/1/06 9:02 AM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > >> IE no longer runs, > hum? why don't you use firefox instead? explorer started crashing on me back in 10.4.something, but that thing hasn't been updated in, what, 5 years? regards alexandre :: 17" 1.5ghz powerbook / 1.5gb / 100gb@7200 / X.4.8 :: From shindell at dataoptics.com Wed Nov 1 11:55:41 2006 From: shindell at dataoptics.com (David Shindell) Date: Wed Nov 1 11:55:52 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <20061101165627.68A2436F1E2@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061101165627.68A2436F1E2@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <08A0B596-7712-4533-BC17-A4B437458446@dataoptics.com> On 01 Nov 2006, at 11:56 AM, Linda wrote: > > (Disclaimer: Before anyone flames me, NO it's not my main browser. > I have to > use it for printing FedEx shipping labels, as other browsers seem > to print > the bar codes too small to be scanned by the drivers' hand-held > scanners.) Just a note on the above, I have been using Safari for FedEx labels created from their web site without problem for several years. (Before that, I did have a problem.) I would suggest trying it again. Are you printing it with settings for US Letter? From XPressoBean at mac.com Wed Nov 1 12:04:32 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:04:43 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <08A0B596-7712-4533-BC17-A4B437458446@dataoptics.com> Message-ID: On 11/1/06 1:55 PM, David Shindell wrote: > Just a note on the above, I have been using Safari for FedEx labels > created from their web site without problem for several years. > (Before that, I did have a problem.) I would suggest trying it > again. Are you printing it with settings for US Letter? > _______________________________________________ Yep, US letter. It's good to know Safari is working with FedEx.com now; my experience was under Jaguar, and I admit to not trying again since -- no one likes an angry FedEx guy! :-) It's important to keep those guys happy. From bob.virzi at verizon.com Wed Nov 1 11:10:00 2006 From: bob.virzi at verizon.com (Robert A. Virzi) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:17:05 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Linda- Thanks! You're absolutely right, it was the MSN page that caused IE to crash. Like you, I find it handy to have IE around, and was annoyed at the problem. All gone now! -Bob At 10:34 AM -0600 11/1/06, Linda wrote: >On 11/1/06 9:02 AM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > >> IE no longer runs, > >Sure it does. Simply change the home page it's trying to load in its >preferences -- at least, that worked for me on my 17" PowerBook. > >(Disclaimer: Before anyone flames me, NO it's not my main browser. I have to >use it for printing FedEx shipping labels, as other browsers seem to print >the bar codes too small to be scanned by the drivers' hand-held scanners.) From bob.virzi at verizon.com Wed Nov 1 11:15:44 2006 From: bob.virzi at verizon.com (Robert A. Virzi) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:17:07 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <3584B897-B3CC-4599-9A89-43984BF77762@mac.com> References: <3584B897-B3CC-4599-9A89-43984BF77762@mac.com> Message-ID: Too late for that. I do both nightly and weekly backups (well I did, before SuperDuper went south with 10.4.8). But I switched over to 10.4.8 way more than a week ago. The problems were subtle enough to not be apparent immediately, so now my back ups are all corrupted too. So the question still stands, is there a way to roll back one version of the OS? >Just do a restore of the drive from your last image made just before >you did the upgrade. You did do a backup image, right? > >On Nov 1, 2006, at 7:02 AM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > >>Okay, 10.4.8 pretty much s*cks. IE no longer runs, Spotlight >>privacy is flaky, and I am seeing crashes in Eudora and SuperDuper >>that I've never had before. SD tech support says this is a know >>apple-introduced bug causing their failures. >> >>So what's the process for backing out 10.4.8 to the earlier >>release? 10.4.7 was stable as can be for me. This is on a macbook >>pro if that matters. From XPressoBean at mac.com Wed Nov 1 12:21:04 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:21:16 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/1/06 1:10 PM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > You're absolutely right, it was the MSN page that caused IE > to crash. Isn't that crazy? I'm glad it worked for you! Now if we can solve your other problems in 10.4.8, you don't have to go through the pain of wiping your drive and reinstalling an earlier version... From vdub.grego at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 12:30:47 2006 From: vdub.grego at gmail.com (Matt Gregory) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:30:51 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91a704800611011230x6cfc36d5kf70d1f85da9b4350@mail.gmail.com> The SuperDuper! forum that discusses this problem mentions a workaround of reinstalling (using Archive-and-Install) from CD and then updating to 10.4.8by downloading a combo upgrade. I guess the same thing could be applied, only use a 10.4.7 combo upgrade (if it's available ... never used one myself). As far as actually rolling back the version in the "undo" sense, I'm not sure it's possible. matt. On 11/1/06, Linda wrote: > > On 11/1/06 1:10 PM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > > > You're absolutely right, it was the MSN page that caused IE > > to crash. > > Isn't that crazy? I'm glad it worked for you! Now if we can solve your > other > problems in 10.4.8, you don't have to go through the pain of wiping your > drive and reinstalling an earlier version... > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20061101/927ca6bc/attachment.html From meged at earthlink.net Wed Nov 1 12:39:40 2006 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:39:48 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/1/06 11:15 AM, Robert A. Virzi wrote: > So the question still stands, is there a way to roll back one version > of the OS? Archive and Install using your 10.4 DVD, then install the 10.4.7 Combo Update. From baltwo at san.rr.com Wed Nov 1 13:38:54 2006 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Wed Nov 1 13:40:14 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <20061101203954.7EC2E371412@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061101203954.7EC2E371412@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 11/01/06, "Matt Gregory" wrote: > > The SuperDuper! forum that discusses this problem mentions a workaround of > reinstalling (using Archive-and-Install) from CD and then updating to > 10.4.8by downloading a combo upgrade. I guess the same thing could be > applied, only use a 10.4.7 combo upgrade (if it's available ... never used one > myself). As far as actually rolling back the version in the "undo" sense, > I'm not sure it's possible. A clarification. Whenever you do an Archive & Install installation, the installer puts everything OS-specific into a Previous System folder, and installs whichever OS X version is listed on the CDs/DVD that you're using (e.g., 10.4.3). so, In that respect, it's an undo. Now, if you want to bring it up to a later version (say 10.4.7), use that COMBO version, which includes all OS and security updates issued up to that version. Another option is to maintain a bootable backup of the previous version for at least a month or so until all the little bugs sort themselves out. Prior to reintalling the backup, copy things that might have changed, such as the stuff associated with your browser, mail, financial databases, data, etc. and you should be good to go. From randy at macattorney.com Wed Nov 1 14:05:23 2006 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:08:16 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 Message-ID: <20061101220730.91CF3371EE1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Robert A. Virzi said: >So the question still stands, is there a way to roll back one version >of the OS? You can fall back to a previous version of OS X by simply doing an archive and install of the earlier version, assuming that you are falling back to an earlier version within the same major release. (e.g. you can fall back to OS X 10.4.1 from 10.4.8 by doing an archive and install from an OS X 10.4.1 installer.) However, to fall back to a previous major release, you will have to backup your drive, erase it, and reinstall the earlier major release of OS X, and then restore your data. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25404 Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From cornett at gol.com Wed Nov 1 14:35:50 2006 From: cornett at gol.com (Cornett) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:36:09 2006 Subject: [X4U] Re: Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <20061101165627.68A2436F1E2@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061101165627.68A2436F1E2@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <31687ee54cc016cdef9b74cd4ba74a71@gol.com> Bob, et All G'day!, and guess I'll have to chew... On Nov 02, 2006, at 01:56 AM, x4u-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:02:32 -0400 > From: "Robert A. Virzi" > Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 > To: x4u@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > > IE no longer runs Do forgive my curiosity butting in here, but... Why would anyone still be riding this ol' M$ lonngg deadhorse anyways?, there are lotz of free for download/install/use at will capable and Mac happy running browsers to pick and choose from at friendly places like: www.versiontracker.com and/or www.macupdate.com to please most any flavor of OSX and users without the need for using Classic either, or am I just missing some otherthang else altogether? Respectful of GURUs Bill Cornett 'blinded by rainbows'-the Stones / From XPressoBean at mac.com Wed Nov 1 14:55:55 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Wed Nov 1 14:56:03 2006 Subject: [X4U] Re: Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <31687ee54cc016cdef9b74cd4ba74a71@gol.com> Message-ID: On 11/1/06 4:35 PM, Cornett wrote: > flavor of OSX and users without the need for using Classic either, The very last version of IE runs in OS X -- no need for Classic. It can be handy to have more than one browser in your arsenal -- I've never yet found a browser that works on 100% of Web pages 100% of the time. ;-) best, Linda From vdub.grego at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 15:10:59 2006 From: vdub.grego at gmail.com (Matt Gregory) Date: Wed Nov 1 15:11:08 2006 Subject: [X4U] Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: References: <20061101203954.7EC2E371412@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <91a704800611011510j7a0f8f2ak71ece326f6e817ef@mail.gmail.com> What I meant when I said "undo" was more "undo the very last thing I've done" which I think is probably what Robert was after. So yes, it certainly undoes, but there's a little redo before you're back to where you want :-) Doesn't sound like too tough of a job. I'm curious to see how this turns out. It's not happened to me YET, but posts like this interest me because when it does happen I'll have an idea of how to handle it. matt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20061101/867aaafd/attachment.html From muckerheide at comcast.net Wed Nov 1 15:46:50 2006 From: muckerheide at comcast.net (Muckerheide) Date: Wed Nov 1 15:47:00 2006 Subject: [X4U] Entourage stuck in re-building In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are the attachments stored in the database? (vX or v2004?) Can v2004 open a vX database? How about after it is ?done for? in vX? Thanks, Jim ========== on 11/1/06 1:25 AM, Linda at XPressoBean@mac.com wrote: > On 10/31/06 11:16 PM, Bob Aldridge wrote: > >> > Version X. Not 2004. > > In v2004, there are three choices when you hold down the option key -- > compact database, typical rebuild, and a more extensive rebuild. I don't > remember whether vX had those choices -- if it did, you might try one of the > other choices and see if you can get through it. > > How big is the database? vX had a limitation of 2GB; if you hit that > number, your database was done for, literally. (v2004 removed that > limitation, for future reference -- not that it helps you right now.) > > ~Linda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20061101/cd74fda0/attachment.html From aldridgebob63 at comcast.net Wed Nov 1 18:22:46 2006 From: aldridgebob63 at comcast.net (Bob Aldridge) Date: Wed Nov 1 18:30:16 2006 Subject: [X4U] Entourage stuck in re-building In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I ended up letting it run all night and that fixed the problem. I did not know about the limitation though, so thanks for that info! --Bob On 10/31/06 11:25 PM, "Linda" wrote: > On 10/31/06 11:16 PM, Bob Aldridge wrote: > >> Version X. Not 2004. > > In v2004, there are three choices when you hold down the option key -- > compact database, typical rebuild, and a more extensive rebuild. I don't > remember whether vX had those choices -- if it did, you might try one of the > other choices and see if you can get through it. > > How big is the database? vX had a limitation of 2GB; if you hit that > number, your database was done for, literally. (v2004 removed that > limitation, for future reference -- not that it helps you right now.) > > ~Linda > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From aldridgebob63 at comcast.net Wed Nov 1 18:23:40 2006 From: aldridgebob63 at comcast.net (Bob Aldridge) Date: Wed Nov 1 18:30:20 2006 Subject: [X4U] Entourage stuck in re-building In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You were correct, just letting it run all night did in fact fix the problem. My heartfelt thanks! --Bob On 10/31/06 11:27 PM, "Linda" wrote: > One other question -- > > How sure are you that the rebuild "stops" at a certain point? It can take > hours to rebuild a large database. If you're doing other things with the > computer, accessing the disk and sucking up CPU, the rebuild can appear to > stall. It's been my experience that the rebuild ought to be the primary > thing the computer is doing -- if you can shut down Photoshop and email and > web browsers, does the database rebuild still "hang"? > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From intertext at nyc.rr.com Thu Nov 2 02:55:19 2006 From: intertext at nyc.rr.com (Daniel Carter) Date: Thu Nov 2 02:55:37 2006 Subject: [X4U] (no subject) Message-ID: test From ffarwell at cox.net Thu Nov 2 05:57:55 2006 From: ffarwell at cox.net (FC Farwell) Date: Thu Nov 2 05:58:04 2006 Subject: [X4U] G5 goes back to sleep when it shouldnt In-Reply-To: <20061101203954.3F007371411@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061101203954.3F007371411@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: My G5 DP when i wake it up will go back to sleep (right away) 4-5 times before can keep it awake, i reawaken it each time using the keyboard. anybody seen this and resolved it? F.C. Farwell From healyzh at aracnet.com Thu Nov 2 08:09:38 2006 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Thu Nov 2 08:09:53 2006 Subject: [X4U] G5 goes back to sleep when it shouldnt In-Reply-To: References: <20061101203954.3F007371411@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: At 7:57 AM -0600 11/2/06, FC Farwell wrote: >My G5 DP when i wake it up will go back to sleep (right away) 4-5 >times before can keep it awake, i reawaken it each time using the >keyboard. >anybody seen this and resolved it? I've seen it to a lesser extent. What OS are you running? When 10.4 came out I temporarily upgraded to it, and enabled the password locking for when the screensaver comes on, or the system wakes up. Then when we went back to 10.3.9 I enabled it as well. Worked fine under 10.3.9 if I was the only user, but if my wife was also logged in and tried to wake up the system and go to her side it would go back to sleep. My current problem is that I can put my G5 2x2 to sleep, but it won't do it on its own (I'm still running 10.3.9). Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From bob.virzi at verizon.com Thu Nov 2 08:35:38 2006 From: bob.virzi at verizon.com (Robert A. Virzi) Date: Thu Nov 2 09:44:09 2006 Subject: [X4U] Re: Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <31687ee54cc016cdef9b74cd4ba74a71@gol.com> References: <20061101165627.68A2436F1E2@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <31687ee54cc016cdef9b74cd4ba74a71@gol.com> Message-ID: >>IE no longer runs >Do forgive my curiosity butting in here, but... >Why would anyone still be riding this ol' M$ lonngg deadhorse anyways?, There are some cases where IE is required to get full access to a site. Now normally what I do is use windows IE in Parallels, but I still find it more convenient to have a working Mac version of IE around from time to time. BTW - Does anyone else find it hilarious that it is not IE that gets broken by 10.4.8, but visiting the MSN site in IE that is broken? Thanks to all for the explanations of how to roll back. -Bob From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Thu Nov 2 14:07:19 2006 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Thu Nov 2 14:07:52 2006 Subject: [X4U] Did you know Message-ID: That when selecting the Podcast in iTunes one can do a search for 'Photoshop Killer Tips' and 'Photoshop TV' and 'The Russell Brown Show' to get QT lessons for PS? Ripplecast is for FCP. Paul Moortgat From ffarwell at cox.net Thu Nov 2 21:54:22 2006 From: ffarwell at cox.net (FC Farwell) Date: Thu Nov 2 21:54:32 2006 Subject: [X4U] Re: G5 goes back to sleep when it shouldn't In-Reply-To: <20061102160954.4006F3798F8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061102160954.4006F3798F8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:09 AM, x4u- request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > Zane H. Healy" > Subject: Re: [X4U] G5 goes back to sleep when it shouldnt > > > At 7:57 AM -0600 11/2/06, FC Farwell wrote: >> My G5 DP when i wake it up will go back to sleep (right away) 4-5 >> times before can keep it awake, i reawaken it each time using the >> keyboard. >> anybody seen this and resolved it? > > I've seen it to a lesser extent. What OS are you running? When 10.4 > came out I temporarily upgraded to it, and enabled the password > locking for when the screensaver comes on, or the system wakes up. > Then when we went back to 10.3.9 I enabled it as well. Worked fine > under 10.3.9 if I was the only user, but if my wife was also logged > in and tried to wake up the system and go to her side it would go > back to sleep. > > My current problem is that I can put my G5 2x2 to sleep, but it won't > do it on its own (I'm still running 10.3.9). > > Zane I have 10.4.8 on it after a restart its fine and of course i ran disk warrior which made no difference - i used migraton assistant to set up this mac and im wondering if something came over from 10.3.9 on the other mac that is causing this. FC From robert at ameeti.net Thu Nov 2 22:19:38 2006 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Thu Nov 2 22:19:47 2006 Subject: [X4U] Re: Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <31687ee54cc016cdef9b74cd4ba74a71@gol.com> References: <20061101165627.68A2436F1E2@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <31687ee54cc016cdef9b74cd4ba74a71@gol.com> Message-ID: >>IE no longer runs >Do forgive my curiosity butting in here, but... >Why would anyone still be riding this ol' M$ lonngg deadhorse anyways? For the same reason that he might have MSN.com as his home page. Cuz he is a Microsoft fan. Microsoft has altered their web site and everyone that has MSN.com as their home page now believes that the Mac is lousy cuz their out of date Internet Explorer hangs on boot. Go figure. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti Not tonight honey. I have a modem. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From cornett at gol.com Fri Nov 3 00:06:42 2006 From: cornett at gol.com (Cornett) Date: Fri Nov 3 00:06:58 2006 Subject: [X4U] Re: Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <20061102160954.B03123798FA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061102160954.B03123798FA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <5e5301d8db6c84ffc76dd12b048be6eb@gol.com> Linda, et All G'day! to All...and hope you're not freezin'... On Nov 03, 2006, at 01:09 AM, x4u-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:55:55 -0600 > From: Linda > Subject: Re: [X4U] Re: Rolling back to 10.4.7 > To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." > > > On 11/1/06 4:35 PM, Cornett wrote: >> flavor of OSX and users without the need for using Classic either, > > The very last version of IE runs in OS X -- no need for Classic. Many Thanx for your kind correction, it's just that since about OS9 I've always tossed IE in the Trash following any nuke & pave install, and've continued that custom thru OSX.2 - OSX.3.9 and next week will be venturing into my first install/use of OSX.4 and'll undoubtedly be repeating same if'n it's included in the DVD installer before I subsequently update to X.4.7. All of my trusty Macs for 10yrs+ have always run very well as M$/Gates Free zones. ;-) > It can be handy to have more than one browser in your arsenal -- I've > never > yet found a browser that works on 100% of Web pages 100% of the time. > ;-) Understandably quite true, and in OS9.x/Classic the likes of; Netscape, iCab, Opera and WamCom work, while in OSX.2 and beyond; Safari, FireFox, Camino, iCab and Opera (and if one so chooses Netscape and Mozilla too), are pretty much all the browsing power one should ever need. I've each of the newest versions installed, yet've given up on Netscape & Mozilla in OSX other than as bookmark moving tools. Are there any others that I've missed and need to install and tryout? Respectful of GURUs Bill Cornett / From jessup at san.rr.com Fri Nov 3 04:56:00 2006 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Fri Nov 3 05:30:35 2006 Subject: [X4U] Re: Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <5e5301d8db6c84ffc76dd12b048be6eb@gol.com> References: <20061102160954.B03123798FA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > <5e5301d8db6c84ffc76dd12b048be6eb@gol.com> Message-ID: At 5:06 PM +0900 3/11/06, Cornett wrote: >Understandably quite true, and in OS9.x/Classic the likes of; Netscape, >iCab, Opera and WamCom work, while in OSX.2 and beyond; Safari, FireFox, >Camino, iCab and Opera (and if one so chooses Netscape and Mozilla too), >are pretty much all the browsing power one should ever need. I've each >of the newest versions installed, yet've given up on Netscape & Mozilla >in OSX other than as bookmark moving tools. Are there any others that >I've missed and need to install and tryout? If you're really collecting browsers, I know a couple of others. One is SeaMonkey (which I think is the latest branch of Mozilla development). I like SeaMonkey because it contains a simple html editor as one of its components. Some people also like Sunrise Browser and OmniWeb. Daly ---------------------- From sw at carolina.rr.com Fri Nov 3 07:24:47 2006 From: sw at carolina.rr.com (sw) Date: Fri Nov 3 07:24:58 2006 Subject: [X4U] Did you know In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > That when selecting the Podcast in iTunes one can do a search for > 'Photoshop Killer Tips' and 'Photoshop TV' and 'The Russell Brown > Show' to get QT lessons for PS? These are 3 of my favorites.... Also look for PixelPerfect with Bert Monroy Steve From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Fri Nov 3 08:03:20 2006 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Fri Nov 3 08:03:58 2006 Subject: [X4U] Did you know In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61F776C1-E39F-4BF5-9928-413493F41D06@pandora.be> Is this also a podcast? I can't find it. Paul Moortgat On 03 Nov 2006, at 16:24, sw wrote: > > On Nov 2, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > >> That when selecting the Podcast in iTunes one can do a search for >> 'Photoshop Killer Tips' and 'Photoshop TV' and 'The Russell Brown >> Show' to get QT lessons for PS? > > These are 3 of my favorites.... > > Also look for PixelPerfect with Bert Monroy > > > > Steve From sw at carolina.rr.com Fri Nov 3 08:26:44 2006 From: sw at carolina.rr.com (sw) Date: Fri Nov 3 08:26:55 2006 Subject: [X4U] Did you know In-Reply-To: <61F776C1-E39F-4BF5-9928-413493F41D06@pandora.be> References: <61F776C1-E39F-4BF5-9928-413493F41D06@pandora.be> Message-ID: <874DEC11-54C5-485B-88BA-62C89DF14EB4@carolina.rr.com> http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=196505519 On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > Is this also a podcast? I can't find it. > > Paul Moortgat > > On 03 Nov 2006, at 16:24, sw wrote: > >> >> On Nov 2, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Paul Moortgat wrote: >> >>> That when selecting the Podcast in iTunes one can do a search for >>> 'Photoshop Killer Tips' and 'Photoshop TV' and 'The Russell Brown >>> Show' to get QT lessons for PS? >> >> These are 3 of my favorites.... >> >> Also look for PixelPerfect with Bert Monroy >> >> >> >> Steve > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Fri Nov 3 08:50:07 2006 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Fri Nov 3 08:51:09 2006 Subject: [X4U] Did you know In-Reply-To: <874DEC11-54C5-485B-88BA-62C89DF14EB4@carolina.rr.com> References: <61F776C1-E39F-4BF5-9928-413493F41D06@pandora.be> <874DEC11-54C5-485B-88BA-62C89DF14EB4@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Paul Moortgat On 03 Nov 2006, at 17:26, sw wrote: > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=196505519 > > On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > >> Is this also a podcast? I can't find it. >> >> Paul Moortgat >> >> On 03 Nov 2006, at 16:24, sw wrote: >> >>> >>> On Nov 2, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Paul Moortgat wrote: >>> >>>> That when selecting the Podcast in iTunes one can do a search >>>> for 'Photoshop Killer Tips' and 'Photoshop TV' and 'The Russell >>>> Brown Show' to get QT lessons for PS? >>> >>> These are 3 of my favorites.... >>> >>> Also look for PixelPerfect with Bert Monroy >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve From XPressoBean at mac.com Fri Nov 3 09:35:16 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Fri Nov 3 09:35:27 2006 Subject: [X4U] Re: Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/3/06 6:56 AM, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 5:06 PM +0900 3/11/06, Cornett wrote: >> Understandably quite true, and in OS9.x/Classic the likes of; Netscape, >> iCab, Opera and WamCom work, while in OSX.2 and beyond; Safari, FireFox, >> Camino, iCab and Opera (and if one so chooses Netscape and Mozilla too), >> are pretty much all the browsing power one should ever need. I've each >> of the newest versions installed, yet've given up on Netscape & Mozilla >> in OSX other than as bookmark moving tools. Are there any others that >> I've missed and need to install and tryout? > > If you're really collecting browsers, I know a couple of others. One > is SeaMonkey (which I think is the latest branch of Mozilla > development). I like SeaMonkey because it contains a simple html > editor as one of its components. Some people also like Sunrise > Browser and OmniWeb. Don't forget OmniWeb (as Daly just mentioned) and iSurf/Shiira. From oldmacman at comcast.net Fri Nov 3 10:58:30 2006 From: oldmacman at comcast.net (Don Grant) Date: Fri Nov 3 10:58:38 2006 Subject: [X4U] Apple Mail problem Message-ID: <83080836-3CA8-4E73-9EE3-1D6E4A4B02A8@comcast.net> Have a G4 running OS 10.4.8. , Mail 2.4. Often when I attempt to download my incoming mail from the server, it will hang (pinwheel of death) and the only way to clear it is to do a forced restart. This is an intermittent problem. Don From mark at astroprinting.com Fri Nov 3 11:55:13 2006 From: mark at astroprinting.com (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Fri Nov 3 12:00:20 2006 Subject: [X4U] Kernel Panics - how often is too often? Message-ID: <07D9913A-C1BE-4373-90EB-B4C5A59DCB59@astroprinting.com> I've personally had only two Kernel Panics since upgrading to OSX several years ago (started at 10.1 and am now at 10.4.8). A co-worker of mine however gets one every three to four months. She has the identical system to me, Dual 1 Ghz G4 Quciksilver. Whenever they happen I usually just shrug it off, reboot and continue. At what point should we be concerned? Is one ever three to four months too often? Mark Des Cotes Systems Manager/Graphic Designer Astro Printing Service (Cornwall) Ltd. 3308 Second Street East Cornwall Ontario Canada K6H 6J8 T (613) 932-9281 Ext 106, F (613) 932-1052 www.astroprinting.com From netkat at comcast.net Fri Nov 3 12:08:20 2006 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Fri Nov 3 12:08:25 2006 Subject: [X4U] Kernel Panics - how often is too often? In-Reply-To: <07D9913A-C1BE-4373-90EB-B4C5A59DCB59@astroprinting.com> References: <07D9913A-C1BE-4373-90EB-B4C5A59DCB59@astroprinting.com> Message-ID: Honestly, I don't believe I've had a kernel panic since Panther, and only 1 at that. While I can't recall the exact circumstances that produced it, as I recall, I was doing something or some set of things that I shouldn't have been. the work I do gives my computers a VERY good workout, too. I'll go out on a limb that KPs should be extremely rare, esp. in Tiger, and should be viewed as a symptom of an underlying problem, rather than an OS failing. just my opinion.. nk On Nov 3, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > I've personally had only two Kernel Panics since upgrading to OSX > several years ago (started at 10.1 and am now at 10.4.8). A co-worker > of mine however gets one every three to four months. She has the > identical system to me, Dual 1 Ghz G4 Quciksilver. Whenever they > happen I usually just shrug it off, reboot and continue. At what point > should we be concerned? Is one ever three to four months too often? > > Mark Des Cotes > Systems Manager/Graphic Designer From colin at eleventhvolume.com Fri Nov 3 12:24:40 2006 From: colin at eleventhvolume.com (eleventhvolume) Date: Fri Nov 3 12:25:39 2006 Subject: [X4U] Kernel Panics - how often is too often? In-Reply-To: <07D9913A-C1BE-4373-90EB-B4C5A59DCB59@astroprinting.com> Message-ID: > I've personally had only two Kernel Panics since upgrading to OSX > several years ago (started at 10.1 and am now at 10.4.8). A co-worker > of mine however gets one every three to four months. She has the > identical system to me, Dual 1 Ghz G4 Quciksilver. Whenever they > happen I usually just shrug it off, reboot and continue. At what > point should we be concerned? Is one ever three to four months too > often? I think the Quicksilver is the mirror door G4? If so, we have one of these as an asset management/music playing machine at work. Despite buying new reliable RAM and doing a clean system install w/ latest updates, etc + checking connections, and so on, we continue to suffer kernel panics. A (Mac specialist) service engineer told us this week that quite a few mirror door Macs are susceptible to this sort of problem - he mentioned something about bus speed and data throughput, but unfortunately my mind clouded over at that point. HTH. Cheers, Colin. [http://www.eleventhvolume.com] From macsys at mac.com Fri Nov 3 13:05:22 2006 From: macsys at mac.com (Wayne Wilkin) Date: Fri Nov 3 13:05:29 2006 Subject: [X4U] Apple Mail problem In-Reply-To: <83080836-3CA8-4E73-9EE3-1D6E4A4B02A8@comcast.net> References: <83080836-3CA8-4E73-9EE3-1D6E4A4B02A8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0DF9D4BC-D286-4CDD-95FF-463F4D6A5B2F@mac.com> Have you tried to clean out the Mail Cache folder, this usually works for me. On Nov 3, 2006, at 1:58 PM, Don Grant wrote: > Have a G4 running OS 10.4.8. , Mail 2.4. Often when I attempt to > download my incoming mail from the server, it will hang (pinwheel > of death) and the only way to clear it is to do a forced restart. > This is an intermittent problem. > > Don > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jelmore at elmoredesign.com Fri Nov 3 13:12:06 2006 From: jelmore at elmoredesign.com (Jim Elmore) Date: Fri Nov 3 13:12:18 2006 Subject: [X4U] Kernel Panics - how often is too often? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I caught one of the processors "crashing". It would hang up at 100% use. Sometimes I'd get a kernel panic, other times not. Fortunately, the computer was under an extended warranty and Apple replaced the processor. That fixed things. A kernel panic is very rare now -- once in over a year. Jim Elmore (918) 688-6417 On Nov 3, 2006, at 2:24 PM, eleventhvolume wrote: >> I've personally had only two Kernel Panics since upgrading to OSX >> several years ago (started at 10.1 and am now at 10.4.8). A co-worker >> of mine however gets one every three to four months. She has the >> identical system to me, Dual 1 Ghz G4 Quciksilver. Whenever they >> happen I usually just shrug it off, reboot and continue. At what >> point should we be concerned? Is one ever three to four months too >> often? > > I think the Quicksilver is the mirror door G4? If so, we have one > of these > as an asset management/music playing machine at work. Despite > buying new > reliable RAM and doing a clean system install w/ latest updates, etc + > checking connections, and so on, we continue to suffer kernel > panics. A (Mac > specialist) service engineer told us this week that quite a few > mirror door > Macs are susceptible to this sort of problem - he mentioned > something about > bus speed and data throughput, but unfortunately my mind clouded > over at > that point. HTH. > > Cheers, Colin. > > [http://www.eleventhvolume.com] > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From XPressoBean at mac.com Fri Nov 3 14:48:33 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Fri Nov 3 14:48:48 2006 Subject: [X4U] Kernel Panics - how often is too often? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/3/06 2:24 PM, eleventhvolume wrote: > I think the Quicksilver is the mirror door G4? The Quicksilver G4 had a matte silver plastic front with shiny plastic oval bezels, and a single speaker hole. The Mirror Drive Door G4s had bright chrome-looking large door panels on the front, and four holes for air or speakers (not sure which, I didn't own one of these). Quicksilver: Mirror Drive Doors: peace, Linda (who has a Quicksilver G4 Dual 800 for sale -- 1,128 MB RAM, GeForce TwinView video, ATi video, Superdrive, internal Iomega Zip 100, 80GB disk, 160 GB disk...) From cornett at gol.com Fri Nov 3 15:39:21 2006 From: cornett at gol.com (Cornett) Date: Fri Nov 3 15:39:30 2006 Subject: [X4U] Re: Rolling back to 10.4.7 In-Reply-To: <20061103173531.C87F5383158@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061103173531.C87F5383158@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <6b0ac2903ed71a6168c3bf2aa80363f1@gol.com> Daly Guru, Bob, Linda, et All G'day!... On Nov 04, 2006, at 02:35 AM, x4u-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: > From: Daly Jessup > Subject: [X4U] Re: Rolling back to 10.4.7 > To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." > > Message-ID: > > If you're really collecting browsers, I know a couple of others. One > is SeaMonkey (which I think is the latest branch of Mozilla > development). I like SeaMonkey because it contains a simple html > editor as one of its components. Some people also like Sunrise > Browser and OmniWeb. Wouldn't classify it as collecting, more like for a time when my favorites FireFox or Safari might tend to choke(or perhaps toss a fit). I've grabbed SeaMonkey and the SunriseBrowser too to test, but've chosen to pass on Shiira and iSurf(nada on versiontracker) for their low ratings, and also on OmniWeb as it's a shareware. Many Thanx for your input suggestions/advice for additions to my browsing arsenal of tools. Also Bob, I don't cruise M$ a'tall, but that sounds 'bout par for the course 'cause they've chosen to dump the Mac platform in all respects 'cept for Word, and both; AbiWord and the Open Source OOo_2.0.4_MacOSXPPC are both freebies that seem to get WP jobs done quite neatly in OSX while keeping my optimum M$/ Gates Free zone. Respectful of GURUs Bill Cornett / From allan at nhbungalow.com Fri Nov 3 17:39:47 2006 From: allan at nhbungalow.com (Allan Rube=?ISO-8859-1?B?uSA=?=) Date: Fri Nov 3 17:41:22 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question Message-ID: My isp doesn't have the mozilla.firefox newsgroup so I thought I would ask here. My home page is at: http://www.nhbungalow.com/index.html In Safari, Netscape, and IE, the pager looks fine. In Firefox, I see the image on my screen and I have to scroll way to the right to see the text? I use Golive as my web building application and my homepage looks fine there. Any thoughts? O perhaps, if you have Firefox installed and look at my homepage does it look o.k. To you or as I describe it? Allan From ColgateList at cox.net Fri Nov 3 19:06:51 2006 From: ColgateList at cox.net (Jim Colgate) Date: Fri Nov 3 19:06:34 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't have any answers for you, but I did try it in Safari - Looked good I think, Firefox - Text was positioned far to the right, and Netscape - Text was also positioned far to the right. Even in Safari the text did not adjust to the window size, but maybe you did not insert that capability. I hope this little information is helpful, Jim > From: Allan Rube? > Reply-To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." > > Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:39:47 -0500 > To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." > > Subject: [X4U] Firefox question > > My isp doesn't have the mozilla.firefox newsgroup so I thought I would ask > here. > My home page is at: > > http://www.nhbungalow.com/index.html > > In Safari, Netscape, and IE, the pager looks fine. In Firefox, I see the > image on my screen and I have to scroll way to the right to see the text? > > I use Golive as my web building application and my homepage looks fine > there. > > Any thoughts? O perhaps, if you have Firefox installed and look at my > homepage does it look o.k. To you or as I describe it? > > > > > Allan > > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From mac.k at a2k.ch Sat Nov 4 04:29:46 2006 From: mac.k at a2k.ch (alexandre) Date: Sat Nov 4 04:30:07 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4 nov. 06, at 02:39, Allan Rube? wrote: > My isp doesn't have the mozilla.firefox newsgroup so I thought I > would ask > here. > My home page is at: > > http://www.nhbungalow.com/index.html > > In Safari, Netscape, and IE, the pager looks fine. In Firefox, I > see the > image on my screen and I have to scroll way to the right to see the > text? > > I use Golive as my web building application and my homepage looks fine > there. > > Any thoughts? O perhaps, if you have Firefox installed and look at my > homepage does it look o.k. To you or as I describe it? > allan, not really an answer to your question, but you do some GREAT photos on your site! alexandre :: 17" 1.5ghz powerbook / 1.5gb / 100gb@7200 / X.4.8 :: From cornett at gol.com Sat Nov 4 06:30:29 2006 From: cornett at gol.com (Cornett) Date: Sat Nov 4 06:30:46 2006 Subject: [X4U] Re: Firefox question In-Reply-To: <20061104123014.AA15838A5D8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061104123014.AA15838A5D8@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <3921ff05af6523721f02cf9111be8576@gol.com> Allen G'day'... On Nov 04, 2006, at 09:30 PM, x4u-request@listserver.themacintoshguy.com wrote: >> From: Allan Rube? >> Reply-To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." >> >> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:39:47 -0500 >> To: "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." >> >> Subject: [X4U] Firefox question snip >> Any thoughts? O perhaps, if you have Firefox installed and look at my >> homepage does it look o.k. To you or as I describe it? In FireFox, Opera and Camino it is as described, in Safari v2 it looks just Great on my Pismo! HTHs (SeaMonkey and Sunrise haven't been installed yet, and Netscape and Mozilla were trashed this AM, so I can't say with these.) Respectful of GURUs Bill Cornett / From darwin at ljsworld.com Sat Nov 4 06:51:44 2006 From: darwin at ljsworld.com (..lj) Date: Sat Nov 4 06:51:55 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 3, 2006, at 17:39, Allan Rube? wrote: > My isp doesn't have the mozilla.firefox newsgroup so I thought I > would ask > here. > My home page is at: > > http://www.nhbungalow.com/index.html > > In Safari, Netscape, and IE, the pager looks fine. In Firefox, I > see the > image on my screen and I have to scroll way to the right to see the > text? > > I use Golive as my web building application and my homepage looks fine > there. > > Any thoughts? O perhaps, if you have Firefox installed and look at my > homepage does it look o.k. To you or as I describe it? > > Allan Have the same issue with Firefox, Camino and Flock. They are all built on the Mozilla code base. Safari and Opera appear to work. Check: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhbungalow.com% 2Findex.html ..lj From allan at nhbungalow.com Sat Nov 4 07:26:06 2006 From: allan at nhbungalow.com (Allan Rube=?ISO-8859-1?B?uSA=?=) Date: Sat Nov 4 07:27:39 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Last night I wrote: My home page is at: http://www.nhbungalow.com/index.html In Safari, Netscape, and IE, the pager looks fine. In Firefox, I see the image on my screen and I have to scroll way to the right to see the text? I use Golive as my web building application and my homepage looks fine there. Many said they had the same problem. Here is an example. ..lj wrote: > Have the same issue with Firefox, Camino and Flock. They are all > built on the Mozilla code base. > > Safari and Opera appear to work. > > Check: > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhbungalow.com% > 2Findex.html Shera Pujals found the solution. He said the browsers above are very unforgiving of code mistakes. He made changes to my page which I installed - all is o.k. now. Thanks. Allan From jessup at san.rr.com Sat Nov 4 07:32:07 2006 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sat Nov 4 07:32:35 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Allan Rube' wrote: >>My isp doesn't have the mozilla.firefox newsgroup so I thought I would ask >>here. >>My home page is at: >> >>http://www.nhbungalow.com/index.html >> >>In Safari, Netscape, and IE, the pager looks fine. In Firefox, I see the >>image on my screen and I have to scroll way to the right to see the text? >> >>I use Golive as my web building application and my homepage looks fine >>there. Those are lovely photos. I see the problem you are having. It definitely does that in Safari or other browsers. I don't know why. But I did discover that under the View menu in Firefox, choosing "Page Style" gives the option of "No style" or "Basic Page Style" and if you choose No Style the page becomes a normal width. Unfortunately, it also removes all your lovely formatting. Maybe that's a hint. Firefox appears to be applying some kind of style, I guess. Or maybe there's some trick in GoLive's CSS that Firefox doesn't know how to interpret? Actually, I just discovered that SeaMonkey behaves the same as Firefox with that page. If you made the same page in another html editor, I wonder if you would get the same result? It appears that the problem is only with the first page. The others display fine in Firefox for me. I don't know enough html to see where the problem might lie, but maybe (??) it's trying to use all available screen space? If I stretch your home page as far as my 23" Cinema display (wide screen) will let it, all the information from the home page is visible at one time. Can you preset the total page dimensions anywhere in GoLive? Daly ---------------------- From jessup at san.rr.com Sat Nov 4 07:33:55 2006 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sat Nov 4 07:38:02 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:26 AM -0500 11/4/06, Allan Rube' wrote: >Shera Pujals found the solution. He said the browsers above are very >unforgiving of code mistakes. He made changes to my page which I installed - >all is o.k. now. That's great! What were the changes? Daly ---------------------- From shera at techunlimited.net Sat Nov 4 08:01:10 2006 From: shera at techunlimited.net (Shera) Date: Sat Nov 4 08:05:37 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95C4C28C-4E01-4D5A-8E51-E5141DA6EB8B@techunlimited.net> I rewrote the code using html standards. I do not use any web page editor, these editors although easy to use, they usually dont follow the rules 100%. So if you know html code it's easy to make web sites that can be seen in every browser without any problem -sHERA (she not he) On Sat:11 /4, at 10:33 AM, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 10:26 AM -0500 11/4/06, Allan Rube' wrote: >> Shera Pujals found the solution. He said the browsers above are very >> unforgiving of code mistakes. He made changes to my page which I >> installed - >> all is o.k. now. > > That's great! What were the changes? > > Daly > ---------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From earle.jones at comcast.net Sat Nov 4 09:58:21 2006 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Sat Nov 4 09:58:30 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 4, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Allan Rube? wrote: > Last night I wrote: > My home page is at: > > http://www.nhbungalow.com/index.html > > In Safari, Netscape, and IE, the pager looks fine. In Firefox, I > see the > image on my screen and I have to scroll way to the right to see the > text? * This page renders perfectly on Safari 2.0.4, Firefox 2.0, and IE 5.2.3. When I adjust the window width, the text follows the adjustment. The text does not 'wrap around' the picture. earle * Intel iMac 17", System X 10.4.8 -- 1 GB RAM, 250GB internal, 150Gb and 320Gb external. From MacTechLists at cox.net Sat Nov 4 10:49:27 2006 From: MacTechLists at cox.net (SE) Date: Sat Nov 4 10:49:35 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454CE0B7.7010809@cox.net> I tried Netscape 7.02, FireFox 1.5.0.7, Safari, Camio, Opera and the page looks the same in all of those. SE Allan Rube? wrote: >My isp doesn't have the mozilla.firefox newsgroup so I thought I would ask >here. >My home page is at: > >http://www.nhbungalow.com/index.html > >In Safari, Netscape, and IE, the pager looks fine. In Firefox, I see the >image on my screen and I have to scroll way to the right to see the text? > >I use Golive as my web building application and my homepage looks fine >there. > >Any thoughts? O perhaps, if you have Firefox installed and look at my >homepage does it look o.k. To you or as I describe it? > > > > >Allan > > > >_______________________________________________ >X4U mailing list >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > > From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sat Nov 4 10:58:12 2006 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sat Nov 4 10:58:20 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <454CE2C4.4090407@dslextreme.com> Earle Jones wrote: > > On Nov 4, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Allan Rube? wrote: > >> Last night I wrote: >> My home page is at: >> >> http://www.nhbungalow.com/index.html >> >> In Safari, Netscape, and IE, the pager looks fine. In Firefox, I see the >> image on my screen and I have to scroll way to the right to see the text? > This page renders perfectly on Safari 2.0.4, Firefox 2.0, and IE 5.2.3. Also on SeaMonkey 1.0.5. > When I adjust the window width, the text follows the adjustment. > > The text does not 'wrap around' the picture. > > earle Same with SeaMonkey 1.0.5. keith whaley From allan at nhbungalow.com Sat Nov 4 11:06:39 2006 From: allan at nhbungalow.com (Allan Rube=?ISO-8859-1?B?uSA=?=) Date: Sat Nov 4 11:08:55 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <454CE2C4.4090407@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: The problem with delays in posting. I foxed the problem, or rather Shera fixed it for me. It now looks correct on all browsers. Allan keith_w wrote: > Earle Jones wrote: >> >> On Nov 4, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Allan Rube? wrote: >> >>> Last night I wrote: >>> My home page is at: >>> >>> http://www.nhbungalow.com/index.html >>> >>> In Safari, Netscape, and IE, the pager looks fine. In Firefox, I see the >>> image on my screen and I have to scroll way to the right to see the text? > > >> This page renders perfectly on Safari 2.0.4, Firefox 2.0, and IE 5.2.3. > > Also on SeaMonkey 1.0.5. > >> When I adjust the window width, the text follows the adjustment. >> >> The text does not 'wrap around' the picture. >> >> earle > > Same with SeaMonkey 1.0.5. > > keith whaley > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > Allan Nashua, New Hampshire www.nebirds.com From peterstj at earthlink.net Sat Nov 4 11:40:52 2006 From: peterstj at earthlink.net (Peter Saint James) Date: Sat Nov 4 11:41:16 2006 Subject: [X4U] Getting windows to open properly Message-ID: <11F73DCA-5EFA-43BC-B992-5907F2310F81@earthlink.net> A piece of Mac behavior irritates me. It would seem that it should be possible to change it using Terminal or something. When I open a document in an application like Preview or Text Edit, the window usually opens part way down the screen and away from the left edge. This is especially true if it is the second or third item to open in that application. I then have to move the window up to the top against the menu bar and left to the edge of the screen and then stretch it larger to fit the screen. Obviously somewhere in the operating system something dictates where and how a window opens. How can I change this to make the window always open snug to the menu bar, at the left of the screen, and full sized? TIA. Peter From poolmouse_nyc at mac.com Sat Nov 4 11:51:52 2006 From: poolmouse_nyc at mac.com (poolmouse_nyc) Date: Sat Nov 4 11:52:04 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <20061104194121.F00BB38D564@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061104194121.F00BB38D564@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <454CEF58.10505@mac.com> Shera wrote: > I rewrote the code using html standards. I do not use any web page > editor, these editors although easy to use, they usually dont follow > the rules 100%. ...which is why most of us use bbedit on mac. ;) don -- poolmouse poolmouse_nyc@mac.com ---------------------------------------------- "life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving" -albert einstein From XPressoBean at mac.com Sat Nov 4 11:53:53 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sat Nov 4 11:53:59 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <454CEF58.10505@mac.com> Message-ID: On 11/4/06 1:51 PM, poolmouse_nyc wrote: > ...which is why most of us use bbedit on mac. "Most of us"? You might be surprised what people are using. :-) From alec at mckenzie.me.uk Sat Nov 4 14:07:28 2006 From: alec at mckenzie.me.uk (Alec McKenzie) Date: Sat Nov 4 14:08:07 2006 Subject: [X4U] Getting windows to open properly In-Reply-To: <11F73DCA-5EFA-43BC-B992-5907F2310F81@earthlink.net> References: <11F73DCA-5EFA-43BC-B992-5907F2310F81@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 15:40 -0400 on 4/11/06, Peter Saint James wrote: > Obviously somewhere in the operating system something dictates where and how a window opens. How can I change this to make the window always open snug to the menu bar, at the left of the screen, and full sized? No, it is not dictated by the operating system. Each application has the freedom to do what it wishes in this respect. -- Alec McKenzie alec@mckenzie.me.uk From coolcat at hosting4days.com Sat Nov 4 14:30:12 2006 From: coolcat at hosting4days.com (revDAVE) Date: Sat Nov 4 14:30:27 2006 Subject: [X4U] Monitor Resolution Question Message-ID: I found 2 different LCD monitors on-line - a 20 in. and also a 22 in. They both said that their standard resolution was 1680x1050 Question: I'm confused - how could they both be the same resolution but also have a 2 in. difference in their size? Shouldn't the 22 in. have more wide pixels than the 20 in.? -- Thanks - RevDave CoolCat@hosting4days.com [db-lists] From XPressoBean at mac.com Sat Nov 4 14:41:54 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sat Nov 4 14:42:05 2006 Subject: [X4U] Monitor Resolution Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/4/06 4:30 PM, revDAVE wrote: > Question: I'm confused - how could they both be the same resolution but also > have a 2 in. difference in their size? Shouldn't the 22 in. have more wide > pixels than the 20 in.? Not necessarily. On an LCD monitor, pixels can be different sizes. My first LCD monitor was a Viewsonic 15", 1024x768 pixels. Now you can find that resolution on 12" monitors -- same NUMBER of pixels, but everything will look smaller on the 12" -- but will be the same size *relative to* the rest of the screen. From philip.robar at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 15:34:12 2006 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Sat Nov 4 15:34:27 2006 Subject: [X4U] Getting windows to open properly In-Reply-To: References: <11F73DCA-5EFA-43BC-B992-5907F2310F81@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8597AE87-1951-4477-871B-0030CB988005@gmail.com> On Nov 4, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Alec McKenzie wrote: > At 15:40 -0400 on 4/11/06, Peter Saint James wrote: > >> Obviously somewhere in the operating system something dictates >> where and how a window opens. How can I change this to make the >> window always open snug to the menu bar, at the left of the screen, >> and full sized? > > No, it is not dictated by the operating system. Each application has > the freedom to do what it wishes in this respect. I'm not a Coca programmer, but unless a program explicitly places and sizes its windows some part of the Window/Graphics System on all the OSs I've ever used do indeed open windows according to a plan. Whether or not OS X allows for any user control of this I don't know. I did a quick Google search and didn't find anything that would be helpful to you. There are several utilities that make various internal, hidden settings of OS X visible to users. Take a look at Deeper, Mac Pilot, Pref Setter, Tiger Cache Cleaner, Tiger Tamer, and Xupport. http://www.macupdate.com would be a good place to look for information and users ratings of each. I asked a friend to ask one of the Finder engineers about this. I'll let you know if I get a useful answer. Phil From michaelelliott at mac.com Sat Nov 4 15:41:38 2006 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Sat Nov 4 15:41:49 2006 Subject: [X4U] Monitor Resolution Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AD429AB-AE37-46E0-BBFA-56BE889B9D31@mac.com> Think of it like this, Dave: Say you have an old 1.2 megapixel camera image that you decide to have printed. You can print it at 3x5 inches in size and it MAY look OK. But, if you then print it at a poster-size 20x30 inches format, it will look horribly blocky. The number of pixels is the same, thus the information in the picture, but the SIZE of the image will be very different. Michael On Nov 4, 2006, at 4:30 PM, revDAVE wrote: > I found 2 different LCD monitors on-line - a 20 in. and also a 22 in. > > They both said that their standard resolution was 1680x1050 > > Question: I'm confused - how could they both be the same resolution > but also > have a 2 in. difference in their size? Shouldn't the 22 in. have > more wide > pixels than the 20 in.? From jvollmer at visi.com Sat Nov 4 20:21:48 2006 From: jvollmer at visi.com (Jay C Vollmer) Date: Sat Nov 4 20:23:04 2006 Subject: [X4U] Printing to Linux box via CUPS Message-ID: <200611042221.48916.jvollmer@visi.com> Hello. I'm the happy owner of a new Mac Mini which is sitting next to a SuSE Linux system. Anyway, I'm trying to get the Mac Mini running OSX 10.4.8 to print to an Epson Stylus Color 850 on the SuSE 10.1 system via CUPS. When I add the IP printer in MacOSX, the printer is detected and shows up as idle - accepting jobs, but print jobs sent to that printer sit in the local queue and never get sent to the Linux box. The print queue tool in MacOSX tells me that the host the printer is on is busy, but that isn't true. I have no trouble printing to that printer via IPP protocol from a wireless laptop also running SuSE 10.1. I've checked to make sure that I do have cupsd running on the Macintosh and I've verified that it isn't a firewall issue. Can somebody please tell me what I'm doing wrong? aTdHvAaNnKcSe. -- JAY VOLLMER JVOLLMER@VISI.COM TEXT REFS DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD SELFTHINK VERGING CRIMETHINK - IGNORE FULLWISE From coolcat at hosting4days.com Sat Nov 4 20:40:38 2006 From: coolcat at hosting4days.com (revDAVE) Date: Sat Nov 4 20:40:55 2006 Subject: [X4U] Monitor Resolution Question In-Reply-To: <5AD429AB-AE37-46E0-BBFA-56BE889B9D31@mac.com> Message-ID: On 11/4/2006 3:41 PM, "Michael Elliott" wrote: > Think of it like this, Dave: > > Say you have an old 1.2 megapixel camera image that you decide to > have printed. You can print it at 3x5 inches in size and it MAY look > OK. But, if you then print it at a poster-size 20x30 inches format, > it will look horribly blocky. The number of pixels is the same, thus > the information in the picture, but the SIZE of the image will be > very different. > > Michael Thanks Michael - except I'll bet as far as monitors - the quality will remain high right? So the data will just look bigger on the 22 inch? -- Thanks - RevDave CoolCat@hosting4days.com [db-lists] From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sat Nov 4 21:05:51 2006 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sat Nov 4 21:06:00 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <95C4C28C-4E01-4D5A-8E51-E5141DA6EB8B@techunlimited.net> References: <95C4C28C-4E01-4D5A-8E51-E5141DA6EB8B@techunlimited.net> Message-ID: <11AAE7DC-E930-42F9-9C0F-B012DFCB01E6@myrealbox.com> On 4 Nov 2006, at 16:01, Shera wrote: > I rewrote the code using html standards.... Darn! The page will NEVER display properly in Internet Explorer now! ;P Stroller. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sat Nov 4 21:32:23 2006 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sat Nov 4 21:32:32 2006 Subject: [X4U] Printing to Linux box via CUPS In-Reply-To: <200611042221.48916.jvollmer@visi.com> References: <200611042221.48916.jvollmer@visi.com> Message-ID: On 5 Nov 2006, at 04:21, Jay C Vollmer wrote: > > I'm the happy owner of a new Mac Mini which is sitting next to a > SuSE Linux system. Anyway, I'm trying to get the Mac Mini running OSX > 10.4.8 to print to an Epson Stylus Color 850 on the SuSE 10.1 system > via CUPS. What does `lpstat -v` on each machine say? Can you `lpr -P printername somefile.txt` from each machine? Have you tried looking on the CUPS web-based administration page on each machine? I used CUPS for the first time a couple of weeks ago on Gentoo Linux - I was amazed how easy it was to set up, to the extent that I can offer you very few tips about troubleshooting. But I have to confess that I cheated when adding the printer to the Linux box and simply chose "Add printer" on the Linux box then copied & pasted from the Mac's CUPS page (mine is a printer with internal network card) - maybe you could do something similar? Here, CUPS on the Linux box automagically recognised the printers installed on my Mac (slightly annoyingly this includes the Adobe PDF printer, OS X's built-in fax printer & some kind of bluetooth printing facility). I tried printing in Linux to the Canon Pixma ip3000 installed on the Mac and it worked perfectly first time with no configuration. I found that somewhat impressive. I assume that all machines are on the same subnet? CUPS can be configured to allow & deny by host. /etc/cups/cupsd.conf is essential reading. You may need to give more details of the version of CUPS on each machine and of which PPDs you're using (where appropriate - see /etc/ cups/ppd/) and the contents of /etc/cups/printers.conf. I found the CUPS website rather overwhelming - there's TOO MUCH documentation - but have noticed a number of helpful & knowledgeable responses on the CUPS mailing lists . It seems like CUPS is well- maintained and bugs documented - it seems to me like I've seen more than one post saying "we know about this one - it's fixed in version 1.x.y". Stroller. From michaelelliott at mac.com Sun Nov 5 09:37:44 2006 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Sun Nov 5 09:37:55 2006 Subject: [X4U] OT: iPod crash when listening to a particular podcast Message-ID: <1574D091-241E-4D6B-9FD4-2415700D75FF@mac.com> OT for this group I know, but I was hoping that some of the knowledgeable people here would see if this is reproducible. I have listened to a great political podcast, KCRW's Left, Right & Center for a long time. About 2 months ago, I started getting crashes of my fifth-generation video iPod whenever I try to play their podcasts. I can unsubscribe, re-subscribe, etc, but it always hard-crashes the iPod. No other pod- casts do this...and their pod-casts were working fine on the same iPod up until a couple of months ago. I'm going to try to reset my iPod and re-sync my library, but I was wondering if anyone else with a 5G iPod can try to subscribe, sync, and see if it happens to them as well. The iTunes store description with the "subscribe" button is at: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=73329771 If anyone tries it and it works or crashes, could you let me know? Happy to take responses off the list. Thanks Michael From michaelelliott at mac.com Sun Nov 5 09:41:26 2006 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Sun Nov 5 09:41:38 2006 Subject: [X4U] Monitor Resolution Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, with a 1.2 megapixel picture, it will look blocky if you full- screen it on EITHER of your high-resolution monitors, whether it is the 20 or the 22" Michael On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:40 PM, revDAVE wrote: > Thanks Michael - except I'll bet as far as monitors - the quality will > remain high right? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20061105/a14bfd7d/attachment.html From bluellama at charter.net Sun Nov 5 19:18:06 2006 From: bluellama at charter.net (Bluellama) Date: Sun Nov 5 19:18:28 2006 Subject: [X4U] OSX under the hood info please. Message-ID: <3DD7F426-1AE4-4744-8D00-2C025C38A186@charter.net> I am looking for recommended resources (have done the Google/search option) for simple language (ie non-programmer) for the basic behind- the scenes stuff in OSX. I would like to start playing in terminal to modify and/or understand what is happening under the hood. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks and kind regards, mr From spikedds at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 5 20:08:52 2006 From: spikedds at bellsouth.net (David R. Boag) Date: Sun Nov 5 20:08:53 2006 Subject: [X4U] Software Update Error Message-ID: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> the last two times I have tried to update iTunes via Software Update, I have run into the "can't expand and install the file" error after DLing it. I've been able to manually DL the iTunes updates from Apple's site, so no biggie, but it's rather annoying. Any ideas why it might be happening? I thought it was just a fluke last time, but it's obviously something more than that. -- David R. Boag, DDS spikedds@bellsouth.net http://www.southatlantadental.com/ From jessup at san.rr.com Sun Nov 5 20:25:59 2006 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sun Nov 5 20:27:06 2006 Subject: [X4U] OSX under the hood info please. In-Reply-To: <3DD7F426-1AE4-4744-8D00-2C025C38A186@charter.net> References: <3DD7F426-1AE4-4744-8D00-2C025C38A186@charter.net> Message-ID: At 10:18 PM -0500 5/11/06, Bluellama wrote: >I am looking for recommended resources (have done the Google/search >option) for simple language (ie non-programmer) for the basic >behind-the scenes stuff in OSX. I would like to start playing in >terminal to modify and/or understand what is happening under the >hood. Any assistance would be appreciated. I'm not sure this is what you are looking for, but here is a series of tutorials on Unix on the Mac that I found tremendously helpful. I have gone through it twice and am now starting basic programming training and am no longer afraid of it! Daly ---------------------- From bluellama at charter.net Sun Nov 5 21:22:45 2006 From: bluellama at charter.net (Bluellama) Date: Sun Nov 5 21:22:58 2006 Subject: [X4U] OSX under the hood info please. In-Reply-To: References: <3DD7F426-1AE4-4744-8D00-2C025C38A186@charter.net> Message-ID: Awesome, thank you very much. The sites looks like a great place to start learning, I appreciate the information. Kind Regards, mr On Nov 5, 2006, at 11:25 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 10:18 PM -0500 5/11/06, Bluellama wrote: >> I am looking for recommended resources (have done the Google/ >> search option) for simple language (ie non-programmer) for the >> basic behind-the scenes stuff in OSX. I would like to start >> playing in terminal to modify and/or understand what is happening >> under the hood. Any assistance would be appreciated. > > I'm not sure this is what you are looking for, but here is a series > of tutorials on Unix on the Mac that I found tremendously helpful. > I have gone through it twice and am now starting basic programming > training and am no longer afraid of it! > > > > Daly > ---------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Nov 5 21:40:12 2006 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Nov 5 21:40:24 2006 Subject: [X4U] OSX under the hood info please. In-Reply-To: <3DD7F426-1AE4-4744-8D00-2C025C38A186@charter.net> References: <3DD7F426-1AE4-4744-8D00-2C025C38A186@charter.net> Message-ID: At 10:18 PM -0500 11/5/06, Bluellama wrote: >I am looking for recommended resources (have done the Google/search >option) for simple language (ie non-programmer) for the basic >behind-the scenes stuff in OSX. I would like to start playing in >terminal to modify and/or understand what is happening under the >hood. Any assistance would be appreciated. I'm not quite sure what you're looking for. I'm a Unix Sysadmin by trade, but basically never tinker around under the hook on Mac OS X. In fact I think the extent has pretty much been to use nidump/niload to dump the hosts file and update it rather than going through the GUI (way to painful for me). For this kind of thing on other Unix systems, I typically use Perl, as it's great for manipulating data. I also use Perl on the Mac for a few things, such as munging data into a state that it can be input into an SQL database. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From bluellama at charter.net Sun Nov 5 22:08:10 2006 From: bluellama at charter.net (Bluellama) Date: Sun Nov 5 22:08:33 2006 Subject: [X4U] OSX under the hood info please. In-Reply-To: References: <3DD7F426-1AE4-4744-8D00-2C025C38A186@charter.net> Message-ID: I guess I am one of those weird individuals that likes to know a little about how the items I am using works. I was pretty comfortable with the Mac OS's prior to OSX, now I have been using it for a few years now and feel a need to explore and look. I love the GUI, I merely wish to peek behind the curtain and somewhat understand what is going on. I have just put together a nice little iMac for just that reason, so if I do something boneheaded (very likely) it won't be a major disaster and cause any downtime on the main Mac. regards, Mark On Nov 6, 2006, at 12:40 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote: > At 10:18 PM -0500 11/5/06, Bluellama wrote: >> I am looking for recommended resources (have done the Google/ >> search option) for simple language (ie non-programmer) for the >> basic behind-the scenes stuff in OSX. I would like to start >> playing in terminal to modify and/or understand what is happening >> under the hood. Any assistance would be appreciated. > > I'm not quite sure what you're looking for. I'm a Unix Sysadmin by > trade, but basically never tinker around under the hook on Mac OS > X. In fact I think the extent has pretty much been to use nidump/ > niload to dump the hosts file and update it rather than going > through the GUI (way to painful for me). > > For this kind of thing on other Unix systems, I typically use Perl, > as it's great for manipulating data. I also use Perl on the Mac > for a few things, such as munging data into a state that it can be > input into an SQL database. > > Zane > > > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | > | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | > | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From mark at astroprinting.com Mon Nov 6 10:51:41 2006 From: mark at astroprinting.com (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Mon Nov 6 10:56:41 2006 Subject: [X4U] Changing Autofill info in Safari Message-ID: <4925F34A-F9B5-4A56-89E9-606F8631881B@astroprinting.com> Hi All, I'm part of a hockey pool that's hosted by officepools.com. Last year I would log in using "poolname2005" and Safari would remember it so that each time I opened the page I just had to click the "login" button. This year's the same except the new log in is "poolname2006". At home I typed the new log in into Safari once and it remembered it but here at work It keeps coming up with the 2005 name. How can I change it to remember my current log in name? Mark Des Cotes Systems Manager/Graphic Designer Astro Printing Service (Cornwall) Ltd. 3308 Second Street East Cornwall Ontario Canada K6H 6J8 T (613) 932-9281 Ext 106, F (613) 932-1052 www.astroprinting.com From thejunkmonger at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 11:04:50 2006 From: thejunkmonger at gmail.com (Richard Clark) Date: Mon Nov 6 11:04:58 2006 Subject: [X4U] Changing Autofill info in Safari In-Reply-To: <4925F34A-F9B5-4A56-89E9-606F8631881B@astroprinting.com> References: <4925F34A-F9B5-4A56-89E9-606F8631881B@astroprinting.com> Message-ID: <272BF788-5202-46EE-BC30-71FFFFDB74F2@gmail.com> On Nov 6, 2006, at 7:51 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm part of a hockey pool that's hosted by officepools.com. Last > year I would log in using "poolname2005" and Safari would remember > it so that each time I opened the page I just had to click the > "login" button. This year's the same except the new log in is > "poolname2006". At home I typed the new log in into Safari once and > it remembered it but here at work It keeps coming up with the 2005 > name. How can I change it to remember my current log in name? Go to Apps/utilities/keychain access.app and change it there. From meged at earthlink.net Mon Nov 6 11:21:24 2006 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Mon Nov 6 11:21:26 2006 Subject: [X4U] Changing Autofill info in Safari In-Reply-To: <4925F34A-F9B5-4A56-89E9-606F8631881B@astroprinting.com> Message-ID: On 11/6/06 10:51 AM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > I'm part of a hockey pool that's hosted by officepools.com. Last year > I would log in using "poolname2005" and Safari would remember it so > that each time I opened the page I just had to click the "login" > button. This year's the same except the new log in is "poolname2006". > At home I typed the new log in into Safari once and it remembered it > but here at work It keeps coming up with the 2005 name. How can I > change it to remember my current log in name? Safari>Preferences... AutoFill tab Next to User names and passwords, click the Edit... Button Select the Website with associated User Name listing and click Remove Done The next time you visit the site it shouldn't autofill with the old username. From baltwo at san.rr.com Mon Nov 6 12:25:51 2006 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Mon Nov 6 12:26:03 2006 Subject: [X4U] OSX under the hood info please. In-Reply-To: <20061106190503.B3ACF3A23AE@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20061106190503.B3ACF3A23AE@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 11/05/06, Bluellama wrote: > > I am looking for recommended resources (have done the Google/search > option) for simple language (ie non-programmer) for the basic behind- > the scenes stuff in OSX. I would like to start playing in terminal to > modify and/or understand what is happening under the hood. Any > assistance would be appreciated. Start with , , and . Those should keep you busy for awhile. From rgilmor at uwo.ca Mon Nov 6 13:04:37 2006 From: rgilmor at uwo.ca (Richard Gilmore) Date: Mon Nov 6 13:03:40 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FF 2.0 is buggy on PPC but not Intel I found the 2.0 version on PPC consistently does not render a simple page like Google correctly on first load. You have to close the window then reload the page for it to work right. Also I've had trouble with FF 2.0 copy and pasting the address to other apps. I went back to FF 1.5 Interestingly on my Mactel at work with FF 2.0 I do not notice such problems, which seem confined to my G5 YMMV Richard From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Nov 6 14:14:53 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:15:06 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/6/06 3:04 PM, Richard Gilmore wrote: > I found the 2.0 version on PPC consistently does not render a simple page > like Google correctly on first load. You have to close the window then > reload the page for it to work right. Interesting. This has not been my experience at all with Firefox 2.0 on both OS X 10.3.9 and OS X 10.4.8. I had installed a buggy add-on, but removed it, and "plain vanilla" Firefox is performing perfectly. ~Linda From jperdman at earthlink.net Mon Nov 6 14:27:30 2006 From: jperdman at earthlink.net (John Erdman) Date: Mon Nov 6 14:27:35 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> References: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> On Nov 5, 2006, at 11:08 PM, David R. Boag wrote: I'm watching a longish video from Google. I'd like to continue to watch it later off line. It appears to have been completely downloaded to somewhere either in RAM or on my hard drive. ie the loading bar on the video player reached the end. I happen to be watching it in Camino. But this question would apply to Firefox and Safari too. Where are the downloaded files stored temporarily? (a cache somewhere?) How would I identify it? Can I move it to a safer more permanent place to be able to watch it later off line. Thanks, John In Maine From clong at mac.com Mon Nov 6 15:16:53 2006 From: clong at mac.com (Chris Long) Date: Mon Nov 6 15:17:08 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> References: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I've read that it is easiest in Safari... with the video in the front window, choose Window and Activity... then look for the largest file size, double-click it, and then choose File and Save As to name it and watch it later. The same works for YouTube and other Flash video sites. Chris On Nov 6, 2006, at 4:27 PM, John Erdman wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2006, at 11:08 PM, David R. Boag wrote: > I'm watching a longish video from Google. I'd like to continue to > watch it later off line. It appears to have been completely > downloaded to somewhere either in RAM or on my hard drive. ie the > loading bar on the video player reached the end. > > I happen to be watching it in Camino. But this question would apply > to Firefox and Safari too. > > > Where are the downloaded files stored temporarily? (a cache > somewhere?) How would I identify it? Can I move it to a safer more > permanent place to be able to watch it later off line. > From list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net Mon Nov 6 15:32:48 2006 From: list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Mon Nov 6 15:32:50 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: <454CEF58.10505@mac.com> Message-ID: <20061106233248.GB411@core-age.linksys> On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:53:53PM CST, Linda wrote: : : On 11/4/06 1:51 PM, poolmouse_nyc wrote: : : > ...which is why most of us use bbedit on mac. : : "Most of us"? You might be surprised what people are using. :-) I remember using BBEdit back when I was using OS 9... -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Nov 6 15:37:56 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Nov 6 15:38:09 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <20061106233248.GB411@core-age.linksys> Message-ID: On 11/6/06 5:32 PM, Eugene wrote: > I remember using BBEdit back when I was using OS 9... > heck yes, I use it just about every day for one thing or another. But the thread is talking about web design and site creation, and I was simply saying that I'm not sure "most of us" use bbedit to create sites from scratch. From keith_w at dslextreme.com Mon Nov 6 15:43:24 2006 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Mon Nov 6 15:43:31 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <20061106233248.GB411@core-age.linksys> References: <454CEF58.10505@mac.com> <20061106233248.GB411@core-age.linksys> Message-ID: <454FC89C.2080100@dslextreme.com> Eugene wrote: > On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:53:53PM CST, Linda wrote: > : > : On 11/4/06 1:51 PM, poolmouse_nyc wrote: > : > : > ...which is why most of us use bbedit on mac. > : "Most of us"? You might be surprised what people are using. :-) > I remember using BBEdit back when I was using OS 9... I used to use BBEdit Lite and liked it very much, but saw no reason to pay for the professional version. Much bigger than I needed. Lite did just fine. But, I think since they found out most people got along well without purchasing the heavyweight program, they stopped offering, AND supporting, BBEdit Lite. Too bad. I use something else now, but it's NOT BBEdit. keith whaley From stermarc at mac.com Mon Nov 6 14:57:27 2006 From: stermarc at mac.com (Marc Stergionis) Date: Mon Nov 6 15:55:03 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <454FC89C.2080100@dslextreme.com> References: <454CEF58.10505@mac.com> <20061106233248.GB411@core-age.linksys> <454FC89C.2080100@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: At 3:43 PM -0800 11/6/06, keith_w wrote: >Eugene wrote: >>On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:53:53PM CST, Linda wrote: >>: : On 11/4/06 1:51 PM, poolmouse_nyc wrote: >>: : > ...which is why most of us use bbedit on mac. > > >>: "Most of us"? You might be surprised what people are using. :-) > > >>I remember using BBEdit back when I was using OS 9... > >I used to use BBEdit Lite and liked it very much, but saw no reason >to pay for the professional version. Much bigger than I needed. Lite >did just fine. >But, I think since they found out most people got along well without >purchasing the heavyweight program, they stopped offering, AND >supporting, BBEdit Lite. > >Too bad. I use something else now, but it's NOT BBEdit. Too bad. Barebones Software "morphed" BBEdit Lite to what's now TextWrangler. Also free: -- Marc Stergionis Writer & Web Designer 406.868.7644 From keith_w at dslextreme.com Mon Nov 6 16:16:40 2006 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Mon Nov 6 16:17:00 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: <454CEF58.10505@mac.com> <20061106233248.GB411@core-age.linksys> <454FC89C.2080100@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <454FD068.5010003@dslextreme.com> Marc Stergionis wrote: > At 3:43 PM -0800 11/6/06, keith_w wrote: >> I used to use BBEdit Lite and liked it very much, but saw no reason >> to pay for the professional version. Much bigger than I needed. Lite >> did just fine. >> But, I think since they found out most people got along well without >> purchasing the heavyweight program, they stopped offering, AND >> supporting, BBEdit Lite. >> >> Too bad. I use something else now, but it's NOT BBEdit. > Too bad. Barebones Software "morphed" BBEdit Lite to what's now > TextWrangler. Also free: > > Hah! I had downloaded TextWrangler way back when they first offered it, and for some reason didn't think it was up to what BBEdit Lite offered, so didn't use it. I've just downloaded the upgrade version, and will try it again... Thanks for reminding me, Marc! keith whaley From Lists at mac.com Mon Nov 6 15:20:36 2006 From: Lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Mon Nov 6 16:20:45 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Since it's a Google video, just go to the right and click "Download for Mac/Windows." From philip.robar at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 16:33:36 2006 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Mon Nov 6 16:33:48 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: <454FD068.5010003@dslextreme.com> References: <454CEF58.10505@mac.com> <20061106233248.GB411@core-age.linksys> <454FC89C.2080100@dslextreme.com> <454FD068.5010003@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <0F841BCA-4EFD-499B-AAC7-37CAA40615ED@gmail.com> On Nov 6, 2006, at 4:16 PM, keith_w wrote: > I had downloaded TextWrangler way back when they first offered it, > and for some reason didn't think it was up to what BBEdit Lite > offered, so didn't use it. I've just downloaded the upgrade version, > and will try it again... TextWrangler actually has many more features than BBEdit Lite. It has almost all of the features of the retail product. Phil -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From macmonster at myrealbox.com Mon Nov 6 17:27:33 2006 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Mon Nov 6 17:28:18 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C5B10BA-CB21-4C1F-AA56-29263689788A@myrealbox.com> On 6 Nov 2006, at 23:20, Neil wrote: > Since it's a Google video, just go to the right and click "Download > for > Mac/Windows." I think this will only download the .gvp "link" file, which requires Google Video Player for viewing. I have no idea whether this will resume correctly, picking up the completed file from Safari's cache, however I detest being tied into Google's player - you surely cannot transfer the 1.2kb .gvp file over to another machine on the LAN and playback the video should Google remove the content from their site for some reason. For anything more than a minute or two in length, I prefer to download to my hard-drive and watch in Quicktime when it is completed. Choosing the "Download for Video iPod / Sony PSP" will allow you to do this. I think it is some kind of standard ,mp4 file, which can be properly archived in my "hilarious accident videos" folder. This is no help whatsoever to the original poster, if his Google Video has been buffered over hours in a Safari window, but he may find it a more useful way of downloading videos in the future. Stroller. From jperdman at earthlink.net Mon Nov 6 18:13:07 2006 From: jperdman at earthlink.net (John Erdman) Date: Mon Nov 6 18:13:16 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: References: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <28CDE4EB-2B9A-4EA5-9CB0-FB17DEC749E5@earthlink.net> Chris - This didn't seem to work. I found the list as you suggested but when I clicked on the obvious video file it downloaded a file with the extension *.flr . None of my apps would even recognize it. I assume it it a Flash file. Browser wouldn't touch it. Stroller's suggestion worked fine. I hadn't noticed the Download button, its possible that it wasn't there as I found the video via surfing from another site rather than going to Google.Video directly. The DL of the .mp4 format seems to be going well. AND MUCH FASTER. Will know soon whether it works OK. Thanks to you and the others for your help John On Nov 6, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Chris Long wrote: > I've read that it is easiest in Safari... with the video in the > front window, choose Window and Activity... then look for the > largest file size, double-click it, and then choose File and Save > As to name it and watch it later. > The same works for YouTube and other Flash video sites. > > Chris From jmarett at mac.com Mon Nov 6 18:26:21 2006 From: jmarett at mac.com (Jon Marett) Date: Mon Nov 6 18:26:42 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: <28CDE4EB-2B9A-4EA5-9CB0-FB17DEC749E5@earthlink.net> References: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> <28CDE4EB-2B9A-4EA5-9CB0-FB17DEC749E5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Nov 6, 2006, at 6:13 PM, John Erdman wrote: > > Chris - This didn't seem to work. I found the list as you suggested > but when I clicked on the obvious video file it downloaded a file > with the extension *.flr > . > None of my apps would even recognize it. I assume it it a Flash > file. Browser wouldn't touch it. iSquint is a nice utility for converting the raw video files from YouTube. jon ________________________ "Content makes poor men rich; discontentment makes rich men poor." -Benjamin Franklin From jessup at san.rr.com Mon Nov 6 18:23:40 2006 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Mon Nov 6 18:50:57 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:04 PM -0500 6/11/06, Richard Gilmore wrote: >FF 2.0 is buggy on PPC but not Intel > >I found the 2.0 version on PPC consistently does not render a simple page >like Google correctly on first load. You have to close the window then >reload the page for it to work right. Also I've had trouble with FF 2.0 copy >and pasting the address to other apps. I went back to FF 1.5 > >Interestingly on my Mactel at work with FF 2.0 I do not notice such >problems, which seem confined to my G5 I have absolutely no such problems, and the new FireFox loads considerably faster than the old one. I'm using a dual 2 GHz G5 with OS X 10.4.8. I also haven't seen those problems on any other PPC Macs I've worked on lately, and I have given them all FireFox 2.0. Daly ---------------------- From jperdman at earthlink.net Mon Nov 6 19:04:48 2006 From: jperdman at earthlink.net (John Erdman) Date: Mon Nov 6 19:04:54 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: References: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> <28CDE4EB-2B9A-4EA5-9CB0-FB17DEC749E5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The suggestion to use iSquint worked fine. It converted the .flv file into a working .mp4 file. That's good to know and to have in my armamentarium. But Stroller's suggestion to access the file directly from Video.Google.com and to use the Download for iPod/Sony was far easier and faster. Thanks to all. John > >> >> Chris - This didn't seem to work. I found the list as you >> suggested but when I clicked on the obvious video file it >> downloaded a file with the extension *.flv >> . >> None of my apps would even recognize it. I assume it it a Flash >> file. Browser wouldn't touch it. > > > iSquint is a nice utility for converting the raw video files from > YouTube. > > > > jon From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Mon Nov 6 19:39:24 2006 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Mon Nov 6 19:40:07 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: References: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> <28CDE4EB-2B9A-4EA5-9CB0-FB17DEC749E5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: You also can try Tubesock to convert YouTube video. Free is less than 30 sec. and 15$ if more than 30 sec. Paul Moortgat On 07 Nov 2006, at 04:04, John Erdman wrote: > The suggestion to use iSquint worked fine. It converted the .flv > file into a working .mp4 file. That's good to know and to have in > my armamentarium. But Stroller's suggestion to access the file > directly from Video.Google.com and to use the Download for iPod/ > Sony was far easier and faster. > > > Thanks to all. > > John > > >> >>> >>> Chris - This didn't seem to work. I found the list as you >>> suggested but when I clicked on the obvious video file it >>> downloaded a file with the extension *.flv >>> . >>> None of my apps would even recognize it. I assume it it a Flash >>> file. Browser wouldn't touch it. >> >> >> iSquint is a nice utility for converting the raw video files from >> YouTube. >> >> >> >> jon From clong at mac.com Mon Nov 6 21:23:06 2006 From: clong at mac.com (Chris Long) Date: Mon Nov 6 21:23:32 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: <28CDE4EB-2B9A-4EA5-9CB0-FB17DEC749E5@earthlink.net> References: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> <28CDE4EB-2B9A-4EA5-9CB0-FB17DEC749E5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Do you have Flash enabled in Quicktime (disabled by default in 7.1 I believe)? That is what I have used to view the files the few times I've done this. Just as a note, I used iSquint to then convert to mp4 and then do some cleaning up in iMovie. Chris On Nov 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, John Erdman wrote: > This didn't seem to work. I found the list as you suggested but > when I clicked on the obvious video file it downloaded a file with > the extension *.flr From lazilicata at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 03:16:56 2006 From: lazilicata at gmail.com (Lee Licata) Date: Tue Nov 7 03:17:37 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question Message-ID: <02FB4218-641B-47B0-BCD5-C2C72A42915F@gmail.com> Chris, great tip. Thanks. Just tried it with a Youtube movie about steve irwin (http:// youtube.com/watch?v=5MppLxCVr9k) When I found the largest file and double-clicked, it downloaded the file automatically. The file was a ".flv" file that quicktime (not the "pro") would not play. Safari could not play it either. Any hint what will? Lee ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:16:53 -0600 From: Chris Long I've read that it is easiest in Safari... with the video in the front window, choose Window and Activity... then look for the largest file size, double-click it, and then choose File and Save As to name it and watch it later. The same works for YouTube and other Flash video sites. Chris From jessup at san.rr.com Tue Nov 7 04:18:48 2006 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Tue Nov 7 04:19:39 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question In-Reply-To: <02FB4218-641B-47B0-BCD5-C2C72A42915F@gmail.com> References: <02FB4218-641B-47B0-BCD5-C2C72A42915F@gmail.com> Message-ID: At 1:16 PM +0200 7/11/06, Lee Licata wrote: >Chris, great tip. Thanks. > >Just tried it with a Youtube movie about steve irwin >(http://youtube.com/watch?v=5MppLxCVr9k) > >When I found the largest file and double-clicked, it downloaded the >file automatically. > >The file was a ".flv" file that quicktime (not the "pro") would not >play. Safari could not play it either. > >Any hint what will? Hm, I got a .webarchive file when I did this. It is 404 Kb in size. It plays in a browser window when I double click it, and the URL when it play is "file.//.....". I went to the URL above and let the whole video play to the end. Then I went to Window/Activity, selected the top item (if I clicked the arrow next to it it showed 50+ subfiles, so I just chose the top item, and chose File/Save. How did you do it? Daly ---------------------- From macsys at mac.com Tue Nov 7 04:38:35 2006 From: macsys at mac.com (Wayne Wilkin) Date: Tue Nov 7 04:39:10 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question In-Reply-To: <02FB4218-641B-47B0-BCD5-C2C72A42915F@gmail.com> References: <02FB4218-641B-47B0-BCD5-C2C72A42915F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ADD5E89-D226-4FFF-8005-A4D423511C9D@mac.com> I was looking at another post from a different message board and they are using this plug-in to play flv's. It's a quicktime plug-in. http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/perian.html Already tried it works good. There is another one that plays flv's and flash, haven't tried it yet. http://www.wimpyplayer.com/products/wimpy_standalone_flv_player.html On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:16 AM, Lee Licata wrote: > Chris, great tip. Thanks. > > Just tried it with a Youtube movie about steve irwin (http:// > youtube.com/watch?v=5MppLxCVr9k) > > When I found the largest file and double-clicked, it downloaded the > file automatically. > > The file was a ".flv" file that quicktime (not the "pro") would not > play. Safari could not play it either. > > Any hint what will? > > Lee > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:16:53 -0600 > From: Chris Long > > I've read that it is easiest in Safari... with the video in the > front window, choose Window and Activity... then look for the > largest file size, double-click it, and then choose File and Save > As to name it and watch it later. > > The same works for YouTube and other Flash video sites. > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jperdman at earthlink.net Tue Nov 7 05:59:35 2006 From: jperdman at earthlink.net (John Erdman) Date: Tue Nov 7 05:59:46 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: References: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> <28CDE4EB-2B9A-4EA5-9CB0-FB17DEC749E5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Chris- I think I'm all set now. When I installed the Perian component in the QT library it worked flawlessly. Before that it wouldn't open. I don't see in QT 7.1.2 the option to turn Flash on/off. But I guess I don't need to as everything works fine. TFTH John On Nov 7, 2006, at 12:23 AM, Chris Long wrote: > Do you have Flash enabled in Quicktime (disabled by default in 7.1 > I believe)? That is what I have used to view the files the few > times I've done this. Just as a note, I used iSquint to then > convert to mp4 and then do some cleaning up in iMovie. > > Chris > > On Nov 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, John Erdman wrote: > >> This didn't seem to work. I found the list as you suggested but >> when I clicked on the obvious video file it downloaded a file with >> the extension *.flr From peterstj at earthlink.net Tue Nov 7 06:35:36 2006 From: peterstj at earthlink.net (Peter Saint James) Date: Tue Nov 7 06:36:29 2006 Subject: [X4U] Getting windows to open properly In-Reply-To: <8597AE87-1951-4477-871B-0030CB988005@gmail.com> References: <11F73DCA-5EFA-43BC-B992-5907F2310F81@earthlink.net> <8597AE87-1951-4477-871B-0030CB988005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21AB1B6C-3ADA-4FE2-B18A-49D832EB4435@earthlink.net> On 4 Nov 2006, at 7:34 PM, Philip J Robar wrote: > There are several utilities that make various internal, hidden > settings of OS X visible to users. Take a look at Deeper, Mac > Pilot, Pref Setter, Tiger Cache Cleaner, Tiger Tamer, and Xupport. > http://www.macupdate.com would be a good place to look for > information and users ratings of each. Thank you. It didn't occur to me that there would be a program to do what I want, but it makes sense. This probably has irritated people who know how to write a program that would make the changes. I appreciate the benefit of your thinking. I'll look around. Also, the comment that each application chooses the way to open its windows also makes sense, because different apps seem to do different things. My thinking on this is not a whole lot clearer. Thank you. Peter From jessup at san.rr.com Tue Nov 7 06:36:18 2006 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Tue Nov 7 06:36:43 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: References: <5723B4D5-94DB-4624-AD77-8DD4940B24C3@bellsouth.net> <444F155D-1CB1-4B4E-AF4E-CDEA3338A895@earthlink.net> <28CDE4EB-2B9A-4EA5-9CB0-FB17DEC749E5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 8:59 AM -0500 7/11/06, John Erdman wrote: >Chris- I think I'm all set now. When I installed the Perian >component in the QT library it worked flawlessly. Before that it >wouldn't open. I don't see in QT 7.1.2 the option to turn Flash >on/off. But I guess I don't need to as everything works fine. John, Go to the QuickTime System Pref pane. Under the Advanced tab there, you should see a checkbox for "Enable Flash". Daly ---------------------- From clong at mac.com Tue Nov 7 06:43:15 2006 From: clong at mac.com (Chris Long) Date: Tue Nov 7 06:43:28 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question In-Reply-To: References: <02FB4218-641B-47B0-BCD5-C2C72A42915F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3070567D-868B-4672-BA69-869B77856BEC@mac.com> You have to look in the list of individual files. For YouTube, it should be called "get_video" and you have to add .flv to the file name. I don't recall installing the Perian plugin before, but it is present in my Library/Quicktime folder, so that must be the key to playing them. On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:18 AM, Daly Jessup wrote: > Hm, I got a .webarchive file when I did this. It is 404 Kb in size. > It plays in a browser window when I double click it, and the URL > when it play is "file.//.....". > > I went to the URL above and let the whole video play to the end. > Then I went to Window/Activity, selected the top item (if I clicked > the arrow next to it it showed 50+ subfiles, so I just chose the > top item, and chose File/Save. > > How did you do it? From mark at astroprinting.com Tue Nov 7 06:52:27 2006 From: mark at astroprinting.com (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Tue Nov 7 06:58:09 2006 Subject: [X4U] Changing Autofill info in Safari In-Reply-To: <272BF788-5202-46EE-BC30-71FFFFDB74F2@gmail.com> References: <4925F34A-F9B5-4A56-89E9-606F8631881B@astroprinting.com> <272BF788-5202-46EE-BC30-71FFFFDB74F2@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6-Nov-06, at 2:04 PM, Richard Clark wrote: > > On Nov 6, 2006, at 7:51 PM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I'm part of a hockey pool that's hosted by officepools.com. Last >> year I would log in using "poolname2005" and Safari would remember >> it so that each time I opened the page I just had to click the >> "login" button. This year's the same except the new log in is >> "poolname2006". At home I typed the new log in into Safari once >> and it remembered it but here at work It keeps coming up with the >> 2005 name. How can I change it to remember my current log in name? > > > Go to Apps/utilities/keychain access.app and change it there. Tried but the site isn't listed there. > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From mark at astroprinting.com Tue Nov 7 06:53:16 2006 From: mark at astroprinting.com (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Tue Nov 7 06:58:50 2006 Subject: [X4U] Changing Autofill info in Safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DC6085A-E558-44A2-9687-30B0C17B44F8@astroprinting.com> On 6-Nov-06, at 2:21 PM, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > > On 11/6/06 10:51 AM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > >> I'm part of a hockey pool that's hosted by officepools.com. Last year >> I would log in using "poolname2005" and Safari would remember it so >> that each time I opened the page I just had to click the "login" >> button. This year's the same except the new log in is "poolname2006". >> At home I typed the new log in into Safari once and it remembered it >> but here at work It keeps coming up with the 2005 name. How can I >> change it to remember my current log in name? > > Safari>Preferences... AutoFill tab > Next to User names and passwords, click the Edit... Button > Select the Website with associated User Name listing and click Remove > Done > > The next time you visit the site it shouldn't autofill with the old > username. > The User names and passwords option wasn't checked. clicking Edit opens a blank window. > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From rgilmor at uwo.ca Tue Nov 7 09:35:36 2006 From: rgilmor at uwo.ca (Richard Gilmore) Date: Tue Nov 7 09:34:42 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm just telling my experience. I have a dual 2.3 G5, 1.5GB of RAM I can take screen shots if you don't believe me. It is a consistent repeatable problem. As I said the Mactel doesn't display this behaviour. On 6/11/06 9:23 PM, "Daly Jessup" wrote: > At 4:04 PM -0500 6/11/06, Richard Gilmore wrote: >> FF 2.0 is buggy on PPC but not Intel >> >> I found the 2.0 version on PPC consistently does not render a simple page >> like Google correctly on first load. You have to close the window then >> reload the page for it to work right. Also I've had trouble with FF 2.0 copy >> and pasting the address to other apps. I went back to FF 1.5 >> >> Interestingly on my Mactel at work with FF 2.0 I do not notice such >> problems, which seem confined to my G5 > > I have absolutely no such problems, and the new FireFox loads > considerably faster than the old one. I'm using a dual 2 GHz G5 with > OS X 10.4.8. I also haven't seen those problems on any other PPC > Macs I've worked on lately, and I have given them all FireFox 2.0. > > Daly > ---------------------- > From rgilmor at uwo.ca Tue Nov 7 09:39:32 2006 From: rgilmor at uwo.ca (Richard Gilmore) Date: Tue Nov 7 09:38:32 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How do you download YouTube content? I tried but I thought it was impossible? Richard From XPressoBean at mac.com Tue Nov 7 09:45:43 2006 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Tue Nov 7 09:45:56 2006 Subject: [X4U] Firefox question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11/7/06 11:35 AM, Richard Gilmore wrote: > I'm just telling my experience. I have a dual 2.3 G5, 1.5GB of RAM I can > take screen shots if you don't believe me. It is a consistent repeatable > problem. Do you have any of the Firefox add-ons installed? Not all of them were updated for version 2, and cold be causing hassles. I had installed one that has a bug that causes pages to not open but instead piled them up in tabs on the left side in a very thin strip. Disabling it worked just fine. peace, Linda (Dual 2GHz G5/2GB RAM/10.3.9, 1GHz 17" AlBook/1GB RAM/10.4.8) From lalicata at alum.rpi.edu Tue Nov 7 10:22:17 2006 From: lalicata at alum.rpi.edu (Lee Licata) Date: Tue Nov 7 10:22:34 2006 Subject: [X4U] Streaming video question Message-ID: <13E28A21-D326-4854-B615-6E041646E015@alum.rpi.edu> Dale, et al, I opened the activity window, clicked on the arrow, whole bunch of file names showed up, and and selected the largest file. if was 7.6 mbytes in size. Double clicked, and download started automatically. Will try your way... Thanks! Lee +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 04:18:48 -0800 From: Daly Jessup Subject: Re: [X4U] Streaming video question At 1:16 PM +0200 7/11/06, Lee Licata wrote: > Chris, great tip. Thanks. > > Just tried it with a Youtube movie about steve irwin > (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5MppLxCVr9k) > > When I found the largest file and double-clicked, it downloaded the > file automatically. > > The file was a ".flv" file that quicktime (not the "pro") would not > play. Safari could not play it either. > > Any hint what will? > Hm, I got a .webarchive file when I did this. It is 404 Kb in size. It plays in a browser window when I double click it, and the URL when it play is "file.//.....". I went to the URL above and let the whole video play to the end. Then I went to Window/Activity, selected the top item (if I clicked the arrow next to it it showed 50+ subfiles, so I just chose the top item, and chose File/Save. How did you do it? Daly -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2425 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20061107/979a6696/smime.bin From richards at spawar.navy.mil Tue Nov 7 11:01:32 2006 From: richards at spawar.navy.mil (John Richardson) Date: Tue Nov 7 11:00:33 2006 Subject: [X4U] OSX under the hood info please. In-Reply-To: <3DD7F426-1AE4-4744-8D00-2C025C38A186@charter.net> Message-ID: <007b01c7029f$24cdef40$3a643180@doc> Hello, Try the Mac OSX Unleashed book by Ray and Ray. It is a UNIX Superbible specifically for the Macintosh. About 1000 pages of geek stuff. Get the version that matches your OS. There is no simple language for under the hood. However, try the Missing Manual series (O'Reilley) for your OS if you feel intimidated [ see below ] by the Ray and Ray book. Actually, just go to your nearest Borders or Barnes and Nobel and browse the Macintosh section. Then browse the UNIX section. I know there is a Macintosh for Unix users type of book out. As you approach the Macintosh book section....SHOW NO FEAR....The Ray and Ray book can smell newbie fear from a distance of 3 book categories away...you cannot hide in the map section.... Other posters have listed some internet resources so have fun.... John F. Richardson -----Original Message----- From: x4u-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:x4u-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Bluellama Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:18 PM To: X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: [X4U] OSX under the hood info please. I am looking for recommended resources (have done the Google/search option) for simple language (ie non-programmer) for the basic behind- the scenes stuff in OSX. I would like to start playing in terminal to modify and/or understand what is happening under the hood. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks and kind regards, mr _______________________________________________ X4U mailing list X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From netkat at comcast.net Tue Nov 7 13:13:17 2006 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:13:23 2006 Subject: [X4U] Text Edit word count Message-ID: <6a2255bd474fea87673f1f3059bb1729@comcast.net> Anyone know whether Text Edit's word count counts returns in it's word count? I'm trying to post to a job site, am told I'm over their 3000-word limit. I hacked it down to 2900, but STILL was rejected! Got a snotty e-mail back from their tech support saying that my editor doesn't count returns, and that's why I'm over the limit. good gravy! thanks! nk From douglist at macnauchtan.com Tue Nov 7 13:21:35 2006 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Tue Nov 7 13:21:45 2006 Subject: [X4U] OSX under the hood info please. In-Reply-To: <007b01c7029f$24cdef40$3a643180@doc> References: <007b01c7029f$24cdef40$3a643180@doc> Message-ID: At 11:01 -0800 11/7/06, John Richardson wrote: >There is no simple language for under the hood. If you really,. . . REALLY..., want to know what's under the hood and have time for some bedtime reading: "The Design of the UNIX Operating System" Maurice Bach, ISBN 0-13-201799-7 025, Prentice Hall, 1986. and a continuation: "The Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System McKusick. Bostic, Karels, and Quarterman, ISBN 0201549794, Addison-Weslsy 2002. The experience is well worth the time but the material requires real academic interest. I spent a month of evenings and learned a whole lot that was applicable to OS neXt. I also learned about things so far under the hood that I shall never actually get there. -- Applescript syntax is like English spelling: Roughly, though not thoroughly, thought through. From philip.robar at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 15:38:16 2006 From: philip.robar at gmail.com (Philip J Robar) Date: Tue Nov 7 15:38:27 2006 Subject: [X4U] OSX under the hood info please. In-Reply-To: References: <007b01c7029f$24cdef40$3a643180@doc> Message-ID: <34F42496-534B-4667-A171-7DEA1A193179@gmail.com> On Nov 7, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: > If you really,. . . REALLY..., want to know what's under the hood > a