________________________________________ From: John F. Richardson [mailto:richards at spawar.navy.mil] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:30 PM To: 'A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user.' Subject: RE: [X4U] Trojan horse on the Mac? Hello Bob, Lots of explanations on the list. Ill discuss your churchs options .. 1) =======Note the following ==================== Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) Show his list response to your church friends. You can also print out all the others. Use his Guruness as evidence that Macs are the best current safe system. Note to List: Appologies to the other Gurus!!!! There are lots of them. Also note that this post is to the list because I could not figure out how to get Bobs original address. The list hid it!!! Im also using Outlook on a PC to answer and I used to be able to reveal the entire mail header, which was useful for investigating the source of spam and phishing. The MS Office help function is confusing most of the time and has defeated me! Actually, the list taking over management of replies could be a security feature. THIS IS A GREAT LIST! LETS HAVE AN X4U PARTY AT MACWORLD SF 2007. 2) Zip up the emails (Singers and the others) and send to the ISP. The inclusion of the Mac is a dead giveaway that they need to investigate further and tighten up THEIR (the ISPs) server standard operating procedures. 3) Consider another ISP if they do not respond in a satisfactory manner. Note: If this is the only ISP in your area. Oh well 4) Get an antivirus program for the Mac. I know that the probability of infection is very low and close to 0.0000000000000000001. So, you can take a deep breath and take your time to investigate the various products. Note that running a scan on a Mac and sending a screenshot of a clean scan result can allow you to confront an ISP (or AOL or Yahoo or ) customer service rep with proof that will help get your account or connection restored to normal operation. A clean scan of the PCs (NAV) can also help. Bottom line. Your church needs to rethink its connection strategy. Keep the zip file in a handy place in case this happens again. John F. Richardson ________________________________________ From: x4u-bounces at listserver.themacintoshguy.com [mailto:x4u-bounces at listserver.themacintoshguy.com] On Behalf Of Bob Aldridge Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:48 PM To: x4u at listserver.themacintoshguy.com Subject: [X4U] Trojan horse on the Mac? This question deals with a Trojan horse on the Mac and anti-virus software. I have a situation Im at a loss to understand and could use some help from someone who may have encountered it before. I have installed some Macs at my churchs office. They have both Macs and PCs for now. The local cable company that supplies the internet access stopped the outgoing mail because they said four of the machines (3 PCs and 1 Mac) were infected with something that is sending out msgs. They named the offending PCs by e-mail, including the Mac. Only one of the PCs is the big problem, apparently sending out a msg every 3 seconds, and the other two PCs and one Mac were only sending a few msgs. Sounds like a Trojan horse installed itself on the PCs and is causing the big problem. Norton Anti-virus was up to date and did not catch it. Ill figure out how to clean the PC but Ive never heard of a Mac getting the same thing that infected a PC. And what do I run to clean the Mac? I didnt buy any Mac anti-virus because I didnt think Macs would get Trojan horses. My questions are: Is the cable company correct? Did the same Trojan horse infect the Mac & the PCs? And if so, how do I clean the Mac of the Trojan horse. If you have a suggestion to how to clean the PC Ill take it too. Norton Anti-virus did not detect it. Thanks, --Bob Aldridge Huntsville, AL