From meged at earthlink.net Thu Feb 1 08:34:00 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Thu Feb 1 08:34:05 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/20/07 5:44 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > One thing that nobody has mentioned is the hard drive in the G5 is > going to be an SATA drive. I hope the firewire enclosure supports > SATA and isn't ATA. I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have a bare 80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. Anyone have any recommendations? -- Eddie Hargreaves From wayne at troutnc.com Thu Feb 1 08:43:13 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Thu Feb 1 08:43:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F4FE5C8-5CA3-4A86-B42A-C37652A6E31E@troutnc.com> I believe you may have to/want to pursue an eSATA card and enclosure. I looked into the same thing a while back and came to that conclusion. If things have changed, I'm certainly interested. On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > On 1/20/07 5:44 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > >> One thing that nobody has mentioned is the hard drive in the G5 is >> going to be an SATA drive. I hope the firewire enclosure supports >> SATA and isn't ATA. > > I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have > a bare > 80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. > Anyone have > any recommendations? > > -- > Eddie Hargreaves > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > Regards, Wayne Clodfelter wayne@troutnc.com From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Thu Feb 1 08:46:34 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Thu Feb 1 08:46:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks Message-ID: For who's interested: Paul Moortgat From netkat at comcast.net Thu Feb 1 08:54:45 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Thu Feb 1 08:54:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] mail.app "loses" password Message-ID: <1d537b004f3be2cd50da7e86f47191d4@comcast.net> it happens to me at least once/week, to one or more of my accounts: I'll see a password dialogue box, and that account goes gray. mail.app tells me it doesn't have the password, or has the wrong password, etc. quitting mail.app usually fixes the problem, but why does this arise in the first place? nk From meged at earthlink.net Thu Feb 1 08:59:34 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:00:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <5F4FE5C8-5CA3-4A86-B42A-C37652A6E31E@troutnc.com> Message-ID: A card for an iMac? I'm thinking that's not possible. On 2/1/07 8:43 AM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > I believe you may have to/want to pursue an eSATA card and enclosure. > I looked into the same thing a while back and came to that > conclusion. If things have changed, I'm certainly interested. > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:34 AM, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: >> >> I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have a bare >> 80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. Anyone have >> any recommendations? From tabdave at ca.rr.com Thu Feb 1 09:01:45 2007 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:02:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT-statistics of most common football scores Message-ID: <0ED743AB-1DF6-424B-A8E1-640980573E9C@ca.rr.com> Hello Everyone, I know this is WAY off topic, but... Since a lot of us are probably in Football pools for the game this sunday, I was wondering if anyone knows anywhere on the web I can get statistics or calculations of the most common scores (more specifically, the last digit of a score) for pro football games. This is of course to get an idea of my chances for winning with the numbers I have in the pool. I assume that after about 30 points there is some much variation that all numbers are pretty common, but below 30 points I would think that certain last digit numbers are more common than others. Anyone? David From wayne at troutnc.com Thu Feb 1 09:05:14 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:05:19 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8409A13E-1B9E-40C9-B53A-F1F1E5F224C6@troutnc.com> oops, sorry, that's why I don't like iMacs. On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > A card for an iMac? I'm thinking that's not possible. Regards, Wayne Clodfelter wayne@troutnc.com From kirkmc at mac.com Thu Feb 1 09:05:53 2007 From: kirkmc at mac.com (Kirk McElhearn) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:06:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] mail.app "loses" password In-Reply-To: <1d537b004f3be2cd50da7e86f47191d4@comcast.net> References: <1d537b004f3be2cd50da7e86f47191d4@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Feb 1, 2007, at 5:54 PM, nk wrote: > it happens to me at least once/week, to one or more of my accounts: > I'll see a password dialogue box, and that account goes gray. > mail.app tells me it doesn't have the password, or has the wrong > password, etc. > > quitting mail.app usually fixes the problem, but why does this > arise in the first place? In my case, I see that occasionally when one of my mail servers has a glitch. It usually rectifies a few minutes later. Kirk Author of: The Mac OS X Command Line: Unix Under the Hood http://www.mcelhearn.com/unix.html - - - - - - Read my blog: Kirkville -- http://www.mcelhearn.com Musings, Opinion and Miscellanea, on Macs, iPods and more From netkat at comcast.net Thu Feb 1 09:11:51 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:11:49 2007 Subject: [X4U] mail.app "loses" password In-Reply-To: References: <1d537b004f3be2cd50da7e86f47191d4@comcast.net> Message-ID: <945d745aef98bcb43e68d7a05eefa9a8@comcast.net> ah....so you're saying that mail.app is reporting truthfully...that the server burped, mail.app was denied, and is merely reporting back? nk On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Kirk McElhearn wrote: > In my case, I see that occasionally when one of my mail servers has a > glitch. It usually rectifies a few minutes later. > > > Kirk From kirkmc at mac.com Thu Feb 1 09:17:17 2007 From: kirkmc at mac.com (Kirk McElhearn) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:20:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] mail.app "loses" password In-Reply-To: <945d745aef98bcb43e68d7a05eefa9a8@comcast.net> References: <1d537b004f3be2cd50da7e86f47191d4@comcast.net> <945d745aef98bcb43e68d7a05eefa9a8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E63AF97-60BD-4E2E-BD9E-4E193680E365@mac.com> On Feb 1, 2007, at 6:11 PM, nk wrote: > ah....so you're saying that mail.app is reporting truthfully...that > the server burped, mail.app was denied, and is merely reporting back? That's what I see, yes. Kirk Author of: The Mac OS X Command Line: Unix Under the Hood http://www.mcelhearn.com/unix.html - - - - - - Read my blog: Kirkville -- http://www.mcelhearn.com Musings, Opinion and Miscellanea, on Macs, iPods and more From macsys at mac.com Thu Feb 1 09:25:11 2007 From: macsys at mac.com (Wayne Wilkin) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:28:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> link doesn't work! On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > For who's interested: vista> > > Paul Moortgat > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From winter at mac.com Thu Feb 1 09:19:52 2007 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:36:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] mail.app "loses" password In-Reply-To: References: <1d537b004f3be2cd50da7e86f47191d4@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Kirk McElhearn wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 5:54 PM, nk wrote: > >> it happens to me at least once/week, to one or more of my >> accounts: I'll see a password dialogue box, and that account goes >> gray. mail.app tells me it doesn't have the password, or has the >> wrong password, etc. >> >> quitting mail.app usually fixes the problem, but why does this >> arise in the first place? > > In my case, I see that occasionally when one of my mail servers has > a glitch. It usually rectifies a few minutes later. Right. Whenever the Mail app can't connect to a mail server (the server didn't respond fast enough or any of a number of reasons) you get the password dialog. I don't know why that is the case, but there's not much I can do about it (I did file a bug report). Instead of quitting Mail, I just cancel the dialog box, go to the menu Mailbox->Online Status... and tell it to take that mailbox back online. Unless there's still come kind of connection problem, that fixes it. -Mike From tnoel at mac.com Thu Feb 1 09:44:25 2007 From: tnoel at mac.com (Thomas W Noel) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:44:35 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> Message-ID: Link works fine. Check your browser. On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Wayne Wilkin wrote: > link doesn't work! > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > >> For who's interested: > vs-vista> >> >> Paul Moortgat From XPressoBean at mac.com Thu Feb 1 09:46:57 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Thu Feb 1 09:47:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> Message-ID: On 2/1/07 11:25 AM, Wayne Wilkin wrote: > link doesn't work! > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > >> For who's interested: > vista> Sure it does. Whenever you read a post, and you see that the URL runs to the next line, you may need to copy and paste the halves together. :) peace, Linda From wendy_austin at mac.com Thu Feb 1 10:02:50 2007 From: wendy_austin at mac.com (Wendy S. Austin) Date: Thu Feb 1 10:03:34 2007 Subject: [X4U] mail.app "loses" password In-Reply-To: <945d745aef98bcb43e68d7a05eefa9a8@comcast.net> References: <1d537b004f3be2cd50da7e86f47191d4@comcast.net> <945d745aef98bcb43e68d7a05eefa9a8@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mine is the same, I encounter the password problem when there is a problem on the line. Wendy On 01 Feb 2007, at 21:11, nk wrote: ah....so you're saying that mail.app is reporting truthfully...that the server burped, mail.app was denied, and is merely reporting back? nk Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin Coastal Road Pomponette via Surinam Mauritius Island tel/ans/fax: +2306257399 iChat/MSN: wendy_austin@mac.com From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Thu Feb 1 10:11:40 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Thu Feb 1 10:12:04 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> Message-ID: <2322BEB8-F372-40AA-AB28-CD9022CF22F7@pandora.be> It got it when I clicked on it. Paul Moortgat On 01 Feb 2007, at 18:25, Wayne Wilkin wrote: > link doesn't work! > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > >> For who's interested: > vs-vista> >> >> Paul Moortgat From winter at mac.com Thu Feb 1 10:28:26 2007 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Thu Feb 1 10:28:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> Message-ID: <0C028CD5-D190-47C6-9A2E-7B7303948E3C@mac.com> On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Thomas W Noel wrote: > Link works fine. Check your browser. Or your browser may be fine. I tried a couple times and the link didn't work. Waited 5 min and it worked fine. The issue could be anything from the web server to any number of links along the way. -Mike From harryhuff at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 1 09:22:46 2007 From: harryhuff at bellsouth.net (Harry Huff) Date: Thu Feb 1 10:45:03 2007 Subject: [X4U] mail.app "loses" password In-Reply-To: References: <1d537b004f3be2cd50da7e86f47191d4@comcast.net> Message-ID: <67477058-9AD8-4FFB-95E1-FFB2B0F473EE@bellsouth.net> > On Feb 1, 2007, at 5:54 PM, nk wrote: > >> it happens to me at least once/week, to one or more of my >> accounts: I'll see a password dialogue box, and that account goes >> gray. mail.app tells me it doesn't have the password, or has the >> wrong password, etc. >> >> quitting mail.app usually fixes the problem, but why does this >> arise in the first place? > > In my case, I see that occasionally when one of my mail servers has > a glitch. It usually rectifies a few minutes later. > > Kirk Yes, this seems to be Mail's standard reaction when the attempt to contact the mail server times out. Clicking cancel (as opposed to reentering the password), and then trying back later always works for me... Harry From randy at macattorney.com Thu Feb 1 11:10:27 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Thu Feb 1 11:10:53 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) Message-ID: <20070201191051.6333A85AD84@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Eddie Hargreaves said: >I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have a bare >80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. Anyone have >any recommendations? SATA to FireWire cases exist, but they aren't inexpensive: CoolGear SATA to FIREWIRE + USB 2.0 + eSATA Aluminum Hard Drive Case $110 http://www.cooldrives.com/esata-firewire-800-enclosure-case-external.html OWC Mercury Elite-AL Quad Interface eSATA, FireWire 400/800 & USB 2.0/1.1 Enclosure Kit $110 http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MEFW924AL1K/ MacPower Pleiades Super S-Combo http://www.macpower.com.tw/products/hdd3/pleiades/pd_scombo Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From macsys at mac.com Thu Feb 1 11:13:51 2007 From: macsys at mac.com (Wayne Wilkin) Date: Thu Feb 1 11:14:28 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: <0C028CD5-D190-47C6-9A2E-7B7303948E3C@mac.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <0C028CD5-D190-47C6-9A2E-7B7303948E3C@mac.com> Message-ID: <4A62F25D-BC04-4687-8131-08D7B24C025C@mac.com> Boy, I feel like I getting slammed here. I'm telling you all the first time it didn't work. When I got the first response to my email I tried it again and it did, oh well, Wayne. On Feb 1, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Michael Winter wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Thomas W Noel wrote: > >> Link works fine. Check your browser. > > Or your browser may be fine. I tried a couple times and the link > didn't work. Waited 5 min and it worked fine. The issue could be > anything from the web server to any number of links along the way. > > -Mike > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From randy at macattorney.com Thu Feb 1 11:35:54 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Thu Feb 1 11:36:20 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) Message-ID: <20070201193617.EC9D285B251@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Eddie Hargreaves said: >I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have a bare >80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. Anyone have >any recommendations? You might also be interested in this one: eSATA USB 2.0 and Firewire 400 Aluminum SATA Enclosure with LCD and FAN (No FireWire 800) $79 http://www.satagear.com/SATA-PRO-35AXC_SATA_to_Firewire.html Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From netkat at comcast.net Thu Feb 1 11:36:48 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Thu Feb 1 11:36:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: <4A62F25D-BC04-4687-8131-08D7B24C025C@mac.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <0C028CD5-D190-47C6-9A2E-7B7303948E3C@mac.com> <4A62F25D-BC04-4687-8131-08D7B24C025C@mac.com> Message-ID: <0faef26e259e1d7516c224979be9b2c6@comcast.net> OK...well, the short version of what the thread is about is that vista is a steaming pile. sorry, folks, but I got NO tolerance when the most powerful company in the universe can even make their own product better. plus which, they got where they are by forcing it on people. big deal. nk From alsan at speakeasy.net Thu Feb 1 11:41:08 2007 From: alsan at speakeasy.net (Al Grappone) Date: Thu Feb 1 11:41:24 2007 Subject: [X4U] Nuclear War Red Button In-Reply-To: <20070201021653.2611C8514D5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070201021653.2611C8514D5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <62423999-5B89-4A4C-B936-71D93B833FD0@speakeasy.net> On Jan 31, 2007, at 18:16, Randy B.Singer wrote: > Check this out! The Nuclear War Red Button USB Hub! I know what a hub is but don't understand the rest of the bells and whistles. From netkat at comcast.net Thu Feb 1 11:46:22 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Thu Feb 1 11:46:25 2007 Subject: [X4U] Nuclear War Red Button In-Reply-To: <62423999-5B89-4A4C-B936-71D93B833FD0@speakeasy.net> References: <20070201021653.2611C8514D5@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <62423999-5B89-4A4C-B936-71D93B833FD0@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: not only that, but why the nuclear war metaphor? is it because people think that nuclear war is some cool video game? IMHO, there is enough glorification of war and of warring without making things that mimic "the button." nk On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:41 AM, Al Grappone wrote: > I know what a hub is but don't understand the rest of the bells and > whistles. From winter at mac.com Thu Feb 1 11:50:48 2007 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Thu Feb 1 11:50:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: <4A62F25D-BC04-4687-8131-08D7B24C025C@mac.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <0C028CD5-D190-47C6-9A2E-7B7303948E3C@mac.com> <4A62F25D-BC04-4687-8131-08D7B24C025C@mac.com> Message-ID: <0027E9AF-8BE7-4930-97C2-FD0FA9999F40@mac.com> On Feb 1, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Wayne Wilkin wrote: > Boy, I feel like I getting slammed here. You'd think we were a bunch of Windows people -if there's a problem blame the user first! :-) -Mike From winter at mac.com Thu Feb 1 12:11:26 2007 From: winter at mac.com (Michael Winter) Date: Thu Feb 1 12:11:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: <0faef26e259e1d7516c224979be9b2c6@comcast.net> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <0C028CD5-D190-47C6-9A2E-7B7303948E3C@mac.com> <4A62F25D-BC04-4687-8131-08D7B24C025C@mac.com> <0faef26e259e1d7516c224979be9b2c6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3C964462-5EF1-46CB-B054-CA01194D92BB@mac.com> On Feb 1, 2007, at 1:36 PM, nk wrote: > OK...well, the short version of what the thread is about is that > vista is a steaming pile. > > sorry, folks, but I got NO tolerance when the most powerful company > in the universe can even make their own product better. As I've often said in defense of the Mac, when it comes to the tradeoff between making the software run fast, and making the software faster to use, always choose faster to use. IOW most of the time the slowest component of the system is the person sitting in the chair. Spending CPU cycles to make a better interface to speed up the user is a good tradeoff. Having said that, a 5-10% slowdown for a version 1 wouldn't be too bad, but there are some major slowdowns in those tests. On another note, am I the only person that hates looking through reams of benchmarks where they don't always label the X-axis? Its not always immediately obvious if the longer bar means its faster or slower. -Mike From baltwo at san.rr.com Thu Feb 1 12:52:29 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Thu Feb 1 12:52:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] Problems booting into User In-Reply-To: <20070201164327.88F40858F9C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070201164327.88F40858F9C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 01/29/07, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > > A co-worker is having a problem with his OS 10.4.8 Mac. When he > reboots, the system only goes so far then stops. Everything goes > smoothly until his blue desktop background shows up and a little icon > for Spotlight appears in the top right of the screen. The Spotlight > icon appears in a small 2cm white menu bar but the rest of the menu > bar isn't there. I did successfully boot into the login window by > holding the shift key. If I choose his account I get the same > problem, but if I choose one of the other two accounts they boot > fine. Once booted into one of the other accounts I can then > successfully switch to his account by using Fast User Switching. If > we switch to his account this way everything seems to work fine. Any > ideas what might be causing this or what I can try? Since there's no problem booting into the other accounts, then the problem's some conflict within his user account. Probably the simplest thing to do is to login into one of the other accounts (one which is an admin account), turn off FUS, delete his account, selecting the save user data option which will store his current user folder into a disk image and save it to a Deleted Users folder within Users, recreate the account using the same username/password combo, log into it, mount the saved disk image, and slowly transfer the data and settings, logging out and back in until the conflict is identified, and eventually deleting the saved image. From netkat at comcast.net Thu Feb 1 14:02:35 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Thu Feb 1 14:02:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Onyx settings to preserve file linkages Message-ID: I have recently had big problems with my 3D app (Lightwave) not being able to fully locate image maps associated with projects I'm working on. I open the file in LW, see the names of the maps there in the surface editor, but when I hit Render, those maps aren't rendered! tried a bunch of t hings like re-saving the maps to new locations in hopes that LW will "see" and use them, but doesn't help. I wonder if my using Onyx to do my weekly maintenence could have damaged the paths or linkages? I'm using Onyx version 1.7.8 b2 on a Mac with Tiger 10.4.8 loaded up. I wonder if some setting in Onyx could be the culprit? any thoughts? thank you! nk From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Thu Feb 1 14:06:50 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Thu Feb 1 14:07:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <20070201191051.6333A85AD84@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070201191051.6333A85AD84@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <2698F019-86F4-484B-8D08-9BC80400DAA9@pandora.be> See in Europe and in US. Paul Moortgat On 01 Feb 2007, at 20:10, Randy B.Singer wrote: > Eddie Hargreaves said: > >> I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have >> a bare >> 80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. >> Anyone have >> any recommendations? > > SATA to FireWire cases exist, but they aren't inexpensive: > > CoolGear SATA to FIREWIRE + USB 2.0 + eSATA Aluminum Hard Drive Case > $110 > http://www.cooldrives.com/esata-firewire-800-enclosure-case- > external.html > > > OWC Mercury Elite-AL Quad Interface eSATA, FireWire 400/800 & USB > 2.0/1.1 > Enclosure Kit > $110 > http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MEFW924AL1K/ > > > MacPower Pleiades Super S-Combo > http://www.macpower.com.tw/products/hdd3/pleiades/pd_scombo > > Randy B. Singer > > Co-Author of: > The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) > > OS X Routine Maintenance > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From lstnmt at bresnan.net Thu Feb 1 14:24:48 2007 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Thu Feb 1 14:24:55 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <2698F019-86F4-484B-8D08-9BC80400DAA9@pandora.be> References: <20070201191051.6333A85AD84@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> <2698F019-86F4-484B-8D08-9BC80400DAA9@pandora.be> Message-ID: <188BEE53-B3EB-46D6-A1A7-236892CEB3CF@bresnan.net> I really 'LOVE' web sites where you have to work hard to find out list prices. Just makes my day. ;) I wonder if these are any good? Probably won't find out personally . . . Jens Jens Selvig ...lost in Montana... lstnmt@bresnan.net On Feb 1, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Paul Moortgat wrote: > See cPath=9010&products_id=10500&> in Europe > and in US. From lists at mac.com Thu Feb 1 16:21:43 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Thu Feb 1 16:21:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> Message-ID: The link worked fine for me too, but there weren't any benchmarks on that page. A couple pages into the report, the site started to time out. Can anybody summarize the 11 pages? Is Vista faster (when you turn off the new fancy stuff) than XP? Is it slower than XP when you enable all that stuff? On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Thomas W Noel wrote: > Link works fine. Check your browser. > On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Wayne Wilkin wrote: > >> link doesn't work! >> >> On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: >> >>> For who's interested: >> vs-vista> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070201/d9ba69f5/attachment.html From randy at macattorney.com Thu Feb 1 17:20:51 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Thu Feb 1 17:21:26 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) Message-ID: <20070202012119.6E85F85EB38@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Jens Selvig said: >I really 'LOVE' web sites where you have to work hard to find out >list prices. Just makes my day. ;) > >I wonder if these are any good? Probably won't find out personally . . . The case that Paul gave links for is an external SATA case. That is, it doesn't have a FireWire interface, only an SATA interface. No current Mac comes with an external SATA interface. Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From lists at mac.com Thu Feb 1 17:42:48 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Thu Feb 1 17:43:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <20070202012119.6E85F85EB38@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070202012119.6E85F85EB38@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <268030F4-384A-4EEE-8B93-F06FD41ECF55@mac.com> That's a good point. I think I read in the past couple days about a new product that provides a USB 2 adapter for using these internal drives externally. Did you catch anything like that in the computer press this week? On Feb 1, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Randy B.Singer wrote: > The case that Paul gave links for is an external SATA case. That > is, it > doesn't have a FireWire interface, only an SATA interface. No current > Mac comes with an external SATA interface. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070201/00766bd0/attachment.html From meged at earthlink.net Thu Feb 1 17:52:23 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Thu Feb 1 17:52:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <268030F4-384A-4EEE-8B93-F06FD41ECF55@mac.com> Message-ID: I have a USB 2.0 Universal Drive Adapter from NewerTech. It was incredibly useful (and quite necessary) when I replaced my iMac's internal HD. But this is designed to be used as a temporary solution. There is no enclosure to protect the bare drive from electrostatic discharge, etc. http://newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php On 2/1/07 5:42 PM, Neil wrote: > That's a good point.? I think I read in the past couple days about a new > product that provides a USB 2 adapter for using these internal drives > externally.? Did you catch anything like that in the computer press this week? From tnoel at mac.com Thu Feb 1 19:13:37 2007 From: tnoel at mac.com (Thomas W Noel) Date: Thu Feb 1 19:13:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> Message-ID: On Feb 1, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Neil wrote: > The link worked fine for me too, but there weren't any benchmarks > on that page. A couple pages into the report, the site started to > time out. Can anybody summarize the 11 pages? Is Vista faster > (when you turn off the new fancy stuff) than XP? Is it slower than > XP when you enable all that stuff? Synopsis is that Aero interface has little impact on performance (about 1 watt power draw increase with all effects active, nothing compared to a real challenge like rendering for a graphics card). Overall 15-20% decrease in speed. Mostly because of all the services running in background. No new version of Windows has EVER run faster on the same hardware than it's predecessor. Some applications had a much worse hit -- test before you leap if you make a living doing intensive computation. Huge decrement for apps and games that depend on the OpenGL framework, as you would expect. From jessup at san.rr.com Thu Feb 1 19:30:13 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Thu Feb 1 19:30:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:34 AM -0800 1/2/07, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: >On 1/20/07 5:44 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > >> One thing that nobody has mentioned is the hard drive in the G5 is >> going to be an SATA drive. I hope the firewire enclosure supports >> SATA and isn't ATA. > >I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have a bare >80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. Anyone have >any recommendations? I've been very happy (as I've said before and it hasn't changed) with my TrayDock from WiebeTech. I can use both ATA and SATA drives in the same Dock (just have to buy different trays for different kinds of drive). When you buy the TrayDock it comes with one tray, and you can choose whether it is ATA or SATA. Later, if you want to have access to another kind of drive, you can buy a tray for that kind and put it in the same Dock. Daly ---------------------- From jessup at san.rr.com Thu Feb 1 19:36:19 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Thu Feb 1 19:36:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <20070201191051.6333A85AD84@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > References: <20070201191051.6333A85AD84@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Message-ID: At 11:10 AM -0800 1/2/07, Randy B.Singer wrote: >Eddie Hargreaves said: > >>I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have a bare >>80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. Anyone have >>any recommendations? > >SATA to FireWire cases exist, but they aren't inexpensive: I repeat my frequent recommendation of the wiebetech TrayDock, where you can choose the trays you want, ATA or SATA, but th dock connects to the computer by USB or Firewire. Really a great deal. Daly ---------------------- From nanc at spoolman.com Thu Feb 1 20:09:40 2007 From: nanc at spoolman.com (Nancy L Spoolman) Date: Thu Feb 1 20:10:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: <20070201191051.6333A85AD84@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > Message-ID: <09315729-AC7B-499D-B5FF-62D194A1D26F@spoolman.com> I bought my case for the 160 GB drive I pulled from the G5 at Other World Computing. I am thrilled with it. Nanc On Feb 1, 2007, at 8:36 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 11:10 AM -0800 1/2/07, Randy B.Singer wrote: >> Eddie Hargreaves said: >> >>> I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now >>> have a bare >>> 80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. >>> Anyone have >>> any recommendations? >> >> SATA to FireWire cases exist, but they aren't inexpensive: > > I repeat my frequent recommendation of the wiebetech TrayDock, > where you can choose the trays you want, ATA or SATA, but th dock > connects to the computer by USB or Firewire. Really a great deal. > > Daly > ---------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From mark at astroprinting.com Fri Feb 2 05:10:32 2007 From: mark at astroprinting.com (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Fri Feb 2 05:14:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] Problems booting into User In-Reply-To: References: <20070201164327.88F40858F9C@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <83509B3E-4072-48E9-9772-8E915AD6794B@astroprinting.com> On 1-Feb-07, at 3:52 PM, John Baltutis wrote: > On 01/29/07, Mark Des Cotes wrote: >> >> A co-worker is having a problem with his OS 10.4.8 Mac. When he >> reboots, the system only goes so far then stops. Everything goes >> smoothly until his blue desktop background shows up and a little icon >> for Spotlight appears in the top right of the screen. The Spotlight >> icon appears in a small 2cm white menu bar but the rest of the menu >> bar isn't there. I did successfully boot into the login window by >> holding the shift key. If I choose his account I get the same >> problem, but if I choose one of the other two accounts they boot >> fine. Once booted into one of the other accounts I can then >> successfully switch to his account by using Fast User Switching. If >> we switch to his account this way everything seems to work fine. Any >> ideas what might be causing this or what I can try? > > Since there's no problem booting into the other accounts, then the > problem's > some conflict within his user account. Probably the simplest thing > to do is to > login into one of the other accounts (one which is an admin > account), turn off > FUS, delete his account, selecting the save user data option which > will store > his current user folder into a disk image and save it to a Deleted > Users folder > within Users, recreate the account using the same username/password > combo, log > into it, mount the saved disk image, and slowly transfer the data > and settings, > logging out and back in until the conflict is identified, and > eventually > deleting the saved image. > Thanks John, I'll give that a try. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Fri Feb 2 07:36:10 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Fri Feb 2 07:37:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have one of these, too! It has become quite my best friend the last week or two (although this is obviously because I spend quite a bit of time backing up data from customers' drives). When I first saw these advertised they were twice the price but now - thanks, no doubt, to the wonders of Chinese manufacturing - they seem to be packaged by many different "brands" and mine was packaged in a plain brown box, rather than that NewerTech one shown. UK prices are never as reasonable as US ones, but I found this acceptable: Stroller. On 2 Feb 2007, at 01:52, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > I have a USB 2.0 Universal Drive Adapter from NewerTech. It was > incredibly > useful (and quite necessary) when I replaced my iMac's internal HD. > But this > is designed to be used as a temporary solution. There is no > enclosure to > protect the bare drive from electrostatic discharge, etc. > > http://newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php From macmonster at myrealbox.com Fri Feb 2 07:37:24 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Fri Feb 2 07:37:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> Message-ID: <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> On 2 Feb 2007, at 03:13, Thomas W Noel wrote: > ... > Synopsis is ... Huge decrement for apps and games that depend on > the OpenGL framework ... I read this as "pending driver updates from ATi & nVidia". Stroller. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Fri Feb 2 08:29:33 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Fri Feb 2 08:29:55 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: <3C964462-5EF1-46CB-B054-CA01194D92BB@mac.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <0C028CD5-D190-47C6-9A2E-7B7303948E3C@mac.com> <4A62F25D-BC04-4687-8131-08D7B24C025C@mac.com> <0faef26e259e1d7516c224979be9b2c6@comcast.net> <3C964462-5EF1-46CB-B054-CA01194D92BB@mac.com> Message-ID: <784A21D2-F368-42F1-A46F-FA19E88988D8@myrealbox.com> On 1 Feb 2007, at 20:11, Michael Winter wrote: > On Feb 1, 2007, at 1:36 PM, nk wrote: > >> OK...well, the short version of what the thread is about is that >> vista is a steaming pile. >> >> sorry, folks, but I got NO tolerance when the most powerful >> company in the universe can even make their own product better. > > As I've often said in defense of the Mac, when it comes to the > tradeoff between making the software run fast, and making the > software faster to use, always choose faster to use. IOW most of > the time the slowest component of the system is the person sitting > in the chair. Spending CPU cycles to make a better interface to > speed up the user is a good tradeoff. Indeed. nk must have read a different article to the one I did, as the one I saw opened with "we are sure that mainstream users will appreciate the improved usability of Windows Vista, and the average office/multimedia user will likely never notice the lack of OpenGL." I work with Windows every day and I choose to use Mac at home. I think that very clearly indicates which platform I prefer, but a "steaming pile" seems to me to be quite an unfair assessment of any modern operating system. Someone at a party last weekend remarked that "you have to understand they're all crap [Linux, Windows, Mac OS] but that some are less crap than others and then you have a place to start from" but I think that's pretty unfair, too. Personally, if I sit down at a fresh install of Windows XP and a fresh install of OS X I find little to choose between them - Windows DOES have failings compared to Mac OS, but OS X isn't without its weaknesses, either. Windows' chief shortcomings are related to the drivers of the zillions of different hardware components available for it and to the amount of crapware that the average user installs - if you discount these (and that pretty much is possible in the real world) then XP doesn't do so badly. I love Expose and I think that Time Machine - apart from its nauseating visuals - looks wonderful, but the Linux-based Beagle looks like it cocks its leg at Spotlight. I don't believe that Vista is so new & "innovative" as Microsoft might claim, but I love the way it can use a USB flash drive as swap (and that it's clever enough to reject flash drives that aren't fast enough to improve performance, and only swap things to the flash drive that are suitable for that, swapping to h/d when a hard-disk's read/write/access speeds would be more appropriate). Fair enough, describe your car as a "steaming pile" when it has broken down on you that day - I don't like Microsoft's business practices, either, and I do object to the way that our schools tie themselves into expensive licensing fees for a platform that offers them no real benefits, but I read "NO tolerance" and those words just seem angry to me, too much so to take the comments at face value or find them helpful to a constructive conversation. Stroller. From healyzh at aracnet.com Fri Feb 2 08:49:09 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Fri Feb 2 08:49:16 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've theorized these used in combination as a backup device. Hook it up long enough to backup your hard drive, and then carefully put the drive back into its packaging. Obviously it would work best if you're familiar with ESD protection, but then I've one computer that doesn't even have a case and I jumpstart with a screwdriver. A word of warning however, not all of these will work as well as you might like. I bought one for just IDE drives (it doesn't include SATA support) at Fry's a few months ago, it doesn't like most of my drives (I think it's the Western Digital drives it has issues with). However, the power supply works great for running one of the drives in my Wiebetech enclosure (which has a dead powersupply, thanks, no doubt, to the wonders of Chinese manufacturing). Zane At 3:36 PM +0000 2/2/07, Stroller wrote: >I have one of these, too! > >It has become quite my best friend the last week or two (although >this is obviously because I spend quite a bit of time backing up >data from customers' drives). > >When I first saw these advertised they were twice the price but now >- thanks, no doubt, to the wonders of Chinese manufacturing - they >seem to be packaged by many different "brands" and mine was packaged >in a plain brown box, rather than that NewerTech one shown. > >UK prices are never as reasonable as US ones, but I found this acceptable: > > >Stroller. > > > >On 2 Feb 2007, at 01:52, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > >>I have a USB 2.0 Universal Drive Adapter from NewerTech. It was incredibly >>useful (and quite necessary) when I replaced my iMac's internal HD. But this >>is designed to be used as a temporary solution. There is no enclosure to >>protect the bare drive from electrostatic discharge, etc. >> >>http://newertech.com/products/usb2_adapt.php > >_______________________________________________ >X4U mailing list >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From netkat at comcast.net Fri Feb 2 08:54:29 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Fri Feb 2 08:54:44 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: <784A21D2-F368-42F1-A46F-FA19E88988D8@myrealbox.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <0C028CD5-D190-47C6-9A2E-7B7303948E3C@mac.com> <4A62F25D-BC04-4687-8131-08D7B24C025C@mac.com> <0faef26e259e1d7516c224979be9b2c6@comcast.net> <3C964462-5EF1-46CB-B054-CA01194D92BB@mac.com> <784A21D2-F368-42F1-A46F-FA19E88988D8@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: you're right. they ARE angry. I have no fondness for predatory companies. I have no respect for them, and, no matter how many people like and use their products for whatever reason, I have nothing but contempt for them. your response seems to suggest an understanding why I might feel this way, and yeah, it is their business practices. to me, it's kinda like saying "Yeah, they squash innovation and step on everybody's neck, but gol durn it, cut 'em a break!" Also, when I consider the sheer financial might they have to bear on a project, the control they have, the way the table is tilted almost entirely in their favor, no, I don't respect the products they finally do release. contrast, for example, with open source offerings. there's almost no money involved, yet open source authors consistsently knock it out of the park. I feel that you are spot-on with your assessment of my tone, and I stand by it. nk On Feb 2, 2007, at 8:29 AM, Stroller wrote: > I don't like Microsoft's business practices, either, and I do object > to the way that our schools tie themselves into expensive licensing > fees for a platform that offers them no real benefits, but I read "NO > tolerance" and those words just seem angry to me, too much so to take > the comments at face value or find them helpful to a constructive > conversation. > > Stroller. From Robert at Ameeti.net Fri Feb 2 11:22:32 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Fri Feb 2 11:23:26 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: At 3:37 PM +0000, 2/2/07, Stroller wrote: >On 2 Feb 2007, at 03:13, Thomas W Noel wrote: >>... >>Synopsis is ... Huge decrement for apps and games that depend on >>the OpenGL framework ... > >I read this as "pending driver updates from ATi & nVidia". The problem is the overhead that MS has mandated to ensure copy protection for HD that all hardware mfgs must incur including the graphics cards guys. See for why Vista is slower than XP. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti I hate it when my foot falls asleep during the day because that means it's going to be up all night. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From meged at earthlink.net Fri Feb 2 11:26:14 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Fri Feb 2 11:26:24 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 2/1/07 7:36 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 11:10 AM -0800 1/2/07, Randy B.Singer wrote: >> Eddie Hargreaves said: >> >>> I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have a bare >>> 80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. Anyone have >>> any recommendations? >> >> SATA to FireWire cases exist, but they aren't inexpensive: > > I repeat my frequent recommendation of the wiebetech TrayDock, where > you can choose the trays you want, ATA or SATA, but th dock connects > to the computer by USB or Firewire. Really a great deal. Wow, Randy, you are right. No inexpensive solution. From randy at macattorney.com Fri Feb 2 12:23:06 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Fri Feb 2 12:23:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) Message-ID: <20070202202341.4908986ADD4@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Eddie Hargreaves said: >Wow, Randy, you are right. No inexpensive solution. I'm not sure why they are so expensive. I note that all of the SATA to FireWire cases available are multi-interface cases, which logically increases the price of the case to some extent. But I wouldn't expect them to be as expensive as they are. If I come across an inexpensive SATA to FW case, I'll be sure to pass it along. Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From randy at macattorney.com Fri Feb 2 12:40:42 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Fri Feb 2 12:41:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) Message-ID: <20070202204110.AC89386B208@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Eddie Hargreaves said: >Wow, Randy, you are right. No inexpensive solution. Note that if you have USB 2.0, you can get a very reasonably priced SATA to USB 2.0 case: SABRENT 3.5" SERIAL ATA TO USB 2.0 ALUMINUM HARD DRIVE EXTERNAL ENCLOSURE $27 http://www.pcmicrostore.com/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:10504028;c:36232 Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From keith_w at dslextreme.com Fri Feb 2 13:09:07 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Fri Feb 2 13:09:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <20070202204110.AC89386B208@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070202204110.AC89386B208@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <45C3A873.9040608@dslextreme.com> Randy B.Singer wrote: > Eddie Hargreaves said: > >> Wow, Randy, you are right. No inexpensive solution. > Note that if you have USB 2.0, you can get a very reasonably priced SATA > to USB 2.0 case: > > > SABRENT 3.5" SERIAL ATA TO USB 2.0 ALUMINUM HARD DRIVE EXTERNAL ENCLOSURE > $27 > http://www.pcmicrostore.com/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:10504028;c:36232 > > > Randy B. Singer Hi Randy. Everything I've read in the past 6 months or so has led me to believe that no-ne really has a working CPU that has USB 2.0 in it! What's the truth, please? keith whaley From meged at earthlink.net Fri Feb 2 13:44:43 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Fri Feb 2 13:54:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <45C3A873.9040608@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: On 2/2/07 1:09 PM, keith_w wrote: > Everything I've read in the past 6 months or so has led me to believe > that no-ne really has a working CPU that has USB 2.0 in it! > What's the truth, please? I'm really unclear what you mean. Both my PowerPC Macs (with working CPUs) have USB 2.0 ports. -- Eddie Hargreaves From randy at macattorney.com Fri Feb 2 13:57:15 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Fri Feb 2 13:57:48 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) Message-ID: <20070202215744.1ED6B86BBDA@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> keith_w said: >Everything I've read in the past 6 months or so has led me to believe >that no-ne really has a working CPU that has USB 2.0 in it! >What's the truth, please? Umm...I don't know what you are referring to. USB 2.0 most certainly works. I just used it to transfer some files from a flash drive a few minutes ago, and it is much faster than USB 1.1. USB 2.0 isn't as fast as FireWire (not even FW400), but it is plenty fast for an external hard drive. http://www.barefeats.com/usb2.html http://www.usb-ware.com/firewire-vs-usb.htm Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From keith_w at dslextreme.com Fri Feb 2 14:00:19 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Fri Feb 2 14:00:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C3B473.3090409@dslextreme.com> Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > On 2/2/07 1:09 PM, keith_w wrote: > >> Everything I've read in the past 6 months or so has led me to believe >> that no-ne really has a working CPU that has USB 2.0 in it! >> What's the truth, please? > I'm really unclear what you mean. Both my PowerPC Macs (with working CPUs) > have USB 2.0 ports. Well, I AM behind one version. I'm working with a MDD G4 Tower, which has only v.1.1 USB ports. What sort of CPUs are you running? keith From meged at earthlink.net Fri Feb 2 14:17:11 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Fri Feb 2 14:17:16 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <45C3B473.3090409@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: On 2/2/07 2:00 PM, keith_w wrote: > Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > >> I'm really unclear what you mean. Both my PowerPC Macs (with working CPUs) >> have USB 2.0 ports. > > Well, I AM behind one version. > I'm working with a MDD G4 Tower, which has only v.1.1 USB ports. Actually, you're behind a couple of versions, as those models are 4+ years old. > What sort of CPUs are you running? I have a G5 iMac from September 2004 and a G4 iBook from mid-2005. -- Eddie Hargreaves From meged at earthlink.net Fri Feb 2 14:18:50 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Fri Feb 2 14:19:01 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <20070202204110.AC89386B208@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 2/2/07 12:40 PM, Randy B.Singer wrote: > Note that if you have USB 2.0, you can get a very reasonably priced SATA > to USB 2.0 case: > > SABRENT 3.5" SERIAL ATA TO USB 2.0 ALUMINUM HARD DRIVE EXTERNAL ENCLOSURE $27 Yes, that is a very reasonable price! Thank you! From cubeistaner at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 14:53:13 2007 From: cubeistaner at gmail.com (Cubeistan) Date: Fri Feb 2 14:53:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] Need Script Editing Advice Message-ID: <20070202225313.1886920636@smtp.gmail.com> I saw on Daring Fireball the script below that does a word count in conjunction with ThisService, and want to edit it, so it counts characters. Can anyone tell me what to edit/substitute? Thanks in advance! on process(_str) tell application "System Events" set _appname to name of first process whose frontmost is true end tell tell application _appname display alert "Word count: " & (count words of _str) end tell end process From neil at laubenthal.net Fri Feb 2 15:25:56 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Fri Feb 2 15:26:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OWC (www.macsales.com) has one. On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:34, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > On 1/20/07 5:44 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > >> One thing that nobody has mentioned is the hard drive in the G5 is >> going to be an SATA drive. I hope the firewire enclosure supports >> SATA and isn't ATA. > > I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have > a bare > 80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. > Anyone have > any recommendations? > > -- > Eddie Hargreaves > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From neil at laubenthal.net Fri Feb 2 15:37:12 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Fri Feb 2 15:37:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> Message-ID: <9A7CF8F3-A726-4F98-B97F-2E3A471D9255@laubenthal.net> The summary is that Vista is slower than XP, even with all the fancy stuff turned off. Nonetheless, the author suggested upgrading because it was so much more stable and nice looking, unless you absolutely needed the fastest application performance possible. On Feb 1, 2007, at 19:21, Neil wrote: > The link worked fine for me too, but there weren't any benchmarks > on that page. A couple pages into the report, the site started to > time out. Can anybody summarize the 11 pages? Is Vista faster > (when you turn off the new fancy stuff) than XP? Is it slower than > XP when you enable all that stuff? > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Thomas W Noel wrote: > >> Link works fine. Check your browser. >> On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Wayne Wilkin wrote: >> >>> link doesn't work! >>> >>> On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Paul Moortgat wrote: >>> >>>> For who's interested: >>> vs-vista> > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From meged at earthlink.net Fri Feb 2 17:13:40 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Fri Feb 2 17:14:15 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can you provide a direct link? OWC is the first place I checked and I could only find enclosures for 2.5" SATA drives or multi-drive enclosures. On 2/2/07 3:25 PM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > OWC (www.macsales.com) has one. > > On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:34, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > >> I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now have a bare >> 80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. Anyone have >> any recommendations? From nanc at spoolman.com Fri Feb 2 18:24:35 2007 From: nanc at spoolman.com (Nancy L Spoolman) Date: Fri Feb 2 18:24:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is the one I got for mine. Nanc http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MEFW924AL1K/ On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > Can you provide a direct link? OWC is the first place I checked and > I could > only find enclosures for 2.5" SATA drives or multi-drive enclosures. > > On 2/2/07 3:25 PM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > >> OWC (www.macsales.com) has one. >> >> On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:34, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: >> >>> I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now >>> have a bare >>> 80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. >>> Anyone have >>> any recommendations? > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From wayne at troutnc.com Fri Feb 2 20:02:18 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Fri Feb 2 20:02:30 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2071ADB0-27E4-4D59-9D7F-E440297012A6@troutnc.com> I think he may be alluding to fact that USB 2.0 drives cannot be used as boot drives. On Feb 2, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > On 2/2/07 1:09 PM, keith_w wrote: > >> Everything I've read in the past 6 months or so has led me to believe >> that no-ne really has a working CPU that has USB 2.0 in it! >> What's the truth, please? > > I'm really unclear what you mean. Both my PowerPC Macs (with > working CPUs) > have USB 2.0 ports. > > -- > Eddie Hargreaves > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > Regards, Wayne Clodfelter wayne@troutnc.com From timjcollier at mac.com Sat Feb 3 01:33:47 2007 From: timjcollier at mac.com (Tim Collier) Date: Sat Feb 3 01:34:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <2071ADB0-27E4-4D59-9D7F-E440297012A6@troutnc.com> References: <2071ADB0-27E4-4D59-9D7F-E440297012A6@troutnc.com> Message-ID: <19C3D3C6-499A-4EC4-AABC-B0DBF3D7DC0A@mac.com> On Feb 2, 2007, at 11:02 PM, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: > I think he may be alluding to fact that USB 2.0 drives cannot be > used as boot drives. > > On Feb 2, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > >> On 2/2/07 1:09 PM, keith_w wrote: >> >>> Everything I've read in the past 6 months or so has led me to >>> believe >>> that no-ne really has a working CPU that has USB 2.0 in it! >>> What's the truth, please? >> >> I'm really unclear what you mean. Both my PowerPC Macs (with >> working CPUs) >> have USB 2.0 ports. >> >> -- >> Eddie Hargreaves I live in an area of the country where English is not the primary language spoken by much of the population (Miami). For quite a few, English can be a very difficult language to communicate in verbally, let alone in written form. Especially consider if English is not your primary language and you are trying to communicate in non-familiar technical terms. This may very well be the case with the original poster. See below, my sig file. It's Spanish, but you really have to understand the language to interpret it correctly. Anybody have an idea what it says? Or means? Tim -- Tengo un manojo encantador de cocos. From neil at laubenthal.net Sat Feb 3 07:00:49 2007 From: neil at laubenthal.net (Neil Laubenthal) Date: Sat Feb 3 07:01:01 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MEFW924AL1K/ This is an eSATA, FW, and USB case for 3.5 SATA drives . . .$110. On Feb 2, 2007, at 20:13, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: > Can you provide a direct link? OWC is the first place I checked and > I could > only find enclosures for 2.5" SATA drives or multi-drive enclosures. > > On 2/2/07 3:25 PM, Neil Laubenthal wrote: > >> OWC (www.macsales.com) has one. >> >> On Feb 1, 2007, at 11:34, Eddie Hargreaves wrote: >> >>> I replaced the SATA drive in my household's iMac G5, so I now >>> have a bare >>> 80GB SATA drive that I'd like to put in a FireWire enclosure. >>> Anyone have >>> any recommendations? > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From lists at mac.com Sat Feb 3 07:03:50 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sat Feb 3 07:04:04 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <19C3D3C6-499A-4EC4-AABC-B0DBF3D7DC0A@mac.com> References: <2071ADB0-27E4-4D59-9D7F-E440297012A6@troutnc.com> <19C3D3C6-499A-4EC4-AABC-B0DBF3D7DC0A@mac.com> Message-ID: <2AB53606-F201-4BC1-B9EF-6ACE74036D9D@mac.com> You have a lovely bunch of coconuts? Manojo sounds like a handful. I live in Miami too. I know another member of this list who lives near Hialeah. On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:33 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > Tengo un manojo encantador de cocos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070203/db004188/attachment.html From shemoves at mac.com Sat Feb 3 07:16:31 2007 From: shemoves at mac.com (karen spitzer) Date: Sat Feb 3 07:17:04 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <19C3D3C6-499A-4EC4-AABC-B0DBF3D7DC0A@mac.com> Message-ID: I have a charming coconut handful According to Babel Fish Translation page here: http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr On 2/3/07 2:33 AM, "Tim Collier" wrote: > See below, my sig file. It's Spanish, but you really have to > understand the language to interpret it correctly. Anybody have an > idea what it says? Or means? > > Tim > > > -- > Tengo un manojo encantador de cocos. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sat Feb 3 07:40:54 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sat Feb 3 07:41:05 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks [A] In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On 2 Feb 2007, at 19:22, Robert Ameeti wrote: > At 3:37 PM +0000, 2/2/07, Stroller wrote: > >> On 2 Feb 2007, at 03:13, Thomas W Noel wrote: >>> ... >>> Synopsis is ... Huge decrement for apps and games that depend on >>> the OpenGL framework ... >> >> I read this as "pending driver updates from ATi & nVidia". > > The problem is the overhead that MS has mandated to ensure copy > protection for HD that all hardware mfgs must incur including the > graphics cards guys. OpenGL has nothing to do with content protection - as I read the article Microsoft has dropped support for this library in Vista, in favour of their own (proprietary) DirectX. "There are some programs that showed deeply disappointing performance. Unreal Tournament 2004 and the professional graphics benchmarking suite SPECviewperf 9.03 suffered heavily from the lack of support for the OpenGL graphics library under Windows Vista. This is something we expected, and we clearly advise against replacing Windows XP with Windows Vista if you need to run professional graphics applications. Both ATI and Nvidia will offer OpenGL support in upcoming driver releases, but it remains to be seen if and how other graphics vendors or Microsoft may offer it." Stroller. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sat Feb 3 07:46:18 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sat Feb 3 07:46:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks [B] In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <0C70722F-0FC8-4C35-8AEB-4A7DB94A5C4C@myrealbox.com> On 2 Feb 2007, at 19:22, Robert Ameeti wrote: > > The problem is the overhead that MS has mandated to ensure copy > protection for HD that all hardware mfgs must incur including the > graphics cards guys. > > See > for why Vista is slower than XP. I've seen that article lauded a number of times on all the usual blog- aggregation sites, but haven't found it terribly useful. In particular, the Tom's Hardware article (that the OP of this thread linked to) benchmarks with standard stuff like 3 year old games (Unreal 2004), for which useful comparisons between Vista & XP can be made. I haven't read the _entire_ article, but I don't think any of the applications benchmarked are ?premium content? utilising the DRM chain described in the Auckland "cost analysis". Rather, Tom's Hardware explain Vista's poorer performance as being because "[it] runs considerably more services and thus has to spend somewhat more resources on itself. Indexing, connectivity and usability don't come for free." The Auckland article reads to me like the author (Peter Gutmann) is basically a Microsoft-hater. And, y'know, I can't blame him for that, but to me it doesn't help his case that he appears so partisan. In the quotes at the bottom of the article Gutman posts that a friend of his described the article as "your latest girly moan bitch rant" ;) At least he admits it ;). I don't like DRM, I find it creeping and insidious, and I have no plans to buy Vista, but basically the people who end up with DRM don't care enough to research their purchases before buying from the iTunes store (or Amazon downloads, or Xbox360's movie service, or the BluRay section at Virgin Records or wherever). It had been documented long before the Auckland article that Vista would have a DRM chain, and would do a digital-signing handshake with your monitor before allowing hi-def content to be played back. Well, duh! it's gonna cost me money to upgrade to a monitor with HDCP!, and this'll be especially frustrating if you've recently bought a monitor with a DVI interface. This isn't unique to Vista - in the UK plenty of consumers have found themselves frustrated because they bought "hi- def ready" TV sets from high street stores in the months before the standards authority defined that phrase as meaning "this TV includes a HDCP interface and a minimum resolution of X pixels". Consequently many TVs which cost ?2000 or more (convert that to dollars!) two years ago cannot play back hi-def and are incompatible with the Blu- Ray & HD-DVD players now appearing on the market. Since the DRM chain is mandated by Hollywood & the Blu-Ray / HD-DVD standards bodies I find it hard to believe that Apple will be allowed to sell players without the DRM chain described in the Mr Gutmann's article. Since it gives no figures of the actual overhead it might as well be titled "the hidden cost of playing a Blu-Ray under OS X 10.5 on your new MacPro". Since iMacs have integrated screens Apple _may_ have an easier time with Blu-Ray / HD-DVD playback on those, but I don't see them ignoring the requirement for HDCP handshaking when connecting a MacMini or AppleTV to an external screen (seeing as how those requirements apply to standalone players, too). Basically, the DRM requirements of Blu-Ray / HD-DVD playback are nasty, and it's only Microsoft (and not Apple) getting slated for it in the Auckland article because they introduced Blu-Ray / HD-DVD playback first! Apple currently have no products which allow Blu- Ray / HD-DVD playback. [CONTINUED] From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sat Feb 3 07:50:04 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sat Feb 3 07:50:18 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks [C] In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> On 2 Feb 2007, at 19:22, Robert Ameeti wrote: > > The problem is the overhead that MS has mandated to ensure copy > protection for HD that all hardware mfgs must incur including the > graphics cards guys. > > See > for why Vista is slower than XP. [CONTINUED] Mr Gutmann's article would have been FAR more useful in assessing the actual "hidden cost of Vista" had he compared the playback performance of Vista & XP using unprotected hi-def content against playing DRM'd content using the DRM channels he describes. Since the AACS content-protection of Blu-ray & HD-DVD has now been circumvented, full-quality HD-DVD rips are available via BitTorrent with the DRM removed (although I don't know whether this was available at the time of the article's original publication). These can be played on XP or on Vista without meeting the DRM requirements, and playback performance of the the unencrypted rip could easily be compared against that of the DRM'd HD-DVD (of the exact same movie at the exact same resolution / quality / bit-rate). This would allow one to usefully say that "your P4 3.2ghz playing DRM'd content under Vista gives the same playback performance of a 2.5ghz P4 under XP playing unprotected content". An overhead of (say) 50% would be enough to impress consumers a little bit with how craptastic DRM actually is, but it probably wouldn't stop many of them buying hi-def movies if that's what they want to watch. Unfortunately you'll never be able to headline that "an old 486 could play back this movie if it wasn't for Vista's DRM" because the playback demands of hd-content is so demanding, anyway. The whole point of a hi-def movie is that it's at a resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels - my back-of-a-fag-packet maths indicates that's about 6 times the bits to throw around your system than required for a standard 720 x 480 NTSC DVD. The content of Gutmann's article that is actually measurable and tangible is restricted to about the first 3 paragraphs of the "Unnecessary CPU Resource Consumption" section. And even then he doesn't ACTUALLY measure it, but uses phrases like "considerable cost to both ends of the connection". I like his comment "finding SSL being run inside a PC from one software module to another is just weird" - it amuses me, and he's quite right, but this surely might as well be applied to "the hidden cost of playing back DRM'd content on any licensed Blu-Ray / HD-DVD playback software". Gutman says "twenty years ago, in their work on the ABYSS security module, IBM researchers concluded that the use of encrypted buses as a protection mechanism was impractical" and when I look up my thesaurus to describe this statement I come up with antonyms for insighful such as "obtuse", "vacuous" and "vapid". Well, duh! Of course encrypted buses were impractical on am Amiga or a 68000 Macintosh II. Those things had like 7mhz processors and cost hundreds of thousands of pounds - nowadays ISPs give away routers with 200mhz processors for free when you subscribe to their service. Vista proves that "encrypted buses as a protection mechanism" are now practical (whether we like it or not) and this is only a testament to the improvements made to computing power over the last 2 decades. From reading the MythTV list I understand that you're basically advised to get a modern dual-core processor if you want to play back any hi-def content - that's playing it unprotected content under Linux. Once you've got that sort of processing power kicking around it's unclear that the overhead of DRM is actually punishing (despite any hyperbole Mr Gutmann or I might wish to use in constructing our descriptions of it). Stroller. From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sat Feb 3 08:00:09 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sat Feb 3 08:00:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks [typo correction] In-Reply-To: <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <20E7B945-9B49-4F7A-AB9B-52766CA1E1F2@myrealbox.com> On 3 Feb 2007, at 15:50, Stroller wrote: > ... > Gutman says "twenty years ago, in their work on the ABYSS security > module, IBM researchers concluded that the use of encrypted buses > as a protection mechanism was impractical" and when I look up my > thesaurus to describe this statement I come up with antonyms for > insighful such as "obtuse", "vacuous" and "vapid". Well, duh! Of > course encrypted buses were impractical on am Amiga or a 68000 > Macintosh II. Those things had like 7mhz processors and cost > hundreds of thousands of pounds - nowadays ISPs give away routers > with 200mhz processors for free when you subscribe to their service. Correction: Of course encrypted buses were impractical on _an_ Amiga or a 68000 Macintosh II. Those things had like 7mhz processors and cost hundreds _or_ thousands of pounds. Stroller. From timjcollier at mac.com Sat Feb 3 08:14:55 2007 From: timjcollier at mac.com (Tim Collier) Date: Sat Feb 3 08:15:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks [C] In-Reply-To: <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Stroller wrote: > > On 2 Feb 2007, at 19:22, Robert Ameeti wrote: >> >> The problem is the overhead that MS has mandated to ensure copy >> protection for HD that all hardware mfgs must incur including the >> graphics cards guys. >> > ... blah, blah, blah ....ades. > > From reading the MythTV list I understand that you're basically > advised to get a modern dual-core processor if you want to play > back any hi-def content - that's playing it unprotected content > under Linux. Once you've got that sort of processing power kicking > around it's unclear that the overhead of DRM is actually punishing > (despite any hyperbole Mr Gutmann or I might wish to use in > constructing our descriptions of it). > > Stroller. > > I thought that this was a Mac list. I have no interest in running Windows even though I can. -- Tim Collier Mac Pro 2.66 From lists at mac.com Sat Feb 3 08:28:11 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sat Feb 3 08:28:23 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <19C3D3C6-499A-4EC4-AABC-B0DBF3D7DC0A@mac.com> References: <2071ADB0-27E4-4D59-9D7F-E440297012A6@troutnc.com> <19C3D3C6-499A-4EC4-AABC-B0DBF3D7DC0A@mac.com> Message-ID: Why do you really have to understand the language to interpret that statement? It seems that Bablefish did a pretty good job. On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:33 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > It's Spanish, but you really have to understand the language to > interpret it correctly. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070203/1f068ac7/attachment.html From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sat Feb 3 08:51:37 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sat Feb 3 08:51:48 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks [C] In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On 3 Feb 2007, at 16:14, Tim Collier wrote: >> ... >> From reading the MythTV list I understand that you're basically >> advised to get a modern dual-core processor if you want to play >> back any hi-def content - that's playing it unprotected content >> under Linux. Once you've got that sort of processing power kicking >> around it's unclear that the overhead of DRM is actually punishing >> (despite any hyperbole Mr Gutmann or I might wish to use in >> constructing our descriptions of it). > > I thought that this was a Mac list. I have no interest in running > Windows even though I can. Then I suggest you complain to those raising the subject of Windows, rather than those responding to inaccuracies in the thread. I'm merely trying to help readers have a fair & balanced understanding of Windows' failings. Stroller. From netkat at comcast.net Sat Feb 3 09:46:48 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Sat Feb 3 09:46:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] Firefox 2 slower in Panther Message-ID: <7540b9e8f98374ff2f2d6a24d2580bc0@comcast.net> anyone else experience this? I thought I'd give firefox another twirl, and loaded it on my Pismo (400mhz g3) running panther. just too pokey overall, not like on a 1ghz+ G4 or better... guess it just makes too many demands on the little piz? nk From lstnmt at bresnan.net Sat Feb 3 10:04:39 2007 From: lstnmt at bresnan.net (Jens Selvig) Date: Sat Feb 3 10:04:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks [C] In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <40883762-1092-4F69-AC0F-BD11F427EEE8@bresnan.net> This is a Mac list and you can use Windows on your computer as can I. I am very interested in this topic as it does relate to my use of my Mac. I now think of 'Windows' as just an aggregate application, sort like Dashboard where I can use other programs to fulfill my computing needs. My girlfriend, a CPA, uses 'real' Windows computers that are on my office network. The software vendors she uses have precluded use of VISTA for at least the next two years. (Maybe longer) At this point in time I have no desire to run VISTA on any of my Macs. Maybe someday I'll change my mind. ;) In our case, VISTA is going to be a long put off upgrade. We only have 4 working XP Pro systems running but I am thinking we may not be all that odd of a situation facing Microsoft sales departments. I do have to admit that I am not one of the immediate OS X upgraders either. I usually wait 3-6 months before leaping. I think the difficult thing for Apple and Microsoft is coming up with OS enhancements that are earth shattering and compelling enough to cause the masses to automagically want to upgrade. So the bottom line for me is moderation in upgrading! Jens Selvig ...lost in Montana... lstnmt@bresnan.net On Feb 3, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > I thought that this was a Mac list. I have no interest in running > Windows even though I can. From mpanas at callatg.com Sat Feb 3 10:12:24 2007 From: mpanas at callatg.com (Mike Panas) Date: Sat Feb 3 10:12:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] Firefox 2 slower in Panther In-Reply-To: <7540b9e8f98374ff2f2d6a24d2580bc0@comcast.net> References: <7540b9e8f98374ff2f2d6a24d2580bc0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <327138BC-458A-4458-92C3-1E083D5989EF@callatg.com> I find Safari faster than Ffox. Don't know why.However, I continue to use Ffox for some conveniences that have value to me -- the ability to reorder tabs by dragging, to specify multiple "home" pages, all of which open in tabs whenever Ff is launched, and the session restore feature. If Safari could do this stuff I'd switch back in a heartbeat. Mike On Feb 3, 2007, at 9:46 AM, nk wrote: > anyone else experience this? I thought I'd give firefox another > twirl, and loaded it on my Pismo (400mhz g3) running panther. > > just too pokey overall, not like on a 1ghz+ G4 or better... > > guess it just makes too many demands on the little piz? > > nk > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From jessup at san.rr.com Sat Feb 3 14:30:12 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sat Feb 3 14:32:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: <2071ADB0-27E4-4D59-9D7F-E440297012A6@troutnc.com> <19C3D3C6-499A-4EC4-AABC-B0DBF3D7DC0A@mac.com> Message-ID: At 11:28 AM -0500 3/2/07, Neil wrote: >Why do you really have to understand the language to interpret that >statement? It seems that Bablefish did a pretty good job. > >On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:33 AM, Tim Collier wrote: > >>It's Spanish, but you really have to understand the language to >>interpret it correctly. He didn't say you needed to know the language to understand the words. He said you need it to "interpret" the statement. I'm positive it is something quite colloquial. In fact, I don't want to get raunchy on the list, but I suspect that the statement COULD be something a guy could say to indicate he has, well, lots of courage and is very manly. Of course, I have a dirty mind. Daly ---------------------- From jessup at san.rr.com Sat Feb 3 14:32:03 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sat Feb 3 14:32:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks [C] In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: Tim Collier wrote: >I thought that this was a Mac list. I have no interest in running >Windows even though I can. It is a Mac list. Macs can now run Windows. People are going to have questions about that interface. I also believe that lots of people are going to finally buy Macs because they can also run Windows when needed, so we will want to make sure their transition is as smooth as possible. I think it would be a bad mistake to close the list to questions about running Windows on a Mac. Daly ---------------------- From netkat at comcast.net Sat Feb 3 17:58:02 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Sat Feb 3 17:58:12 2007 Subject: [X4U] XP <> Vista benchmarks [C] In-Reply-To: References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <14111ca06fef9a56624e3f01aced596a@comcast.net> Agreed. Plus, even if Macs DIDN'T run windows now, it's still relevant to talk about windows performance and capabilities relative to the mac. Tho it's the vastly superior OS, OS X isn't the only one out there...we don't exist in a vacuum. nk On Feb 3, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > It is a Mac list. Macs can now run Windows. People are going to have > questions about that interface. > > I also believe that lots of people are going to finally buy Macs > because they can also run Windows when needed, so we will want to make > sure their transition is as smooth as possible. > > I think it would be a bad mistake to close the list to questions about > running Windows on a Mac. > > Daly From randy at macattorney.com Sat Feb 3 18:28:46 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Sat Feb 3 18:32:03 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) Message-ID: <20070204022920.07A62879EC1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Wayne Clodfelter said: >I think he may be alluding to fact that USB 2.0 drives cannot be used >as boot drives. That isn't strictly the case. All of the Intel-based Macs can boot from USB 2.0 drives, as long as the drive has been formatted on your Intel-based Mac and not on a PowerPC Mac. http://rentzsch.com/tidbits/intelbasedMacBootIncompatibility While PowerPC Macs running OS X normally can't boot from USB 2.0 drives, some PowerPC Macs running OS 9 can. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58430 Here is a hack that might let you boot from a USB 2.0 if you have a PowerPC-based Mac: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060301112336384 Randy B. Singer Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions) OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html From wayne at troutnc.com Sat Feb 3 18:46:49 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Sat Feb 3 18:47:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: <20070204022920.07A62879EC1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070204022920.07A62879EC1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: <3C6B0701-CC6F-4F9A-811F-6DC867956066@troutnc.com> On Feb 3, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Randy B.Singer wrote: > Wayne Clodfelter said: > >> I think he may be alluding to fact that USB 2.0 drives cannot be used >> as boot drives. > > That isn't strictly the case. > > All of the Intel-based Macs can boot from USB 2.0 drives, as long > as the > drive has been formatted on your Intel-based Mac and not on a > PowerPC Mac. > http://rentzsch.com/tidbits/intelbasedMacBootIncompatibility > > While PowerPC Macs running OS X normally can't boot from USB 2.0 > drives, > some PowerPC Macs running OS 9 can. > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58430 > > Here is a hack that might let you boot from a USB 2.0 if you have a > PowerPC-based Mac: > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060301112336384 My apologies if I stated something in error. I have seen it stated in various mac forums numerous times that USB 2.0 drives are not bootable, and this is the first time I have seen the opposite. Thanks, Randy, for informing me. Again. Regards, Wayne Clodfelter wayne@troutnc.com From timjcollier at mac.com Sat Feb 3 19:38:25 2007 From: timjcollier at mac.com (Tim Collier) Date: Sat Feb 3 19:38:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: <2071ADB0-27E4-4D59-9D7F-E440297012A6@troutnc.com> <19C3D3C6-499A-4EC4-AABC-B0DBF3D7DC0A@mac.com> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > At 11:28 AM -0500 3/2/07, Neil wrote: >> Why do you really have to understand the language to interpret >> that statement? It seems that Bablefish did a pretty good job. >> >> On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:33 AM, Tim Collier wrote: >> >>> It's Spanish, but you really have to understand the language to >>> interpret it correctly. > > He didn't say you needed to know the language to understand the > words. He said you need it to "interpret" the statement. I'm > positive it is something quite colloquial. In fact, I don't want to > get raunchy on the list, but I suspect that the statement COULD be > something a guy could say to indicate he has, well, lots of courage > and is very manly. > > Of course, I have a dirty mind. > > Daly It's nothing dirty...it's just "I have a lovely bunch of coconuts." It's been a standing joke between me and my wife for the past 23 years. Tim -- Tim Collier MacBook 1.83 mhz 1 gig RAM From paul.moortgat at pandora.be Sun Feb 4 00:54:04 2007 From: paul.moortgat at pandora.be (Paul Moortgat) Date: Sun Feb 4 00:54:29 2007 Subject: [X4U] Bill's mistake, or is it the truth? In-Reply-To: <20E7B945-9B49-4F7A-AB9B-52766CA1E1F2@myrealbox.com> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> <20E7B945-9B49-4F7A-AB9B-52766CA1E1F2@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <1187E92A-C2F7-4E72-BEA7-D5BD2DE24F04@pandora.be> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uau0aIbrzkQ Mac OS IS better than MS OS. Paul Moortgat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070204/2caf38d1/attachment.html From alec at mckenzie.me.uk Sun Feb 4 01:52:26 2007 From: alec at mckenzie.me.uk (Alec McKenzie) Date: Sun Feb 4 01:53:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Bill's mistake, or is it the truth? Message-ID: Paul Moortgat wrote: >http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uau0aIbrzkQ > >Mac OS IS better than MS OS. No mistake. Way back then he didn't have his Microsoft hat on. -- Alec McKenzie alec@mckenzie.me.uk From lists at mac.com Sun Feb 4 07:19:42 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sun Feb 4 07:19:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] FireWire enclosure for SATA drive (Was: Migrate without Firewire link.) In-Reply-To: References: <2071ADB0-27E4-4D59-9D7F-E440297012A6@troutnc.com> <19C3D3C6-499A-4EC4-AABC-B0DBF3D7DC0A@mac.com> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2007, at 10:38 PM, Tim Collier wrote: > On Feb 3, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > >> At 11:28 AM -0500 3/2/07, Neil wrote: >>> Why do you really have to understand the language to interpret >>> that statement? It seems that Bablefish did a pretty good job. >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2007, at 4:33 AM, Tim Collier wrote: >>> >>>> It's Spanish, but you really have to understand the language to >>>> interpret it correctly. >> >> He didn't say you needed to know the language to understand the >> words. He said you need it to "interpret" the statement. I'm >> positive it is something quite colloquial. In fact, I don't want >> to get raunchy on the list, but I suspect that the statement COULD >> be something a guy could say to indicate he has, well, lots of >> courage and is very manly. >> >> Of course, I have a dirty mind. >> >> Daly > > It's nothing dirty...it's just "I have a lovely bunch of > coconuts." It's been a standing joke between me and my wife for > the past 23 years. OK, but then why did you say that you have to really understand the language to interpret it correctly? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070204/d69da8fa/attachment-0001.html From lists at mac.com Sun Feb 4 07:23:05 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sun Feb 4 07:23:11 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Bill's mistake, or is it the truth? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is that video from the MacWorld when Steve Jobs came back and announced the five year plan with Microsoft? I think it was only nine years ago. On Feb 4, 2007, at 4:52 AM, Alec McKenzie wrote: > Paul Moortgat wrote: > >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uau0aIbrzkQ >> >> Mac OS IS better than MS OS. > > No mistake. Way back then he didn't have his Microsoft hat on. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070204/62dbd2d6/attachment.html From tlmiller at mac.com Sun Feb 4 08:03:05 2007 From: tlmiller at mac.com (T.L. Miller) Date: Sun Feb 4 08:03:25 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Bill's mistake, or is it the truth? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070204160305.2071192584@smtp.mac.com> On 2/4/07, at 10:23 AM, Neil lists@mac.com said: >Is that video from the MacWorld when Steve Jobs came back and >announced the five year plan with Microsoft? I think it was only >nine years ago. I'll bet it was from years(?) before MS launched Windows. Tom Miller .................................................. "The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side." R.O.Clark ................................................... From jessup at san.rr.com Sun Feb 4 10:26:37 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sun Feb 4 10:27:28 2007 Subject: [X4U] Re: Bill's mistake, or is it the truth? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >On Feb 4, 2007, at 4:52 AM, Alec McKenzie wrote: > >>Paul Moortgat wrote: >>>http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uau0aIbrzkQ At 10:23 AM -0500 4/2/07, Neil wrote: >Is that video from the MacWorld when Steve Jobs came back and >announced the five year plan with Microsoft? I think it was only >nine years ago. I wouldn't think so. He looks no more than 30 in that clip. Or are my eyes getting old? Daly ---------------------- From jessup at san.rr.com Sun Feb 4 10:25:30 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sun Feb 4 10:27:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] Bill's mistake, or is it the truth? In-Reply-To: <1187E92A-C2F7-4E72-BEA7-D5BD2DE24F04@pandora.be> References: <4E1CAE6A-B767-4B29-A534-19B220CADB15@mac.com> <691CBE00-EFC4-483F-B9D1-425323132864@myrealbox.com> <57356584-5C27-4B6B-9D74-4D3134FBE034@myrealbox.com> <20E7B945-9B49-4F7A-AB9B-52766CA1E1F2@myrealbox.com> <1187E92A-C2F7-4E72-BEA7-D5BD2DE24F04@pandora.be> Message-ID: At 9:54 AM +0100 4/2/07, Paul Moortgat wrote: >http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uau0aIbrzkQ > >Mac OS IS better than MS OS. Well, if Bill Gates says so, it must be true. ;-) Daly ---------------------- From lbe at mac.com Sun Feb 4 11:20:24 2007 From: lbe at mac.com (Lars Bertelsen) Date: Sun Feb 4 11:20:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] Need Script Editing Advice In-Reply-To: <20070202225313.1886920636@smtp.gmail.com> References: <20070202225313.1886920636@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: In stead of (count words of _str) try length(_str) or mayby size(_str). If you look in the documentation you'll be sure to find some place where they discuss string operations; you can find the exact syntax there! NB! The above will count everything including spaces. tabs and linefeeds. If you don't want that, you'll need to filter oust som of the stuff you don't need. For this, look for a replace() or replaceall() command. I don't know if APplescript has that (it didn't used to!), but maybe it has been included now. Otherwise use google to find some code that will do it for you! It is definitely out there. In principle, what you want is to say something like: _str=replace(_str," ","") //space _str=replace(_str,char(13),""); _str=replace(_str,char(10),""); //the two newline characters _str=replace(_str,char(9),""); //tab I believe display alert "Word count: " & length(_str); Again, the syntax is almost certainly not correct, but the principle applies! Lars Bertelsen >I saw on Daring Fireball the script below that does a word count in >conjunction with ThisService, and want to edit it, so it counts >characters. Can anyone tell me what to edit/substitute? Thanks in advance! > > >on process(_str) > tell application "System Events" > set _appname to name of first process whose frontmost is true > end tell > tell application _appname > display alert "Word count: " & (count words of _str) > end tell >end process > >_______________________________________________ >X4U mailing list >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -- From peterstj at earthlink.net Sun Feb 4 11:23:15 2007 From: peterstj at earthlink.net (Peter Saint James) Date: Sun Feb 4 11:23:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mail line endings Message-ID: <55EF4DD1-73B6-42AB-A74B-F55A5CDFB5FC@earthlink.net> From: peterstj@earthlink.net Subject: Mail line endings Date: 3 February 2007 4:37:52 PM EST To: x-apps@listserver.themacintoshguy.com I've been having a problem in Mail with spacing and line endings. I've got to get it solved because I have to send out some e-mails that must look right. If I try to paste anything into a message, it looks right before sent, but when I see the message after sent (like on a mailing list or in a reply), many line endings are wrong: lots of short lines, sometimes only one word. Also words will run together, usually about once per line. The problem is the Mail does not convert line endings to spaces. Or it converts some and misses some. I had assumed at first that the problem came because I was pasting from Word. I have noticed, however, it happens even when I paste from another mail message or move a paragraph in the same message. I tried various tasks under Services that looked promising. I tried "remove line ending." Didn't work. I tried "convert to Mac line endings." Didn't help. I tried "reformat." That helped a little. The problem is less pronounced, but still there. What's the secret here. It seems an odd problem. Do other people have this? TIA Peter From jessup at san.rr.com Sun Feb 4 11:39:23 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sun Feb 4 11:44:59 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mail line endings In-Reply-To: <55EF4DD1-73B6-42AB-A74B-F55A5CDFB5FC@earthlink.net> References: <55EF4DD1-73B6-42AB-A74B-F55A5CDFB5FC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: > I've been having a problem in Mail with spacing and line endings. >I've got to get it solved because I have to send out some e-mails >that must look right. > > If I try to paste anything into a message, it looks right >before sent, but when I see the message after sent (like on a >mailing list or in a reply), many line endings are wrong: lots of >short lines, sometimes only one word. Also words will run together, >usually about once per line. The problem is the Mail does not >convert line endings to spaces. Or it converts some and misses some. I use SmartWrap for cleaning text. You can get it at: Another great utility for cleaning text is TextSoap, available at: Daly ---------------------- From douglist at macnauchtan.com Sun Feb 4 11:59:33 2007 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Sun Feb 4 11:59:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mail line endings In-Reply-To: <55EF4DD1-73B6-42AB-A74B-F55A5CDFB5FC@earthlink.net> References: <55EF4DD1-73B6-42AB-A74B-F55A5CDFB5FC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 14:23 -0500 2/4/07, Peter Saint James wrote: > > I've been having a problem in Mail with spacing and line endings. >I've got to get it solved because I have to send out some e-mails that must look right. > > > If I try to paste anything into a message, it looks right before sent, but when I see the message after sent (like on a mailing list or in a reply), many line endings are wrong: lots of short lines, sometimes only one word. Also words will run together, usually about once per line. The problem is the Mail does not convert line endings to spaces. Or it converts some and misses some. > > I had assumed at first that the problem came because I was pasting from Word. I have noticed, however, it happens even when I paste from another mail message or move a paragraph in the same message. > > I tried various tasks under Services that looked promising. I tried "remove line ending." Didn't work. I tried "convert to Mac line endings." Didn't help. I tried "reformat." That helped a little. >The problem is less pronounced, but still there. Readable mail - and that means email, not just Apple's mail.app - is a PITA for everyone. I have opinions but not much that you would call help. I saw your post on X-SW and refrained because I'm likely to get flamed for this one. ASCII TEXT is the best kind of mail. Let the READER choose the window width, line length as displayed, and font. Use two line ends between paragraphs, keep paragraphs shorter than 998 characters which is the maximum allowed by SMTP delivery agents. Turn off all formatted mail options. Tell your mail client NOT to wrap lines. Don't send via someone else that will mess it all up. AOL comes to mind but mailing list digests are also terrible. Mail clients can and will "helpfully" change what you sent during a copy associated with a reply. If you must send formatted mail create an Adobe PDF document and enclose it as an attachment. Don't even think about attaching a WORD *.doc document. Pasting from M$WORD into mail.app probably subverts all of the above. It's likely that you have created HTML mail which is a sort of web page included in a message that expects the reader to interpret it with browser-like software. Further it's likely that the paste operation employed RTF formatted "rich" text that is never exactly the same between Microsoft apps and Apple apps. Mail.app might well be faced with a conversion operation that is guessing about things as they go by. Save the WORD document as text only and try opening that file in mail.app - well, Eudora or a real text editor - copy from there into mail.app. Or do what I do. Run Eudora on an 8500 with OS 9 that doesn't "help" by defaulting to unicode, HTML, or RTF. -- Applescript syntax is like English spelling: Roughly, though not thoroughly, thought through. From roy at ion.co.za Mon Feb 5 02:02:49 2007 From: roy at ion.co.za (Roy van der Westhuizen) Date: Mon Feb 5 02:03:23 2007 Subject: [X4U] Internet cafe timer program Message-ID: <37C73E02-EDCE-4B9D-BAF4-E9D2CCB2395F@ion.co.za> Dear Listees, My old iMac 800 is used as an Internet Cafe, the only one available, in the village in which I live. Is there a suitable program to use as a use timer? Thanks, Roy From randy at macattorney.com Mon Feb 5 02:33:45 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Mon Feb 5 02:33:55 2007 Subject: [X4U] Internet cafe timer program In-Reply-To: <37C73E02-EDCE-4B9D-BAF4-E9D2CCB2395F@ion.co.za> References: <37C73E02-EDCE-4B9D-BAF4-E9D2CCB2395F@ion.co.za> Message-ID: On Feb 5, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Roy van der Westhuizen wrote: > Is there a suitable program to use as a use timer? Is it running OS 9? If so, check out: TimeTracer http://modesittsoftware.com/legacy.html Otherwise check out: iCafe Server http://www.netdock.de/ ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (3rd, 4th, and 5th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070205/00d8109b/attachment-0001.html From netkat at comcast.net Mon Feb 5 06:06:56 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Mon Feb 5 06:07:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] MacBook and USB modem Message-ID: <640e211ec59e693d951f0646df365cf5@comcast.net> I've been reading about the MacBook's impressive performance, and actually looking at the BTO page, where one option is a Modem which you connect via USB. IOW, another thingie with a wire to keep track of! I had a snow ibook (great machine) with an internal 56K modem. any idea why apple abandoned that in favor of this new gizmo? nk From jessup at san.rr.com Mon Feb 5 06:21:21 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Mon Feb 5 06:21:35 2007 Subject: [X4U] MacBook and USB modem In-Reply-To: <640e211ec59e693d951f0646df365cf5@comcast.net> References: <640e211ec59e693d951f0646df365cf5@comcast.net> Message-ID: At 6:06 AM -0800 5/2/07, nk wrote: >I've been reading about the MacBook's impressive performance, and >actually looking at the BTO page, where one option is a Modem which >you connect via USB. > >IOW, another thingie with a wire to keep track of! > >I had a snow ibook (great machine) with an internal 56K modem. any >idea why apple abandoned that in favor of this new gizmo? I don't know why, but I do have an idea that since so many people use broadband and wireless connections, it was a piece of hardware they eliminate, saving space in the computer and expense of including something that most people don't need. Daly ---------------------- From mac at kapellos.com Mon Feb 5 06:21:44 2007 From: mac at kapellos.com (alexandre) Date: Mon Feb 5 06:22:01 2007 Subject: [X4U] MacBook and USB modem In-Reply-To: <640e211ec59e693d951f0646df365cf5@comcast.net> References: <640e211ec59e693d951f0646df365cf5@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 5 f?vr. 07, at 15:06, nk wrote: > I've been reading about the MacBook's impressive performance, and > actually looking at the BTO page, where one option is a Modem which > you connect via USB. > > IOW, another thingie with a wire to keep track of! > > I had a snow ibook (great machine) with an internal 56K modem. any > idea why apple abandoned that in favor of this new gizmo? > to cut costs, i presume? and apparently, not so many people need them nowadays with the "abundance" of wifi. alexandre From macmonster at myrealbox.com Mon Feb 5 06:39:38 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Mon Feb 5 06:40:12 2007 Subject: [X4U] Internet cafe timer program In-Reply-To: References: <37C73E02-EDCE-4B9D-BAF4-E9D2CCB2395F@ion.co.za> Message-ID: <66D7D37E-6241-4A59-A79C-40BA4F091647@myrealbox.com> On 5 Feb 2007, at 10:33, Randy B. Singer wrote: > Feb 5, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Roy van der Westhuizen wrote: > >> ...an Internet Cafe, the only one available, in the village in >> which I live. >> Is there a suitable program to use as a use timer? > > ... > iCafe Server > http://www.netdock.de/ I didn't look at TimeTracer, as the page you linked to only has a tarball download, but at ?350 for a single seat, iCafe server would seem not cost competitive with an exercise book & a biro in a village environment. Stroller. From peterstj at earthlink.net Mon Feb 5 08:24:00 2007 From: peterstj at earthlink.net (Peter Saint James) Date: Mon Feb 5 08:24:17 2007 Subject: [X4U] Mail line endings In-Reply-To: References: <55EF4DD1-73B6-42AB-A74B-F55A5CDFB5FC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8B2CA812-9DBD-49CA-AFA8-350505D532FF@earthlink.net> On 4 Feb 2007, at 2:39 PM, Daly Jessup wrote: > >> I've been having a problem in Mail with spacing and line >> endings. I've got to get it solved because I have to send out >> some e-mails that must look right. >> >> If I try to paste anything into a message, it looks right before >> sent, but when I see the message after sent (like on a mailing >> list or in a reply), many line endings are wrong: lots of short >> lines, sometimes only one word. Also words will run together, >> usually about once per line. The problem is the Mail does not >> convert line endings to spaces. Or it converts some and misses some. > > I use SmartWrap for cleaning text. You can get it at: www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/4065> Thanks Daly. I tried Smart Wrap and it seems to do the job. You would think that a company smart enough to invent the iPhone would be smart enough to build this ability into OS X. Peter From colin at eleventhvolume.com Mon Feb 5 11:00:46 2007 From: colin at eleventhvolume.com (eleventhvolume) Date: Mon Feb 5 11:01:05 2007 Subject: [X4U] Internet cafe timer program In-Reply-To: <37C73E02-EDCE-4B9D-BAF4-E9D2CCB2395F@ion.co.za> Message-ID: > Dear Listees, > > My old iMac 800 is used as an Internet Cafe, the only one available, > in the village in which I live. Is there a suitable program to use as > a use timer? Hello Roy, You could try Mac Minder - http://www.lumacode.com/macminder/ - which I use to manage my kid's time on the computer - allows multiple users, set time limits, reset usage, etc. HTH, Colin. [http://www.eleventhvolume.com] From mark at astroprinting.com Mon Feb 5 11:38:14 2007 From: mark at astroprinting.com (Mark Des Cotes) Date: Mon Feb 5 11:42:15 2007 Subject: [X4U] My iMac is narcoleptic Message-ID: <582E9534-7C73-484D-96D0-06EE51202BBC@astroprinting.com> OK, not really, but sometimes it seems that way. I have an iMac G5 at home. Ever since we started using OS X, back on our old slot loading iMac DV, we've (the family) been in the habit of putting the computer to sleep when we were done with it instead of shutting it down. That's fine, I know. But for some reason the rest of my family has started putting the computer to sleep each time they leave it. Even if they know they'll be back in 10 minutes or so. I've often left the computer to go do something or get something only to have my wife or one of the kids tell me "you left the computer on". Waking it up only takes a couple of seconds but can constantly sleeping and waking it do any harm? Mark Des Cotes Systems Manager/Graphic Designer Astro Printing Service (Cornwall) Ltd. 3308 Second Street East Cornwall Ontario Canada K6H 6J8 T (613) 932-9281 Ext 106, F (613) 932-1052 www.astroprinting.com From randy at macattorney.com Mon Feb 5 11:46:41 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B.Singer) Date: Mon Feb 5 12:03:25 2007 Subject: [X4U] MacBook and USB modem In-Reply-To: <640e211ec59e693d951f0646df365cf5@comcast.net> References: <640e211ec59e693d951f0646df365cf5@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:06 AM, nk wrote: > I've been reading about the MacBook's impressive performance, and > actually looking at the BTO page, where one option is a Modem which > you connect via USB. > > IOW, another thingie with a wire to keep track of! > > I had a snow ibook (great machine) with an internal 56K modem. any > idea why apple abandoned that in favor of this new gizmo? The Apple V.92 USB modem is tiny. About the size of a pack of chewing gum. It's easy to transport. It is also a piece of garbage, as it is a softmodem that has been problematic for lots of users. I don't know the technical reasons, but apparently you can't purchase a V.92 USB modem meant for a Windows computer, tweak the initialization string, and have it work with your Macintosh, like you could with earlier modems. So for now the only other choice for a Macintosh-compatible external USB V.92 modem is the Best Data V.92 USB external fax modem for Macintosh. Fortunately this is not a softmodem, and though not as tiny as Apple's, it is fairly small compared to other full performance modems. Best Data V.92 USB external fax modem for Macintosh http://www.bestdata.com/index.php?file=c-allproddesc&iProductId=16161 $54 with free shipping ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (3rd, 4th, and 5th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From aamolsch at shentel.net Mon Feb 5 12:46:58 2007 From: aamolsch at shentel.net (aamolsch@shentel.net) Date: Mon Feb 5 12:47:04 2007 Subject: [X4U] MacBook and USB modem Message-ID: <200702052046.l15KkwmE013667@hammerhead.shentel.net> > Randy B. Singer wrote: > The Apple V.92 USB modem is tiny. About the size of a pack of > chewing gum. It's easy to transport. It is also a piece of garbage, > as it is a softmodem that has been problematic for lots of users. ========== I've used the Apple USB modem flawlessly with my MacBook Pro the few times that I could only access dialup. Art Amolsch Publisher FTC:WATCH 202-639-0581 ftcwatch@usa.net --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Shentel WebMail. http://WebMail.Shentel.Net From randy at macattorney.com Mon Feb 5 13:46:49 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Mon Feb 5 13:46:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] MacBook and USB modem In-Reply-To: <200702052046.l15KkwmE013667@hammerhead.shentel.net> References: <200702052046.l15KkwmE013667@hammerhead.shentel.net> Message-ID: On Feb 5, 2007, at 8:46 PM, aamolsch@shentel.net wrote: >> The Apple V.92 USB modem is tiny. About the size of a pack of >> chewing gum. It's easy to transport. It is also a piece of garbage, >> as it is a softmodem that has been problematic for lots of users. > ========== > I've used the Apple USB modem flawlessly > with my MacBook Pro the few times that I > could only access dialup. Yep, it works fine when you have perfectly clear phone lines and you aren't too discerning about your modem's connection speed. Don't get me wrong, I have an Apple USB modem attached to my 24-inch iMac so that I can send faxes from my computer. It isn't unusable, it is just very far from being an ideal modem. There is an incredibly long discussion about Apple modems on Macintouch. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (3rd, 4th, and 5th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From ftf at mac.com Mon Feb 5 14:01:20 2007 From: ftf at mac.com (Fabian Fang) Date: Mon Feb 5 14:01:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] My iMac is narcoleptic In-Reply-To: <582E9534-7C73-484D-96D0-06EE51202BBC@astroprinting.com> References: <582E9534-7C73-484D-96D0-06EE51202BBC@astroprinting.com> Message-ID: On Feb 5, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Mark Des Cotes wrote: > I have an iMac G5 at home. Ever since we started using OS X, back > on our old slot loading iMac DV, we've (the family) been in the > habit of putting the computer to sleep when we were done with it > instead of shutting it down. That's fine, I know. But for some > reason the rest of my family has started putting the computer to > sleep each time they leave it. Even if they know they'll be back in > 10 minutes or so. I've often left the computer to go do something > or get something only to have my wife or one of the kids tell me > "you left the computer on". Waking it up only takes a couple of > seconds but can constantly sleeping and waking it do any harm? As the owner of a iMac G5 (20", iSight), I recently began to visit the Apple Discussion Forum for iMac G5, especially the "Using Your iMac G5" Category as follows, just to see what problems other owners have experienced: I was quite shocked in reading the countless messages, complaining about power-related problems, including sleep-wake issues. If you have never done it, you may wish to visit that Forum, and possibly even sign up for automatic e-mail notification about your selected topics of interest. Depending on the specific version of your iMac G5, it may be covered under Apple's two "repair extension" programs. Fabian From bidlecom at usc.edu Mon Feb 5 14:17:43 2007 From: bidlecom at usc.edu (Paul Biddlecomb) Date: Mon Feb 5 14:18:16 2007 Subject: [X4U] Warning received from Network Administrator Message-ID: I received the notice from my Network Administrator: Your host connected to yetzirah.org over 6000 times between 09:03 and 09:13. Files over 1 megabytes were transferred. We suspect that your host may be compromised, or misconfigured. If so, you may have to reinstall your system, install updated service packs, and any relevant security patches, as other backdoors may have been installed by hackers. If your host causes network problems, it will be blocked. How can I verify what may have happened? What log file might show files that may have been transferred? I have the IP of the offending computer. My system is as follows: Dual 1GHz PowerPC G4 Mac OS 10.4.8 Safari 2.0.4 Anyone heard of this yetzirah.org? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070205/1cb130b1/attachment.html From Robert at Ameeti.net Mon Feb 5 14:29:16 2007 From: Robert at Ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Mon Feb 5 14:30:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] Warning received from Network Administrator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 2:17 PM -0800, 2/5/07, Paul Biddlecomb wrote: >I received the notice from my Network Administrator: > >Your host connected to yetzirah.org over 6000 times between 09:03 >and 09:13. Files over 1 megabytes were transferred. We suspect >that your host may be compromised, or misconfigured. If so, you may >have to reinstall your system, install updated service packs, and >any relevant security patches, as other backdoors may have been >installed by hackers. If your host causes network problems, it will >be blocked. > > >How can I verify what may have h