Many thanks to Randy, Stroller, Colin and Thomas for their advice. Randy, Stroller is correct. At €350, it would cost a whole years Cafe income to pay for the program; our usage rate is Rand 7.50/15 minutes which equals about $1/15 minutes. Okay, don't all laugh at the same time, this is hickville, not hipville :–). The users, mainly rural blacks are not wealthy and the provision is more of a community service than anything else. I am going to check out Mac Minder which I downloaded. Thomas, how do I do what you told me to do? You can mail be off list if you like as I only get the digest. Regards, Roy