From richardstoddard at mac.com Sun Jul 1 03:39:08 2007 From: richardstoddard at mac.com (Richard Stoddard) Date: Sun Jul 1 03:39:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari woes! In-Reply-To: <4F4D3208-A15F-47D1-BF0D-42240213A108@bresnan.net> References: <4F4D3208-A15F-47D1-BF0D-42240213A108@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <24FDDD8D-9ED0-4A59-9FF1-07F4B781B192@mac.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm starting to have a different problem. I'm using Safari 3.02 with 10.4.10 (and all security updates), and for awhile had no trouble at all. Now, however, it frequently locks up the entire computer, and the only way around it is to turn it off. It also takes forever to restore the screen when the screensaver has been active. (And sometimes I have to turn it off.) If I use Camino, I don't have this problem, even with two windows and a dozen or more tabs open. Rick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iQIVAwUBRoeETczWCPBtBgwIAQLARRAAzK9lZ5k8P4x1Bw4zElo+QUEuyEdoL9MT f5oCmPInN/WSYTv/CykLICU2KnC1Aas1mSAZYKI08ihSx+ObkxllRvLD8HAvVR4B 9nMV14amopsuXOJHtQCS4Veu6LA3PyopcXphF2WJzazHNMa/uJ+HVgF/OAQ5+Z2E gbDz3t3MwVZ5NDAX3Ra/OcAGaDk5wI5z3L50b+HFZBNp6KPy9tgBDUtpkRIqaM4s svwtl3DCakOsfuWsYp0X+N1EtYm/AyXr6IFNeBX8nM15vpzYqthgbK/ZqRzbxfMq gJOEenCafv8ZgB9+Z0apRLFBO4Wf159WCMBZxl+Sx06MD8Ca4npMswRyYKnkOZ8u zHyTscgbYsv+VDmZ1RjE1ZGIN21MOuVdOY9kZNz9AB7VXsJDlVjlg77Za+zAkTNQ W5JaTdnUAvsmQt6kI/nZtflGngDrMIlt3qu4yw0Svtok8irW4gkgdxv/Tev25tRe yAK4vVN3lGglYTVah3pMcGTVVU4gdZSCoJBgLMn3uXBCVhJccbU09QB2zD/EXep7 w6/IhvzFr6382J/NXC3Fw9OUSGGdoXMC6GWK8XY3hEWrdyPmi4s4R+N02ntAy+zF 1b84n9AFKc1YjK05C9YJAEkkgoq1dviMACfK93TK2eY1/TlkSCPadtE6x+PMholb O1K1AtkqWSk= =seOe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sun Jul 1 05:40:07 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sun Jul 1 05:40:30 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari woes! In-Reply-To: <08385C18-9A15-4645-85E1-BE48B51E242C@comcast.net> References: <57A5A843-E2DB-4E64-8457-6A7BD4BC4E38@mac.com> <08385C18-9A15-4645-85E1-BE48B51E242C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7F70A819-D3F5-4884-9414-F3A80ABF26EF@myrealbox.com> On 1 Jul 2007, at 01:32, faramineux wrote: > Here is the scoop: In the folder SystemConfiguration there are 4 > plist files. > > com.apple.nat.plist > com.apple.PowerManagement.plist > NetworkInterfaces.plist > preferences.plist > > After deleting them, I re-start the computer. ... > I start Safari and it crashes. That doesn't surprise me. None of those files appear to have anything to do with Safari. I know I said "remove some preference files" but try & do so with some discretion. Preference files have a standard naming convention - com.apple.iTunes.plist is related to the iTunes software written by the company that owns the apple.com domain, com.hustler.picture- viewer.plist is related to Hustler.com's picture viewing software. Files you have deleted don't have "safari" in the name and some are clearly related to network settings & power management. Why are you deleting them in order to try & solve a Safari problem? Stroller. From faramineux at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 05:52:21 2007 From: faramineux at comcast.net (faramineux) Date: Sun Jul 1 05:52:30 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari woes! In-Reply-To: <7F70A819-D3F5-4884-9414-F3A80ABF26EF@myrealbox.com> References: <57A5A843-E2DB-4E64-8457-6A7BD4BC4E38@mac.com> <08385C18-9A15-4645-85E1-BE48B51E242C@comcast.net> <7F70A819-D3F5-4884-9414-F3A80ABF26EF@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <730AB8AC-4E62-4EA1-9DA2-551774C1C5F6@comcast.net> On Jul 1, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Stroller wrote: > > Files you have deleted don't have "safari" in the name and some are > clearly related to network settings & power management. Why are you > deleting them in order to try & solve a Safari problem? > > Stroller. Here is why: I had a similar problem in that Safari, iTunes and the Widgets would not work properly after a system upgrade. The fix from Apple tech support was to delete the plist files in Main/Library/Preferences/ SystemConfigurations and restart. That worked. Unfortunately, this was the 3rd call to tech support on this problem. The first two resulted it a system and an application reinstallation with no solution to the problem, but the last worked fine. Ken From robert at ameeti.net Sun Jul 1 06:19:50 2007 From: robert at ameeti.net (Robert Ameeti) Date: Sun Jul 1 06:20:03 2007 Subject: [X4U] G3 in endless loop of inaction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:10 PM -0700, 6/29/07, Ronald Steinke wrote: >The Firewire issue is something else. That version of Mac can not start up in a Target Disk mode. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Robert Ameeti Honesty is the key to a relationship. If you can fake that, you're in. - Rich Jeni <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From spikedds at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 1 18:37:19 2007 From: spikedds at bellsouth.net (David R. Boag) Date: Sun Jul 1 18:37:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] Inadvertent Double Clicks--A Follow-Up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A9458E8-774C-42F6-AA90-321FD4091924@bellsouth.net> Just to let everyone know, I ended up going to the Apple Store this weekend to see the iPhone. I didn't get one, although I was REEEEEEALLY tempted to. Instead, on the advice of this forum, I purchased a Bluetooth Mightly mouse, and I must say that so far I am extremely impressed. This is the first mouse made by Apple that actually met my expectations. Uninstalled Microshaft's Intellipoint software, and the problem is gone. I had no idea this thing had two-button sensors for the main two plus the scroll button to boot. I LIKEY! Thanks for the recommendations everyone. -- David R. Boag, DDS spikedds@bellsouth.net http://www.southatlantadental.com/ On Jun 20, 2007, at 12:04 AM, David R. Boag wrote: > Intel MacMini w/ 10.4.9 and Microsoft Intellipoint Explorer 3.0. I > have been having increasingly more double and now triple clicks > with this mouse. I just upgraded the driver and that didn't help. > Any suggestions? > -- > David R. Boag, DDS > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070701/515e0134/attachment-0001.html From spikedds at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 1 19:22:22 2007 From: spikedds at bellsouth.net (David R.Boag) Date: Sun Jul 1 19:22:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari Beta & Dashboard/Expose--Updated In-Reply-To: <036E93A1-17D0-43D3-ABE0-9F64787D208F@bellsouth.net> References: <036E93A1-17D0-43D3-ABE0-9F64787D208F@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <817564E3-722C-4ED8-B550-3AE40DF4EBE3@bellsouth.net> Just an update on this continuing problem. This weekend, I purchased the Bluetooth wireless Mighty Mouse from Apple. I removed the Microshaft Intellipoint driver software from my HD, and the mouse function is great. However, the Dashboard & Expose preferences continue to reset themselves. AND, not only that, but I had set the scroll wheel button on the MM to pull up the Dashboard, and those prefs were also reset to their defaults. I have not yet played with an alternate user--haven't hade the time yet, but will do so soon. Anyone know which pref files I should try to trash based upon these findings and where they are located? TIA -- David R. Boag, DDS On Jun 26, 2007, at 11:35 PM, David R. Boag wrote: > Ever since I installed the Safari Beta, my Dashboard & Expose > preferences get reset. I have to go into system preferences and re- > enter all of the F9-12 shortcuts after every restart. > > Anyone have any suggestions as to how to correct this? > > -- > David R. Boag, DDS > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070701/e0ef586d/attachment.html From puterwhiz at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 20:21:03 2007 From: puterwhiz at gmail.com (Ken Hagen) Date: Sun Jul 1 20:21:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] SafariWoes! Message-ID: <19d59e2f0707012021v7885c4acu650969cd422cb0b4@mail.gmail.com> I'm kind of new to this so bear with me.... I went to the OS X downloads site and it said that Safari 3.02 is in Public Beta. Why not uninstall that one and reinstall Safari 2.0.4? From arvee.klesk at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 03:46:12 2007 From: arvee.klesk at gmail.com (Arvee Klesk) Date: Sun Jul 1 20:40:52 2007 Subject: [X4U] Documents issue Message-ID: <000501c7bc5a$b7ecdaa0$1555a8c0@nd1ced6d1e0d24> Hi list. When I make a text file (.txt or .rtf) on Mac OS X and take it to a Windows machine it shows a character (exactly, a vertical rectangle) instead of a return / end-of-line (EOL). In Mac, I'm using Unicode, on Windows, ANSI. It's an issue with the EOL of each OS or the charset itself ??? Thanks. PS: Documents made in Windows doesn't show this character, so I thought it can be the specific way to manage the EOL in each OS. From arvee.klesk at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 05:58:53 2007 From: arvee.klesk at gmail.com (Arvee Klesk) Date: Sun Jul 1 20:40:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] .DS_Store and .localized Message-ID: <000601c7bc5a$bb76ebc0$1555a8c0@nd1ced6d1e0d24> Someone can explain me the behavior of .DS_Store and .localized files, seems they appear when something is made in a subdir or volume (partition)...thanks in advance. Cheers / Me From randy at macattorney.com Sun Jul 1 22:52:32 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Sun Jul 1 22:52:45 2007 Subject: [X4U] Documents issue In-Reply-To: <000501c7bc5a$b7ecdaa0$1555a8c0@nd1ced6d1e0d24> References: <000501c7bc5a$b7ecdaa0$1555a8c0@nd1ced6d1e0d24> Message-ID: <37366FB3-6274-480F-ABC6-E2A96261F5AC@macattorney.com> On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:46 AM, Arvee Klesk wrote: > Hi list. When I make a text file (.txt or .rtf) on Mac OS X and > take it to a Windows machine it shows a character (exactly, a > vertical rectangle) instead of a return / end-of-line (EOL). In > Mac, I'm using Unicode, on Windows, ANSI. It's an issue with the > EOL of each OS or the charset itself ??? I handle this by running the text document through Tex-Edit Plus (not to be confused with Apple's TextEdit): http://www.tex-edit.com/ and choosing "Add CR's/LF's" (which means "add character returns and line feeds.) In Tex-Edit Plus, this is in the Special menu --> Quick Modify. I believe that using TextWrangler and setting the text encoding to UTF-8 does the same thing. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From randy at macattorney.com Sun Jul 1 23:46:24 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Sun Jul 1 23:46:38 2007 Subject: [X4U] Documents issue In-Reply-To: <37366FB3-6274-480F-ABC6-E2A96261F5AC@macattorney.com> References: <000501c7bc5a$b7ecdaa0$1555a8c0@nd1ced6d1e0d24> <37366FB3-6274-480F-ABC6-E2A96261F5AC@macattorney.com> Message-ID: On Jul 1, 2007, at 10:52 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote: > I believe that using TextWrangler and setting the text encoding to > UTF-8 does the same thing. I'm sorry, I believe that setting text encoding to UTF-8 is the opposite of what you need. That will *strip* the carriage returns and line feeds. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From janmel at mac.com Mon Jul 2 00:07:13 2007 From: janmel at mac.com (Jan Melichar) Date: Mon Jul 2 00:07:34 2007 Subject: [X4U] iPod/iTunes problem Message-ID: <9A146482-71F8-43D4-8B82-208634554E28@mac.com> Long story but all iTune files on my computer have passed on; Most of it does not matter, I have the CDs but the podcasts which I have no other copies of sit happily on the iPod. Idealy I would also like to have them in iTunes so that I could set up automatic synching as before (or in case the iPod gets lost) but I cannot see how to get the files from the iPod to anywhwere else. I can't burn them onto a cd, can't copy them in iTunes and accesing them via the finder only reveales an odd and apparently incomplete collection. I would appreciate some help or am I trying the impossible or missing something obvious. The iPod is pre photo with wheel and buttons below screen. System etc all the latest version. Jan From ronsteinke at mac.com Mon Jul 2 00:31:52 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Mon Jul 2 00:37:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] iPod/iTunes problem In-Reply-To: <9A146482-71F8-43D4-8B82-208634554E28@mac.com> References: <9A146482-71F8-43D4-8B82-208634554E28@mac.com> Message-ID: <6A34CDB7-9B25-403C-A53A-1933A275D8E6@mac.com> On 2 Jul, 2007, at 12:07 AM, Jan Melichar wrote: > Idealy I would also like to have them in iTunes Have you thought of "Senuti" as a method of moving the contents of your iPod to your Mac hard drive? I have used it to copy my play list to a second Mac but not to copy any other type of file, so I can't positively recommend it for that purpose. It might or might not work, but it's worth a try if you have no other backup file. From faramineux at comcast.net Mon Jul 2 03:33:32 2007 From: faramineux at comcast.net (faramineux) Date: Mon Jul 2 03:33:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] SafariWoes! In-Reply-To: <19d59e2f0707012021v7885c4acu650969cd422cb0b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <19d59e2f0707012021v7885c4acu650969cd422cb0b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9688EEF9-48EF-4797-8AAE-3C1E0B054167@comcast.net> On Jul 1, 2007, at 11:21 PM, Ken Hagen wrote: > I'm kind of new to this so bear with me.... > > I went to the OS X downloads site and it said that Safari 3.02 is in > Public Beta. Why not uninstall that one and reinstall Safari 2.0.4? That was definitely my last option but in the mean time I found the culprit: Piclens. So the 10.4.10 was NOT the culprit. But updating to .10 caused the problem. It depends on what you really mean by "is". :). I went back to the Apple Forums and found a thread I had not seen yesterday in which someone mentioned Piclens was the culprit. Since I do not use it I forgot I had it. This also explains why when someone wrote: Get rid of all your plugins, I said I had none. For people who like Piclens, I for one never cared for it, there is an update that fixes the conflict between the new update and Piclens apparently. From janmel at mac.com Mon Jul 2 03:34:28 2007 From: janmel at mac.com (Jan Melichar) Date: Mon Jul 2 03:34:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] iPod/iTunes problem In-Reply-To: <6A34CDB7-9B25-403C-A53A-1933A275D8E6@mac.com> References: <9A146482-71F8-43D4-8B82-208634554E28@mac.com> <6A34CDB7-9B25-403C-A53A-1933A275D8E6@mac.com> Message-ID: On 2 Jul 2007, at 08:31, Ronald Steinke wrote: > On 2 Jul, 2007, at 12:07 AM, Jan Melichar wrote: > >> Ideally I would also like to have them in iTunes > > Have you thought of "Senuti" as a method of moving the contents of > your iPod to your Mac hard drive? I have used it to copy my play > list to a second Mac but not to copy any other type of file, so I > can't positively recommend it for that purpose. It might or might > not work, but it's worth a try if you have no other backup file. Thanks. That worked almost flawlessly. I note in "Senuti" introductory page that its says that there are "many" ways to do this. Since I tried quite a few that did not work I would still like to know about some of these 'other' ways if anyone knows them. Jan From tnoel at mac.com Mon Jul 2 08:36:15 2007 From: tnoel at mac.com (Thomas Noel) Date: Mon Jul 2 08:36:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] iPod/iTunes problem In-Reply-To: References: <9A146482-71F8-43D4-8B82-208634554E28@mac.com> <6A34CDB7-9B25-403C-A53A-1933A275D8E6@mac.com> Message-ID: The directories that hold the files on the iPod are mostly made invisible to the Finder in Mac OS X. They are easily seen from the command line with the usual tools to list and copy files. On Jul 2, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Jan Melichar wrote: > > On 2 Jul 2007, at 08:31, Ronald Steinke wrote: > >> On 2 Jul, 2007, at 12:07 AM, Jan Melichar wrote: >> >>> Ideally I would also like to have them in iTunes >> >> Have you thought of "Senuti" as a method of moving the contents of >> your iPod to your Mac hard drive? I have used it to copy my play >> list to a second Mac but not to copy any other type of file, so I >> can't positively recommend it for that purpose. It might or might >> not work, but it's worth a try if you have no other backup file. > > Thanks. That worked almost flawlessly. I note in "Senuti" > introductory page that its says that there are "many" ways to do > this. Since I tried quite a few that did not work I would still > like to know about some of these 'other' ways if anyone knows them. > > Jan > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From janmel at mac.com Mon Jul 2 08:43:34 2007 From: janmel at mac.com (Jan Melichar) Date: Mon Jul 2 08:43:49 2007 Subject: [X4U] iPod/iTunes problem In-Reply-To: References: <9A146482-71F8-43D4-8B82-208634554E28@mac.com> <6A34CDB7-9B25-403C-A53A-1933A275D8E6@mac.com> Message-ID: <1B1FFE35-FC9E-4E9A-98EC-60FFB872CEA1@mac.com> Thanks for the tip. In fact I used TinkerTool to make them visible but quite apart from their names bearing no helpful relation to what I was after after copying them over to the computer I could get only a few to appear in iTunes; it was all a bit odd and frustrating when I thought I was being so clever! What are the 'usual tools to list and copy files' Jan On 2 Jul 2007, at 16:36, Thomas Noel wrote: > The directories that hold the files on the iPod are mostly made > invisible to the Finder in Mac OS X. > They are easily seen from the command line with the usual tools to > list and copy files. > > > On Jul 2, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Jan Melichar wrote: > >> >> On 2 Jul 2007, at 08:31, Ronald Steinke wrote: >> >>> On 2 Jul, 2007, at 12:07 AM, Jan Melichar wrote: >>> >>>> Ideally I would also like to have them in iTunes >>> >>> Have you thought of "Senuti" as a method of moving the contents >>> of your iPod to your Mac hard drive? I have used it to copy my >>> play list to a second Mac but not to copy any other type of file, >>> so I can't positively recommend it for that purpose. It might or >>> might not work, but it's worth a try if you have no other backup >>> file. >> >> Thanks. That worked almost flawlessly. I note in "Senuti" >> introductory page that its says that there are "many" ways to do >> this. Since I tried quite a few that did not work I would still >> like to know about some of these 'other' ways if anyone knows them. >> >> Jan >> _______________________________________________ >> X4U mailing list >> X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >> http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u >> >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Jul 2 16:49:47 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Jul 2 16:49:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] iPod/iTunes problem Message-ID: On 7/2/07 5:34 AM, Jan Melichar wrote: > I note in "Senuti" > introductory page that its says that there are "many" ways to do > this. Since I tried quite a few that did not work I would still like > to know about some of these 'other' ways if anyone knows them. elipodo is another. From baltwo at san.rr.com Mon Jul 2 17:39:08 2007 From: baltwo at san.rr.com (John Baltutis) Date: Mon Jul 2 17:41:40 2007 Subject: [X4U] .DS_Store and .localized In-Reply-To: <20070702103455.9FEC0FD9DD1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> References: <20070702103455.9FEC0FD9DD1@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 07/02/07, "Arvee Klesk" wrote: [X4U] .DS_Store and .localized> > Someone can explain me the behavior of .DS_Store and .localized files, seems > they appear when something is made in a subdir or volume > (partition)...thanks in advance. The .DS_Store file remembers the Finder window settings for each and every folder opened in OS X. IIRC, the .localized file only gets populated if you use multiple languages via the International prefPane. Don't know why you're asking, but don't muck with them. From michaelelliott at mac.com Wed Jul 4 20:18:23 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Wed Jul 4 20:18:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] iPod/iTunes problem In-Reply-To: <1B1FFE35-FC9E-4E9A-98EC-60FFB872CEA1@mac.com> References: <9A146482-71F8-43D4-8B82-208634554E28@mac.com> <6A34CDB7-9B25-403C-A53A-1933A275D8E6@mac.com> <1B1FFE35-FC9E-4E9A-98EC-60FFB872CEA1@mac.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure, but I think that the reason for the obfuscation is part of the anti-piracy concessions that allowed the iTunes store in the first place. Basically, Apple makes it easy to move data from computer-->iPod, but difficult in the other direction. I believe that authors of these iPod tools like Senuti have had to make updates because Apple changes the way the iPod stores data in order to prevent just what you're doing. Can anyone corroborate this or shed more light on it? Michael On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Jan Melichar wrote: > Thanks for the tip. In fact I used TinkerTool to make them visible > but quite apart from their names bearing no helpful relation to > what I was after after copying them over to the computer I could > get only a few to appear in iTunes; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070704/8eb2a66f/attachment.html From XPressoBean at mac.com Wed Jul 4 20:33:45 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Wed Jul 4 20:33:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] iPod/iTunes problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/4/07 10:18 PM, Michael Elliott wrote: > I'm not sure, but I think that the reason for the?obfuscation is part of the > anti-piracy concessions that allowed the iTunes store in the first place. Yep. You can only play purchased iTunes music on up to 5 computers authorized to your account. You can put the music on an unlimited number of iPods, but you can't move the music back off the iPod onto another computer -- and if you back up your computer you shouldn't need to move the music off the iPod onto your own computer (I pass no judgment on anyone who doesn't back up, I'm only repeating the "party line"). This is all part of the digital rights management. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070704/c901226c/attachment.html From douglist at macnauchtan.com Fri Jul 6 10:47:14 2007 From: douglist at macnauchtan.com (Doug McNutt) Date: Fri Jul 6 10:47:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] Update Numbering In-Reply-To: <467BF2F3.3090603@dslextreme.com> References: <467BF2F3.3090603@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: At 09:04 -0700 6/22/07, keith_w wrote: >Richard Gilmore wrote: >>But mathematically 10.4.1 and 10.4.10 are the same amount. There is actually a lot to all of the dotted decimal stuff that's strange. Start with your international settings which can make dots into commas. "Natural order" sorting of file names as used by Finder does tricks with numbers that make xxx.10.txt appear after xxx.9.txt when simple ASCII sorting would do otherwise. It can be a pain if you also use the ls command and expect a match of orders. But what about "1.1" and "1.01"? What about "1 2/3" vs "5/3"? "1.3E-27"? Does everyone know that, as IP addresses, 100.100.100.010 is not the same as 100.100.100.10? It turns out that the 010 is interpreted as octal in good old C conventions so the first IP gets read as 100.100.100.8 by internet software. IP v6 will use hexadecimal numbers as a default. Just don't trust "numbers" with multiple decimal points unless you really study what's the programmers have in mind. -- --> From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. <-- From magicmiles at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 14:48:49 2007 From: magicmiles at gmail.com (m i l e s) Date: Fri Jul 6 14:49:00 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: APC 9212 For Sale Message-ID: <120380D2-AAF1-41D5-AED5-A883AE0E0984@gmail.com> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sys/367172606.html From brett.conlon at sonydadc.com Fri Jul 6 15:50:52 2007 From: brett.conlon at sonydadc.com (Brett Conlon) Date: Fri Jul 6 15:52:14 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: APC 9212 For Sale In-Reply-To: <120380D2-AAF1-41D5-AED5-A883AE0E0984@gmail.com> Message-ID: Have we just been SPAM'd??? Orff with his heeeaaaddd! Coj m i l e s Sent by: x4u-bounces@listserver.themacintoshguy.com 07/07/07 07:48 AM Please respond to "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." To "A place to discuss Mac OS X for the casual user." cc Subject [X4U] OT: APC 9212 For Sale http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sys/3671724327606.html _______________________________________________ X4U mailing list X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070707/53e58673/attachment-0001.html From netkat at comcast.net Fri Jul 6 15:53:33 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Fri Jul 6 15:53:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: APC 9212 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yep. we have just been spammed. From nickscalise at cox.net Fri Jul 6 16:31:30 2007 From: nickscalise at cox.net (Nick Scalise) Date: Fri Jul 6 16:31:37 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: APC 9212 For Sale In-Reply-To: <120380D2-AAF1-41D5-AED5-A883AE0E0984@gmail.com> References: <120380D2-AAF1-41D5-AED5-A883AE0E0984@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yet, if you go to the spammers listing, on there it states: "it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests" Imagine that, the spammer not wanting to be spammed. I guess it's OK for Miles to contact ALL OF US though. On Jul 6, 2007, at 4:48 PM, m i l e s wrote: > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sys/367172606.html -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net From magicmiles at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 16:34:46 2007 From: magicmiles at gmail.com (m i l e s) Date: Fri Jul 6 16:34:55 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: APC 9212 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <120380D2-AAF1-41D5-AED5-A883AE0E0984@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ff20e220707061634j776488b1kc2ee97736381fc00@mail.gmail.com> Hi, My apologies folks. I shouldn't have posted that here. It was a misclick. I didn't see the msgs come through that folks were complaining. So my apologies for posting. That was not my intent. Please forgive the listmailing. Sincerely, M i l e s. From list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net Fri Jul 6 18:10:35 2007 From: list-themacintoshguy at fsck.net (Eugene) Date: Fri Jul 6 18:10:57 2007 Subject: [X4U] Update Numbering In-Reply-To: References: <467BF2F3.3090603@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: <20070707011035.GF351@user-12lmfba.cable.mindspring.com> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 12:47:14PM CDT, Doug McNutt wrote: : >Richard Gilmore wrote: : >> : >>But mathematically 10.4.1 and 10.4.10 are the same amount. : : There is actually a lot to all of the dotted decimal stuff that's strange. And in contrast, most countries (especially European) use the comma as a decimal separator. So those nations would see "10.4.1" and "10.4.10" as two strings, not two oddball fractional decimal numbers. -- Eugene http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ From ronsteinke at mac.com Sat Jul 7 00:16:41 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sat Jul 7 00:22:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: APC 9212 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22F0AC75-3BA3-414E-8301-A6587910A06C@mac.com> On 6 Jul, 2007, at 3:53 PM, nk wrote: > yep. we have just been spammed. Au contraire, mon ami. We have been "solicited" by a semi-anonymous member to purchase a piece of his no-longer-needed equipment. There is a difference between being spammed and being solicited, but I have to look very carefully to see it. From XPressoBean at mac.com Sat Jul 7 07:42:34 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sat Jul 7 07:42:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/6/07 5:53 PM, nk wrote: > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 How is it spam when ListMom's own "for sale" line -- though outdated -- is at the end of every message? It would seem, to the casual observer, to be perfectly acceptable behavior, no? :-) From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sat Jul 7 10:42:30 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sat Jul 7 10:42:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468FD086.8000004@dslextreme.com> Linda wrote: > On 7/6/07 5:53 PM, nk wrote: > >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > How is it spam when ListMom's own "for sale" line -- though outdated -- is > at the end of every message? It would seem, to the casual observer, to be > perfectly acceptable behavior, no? :-) Yup! What's good for the goose is good for the gander. It's either allowed or it's NOT! I can see no reason for a special dispensation for anyone. E Pluribus Unum, and all that... keith whaley From colin at eleventhvolume.com Sat Jul 7 11:10:59 2007 From: colin at eleventhvolume.com (eleventhvolume) Date: Sat Jul 7 11:11:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] Webcam enquiry Message-ID: Dear List, I'm very happily equipped with a built-in camera on my MacBook Pro, but I want to video conference with someone on a Mac Mini - does anybody have any recommendations/advice for a webcam to fit that machine? I don't think it has a mic, so would need that too. Thanks for any help you can give. All the best, Colin. http://www.eleventhvolume.com http://www.musicinterfaces.com http://www.hardformat.org From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 11:30:23 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 11:30:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <468FD086.8000004@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/07 1:42 PM, "keith_w" wrote: > It's either allowed or it's NOT! I can see no reason for a special > dispensation for anyone. It's the ListMom's List. His List, His Rules. No exceptions. > E Pluribus Unum, and all that... And what does "Out of many, (is) One" have to do with this (or any other) list? You may be mistaking this (or any other) list for a democracy. It most certainly is not. If we are lucky, it's a benign dictatorship. There is no "freedom of speech" on a mailing list. To paraphrase, "we post at the pleasure of the ListMom". If the ListMom dictates we must all append "The ListMom is God" at the beginning and end of each post, we must do so or leave the list. If he wants to sell his stuff on the list and not allow anyone else to sell their stuff, that's his prerogative. Just as it is ours to not like his rules and leave the list - possibly to start our own. I'll repeat - His List, His Rules. QED. -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From explorerguy at mac.com Sat Jul 7 11:37:48 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Sat Jul 7 11:37:52 2007 Subject: [X4U] Webcam enquiry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:10 PM, eleventhvolume wrote: > > Dear List, > > I'm very happily equipped with a built-in camera on my MacBook Pro, > but I > want to video conference with someone on a Mac Mini - does anybody > have any > recommendations/advice for a webcam to fit that machine? I don't > think it > has a mic, so would need that too. > > Thanks for any help you can give. > > All the best, Colin. http://www.ecamm.com/mac/imagewebcam/ I have two of these, and they work well - and are relatively inexpensive. HTH, Jerry From keith_w at dslextreme.com Sat Jul 7 11:53:31 2007 From: keith_w at dslextreme.com (keith_w) Date: Sat Jul 7 11:53:29 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468FE12B.3080904@dslextreme.com> Shawn King wrote: > > > On 7/7/07 1:42 PM, "keith_w" wrote: > >> It's either allowed or it's NOT! I can see no reason for a special >> dispensation for anyone. > It's the ListMom's List. His List, His Rules. No exceptions. [...] > You may be mistaking this (or any other) list for a democracy. It most > certainly is not. If we are lucky, it's a benign dictatorship. > > There is no "freedom of speech" on a mailing list. To paraphrase, "we post > at the pleasure of the ListMom". If the ListMom dictates we must all append > "The ListMom is God" at the beginning and end of each post, we must do so or > leave the list. > > If he wants to sell his stuff on the list and not allow anyone else to sell > their stuff, that's his prerogative. Just as it is ours to not like his > rules and leave the list - possibly to start our own. > > I'll repeat - His List, His Rules. QED. Yeah, it sure seemed that way to me too. Just as if I were a member of a country who had a dictator, and if I could find a way, I'd opt out of being a member of such a group under such a person. So...I'll put my money where my mouth is. My very next post will be to opt out of this otherwise fine list. Sayonara, muchachos... Fun while it lasted and all that. keith whaley keith_w@dslextreme.com From lists at mac.com Sat Jul 7 11:21:38 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sat Jul 7 12:22:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] Webcam enquiry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F648A01-846E-47AB-821A-F240ADEC6B11@mac.com> I think iChat will work with any Firewire camcorder. On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:10 PM, eleventhvolume wrote: > does anybody have any > recommendations/advice for a webcam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070707/70a6b308/attachment-0001.html From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 12:24:39 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 12:24:49 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <468FE12B.3080904@dslextreme.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/07 2:53 PM, "keith_w" wrote: > So...I'll put my money where my mouth is. > > My very next post will be to opt out of this otherwise fine list. > > Sayonara, muchachos... Fun while it lasted and all that. LOL And if you would unsub from a list for something as minor as this, what does that say about you and your participation in such a list? -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From edgould1948 at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 12:47:37 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Sat Jul 7 12:47:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AC589EC-1501-4518-9717-1E92158CA5E6@comcast.net> On Jul 7, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Shawn King wrote: -----------SNIP > > There is no "freedom of speech" on a mailing list. To paraphrase, > "we post > at the pleasure of the ListMom". If the ListMom dictates we must > all append > "The ListMom is God" at the beginning and end of each post, we must > do so or > leave the list. > > If he wants to sell his stuff on the list and not allow anyone else > to sell > their stuff, that's his prerogative. Just as it is ours to not like > his > rules and leave the list - possibly to start our own. > > I'll repeat - His List, His Rules. QED. ---------SNIP True at the same time the list can move someplace else which is not a dictatorship. Ed From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 12:58:54 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 12:59:03 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <4AC589EC-1501-4518-9717-1E92158CA5E6@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 7/7/07 3:47 PM, "Ed Gould" wrote: > True at the same time the list can move someplace else which is not a > dictatorship. Yes - but don't expect most other mailing lists to be much different. Go ahead - set up a mailing list and try to run it like a "democracy" (and some folks will have to look up what that word *really* means). I guarantee that, within a year, it devolves into anarchy. Folks, this is a tempest in a teapot - there are *lots* of other places on the web to sell your stuff. I hear this little out of the way corner of the Net called "eBay" is kinda popular with the kids. Don't know if it will take off though. :) -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From edgould1948 at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 13:08:02 2007 From: edgould1948 at comcast.net (Ed Gould) Date: Sat Jul 7 13:08:23 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Shawn King wrote: > > > > On 7/7/07 3:47 PM, "Ed Gould" wrote: > >> True at the same time the list can move someplace else which is not a >> dictatorship. > > Yes - but don't expect most other mailing lists to be much different. I am on quite a few and yes there are rules. But the owner abides by them:) Ed > > Go ahead - set up a mailing list and try to run it like a > "democracy" (and > some folks will have to look up what that word *really* means). I > guarantee > that, within a year, it devolves into anarchy. > > Folks, this is a tempest in a teapot - there are *lots* of other > places on > the web to sell your stuff. I hear this little out of the way > corner of the > Net called "eBay" is kinda popular with the kids. Don't know if it > will take > off though. > > :) > -- > Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) > Host/Executive Producer > Your Mac Life > http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 13:12:35 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 13:12:42 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/7/07 4:08 PM, "Ed Gould" wrote: >> Yes - but don't expect most other mailing lists to be much different. > > I am on quite a few and yes there are rules. But the owner abides by > them:) And, conversely, can break them any time he wants. Like I said, His List - His Rules. This really is no big deal but some folks seem to want to make it that. Go right ahead - I'm done. I've made my point. -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From rfcee at earthlink.net Sat Jul 7 13:12:40 2007 From: rfcee at earthlink.net (Ray Choiniere) Date: Sat Jul 7 13:12:53 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all; I very rarely contribute, but I must say that Shawn's comments are so perfectly sensible and realistic that I simply want to say "Yes indeed, Shawn!" (I mean, a little rationality is a good thing; even if we don't want to get TOO rational.) Oh, and how are you liking the iPhone, Shawn? Ray On Jul 7, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Shawn King wrote: > It's the ListMom's List. His List, His Rules. No exceptions. > >> E Pluribus Unum, and all that... > > And what does "Out of many, (is) One" have to do with this (or any > other) > list? > > You may be mistaking this (or any other) list for a democracy. It most > certainly is not. If we are lucky, it's a benign dictatorship. > > There is no "freedom of speech" on a mailing list. To paraphrase, > "we post > at the pleasure of the ListMom". If the ListMom dictates we must > all append > "The ListMom is God" at the beginning and end of each post, we must > do so or > leave the list. > > If he wants to sell his stuff on the list and not allow anyone else > to sell > their stuff, that's his prerogative. Just as it is ours to not like > his > rules and leave the list - possibly to start our own. > > I'll repeat - His List, His Rules. QED. > > -- > Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) > Host/Executive Producer > Your Mac Life > http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 13:23:45 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 13:23:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/7/07 4:12 PM, "Ray Choiniere" wrote: > Oh, and how are you liking the iPhone, Shawn? Quirky, lacking some features and occasionally aggravating (apps on it *do* crash) but, all that having been said, it's still the coolest phone you'll ever use. :) -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From gene at macnightowl.com Sat Jul 7 13:25:32 2007 From: gene at macnightowl.com (Gene Steinberg) Date: Sat Jul 7 13:25:55 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/7/07 12:58 PM, "Shawn King" wrote: > Yes - but don't expect most other mailing lists to be much different. > > Go ahead - set up a mailing list and try to run it like a "democracy" (and > some folks will have to look up what that word *really* means). I guarantee > that, within a year, it devolves into anarchy. > > Folks, this is a tempest in a teapot - there are *lots* of other places on > the web to sell your stuff. I hear this little out of the way corner of the > Net called "eBay" is kinda popular with the kids. Don't know if it will take > off though. > > :) Hi Shawn :) I hope you're enjoying your new toy. Apropos to nothing, where do you think one should post messages if you want to sell something? _ _ _ _ Peace, Gene Steinberg Publisher/Editor, The Mac Night Owl http://www.macnightowl.com. Host, The Tech Night Owl LIVE http://www.techbroadcasting.com Co-host, The Paracast http://www.theparacast.com Co-author, "Attack of the Rockoids" http://www.rockoids.com From netkat at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 13:29:51 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Sat Jul 7 13:30:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0b6eaac86dd0d9317930df3f66df26a5@comcast.net> On Jul 7, 2007, at 12:58 PM, Shawn King wrote: > Folks, this is a tempest in a teapot - there are *lots* of other > places on > the web to sell your stuff. yeah..namely Craigslist, as the other day's accidental post showed.. nk From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 13:40:38 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 13:40:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/7/07 4:25 PM, "Gene Steinberg" wrote: > I hope you're enjoying your new toy. Just cause it's fun to use doesn't make it a toy. Matter of fact, if it *were* a toy, I wouldn't have bought it. :) > Apropos to nothing, where do you think one should post messages if you want > to sell something? As someone else mentioned, there's CraigsList. Or your local MUG group, local classifieds, etc. -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From gene at macnightowl.com Sat Jul 7 13:48:49 2007 From: gene at macnightowl.com (Gene Steinberg) Date: Sat Jul 7 13:48:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/7/07 1:40 PM, "Shawn King" wrote: > Just cause it's fun to use doesn't make it a toy. > > Matter of fact, if it *were* a toy, I wouldn't have bought it. :) > Nothing wrong with toys that do good things :) _ _ _ _ Peace, Gene Steinberg Publisher/Editor, The Mac Night Owl http://www.macnightowl.com. Host, The Tech Night Owl LIVE http://www.techbroadcasting.com Co-host, The Paracast http://www.theparacast.com Co-author, "Attack of the Rockoids" http://www.rockoids.com From ronsteinke at mac.com Sat Jul 7 13:54:28 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sat Jul 7 14:00:27 2007 Subject: [X4U] Bragging Rights for Shawn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A919025-285B-4C1C-867C-1AA381678F1F@mac.com> On 7 Jul, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Shawn King wrote: > Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Everybody must now acknowledge that Shawn has "bragging rights" 'cause he (I think) is the first to indicate that he spent more money than I can afford to right now. Envy, envy, envy! How is it performing, Shawn? Did you have any of the problems in activation that I have read about? From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 14:21:58 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 14:22:07 2007 Subject: [X4U] Bragging Rights for Shawn In-Reply-To: <5A919025-285B-4C1C-867C-1AA381678F1F@mac.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/07 4:54 PM, "Ronald Steinke" wrote: > On 7 Jul, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Shawn King wrote: > >> Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) > > Everybody must now acknowledge that Shawn has "bragging rights" > 'cause he (I think) is the first to indicate that he spent more money > than I can afford to right now. LOL It gets worse - we bought *2*. :) But I justify it by saying, because of my show, I need to be "better informed" than my audience.....No? OK..how about this? Macworld.com paid me to write an article: Ahead of the iPhone launch (we had access to an iPhone before the official launch) and to go to the 5th Ave Apple Store to shoot video: So the two iPhones cost less than they normally would have. :) > How is it performing, Shawn? Even with the various (mostly minor) issues, I'm using it even more than I expected and enjoying it a lot. > Did you have any of the problems in activation that I have read about? Yup - 6 of us bought iPhones at the same time. 5 of them had their phones activated within 30 mins. It took *26+* hrs for mine to be activated. :( -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From mapeterson42 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 14:26:57 2007 From: mapeterson42 at gmail.com (Michael Peterson) Date: Sat Jul 7 14:27:04 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6fed1890707071426haf95e2brabb4198f51b190e3@mail.gmail.com> Did I miss something? Did the listmom appear and say this wasn't allowed? I saw a comment from someone else, but maybe I just haven't made it to the post that said this wasn't allowed from the listmom. Haven't we occasionally seen someone do this in the past as well? Again not saying it's right/wrong/whatever, I'm just trying to figure out how we ended up with "Listmom said". :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070707/43c810c6/attachment.html From ronsteinke at mac.com Sat Jul 7 14:27:55 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sat Jul 7 14:33:55 2007 Subject: [X4U] Bragging Rights for Shawn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D49D19C-E303-435E-9769-2071D6170F3E@mac.com> On 7 Jul, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Shawn King wrote: > LOL It gets worse - we bought *2*. :) What's your address? ps: don't walk near any big bushes or alley entrances late at night. Any indication why it took YOUR phone that long to activate? Could it have been the "excuse" that the papers printed - overloaded system - or do you think it was in the phone? Two members of my local MUG bought theirs on the 29th and were up and running within minutes. They didn't stand in line, so they were left with only the 4Gb models. They brought them to our BoD meeting and were awarded immediate "bragging rights" for the night. Three of us tried to wait for them in the parking lot, but they both RAN to their cars and locked the doors. From tlmiller at mac.com Sat Jul 7 14:39:34 2007 From: tlmiller at mac.com (T.L. Miller) Date: Sat Jul 7 14:39:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070707213934.1725523642@smtp.mac.com> On 7/7/07, at 4:40 PM, Shawn King shawn@yourmaclifeshow.com said: >As someone else mentioned, there's CraigsList. Or your local MUG group, >local classifieds, etc. I have had terrific luck selling my old Macs on eBay. I have sold 5 or 6 in recent years. Tried selling in my MUG's newsletter w/o success. Tom Miller .................................................. "The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side." R.O.Clark ................................................... From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 14:44:32 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 14:44:43 2007 Subject: [X4U] Bragging Rights for Shawn In-Reply-To: <2D49D19C-E303-435E-9769-2071D6170F3E@mac.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/07 5:27 PM, "Ronald Steinke" wrote: > On 7 Jul, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Shawn King wrote: > >> LOL It gets worse - we bought *2*. :) > > What's your address? Come on down - I'm 6'3", 260lbs, grew up in a bad neighborhood and used to kickbox - professionally. I am *not* "your average geek. :) My wife is from Texas and *heavily* armed - somewhere in our house are 4 handguns (I'm Canadian so I don't care where they are :) ). :) > ps: don't walk near any big bushes or alley entrances late at night. See above. :) > Any indication why it took YOUR phone that long to activate? Could it > have been the "excuse" that the papers printed - overloaded system - > or do you think it was in the phone? Nope - "Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity" - AT&T was just swamped. > They brought them to our BoD meeting and > were awarded immediate "bragging rights" for the night. LOL -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From netkat at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 15:03:23 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Sat Jul 7 15:03:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT:Net Neutrality: R.I.P. Message-ID: a friend just tossed me this link. not good... http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/06/ftc-abandons-net-neutrality/ From lists at mac.com Sat Jul 7 14:08:14 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sat Jul 7 15:08:35 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E5E6EC1-24C7-4296-9E0B-5819A9E68BD0@mac.com> I know most people were able to activate in minutes, but I have had my phone now for 30 hours and I still can't get iTunes to even see that the iPhone is attached. System Profiler sees it fine though. Bummer. I have a thread at discussions.apple.com, but nobody has been able to help yet. It looks like an Apple issue though, so it isn't too far off topic for this list. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4892943#4892943 On Jul 7, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Shawn King wrote: > On 7/7/07 4:12 PM, "Ray Choiniere" wrote: > >> Oh, and how are you liking the iPhone, Shawn? > > Quirky, lacking some features and occasionally aggravating (apps on > it *do* > crash) but, all that having been said, it's still the coolest phone > you'll > ever use. :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070707/85971bb5/attachment.html From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 15:09:41 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 15:09:48 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <8E5E6EC1-24C7-4296-9E0B-5819A9E68BD0@mac.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/07 5:08 PM, "Neil" wrote: > I know most people were able to activate in minutes, but I have had > my phone now for 30 hours and I still can't get iTunes to even see > that the iPhone is attached. Did you download the latest version (7.3) of iTunes? It's required for the iPhone to work.... -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From lists at mac.com Sat Jul 7 14:10:28 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sat Jul 7 15:10:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT:Net Neutrality: R.I.P. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If this means that AT&T offers cable TV channels on a faster network, I wont complain if other channels don't have access to the same extra speed. I hope it doesn't mean that other sites get sent to something slower than the network I'm on now. On Jul 7, 2007, at 6:03 PM, nk wrote: > a friend just tossed me this link. > > not good... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070707/b1da4cee/attachment-0001.html From colin at eleventhvolume.com Sat Jul 7 15:11:46 2007 From: colin at eleventhvolume.com (eleventhvolume) Date: Sat Jul 7 15:11:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] Webcam enquiry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks Neil and Jerry! All the best, Colin. http://www.eleventhvolume.com http://www.musicinterfaces.com http://www.hardformat.org From netkat at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 18:03:28 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Sat Jul 7 18:03:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT:Net Neutrality: R.I.P. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Neil wrote: > If? this means that AT&T offers cable TV channels on a faster network, > I wont complain if other channels don't have access to the same extra > speed.? I hope it doesn't mean that other sites get sent to something > slower than the network I'm on now. > it might give you faster entertainment, but the overall significance is that those with more money get faster throughput than those with less money, thereby negating the "level playing field" of and equal access to the internet. nk From petez at mac.com Sat Jul 7 18:13:24 2007 From: petez at mac.com (Peter Zimowski) Date: Sat Jul 7 18:13:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] Sent From My iPhone... In-Reply-To: <2D49D19C-E303-435E-9769-2071D6170F3E@mac.com> References: <2D49D19C-E303-435E-9769-2071D6170F3E@mac.com> Message-ID: <08DCEDA0-0113-1000-8641-6B1CF05C18CF-Webmail-10017@mac.com> Thought I'd weigh in with my iPhone experience.... My wife and I lined up outside an AT&T store in sleepy Cooks Corner, Maine (halfway between Brunswick and Bath on Rte. 1 - you know the place) at 1:00 PM on iDay. A couple of folks from our local MUG (MMOOS - Maine Macintosh Owners & Operators Society) were there as well, so we took up the first six places in line. By 4:00 PM there were 20+ folks there. Several of the people were on their way to vacation homes up the coast before the holiday weekend, and smartly chose an "out in the boonies" store to plant themselves in front of. Right at 4:30 PM the doors closed, and the AT&T folks set up the iPhone display and spent a lot of time themselves playing with the two demo units. I think they were a bit unsure as to what to do with the crowd - the last time there was any kind of crowd in that area was when a bank robber had a shoot-out with Brunswick PD in the parking lot. Anyway, they did have a sign out front announcing the 6:00 PM reopening, and a couple of rent-a-cop security types. At 6:00 PM (now about 50 people in line) they came outside and brought in only enough people to go right up to sales staff and buy. My wife and I were first in line, and each grabbed an 8GB model. It took about 10 minutes to check us out, as we were the first customers for the salesman, and he had to read us the agreements. We hung around outside to chat with friends way back in the line who had no chance of getting an iPhone, then skeedaddled home. I figured I could be home and activating before most other front-liners had even left the malls. My wife wanted to keep her Verizon number, so I activated hers first. I started at 7:05 PM. The email announcing her activation arrived the next morning at 9:30 AM. About 8:30 PM I activated mine, deciding I could learn a new AT&T number, and had very few folks who actually had my old number... In 20 minutes I was activated with a new phone number, and had synced the iPhone with all my stuff. Sweet. I love the thing. It does everything it says it will do flawlessly. It makes you an instant celebrity, as everyone wants to touch it. I had changed my .Mac mail over to IMAP in anticipation of the iPhone and it works great. I spend less time on my MacBook Pro during the day, as I can check mail with the iPhone, then go to the MBP if I have to type something long - like this post... In a WiFi environment (like my house), web surfing and YouTube videos (a surprisingly delightful diversion) are adequately fast. The EDGE network is borderline bearable, but the iPhone is always looking for WiFi networks to join. On the van ride from the airport to the hotel in San Diego (I'm an airline pilot by trade) it wanted to join every WiFi along the way. I tried today to share the internet connection on my MBP on ethernet-connected broadband hotel room access. While the iPhone saw the network, displaying the symbol, it wouldn't load any web pages. Hmmmm. Oh, Shawn, great cameo on the Pogue video (don't quit your day job, though, which is being a voice of reason here on the list... :-)) TTFN, Pete From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 19:08:40 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 19:08:51 2007 Subject: [X4U] Sent From My iPhone... In-Reply-To: <08DCEDA0-0113-1000-8641-6B1CF05C18CF-Webmail-10017@mac.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/07 9:13 PM, "Peter Zimowski" wrote: > I love the thing. It does everything it says it will do flawlessly. It makes > you an instant celebrity, as everyone wants to touch it. An added "benefit". :) > but the iPhone is always looking for WiFi networks to join. Keep in mind, that uses up battery. > I tried today to share the internet connection on my MBP on ethernet-connected > broadband hotel room access. While the iPhone saw the network, displaying the > symbol, it wouldn't load any web pages. Hmmmm. Interesting. > Oh, Shawn, great cameo on the Pogue video LOL Thanks! > (don't quit your day job, though, > which is being a voice of reason here on the list... :-)) If *I'm* the "voice of reason", all hope is lost. :) -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From XPressoBean at mac.com Sat Jul 7 20:00:35 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sat Jul 7 20:00:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/7/07 2:58 PM, Shawn King wrote: > Folks, this is a tempest in a teapot - there are *lots* of other places on > the web to sell your stuff. Are we not allowed to sell stuff? That question still hasn't been answered. I simply posted, initially, that the original "for sale" message wasn't necessarily spam at face value, because the Listmom has his own message in the footer of every message that shows up. What is Listmom's policy? You jumped in with some Latin words, but you didn't actually reiterate the policy. Are you the Listmom? Thanks, Linda From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sat Jul 7 20:18:04 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sat Jul 7 20:18:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/7/07 11:00 PM, "Linda" wrote: > You jumped in with some Latin words LMAO Is that all I did? > but you didn't actually reiterate the > policy. Because it's not my place - that's for the ListMom. > Are you the Listmom? Nope. At the bottom of every email you receive from this list is this URL: At that URL is this email address: He'd be the guy to talk to about List Policy. -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From lists at mac.com Sat Jul 7 20:25:45 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sat Jul 7 20:25:55 2007 Subject: [X4U] iTunes doesn't see iPhone (was: OT: Can we sell stuff on this list?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <135D64D1-EDC7-47B0-A77D-1127F5647CAD@mac.com> On Jul 7, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Shawn King wrote: > On 7/7/07 5:08 PM, "Neil" wrote: > >> ...I have had my phone now for 30 hours >> and I still can't get iTunes to even see >> that the iPhone is attached. > > Did you download the latest version (7.3) of iTunes?.... Yes, I met all of the requirements, Mac 10.4.10, iTunes 7.3, and built-in USB on my PowerMac G5/2x2. System Profiler sees my iPhone connected via USB. The iPhone shows that it's charging. I tried another USB port. I restarted. I repaired permissions, booted from my Tiger install disk and "Repair Disk" found no problems, and I rebuilt my Launch Services database. I moved my preference folders from my root level library and my user library folders to my desktop and restarted. Any other suggestions? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070707/f21423d2/attachment.html From randy at macattorney.com Sat Jul 7 20:44:14 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Sat Jul 7 20:44:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B320066-2C81-4B72-8AF6-7CD576960174@macattorney.com> On Jul 7, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Linda wrote: > Are you the Listmom? Shawn is not the listmom of this list. Eric Prentice is "The Macintosh Guy" and he is a 'hands off' type of listmom. He is just about never present on the list, and it is difficult to gain his attention otherwise. He runs a Macintosh accessory business: http://www.drbott.com/ He hosts a bunch of lists: http://www.themacintoshguy.com/lists/ But I can't find any posted rules for those lists. As far as posting 'for sale' stuff on a discussion list, I wouldn't characterize that as spam automatically unless it is off-topic and/or the poster is taking advantage of the list with an annoying volume of posts. Lots of Mac lists allow members to post occasionally about Mac stuff that they have for sale. With respect to what Shawn had to say about freedom of speech, he is correct. Just about every Mac e-mail discussion list is run at the will of the listmom. There is *no* right to free speech. For folks that believe that something about the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, or our government, etc. guarantees your right to free speech on a Mac e-mail discussion list, you are patently wrong about this. The right to free speech in the 1st amendment only guarantees that the **government** must not interfere with your right to free speech. Most e-mail discussion lists aren't run by the government. (With the possible exception of discussion lists hosted by publicly funded universities.) (Note that even the government has the right to restrict the "time, place and manner" or your exercise of free speech. For instance you have no right to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater, as this may cause harm to others and interfere with their rights. As another example, you have no right to block the freeway during rush hour with a political demonstration. My educated guess is that the government would be reasonable in making laws preventing folks from spamming discussion lists; if they haven't already.) Discussion list rules are made and enforced by the listmom. If you don't like or want to follow the rules, your sole option is to unsubscribe and join another list that you might like better. Fortunately there are lots of Mac discussion lists to choose from. But likening the governance of discussion lists to a "(hopefully) benevolent dictatorship" is essentially correct. That doesn't just apply to this list. It applies to essentially all of them. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From XPressoBean at mac.com Sat Jul 7 20:59:14 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Sat Jul 7 20:59:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <3B320066-2C81-4B72-8AF6-7CD576960174@macattorney.com> Message-ID: On 7/7/07 10:44 PM, Randy B. Singer wrote: > As far as posting 'for sale' stuff on a discussion list, I wouldn't > characterize that as spam automatically unless it is off-topic and/or > the poster is taking advantage of the list with an annoying volume of > posts. Lots of Mac lists allow members to post occasionally about > Mac stuff that they have for sale. Thanks for the info on the ListMom, Randy, and his rules -- or lack of -- posted about his list(s), and for the opinion on whether or not a single "for sale" post is automagically considered spam. I hope this list continues on in such a common-sense manner. best regards, Linda From wayne at troutnc.com Sat Jul 7 21:26:18 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Sat Jul 7 21:27:14 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4690676A.1020208@troutnc.com> Linda wrote: > On 7/6/07 5:53 PM, nk wrote: > >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > How is it spam when ListMom's own "for sale" line -- though outdated -- is > at the end of every message? It would seem, to the casual observer, to be > perfectly acceptable behavior, no? :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > I would rather see the occasional poster's sig line referencing his own sales site than to see anything attached to EVERY post by the listmom. But that's just my preference. That is not to say that I welcome posts that are entirely sales related listings. There is the lem swap list for that. From earle.jones at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 21:30:45 2007 From: earle.jones at comcast.net (Earle Jones) Date: Sat Jul 7 21:30:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CCD1FE8-A738-498D-B1D1-DE67F6AEAAB3@comcast.net> Linda: It does seem a bit strange that we cannot sell anything on =20 this list, given that the "Listmom" has been advertising his stuff =20 here via ebay for the past year or so. In fact, his "clean out his =20 closets" message is still attached. (Although his eBay URL has =20 offered no stuff for a long time!) > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random =20 > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 It doesn't bother me if someone occasionally wants to sell an old Mac =20= or a disk drive or whatever -- I would not want to see this become a =20 major selling list. As for me, I have nothing for sale at this time. Cheers, earle * On Jul 7, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Linda wrote: > On 7/7/07 2:58 PM, Shawn King wrote: > >> Folks, this is a tempest in a teapot - there are *lots* of other =20 >> places on >> the web to sell your stuff. > > Are we not allowed to sell stuff? That question still hasn't been =20 > answered. > I simply posted, initially, that the original "for sale" message =20 > wasn't > necessarily spam at face value, because the Listmom has his own =20 > message in > the footer of every message that shows up. What is Listmom's =20 > policy? You > jumped in with some Latin words, but you didn't actually reiterate the > policy. Are you the Listmom? > > Thanks, > Linda > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random =20 > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 Earle Jones =F0 earle.jones@comcast.net 650-854-1489 From germain_m at videotron.ca Sat Jul 7 22:09:35 2007 From: germain_m at videotron.ca (Germain M.) Date: Sat Jul 7 22:09:44 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari using 100% CPU ??? Message-ID: <78057660-E80A-4333-BAE6-DE592AC2BD19@videotron.ca> Hello to the members of this list, Can it be that Safari is a heavy, I mean heavy, consumer of CPU power. Example: on Flickr website, organizing your photos (UL to groups), Safari uses 100% of CPU according to Activity monitor. Beachball running like crazy. Any cues? Thanks. Germain iMac Intel 2.0ghz 1 gig Ram, 160 GB HD 10.4.8 fran?ais -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070708/c9b5bbd0/attachment.html From randy at macattorney.com Sat Jul 7 22:25:03 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Sat Jul 7 22:25:14 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari using 100% CPU ??? In-Reply-To: <78057660-E80A-4333-BAE6-DE592AC2BD19@videotron.ca> References: <78057660-E80A-4333-BAE6-DE592AC2BD19@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <70ACDAA7-DD17-4DBF-AF7A-64FE1550005E@macattorney.com> On Jul 7, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Germain M. wrote: > Can it be that Safari is a heavy, I mean heavy, consumer of CPU > power. Example: on Flickr website, organizing your photos (UL to > groups), Safari uses 100% of CPU according to Activity monitor. > Beachball running like crazy. Any cues? Safari might have a corrupted cache. You might want to use something like: YASU (free, donation requested) http://jimmitchell.org/projects/yasu/ to clear Safari's caches, and its bookmark icons while you are at it, to see if that helps. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From meged at earthlink.net Sat Jul 7 22:24:16 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Sat Jul 7 22:27:09 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/7/07 1:25 PM, Gene Steinberg wrote: > Apropos to nothing, where do you think one should post messages if you want > to sell something? LEM Swap List - http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html From michaelelliott at mac.com Sat Jul 7 22:28:55 2007 From: michaelelliott at mac.com (Michael Elliott) Date: Sat Jul 7 22:29:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Bragging Rights for Shawn In-Reply-To: <5A919025-285B-4C1C-867C-1AA381678F1F@mac.com> References: <5A919025-285B-4C1C-867C-1AA381678F1F@mac.com> Message-ID: <7A02C94D-7AC6-40D5-9AC9-5B9B685F5722@mac.com> Unfortunately, nothing but trouble on my end. Just walked into the Oklahoma City, OK Apple Store and purchased an 8GB. Took it home. Tried to activate it, when the trouble started :-) My suburb of Oklahoma City has been issued a new Zip code by the USPS effective July 1. When I tried to activate, I tried to enter my regular, "old" zip. The activation then said that that wasn't recognized...would I like to select the address with the NEW zip? (There was no choice here...select the New zip or give up). So I did. Then I get the message that "AT&T does not offer wireless service in your area." Of course, I've had Cingular here for 6 years. Call ATT customer support. They basically explain that their credit process can only pull up my NEW zip, but that their "coverage map" is based on zip code...and does not recognize the NEW code, only the old one. This wasn't the Infinite Loop I was hoping to see :-) Supposedly someone will be able to override this tomorrow during "credit"s office hours (which don't follow the Support hours...grrr). Why, oh why, Apple, did you see fit to lock out the other features of the darn iPhone until the "phone" part was activated? :-) Michael On Jul 7, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > > How is it performing, Shawn? Did you have any of the problems in > activation that I have read about? > _______________________________________________ From jrj1120 at gmail.com Sun Jul 8 03:26:28 2007 From: jrj1120 at gmail.com (Jeff Johnson) Date: Sun Jul 8 03:26:36 2007 Subject: [X4U] iTunes doesn't see iPhone (was: OT: Can we sell stuff on this list?) In-Reply-To: <135D64D1-EDC7-47B0-A77D-1127F5647CAD@mac.com> References: <135D64D1-EDC7-47B0-A77D-1127F5647CAD@mac.com> Message-ID: <15770d710707080326h1fc39c55h3bca9e294ebb2cd9@mail.gmail.com> Given the inevitability that some iPhones are DOA, you may want to take a trip to the local Apple Store where a Mac Genius can attempt a fix and replace the iPhone if it is indeed defunct. On 7/7/07, Neil wrote: > > On Jul 7, 2007, at 6:09 PM, Shawn King wrote: > > On 7/7/07 5:08 PM, "Neil" wrote: > > ...I have had my phone now for 30 hours and I still can't get iTunes to even see > that the iPhone is attached. > > Did you download the latest version (7.3) of iTunes?.... > Yes, I met all of the requirements, Mac 10.4.10, iTunes 7.3, and built-in > USB on my PowerMac G5/2x2. > > System Profiler sees my iPhone connected via USB. The iPhone shows that > it's charging. I tried another USB port. > > I restarted. > > I repaired permissions, booted from my Tiger install disk and "Repair Disk" > found no problems, and I rebuilt my Launch Services database. > > I moved my preference folders from my root level library and my user library > folders to my desktop and restarted. Any other suggestions? Thanks. > _______________________________________________ From aron at r8ix.com Sun Jul 8 04:50:31 2007 From: aron at r8ix.com (Aron S. Spencer) Date: Sun Jul 8 04:50:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] Bragging Rights for Shawn In-Reply-To: <7A02C94D-7AC6-40D5-9AC9-5B9B685F5722@mac.com> References: <5A919025-285B-4C1C-867C-1AA381678F1F@mac.com> <7A02C94D-7AC6-40D5-9AC9-5B9B685F5722@mac.com> Message-ID: <8E4AAD51-91C2-46E8-B5B8-15C4C59F06F9@r8ix.com> Put different ZIP codes in the "Billing" and the "Where will you primarily use this phone?" pages. There is a "trick" online for activating with a phone number from a different place than where you live. It should work for you, too. On Jul 8, 2007, at 1:28 AM, Michael Elliott wrote: > Unfortunately, nothing but trouble on my end. Just walked into the > Oklahoma City, OK Apple Store and purchased an 8GB. Took it home. > Tried to activate it, when the trouble started :-) > > My suburb of Oklahoma City has been issued a new Zip code by the > USPS effective July 1. When I tried to activate, I tried to enter > my regular, "old" zip. The activation then said that that wasn't > recognized...would I like to select the address with the NEW zip? > (There was no choice here...select the New zip or give up). So I > did. Then I get the message that "AT&T does not offer wireless > service in your area." Of course, I've had Cingular here for 6 years. > > Call ATT customer support. They basically explain that their credit > process can only pull up my NEW zip, but that their "coverage map" > is based on zip code...and does not recognize the NEW code, only > the old one. > > This wasn't the Infinite Loop I was hoping to see :-) > > Supposedly someone will be able to override this tomorrow during > "credit"s office hours (which don't follow the Support hours...grrr). > > Why, oh why, Apple, did you see fit to lock out the other features > of the darn iPhone until the "phone" part was activated? > > :-) > > Michael > > On Jul 7, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Ronald Steinke wrote: > >> >> How is it performing, Shawn? Did you have any of the problems in >> activation that I have read about? >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 Aron S. Spencer Union, NJ 07083 From lists at mac.com Sun Jul 8 05:22:14 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sun Jul 8 05:22:24 2007 Subject: [X4U] iTunes doesn't see iPhone (was: OT: Can we sell stuff on this list?) In-Reply-To: <15770d710707080326h1fc39c55h3bca9e294ebb2cd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <135D64D1-EDC7-47B0-A77D-1127F5647CAD@mac.com> <15770d710707080326h1fc39c55h3bca9e294ebb2cd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B744795-9626-40D8-B7B4-44F42D72CB03@mac.com> Isn't it hard to get an appointment with a genius? On Jul 8, 2007, at 6:26 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: > Given the inevitability that some iPhones are DOA, you may want to > take a trip to the local Apple Store where a Mac Genius can attempt a > fix and replace the iPhone if it is indeed defunct. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070708/d03ec0db/attachment-0001.html From lists at mac.com Sun Jul 8 05:29:11 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sun Jul 8 05:29:19 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT:Net Neutrality: R.I.P. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53A9D88A-716C-40E2-876D-F293F2C096A7@mac.com> You make it sound like a terrific bargain for me. I get to enjoy faster entertainment and the only downside is that poor people don't get to enjoy it too. I can live with that. ;-) On Jul 7, 2007, at 9:03 PM, nk wrote: > it might give you faster entertainment, but the overall > significance is that those with more money get faster throughput > than those with less money, thereby negating the "level playing > field" of and equal access to the internet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070708/42e4ebfc/attachment.html From tlmiller at mac.com Sun Jul 8 06:44:07 2007 From: tlmiller at mac.com (T.L. Miller) Date: Sun Jul 8 06:44:15 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <3CCD1FE8-A738-498D-B1D1-DE67F6AEAAB3@comcast.net> References: <3CCD1FE8-A738-498D-B1D1-DE67F6AEAAB3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20070708134407.25263548@smtp.mac.com> On 7/7/07, at 9:30 PM, Earle Jones earle.jones@comcast.net said: >Linda: It does seem a bit strange that we cannot sell anything on >this list, given that the "Listmom" has been advertising his stuff >here via ebay for the past year or so. In fact, his "clean out his >closets" message is still attached. (Although his eBay URL has >offered no stuff for a long time!) Since the Listmom's ad is unobtrusively included automatically as part of the footer of every message, I disagree. If the entire intent of a member's message is to sell something, that's one thing, but including some sort of ad in a member's signature would be different. Lots of gray areas here, so the safest approach would likely be for members not to advertise. Tom Miller .................................................. "The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side." R.O.Clark ................................................... From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sun Jul 8 06:50:14 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sun Jul 8 06:50:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <135CA74F-2EF9-42E9-9927-1C2E7EFEEBB3@myrealbox.com> On 8 Jul 2007, at 04:00, Linda wrote: > ... > Are we not allowed to sell stuff? That question still hasn't been > answered. Indeed not. > ... What is Listmom's policy? It's not clear. The Listmom's (lack of) presence here would seem to indicate that the list is really moderated by what members consider acceptable & what members' bitch about. I personally don't see the occasional for-sale post here as a problem, but from the replies to Miles' original ad, others clearly do. Personally I find 5 replies saying "this is spam" to be more annoying than a single for-sale advert (as long as the list doesn't degenerate to the extent that we see more for sale posts than helpful responses to technical questions). Having said that, Miles' original advertisement was for an APC switch (whatever that is) so wouldn't seem to be as directly relevant to the list as a secondhand Lisa or Powerbook. In fact I can see that a G5, an iSight and iBook/PowerBook car/wall adapters have all been offered for sale here in the past without eliciting any complaints. Stroller. From tabdave at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 8 07:51:54 2007 From: tabdave at ca.rr.com (Crandon David) Date: Sun Jul 8 07:52:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari using 100% CPU ??? In-Reply-To: <78057660-E80A-4333-BAE6-DE592AC2BD19@videotron.ca> References: <78057660-E80A-4333-BAE6-DE592AC2BD19@videotron.ca> Message-ID: I regularly see Safari using this amount of CPU power if I have a lot of widows open (say more than a dozen), and then sometimes it will freeze. On Jul 7, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Germain M. wrote: > Hello to the members of this list, > > Can it be that Safari is a heavy, I mean heavy, consumer of CPU > power. Example: on Flickr website, organizing your photos (UL to > groups), Safari uses 100% of CPU according to Activity monitor. > Beachball running like crazy. Any cues? > > Thanks. Germain > > iMac Intel 2.0ghz > 1 gig Ram, 160 GB HD > 10.4.8 fran?ais > > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070708/f1f67181/attachment.html From shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com Sun Jul 8 07:55:51 2007 From: shawn at yourmaclifeshow.com (Shawn King) Date: Sun Jul 8 07:56:02 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <135CA74F-2EF9-42E9-9927-1C2E7EFEEBB3@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On 7/8/07 9:50 AM, "Stroller" wrote: > The Listmom's (lack of) presence here would seem to indicate that the > list is really moderated by what members consider acceptable & what > members' bitch about. No - whether the Listmom's presence is obvious or not is irrelevant. It doesn't "seem to indicate" anything except an absent Listmom. There's no reason to assume a stance of "inmates taking over the asylum" just cause the Listmom doesn't speak up on a regular basis. -- Shawn King (sent from my iPhone!) Host/Executive Producer Your Mac Life http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com From rogersnyder at pobox.com Sun Jul 8 07:57:09 2007 From: rogersnyder at pobox.com (Roger Snyder) Date: Sun Jul 8 07:57:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] Safari using 100% CPU ??? In-Reply-To: <70ACDAA7-DD17-4DBF-AF7A-64FE1550005E@macattorney.com> Message-ID: > On Jul 7, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Germain M. wrote: > >> Can it be that Safari is a heavy, I mean heavy, consumer of CPU >> power. Example: on Flickr website, organizing your photos (UL to >> groups), Safari uses 100% of CPU according to Activity monitor. >> Beachball running like crazy. Any cues? I find any browser can demand a lot of resources, depending on tabs open, what sites scripts, etc. are open. Firefox, particularly with some extensions, is the worse for me. I like to have a browser open much of the time, but sometimes I juts have to shut them all down. I also have the issue that I tend to have my browsers boot with 12-18 tabs remembered. I have taken to use Shiira, with one or two tabs, as a quick back up browser. (Not that Shiira is necessarily less processor intensive, but I have it opening only one tab/window.) -- Roger Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about. From netkat at comcast.net Sun Jul 8 08:00:55 2007 From: netkat at comcast.net (nk) Date: Sun Jul 8 08:01:06 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT:Net Neutrality: R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <53A9D88A-716C-40E2-876D-F293F2C096A7@mac.com> References: <53A9D88A-716C-40E2-876D-F293F2C096A7@mac.com> Message-ID: <303971569042fd9413c95e2ebb1cd8be@comcast.net> On Jul 8, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Neil wrote: > You make it sound like a terrific bargain for me.? I get to enjoy > faster entertainment and the only downside is that poor people don't > get to enjoy it too.? ?I can live with that.? ;-) > well, I will give you credit for having the scope of a pin point, and for actually admitting it in (semi) public. nk From jrj1120 at gmail.com Sun Jul 8 08:24:14 2007 From: jrj1120 at gmail.com (Jeff Johnson) Date: Sun Jul 8 08:24:25 2007 Subject: [X4U] iTunes doesn't see iPhone (was: OT: Can we sell stuff on this list?) In-Reply-To: <8B744795-9626-40D8-B7B4-44F42D72CB03@mac.com> References: <135D64D1-EDC7-47B0-A77D-1127F5647CAD@mac.com> <15770d710707080326h1fc39c55h3bca9e294ebb2cd9@mail.gmail.com> <8B744795-9626-40D8-B7B4-44F42D72CB03@mac.com> Message-ID: <15770d710707080824u23822d1fhf8060331ca1148a4@mail.gmail.com> It's really pretty easy - just go online to the Apple Store of your choice http://www.apple.com/retail/ and select "Genius Bar" under the "Make a reservation" heading. You can pick an available time that fits your schedule. And if you have a ProCare subscription ($99/year) http://www.apple.com/retail/procare/ you can get in even faster. Jeff On 7/8/07, Neil wrote: > Isn't it hard to get an appointment with a genius? > > > On Jul 8, 2007, at 6:26 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: > Given the inevitability that some iPhones are DOA, you may want to > take a trip to the local Apple Store where a Mac Genius can attempt a > fix and replace the iPhone if it is indeed defunct. > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > From wayne at troutnc.com Sun Jul 8 10:30:29 2007 From: wayne at troutnc.com (Wayne Clodfelter) Date: Sun Jul 8 10:31:21 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <20070708134407.25263548@smtp.mac.com> References: <3CCD1FE8-A738-498D-B1D1-DE67F6AEAAB3@comcast.net> <20070708134407.25263548@smtp.mac.com> Message-ID: <46911F35.6040906@troutnc.com> T.L. Miller wrote: > On 7/7/07, at 9:30 PM, Earle Jones earle.jones@comcast.net said: > >> Linda: It does seem a bit strange that we cannot sell anything on >> this list, given that the "Listmom" has been advertising his stuff >> here via ebay for the past year or so. In fact, his "clean out his >> closets" message is still attached. (Although his eBay URL has >> offered no stuff for a long time!) > > Since the Listmom's ad is unobtrusively included automatically as part > of the footer of every message, I disagree. I disagree with this statement. You can't get any more OBTRUSIVE, than to add a bunch of lines to EVERY post. It is a big annoyance to me. From tlmiller at mac.com Sun Jul 8 10:42:57 2007 From: tlmiller at mac.com (T.L. Miller) Date: Sun Jul 8 10:43:08 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <46911F35.6040906@troutnc.com> References: <3CCD1FE8-A738-498D-B1D1-DE67F6AEAAB3@comcast.net> <20070708134407.25263548@smtp.mac.com> <46911F35.6040906@troutnc.com> Message-ID: <20070708174257.1591221950@smtp.mac.com> On 7/8/07, at 1:30 PM, Wayne Clodfelter wayne@troutnc.com said: >I disagree with this statement. You can't get any more OBTRUSIVE, than >to add a bunch of lines to EVERY post. >It is a big annoyance to me. Gosh, then don't scroll down that far. Tom Miller .................................................. "The only time we see the middle of the road is as we run from side to side." R.O.Clark ................................................... From spikedds at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 8 11:47:33 2007 From: spikedds at bellsouth.net (David R. Boag) Date: Sun Jul 8 11:47:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] iTunes doesn't see iPhone (was: OT: Can we sell stuff on this list?) In-Reply-To: <135D64D1-EDC7-47B0-A77D-1127F5647CAD@mac.com> References: <135D64D1-EDC7-47B0-A77D-1127F5647CAD@mac.com> Message-ID: <991563A0-0138-4EA8-9841-BE931E24371D@bellsouth.net> Do you have a friend who has a Mac or PC that you can run iTunes on to activate? Doesn't really address the question of why it won't activate, but it might give you a live phone that might work once activated. Just a thought. -- David R. Boag, DDS spikedds@bellsouth.net http://www.southatlantadental.com/ On Jul 7, 2007, at 11:25 PM, Neil wrote: >>> ...I have had my phone now for 30 hours >>> and I still can't get iTunes to even see >>> that the iPhone is attached. >> >> Did you download the latest version (7.3) of iTunes?.... > > Yes, I met all of the requirements, Mac 10.4.10, iTunes 7.3, and > built-in USB on my PowerMac G5/2x2. > > System Profiler sees my iPhone connected via USB. The iPhone shows > that it's charging. I tried another USB port. > > I restarted. > > I repaired permissions, booted from my Tiger install disk and > "Repair Disk" found no problems, and I rebuilt my Launch Services > database. > > I moved my preference folders from my root level library and my > user library folders to my desktop and restarted. Any other > suggestions? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070708/745e95e8/attachment.html From jessup at san.rr.com Sun Jul 8 11:25:17 2007 From: jessup at san.rr.com (Daly Jessup) Date: Sun Jul 8 12:15:44 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <46911F35.6040906@troutnc.com> References: <3CCD1FE8-A738-498D-B1D1-DE67F6AEAAB3@comcast.net> <20070708134407.25263548@smtp.mac.com> <46911F35.6040906@troutnc.com> Message-ID: At 1:30 PM -0400 7/8/07, Wayne Clodfelter wrote: >T.L. Miller wrote: >>On 7/7/07, at 9:30 PM, Earle Jones earle.jones@comcast.net said: >> >>>Linda: It does seem a bit strange that we cannot sell anything on >>>this list, given that the "Listmom" has been advertising his stuff >>>here via ebay for the past year or so. In fact, his "clean out >>>his closets" message is still attached. (Although his eBay URL >>>has offered no stuff for a long time!) >> >>Since the Listmom's ad is unobtrusively included automatically as part >>of the footer of every message, I disagree. > >I disagree with this statement. You can't get any more OBTRUSIVE, >than to add a bunch of lines to EVERY post. >It is a big annoyance to me. >_______________________________________________ >X4U mailing list >X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com >http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > >Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 And the ridiculous thing is that he has nothing for sale at eBay. I think he has forgotten about this signature. I just wrote to him via eBay to mention that nothing is for sale the the signature is annoying. I hope he removes his for sale signature now that it isn't useful to anyone. Daly ---------------------- From macmonster at myrealbox.com Sun Jul 8 13:44:43 2007 From: macmonster at myrealbox.com (Stroller) Date: Sun Jul 8 13:45:05 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B0D905E-88FC-451E-8F7C-2C9B465408B5@myrealbox.com> On 8 Jul 2007, at 15:55, Shawn King wrote: > On 7/8/07 9:50 AM, "Stroller" wrote: > >> The Listmom's (lack of) presence here would seem to indicate that the >> list is really moderated by what members consider acceptable & what >> members' bitch about. > > No - whether the Listmom's presence is obvious or not is > irrelevant. It > doesn't "seem to indicate" anything except an absent Listmom. > > There's no reason to assume a stance of "inmates taking over the > asylum" > just cause the Listmom doesn't speak up on a regular basis. I'm not sure if I have ever heard the word "listmom" used on any other forum besides this one, so I will assume it to mean the same as "moderator". I'm sorry to disagree with you, but an absent moderator indicates an absence of higher moderation. An absence of higher moderation indicates that the forum is effectively unmoderated. An unmoderated forum is effectively moderated only by the users themselves - they can post whatever they like and will only desist from "inappropriate" postings if enough other members find their postings to be inappropriate and kick up a fuss. Are you the listmom? Because unless you are you can like the present situation or you can dislike it. It makes no difference. Until the listmom starts taking names & kicking some butt this list is really moderated by what members consider acceptable & what members bitch about. I believe we should all behave reasonably, but in the absence of higher authority "what constitutes reasonable" will always be open to interpretation & discussion. To date (I have over 3 years' worth of postings here) the listmom has never stepped in when threads have drifted off-topic or on those rare occasions when disputes have escalated into flame wars or personal name-calling. Sorry to break it to you, kid - there is no listmom. Stroller. From meged at earthlink.net Sun Jul 8 13:46:29 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Sun Jul 8 13:47:33 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT:Net Neutrality: R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <53A9D88A-716C-40E2-876D-F293F2C096A7@mac.com> Message-ID: I don?t think you?re quite seeing what the problem can be. If your Internet Service Provider is Comcast, for instance, they can make downloading entertainment from them quite fast for you and subsequently slow down the speed at which you can download content from Apple or Microsoft or anyone else they see as a competitor. No matter what price you pay Comcast, it won?t speed up the downloads you get from competing services because Comcast wants those competitors to pay them to make their content available to you. On 7/8/07 5:29 AM, Neil wrote: > You make it sound like a terrific bargain for me.? I get to enjoy faster > entertainment and the only downside is that poor people don't get to enjoy it > too.? ?I can live with that.? ;-) > > On Jul 7, 2007, at 9:03 PM, nk wrote: > >> >> it might give you faster entertainment, but the overall significance is that >> those with more money get faster throughput than those with less money, >> thereby negating the "level playing field" of and equal access to the >> internet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070708/e1cf2a8b/attachment.html From ronsteinke at mac.com Sun Jul 8 14:20:47 2007 From: ronsteinke at mac.com (Ronald Steinke) Date: Sun Jul 8 14:26:47 2007 Subject: [X4U] No ListMom? In-Reply-To: <1B0D905E-88FC-451E-8F7C-2C9B465408B5@myrealbox.com> References: <1B0D905E-88FC-451E-8F7C-2C9B465408B5@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <5F4396E6-00A1-4972-A3C9-668A58511DA0@mac.com> On 8 Jul, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Stroller wrote: > Sorry to break it to you, kid - there is no listmom. And now, I suppose, you're going to tell us there is no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy either? From lobster at neu.edu Sun Jul 8 14:49:04 2007 From: lobster at neu.edu (Joseph Ayers) Date: Sun Jul 8 14:49:19 2007 Subject: [X4U] Terminal Shows only Completed Command In-Reply-To: <5F4396E6-00A1-4972-A3C9-668A58511DA0@mac.com> References: <1B0D905E-88FC-451E-8F7C-2C9B465408B5@myrealbox.com> <5F4396E6-00A1-4972-A3C9-668A58511DA0@mac.com> Message-ID: <46915BD0.8030703@neu.edu> In fooling around with .term files, I somehow messed up terminal so that It shows the title "Completed Command" and never shows a shell prompt. I've tried trashing the .plist file to no avail. No response to a hard reset, control-l, control-c or commmand-. Any ideas how to get it to show a prompt. Thanks, Joseph Ayers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lobster.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 364 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070708/f7c7e0d9/lobster.vcf From healyzh at aracnet.com Sun Jul 8 15:33:37 2007 From: healyzh at aracnet.com (Zane H. Healy) Date: Sun Jul 8 15:33:43 2007 Subject: The term "listmom" was: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <1B0D905E-88FC-451E-8F7C-2C9B465408B5@myrealbox.com> References: <1B0D905E-88FC-451E-8F7C-2C9B465408B5@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: At 9:44 PM +0100 7/8/07, Stroller wrote: >I'm not sure if I have ever heard the word "listmom" used on any >other forum besides this one, so I will assume it to mean the same >as "moderator". It is a standard Internet Mail List term (this is a mail list, not a forum), and it refers to the list owner. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh@aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | From nickscalise at cox.net Sun Jul 8 15:42:42 2007 From: nickscalise at cox.net (Nick Scalise) Date: Sun Jul 8 15:42:53 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <3CCD1FE8-A738-498D-B1D1-DE67F6AEAAB3@comcast.net> References: <3CCD1FE8-A738-498D-B1D1-DE67F6AEAAB3@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Jul 7, 2007, at 11:30 PM, Earle Jones wrote: > Linda: It does seem a bit strange that we cannot sell anything on > this list, given that the "Listmom" has been advertising his stuff > here via ebay for the past year or so. In fact, his "clean out his > closets" message is still attached. (Although his eBay URL has > offered no stuff for a long time!) > >> Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random >> stuff: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 > > It doesn't bother me if someone occasionally wants to sell an old > Mac or a disk drive or whatever -- I would not want to see this > become a major selling list. > > As for me, I have nothing for sale at this time. > > On Jul 7, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Linda wrote: > >> On 7/7/07 2:58 PM, Shawn King wrote: >> >>> Folks, this is a tempest in a teapot - there are *lots* of other >>> places on >>> the web to sell your stuff. >> >> Are we not allowed to sell stuff? That question still hasn't been >> answered. >> I simply posted, initially, that the original "for sale" message >> wasn't >> necessarily spam at face value, because the Listmom has his own >> message in >> the footer of every message that shows up. What is Listmom's >> policy? You >> jumped in with some Latin words, but you didn't actually reiterate >> the >> policy. Are you the Listmom? Since I was one of the early spam callers, I am going to weigh in on the listmom and his inclusion of an advertisement at the footer of the message. Since this list is free for all of us, I see no issue with the owner of the list earning a little to pay for server costs, hosting, bandwidth, etc. -- Nick Scalise nickscalise@cox.net From randy at macattorney.com Sun Jul 8 15:51:46 2007 From: randy at macattorney.com (Randy B. Singer) Date: Sun Jul 8 15:51:58 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT: Can we sell stuff on this list? In-Reply-To: <1B0D905E-88FC-451E-8F7C-2C9B465408B5@myrealbox.com> References: <1B0D905E-88FC-451E-8F7C-2C9B465408B5@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <32C46535-78A0-48B3-AF02-7C8E888BA6D3@macattorney.com> On Jul 8, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Stroller wrote: > To date (I have over 3 years' worth of postings here) the listmom > has never stepped in when threads have drifted off-topic or on > those rare occasions when disputes have escalated into flame wars > or personal name-calling. Sorry to break it to you, kid - there is > no listmom. I haven't kept track of how many years I've been on this list. I _have_ exchanged e-mails with Eric, though not recently. I don't recall, but it may have all been via private e-mail. I suggested that the list would benefit from having an active moderator to keep the headcases in check. He asked if I would like to moderate the list, and I declined. But I suggested that he appoint _someone_ to be the moderator. (They aren't usually in evidence, but there are several Macintosh luminaries subscribed to this list.) Nothing ever came of it. I'm sure that Eric is very busy with his business endeavors and that he doesn't have time to be bothered with the goings-on on his lists. Stroller is correct, for all practical purposes there is no moderator on this list. This list is as wild and wooly as discussion lists get. Even if a big flamewar broke out on this list, I have my doubts that we would be able to attract Eric's attention to assist. We've already seen that Eric's lists can go down for many weeks without any response to e-mails to him, and then come back up with no comment from Eric at all. If anyone would prefer to be on a Macintosh discussion list that is actively moderated, I'd be happy to give you a few recommendations. Contact me via private e-mail. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html ___________________________________________ From tnoel at mac.com Sun Jul 8 16:09:54 2007 From: tnoel at mac.com (Thomas W Noel) Date: Sun Jul 8 16:10:00 2007 Subject: [X4U] iTunes doesn't see iPhone (was: OT: Can we sell stuff on this list?) In-Reply-To: <991563A0-0138-4EA8-9841-BE931E24371D@bellsouth.net> References: <135D64D1-EDC7-47B0-A77D-1127F5647CAD@mac.com> <991563A0-0138-4EA8-9841-BE931E24371D@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Create a new user just for the activation. I think that the fact that System Profiler can see the phone indicates this is a software error. On Jul 8, 2007, at 11:47 AM, David R. Boag wrote: > >>>> ...I have had my phone now for 30 hours >>>> and I still can't get iTunes to even see >>>> that the iPhone is attached. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070708/41bc7b5a/attachment.html From meged at earthlink.net Sun Jul 8 16:12:42 2007 From: meged at earthlink.net (Eddie Hargreaves) Date: Sun Jul 8 16:11:50 2007 Subject: [X4U] iPod/iTunes problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7/4/07 8:33 PM, Linda wrote: > Yep. You can only play purchased iTunes music on up to 5 computers authorized > to your account. You can put the music on an unlimited number of iPods, but > you can't move the music back off the iPod onto another computer -- and if you > back up your computer you shouldn't need to move the music off the iPod onto > your own computer (I pass no judgment on anyone who doesn't back up, I'm only > repeating the "party line"). This is all part of the digital rights > management. Actually, Apple does support the moving of purchased/protected music files from iPod to authorized computer. That functionality was added in one of the later versions of iTunes. But if you need to move non-DRM songs off your iPod you'll need a 3rd-party application or to use the Terminal. -- Eddie Hargreaves From dancurr at frontiernet.net Sun Jul 8 16:29:21 2007 From: dancurr at frontiernet.net (Dan A Currie) Date: Sun Jul 8 16:29:32 2007 Subject: [X4U] No ListMom? In-Reply-To: <5F4396E6-00A1-4972-A3C9-668A58511DA0@mac.com> References: <1B0D905E-88FC-451E-8F7C-2C9B465408B5@myrealbox.com> <5F4396E6-00A1-4972-A3C9-668A58511DA0@mac.com> Message-ID: <46917351.9030101@frontiernet.net> Ronald Steinke wrote: > On 8 Jul, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Stroller wrote: > >> Sorry to break it to you, kid - there is no listmom. > > > And now, I suppose, you're going to tell us there is no Santa Claus, > Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy either? > _______________________________________________ NO TOOTH FAIRY!!! Now you have gone too far ... you are slowly destroying all my ill conceived pent up illusions of ... what were we talking about ... Never mind. We are NOT schizophrenic am I? Dan Currie From Lists at mac.com Sun Jul 8 17:10:16 2007 From: Lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Sun Jul 8 17:10:23 2007 Subject: [X4U] Advice on cleaning up Entourage Address Book In-Reply-To: <20070128201358.CBEC982B921@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: Are there any scripts like this for Apple's AddressBook? Now that I have an iPhone, I'm trying to consolidate all my contacts in AB, which will mean many duplicates that started with an e-mail address in Entourage and a phone number in my Palm. Thanks. on 1/28/07 3:13 PM, Randy B.Singer wrote: > Categorize Duplicate Contacts 2.0 is a free script by Allen Watson: > http://scriptbuilders.net/files/categorizeduplicatecontacts2.0.html > > It locates duplicate contacts in the Entourage Address Book and marks > them by assigning them to a category of "Duplicate". The user can then > use Address Book filtering (the box at the upper right of Address Book) > to isolate all contacts in Duplicate category and process them as desired. > > Merge Two Contacts > http://scriptbuilders.net/files/mergetwocontacts1.0.1.html > > or > > Merge Contacts > http://scriptbuilders.net/files/mergecontacts4.1.html > > should finish up the job nicely. From Marshwiggler at mac.com Sun Jul 8 18:11:38 2007 From: Marshwiggler at mac.com (Edie) Date: Sun Jul 8 18:11:54 2007 Subject: [X4U] Advice on cleaning up Entourage Address Book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: at 8:10 PM -0400 7/8/07, Neil wrote: >Are there any scripts like this for Apple's AddressBook? Now that I have an >iPhone, I'm trying to consolidate all my contacts in AB, which will mean >many duplicates that started with an e-mail address in Entourage and a phone >number in my Palm. Thanks. > Neil, In the "Card" menu there are two helpful commands: "Look for Duplicate Entries" will tell you how many it finds and offer to merge them. I don't let it because of multiple cards like my public and private card and my husband's, too. But at least I know how many I'm looking for. hmmm, I could drop copies of those on the desktop and put them back when the merge is done. "Merge Selected Cards" will do the job when you find two or more yourself. I have an address Book question. Is there a reason there is no entry for Skype or Gizmo or a way to customize that info in the Address Book? ~Edie From fin at finseth.com Mon Jul 9 06:13:40 2007 From: fin at finseth.com (Craig A. Finseth) Date: Mon Jul 9 06:13:56 2007 Subject: [X4U] OT:Net Neutrality: R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <303971569042fd9413c95e2ebb1cd8be@comcast.net> (message from nk on Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:00:55 -0700) References: <53A9D88A-716C-40E2-876D-F293F2C096A7@mac.com> <303971569042fd9413c95e2ebb1cd8be@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20070709131340.0D76776D02@isis.visi.com> On Jul 8, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Neil wrote: > You make it sound like a terrific bargain for me.? I get to enjoy > faster entertainment and the only downside is that poor people don't > get to enjoy it too.? ?I can live with that.? ;-) This works fine so long as the only entertainment that you want to enjoy is provided by existing people with lots of money: new approaches, ideas, entrants need not apply. In today's society, this is a smaller and smaller fraction of the pie (which is why the existing people are pushing against net neutrality: they want to entrench their monopoly). Craig From lists at mac.com Mon Jul 9 07:39:20 2007 From: lists at mac.com (Neil) Date: Mon Jul 9 07:39:44 2007 Subject: [X4U] Advice on cleaning up Address Book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 8, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Edie wrote: > at 8:10 PM -0400 7/8/07, Neil wrote: >> Are there any scripts like this for Apple's AddressBook? Now that >> I have an >> iPhone, I'm trying to consolidate all my contacts in AB, which >> will mean >> many duplicates that started with an e-mail address in Entourage >> and a phone >> number in my Palm. Thanks. >> > > In the "Card" menu there are two helpful commands: > > "Look for Duplicate Entries" will tell you how many it finds and > offer to merge them. I don't let it because of multiple cards like > my public and private card and my husband's, too. But at least I > know how many I'm looking for. hmmm, I could drop copies of those > on the desktop and put them back when the merge is done. The problem with that command is that it doesn't tell you which contacts are duplicates. The script for Entourage will mark them all with the category "duplicates" so you can decide how to deal with them case by case. > > "Merge Selected Cards" will do the job when you find two or more > yourself. > > > I have an address Book question. Is there a reason there is no > entry for Skype or Gizmo or a way to customize that info in the > Address Book? Sorry, I'm new to AB too. I'm coming from Entourage and Chronos Personal Organizer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/x4u/attachments/20070709/2d186920/attachment-0001.html From drcohen at mac.com Mon Jul 9 07:56:00 2007 From: drcohen at mac.com (Dennis R. Cohen) Date: Mon Jul 9 07:56:05 2007 Subject: Was Re: [X4U] Advice on cleaning up Entourage Address Book In-Reply-To: <20070709143943.7181A1059112@listserver.themacintoshguy.com> Message-ID: On 7/8/07 at 6:11 PM, Edie transmitted the following electronic message: > >I have an address Book question. Is there a reason there is no entry for Skype or Gizmo or a way to customize >that info in the Address Book? > Select a record, click Edit, click the arrows next to an unused field name (say, "friend") and choose Custom from the menu that appears. Enter the name you want for the field. Alternatively, you could modify the template in Preferences to add a field you want on all cards. The above is in Tiger's Address Book -- I don't still have a Mac running any previous version, so I don't know for sure that the capability/methodology was the same under Panther or Jaguar. -- Dennis R. Cohen From explorerguy at mac.com Mon Jul 9 08:26:40 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Mon Jul 9 08:26:46 2007 Subject: [X4U] Need suggestions for short-term el-cheapo ISP In-Reply-To: <20070709131340.0D76776D02@isis.visi.com> References: <53A9D88A-716C-40E2-876D-F293F2C096A7@mac.com> <303971569042fd9413c95e2ebb1cd8be@comcast.net> <20070709131340.0D76776D02@isis.visi.com> Message-ID: <57182B2D-B369-473B-B126-60375663634B@mac.com> Hi. I have RoadRunner at home, but will need a short-term ISP for use during vacation. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jerry From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Jul 9 08:35:52 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Jul 9 08:36:10 2007 Subject: [X4U] Need suggestions for short-term el-cheapo ISP In-Reply-To: <57182B2D-B369-473B-B126-60375663634B@mac.com> Message-ID: On 7/9/07 10:26 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: > I have RoadRunner at home, but will need a short-term ISP for use > during vacation. Any suggestions? Jerry, that depends. Are you looking for high-speed on the road? Or dial-up? Where will you be vacationing? You can look at T-Mobile's coverage map; you can subscribe to their high-speed network, if it covers the area you'll be visiting. Some cities, such as Madison (WI) have municipal high speed wireless; you can sub for about $20/mo and hop on anywhere you like w/in the city's coverage (if you have wireless). I keep an Earthlink dialup account in addition to my ATT DSL, that I use for dialup whenever I go on vacation -- they even had numbers in France when I visited there. If you can be more specific about what you need, we can help you more specifically. ~Linda From explorerguy at mac.com Mon Jul 9 08:41:28 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Mon Jul 9 08:41:31 2007 Subject: [X4U] Need suggestions for short-term el-cheapo ISP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B997577-685D-48B0-988D-3E7A3EEC109A@mac.com> On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:35 AM, Linda wrote: > Jerry, that depends. Are you looking for high-speed on the road? Or > dial-up? I would love to have high-speed, but will be using dial-up. > Where will you be vacationing? Rural NC mountains. > > You can look at T-Mobile's coverage map; you can subscribe to their > high-speed network, if it covers the area you'll be visiting. Some > cities, > such as Madison (WI) have municipal high speed wireless; you can > sub for > about $20/mo and hop on anywhere you like w/in the city's coverage > (if you > have wireless). I keep an Earthlink dialup account in addition to > my ATT > DSL, that I use for dialup whenever I go on vacation -- they even had > numbers in France when I visited there. > > If you can be more specific about what you need, we can help you more > specifically. > > ~Linda I looked at Earthlink and NetZero, among others. I only need the services a couple of times a year. Thanks, Linda! Jerry From XPressoBean at mac.com Mon Jul 9 08:50:23 2007 From: XPressoBean at mac.com (Linda) Date: Mon Jul 9 08:50:41 2007 Subject: [X4U] Need suggestions for short-term el-cheapo ISP In-Reply-To: <9B997577-685D-48B0-988D-3E7A3EEC109A@mac.com> Message-ID: On 7/9/07 10:41 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: > Rural NC mountains. When I was looking for Internet services for my in-laws to use at their Minnesota lake cabin, I called the chamber of commerce in the closest nearby town to their place and asked them about internet access. They sent me a nice list of local ISPs, that were on average less expensive ($9-$15/mo) than my Earthlink account ($23 with taxes and fees) -- and also offered local access rather than the long-distance number Earthlink offered. From explorerguy at mac.com Mon Jul 9 08:58:23 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Mon Jul 9 08:58:29 2007 Subject: [X4U] Need suggestions for short-term el-cheapo ISP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Linda wrote: > On 7/9/07 10:41 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: > >> Rural NC mountains. > > When I was looking for Internet services for my in-laws to use at > their > Minnesota lake cabin, I called the chamber of commerce in the > closest nearby > town to their place and asked them about internet access. They sent > me a > nice list of local ISPs, that were on average less expensive ($9- > $15/mo) > than my Earthlink account ($23 with taxes and fees) -- and also > offered > local access rather than the long-distance number Earthlink offered. Good tip. I'll do that. Thanks! Jerry From explorerguy at mac.com Mon Jul 9 09:35:41 2007 From: explorerguy at mac.com (K. Jerry Smith) Date: Mon Jul 9 09:35:39 2007 Subject: [X4U] Need suggestions for short-term el-cheapo ISP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78BC3914-C816-468B-B17C-6126A0E1974A@mac.com> On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Linda wrote: > On 7/9/07 10:41 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: > >> Rural NC mountains. > > When I was looking for Internet services for my in-laws to use at > their > Minnesota lake cabin, I called the chamber of commerce in the > closest nearby > town to their place and asked them about internet access. They sent > me a > nice list of local ISPs, that were on average less expensive ($9- > $15/mo) > than my Earthlink account ($23 with taxes and fees) -- and also > offered > local access rather than the long-distance number Earthlink offered. By the way, what prompts the need (beyond the usual addiction to checking e-mail etc.) is due to a problem I've had with USB Webcams. Maybe someone on this list has also had the problems I've had and can suggest a solution. Long story, short . . . I have two USB Webcams connected to two Macs, 24/7. One is a TiBook G4, and the other is a G5 iMac. I'm using a different software app for each. Both regularly quit each day, and nothing I've tried to fix this has worked. So, I access each of the Macs, via VNC, several times each day to relaunch the apps. What a pain! Considering the differences in the computers, Webcams, and applications, I'm stumped - but open to suggestions. By the way, both are running 10.4.10, though the problem has persisted through several system upgrades. Thanks, Jerry From RussellMcGaha at mac.com Mon Jul 9 10:20:06 2007 From: RussellMcGaha at mac.com (Russell McGaha) Date: Mon Jul 9 10:20:15 2007 Subject: [X4U] Need suggestions for short-term el-cheapo ISP In-Reply-To: <78BC3914-C816-468B-B17C-6126A0E1974A@mac.com> References: <78BC3914-C816-468B-B17C-6126A0E1974A@mac.com> Message-ID: Jerry; If the App.'s have exited by a certain time each day; why not right an applescript to launch them, and then but the Applescripts into cron jobs? Russell On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:35 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: > > On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Linda wrote: > >> On 7/9/07 10:41 AM, K. Jerry Smith wrote: >> >>> Rural NC mountains. >> >> When I was looking for Internet services for my in-laws to use at >> their >> Minnesota lake cabin, I called the chamber of commerce in the >> closest nearby >> town to their place and asked them about internet access. They >> sent me a >> nice list of local ISPs, that were on average less expensive ($9- >> $15/mo) >> than my Earthlink account ($23 with taxes and fees) -- and also >> offered >> local access rather than the long-distance number Earthlink offered. > > By the way, what prompts the need (beyond the usual addiction to > checking e-mail etc.) is due to a problem I've had with USB > Webcams. Maybe someone on this list has also had the problems I've > had and can suggest a solution. > > Long story, short . . . I have two USB Webcams connected to two > Macs, 24/7. One is a TiBook G4, and the other is a G5 iMac. I'm > using a different software app for each. Both regularly quit each > day, and nothing I've tried to fix this has worked. So, I access > each of the Macs, via VNC, several times each day to relaunch the > apps. What a pain! > > Considering the differences in the computers, Webcams, and > applications, I'm stumped - but open to suggestions. By the way, > both are running 10.4.10, though the problem has persisted through > several system upgrades. > > Thanks, > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > X4U mailing list > X4U@listserver.themacintoshguy.com > http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/mailman/listinfo/x4u > > Listmom is trying to clean out his closets! Vintage Mac and random > stuff: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmacguy1984 From allan at nhbungalow.com Mon Jul 9 11:56:52 2007 From: allan at nhbungalow.com (Allan Rube=?ISO-8859-1?B?uSA=?=) Date: Mon Jul 9 11:57:05 2007 Subject: [X4U] Browser problem with a site In-Reply-To: <78BC3914-C816-468B-B17C-6126A0E1974A@mac.com> Message-ID: I am a photographer who likes to visit several sites. One is dpreview. Up until a week or so ago I had no problem. Then the owner did something and I cannot access the site from Firefox, Safari, or IE. The site is www.dpreview.com/ I get a time out error. When I go to a subforum, nikon